Whether you believe in it or not, “god bless the homeless vets” really is the perfect sign and shows Jeff’s level of genius when doing audits. It covers so many different avenues of the bill of rights.
It distinguishes Jeff from your typical for-profit enterprise the majority of first Amendment auditors have become. It's why Jeff calls himself a civil rights activist.
Sort of, that is like saying you didn't get food poisoning so you say a restaurant is outstanding, haha..... The cop did get one thing wrong by suggesting if he "wave his sign around" and talk to people about his message that would be a problem, which is obviously rediculous since that is free speech. The officer should have said "as long as you don't physically block or touch anyone or threaten to, this is a free country, I can't stop you from speaking you mind.". I guess the cop gets a pass even with the silly "copsplaining"
@@greenfocusNY " The cop did get one thing wrong by suggesting if he "wave his sign around" and talk to people about his message that would be a problem, which is obviously rediculous since that is free speech." It´s YOU who got something wrong in this case. THe cop didn´t say he might not talk with people about his message but he might not block them or hold the sign right in their face to harrass them.
You're giving the cop too much credit. He KNEW this was Jeff Gray! Had this been a homeless man sitting on the bench, he would have served and protected the HE'LL out of that city ordinance!
This situations need to be taken case by case , and in this particular case we can say the cop did his job in a decent manner. We already see way worst but how many times did we see better that this ? Legit question guys. Not everyone can agree or be happy/mad about the cop interaction , and personaly i hope more and more cops will act like this one in the positive way , i doubt will happen but hope stay.
"I'm willing to challenge that in court, LET'S DO IT!" I just want to let you know that you are my personal hero, hearing you say those words literally gave me goosebumps.
Jeff is what we like to call an unsung hero. Very few will know of him and his actions but millions will and are affected but what Jeff has done over the years.
@@IamFantastic Call the DA before making every arrest? No? Rarely do cops call the DA for civil right clarifications. Fairly sure the only reason they do do it is to cover their asses. Do you think this cop would have acted the same way if the DA told him to arrest Jeff?
In my city they put no soliciting signs at freeway off-ramps but the code only applies to highway rest areas, also no skateboard signs at public School campuses and that code only applies to business districts.
Great Job Jeff, poorly informed and entitled Visitor Center employee and a cop smart enough to contact the city attorney's office before he fuked up. She gets a D- and the cop gets an A-, Remain well SIR !!
C- You're giving the cop too much credit. He KNEW this was Jeff Gray! Had this been a homeless man sitting on the bench, he would have served and protected the HE'LL out of that city ordinance!
The COP gets the same grade as the woman. He said he called the CA to ask what to do. If Jeff had been a stranger, or a homeless person, do you believe the COP would have done that, or do you believe the COP would have arrested Jeff?
Visitor center employees was not poorly informed. They’d obviously gone thru the motions of having that area designated as not a public forum as it would normally be assumed to be. The Supreme Court has held that reasonable time place and manner restrictions may be placed on the expression of individual rights generally protected in the Bill of Rights. You may contest the ruling ir order that designated that area as not a public forum, but you won’t succeed in arguing that you have an absolute right to protest in any and every place you so choose, even in any and every public place you should so choose.
towns/cities/counties/states have been criminalizing homeless population more and more recently. homelessness isn't the problem, it's the RESULT of a problem. hats off to you fir challenging this. america is on a fast track to becoming a third world country. the people and our government LOVED these vets when they served, and have completely abandoned them after many returned home incredibly damaged.
Not only true , but from personal experience like a non american veteran i can tell to everyone that are many third world countrys who treat way better their veterans. I have many direct contacts with Romania , Moldavia , Ucraina and Bulgarian veterans and there don't exist homeless veterans , the military absolutly do not allow something like this to happen ... and think all those 4 countrys put together don't have 1% from american military budget. I am from italy (not a third world country) and even here , we do not allow to have brothers homeless. Respect for all and my blood for my brothers in arms.
Respect that he called him first instead of letting his ego get the best of him. He did the right thing and yall people still talk shit lol please don't ever call the police if you ever get robbed.
This was a good officer. He knew that sign had a bad odor and proactively consulted with the city attorney office. Sounds like he was advised not to enforce it. Good for the attorney's office. A lesser cop would likely go hands on if necessary to enforce it. Thanks for all you do and following up.
