Max Glide DIstance for the F-104 is 61 NM, with flaps up glide at 275 kts IAS. Best glide speed is 245 IAS for the F-104, which is supersonic above 50,000 ft. (Zero wind, Straight line glide, engine windmilling or frozen, no external stores or tip tanks only, Gear up, RAT extended, Flaps T/O). Best, André
I remember reading an article about the F-104 in "True" magazine back in the late '50s or very early '60s. One of the test pilots actually did a dead stick landing in an F-104!
Reminds me of the cartoons made to advise F-104 pilots ‘Snake Sez’. For Deadstick landing it is; Minimum 245 KIAS Plus 5 for the kids Plus 5 for the wife Plus 5 for my life Makes 260 KIAS The last point is the best; On FO landings nurse your speed lovingly, because if you don’t, you will not love anything else!
Good choice of the Nevada map where real tests are done. There is nobody to be harmed in the desert, best place to test a dead stick landing. Cough... cough... Good job though :)
I'm a noob to installing packages not provided by Eagle Dynamics. I tried to install the F104 and it's not working. Can you link to a document giving the step by step procedure, please?
There are instructions on the F-104 discord, and a good video made by Grim Reapers 3 weeks ago (should be one of the top vidoes when you search for "F-104 EFM Grim Reapers")
You may want to join the Discord group. It is very friendly and helpful. You can try this: open the zip file (= do not unzip it) and drag and drop the F-104 folder into the saved game folder. Unzipping and then cut and paste did not work. Please also check if there is a bin folder in the zip file / after placing the F-104 folder into the correct folder (saved games and not the main DCS folder): C:\Users\your user name\Saved Games\DCS\Mods\aircraft Happy flying!
Very nice landing! I find it difficult to make the approach path such that I am at the right altitude and the right direction and a good airspeed. I guess my aircraft sometimes survives mainly because simulators are a bit more forgiving when it comes to super high speed landings.
Not knowing the best glide speed, glide distance, loss of altitude per 1000 feet, winds, approach speed without stalling (with no BLC), its still a challenge. Putting it on the white marks, is even more of a challenge.
True, I've been in a life/death unexpected situation for real, and its interesting. First thing is the disbelief, I read before about how first few seconds are critical and I actually told myself out loud "its happening, deal with" it in the first 2 seconds. After that I fell back on training and my mind was clear, with a raised heartbeat. After I got out of it and landed is when it hits you and you start shaking...then its just a funny story we laughed about, lol. I lost my vacuum system in IMC (clouds) solid 5K layer, so lost my attitude indicator and heading indicator. The failure of instruments is slow so you can get yourself in trouble before you realize you have a problem. Getting disoriented in clouds is easy even with all the instruments, without the artificial horizon and heading indicator, its deadly even for IFR rated pilots, something like 50/50. Something called partial panel flying. I caught it early thankfully. Funniest fact was it happened (a while ago) in an airplane (Piper Archer III N181RJ) Angelina Jolie used for her pilot training.
Totally unrealistic. Without the blown flaps from bleed air off the engine this plane drops like a rock on approach. You aren't going to dead stick it to the runway. If this was anywhere close to accurate you would be a burn mark short of the threshold.
There were several occasions when F-104 G and S were landed on seized engines. It's a pilot aircraft totally unforgiving and it's not an easy task, but it can be, and has been done.
Don't you just love it when you discover that what you think you know is quickly debunked by ACTUAL FACTS? There have been numerous successful deadstick landings of F-104s. If the plane could not be landed safely under engine out conditions, the USAF would have rejected it as unsafe and Lockheed would never have produced it.
Max Glide DIstance for the F-104 is 61 NM, with flaps up glide at 275 kts IAS. Best glide speed is 245 IAS for the F-104, which is supersonic above 50,000 ft. (Zero wind, Straight line glide, engine windmilling or frozen, no external stores or tip tanks only, Gear up, RAT extended, Flaps T/O). Best, André
I remember reading an article about the F-104 in "True" magazine back in the late '50s or very early '60s. One of the test pilots actually did a dead stick landing in an F-104!
Crew chief; "Don't forget to shut it down."
