Wow - I hope people aren't putting too much stock in this review - not to be too critical, but this is a bit misleading. I'm very familiar with the 6DmkII, along with some other Canon bodies and also some Nikon bodies like the D750. There's no question all bodies have some pluses and minuses. But ... no pop-up flash? Are you kidding me? It's like you're trying hard to find things to not like. As for the dynamic range, this is only truly apparent when recovering detail from deep shadow. So if you chronically under expose and plan on being saved by Lightroom then yes, you will be let down by the lower DR on the 6DmkII. That said, if you expose correctly and even better, expose a stop or so to the right you'll very easily overcome this. Add that fact to the excellent low light performance and suddenly there's a lot to like. Note also that the price of this body has come down quite a bit from its first year or so and now you really do have something to pay attention to. Also, it's the only full frame with the fully articulating screen, so if that's something useful to you then this choice is better still. If you haven't had the pleasure of using the articulating screen, you ought to try it. Amazing when you're shooting a very low or high angle and also great on a tripod. Put the screen where you can comfortably see it, switch into live view and enjoy dual pixel touch screen focus precision. This camera gets a bad rap for a few shortcomings it has, but that just creates opportunity for buyers who are able to adapt their shooting style to take advantage of the great things about this camera.
@@rocha2333 i dont have one, but most cameras are the same, use ef lenses not efs, a good "budget" but super sharp lens is a 24-105mm mark i or 17-40mm f4. Otherwise use prime lenses like 50mm or 28/24/20mm
The saddest thing is, based on their past upgrade schedule, this thing is it until 2022. It's already losing to a 3 year-old Nikon. What will their competition have in 2020?
Don't forget that the 6D sold incredibly well. People were asking for more entry level user features (flippy screen) and Canon delivered. "At the right price" this is still unquestionably the best entry level full frame body on the market. Canon delivers the best user experience by a wide margin.
I have a Canon 7D but I'm also a Panasonic GH5 owner. I wanted a full frame to replace the APS-C, and was waiting for the 6D replacement. I was so underwhelmed that last week I went and bought a second hand but barely used 5D Mark III for 2/3 the cost of the 6D. If I didn't already have Canon glass I would have got the D750.
Joshua Koerner I went with the A7R2. And outside of the ridiculously expensive Sony glass I'm satisfied with the switch. I made a vid about it on my channel. I'm surprised you went from FF to crop!
From a film-making stand point too APS-C crops are the closest thing you're gonna get to a Super 35 that the cinema and indie-cinema industry uses. a6300 is a great choice! but an a6500 would be best i think. Unless you wanna enter the cinema-grade cameras lol, then you'd probably go back to canon C-hundreds lineup or go sony FS lineup.
Wait - it's only July and TCSTV hasn't even reviewed the Nikon D850 yet. Just kidding. The D850 looks to be a "monster" dslr (and I'm a Sony camera person). Of course, Canon will win the Coveted TCSTV Title - back to back years! 5DmkIV & 6DMkII! with their two most important cameras...
D850 need to be a monster. Nikon new cameras is look way better than Cannon's, but Nikon is likely to be number 3. Canon is still number 1, at least for now.
The 6D Mk ii will be a top seller,for a very good reason. It is an excellent camera and a lot of fun to use. I really love the noise floor, as it makes high ISO pictures look almost noiseless. The number of complaints about this camera proves that people just like to rag on a camera they don't have. I have never heard so many complaints from people who don't own the camera, and therefore not as qualified to make critical comments as someone who owns one. :-)
@Nunya Or...ppl like you simply buy products on pure loyalty and hate the fact that Canon has yet again let you down. The only ppl who seem to like this camera are current 6D owners frustrated their dated camera just got a "dated" upgrade. Top seller? lol sure, I doubt even you can convince yourself of that. I'm guessing you didn't pay attention to this review or many others. By the way hate to reveal a hidden truth you fail to realize, many reviewers get these products (cameras, phones, etc..) from the manufacturer and criticize the product that they themselves do not own. This helps the consumer to not make a $2k mistake (like your probably did) or make a $2k purchase. So yes, we are all qualified to comment and have an opinion even if we do not own the product since after all, we are in a COMMENTS section on youtube ;)
I sold my Canon gear... Still have almost new 24-70 f/2.8 II & 70-200 f/2.8 IS II lenses to go. Selling off gear is such a pain in the ass. Feel sorry for Canon shooters facing the same tough decision to switch...
Up to your eye and can't move focus points? I have never had an issue doing it with my 6d or any of my crop bodies (60d, rebel xsi). Once you get used to using the dpad it isn't that difficult. People are expecting to much from the "entry level full frame". I get that it is a lot of money priced at $2k USD but it isn't aimed at professionals who will probably be going from a 5d3 to a 5d4 or 1dx2. It does what it needs. Personally I was going to go for the 6d2 but my 6D is still adequate and I may save for another year to perhaps go to the 1Dx2 .
I was waiting to upgrade to the 6D mkII from my 60D, and developing a collection of lenses accordingly. Given the preliminary reports of disappointing DR, I instead purchased an 80D and added the very affordable Canon 10-18mm to my collection. As exclusively a still photographer, I'm loving it. Full frame will have to wait for another day or iteration. I know I could use lens adaptors, but keeping an eye on which ones work best with what in what situations would give me hives!
Well probably never get to know the whole truth behind why Canon's been doing this (gimping their cameras) for such a long time. Sure, they'll push their customers towards more expensive cameras like the 5D MK IV but, what if I am happy with APS-C and simply want a Canon camera that has 4K video? This way they'll ruin their business in no time. Both canon and Nikon have not yet realized that it is high time to produce the products the people want.
I as a IT consultant love to compare different product and choose the best in that point of time. For me, I love Canon becuse it is the first camara band I used before. LIke G1, 650D. Now I would like to upgrade to DSLR and do some research in the market. I love the 6D Mark II feature. However, after watched different review in youtube, it is true that I may go for Nikon D750. Canon 6D Mark II cannot beat a 3 years old Nikon D750 with the following: - Dual SD card - number of AF points - Build-in flash light (as a beginner DSLR, it is useful) - Dynamic Range - Headphone plug
I was one of those users that was getting that sinking feeling Canon was leaving us behind so I ditched them a few years back! Luckily for me I didn't have large amount of Canon glass (I wish their cameras were as good as their lenses!) to get rid of, so the transition to Fujifilm wasn't that painful. I've also got my eye on Nikon's upcoming D850 too as I've found that I really miss a big bright optical viewfinder and the better battery life (as compared to a MILC) of a traditional DSLR in a number of situations now.
to have worse dr than a frickn rebel for 500 bucks is a huge god damn shame. and those focus points may work on apsc, but clustered up like that, it is gonna limit you without you even knowing
Unfortunately I just don't find the 6D2 compelling in any way. Either fork out the extra money and get a 5D4, get a D750, or go mirrorless with an a7 or a7ii.
mcrazza agreed. I find the mirrorless cameras Canon's making as well to be lacking anything compelling about them. I think part of the issue is trying to protect dependence on EF-mount lenses... but I don't think that canon's users are as dependent as they think we are on those if they lose all their brand equity with us. Made a video on that subject actually
Disappointed about upgrade from old 600D. What to select: 6D mk2, 80D or 5D mk3? Use it primarily for portrait photos in the city. The 5D mk4 price is almost two times higher, and I think can I buy cheaper device with good quality or it’s only way to go to 5D mk4? Need your advice. Thank you.
Canon EOS SL2/200D. This is just a request from me. I know this is a Rebel line camera model but I would love to see review about this camera from your perspective.
That is a perfectly sensible mirrorless camera fighter, particularly in light of Canon's attractive compact lens options: especially the lightweight EF-S and [stabilized] EF primes... which sell lightly or barely used, ubiquitously, at commodity prices. Quite possibly a winning player in what may turn out to be a sensibly profitable transition strategy to mirrorless for Canon over the longer haul. The SL2/200D surely makes more sense than current mirrorless offerings in a number of respects for many consumers.
