The biggest issue is everything entry level involves customer service. Also the pay sucks so you have to work 40 hours. We need jobs without customer service that pay enough to survive with part time work.
Sadly I can relate to this. *sighs* I wouldn't disclose because it was hard enough getting a fair shake with vision issues too. The last time I tried to apply to a regular job, the interviewer noticed my vision issue (which would not have effected my ability to do this job - I had left a job I had for two years on my own and they actually wanted me to stay!) and immediately said: "Oh! You have a vision issue...." and that was before she asked me a single question. Needless to say, the interview was basically over before it began. This is why I don't disclose. I've been in both situations....where I've disclosed and where I've not disclosed...and typically I've had better luck at getting a job when they there isn't an issue. Then after I'm employed....THEN I disclose and let them know everything they need to...but yeah it's rough out there. Best of luck to everyone.
I've struggled so much because I have always felt like I don't get respect and understanding from colleagues or employers in my life. I have recently discovered autism and I am resonating with it, so I have only started my diagnostic process but I am very certain that I am autistic. I may also have ADHD but I am not as familiar with it so I can't be sure yet. I've felt miserable in every single job that I've had because people can be so cold and treat you like shit. It's like they assume that every person uses their brain in the exact same way and when someone is different they blame that person for not doing things fast enough, not get stressed out or exhausted because they have way to high expectations and don't want you to complain about unacceptable behaviour. I agree with you that it is very frustrating!
I have adhd and I’m hearing impaired. I’m 47 and I’ve given up on getting a job. So it’s very traumatizing and I quit. I’m angry at God for making me this way. Just too hard to communicate with others and deal with boredom.
I empathize completely, Todd. I'm just gonna grind hard skills myself and find myself a living through that. If that doesn't work out, I think I'll give up...
I hear you. I’m not sure what your religion on spirituality is, but the God I believe in name is Yaweh. He spoke himself into humanity aka (Yeshua/Lord Jesus). He is near to the outcast and broken hearted. Though it seems that society rejects us, God listens.
It might make you happy to know God oversees lucifer and God arranges that lucifer gets a cut by getting all the ableists to join him in real spiritual hell for eternity. Our sufferings are temporary but our heavenly rewards are eternal! Their suffering is not temporary it is forever! God never gives us more than we can endure but we do suffer a lot, in part because God cries too and arranges lucifer getting what he wants: those no good SOBs who lie about and abuse us just for being different in a conformist world. Eternal suffering in hell makes highly scrumptious tender meat for the cannibalistic devil who I would say is eating good.
I have adhd, autism and a number of other issues. I'm about to turn 35 and been underemployed my entire life. F*** autism and society for not giving people like us a chance.
I've been going through this job seeking / interviewing, and then not getting the job for almost 2+ years now. If i do catch a lucky break, I can't keep it for more than 3 months. I have all the required abilities and much more - but I just can't keep to any deadlines. which makes interviews so much more difficult: having to explain so often how you got fired at your last few jobs because you can't deliver on time, and my ex-supervisors also stated poor communication as a reason.
Have you tried therapy? I would but government here doesn’t offer therapy in our ‘free’ healthcare system and no charities including churches do either (I’ve been trying for years to get religious counselling as a Christian but no one bites even when I volunteered for a church and attended every Sabbath taking 2 buses there one way): they all take bribes and are ableist scum. Alternatively you should try a completely different profession than one involving deadlines. How about the navy? No deadlines you just monitor switches and gauges. Best of luck to you.
My masking and fear of homelessness keeps my employed. But i only tend to get jobs where i can skip the interview. My autism shows in interviews and i see the interviewer lose respect for me and then i get the wonderful rejection email. But somehow it's worked for me. Im so afraid of interviews that i see leaving my job as a non option so i can typically keep a job for a few years at a time
My IQ was tested in the top 10 percentile yet I have never had a "real" job. I have autism, adhd, ocd, selective mutism, anxiety and depression, the list goes on and on.
You are not alone. We threaten supervisors and PhDs who are jealous of our superior knowledge and approach to problems despite having lower education status and barely even trying.
I was a long term unemployed (2.5) neurodivergent. I have both ADHD and autism. I was actively looking for jobs, and at times gave up. I don’t disclose disability. I just try and mask. I’m glad that you are strong to understand it’s not your fault. I didn’t understand that. I thought I was just an idiot and worthless. In some ways, despite being employed still do. The thing that supported me was my family. I am working full time and trying to save to get my own place. I’m 36. I’m old.
You’re not old you’re just older my friend. You have a lot of years ahead of you. I’m 47 myself and, though I’m middle aged, I’m still a young with a lot years ahead. Things were I would like them to be but my finances have improved some and working on improving them even more. So don’t give I’m pulling for you you’re right where you are supposed don’t compare yourself to anyone.