GVad; "Not a problem."
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Reminds me of the cartoons made to advise F-104 pilots ‘Snake Sez’.
For Deadstick landing it is;
Minimum 245 KIAS
Plus 5 for the kids
Plus 5 for the wife
Plus 5 for my life
Makes 260 KIAS
The last point is the best;
On FO landings nurse your speed lovingly, because if you don’t, you will not love anything else!
Misheard your voice then, thought you said "Death stick landing"... Death Stick would be a pretty cool nickname for 104
something actually called death stick ua-cam.com/video/BEpr2T_gKYw/v-deo.html
Nice energy management! Descent profile looks kinda like the space shuttle! :D
Good choice of the Nevada map where real tests are done. There is nobody to be harmed in the desert, best place to test a dead stick landing. Cough... cough...
Good job though :)
As close as you'll get to perfect,
That was a commercial pilot check ride landing. Great job!
Butter 🤙
I'm a noob to installing packages not provided by Eagle Dynamics. I tried to install the F104 and it's not working. Can you link to a document giving the step by step procedure, please?
There are instructions on the F-104 discord, and a good video made by Grim Reapers 3 weeks ago (should be one of the top vidoes when you search for "F-104 EFM Grim Reapers")
You may want to join the Discord group. It is very friendly and helpful.
You can try this: open the zip file (= do not unzip it) and drag and drop the F-104 folder into the saved game folder. Unzipping and then cut and paste did not work.
Please also check if there is a bin folder in the zip file / after placing the F-104 folder into the correct folder (saved games and not the main DCS folder):
C:\Users\your user name\Saved Games\DCS\Mods\aircraft
Happy flying!
Very nice landing! I find it difficult to make the approach path such that I am at the right altitude and the right direction and a good airspeed. I guess my aircraft sometimes survives mainly because simulators are a bit more forgiving when it comes to super high speed landings.
The planes can do it too, not often but many cases where even airliners had to land at 200 kts. Biggest problem is braking.
Thought you were going to come up short, lol. What speed did you land at?
One hellava glider
it only works when you don't know you're gonna have a failiure
Not knowing the best glide speed, glide distance, loss of altitude per 1000 feet, winds, approach speed without stalling (with no BLC), its still a challenge. Putting it on the white marks, is even more of a challenge.
@@FSX404 right but still the adrenaline and planning is different while having an unexpected failiure
True, I've been in a life/death unexpected situation for real, and its interesting. First thing is the disbelief, I read before about how first few seconds are critical and I actually told myself out loud "its happening, deal with" it in the first 2 seconds. After that I fell back on training and my mind was clear, with a raised heartbeat. After I got out of it and landed is when it hits you and you start shaking...then its just a funny story we laughed about, lol.
I lost my vacuum system in IMC (clouds) solid 5K layer, so lost my attitude indicator and heading indicator. The failure of instruments is slow so you can get yourself in trouble before you realize you have a problem. Getting disoriented in clouds is easy even with all the instruments, without the artificial horizon and heading indicator, its deadly even for IFR rated pilots, something like 50/50. Something called partial panel flying. I caught it early thankfully.
Funniest fact was it happened (a while ago) in an airplane (Piper Archer III N181RJ) Angelina Jolie used for her pilot training.
@@FSX404 WOW.
Very, very nicely done!
Totally unrealistic. Without the blown flaps from bleed air off the engine this plane drops like a rock on approach. You aren't going to dead stick it to the runway. If this was anywhere close to accurate you would be a burn mark short of the threshold.
Not true, a Danish pilot landed his F-104 dead stick some 40 years ago.
Lockheed's test pilot Tony Le Vier too
There were several occasions when F-104 G and S were landed on seized engines.
It's a pilot aircraft totally unforgiving and it's not an easy task, but it can be, and has been done.
Don't you just love it when you discover that what you think you know is quickly debunked by ACTUAL FACTS? There have been numerous successful deadstick landings of F-104s. If the plane could not be landed safely under engine out conditions, the USAF would have rejected it as unsafe and Lockheed would never have produced it.
The glide ratio is 1 to 2 just bail out