So true. As a 5D4 user, I really hope Canon would focus on image quality in their camera. Close the gap between their product with other competitors. And they take a step back while they clearly have the tech to make it better. I don`t think my next camera will be a Canon.
i feel disapointed with this 6dii, i have the 6d and i wanted to upgrade but only for a better DR as i do landscape photography. i cant believe that i need to go to A7ii with metabones or change my system to nikon and get a d750... i will miss my ts-e24ii but canon doesnt care about their clients. a 3300€ 5div isnt an option for my hobby €€€€. i feel let down by canon :(
Yep, I stopped looking at the 6DII when I saw the omission of the headphone jack let alone all the other things you guys mentioned. It should have had at least the same feature set as the 80D.
Canon should change their slogan from "delighting you always" to "screw you (consumer) always". When Sony release new camera people go wow OMG is that possible? When Canon and Nikon release new camera people were like yeah yeah… whatever… it was so boring.
I saw a lot of reviews by different people about the lack of Dual card slots in the 6D Mark II or the lower versions on the Canon EOS series. I would like to point out that the 6D Mark ii has Bluetooth /NFC and wifi capability and you can use a Bluetooth to backup your camera photos to your phone or laptop seamlessly while shooting without worrying about card failure.
Will you sheep people EVER quit taking the bait from marketing & advertising spin doctors interested only in more profits, and their obedient media shills... and STOP calling high performing cameras "entry level"??! I **founded** ... ...√ an industrial advertising agency, √ specified and purchased photo microscopy lab equipment as final authority, AND √ shot as a pro from 1982... and OWN -- preferentially & provisionally, as APS-C complements to Sony, Nikon, and soon, Pentax FF (for IMAGE QUALITY-FIRST CONSIDERATIONS in 'field use'): Sony A5000/LCDVF: 3 VFs, in fact... Canon M3/EVF... and Nikon D3400, all replacing Pentax K3 in regular use. They weigh, in TOTAL, about 38.5 ounces loaded. **I "entered" in 1954** with a Leica M3 double stroke RF in my hands. How about you, Mr. Bailey? "Horses for courses," as the Brits say. Forget the hype. Baa?
I'm the guy you talked about. A semi pro Canon 6D shooter who has been excitedly waiting for this upgrade for a year or two. There is zero chance I will buy this camera, so I'm not sure where I go from here. If I didn't have the investment in the glass I have I'd be looking at other manufacturers. I'm very disappointed with Canon. In the mean time maybe I look for a used MKIII as I can't justify Mark IV money on my usage. Thanks for a great review and a huge thumbs down to Canon.
Get the 80D. I was about to order the 6Dii when the dynamic range problem, tests occur, so I went for the 80D, which i could sent back after the first reviews of the 6Dii would hit the net, if it would fare better.... I was on my edge here when the high iso came, but rejoiced on my 80D choice for the PP, DR At least after this review, I'm happy with the 80D... ALL-I video for grading (does the 6Dii only have IPB?). 7Fps,... best dynamic range in the sub 2000€ segement for canon... The DR on low iso is really good. Like really good... 80D is the best bang for the buck right now for Canon Users, if you don't want to switch... I was also considering Sonys but I want a work horse and am invested in Canon lenses, which Canon's cameras are. Sony low battery life, overheating, compressed raws (but the DR is nice)....
Thanks for the review, guys! Interesting to see your comparison between the Rebel, the 5D IV and the 6D II in dynamic range. It made me think it would be great to see a real life comparison between sensor sizes. I shoot micro 4/3 and have always assumed that full frame would knock out my small sensor in dynamic range. But it would be really fun to see how much of a difference the sensor size really makes when you shoot portraits or landscapes.
The 6DMKii is light years ahead of what I used for nearly 15 years. I chuckle when they say it is a entry level camera for those who is stepping up to full frame, I'm coming from a full frame 5d mkI. DIGIC II processor and a 35.8 x 23.9 mm full-frame CMOS sensor with 13.3 million pixels (12.7 megapixel effective) and a pixel density of 1.5 megapixels per square centimetre. ISO speeds from 100 to 1600 are provided, adjustable in 1/3 steps (ISO can be expanded to L: 50 or H: 3200 with a menu function). The ISO 50 setting reduces dynamic range by a stop in the highlights.
So for someone that's wanting to get back in the canon full frame world.... Does it make more sense to just buy the original 6D and save the money? The prices of the 6D on the used market are dropping. You can pick up one for around 700/800.
Berno Bruvn Mikcalson But we're still not getting full features that we should. The a7ii has s-log for example. And a headphone jack and clean hdmi output. All of those should be had on the 6D ii in my opinion as well
No it's not, which is the frustrating part. No one is going to buy a $2000 camera first, and for the rest of us it's a non-starter. "Entry level FF" means nothing because FF is fundamentally not entry level.
Joshua Koerner I don't disagree, but the A7 series is closer to where the 5D sits on the scale. So far only canon and Nikon have budget FF cameras under the flagship and pro level cameras. I do feel like people are ignoring the awesome cinema line that's designed for video first and foremost though
Joshua Koerner Finally, someone else who understands the fundamentals. God, I'm tired of this "entry full frame" crap. It's full frame... that's already beyond entry level.
I a 80D and 6D user (started with the 80D and got a budget 6D for the full frame DOF) and won't be upgrading to the mark II either. I've been wanting to sell both of the cameras and upgrade to a single body, but it would be crazy to spend that amount of money on a 6DII. A couple of weeks ago, I went to a Canon store to be introduced to the new camera and it was just a series of disappointments. I asked Canon's rep guy about the motorized mirror box (from the 80D and 5DIV) and it wasn't there. 1080p ALL-I (80D): not present. Not to mention 4K, max shutter speed, max flash sync speed and cards slots... even the representative couldn't believe. And we didn't even know about dynamic range... I guess the only Canon option I could even consider would be the 5DIV, but it's a salty one. It's crazy how little they are offering with the new 6D compared to their lineup and the whole market. They killed this series for me, handicaping the camera so much.
Canon is so predictable that I called all of these shortcomings weeks ago. I have no clue who’s making the decisions over there, but even worse, who’s green lighting those decisions. Sheesh!
Very fair review, agree with it. As a 6DM1 user, I still upgraded to the mark 2. I can confirm that details in low exposure areas are completely destroyed, it reminds me of my old 60D. I'm still happy overall though, the AF, resolution bump and the swivel screen were sufficient incentive for me to upgrade. But being $2000, almost everyone else (Nikon, Sony, Panasonic, Pentax) have better bodies at the price point. The 80D is the most damning competition of all, actually. Most people looking for what the 6DM2 can do, should look at the 80D. It's half the price and basically the same, albeit at APS-C focal lengths.
Sony a7II - 1500€ - entry level sony ff camera Canon 6d MK2 - 2100€ - entry level canon ff camera Sony a7II - 1/8000 shutter speed, 1/250 flash sync, a real IBIS, zebras, focus peaking and histogram on the evf, incredible dynamic range for the price, you can adapt every lens ever made Canon 6D MK2 - 1/4000 shutter speed, 1/180 flash sync, digital ibis that warp alot, no zebras or focus peaking, poor dynamic range compared to other ff cameras of the same price, you can adapt only a poor amount of lenses. With the canon 6d mk2 you have an articulated screen and dual pixel af but bad codec, wtf canon? You can find at lower price and better specs the nikon d750 or 610, sony a7 or sony a7II, a used canon 5D Mk3, or a pentax (yeah i know...) This camera imho is only for who has invested a lot on the canon system and don't have the money for a better model, cause canon is overpriced but has a complete all around lens system, this is what canon has, the system of third and first party lenses, nothing more because she is not that competitive when even a 3 years old nikon do a better job on the sensor side.