That might be one of the smartest cops in the country. He actually did what he should, and wasn't wanting to escalate the situation. Well done officer.
Thank you, Jeff! You and the Philip Turner inspired me to get into this type of civil rights activism. And I love the fact that you highlight the good and the bad out there.
Unlawful sign...this video-with the city lawyers's response to LE query-should be enough to get the sign removed.The fact that you were not trespassed was not officers' discretion; it was the city's abandonment of enforcement. Rock on...
@Ralph H ●● Just remember: (1) Cops are allowed to lie to you, so we only have the cop's "word" that he talked to the assistant city attorney, and (2) Cops DO have some discretion whether to arrest or not - unless it's a felony or something like that.
@@edhartgrove7552 In a trespass issue, I'm not sure they have discretion not to enforce... if the lady said "do it, want him gone", and there is a city ordinance attached, not sure they can deny that. The officer, if gentle, would probably get QI, but the city would be sued up, down, and sideways.
@@white6502 In totality, I agree. But with that unconstitutional sign with the unconstitutional ordinance # on it... a city representative could (in theory) tell the cop to enforce their dictate to have Jeff trespassed... and I'm saying if she did that, the cop would have to comply. Again, big suit afterward, but complainant, insistence, and ordinance = no real option for the cop. (Who seemed nice, and would be protected but the city sure wouldn't be)
Very stupid. These people just don't get it. There are no constitution free zones. That's how is done law enforcement, just be nice, treat people with respect, and do your do diligence. Honoring your oath should be easy, defending it is the hard part.
Congratulations to the cop for doing his due diligence when he was unsure and calling the attorney. Great job officer. Thank you for upholding your oath to the constitution.
The problem with a sign like that is selective enforcement. It's there to intimidate people who can't afford to fight it. For someone like you they don't enforce it do you don't have standing to sue to take it down.
Yea, while you could file suit before they enforce it on you all they (ruling body) have to do is revoke the law. Then the court rules it moot and dismisses, allowing them to later redo the law, when no one is looking. Getting arrested or otherwise violated, due to the law, means you have been harmed by its enforcement, and they can't just nolle prosequi and say no harm was done. If your compelled to give up your info so they can cite you, or otherwise remove you from an area against your will then the harm is done. So you retain standing for the suit even if they revoke the law. Thereby forcing the court to review the legality of the law in the 1st place.
It is indeed disgusting that the city will SELECTIVELY enforce with harsh punitive measures, including arrest and imprisonments, an unconstitutional city policy. Thank you Jeff for your kind sacrifices in behalf of us all!!! I’m going to donate to your work. Thank you.
👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 I watch a lot of auditing videos. But you are a True Patriot.. straight to the point and stated your mission statement.. until you're not in it for the glory or money you're in it for really protecting the American Rights. And this is coming from a old school Veteran🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I luved your line "I'm Their Huckleberry" - oh, yeah and a great cop. i didnt know it was about the damage being done to our homeless. (let's adjust "the homeless" to "Our Homeless")
Jeff you are my favorite auditor, your style, focus and follow-thru are impressive...thank you for standing up for those who cannot stand up for themselves...👊
@@falseprophet1024 even in traditional public forums, cities are allowed to regulate the time, place, and manner of speech in some ways (such as limiting noise), any such regulations must be reasonable and cannot be based on the content of the speech
@@falseprophet1024 United States v Grace: “Sidewalks, of course, are among those areas of public property that traditionally have been held open to the public for expressive activities, and are clearly within those areas of public property that may be considered, generally without further inquiry, to be public forum property. In this respect, the present case differs from Greer v. Spock, supra. In Greer, the streets and sidewalks at issue were located within an enclosed military reservation, Fort Dix, N.J., and were thus separated from the streets and sidewalks of any municipality. That is not true of the sidewalks surrounding the Court. There is no separation, no fence, and no indication whatever to persons stepping from the street to the curb and sidewalks that serve as the perimeter of the Court grounds that they have entered some special type of enclave. In United States Postal Service v. Greenburgh Civic Assns., 453 U. S. 114, 453 U. S. 133 (1981), we stated that "Congress . . . may not, by its own ipse dixit, destroy the public forum' status of streets and parks which have historically been public forums. . . ." The inclusion of the public sidewalks within the scope of § 13k's prohibition, however, results in the destruction of public forum status that is at least presumptively impermissible. Traditional public forum property occupies a special position in terms of First Amendment protection, and will not lose its historically recognized character for the reason that it abuts government property that has been dedicated to a use other than as a forum for public expression. Nor may the government transform the character of the property by the expedient of including it within the statutory definition of what might be considered a nonpublic forum parcel of property. The public sidewalks forming the perimeter of the Supreme Court grounds, in our view, are public forums, and should be treated as such for First Amendment purposes. However, see United States v Kokinda: “The postal sidewalk is not a traditional public forum. The fact that the sidewalk resembles the municipal sidewalk across the parking lot from the post office is irrelevant to forum analysis. See Greer v. Spock, 424 U. S. 828. The sidewalk was constructed solely to provide for the passage of individuals engaged in postal business, not as a public passageway. Nor has the Postal Service expressly dedicated its sidewalk to any expressive activity. “
@@valentinius62 definitely not, your probably not going to like this but here I go. I’m not mad at a guy that’s down and out, and really hit rock bottom, and he’s sleeping in his car or on the streets to get on his feet. But in my neighborhood for example you ha e homeless people that are drug addict’s that sit outside the store all day, and they’re the only ones causing trouble. They need to do something more productive, but I guess if they choose to live that way….. (sigh) but don’t make us pay for it….
