💥 LC300 V LC200: Australia's TOUGHEST 4X4 TOURERS tested!!
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- Опубліковано 2 бер 2024
- RIG COMPARISON, TOWING TEST & DRAG RACE!! Let's talk about it - there's been A LOT of controversy around the new 300 Series LandCruiser, especially when it comes to the V6 engine.
All 4 Adventure's Jase is one of the few people IN THE ENTIRE WORLD who has had pushed both 4WD's to their limits, in some of the harshest Aussie outback conditions. Will AUSTRALIA AGREE with Jase's final verdict? Watch to find out...
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The bigger wheels are known to suck power as the load/rev ratios are considerably de-optomised. You effectively reduce the rev range and are half a gear ratio off optimum pretty much all the time. A diff ratio change is required to carry out a fair comparrison (or put the 200 back onto 33"wheels.)
All that flys out the window when you see Ronny smoking the v8 79 with the 4 banger.
He's blowing engines like h a hooker also.@@Clynikal
I was thinking swap the wheels over and redo the tests, or fit both vehicles with identical wheel and tyre setup. It's hard to see the V8 dusted, but the sound wins every time.
Yep, that's 2 advancements in vehicles over the previous V8's.
New V6 300 eats up the V8 200.
2.8 4 cylinder 70 eats up V8 70.
In both cases engines are more advanced, but upgrade to 10 speed auto in 300 and addition of 6 speed auto to 70 would be primary difference.
Both new models putting V8's in the past, historical beasts.
The 4 banger is really showing up how poultry the V8 was in the 70's, but I knew it was poor from owning one. The old 2.5 Triton went better than my V8.
@@Clynikaldifferent tyre size
Should get Jesse to roll em see which one holds up best
33 v 35. Not a real comparison.
The 200 has 2 more cylinders though .... is that fair ?
If you want to compare 6 vs 8 all other variables must be the same
@@roocrew86 there are plenty of videos comparing the 200 to the 300 in base form and the 300 wins everytime.... I know people have a soft spot for the 200 as do I but facts are facts and facts don't care about our feelings
@@jonathonms4906 agree facts don't care about feelings that's why 33 vs 35 isn't a real comparison. The fact is the title of the video is LC300 V LC200
Sounds like your feelings are getting in the way of facts
i'd be interested to see 1 last test. chuck the 35's on the 300 and the 33's on the 200 and run the hill test again.
Well that would just be unfair.
@@Paradoxical124 just like this test is unfair for the 200 series
Simon's Dmax goes everywhere, these show pony's go. Even towing a jayco caravan still kept up. Less than half the price too.
Test again with both on 33’s .. 35” kill the 200’s performance.
The 10 speed auto makes a huge difference with ratios. Engine doesn't have to bog down in revs so much.
Give these boys some slack, no one has modified and documented a 300 as much as these boys... The 200 is pushing big power, the 300 has potential to produce more power per cc purely because of the 300 cylinder head design.. Look how laid back the intake and exhaust valves are on the V6 vs the V8.. It's a 3cyl Yamaha yaris looking head on The diesel. Its all about the flame front in the combustion chamber.
Agree. Different diff ratio, tyres makes a hell of a difference.
Bs test. Put the 200 on 33’s and test again or put the 300 on 35’s and test again!
you need to compare with same size tyres
2" makes a huge difference, especially if the 33s are ATs and the 35s are MTs. Also building up the boost on the 300 it's like cheating, the race sound have been done from idle. Finally I'd like to see the rigs out on a scale to get some concrete weight numbers as built.
best show ever but i would go with the v8 anyday anytime
I’ve owned a 200 long term and test driven the 300. It’s a superior gearbox in the 300, but you’ve hobbled the 200 for on road performance by running it with 35’s.
Jason that was awesome I loved the knowledge I didn't know, also loved four-wheel drive doughnuts how awesome🤣
I was recently Towing a 2ton trailer with a 4-cylinder 2.0L turbo diesel Captiva, it was maxing out at 110 km flat, I thought there was something wrong with the engine I went up the really long steep Hill on the Capricorn Highway just before Blackwater and it dropped back to 80km along the steep Hill, also had high temperature's when constantly flat to the floor at 110 & had to keep dropping back to 100km and wait for the temperature to drop, that was extreme heat coming from the gearbox area through the floor, at least I know this is normal now for the Car to struggle towing heavy weight and have high temperature's when flat for 4 hours straight.
