The BIGGEST LANDCRUISER 300 SERIES TOWING TEST EVER COMPLETED! Is It Any Good?
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- Опубліковано 21 лют 2022
- Following the towing test Reuben did testing the Landcruiser 200 Series vs Nissan Y62 (link for this video is below), Reuben is back putting the new Landcruiser 300 Series Sahara to the test!
Is the new 300 Series any good for towing? Is the 300 Series Landcruiser better than a 200 Series Landcruiser for towing? Tune in to find out!
If you would like to watch the Landcruiser 200 Series vs Nissan Y62 Towing comparison, you can watch that video here: • V8 Y62 Patrol vs Landc... - Авто та транспорт
One other comment if I may - I went from a LC100 V8 to the new 300 GR-S. The 100 pulled the van like it wasn't there, but I noticed that the 300 was more susceptible to the "tail-wagging-the-dog" thing. I think it's to do with the fact that the V6 engine is about 100Kg lighter than the big V8 was, and although we have a bull bar on the front (as we did with the V8 too), that lighter front end makes the car more sensitive to the van motion. The solution? I put air bags in the rear coils of the 300 just for leveling up, but the biggest improvement came when we installed an Oz Glide on the draw bar of the van. Incredible the difference that made. It decouples the van motion from the car. Best buck for buck money we spent on the whole setup. I have no affiliation with Oz Glide, just one of the many very happy users. They're made here in Queensland, too, on the Sunny Coast.
That was EPIC! love the van getting sideways in the rear vision mirror! glad your not towing my van though mate haha! this is a real life towing test! love your work!
Love the driving mate. Not just giving up.
Appreciate someone actually trying
Cheers for watching Darren.
Dam that y62 just makes me want one looks so good can’t wait to see u take that out on the tracks
Big t, you're not going to like this but we just beat one up real bad. . . there's going to be a video released this week with the damage details 😬
A bloody good honest opinion at the end, well done guys.
Cheers Brett! Thanks for watching :)
Great ad for the Y62, sounds great!
It sure does!
This is the best bit of content I've seen in ages! Love the Y62 recovery!
Cheers Josh.
Glad you liked it!
Time to fill the tank! - something Shauno should remember :D
Awesome to see you have a channel , Ruben! Wish you all the best!
Cheers mate! Thanks for watching.
Great video Reuben and an epic tow test.
I have been following the new 300 since launch and would love to own one, though as you said, it is certainly on the pricey side, even for the base model.
I have never owned a 4WD, though I have taken the 300 Sahara for a test drive and was super impressed with the power on tap and delivery through the 10 speed auto. It really surprised me with the get up and go, certainly nothing like other diesel cars I have ridden in. I love what you guys do at DMW and the adventures you have with Shaun and the boy's. One day I look forward to bringing in a 300 series Cruiser for you to work your magic and give it the full DMW treatment.
Love your work and keep the videos flowing. 👍👍
Thank you Jordan. Cheers for watching :)
Dam that patrol is hard
Well done big fella! Love to see a repeat with the GR Sport. Cheers
Another honest review, well done Ruben. 👍
Cheers Dazza. Thanks for watching :)
Mate you are a classic love it great testing for the 300 but I want that y62 hands down think I will have to get me one of them
Go for it!
Ruben, you are an entertaining madman!
Please don’t change👍
Cheers Rodney!
Loved every minute of it 👌
Great review man and bring on that beast of a 62 hahah
Thanks Jamie!
Just look at headrests in the backseats when he is taking about the bumps looks like a serious vibration going true the vehicle
Very good, honest and practical review!
Thank you Daniel :)
Great review, I have a GXL on order and can't wait to see what you guy's can help with for GVM, GCM and possibly even BTC upgrade.. keep the info flowing..👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks Paul. Lots to come on this car for sure. Congrats on the purchase.
Hi Reuben, just seen the 4wd 24/7 video where you rolled your 79. Scary moment indeed!
Hi Mate, I have driven a 2014 and 2018 200 series for the last 8 years and just taken delivery of my new 300. The real difference with my experience and yours are mine have all been GX spec.
The fist one was kept std with a little ARB protection gear on it only. The 2018 one we did the GVM upgrade with Old man emu remote shocks, bigger wheels and lots of protection gear.
It drove and performed so much better than the first one and towed our 3.4 tonne van so we’ll, without the need to use the stabilisers.