@@joejoerobinson8724 I agree. There's going to be more crime wherever you have these people living and hanging out. However, I have a problem with the idea of addressing "pre-crime". If a certain individual commits a crime, deal with that case on its own merits. Don't punish everyone else in the associated group. Another issue for me is that if they're on public property, then it becomes a Constitutional question. They shouldn't be allowed to block public sidewalks and thoroughfares, though.
Her mistake was attempting to enforce the city code. If she only knew that all she had to do was tell the cop that she felt uncomfortable I would have gone straight to jail like in Port Wentworth.
....and he did all that because he knew who he was going to be going up against!! In what other situation, anywhere, would the cops call a city attorney first for legal advice, merely for a guy standing on the sidewalk holding a sign. Well done Jeff!!
WOW....a cop who took the time to check with the City Attorney's Office before making a complete fool of himself is a very rare commodity....well done to that officer!!!! God bless Jeff Grey!!!
Please keep doing your audits. You are the best I've seen. I recently heard how this all started for you witnessing from public, school bus drivers not performing their pre trip inspections which are required by both State and Federal law, especially for anyone with a SCHOOL BUS endorsement on their CDL. I hope someday soon that school district reforms itself and reverses its ridiculous trespass notice against you.
You are a master at doing this and i commend you for challenging unlawful and unconstitutional regulations/ordinances. No trespassing at a Visitor Center, such baloney! Glad to see the cop did the right thing. Keep up the great work Jeff!
He shouldn’t have to ASK ANYONE, ABOUT THE JOB HE SWORE AN OATH TO APHOLD THE LAW FOR 😡 IT is a Right, that overrides any ridiculous City ordinance or Policy, and They cannot Tress-pass People going to City Hall, where They have put Public benches! Absolutely deplorable!
I wished I had time to take on the very task you are undertaking. What you are doing is just as important than military service because in my views it backs up what all those that fought and gave their lives for would want. So thank you for keeping people aware of that their rights that the folks that died for are always being slowly and quietly taken away! God bless you and your further endeavors!!!!
You are Awesome! You will even go the extra mile to FOIA the info on Passed Arrests for Trespassing there and then Get the Bodycam Videos of those Arrests. BRILLIANT!!!
As a combat Decorated Viet Nam veteran, I love and respect your consistent work. Luckly I am safe cared for and surronded by a loving family. God Bless our Homeless Veterans! God Bless You Sir!
@@johnswicegood7000 You’re correct about the Huckle Bearer, but in the movie, the two times Val Kilmer said it to Johnny Ringo he said Huckleberry, and it stuck.
This is an awesome video. I love it. Kuddos to Officer Fischer. What an awesome cop. We need more like him. If all cops were like Officer Fischer, first amendment auditing wouldn't be a thing - it would be so boring nobody would watch the videos. The city employee that called the cops? Naw, she needs to find a job in the private sector, instead of trying to impose her will on other people. Hopefully not as an HOA president or anything like that. That sign should be taken down. Disgusting indeed.
You, sir, are a hero. A voice for the voice of oppressed (yes, homeless are oppressed). That officer was a great example of how one should act. He even contacted the city attorney's office so he wouldn't misinform the public.