Oh ya, I’ve been discriminated at almost all jobs and college I’ve been too. If employers would be more patient and work with me maybe things would work out.
Hi Allie, Thanks for sharing your thoughts. The other side of the coin is ... Directors of companies (at least in the UK) are legally obliged to do what is best for the share-holders (owners), and these pressures naturally filter down through the company. If an employee has the option to hire two people, they will probably go for the one that they believe will fulfill the role better. As aspies, I think we are often not very good at making a good first impression, so we will often lose out on opportunities. It would be wrong (in my opinion) for companies to have to give a certain quota of jobs to aspies (or any disabled group) as this could be taking a job away from a neurotypical who also has financial needs. It may be that aspies need more help to learn how to start their own enterprise (how ever small this may be) and to do what they can with that. For example, you are seeing if you can get anything with your merchandise ... whether you do or not, it will hopefully be a good experience for you :)
Neurotypicals have plenty of job opportunities while disabled and autistic people don't. They need help and support to get into work, and to stay in work.
Us disabled people have things to offer. I know fully well the first people to get ‘nice’ jobs at ‘nice’ companies had an in, like their parents who knew someone in upper brass who were owed a favor. I knew I would have got an entry-level marketing job if I dyed my hair blonde and had a $8 Starbucks drink in my hand but I was brunette and didn’t have the right ‘look’ for a guy who wanted a pretty young thing to spend 8 hrs a day with. Employers don’t do half of what their investors expect! Ableism is a human rights violation and should and cannot be hand-waived away due to ‘profits’. I think a human rights lawsuit is quite expensive and most investors would agree with me; as are disabled people living all their lives on the dole and never improving and gaining independence due to employers lying to investors saying we can’t do x or y when we can, and better than ‘healthy’ folks, with a nicer attitude than anyone else seems to have on top of that. Society needs to figure it out…
I have a possible answer for the main question. I believe employers who sense you may have a hidden power may be scared of being taken over by you. If I apply the same logic to my own life, then I should create my own independent economy. I am not going to use term “underground economy” because some may think it is about illegal things. As for another reason why many autistics are unemployed, it is because their way of thinking and behaving is something neurotypical people can’t understand. Plus some employers still believe ASD are disabilities and not just neuro diversity. It is unacceptable. Homosexuals and other LGBT people had to undergo the same treatment (no pun intended by the way) during job interviews decades ago. I need to emphasize, for simple-minded people, that there is no relationship between Autism and sexual orientation. But both are a way of being, resulting from a different neurological wiring and way of thinking. Therefore it can neither be changed nor cured. No one should try such things. If many if not all conversion therapists turn out to be repressed LGBT people, the same applies for psychiatrists trying to cure Autism. People who aren’t concerned by an issue generally are not affected and don’t care. Those who care see an issue as a problem they couldn’t accept themselves, often because their family have carried over prejudices for generations and generations. The one that wrote the Bible could have never accepted their own difference if there was one. If you grew up in a environment where you were never told something was right or wrong, you would just be yourself
I'm just loving your channel. I was recently diagnosed with Autism (I am 22 yo) and now I'm in a road of self rediscovering. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, you are helping me a lot!! Now you have a new follower from Brazil ✨
@@CarlJdP I thought it was suggesting in the video that neurodivergent is a diability? But often it takes neurotypical people a long time to get used to a job - paid work is tough!
Surely the question is why are neurodiverse people unable to adapt their ways to fit into jobs? Many jobs are not easy for neurotypival people to get used to, it is not all roses for them either - everyone has to adapt.
Uhhhh. The reason why an autistic person can't adapt as well as a neurological person is because the are ...Autistic. the traits of autism that makes daily life require a different strategy don't just go away at a job. If someone has meltdowns, guess what, they don't stop at work. If someone has time blindness, guess what? It doesn't disappear at work. If someone has sensory issues where they can't stand the sound of paper, guess what? That's right Bartholomew, it doesn't disappear at work. You said that it's not easy for neurotypicals which is true, now you're asking why someone with a trait that is considered a disability would have a less than average ability to adapt as well as someone without that, idk, seems like a question that answers itself. I'm saying this as an autistic person who can hold a job for years at a time. I don't look down on autistic people who can't do it because I know what that feels like. Even if I'm not in the same boat.
The biggest issue is everything entry level involves customer service. Also the pay sucks so you have to work 40 hours. We need jobs without customer service that pay enough to survive with part time work.