Jas That was a very interesting episode, thank you for the knowledge I love listening to to you you know your stuff and know how to tell the story and information correctly could listen to you all day everyday man good one cool dude.🤙👍👍
Hi Jase, love your show but curious as to how the torque test comparison if you switched the larger rims from the 200 to the 300?
I dont get the point of people doing these head to head battles but they have dufferent tire sizes lol. Its just a mute point and the whole experiment means nothing.
Put the 200 on 33s or put the 300 on 35's, go get them both tuned and do it all again. I would expect the 300 to still win due to the gearbox but for such a big debut show, you would think they could get these basic things right.
We need a review of all the cars in the All 4 Adventure fleet.
without even watching your video i will say this...the Last Man Standing will not be the 300 series! The V8 is detuned and will last a hell of a lot longer than the over tuned 300 series v6 engine blasting its guts out trying to put out the sort of performance it needs to in order to beat the V8. There is no denying that and at the end of the day, 8 cylinders is going to outlast 6 doing the same amount of work and that is what makes the 200 series a far better proposition.
This is also why 79 series toyotas are so popular for touring...the engine (as you know is identical to the 200 series minus the twin turbo) is bullet proof and so bloody reliable...these v8's will be running years after the v6's have shit themselves!
Should compare both on either 33's or 35's too as running the v6 on 33's makes a big difference in acceleration over the other car on 35's (even with the V8)
Im know im being critical, but that aside...i love your show and watch it regularly.
Did you miss the part where his V8 blew up with only 40k on it?
lol, should have watched the video.
Awesome to see you rockin the late 40's to mid 50's beard Jase!!!!
Yesterday on CarSales - I saw a chopped and canopy built 300 with most of the "fruit" for sale for $278K - that is unreal?!. You could build a Zombie Apocalypse NPS for the same but it is much bigger, tows more, and has twice the GVM etc......And can hold 6 people etc. I am retiring soon, and I am gonna build a NPS dual cab rig, my budget is 220K - that includes 1kw+ 48v Safiery solar, a Rainman desalination unit, and be able to be 100% off -grid ANYWHERE for as long as we want. Plus going to carry a tinny on top with 30HP and a fold down console, plus 2 x UBCO bikes. And we will also tow a boat. Love the 200/300/79, but for the price - a NPS is 10 times better and cheaper!!!!!. Only benefit of the latter Toyota cars is they can negotiate the tough narrow extreme trails better, and also the diesel costs are a bit less.
Nps. all the way.but they definitely didn’t do a fair comparison as usual.
Some people are probably more interested in a comparison showing the difference between the 2 cars with same tyres no modifications pulling the same weight min 3 T to 3.5 T. Anyone can modify a car and results with enough money. Try using what most people would use for a true comparison. We would truly like the see a fair comparison that isn't skewed either way.
Well that was skewed. Clearly you're trying to show the 300 is better for sponsorship reasons... do it again on 33s for both and I bet they will be far closer.
I'd have either if you gave me one but for my money the V8 and that lovely sound it makes just sold it to me when I built my troopy, which I'll never sell (so much so that I bought a new crate motor, pump, injectors sitting in the garage along side my sporty). My daily is a Grand Cherokee, which I love driving and despite the bad press it gets has been very reliable, now with 300Kkm. Am thinking about a new Lexus 550 with the 3.4tt V6 as my new daily tho.
Jason ever talk to Rodney from wholesale Auto they specialise in Automatics and lockups
Would be cool to do a wheel swap and carry it out again or same size tyres as 35s are a killer for power
For most families with kids using the bench seat in the rear, the 300 has a transmission hump which effectively makes it a 4 seater. The flat floor on the 200 plus the significantly extra legroom and near flat floor can accommodate 5 adults a lot more comfortably.
The 200 Series wagon can even fit two 40 litre refrigerators with the 3rd row seats in use. Zero chance of doing that in the 300 Series, so where did all that interior space go?
If you want to install a roofrack, the 200 Series is way superior in terms of maximum roof loading capacity.