CrexTV I just bought the 6D (original) over the A7 ii because of the selection and affordability of Canon and Tamron EF glass. Sony just doesn't have much to choose from in the lens department and the good Zeiss glass simply isn't affordable. Otherwise the Sony is a better body. I have a Panasonic G85 for video, so that played into my decision as well.
i'm a Canon 5D user. Even since I got the Olympus e-p2 and then the Olympus OM-D EM-5, I've seldom used the 5D anymore. I don't think i'll ever want to use such a bulky camera again. So, I was hoping the 6D would one day become a great camera, so that I can use the excellent Canon lenses once again on a lighter, smaller 6D. However, the way Canon neglect their updates has been really disappointing.
This body was a little disappointing. No 4k, no headphone jack, one card slot, 97% viewfinder. I kinda expected those, given Canon's ways of attempting to funnel their users into buying more expensive equipment, but I always hoped the sensor would show the same improvements seen in other Canon cameras. Using a well worn 600D and Fuji looks a lot more attractive every day. I've leased a 6D and it still produces some nice results and intend to lease an 80D too. Not big on the FF hype, APSC is just fine given a fast enough lens and Fuji offers that.
Simple .... Don't confuse the public. 6D mark ii is a great camera for first time full frame users. From APSC its a good leap towards perfection. 90% of the users are for still photography. If you need 4K video then go for Sony Latest brands. My images speaks the positive leap in to 6d mark ii. I am sleepless i want to use it all 24hrs. Few drawbacks here and there are on all equipments just forget it. Dear entry level Full Frame photographers , please don't hesitate, you can close your eyes and buy this camera. It's awesomeeeee !! And if you have more money , then buy the king of DSLR s.. Canon 5D mark iv.
Canon is redifinging the expression "resting on their laurels"... I know who this camera is for: people who still think that in 2017, full frame dslr are a must have if you want to be considered some type of "professional"... I am a canon shooter (5d3) and after shooting with fuji mirrorless (xpro2 and xt2) for the past month, how am I supposed to not resist the temptation to dump all my canon gear (and save some money in the process) and go with fuji?
At this point I would seriously set the dynamic range from the Nikon D3300 as the benchmark for all these flagship cameras. First D5 and now 6DII both seem to be very bad at dynamic ranges
Even if anything else would be great, the capability to get the most in PP and the potencial of DR are too important today (the possibility to shoot in low light with much lower ISO, and then push the file 2-3EV up to get a regular image without noise, is something too good to be left when you try it and it works), so "no thanks" Canon, you have to try harder.
You should always try to chose the right ISO in terms of even exposure. Raising the shadows usually produces more noise than going with the ISO you need. Of course, you shouldn't overexpose when you want to maintain details in the highlights.
Hubieee problem is when you can't bracket shots, and have to expose for the sky and the land or whatever. There're a lot of situations where in order to get detail in one you lose the detail in the other just because of very contrasty lighting. Those plentiful real world scenarios are part of the problem-they aren't accommodated for in this camera
There are situations where you can´t push the ISO, and with ISO-less sensors you can do much with this method, but the DR must be there. And not even talking about wide range bracketings...
Joshua exactly. People who keep repeating the good old "learn to expose correctly!" have probably forgotten that in some real-world scenarios the scene is so contrasty that you can't expose "correctly", or the subject is moving so bracketing shots is not possible. Dynamic range is the way to go.
have you experienced any issue with shooting with Liveview on the Sigma lens? I saw you posted the sample images of the camera with the Sigma 85mm art lens. I just got my copy yesterday and realized that I run into "error message 70" everytime shooting through liveview with a Sigma lens.
OK now people are complaining about the supposedly "bad" DR and high ISO performance, saying that it's even a bit worse than the old 6D. Now first HDR mode eliminates DR issues, and downsampling 26 MP images down to 20 MP (6D resolution) might clean up some noise. Besides that: CanonWatch has rumors of a firmware update coming in September for the 6D mark II. And it may or may not improve DR and/or high ISO performance, or may/may not add some other feature(s) like ALL-I recording or even 4K video (but that's unlikely). The reason why I think it might help the 6D2's performance is this: Canon did handicap this camera to protect their 5D mark IV. Now, they either did this by using old sensor tech or by handicapping the firmware. I'm inclined to believe they handicapped the firmware; there's no reason to use old sensor tech when you can achieve the same effect with firmware. Plus with firmware, you CAN fix it in case of a huge PR problem (which Canon DOES have right now). Besides, B & H's page on the 6D mark II explicitly says that *the 6D mark II's sensor offers improved low light performance compared to the old 6D*. There's another reason why it might be the firmware's fault and NOT the sensor's. And in that case they could fix the firmware and it would be a great camera, challenging the D750. Or it might even be a slight hardware update like they did to the 5D4 to add C-LOG. Plus, if you notice, DXOmark has not released their scores for the 6D2 yet. Hopefully they'll wait until after the firmware update, to see what exactly the firmware update did to help the camera. Perhaps DXO is deliberately waiting for the firmware update, and that's a good thing if you ask me.
I've been taking the 6D Mk II negative reviews with a grain of salt so far, but I'm afraid this one has put the last nail in the coffin for me. I can overlook the majority of faults and omissions, but the dynamic range is the kicker. That's the whole point for me shooting in RAW in order to bail out my poor technic, lol. I really wanted to move up to a full frame sensor from my M3, but now I'm considering sticking with APS-C and getting a Fuji X-T2 instead. I love the thought of having the option of shooting old school style.
CHRIS LJ The Xt2 is a great camera and I have a 6D. I borrowed my friends and loved the camera and I was surprised by the quality of the pics. The colors and sharpness are excellent! The Fuji lenses are excellent at a reasonable price. LR does an excellent job with RAF files now. Skin tones are perfect on the Xt2.
Chris you might want to wait for some time, there are rumors going that there will soon be an X-T2 successor with sensor stabilization. Other than that, you will love the Fuji system. The handling is very comfortable and all lenses are really good.
I own a 6D and a 5D4, and I'm buying this one to replace my original 6D. It is an upgrade from the previous one, and I don't need it for video. Thanks for the in-depth review!
I've been doing a lot of research lately, A/Bing the 6D Mark II against the 5D Mark III and was wondering what your thoughts on that are? I do a lot of family photography as well as occasional weddings and nature photography so I'm trying to find a camera with strong autofocus to capture quick moving people/children. I was hoping to spend somewhere around the $2000 price range. Any help/suggestions/thoughts would be hugely appreciated! Thanks!
Do you believe you can still get a correct/ the desired composition using the viewfinder without focus and recomposing? Or are the AF-Points not spread wide enough?
ARXV Photo Yes, which I really hate doing, but it was obvious after just a few test shot comparisons that there are little or no perceived gains in the IQ/noise/DR department.
I don't want anyone to think I'm Canon bashing, as it still is a pretty great all-around camera if you must have FF for some reason, but the 2X price of the 80D could not be justified for me. I suspect many will go for the 5D IV or a different brand once more reviews come out.
Joshua - I took replicate sample shots in a variety of situations, low light, shadow lifting/highlight dropping in post, color, etc., and compared the images. What I found was no significant gains with any of my comparisons.
This might have been the tipping point for me to get the 5D IV as an existing 6D user. There's no real benefits except size and a flippy screen, and of course cost. With a large investment in lenses it'd feel like a waste getting this camera. Great Review as usual guys.
It's partly Canon hardliners fault. If you go the Canon related forum you'll see lol. "if you want 4k get a video camera" "if you want dynamic range, well you should've become a better photographer" "at least it doesn't overheat" Fanboys... Fuck em, these are the only people Canon listens too. It's like showing your shitty drawing to a family member they're always gonna praise you no matter what.