Yes indeed 😊
Sadly I can relate to this. *sighs* I wouldn't disclose because it was hard enough getting a fair shake with vision issues too. The last time I tried to apply to a regular job, the interviewer noticed my vision issue (which would not have effected my ability to do this job - I had left a job I had for two years on my own and they actually wanted me to stay!) and immediately said: "Oh! You have a vision issue...." and that was before she asked me a single question. Needless to say, the interview was basically over before it began. This is why I don't disclose. I've been in both situations....where I've disclosed and where I've not disclosed...and typically I've had better luck at getting a job when they there isn't an issue. Then after I'm employed....THEN I disclose and let them know everything they need to...but yeah it's rough out there. Best of luck to everyone.
I've struggled so much because I have always felt like I don't get respect and understanding from colleagues or employers in my life. I have recently discovered autism and I am resonating with it, so I have only started my diagnostic process but I am very certain that I am autistic. I may also have ADHD but I am not as familiar with it so I can't be sure yet. I've felt miserable in every single job that I've had because people can be so cold and treat you like shit. It's like they assume that every person uses their brain in the exact same way and when someone is different they blame that person for not doing things fast enough, not get stressed out or exhausted because they have way to high expectations and don't want you to complain about unacceptable behaviour. I agree with you that it is very frustrating!
I have adhd and I’m hearing impaired. I’m 47 and I’ve given up on getting a job. So it’s very traumatizing and I quit. I’m angry at God for making me this way. Just too hard to communicate with others and deal with boredom.
@Nihilist Atheist What does gurl mean?
I empathize completely, Todd. I'm just gonna grind hard skills myself and find myself a living through that. If that doesn't work out, I think I'll give up...
I hear you. I’m not sure what your religion on spirituality is, but the God I believe in name is Yaweh. He spoke himself into humanity aka (Yeshua/Lord Jesus). He is near to the outcast and broken hearted. Though it seems that society rejects us, God listens.
It might make you happy to know God oversees lucifer and God arranges that lucifer gets a cut by getting all the ableists to join him in real spiritual hell for eternity. Our sufferings are temporary but our heavenly rewards are eternal! Their suffering is not temporary it is forever! God never gives us more than we can endure but we do suffer a lot, in part because God cries too and arranges lucifer getting what he wants: those no good SOBs who lie about and abuse us just for being different in a conformist world. Eternal suffering in hell makes highly scrumptious tender meat for the cannibalistic devil who I would say is eating good.
I have adhd, autism and a number of other issues. I'm about to turn 35 and been underemployed my entire life. F*** autism and society for not giving people like us a chance.
I've been going through this job seeking / interviewing, and then not getting the job for almost 2+ years now. If i do catch a lucky break, I can't keep it for more than 3 months. I have all the required abilities and much more - but I just can't keep to any deadlines. which makes interviews so much more difficult: having to explain so often how you got fired at your last few jobs because you can't deliver on time, and my ex-supervisors also stated poor communication as a reason.
Have you tried therapy? I would but government here doesn’t offer therapy in our ‘free’ healthcare system and no charities including churches do either (I’ve been trying for years to get religious counselling as a Christian but no one bites even when I volunteered for a church and attended every Sabbath taking 2 buses there one way): they all take bribes and are ableist scum. Alternatively you should try a completely different profession than one involving deadlines. How about the navy? No deadlines you just monitor switches and gauges. Best of luck to you.
My masking and fear of homelessness keeps my employed. But i only tend to get jobs where i can skip the interview. My autism shows in interviews and i see the interviewer lose respect for me and then i get the wonderful rejection email. But somehow it's worked for me. Im so afraid of interviews that i see leaving my job as a non option so i can typically keep a job for a few years at a time
My IQ was tested in the top 10 percentile yet I have never had a "real" job. I have autism, adhd, ocd, selective mutism, anxiety and depression, the list goes on and on.
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You are not alone. We threaten supervisors and PhDs who are jealous of our superior knowledge and approach to problems despite having lower education status and barely even trying.
Ouch
I was a long term unemployed (2.5) neurodivergent. I have both ADHD and autism. I was actively looking for jobs, and at times gave up. I don’t disclose disability. I just try and mask. I’m glad that you are strong to understand it’s not your fault. I didn’t understand that. I thought I was just an idiot and worthless. In some ways, despite being employed still do. The thing that supported me was my family.
I am working full time and trying to save to get my own place. I’m 36. I’m old.
You’re not old you’re just older my friend. You have a lot of years ahead of you. I’m 47 myself and, though I’m middle aged, I’m still a young with a lot years ahead. Things were I would like them to be but my finances have improved some and working on improving them even more. So don’t give I’m pulling for you you’re right where you are supposed don’t compare yourself to anyone.