I have often stopped at Visitors Centers while driving through other states. If I saw a No Trespassing sign, I would think: Well, what an awful way to promote your state. Great job on forcing the issue!
Whether you believe in it or not, “god bless the homeless vets” really is the perfect sign and shows Jeff’s level of genius when doing audits. It covers so many different avenues of the bill of rights.
Well, It's certainly clever...
Exactly. Freedom of speech, religion, assembly, and because he declared he is challenging the no trespassing sign, it is also a redress of government.
It distinguishes Jeff from your typical for-profit enterprise the majority of first Amendment auditors have become. It's why Jeff calls himself a civil rights activist.
It ensures he has a list of successful means to win a lawsuit.
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Let the system that violates you're rights also fund your activism..... makes sense...
This cop was outstanding he did his job, he got informed and didn’t violate anyone’s rights.
Sort of, that is like saying you didn't get food poisoning so you say a restaurant is outstanding, haha..... The cop did get one thing wrong by suggesting if he "wave his sign around" and talk to people about his message that would be a problem, which is obviously rediculous since that is free speech. The officer should have said "as long as you don't physically block or touch anyone or threaten to, this is a free country, I can't stop you from speaking you mind.". I guess the cop gets a pass even with the silly "copsplaining"
@@greenfocusNY " The cop did get one thing wrong by suggesting if he "wave his sign around" and talk to people about his message that would be a problem, which is obviously rediculous since that is free speech."
It´s YOU who got something wrong in this case. THe cop didn´t say he might not talk with people about his message but he might not block them or hold the sign right in their face to harrass them.
You're giving the cop too much credit. He KNEW this was Jeff Gray! Had this been a homeless man sitting on the bench, he would have served and protected the HE'LL out of that city ordinance!
RIGHT!!!!
This situations need to be taken case by case , and in this particular case we can say the cop did his job in a decent manner. We already see way worst but how many times did we see better that this ? Legit question guys. Not everyone can agree or be happy/mad about the cop interaction , and personaly i hope more and more cops will act like this one in the positive way , i doubt will happen but hope stay.
I remember a quote, "A society can be judged by how it treats the most vulnerable amongst them."
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Well it's OK to kill them if you get them before they're born
Yes, Ghandi said that. I love that you remembered this quote. It resonates here.
Visitor's Information Center: Please don't visit us.
"I'm willing to challenge that in court, LET'S DO IT!" I just want to let you know that you are my personal hero, hearing you say those words literally gave me goosebumps.
I know right!!! That's why Jeff is my favorite of all time... And when he gets that attitude, those are the best times...
Jeff is what we like to call an unsung hero. Very few will know of him and his actions but millions will and are affected but what Jeff has done over the years.
Yep, it's great, isn't it?
One of those, “we really care about the homeless, as long as they are not in our city” laws. I admire you willingness for civil disobedience 👍👍👍
That lady is super petty. Shame.
Get ‘em Jeff!
This police officer seems reasonable and respectful.
After he called the DA...
@@Neverod8doreveN yes but isn’t that what he should do.
@@IamFantastic Call the DA before making every arrest? No? Rarely do cops call the DA for civil right clarifications. Fairly sure the only reason they do do it is to cover their asses. Do you think this cop would have acted the same way if the DA told him to arrest Jeff?
As soon as he mentioned Jeff's name to the assistant DA, they knew better and know that that sign has no merits
@@Neverod8doreveN I’m not sure but IMO I think that cop did well. If more cops did call the DA we wouldn’t have all the problems we have now.
So basically the city attorney admitted the sign wasn't legal and told the cop not to enforce it. Great work Jeff.
In my city they put no soliciting signs at freeway off-ramps but the code only applies to highway rest areas, also no skateboard signs at public School campuses and that code only applies to business districts.
Great Job Jeff, poorly informed and entitled Visitor Center employee and a cop smart enough to contact the city attorney's office before he fuked up. She gets a D- and the cop gets an A-, Remain well SIR !!
C- You're giving the cop too much credit. He KNEW this was Jeff Gray! Had this been a homeless man sitting on the bench, he would have served and protected the HE'LL out of that city ordinance!
The COP gets the same grade as the woman. He said he called the CA to ask what to do. If Jeff had been a stranger, or a homeless person, do you believe the COP would have done that, or do you believe the COP would have arrested Jeff?