Coming from these to the GX 300 is like a game changer, it actually has buttons on the steering wheel 😋.
I love it and the drive is so much better, as you know there is no approved GVM upgrade available right now, but I’m told there will be very soon.
I really enjoyed your towing test video and being a Toyota man, I think money for value at the GX level, now that Toyota have put some fruit on it, it is much better that the Y62 in so many ways and worth a good look before spending over $100k. David.
I’ll never get sick of thaw view either, I love that area.
It would be interesting to see things like the 2021+ Isuzu MUX, Ssangyong Rexton, etc doing minor tow tests or 4x4 tests. - all of which offer 4x4 & locking rear diffs among other things.
Coming to this vid after the 4wd247 episode...and the intro got me like not again Rueben.
LOL
when are you guys gonna do a rundown of the y62
Very soon Tom. We just have a couple of things in front of it, but over the coming month I would it would happen. :)
100% agree about the lane assist, its dangerous how much they can grab, I drove a hire vehicle along the Strzelecki into outback qld and missing road kill was painful. Definitely think if people need this feature they shouldn't be on the road
missus just brought a new Mazda the safety shitt is like wtf. if you can't drive don't buy a f#=$ing car. let alone a 4x4
You buy a car as expensive as the 300, then you have to buy a new suspension for it. Top stuff!!
Thats with any Toyota the case.
Wow, a ZX on stock tyres and road suspension doing so much!!? No wonder my friend is obsessed with his GR-S if a lower spec can do so much. Lovely content mate. Might have to agree this car is an improvement, taking into account it is stock and its potential if tuned, oh my oh my! Might have to look out one for myself...
Thank you very much @AnyPointOfVision :)
What’s the exhaust on the y62?
I love the way your not worried about getting things scratched bent or dirty so good to see the real world tests you do that y62 is just an absolute beast
🤤 imagine a harrop turbo and 5 inch snorkel on it
You do the best tow test videos mate. Keep up the good work. By the way,have you finished Greames y62 yet. Would love to see a video on that. Cheers
Thanks mate. Cheers for watching. Yes, Graham has his 62 now. I think a video comes out this week from him on his new car.
@@dirtymuddyweekends Thank you
Thank Fck I ordered a Y62. Arrives June and saved $30k. Yes we test drove the 300, we done 7 kms and took it back.
It is a good car. Congratulations on the purchase.
Biggest mistake you have ever made
Great video. Traded my S5 Y62 for a 300. It’s miles nicer as a daily drive, I love it so far. I feel like the suspension is too soft though and have some Bilstein BP60 on the way. And you are right about the lane keep assist, turn it off generally.
bet it dont sound like a 62
@@Alank63 thank goodness for that!...especially the y62 sound of the fuel cap being undone every 500k..lol
@@robyncrighton1255 the 200 uses more fuel and the cost of diesel you can have your Toyota.
great review Reuben, all the Toyota boys will want one, just like when the 200 was released over the 100 series, takes a while to us old diehards to adjust
G'day Rolly. I think you are correct. It happens with each evolution of vehicle.
Great review Rubin.
I found the 300 very noisy in the cab. My big concern is the inter coolers and the position. To use 1 of these as a tourer it would be imperative to have frontal collision protection.
I am a 62 lover however.
Thank you Vaughan.
You can't compare the 300 torque with the Y62.
The 300 doesn't get enough torque until the twin turbos cut in.
We're as the Y62 is almost instant.
The Nissan has more advantages in many ways manner and forms.
LOL
Cheers
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I feel the ride being rough will have not been helped by the 20 inch rims. Thanks for the review. It would have been very difficult to bag out the tyres, with such low profile tyres too. You're right about the GR suspension. Chalk & Cheese. So much more comfortable than the lesser models. :)
I think you may be right Robyn. It would not have helped at least.
And 265 tires 200 has 285
I bet Grahams gonna love this!
as if anyone in their wright mind would tow a van in that sh#t with a stock car with the Mrs blowing up in your ear.Great review.Im tossing up between the 200,300 & Y62.I apreciate your honesty.Seems like there is still a significant outlay to get the 300 to be comfortable off road.
Much prefer the cruise control stalk over the steering wheel buttons. You don’t have to look at the controls to operate, The stalk is the most ergonomic and intuitive system of any car
Totally agree 👍
Would like to see the new Defender 110 D300 do the same test. Love ya work.