The 300 Series has a more flexible gearbox with the extra 4 forward gears. If this gearbox can be fitted to a 200 Series, it would be simply awesome.
Would jmax be able to fit a rear winch on the 300 series??
Well my 80 series went from 33 to 35 and haven’t noticed a huge amount of power change , it’s a little slower but it’s also had a new rebuilt motor in it during the tyre change and it wasn’t properly tuned unlike the last motor was 🤷🏻♂️
Those just autos tunes running 38psi in the 300. Wait and see how long that 300 last.
Bingo
What’s the torque of both?
with the 200 you need to get at trans tune as well as a engine tune, the hill out of the Adelaide hills is so steep and long, our 200 pulled 3.5 ton up at 110km/h all the way, and its only making 280hp at the wheels.
Do you run extra fuel filters & catch cans??
Beer keg fridge is an interesting idea. Isn't it all foam by the time you pull up to camp? I would think an easy track would shake that keg up too much.
Dose the digital dash have any glitches?
need to test them with the same size tyres
Jase: The 200 is pretty “stock”….except for the 35 changes…
I've gone from a tuned 2020 200 to a GR sport 300 and yeah the 300 kills it "everywhere" saying that the tyre difference on your test would make a fair bit of difference. I've done 33's to 35's and noticed big drop in performance.
interesting to see a non launch control and the 200 on 33's. probably not much difference but would be interesting to see. But the 300 is a nice truck.
Hey Jace. Jason here from WA. Check out ABC. The government has just stopped access to horizontal falls near Broome. Fased out by 2026 and 2028 respectively. You need to get back up there for one epic final onslaught.
Hi Jase, whats the peak boost difference between to 200 and 300??
200 is running 25-28 psi and 300 is running 38-40 psi
you are so lucky to get Toyota LC 200 diesel's we cant have them in the U.S. ,we cant have a LC 300 ...we do get the Lexus LX600 but its more of a rodeo dr to the posh resort car park , do like the dual cab ute conversion
🤣 a comparison and you couldn't throw the same rims and tyres on both cars?
Cannot beat the V8 sound but the torque and power of the V6 uncredible
Its got a lot to do with more gears especially when towing, that why semi's have lots of gears. Back in the day some cars only had 3 gears, nowadays it's a lot more.
What is the weight difference between the 200 and the 300?
A few glaring differences shown in the testing.
1st. Clearly the 300 has better gearing through the transmission.
2nd. Tyre size advantages the 300.
And thirdly,
What is the weight difference between the 2?
I got both 200 and 300 on 33s. 300 still smacks the 200 even on same tyres. No comparison. The technology/gearbox is what it is. I used to get in the 300 and have that voice in my head say "but it is not a V8". A year later, the voices in my head have gone, and I prefer driving the 300. Still have the 200 as well though. It is the one I pick for the overgrown tracks.
hey ben, whats the peak boost difference between the 200 and 300?
Definitely need same size tyres for a fairer comparison. Either both 35’s or both 33’s. is well known the difference even a 1 inch tyre increase can make on any car.
Notice he tells the h/p figures but does'nt mention what the torque figures of both cars are , that would be interesting to know
Wow😲
I don't not pick that .
Can you do more tests like that.
U may have changed my mind about the 300.
But the best test will be the toyota Tacoma?????
Put 35's on the 300, then do it again please
Did I miss the weigh bridge comparison?
I mean, run them both on 33”, remove a lot of weight from the 200, (60l of fuel, extended chassis etc makes a difference), then have another go.
Chances are the 300 still takes it, but by a much closer margin.
WHAT about the NM
Two good lookin, comfortable, powerful and incredibly capable vehicles. But I’m not trading in my FTE 100 series for either of them. Plus I couldn’t afford to 👍🏼
Fj for the win Pat,final answer! 😆 FJ80COOP was here..
The tundra does have the towing options built in
Do it again with the same size tyres on both vehicles. Please 😂
The 300 has more power and torque, a 10 speed auto instead of a 6 speed, launch control and "33s it stands to reason it will be quicker at the same weight. 6 or 8 cylinders is a mute point here.
But the V8 sounds soooo much better!! 😊.