They way I see it, they're like the Toyota of Camera manufacturers. Sure it's boring, it's "beige", but they're also reliable, has wide dealership network and would probably retain a better reselling value, but it's a fucking Toyota, no one aspires to own a camry. Canon is all business man. Minimum R&D, proven technology, lower manufacturing cost, maximum guaranteed return. I don't know if they're being too conservative or maybe they're trying to go out of this (camera) business. As a Canon users of 6 years man, I just don't understand their anti innovation attitude, how can you progress if you're afraid of failing. Sony might churn out half-baked innovative product that overheats every 5 minutes, but I'm pretty they're learning new stuff on every iteration of their new product.
I'm a Lumix fanboy, but I'll admit only one of those brands is really competing with Canikon and that's Sony. Olympus said themselves that the Em1 Mk II was aimed at existing users (duh, great way to grow the market), and it's release was overshadowed by the GH5. Speaking of which, it's a big seller for Panasonic, but still a drop in the ocean when it comes to markets share.
simianinc Be optimistic, Oly finally making profit (2016) after 7 years in a row losing profit. Thanks for the help from Sony, _(stocks buying & tech injection)_ And oly still famous for making gorgeous camera.
I used to be a 6D owner. Canon have great color, ergonomics, and menus. DPAF is incredible too. I wish they put that tilt screen on every camera. These are all good features, and I'm sure this camera is a lot of fun to shoot with, but I'm glad I didn't wait for it. It's going to be a fine stills camera. The problem is that the 6D is a fine stills camera. Even the 5D Mark I is a fine stills camera. The 60D is still a fine stills camera if your looking for a cheap DSLR. In 2017, Canon users deserve more than just a fine stills camera. I bought a 5D IV after making peace with its short comings. It had most of the things I was looking for in an upgrade (that price tag though). I can't imagine 6D owners saying that they wanted less dynamic range and subpar video features at this price. What a weird camera.
The existing 6D users (me) has upgraded to 5D mark IV. I hope all the other existing 6D user upgrade to Sony A7R II or wait for A7 III. Canon is suicidal.
i just sold my Canon 7D Mark II kit, minus a 50mm 1.4 because i still have a cheapo film camera, to fund a Fujifilm X-T2 and some lenses... i'm very happy with the decision! and it actually has 4K recording! i've also got a Sony α7II on the side for my full frame fix ^^
Would not touch Sony with a barge pole, rented one to try total crap battery life lasted next to no time, Canon may have issues but you know you will get about a full days shoot with the battery.
Hey ! Hi TCS T.V.. I've 80D with me and Considering the Fact that 6D ii is a Full-Frame would you suggest 6D ii has a worthy replacement ? I'd shoot Videos More than Photos. Thanks a lot for the information, Was Waiting for this one.
Canon needs a total shakeup, I don't get what the logic is with their camera lineup. They're voluntarily giving up the prosumer and even some pro market share to Sony.
@ ARXV Photo... That's almost complete rubbish! That's exactly right -- you DON'T get it. Bigtime. Cite your EVIDENCE, please... if you can (you can't). Canon has EXPANDED their market share lead over Nikon for the last 5 years, are moving rapidly into #2 market share in MILCs worldwide, and show no meaningful sign of having cannibalized their con$umer DSLR bu$iness in the proce$$. Go ahead, sir, PREDICT where Canon is going to land financially when their contemporary strategy has played out more in, say, five years. That's what THEY think about. Do you understand that Canon is a big corporation whose ~ 17% of revenue from the camera-lenses' division is primarily about profit, not stirring the loins of camera forum 'internet experts'? Do you ever read about this industry and Canon's place in it in the financial pages? Are you qualified as a businessman or capital investor to make the **broad generalizations** you made credibly? You know what my provisional opinion of that is. Just to be very clear, via some measure of redundancy: It's about THE ENTIRE DIVISION'S 'BOTTOM LINE', now, and going forward.
The 6D mkii and the (refurbished) 5D mk iii are exactly the same price right now. Can we get an in depth comparison between them? How's the 1080 quality of them both look? How about the DR? I'd love to see the high ISO in video with them shot side by side :) Thanks!
You know the difference between FF and APS-C? The high ISO of the 6D mk II is significantly better than that of the 80D, the DR may be not, but well. Still, there are some artistic differences as well, namely less depth of field etc.
No, I have no idea of the differences, I just said the 80D has a smaller sensor by accident. Duh... BTW, in the video Chris says the low light performance of the 6DII is only marginally better, not significantly. DOF can be an issue IF you use FF with max aperture lenses wide open a lot , but in real life shooting, APS-C lens apertures are large enough in most cases.
Hubieee one can also use FF large aperture lenses on aps-c bodies in order to replicate that ff experience through equivalence. Hence a 24 f/1.4 would be about the same as a 35 f/1.8-2 or so. The difference between the original 6D and the 6D mark ii is the brand equity canon built with the former and is losing with the latter
Then better directly switch to an APS-C commited company like Fujifilm or even mFT from Pana or Oly for all the size benefits. Though the 80D is a great body... the Canon lens lineup is not optimized for APS-C... all the good lenses are full-frame - so they are bigger, as necessary, focal-length not really match etc. Sadly even the best mFT sensors seem to be able to compete with this 4-times bigger Fullframe in dynamic-range... and the X-Trans III APS-C clearly surpasses it in DR. High-Iso still may favour the 6D Mk2... but not by far - and least for my style of shooting, the times I could have needed the "night-vision like ISOs" of 6400 or higher are almost non existent.
Any plans to review the Canon SL2/200D? For me it was the more interesting camera announced alongside the 6D Mark ii. Just over half the weight of the 80D with the same sensor and many of the same features.
Mohammed Fuadh have you ever shot with D750? I had and mine was affected, however I was never able to replicate the problem myself. It is a fantastic camera. These issues are blown out of proportion
Nikon replaces the entire shutter mechanism of the D750s that are affected. Most are affected so you can pick up a used one and send it for effectively a new camera
Really though, why even get a FF DSLR at this point if all u can afford is the entry level one? :P This canon is basically a no-go and the 750 is getting old. Maybe Nikon does a refresh soon.
Looking to get my first full frame camera...trying to decide between this 6D and a Nikon D780. Any recommendations? I’ve had a Canon T5i before.. Primarily uses are landscapes & Portraits with some sports sprinkled in.
You could have a d750 + Sigma Arts Prime for nearly the same money. It shows once again Canon is more interested market segmentation than anything else
I have the original 6D and I have used it since it came out in 2013, I don't see myself will upgrade to the Mrk II, I am really disappointed the lack of 4K. I shot a lot of videos, may go SONY or Panasonic in the future
How does compare the video quality of the 6d mark II with respect to the older 6d? One of the main issues of the 6d were the aliasing artifacts: I hope that the new models has been improved. Also, is it possible to manually set the audio levels, during the video recording (on the older model it was possible only before the recording)?
Hello professor . I have some questions . Should I buy 6d mark 2 or 90d ? I need a camera can performance in low light . The reason I don't like 6d mark ii is all focus points clumed in the middle . 90d is crop sensor but it has 8 digic . They are the same price . Please help.
The clustered AF area in the centre of the frame negates the usefulness of those 41 points. In essence, it's still a focus-recompose camera, which is not good when shooting wide open using faster glass.
Canon still has the best wi-fi utility and camera software on the market, by a wide margin. In terms of "ecosystem" Sony and Nikon have a long way to go, I don't see that changing any time soon (snap bridge was a disaster). The upcoming SL2 is probably the best entry level SLR ever made, and the T7i could probably serve as a professional body for any environment that doesn't need weather sealing.
Did you watch the video? The sensor of the 6D mk II is a setback, no doubt. But AF and settings are far superior... PhotoTec comes to the same conclusion (try to adjust aperture in Manual mode when taking photos for example...)