Cheers Marty. :)
Good video mate. Must be the 20inch wheels that make it rough on dirt roads.
You could be right MrDonny.
Seriously considering trading my 200 series on a RAM2500 for another big lap better GVM and GCM. The 300 series cost plus GVM upgrade cost is getting expensive and I still have to compromise on weight.
Do not let size define the end of your plastics, really I want to emphasize the fact that although the weight says this but it still is a lot of plastic weight.
Patrol to the rescue !!!
This new engine is an overall better design than the previous 4.5 I'm sure. Mated to the 10 speed it makes for an awesome drivetrain. It's the rest of the vehicle that I don't like at all personnally. Patrol all the way !
@666 Dual Sport Paul Maric test dit and got 13.5 l/100 kms. It's also better at towing. But it isn't as good at having you losing $10'000 for the whole injector ramp 😂
It's fine to stick to the diesel, I own one, but not that one.
@666 Dual Sport Sorry I was talking about the 4.5, maybe I should've been more precise. Impressive torque but bad engine overall (for Toyota).
The new 3.3, while extremely complex, should be much better but hey, that's a new generation.
@666 Dual Sport Lucky you, I wish I could afford one of these...
13.5 was in normal conditions.
@@jean-louishamid5285 Toyota sooks only have the one comeback, fuel economy 🤣Like people who buy a Y62 did not even think to check what they use before they brought one🙄 They just don't get it, better to leave them be in their ignorance and chest pumping 😂
@666 Dual Sport yeah mate you stick with your diesel since now unleaded it's like 20 cents cheaper than diesel funny that, and I have a stock standard Y62 series 5 and Highway driving I get 11.7 l per 100
I’ve always treated and thought lane keep assist is always for the straight motorways in case you start to drift off. To stop alert you that you should probably have a break as you’re starting to either micro sleep or lose attention. Anywhere else it’s useless.
Watching that y62 recover those Toyota’s made my day.
LOL
definitely getting the Y62, the 300 Prado lookalike is a soccer dad car, already have a Prado, trading the 2008 petrol 200 for a y62 obviously with cash adjustment 😂
Couple of things about your hitching-up procedure though. On my GR Sport, it wouldn't let me back up to the drawbar - until I turned off the rear park brake assist function that's designed to stop you backing into a wall or another car in the car park. Button near the right knee solved that one. Second, although you crossed your chains, they're pretty slack so probably wouldn't hold the nose of the van up if the tow hitch came undone, as you rightly say. Looks like they're a few links too long, to me. And lastly - you left one wire dangling - looked like the cable for the rear camera on the caravan. We have the Safety Dave on the back of our van, and that cable is essential if you want to see who's directly behind the van, rather than waiting for a bend in the road so the towing mirrors might get a glimpse of them. Speaking of towing mirrors - where are they?
Hey mate great video.
Can you please do a 79 series tow test? Something like mits one.
1-100 of your viewers would be able to afford a 300 series. 2012 79 series are going for say 50k I’ve seen a lot of people buying these to tow there caravans because that’s in the price range. I myself have one too but you make a great video and would love to hear your thoughts on them and watch it in towing action.
Who can drag their 79 on the canopy no problem? Looking forward to the damage report.
Great advert for the y62 lol seems like everyone is keen on jumping over to the 300 because it's new and shiny toy lol. I'd be happy to stick with the 200 it's been around a while and the parts and R&D have been done.
It is an excellent vehicle Andy. :)
🤘Awesome work Reuben, looks like one of those magic microfibre cloths need to be bought out to clean the mud off 😅Y62 prob used 25 liters pulling ya up the hill !! 300 looks like Top Stuff..
Thanks Chris 👍
Toyota moved the camera centrally - thank god! ESC just like ABS, nup. The real test for this new car is to go to central Australia and tow the van in 48 deg heat to check the heat soak of the hot V design. Would have been good to hook up a scan gauge to check transmission temps - ie does it lock or continue to fluff about.
That would be a good test to Greg, no doubt about it. See how good the coolers work. Unfortunately we can't spare the time to head out to central Australia for this test. Have you seen this shown anywhere yet? I would love to check it out.
Is the rear chassis of LC300 same to LC200 ??? The question is can I fit Bring towbar from LC 200 on LC300 ???