Visitor center employees was not poorly informed. They’d obviously gone thru the motions of having that area designated as not a public forum as it would normally be assumed to be. The Supreme Court has held that reasonable time place and manner restrictions may be placed on the expression of individual rights generally protected in the Bill of Rights. You may contest the ruling ir order that designated that area as not a public forum, but you won’t succeed in arguing that you have an absolute right to protest in any and every place you so choose, even in any and every public place you should so choose.
The assistant city attorney made a smart move that saved them money.
"I'm willing to challenge that in court. Let's do it." Should be said far more often these days.
Thank you! I would like to see every official that treats the homeless like criminals locked up for their stupid, immoral, evil ways!
towns/cities/counties/states have been criminalizing homeless population more and more recently. homelessness isn't the problem, it's the RESULT of a problem. hats off to you fir challenging this. america is on a fast track to becoming a third world country. the people and our government LOVED these vets when they served, and have completely abandoned them after many returned home incredibly damaged.
Not only true , but from personal experience like a non american veteran i can tell to everyone that are many third world countrys who treat way better their veterans. I have many direct contacts with Romania , Moldavia , Ucraina and Bulgarian veterans and there don't exist homeless veterans , the military absolutly do not allow something like this to happen ... and think all those 4 countrys put together don't have 1% from american military budget.
I am from italy (not a third world country) and even here , we do not allow to have brothers homeless.
Respect for all and my blood for my brothers in arms.
why does everyone say: "Johnny five o is the man!" lets find out...
I was homeless for years and that resolution on that sign is in direct response to not wanting homeless people sleeping there.. I'm sure of it.
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@@roomwithapointofview This would maybe make sense to me if I only knew what "IMF" is ? (In your second sentence)
Good on you Jeff….prepared to give up your liberty to fight for less fortunate people, and their rights👍🏴
Alba gu brath
@@priestley749 I am British really
Och aye the noo.
@@BongEyedBastard It’s a braw bricht moon licht nicht the nicht and yer awe richt ye Ken.
"I called the city attorney" and he told me I'd be dragged into court on the losing end of civil lawsuit if I arrested you.
Unenforceable laws must be removed from the books and the sign must be removed.
Respect that he called him first instead of letting his ego get the best of him. He did the right thing and yall people still talk shit lol please don't ever call the police if you ever get robbed.
@@jonathanwelch809 yeah why would I call someone that won’t do anything in the first place
the sign must go down because the next officer might not be that smart like this one.
She just had to snitch, absolutely had to.
Jeff asked her to do so.
Great officer.Did his homework before he arrived.Need more like this guy.
RIGHT!!!!
Or he realised it was Jeff and didn't want to look like a tyrant
@@brendanmoloney89 yep. The city lawyers don't want none
Jeff's training has served them well. God bless Jeff Gray. Cheers from Canada!!!
Holy cow,you found a polite logical cop! You are the best Jeff.Thanks for your dedication.
A logical cop after talking to the DAs office..
Interesting interaction. The follow up will be worth the wait.
Indeed
That was fantastic! LEO was amazing, if only all LEO’s looked at situations in that light.
Yes. If they were mostly like him, these channels wouldn't exist because few rights would be being violated.
The start was savage. Love it. The officer was top shelf.
This was a good officer. He knew that sign had a bad odor and proactively consulted with the city attorney office. Sounds like he was advised not to enforce it. Good for the attorney's office. A lesser cop would likely go hands on if necessary to enforce it. Thanks for all you do and following up.
I'm from Australia but brother god bless people like you that stick up for others, that can't argue for themselves RESPECT..
That might be one of the smartest cops in the country. He actually did what he should, and wasn't wanting to escalate the situation. Well done officer.
What a change from when you started. Thanks Mr. Grey for your time and effort
Love the architecture of that building. The craftsman that built that are long gone, whereas many get to marvel at their work.
“It is the characteristic of the most stringent censorships that they give credibility to the opinions they attack”-Voltaire
Thank you, Jeff! You and the Philip Turner inspired me to get into this type of civil rights activism. And I love the fact that you highlight the good and the bad out there.
Unlawful sign...this video-with the city lawyers's response to LE query-should be enough to get the sign removed.The fact that you were not trespassed was not officers' discretion; it was the city's abandonment of enforcement. Rock on...
@Ralph H ●● Just remember: (1) Cops are allowed to lie to you, so we only have the cop's "word" that he talked to the assistant city attorney, and (2) Cops DO have some discretion whether to arrest or not - unless it's a felony or something like that.