Why? Still some of the best lenses and pro support in the market. They also have actual Cinema cameras and proper pro level cameras that are completely sorted out without needing recalls. The 6D was alway gimped sadly
I love this channel ! Whenever I want to get a little more info on the camera that I'm looking for I always come to this channel. Great channel amazing content.
Quite unfortunate that Canon consistently blows opportunities to recollect its dedicated users with a new, outstanding line of pro DSLR's with competitive, uncompromising higher end features. I never thought I'd even consider jumping ship, having shot Canon from the AE-1 at the tennis U.S. Open in NYC and the original EOS-1 35mm film. It's been "almost there but not quite" for years. Sony, Fuji, Nikon, Sigma have all SIGNIFICANTLY stepped up their game. I scratch my head with each new release, hoping that they'll get it right this time. The 5D Mk IV serves my purpose (let's not talk about those HUMONGOUS vid files). Needless to say, I'm heavily invested in Canon gear but Sony and its G master line is starting to look tempting....The crazy part is...Canon doesn't seem to give a ****.
i want a camera with a faster auto focus and great in low light and i'm happy. i take wonderful pictures but i have to ask you this question do you use auto focus or manual mode when you're taking your pictures? and since it's a full frame camera which lens do you use for your camera i like what i see i wanted the canon 6d but somebody said the mark 2 is the better one
Puppet Master Yeah their entry level C100 mkii is $7000 AUD and still doesn't shoot 4K. Canon is cynically counting on the fact that their existing user base has made an investment in Canon lenses and is therefore hesitant to switch brands. The thing about this is Canon think they can serve a camera which is clearly inferior to its 3 year old nearest competitor. Here in Oz the 6d mkii is $2700 body only. I can get a Sony A7 ii and metabones adapter and still have change. The Sony will give me IBIS, better video, and better DR.
I think it would be pretty good with at least 5D IV levels of DR, but with this sensor it's a NO. DR is about the most important aspect of image quality in 2017.
In fairness, a used a7rii that's about the same price is gonna be in pretty rough condition from what I've seen-but your point is otherwise totally valid
You`ll never look back, and you`ll rarely look up. You`ll be struggling with the 7`s shitty menu system all day and changing batteries every 45 minutes. And what lens will you have on that used 7r2? Shitty expenisive? Good super-expensive? Crappy adaptors ? Even comparing the Canon ecosystem to Sony`s is ludicrous.
I guess I'll keep my 5DII and 70D. I was going to get the 5DIV but waited to see this camera's features first. I do like the wifi and GPS capability. Rumor says that a mirrorless offering is in the works.
Wow - I hope people aren't putting too much stock in this review - not to be too critical, but this is a bit misleading. I'm very familiar with the 6DmkII, along with some other Canon bodies and also some Nikon bodies like the D750. There's no question all bodies have some pluses and minuses. But ... no pop-up flash? Are you kidding me? It's like you're trying hard to find things to not like. As for the dynamic range, this is only truly apparent when recovering detail from deep shadow. So if you chronically under expose and plan on being saved by Lightroom then yes, you will be let down by the lower DR on the 6DmkII. That said, if you expose correctly and even better, expose a stop or so to the right you'll very easily overcome this. Add that fact to the excellent low light performance and suddenly there's a lot to like. Note also that the price of this body has come down quite a bit from its first year or so and now you really do have something to pay attention to. Also, it's the only full frame with the fully articulating screen, so if that's something useful to you then this choice is better still. If you haven't had the pleasure of using the articulating screen, you ought to try it. Amazing when you're shooting a very low or high angle and also great on a tripod. Put the screen where you can comfortably see it, switch into live view and enjoy dual pixel touch screen focus precision. This camera gets a bad rap for a few shortcomings it has, but that just creates opportunity for buyers who are able to adapt their shooting style to take advantage of the great things about this camera.
I just bought a pretty much brand new 6D mark II for 1200 bucks from a guy switching to Sony. What a steal! Upgraded from a 70D and love it.
I have a 700d and planing to but a 6d mark 2. Do I see the improvement?
@@rocha2333 a big improvement
justanotherguycommenting what lens you use with your 6d?
@@rocha2333 i dont have one, but most cameras are the same, use ef lenses not efs, a good "budget" but super sharp lens is a 24-105mm mark i or 17-40mm f4. Otherwise use prime lenses like 50mm or 28/24/20mm
@Atlas Dallasthe bots are everywhere
You are doing the best camera reviews. Period.
The saddest thing is, based on their past upgrade schedule, this thing is it until 2022. It's already losing to a 3 year-old Nikon. What will their competition have in 2020?
Kevin Liao maybe they are thinking to close their camera department. Who knows....
Well considering that they stopped upgrading cameras since 2010 or so, I was expecting such worse Canon camera and not suprised at all
Don't forget that the 6D sold incredibly well.
People were asking for more entry level user features (flippy screen) and Canon delivered.
"At the right price" this is still unquestionably the best entry level full frame body on the market. Canon delivers the best user experience by a wide margin.
Bud The Cyborg
Not really the 6d mkii has not been recalled three times unlike Nikon D750
I have a Canon 7D but I'm also a Panasonic GH5 owner. I wanted a full frame to replace the APS-C, and was waiting for the 6D replacement. I was so underwhelmed that last week I went and bought a second hand but barely used 5D Mark III for 2/3 the cost of the 6D. If I didn't already have Canon glass I would have got the D750.
Was a 6D shooter, was holding out for this camera before I ran out of patience and just went Sony. Glad I didn't wait =)
Out of curiosity, which Sony did you get? I have an original 6D, needed AF-C for making videos here, so I went with an a6300 myself.
Joshua Koerner I went with the A7R2. And outside of the ridiculously expensive Sony glass I'm satisfied with the switch. I made a vid about it on my channel. I'm surprised you went from FF to crop!
Until the a7 iii series comes out, IMHO the crop bodies are equally as good as the FF versions, tuned slightly differently
From a film-making stand point too APS-C crops are the closest thing you're gonna get to a Super 35 that the cinema and indie-cinema industry uses. a6300 is a great choice! but an a6500 would be best i think. Unless you wanna enter the cinema-grade cameras lol, then you'd probably go back to canon C-hundreds lineup or go sony FS lineup.
6D 2 is pretty bad ass, now the it can be had for $1699....
Now I know what is in TCSTV's Worst Camera Gear of 2017.
Wait - it's only July and TCSTV hasn't even reviewed the Nikon D850 yet. Just kidding. The D850 looks to be a "monster" dslr (and I'm a Sony camera person).
Of course, Canon will win the Coveted TCSTV Title - back to back years! 5DmkIV & 6DMkII! with their two most important cameras...
D850 need to be a monster. Nikon new cameras is look way better than Cannon's, but Nikon is likely to be number 3. Canon is still number 1, at least for now.
The 6D Mk ii will be a top seller,for a very good reason. It is an excellent camera and a lot of fun to use. I really love the noise floor, as it makes high ISO pictures look almost noiseless. The number of complaints about this camera proves that people just like to rag on a camera they don't have. I have never heard so many complaints from people who don't own the camera, and therefore not as qualified to make critical comments as someone who owns one. :-)
@Nunya Or...ppl like you simply buy products on pure loyalty and hate the fact that Canon has yet again let you down. The only ppl who seem to like this camera are current 6D owners frustrated their dated camera just got a "dated" upgrade. Top seller? lol sure, I doubt even you can convince yourself of that. I'm guessing you didn't pay attention to this review or many others. By the way hate to reveal a hidden truth you fail to realize, many reviewers get these products (cameras, phones, etc..) from the manufacturer and criticize the product that they themselves do not own. This helps the consumer to not make a $2k mistake (like your probably did) or make a $2k purchase. So yes, we are all qualified to comment and have an opinion even if we do not own the product since after all, we are in a COMMENTS section on youtube ;)
I have an original 6D.. no way I'll upgrade to this...