Waiting for your response
Thanks
Disappointing to see tojo only offering the kdss on the GR when it works so well, my current 200 has it and it's awesome what it does for the handling.
I have ordered a GR sport.
Not sure if I will sell my 200 VX. Such a good thing.
what was the towball down weight in this test and by how much did the tow ball height drop with the weight of the van connected?
I will be interested I. How you bypass the electronic front suspension on the ZX
Nice Vid. thanks. Any idea what the van puts on the towball. As in ball weight. Thanks.
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Would be awesome if you could put chapters in for each element. Curious to know fuel consumption but I don’t have time to watch it all.
Thanks Mike. Appreciate the feedback. :)
Mate, you should’ve tried to use the crawl control system the car has
3:40 i can say for sure i have never left it up as none of my hitch's have the latch thing to hold it up.
Thanks for the test, very interesting. I have a LC200(last model before DPF). I have done 235,000 faultless Km. Not a squeak, rattle leak or anything else. Just what I expect from a Toyota. I tow a 19' 6" van that was also towed previously by my 120 series Prado. Until recently I used stabiliser bars on the cruiser/van combo. I found that the 185kg load on the towball left the nose of the cruiser pointing a little bit skyward. You could clearly see it when you hooked up the van. I ended up putting ARB shocks(not the ones with the remote reservoirs) and springs all round(200kg I believe). Made a world of difference to the standard setup when towing. I could get rid of those bloody stabiliser setup on the van. Yippeee! However, for me, the the ride when not towing has degraded. It is a more harsh ride and maybe a fraction noisier(but I have no proof of that). Off roading is definitely better now, but I don't do a lot of off-roading anyway, so it is not such a loss.
But it is a trade off I am prepared to accept I am prepared to accept because it tows beautifully now. It was good before too but I had to hookup that stabiliser setup each time I connected to the van. When you think about it, 200kw out of a 4.5L V8 engine is pretty ordinary, but the torque which come in so low(not like the Y62) is excellent. A solution is perhaps to get it reprogrammed and an exhaust, but for most upping the power of your donk is not the reason you buy a Toyota. You buy a Toyota because after you've done your 300, 400, 500.000 km and it has been looked after(serviced) there is a real good chance it will be still running fine. Just look at all the 80 series you still see running around all over the shop(and of course out on the trails). I live on the edge of the victorian high plains and the things are everywhere(not run down shit heaps, but good looking capable vehicles). As I'm sure everybody knows they came on the scene in 1990. Holy shit 33ish years ago!
I expect to get that out of mine. All while still being a very capable vehicle on and OFF road. Thanks for the great video
You are right, there is always a trade off. And 100% agree on why Toyota is still very popular. You just can't deny its track record for reliability and longevity. Thanks for sharing mate, we appreciate your time. Cheers!
A 200 absolutely needs a lift and proper shocks, also for the ground clearance.
You can't beat the Y62, best overall package...
It is an excellent vehicle. No doubt about that.
Did anyone notice the van is leaning backwards, The 300’s surpsension is amazing
Hi mate, I’m getting a VX in the next few months does it come with the wires pre installed?
With normal road tyres, those slick conditions and a heavy caravan on the back, I thought the Land Cruiser 300 did well to get as far as it did! Most full-size SUVs or 4x4s these days have impressive performance. Some seem to be better than others at certain things, but they are all really very impressive in my opinion. I respect brand loyalty, but I personally prefer to choose a vehicle that best suits my particular needs and is available in the market that I am in (Japan). That would automatically rule out the Patrol as Nissan in their wisdom, have decided not to sell the Patrol (aka Safari as it was called here) since about 20 years ago. Loved this video!
Thanks Andrew! 👍
Have driven both the 200 series & 300 series (albeit a GR Sport) - I think the ride and handling is streets ahead in the 300 Series.
Much smoother & better planted than the 200.
Ordered a new 300 GR sport as my next vehicle so time will tell -- the long wait begins....
Cheers for the feedback Mark. It is good to hear other peoples thoughts between the two models.
I test drove the Sahara the other day and thought it seemed too firm on road. It seemed to feel every bump, and the engine seemed to always be in a lower gear - I was so surprised by this. It made me question if it’s for me. I do like a lot of the updates though.