Put a 6 cylinder Barra in that 200 and then you will have a fair comparison as so many old Toyota owners are now doing with Australian muscle and towing capacity? There is no roof loading capacity published on the 300 to hold a roof top tent because the structural stenght has been compromised.
Well written and produced for the 300 and Toyota.
There is no comparison at all.
It’s a shame that the obvious wasn’t highlighted more.
1. Transmission. 10 speed Vs 6 speed.
2. Power
3. Torque
4. Tyre size
5. Overall Weight
Love the 300 but it’s the 200 series every day of the week.
At around 19:35, you can hear the engine knocking a couple of times. 😂😂
The keg of beer wins in my eyes🍻🍻
Why did nt they just put some 33” tyres on the 200 ?
How does it compare to the 2.8 70 Series?
I don't think it will overly change the result but I think you're understimating how much of a difference the tyre size makes. Run 33s on both and it'll be much closer
You lost me as soon as you said 33s and 35s it’s just a waste of time comparing the two together unless you put the two on the same tyres and both over the weigh bridge- do a fair comparison not a one sided comparison.
Loves how he says "pretty much stock..." Lol😂
do a test with both 200 vs 300 with 35,s on both utes
Come off it 33's 35's even it up and do a real comparison
Toyota, falling down on its knees, hands up and shouting, "Thank you All 4 adventure" 😂
The gearbox is way better in the 300. Not just tyre diameter, 4 extra gear ratios, and more torque.
Those new trucks are so hi tech that a single dunking,or any computer related issue could leave it stranded in the middle of nowhere.. I prefer simpler vehicles that can be worked on in the field or limped back in worst case scenarios..
Compare the upside down chev with these to see which one slides faster
Jesus that written off Chevy aged you a bit mate
Swap wheels and try again for a fair comparison !
They tyre difference make it too compromised to be able to do a full comparison. A dyno test would tell us more
get that stewie guy some more screen time 😍
See if you can put the gear box from the 300 into the 200
Love how he keeps saying “other than that completely stock” after he has just finished up telling us the 200 ways it isn’t stock.
Why would you use launch control ! Obvious advantage
G'day, Having drived a V6 Diseasel for about 12 years now I am not serprised as to this result.
You got rid of the best towing and heavy use vehicles on the planet, your F250, you would hit 160km up that hill, hard to advertise as the toughest tourers, they are both mid range at best.
Why the heck do Queenslanders fall to keep left unless overtaking?!
Yeah yeah yeah still v8 every day
Nice toyota add
The day the haul trucks go to a smaller motor to pull big loads is the day I would look at a highly strung v6 .
200 is also a heavier car
Not a true comparison
Come on mate, you were a proud GU owner once, it did most thing at a 1/8 of the cost of those fancy toyo's.
What about 79 series Lang cruiser
It's 4 cylinder variant eats it unfortunately in other tests.
6speed trans vs 10speed transmission
Really need to put them both on 33’s to be fair and you forgot to mention fuel efficiency when towing that’s what people are interested in. Everyone knows the v8 will sound better.
Both of them on the recall list
Huh?
Yeah, get Jesse to test them on the Creb track in the wet, and let's see how they pull up next to the Chev lol (sorry Jesse but how safe are they in comparison), , loving the Silverback look Jase and not the ducking lawn again blahahahaha understand where you're coming from now let's get on the road and go fishing. pleaseeeeeeee cheers Irena
Come on Jase. You know better then this. This wasn't a real world test. 35s v 33s. Make them both even with tyre sizes and weights and test again.
Put the 10 speed behind the v8.
Very good episode
Cool
Tyres make a huge difference
Sorry Jase, 300 wave the hands 320 HP. 300 may be 301 HP is a wave of the hands, 20 HP is a bit deal and a lot of money to get. One can spend $1000s to gain 20 HP not a vague maybe mate.
This is null and void with 2 inch difference in tires. No doubt the 300 is a weapon but why do a test where you're handicapping the older vehicle haha
Started to watch this and thought, those 2 vehicles collectively worth more than my house. So I am not worthy.
Anyone else wanting to test their rig on this hill?
It's between Eumundi and Cooroy on the Bruce.
$10.000 prize to the first person that can tell me how many times this bloke says the word OK in this clip😂😂