@@edhartgrove7552 In a trespass issue, I'm not sure they have discretion not to enforce... if the lady said "do it, want him gone", and there is a city ordinance attached, not sure they can deny that. The officer, if gentle, would probably get QI, but the city would be sued up, down, and sideways.
@@cycleboy8028 she has no authority to remove jeff. Hes broken no law and is on public property
@@white6502 In totality, I agree. But with that unconstitutional sign with the unconstitutional ordinance # on it... a city representative could (in theory) tell the cop to enforce their dictate to have Jeff trespassed... and I'm saying if she did that, the cop would have to comply. Again, big suit afterward, but complainant, insistence, and ordinance = no real option for the cop. (Who seemed nice, and would be protected but the city sure wouldn't be)
@@cycleboy8028 an ordinance isn't a law. Police are law enforcement and have a duty to protect the constitution
Very stupid.
These people just don't get it. There are no constitution free zones.
That's how is done law enforcement, just be nice, treat people with respect, and do your do diligence. Honoring your oath should be easy, defending it is the hard part.
If you get slapped with a Patriot Act, you become that zone. :(
I couldn't help but notice that ceiling fan running on the patio in the background for apparently no one.
You found a cop that took the time to educate himself before speaking, it's a start...
Congratulations to the cop for doing his due diligence when he was unsure and calling the attorney. Great job officer. Thank you for upholding your oath to the constitution.
Strictly to harass the weakest of society. Great service you are doing Jeff. 👍💖👍
Jeff you are amazing Sir, nice way to find a cool LEO that knew what to do, kudos to him and that new ADA.
The problem with a sign like that is selective enforcement. It's there to intimidate people who can't afford to fight it. For someone like you they don't enforce it do you don't have standing to sue to take it down.
Yea, while you could file suit before they enforce it on you all they (ruling body) have to do is revoke the law. Then the court rules it moot and dismisses, allowing them to later redo the law, when no one is looking. Getting arrested or otherwise violated, due to the law, means you have been harmed by its enforcement, and they can't just nolle prosequi and say no harm was done. If your compelled to give up your info so they can cite you, or otherwise remove you from an area against your will then the harm is done. So you retain standing for the suit even if they revoke the law. Thereby forcing the court to review the legality of the law in the 1st place.
Should have called the COP on that. "So, what you're saying is that since I'm not homeless, you're not going to enforce that ordinance on me."
Jeff: Call the police. There’s one right there.
Me: 😗
It is indeed disgusting that the city will SELECTIVELY enforce with harsh punitive measures, including arrest and imprisonments, an unconstitutional city policy. Thank you Jeff for your kind sacrifices in behalf of us all!!! I’m going to donate to your work. Thank you.
👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 I watch a lot of auditing videos. But you are a True Patriot.. straight to the point and stated your mission statement.. until you're not in it for the glory or money you're in it for really protecting the American Rights. And this is coming from a old school Veteran🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I luved your line "I'm Their Huckleberry" - oh, yeah and a great cop. i didnt know it was about the damage being done to our homeless. (let's adjust "the homeless" to "Our Homeless")
Excellent journalism!!!!
And excellent cop work!!!
Finaly a good cop u guys in the US need way more of those.
Thank you for caring sir. More people like you are needed all over this world. Take care and stay safe
Keep it up Jeff. Hold them accountable.
He wasn't going to stop...
Jeff you are my favorite auditor, your style, focus and follow-thru are impressive...thank you for standing up for those who cannot stand up for themselves...👊
A sidewalk is a traditional public forum regardless of signs/laws.
Not always
A public sidewalk is always a public forum. Can u give an example where its not?