Best to test it out more before you decide, g ride. :)
Love the comment from Glen Toyota recovery mode 😜😜
LOL
Was this stock suspension off the showroom floor? Did you have just airbags in?
At the end of the day, The Patrol still saved you...therefore, the Patrol is the ONE to buy...period!
That's a bit simplistic point of view. That patrol is a bult weapon not a stock factory car on 20s and road tyres in mud.
A good test. Just curious re weights. 45:39 Is your van a 3500gvm or 3000? Once you chop it are you going to do a gvm upgrade? Love to see you go through that side of towing with weights and accidents on the news. Cheers.
Yes, GVM upgrade is usually included in our conversion package. Cheers!
Will be interested to see how the 300 comes out once all the mods become available.
When you say "not as good as 200 series or Y62" I would argue that if those were better stock there wouldn't have been so much of a need to modify them.
Will be very interested to see a comparison of 300 and 200 and Y62 once they're all running upgraded suspension, 33s, chassis extension and properly run in.
Nobody likes change, and for those who truly love the 200 or Y62, any change would be mostly unwelcome. When this becomes the new standard the 400 series will be criticized, just as the 200 was in its early days.
Looking forward to seeing more
Totally agree the LC 300 will be a cult car
Y62 is great stock. no mods needed. what mods do you think it needs?
@@kerryottley8116 headlights😁
@@happyjibbi OK will paid that one. Lol
Ruben the crossing chain nag has it's effect after the break , the caravan broke and the chain starts. the caravan goes to left the metal has break point and the behavior changesThe crossed and broken metal gets puled opposite way Tadaaa.
i think
That patrol is unstoppable!
Can you get your hands on a GR Sport and run it over the same conditions👍.
So you’ve paid what, $130k for a tow vehicle and you still need you upgrade the suspension?
I know the LC300 is a beast but do people really factor in the suspension upgrades and dual cab conversations, What is the total cost of GVM upgrade and chop to add in canopy ?
Weren't you testing in a Sahara ZX? Doesn't that have air suspension? You mention it was going in the shop for suspension upgrade, what did you upgrade it to? I wasn't aware you could change anything on the ZX.
You can check out some of our videos for the 300, Phil.
Can you do Toyota Land Cruiser LC300 vs Nissan Patrol 2023
I have waited a year to make this comment, having owned three 200 series prior and now the ZX. To say your videos are informative , honest and entertaining is an understatement, just love how you say it as it is regardless, all the good and the bad. Having said that, I have owned a ZX now for a year and reflect on your thoughts to improve my vehicle to the point that it is better than the 200 in all areas, not just a few. The big thing I would have liked you to have touched on during that test and given your thoughts on, was the adaptive variable suspension the ZX actually has which is totally different to the Sahara. You totally dismissed that important feature of the car which would have given a different opinion of the outcome I could assume at the end. You have the option to choose anything from Eco, Comfort, Normal, sports, and Sports plus, which when dialled in, totally changes the damping and comfort levels as you drive. Not only does it change the dampening of the car, it also changes the throttle response as well, giving a more spritely and responsive throttle performance. The difference between modes as quite noticeable and if you would have changed the suspension settings to comfort over the rougher surfaces, I would have loved to have heard your thoughts, however you didn't even touch on that ability of the vehicle, I'm just assuming you wasn't aware of that feature at the time. You Have to also think that the ZX has a Rear torque-sensing Limited Slip Differential (LSD) which I would assume assisted you during your faster driving on slippery surfaces as well, so the difference between that and even the GR-Sports would have been vastly different given that it's set-up with front and rear diff locks with an open diff which is a disadvantage on the GR-Sport when driving on the black top particularly on slippery and rough surfaces. Thanks for the informative and insight to the ZX, it was very entertaining and honest. Good luck with the Chop, and looking forward to the improvements you make in the future. Keep it up, love it.
Thanks for all those input. Those are all great points. This 300 has been chopped and built already and since have lots of modifications and upgrades done. Perhaps Reuben can make a follow up review on it soon. Thanks again for sharing that @peterwiles189 , we appreciate it. :) Cheers!
Love the sound of the Y62
How much weight does a bull bar, decent winch and adequate tow bar add to the GVM to pull a 3+ tonne trailer.
It would add around 120kgs Brian. Tow bar is integrated into the chassis.