Oh ya, I’ve been discriminated at almost all jobs and college I’ve been too. If employers would be more patient and work with me maybe things would work out.
ADHD and very much feeling this similar situation
Yes😊
Hi Allie, Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
The other side of the coin is ... Directors of companies (at least in the UK) are legally obliged to do what is best for the share-holders (owners), and these pressures naturally filter down through the company. If an employee has the option to hire two people, they will probably go for the one that they believe will fulfill the role better. As aspies, I think we are often not very good at making a good first impression, so we will often lose out on opportunities.
It would be wrong (in my opinion) for companies to have to give a certain quota of jobs to aspies (or any disabled group) as this could be taking a job away from a neurotypical who also has financial needs.
It may be that aspies need more help to learn how to start their own enterprise (how ever small this may be) and to do what they can with that. For example, you are seeing if you can get anything with your merchandise ... whether you do or not, it will hopefully be a good experience for you :)
Neurotypicals have plenty of job opportunities while disabled and autistic people don't. They need help and support to get into work, and to stay in work.
Us disabled people have things to offer. I know fully well the first people to get ‘nice’ jobs at ‘nice’ companies had an in, like their parents who knew someone in upper brass who were owed a favor. I knew I would have got an entry-level marketing job if I dyed my hair blonde and had a $8 Starbucks drink in my hand but I was brunette and didn’t have the right ‘look’ for a guy who wanted a pretty young thing to spend 8 hrs a day with. Employers don’t do half of what their investors expect! Ableism is a human rights violation and should and cannot be hand-waived away due to ‘profits’. I think a human rights lawsuit is quite expensive and most investors would agree with me; as are disabled people living all their lives on the dole and never improving and gaining independence due to employers lying to investors saying we can’t do x or y when we can, and better than ‘healthy’ folks, with a nicer attitude than anyone else seems to have on top of that. Society needs to figure it out…
(We have the same glasses) also mood, this is my current struggle.
I have a possible answer for the main question. I believe employers who sense you may have a hidden power may be scared of being taken over by you. If I apply the same logic to my own life, then I should create my own independent economy. I am not going to use term “underground economy” because some may think it is about illegal things.
As for another reason why many autistics are unemployed, it is because their way of thinking and behaving is something neurotypical people can’t understand. Plus some employers still believe ASD are disabilities and not just neuro diversity. It is unacceptable. Homosexuals and other LGBT people had to undergo the same treatment (no pun intended by the way) during job interviews decades ago. I need to emphasize, for simple-minded people, that there is no relationship between Autism and sexual orientation. But both are a way of being, resulting from a different neurological wiring and way of thinking. Therefore it can neither be changed nor cured. No one should try such things. If many if not all conversion therapists turn out to be repressed LGBT people, the same applies for psychiatrists trying to cure Autism. People who aren’t concerned by an issue generally are not affected and don’t care. Those who care see an issue as a problem they couldn’t accept themselves, often because their family have carried over prejudices for generations and generations. The one that wrote the Bible could have never accepted their own difference if there was one. If you grew up in a environment where you were never told something was right or wrong, you would just be yourself
I'm just loving your channel. I was recently diagnosed with Autism (I am 22 yo) and now I'm in a road of self rediscovering.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, you are helping me a lot!!
Now you have a new follower from Brazil ✨
Same 4 me🎉
👍🏿
Tough question that, guess its different answer in every country maybe 🤔
Are you suggesting that being Neurodivergent is a disability? I have alos heard that it is a developmental problem.
No, I think it's mostly neurotypical society that see neurodiversity as a disability - just because we are not like them.
@@CarlJdP I thought it was suggesting in the video that neurodivergent is a diability? But often it takes neurotypical people a long time to get used to a job - paid work is tough!
For me it is
Good Morning Allie!
Surely the question is why are neurodiverse people unable to adapt their ways to fit into jobs? Many jobs are not easy for neurotypival people to get used to, it is not all roses for them either - everyone has to adapt.
Uhhhh. The reason why an autistic person can't adapt as well as a neurological person is because the are ...Autistic. the traits of autism that makes daily life require a different strategy don't just go away at a job. If someone has meltdowns, guess what, they don't stop at work. If someone has time blindness, guess what? It doesn't disappear at work. If someone has sensory issues where they can't stand the sound of paper, guess what? That's right Bartholomew, it doesn't disappear at work. You said that it's not easy for neurotypicals which is true, now you're asking why someone with a trait that is considered a disability would have a less than average ability to adapt as well as someone without that, idk, seems like a question that answers itself.
I'm saying this as an autistic person who can hold a job for years at a time. I don't look down on autistic people who can't do it because I know what that feels like. Even if I'm not in the same boat.
Because it’s not their ways through choice .