@@falseprophet1024 sidewalks in army bases
@@falseprophet1024 even in traditional public forums, cities are allowed to regulate the time,
place, and manner of speech in some ways (such as limiting noise), any such regulations must be reasonable
and cannot be based on the content of the speech
@@falseprophet1024
United States v Grace: “Sidewalks, of course, are among those areas of public property that traditionally have been held open to the public for expressive activities, and are clearly within those areas of public property that may be considered, generally without further inquiry, to be public forum property. In this respect, the present case differs from Greer v. Spock, supra. In Greer, the streets and sidewalks at issue were located within an enclosed military reservation, Fort Dix, N.J., and were thus separated from the streets and sidewalks of any municipality. That is not true of the sidewalks surrounding the Court. There is no separation, no fence, and no indication whatever to persons stepping from the street to the curb and sidewalks that serve as the perimeter of the Court grounds that they have entered some special type of enclave. In United States Postal Service v. Greenburgh Civic Assns., 453 U. S. 114, 453 U. S. 133 (1981), we stated that "Congress . . . may not, by its own ipse dixit, destroy the public forum' status of streets and parks which have historically been public forums. . . ." The inclusion of the public sidewalks within the scope of § 13k's prohibition, however, results in the destruction of public forum status that is at least presumptively impermissible. Traditional public forum property occupies a special position in terms of First Amendment protection, and will not lose its historically recognized character for the reason that it abuts government property that has been dedicated to a use other than as a forum for public expression. Nor may the government transform the character of the property by the expedient of including it within the statutory definition of what might be considered a nonpublic forum parcel of property. The public sidewalks forming the perimeter of the Supreme Court grounds, in our view, are public forums, and should be treated as such for First Amendment purposes.
However, see United States v Kokinda:
“The postal sidewalk is not a traditional public forum. The fact that the sidewalk resembles the municipal sidewalk across the parking lot from the post office is irrelevant to forum analysis. See Greer v. Spock, 424 U. S. 828. The sidewalk was constructed solely to provide for the passage of individuals engaged in postal business, not as a public passageway. Nor has the Postal Service expressly dedicated its sidewalk to any expressive activity. “
One of the nicest cops I’ve seen in a long time, Shining example these tyrants can learn from
Yes...but...would he have treated him the same way if he had a sleeping bag and a Winn-Dixie cart full of junk?
@@valentinius62 definitely not, your probably not going to like this but here I go. I’m not mad at a guy that’s down and out, and really hit rock bottom, and he’s sleeping in his car or on the streets to get on his feet. But in my neighborhood for example you ha e homeless people that are drug addict’s that sit outside the store all day, and they’re the only ones causing trouble. They need to do something more productive, but I guess if they choose to live that way….. (sigh) but don’t make us pay for it….
@@joejoerobinson8724 I agree. There's going to be more crime wherever you have these people living and hanging out.
However, I have a problem with the idea of addressing "pre-crime". If a certain individual commits a crime, deal with that case on its own merits. Don't punish everyone else in the associated group.
Another issue for me is that if they're on public property, then it becomes a Constitutional question. They shouldn't be allowed to block public sidewalks and thoroughfares, though.
Just like Doc Holiday said to Johnny Ringo." Im your huckleberry "!
Now that is a cop with experience and knows how to keep his ego in check.. Well done!
She got schooled 😁 That sign should be taken down That's BS
I'm your huckleberry 🤣😂
Awesome Jeff 🔥👍✌️
That cop must be a subscriber! He pretty much had a flawless interaction.
Wow. The city worker gal gets a fail and the cop gets a PASS. Who would have thought it? You go, Jeff. Freedom of speech cannot be caged!
Her mistake was attempting to enforce the city code. If she only knew that all she had to do was tell the cop that she felt uncomfortable I would have gone straight to jail like in Port Wentworth.
....and he did all that because he knew who he was going to be going up against!! In what other situation, anywhere, would the cops call a city attorney first for legal advice, merely for a guy standing on the sidewalk holding a sign. Well done Jeff!!
So glad for your willingness to challenge these things...you are right
I think this was the best cop interaction I've seen on this channel lol
God dam. Why is shit so hard? My man had to contact the city attorney. Appreciate all you do
I always feel good watching your videos Jeff, you are a good man !
That resolution is toothless. And say that someone was trespassed or arrested, they can point to your video and ask, "why the selective enforcement?"
Wow .. he called the attorney first ..amazing 👏
I just love your work. You even challenge me doing what you do here in Germany where I live.
WOW....a cop who took the time to check with the City Attorney's Office before making a complete fool of himself is a very rare commodity....well done to that officer!!!!
God bless Jeff Grey!!!
Please keep doing your audits. You are the best I've seen. I recently heard how this all started for you witnessing from public, school bus drivers not performing their pre trip inspections which are required by both State and Federal law, especially for anyone with a SCHOOL BUS endorsement on their CDL. I hope someday soon that school district reforms itself and reverses its ridiculous trespass notice against you.