Took a 300 for a test drive and find it a little bouncy over bumps
Will choose Y62 anyway and anyday
Greetings from south africa 🇿🇦 😀
Gday Ruben , what model 300 are you running ?
Does this vehicle come with a tow haul mode?
Great show well done
Alot of information yes it would've been fun out there
Cheers Damien. The day certainly was not planned how it turned out that is for sure!
Diff locks and mud chains will always get you out of any situation. ALWAYS use this system never fails.
Doesn't help much if the car has bellied out in mud
Where is the downhill engine braking test down Toowoomba range??
Do you think the toughness of the ride on the dirt was anything to do with those 20 inch wheels? It would have been a factor for sure.
Could be but there are a lot of other factors that affects the ride, Liam.
Still don’t understand why 200 and especially 300 LC owners worry about fuel economy considering the stupid money they pay for those vehicles in the first place!!! They have to have more dollars than $ence.
I think it is just good to know how much fuel you use for the range of the tank. Especially if towing and remote.
Very interesting test. But like all the 300 series towing tests I have seen nobody has used any towing mirrors, how can that be legal ? I have a GXL on order arriving soon hopefully.
I’ve noticed that too - no one is using towing mirrors. Did you get your GXL - what’s it like without towing mirrors? Cheers.
@@wr1451 I'm using Milenco Aero very good easy to put on and take off once set-up.
@@eddiecooper1981 thanks for replying. Much appreciated. I was looking at the Milencos - haven’t got the 300 yet - still waiting. Unfortunately with the repositioning of the mirrors from the 200 series I think it’s unlikely that Clearview or MSA are going to be able to provide an option. Cheers
Hey Reuben if all three vehicles cost the exact same then what one would you pick?
Tough question!
04:30 crossed chains in a legal requirement - they form a 'basket; in case of hitch or receiver failure.
why no towing mirrors??
I am really confused by this review in regards to the handling aspects - 200 Series is a wallowing boat compared to a 300 series . I really liked the two times I have driven the 300 - it's really moved things forward in particular regarding the suspension (both drives passive- i.e. GXL and VX). I think that you are comparing very modified 200 series cruisers vs what comes out of the showroom. It may not be deliberate, maybe subconscious.... Haven't driven the Y62 but both cruisers are not close to the Discovery 4 for handling and steering feel (except for the all important reliability yes I know). I am waiting for the new Everest to be reviewed as I think that the 300 series is very over priced and the Everest has grown in all dimensions (1st March launch).
We kept a Sahara 200 Series stock standard for a very long time and put plenty of miles on it. We felt that drove quite good to be honest.
Hi , I currently own one of the last GXL 2021 LC200 with just 7000klm on the clock: With 6000klms towing a 2.7ton van. Recently I was lucky to have a loan of a Sahara 300 for 24 hours. What annoys me is that out of all the LC300 reviews I have read and seen on UA-cam, nobody comments on how noisey the new V6 motor is . It became evident as soon as I started driving. I have completed my own in cab comparison noise test under full load and acceleration with the engines getting to 4000rpm. The 200 came in at 80DCB and the 300 at 90DCB. A significant difference if you know how sound measurement works.With a ten speed gear box the engine will always be revving harder and higher and I found noise level unacceptable for a Sahara. Not to mention the bonnet shaking around on suburban roads. Please try this test for yourself with standard exhaust systems. The 300 is a good vehicle however If I Had the opportunity to clean swap vehicles, definitely no, The 200 would still be my pick hands down .
i found that i cant stop getting traveling cramps and have to pull over for a pull its the vibration of the engine nearly rubbed the skin of it.
What happened to your reatview mirrors a legal requirement inmmost states ,even if you have a rear view camera .
YOU SHOULD KNOW THE TRAILER WEIGHT AND LC 300 WEIGHT AND WHAT KIND OF TIRES
U even said u got canned by not crossing ya chains , now no emergency trailer brake hooked up , I understand it's tuff making a show but it's a must always thing too do expesily when thousands off eyes watching 🤣
I did hook the brake away up. What you see that isn’t hooked up is wiring for a camera that’s located at the rear of the van.
Whats the feeling about AutoexpertTV pooh poohing pulling a large caravan like this with a 200/300 or Y62 and absolutely caning using any ute...prefers a truck for the job. It seems to me he has a point. Tail wagging the dog and all that.