6D shooter here. I was soo hoping for the 6DMk2... the dynamic range is the most important to me too. And I guess I'll be getting 5DMk4 then..
YTDekus 5D mark IV has same DR as entry level Nikon's from 2011....
I'm a 6d user and I'm definitely not buying this mk ii
Same!!
I sold my Canon gear... Still have almost new 24-70 f/2.8 II & 70-200 f/2.8 IS II lenses to go. Selling off gear is such a pain in the ass. Feel sorry for Canon shooters facing the same tough decision to switch...
Keep the glass and buy a Sony, it most likely works fine when adapted,
Those lenses would work like a dream on a MFT camera, too, so you might want to hold onto those for the future.
Me too... Dissapointed...
Up to your eye and can't move focus points? I have never had an issue doing it with my 6d or any of my crop bodies (60d, rebel xsi). Once you get used to using the dpad it isn't that difficult. People are expecting to much from the "entry level full frame". I get that it is a lot of money priced at $2k USD but it isn't aimed at professionals who will probably be going from a 5d3 to a 5d4 or 1dx2. It does what it needs. Personally I was going to go for the 6d2 but my 6D is still adequate and I may save for another year to perhaps go to the 1Dx2 .
I'm a 60D & A6K user, so the 5D3 is a better FF entry than this 6D2?
Or go back to m4/3 with G85 or GH5?
Maybe I'll wait for A7III to come out.
I own a GH5 and a 5D Mark III. The Panasonic has one stop more dynamic range
EVOKIN a7 and a7ii have 14 stops dr, I believe, according to dxomark
6D2 is better than 5D3, but not by much. And not for video. And not for dr.
I was waiting to upgrade to the 6D mkII from my 60D, and developing a collection of lenses accordingly. Given the preliminary reports of disappointing DR, I instead purchased an 80D and added the very affordable Canon 10-18mm to my collection. As exclusively a still photographer, I'm loving it. Full frame will have to wait for another day or iteration. I know I could use lens adaptors, but keeping an eye on which ones work best with what in what situations would give me hives!
Glad I got the 80D
No pop up flash??? Dang!!! 🤔 I suppose I could use my huge speedlite. My 6D Mark ii comes tomorrow, upgrading from a T5i
I can not understand why they didn't put the 5d4 sensor into that machine there was not about this , in the 6d line ?
Well probably never get to know the whole truth behind why Canon's been doing this (gimping their cameras) for such a long time. Sure, they'll push their customers towards more expensive cameras like the 5D MK IV but, what if I am happy with APS-C and simply want a Canon camera that has 4K video? This way they'll ruin their business in no time. Both canon and Nikon have not yet realized that it is high time to produce the products the people want.
I as a IT consultant love to compare different product and choose the best in that point of time. For me, I love Canon becuse it is the first camara band I used before. LIke G1, 650D.
Now I would like to upgrade to DSLR and do some research in the market. I love the 6D Mark II feature. However, after watched different review in youtube, it is true that I may go for Nikon D750.
Canon 6D Mark II cannot beat a 3 years old Nikon D750 with the following:
- Dual SD card
- number of AF points
- Build-in flash light (as a beginner DSLR, it is useful)
- Dynamic Range
- Headphone plug
What was the statement I heard the other day, every four years Canon brings out a four-year-old camera.
I was one of those users that was getting that sinking feeling Canon was leaving us behind so I ditched them a few years back! Luckily for me I didn't have large amount of Canon glass (I wish their cameras were as good as their lenses!) to get rid of, so the transition to Fujifilm wasn't that painful. I've also got my eye on Nikon's upcoming D850 too as I've found that I really miss a big bright optical viewfinder and the better battery life (as compared to a MILC) of a traditional DSLR in a number of situations now.
to have worse dr than a frickn rebel for 500 bucks is a huge god damn shame. and those focus points may work on apsc, but clustered up like that, it is gonna limit you without you even knowing
I'm a 6d user and switch to Nikon d750. Couldn't be any happier! I'm still using the 6d as a back-up, but have not touch it for over 9 months.
Unfortunately I just don't find the 6D2 compelling in any way. Either fork out the extra money and get a 5D4, get a D750, or go mirrorless with an a7 or a7ii.
mcrazza Or go APS-C
Or go Pentax =)
mcrazza agreed. I find the mirrorless cameras Canon's making as well to be lacking anything compelling about them. I think part of the issue is trying to protect dependence on EF-mount lenses... but I don't think that canon's users are as dependent as they think we are on those if they lose all their brand equity with us. Made a video on that subject actually
Disappointed about upgrade from old 600D. What to select: 6D mk2, 80D or 5D mk3? Use it primarily for portrait photos in the city.
The 5D mk4 price is almost two times higher, and I think can I buy cheaper device with good quality or it’s only way to go to 5D mk4? Need your advice. Thank you.
Canon EOS SL2/200D. This is just a request from me. I know this is a Rebel line camera model but I would love to see review about this camera from your perspective.
Jason Kune86
*agree*
Hoping to review it. If not a full field test, we'll do a short review on an upcoming TCSTV Live.
Jordan @ TCSTV
That is a perfectly sensible mirrorless camera fighter, particularly in light of Canon's attractive compact lens options: especially the lightweight EF-S and [stabilized] EF primes... which sell lightly or barely used, ubiquitously, at commodity prices. Quite possibly a winning player in what may turn out to be a sensibly profitable transition strategy to mirrorless for Canon over the longer haul. The SL2/200D surely makes more sense than current mirrorless offerings in a number of respects for many consumers.
So true. As a 5D4 user, I really hope Canon would focus on image quality in their camera. Close the gap between their product with other competitors. And they take a step back while they clearly have the tech to make it better. I don`t think my next camera will be a Canon.
i feel disapointed with this 6dii, i have the 6d and i wanted to upgrade but only for a better DR as i do landscape photography. i cant believe that i need to go to A7ii with metabones or change my system to nikon and get a d750... i will miss my ts-e24ii but canon doesnt care about their clients. a 3300€ 5div isnt an option for my hobby €€€€. i feel let down by canon :(
Paulo Pereira same dude, same. It's not a fun club to be a member of. :/
The a7 iis have like 2 more stops of DR though so that's good
Yep, I stopped looking at the 6DII when I saw the omission of the headphone jack let alone all the other things you guys mentioned. It should have had at least the same feature set as the 80D.
Canon should change their slogan from "delighting you always" to "screw you (consumer) always". When Sony release new camera people go wow OMG is that possible? When Canon and Nikon release new camera people were like yeah yeah… whatever… it was so boring.
I had shudder problems when I saw 'Psycho' for the first time.
I saw a lot of reviews by different people about the lack of Dual card slots in the 6D Mark II or the lower versions on the Canon EOS series. I would like to point out that the 6D Mark ii has Bluetooth /NFC and wifi capability and you can use a Bluetooth to backup your camera photos to your phone or laptop seamlessly while shooting without worrying about card failure.
The dynamic range is poor and why would you spend $2000 on a camera like this when in fact this is a entry level camera?
Will you sheep people EVER quit taking the bait from marketing & advertising spin doctors interested only in more profits, and their obedient media shills... and STOP calling high performing cameras "entry level"??! I **founded** ...
...√ an industrial advertising agency, √ specified and purchased photo microscopy lab equipment as final authority, AND √ shot as a pro from 1982... and OWN -- preferentially & provisionally, as APS-C complements to Sony, Nikon, and soon, Pentax FF (for IMAGE QUALITY-FIRST CONSIDERATIONS in 'field use'): Sony A5000/LCDVF: 3 VFs, in fact... Canon M3/EVF... and Nikon D3400, all replacing Pentax K3 in regular use. They weigh, in TOTAL, about 38.5 ounces loaded. **I "entered" in 1954** with a Leica M3 double stroke RF in my hands. How about you, Mr. Bailey?