You are a master at doing this and i commend you for challenging unlawful and unconstitutional regulations/ordinances. No trespassing at a Visitor Center, such baloney! Glad to see the cop did the right thing. Keep up the great work Jeff!
He shouldn’t have to ASK ANYONE, ABOUT THE JOB HE SWORE AN OATH TO APHOLD THE LAW FOR 😡
IT is a Right, that overrides any ridiculous City ordinance or Policy, and They cannot Tress-pass People going to City Hall, where They have put Public benches!
Absolutely deplorable!
God bless you Jeff!! I just don’t understand people who just can’t mind their own business these days.
Damn.... the words, "LET'S GET READY TO RUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMBLE!!!" come to mind.
Nice one love to see polite auditors that have the courage of their conviction. Let us hope that it never ends up with a conviction.
I wished I had time to take on the very task you are undertaking. What you are doing is just as important than military service because in my views it backs up what all those that fought and gave their lives for would want. So thank you for keeping people aware of that their rights that the folks that died for are always being slowly and quietly taken away! God bless you and your further endeavors!!!!
That sign needs to come down and this officer needs to be commended for this interaction.
You are Awesome! You will even go the extra mile to FOIA the info on Passed Arrests for Trespassing there and then Get the Bodycam Videos of those Arrests. BRILLIANT!!!
A thinking cop. Had the sense to verify the validity of a complaint. A+.
Best responding officer I've seen in a long time
As a combat Decorated Viet Nam veteran, I love and respect your consistent work. Luckly I am safe cared for and surronded by a loving family. God Bless our Homeless Veterans! God Bless You Sir!
Coolest cop. He's like "Do you!"
LOVE this cop! Did his job. Got legal advice before contact. Understands the Constitution. Upheld his oath. Good on him.
That de-escalated quickly.
" i'm your huckleberry" great movie !!
Nice to see another good cop stand with the Constitution! I still wanna see that illegal sign come down though.
Found you through your comment on the Lackluster channel a few hours ago. Subscribed,
You are appreciated sir. Rock on
I'm your huckleberry lol. Go Jeff 👍🏼
Johnny Bravo you look like someone walked on your grave…
It's actually "I'm your Hucklebearer". A huckle is a handle on a casket. In Doc Holliday's time, it was what we call a pallbearer today.
@@johnswicegood7000 You’re correct about the Huckle Bearer, but in the movie, the two times Val Kilmer said it to Johnny Ringo he said Huckleberry, and it stuck.
@@johnswicegood7000 lol thanks
Great job, Jeff. Far better news coverage on your channel than mainstream news.
Thank you for your service God bless the homeless vets
God Bless the Homeless Vets and Jeff Gray. He uses his abilities to challenge the injustices of these cowardly city officials. ✌️🕊
And so officer Fischer arrives, and instantly, he tells you 'ok let's play the game to make them look good ok?' I LIKE officer Fischer!
Selective trespassing! Karma to dirty coward officials
A Beautiful & Spacious Space... A No Camping Sign Would Make More Sense... Lee C.
You make us all better. Thank you for your service.
For all the bad coppers you've had sicked on you Jeff, you deserve a guy like that brother...as rare as they are.
Yeah, the "Public" needs to return to the time the PUBLIC is in charge, not the GOVERNMENT.
Great example of a GOOD COP!!!!!!!
This is an awesome video. I love it.
Kuddos to Officer Fischer. What an awesome cop. We need more like him. If all cops were like Officer Fischer, first amendment auditing wouldn't be a thing - it would be so boring nobody would watch the videos.
The city employee that called the cops? Naw, she needs to find a job in the private sector, instead of trying to impose her will on other people. Hopefully not as an HOA president or anything like that.
That sign should be taken down. Disgusting indeed.
You, sir, are a hero. A voice for the voice of oppressed (yes, homeless are oppressed). That officer was a great example of how one should act. He even contacted the city attorney's office so he wouldn't misinform the public.
So in other words the cops saying he can’t enforce anything it’s just to keep the public off public property if they are unaware of their rights
the cop was a super nice guy, a true credit to his city.
Thanks for sticking up for those who are vulnerable to these types of town folks!!!@!
I have often stopped at Visitors Centers while driving through other states. If I saw a No Trespassing sign, I would think: Well, what an awful way to promote your state.
Great job on forcing the issue!
LOVE that the cop checked before doing anything! If more cops would do that, there would be less need for activism like this.