"Horses for courses," as the Brits say. Forget the hype. Baa?
because I can't afford the 5D or the 1XD
I'm the guy you talked about. A semi pro Canon 6D shooter who has been excitedly waiting for this upgrade for a year or two. There is zero chance I will buy this camera, so I'm not sure where I go from here. If I didn't have the investment in the glass I have I'd be looking at other manufacturers. I'm very disappointed with Canon. In the mean time maybe I look for a used MKIII as I can't justify Mark IV money on my usage. Thanks for a great review and a huge thumbs down to Canon.
I was looking at 6D is it worth getting or am i just better off with the 80D
Get the 80D. I was about to order the 6Dii when the dynamic range problem, tests occur, so I went for the 80D, which i could sent back after the first reviews of the 6Dii would hit the net, if it would fare better.... I was on my edge here when the high iso came, but rejoiced on my 80D choice for the PP, DR
At least after this review, I'm happy with the 80D... ALL-I video for grading (does the 6Dii only have IPB?). 7Fps,... best dynamic range in the sub 2000€ segement for canon... The DR on low iso is really good. Like really good...
80D is the best bang for the buck right now for Canon Users, if you don't want to switch...
I was also considering Sonys but I want a work horse and am invested in Canon lenses, which Canon's cameras are. Sony low battery life, overheating, compressed raws (but the DR is nice)....
I second this...new 80D owner and love this camera. Recently moved away from mirrorless back to dslr. For the money you can't really go wrong with it.
Thanks for the review, guys!
Interesting to see your comparison between the Rebel, the 5D IV and the 6D II in dynamic range. It made me think it would be great to see a real life comparison between sensor sizes. I shoot micro 4/3 and have always assumed that full frame would knock out my small sensor in dynamic range. But it would be really fun to see how much of a difference the sensor size really makes when you shoot portraits or landscapes.
why u even bother, just re upload the 6d hand on vid from 5 years ago
max factor legit truth XD
It may be worse than the original 6D.
lmao
The reason is that there's less dynamic range and worse video than the original 6D lol
Why you even bother commenting
The 6DMKii is light years ahead of what I used for nearly 15 years. I chuckle when they say it is a entry level camera for those who is stepping up to full frame, I'm coming from a full frame 5d mkI. DIGIC II processor and a 35.8 x 23.9 mm full-frame CMOS sensor with 13.3 million pixels (12.7 megapixel effective) and a pixel density of 1.5 megapixels per square centimetre. ISO speeds from 100 to 1600 are provided, adjustable in 1/3 steps (ISO can be expanded to L: 50 or H: 3200 with a menu function). The ISO 50 setting reduces dynamic range by a stop in the highlights.
think either i would save up for a 5D4 and meanwhile stick with aps-c and good glass (sigma 18-35mm, 50-100mm, etc)
The truthful review of this camera that should have been released three years ago because that is where its technology is from.
Great review!!! Its unfortunate that Canon had did so many wrong choices on 6D II tho...
So for someone that's wanting to get back in the canon full frame world.... Does it make more sense to just buy the original 6D and save the money? The prices of the 6D on the used market are dropping. You can pick up one for around 700/800.
That being said it sucks. Big. Entry level? Price is not.
The rebel/80d is entry level this is a budget FF
Berno Bruvn Mikcalson But we're still not getting full features that we should. The a7ii has s-log for example. And a headphone jack and clean hdmi output. All of those should be had on the 6D ii in my opinion as well
No it's not, which is the frustrating part. No one is going to buy a $2000 camera first, and for the rest of us it's a non-starter. "Entry level FF" means nothing because FF is fundamentally not entry level.
Joshua Koerner I don't disagree, but the A7 series is closer to where the 5D sits on the scale. So far only canon and Nikon have budget FF cameras under the flagship and pro level cameras. I do feel like people are ignoring the awesome cinema line that's designed for video first and foremost though
Joshua Koerner Finally, someone else who understands the fundamentals. God, I'm tired of this "entry full frame" crap. It's full frame... that's already beyond entry level.
I a 80D and 6D user (started with the 80D and got a budget 6D for the full frame DOF) and won't be upgrading to the mark II either. I've been wanting to sell both of the cameras and upgrade to a single body, but it would be crazy to spend that amount of money on a 6DII.
A couple of weeks ago, I went to a Canon store to be introduced to the new camera and it was just a series of disappointments. I asked Canon's rep guy about the motorized mirror box (from the 80D and 5DIV) and it wasn't there. 1080p ALL-I (80D): not present. Not to mention 4K, max shutter speed, max flash sync speed and cards slots... even the representative couldn't believe. And we didn't even know about dynamic range...
I guess the only Canon option I could even consider would be the 5DIV, but it's a salty one. It's crazy how little they are offering with the new 6D compared to their lineup and the whole market. They killed this series for me, handicaping the camera so much.
Canon is so predictable that I called all of these shortcomings weeks ago. I have no clue who’s making the decisions over there, but even worse, who’s green lighting those decisions. Sheesh!
Canon could not outdo the pro models With this entry Level camera I Guess.
It's the bloke who is green lighting the decisions who is is making the decisions.
Very fair review, agree with it. As a 6DM1 user, I still upgraded to the mark 2. I can confirm that details in low exposure areas are completely destroyed, it reminds me of my old 60D. I'm still happy overall though, the AF, resolution bump and the swivel screen were sufficient incentive for me to upgrade. But being $2000, almost everyone else (Nikon, Sony, Panasonic, Pentax) have better bodies at the price point. The 80D is the most damning competition of all, actually. Most people looking for what the 6DM2 can do, should look at the 80D. It's half the price and basically the same, albeit at APS-C focal lengths.
Sony a7II - 1500€ - entry level sony ff camera
Canon 6d MK2 - 2100€ - entry level canon ff camera
Sony a7II - 1/8000 shutter speed, 1/250 flash sync, a real IBIS, zebras, focus peaking and histogram on the evf, incredible dynamic range for the price, you can adapt every lens ever made
Canon 6D MK2 - 1/4000 shutter speed, 1/180 flash sync, digital ibis that warp alot, no zebras or focus peaking, poor dynamic range compared to other ff cameras of the same price, you can adapt only a poor amount of lenses.
With the canon 6d mk2 you have an articulated screen and dual pixel af but bad codec, wtf canon?
You can find at lower price and better specs the nikon d750 or 610, sony a7 or sony a7II, a used canon 5D Mk3, or a pentax (yeah i know...)
This camera imho is only for who has invested a lot on the canon system and don't have the money for a better model, cause canon is overpriced but has a complete all around lens system, this is what canon has, the system of third and first party lenses, nothing more because she is not that competitive when even a 3 years old nikon do a better job on the sensor side.
CrexTV I just bought the 6D (original) over the A7 ii because of the selection and affordability of Canon and Tamron EF glass. Sony just doesn't have much to choose from in the lens department and the good Zeiss glass simply isn't affordable. Otherwise the Sony is a better body. I have a Panasonic G85 for video, so that played into my decision as well.
Christopher Poole I understand your perspective re price of lenses. How many do you have / need?
Its raining Field Tests, TCST is benchmark of genuine reviews. Great video as always.
You know this camera sucks when Mike Drew doesn't make an appearance in this review.
i'm a Canon 5D user. Even since I got the Olympus e-p2 and then the Olympus OM-D EM-5, I've seldom used the 5D anymore. I don't think i'll ever want to use such a bulky camera again. So, I was hoping the 6D would one day become a great camera, so that I can use the excellent Canon lenses once again on a lighter, smaller 6D. However, the way Canon neglect their updates has been really disappointing.
This body was a little disappointing. No 4k, no headphone jack, one card slot, 97% viewfinder. I kinda expected those, given Canon's ways of attempting to funnel their users into buying more expensive equipment, but I always hoped the sensor would show the same improvements seen in other Canon cameras. Using a well worn 600D and Fuji looks a lot more attractive every day.
I've leased a 6D and it still produces some nice results and intend to lease an 80D too. Not big on the FF hype, APSC is just fine given a fast enough lens and Fuji offers that.
Simple .... Don't confuse the public. 6D mark ii is a great camera for first time full frame users. From APSC its a good leap towards perfection. 90% of the users are for still photography. If you need 4K video then go for Sony Latest brands. My images speaks the positive leap in to 6d mark ii. I am sleepless i want to use it all 24hrs. Few drawbacks here and there are on all equipments just forget it. Dear entry level Full Frame photographers , please don't hesitate, you can close your eyes and buy this camera. It's awesomeeeee !! And if you have more money , then buy the king of DSLR s.. Canon 5D mark iv.
Canon is redifinging the expression "resting on their laurels"... I know who this camera is for: people who still think that in 2017, full frame dslr are a must have if you want to be considered some type of "professional"... I am a canon shooter (5d3) and after shooting with fuji mirrorless (xpro2 and xt2) for the past month, how am I supposed to not resist the temptation to dump all my canon gear (and save some money in the process) and go with fuji?
At this point I would seriously set the dynamic range from the Nikon D3300 as the benchmark for all these flagship cameras. First D5 and now 6DII both seem to be very bad at dynamic ranges
Even if anything else would be great, the capability to get the most in PP and the potencial of DR are too important today (the possibility to shoot in low light with much lower ISO, and then push the file 2-3EV up to get a regular image without noise, is something too good to be left when you try it and it works), so "no thanks" Canon, you have to try harder.
You should always try to chose the right ISO in terms of even exposure. Raising the shadows usually produces more noise than going with the ISO you need. Of course, you shouldn't overexpose when you want to maintain details in the highlights.
Hubieee problem is when you can't bracket shots, and have to expose for the sky and the land or whatever. There're a lot of situations where in order to get detail in one you lose the detail in the other just because of very contrasty lighting. Those plentiful real world scenarios are part of the problem-they aren't accommodated for in this camera
There are situations where you can´t push the ISO, and with ISO-less sensors you can do much with this method, but the DR must be there. And not even talking about wide range bracketings...
Joshua exactly. People who keep repeating the good old "learn to expose correctly!" have probably forgotten that in some real-world scenarios the scene is so contrasty that you can't expose "correctly", or the subject is moving so bracketing shots is not possible. Dynamic range is the way to go.
have you experienced any issue with shooting with Liveview on the Sigma lens? I saw you posted the sample images of the camera with the Sigma 85mm art lens. I just got my copy yesterday and realized that I run into "error message 70" everytime shooting through liveview with a Sigma lens.
Canon, the company who updates their cameras every 4 years with 4 year-old technology! Way to go, Canon!
I've heard about it, but knowing how passionate are the creators, is awesome!
Finally i can drop the raw! Here i come jpg :-)
OK now people are complaining about the supposedly "bad" DR and high ISO performance, saying that it's even a bit worse than the old 6D. Now first HDR mode eliminates DR issues, and downsampling 26 MP images down to 20 MP (6D resolution) might clean up some noise. Besides that:
CanonWatch has rumors of a firmware update coming in September for the 6D mark II. And it may or may not improve DR and/or high ISO performance, or may/may not add some other feature(s) like ALL-I recording or even 4K video (but that's unlikely). The reason why I think it might help the 6D2's performance is this:
Canon did handicap this camera to protect their 5D mark IV. Now, they either did this by using old sensor tech or by handicapping the firmware. I'm inclined to believe they handicapped the firmware; there's no reason to use old sensor tech when you can achieve the same effect with firmware. Plus with firmware, you CAN fix it in case of a huge PR problem (which Canon DOES have right now). Besides, B & H's page on the 6D mark II explicitly says that *the 6D mark II's sensor offers improved low light performance compared to the old 6D*. There's another reason why it might be the firmware's fault and NOT the sensor's. And in that case they could fix the firmware and it would be a great camera, challenging the D750. Or it might even be a slight hardware update like they did to the 5D4 to add C-LOG.
Plus, if you notice, DXOmark has not released their scores for the 6D2 yet. Hopefully they'll wait until after the firmware update, to see what exactly the firmware update did to help the camera. Perhaps DXO is deliberately waiting for the firmware update, and that's a good thing if you ask me.
I've been taking the 6D Mk II negative reviews with a grain of salt so far, but I'm afraid this one has put the last nail in the coffin for me. I can overlook the majority of faults and omissions, but the dynamic range is the kicker. That's the whole point for me shooting in RAW in order to bail out my poor technic, lol. I really wanted to move up to a full frame sensor from my M3, but now I'm considering sticking with APS-C and getting a Fuji X-T2 instead. I love the thought of having the option of shooting old school style.
CHRIS LJ The Xt2 is a great camera and I have a 6D. I borrowed my friends and loved the camera and I was surprised by the quality of the pics. The colors and sharpness are excellent! The Fuji lenses are excellent at a reasonable price.
LR does an excellent job with RAF files now. Skin tones are perfect on the Xt2.
Thanks for the confirmation Ryan.
Chris you might want to wait for some time, there are rumors going that there will soon be an X-T2 successor with sensor stabilization. Other than that, you will love the Fuji system. The handling is very comfortable and all lenses are really good.
Wow, built in image stabilization would be fantastic. Thanks for the tip Alexander.
I own a 6D and a 5D4, and I'm buying this one to replace my original 6D. It is an upgrade from the previous one, and I don't need it for video. Thanks for the in-depth review!
***GOOD REVIEW... BORING/UNIMAGINATIVE CAMERA***
BTW: You're looking funky and dignified with that grey hair growing in, Chris...
I've been doing a lot of research lately, A/Bing the 6D Mark II against the 5D Mark III and was wondering what your thoughts on that are? I do a lot of family photography as well as occasional weddings and nature photography so I'm trying to find a camera with strong autofocus to capture quick moving people/children. I was hoping to spend somewhere around the $2000 price range. Any help/suggestions/thoughts would be hugely appreciated! Thanks!
I heard Canon cams have sucky dynamic range, but I didn't know it's that bad :o
Do you believe you can still get a correct/ the desired composition using the viewfinder without focus and recomposing? Or are the AF-Points not spread wide enough?
I made the mistake of being an early adopter and found it the same or marginally worse than the 80D in just about every way.
Did you return it?
Bobby mind explicating further?
ARXV Photo Yes, which I really hate doing, but it was obvious after just a few test shot comparisons that there are little or no perceived gains in the IQ/noise/DR department.
I don't want anyone to think I'm Canon bashing, as it still is a pretty great all-around camera if you must have FF for some reason, but the 2X price of the 80D could not be justified for me. I suspect many will go for the 5D IV or a different brand once more reviews come out.
Joshua - I took replicate sample shots in a variety of situations, low light, shadow lifting/highlight dropping in post, color, etc., and compared the images. What I found was no significant gains with any of my comparisons.
This might have been the tipping point for me to get the 5D IV as an existing 6D user. There's no real benefits except size and a flippy screen, and of course cost. With a large investment in lenses it'd feel like a waste getting this camera. Great Review as usual guys.
It's partly Canon hardliners fault. If you go the Canon related forum you'll see lol.
"if you want 4k get a video camera"
"if you want dynamic range, well you should've become a better photographer"
"at least it doesn't overheat"
Fanboys... Fuck em, these are the only people Canon listens too. It's like showing your shitty drawing to a family member they're always gonna praise you no matter what.
Raditram canon seems to prioritize listening to yes men than to things that genuinely challenge what they think
They way I see it, they're like the Toyota of Camera manufacturers. Sure it's boring, it's "beige", but they're also reliable, has wide dealership network and would probably retain a better reselling value, but it's a fucking Toyota, no one aspires to own a camry. Canon is all business man. Minimum R&D, proven technology, lower manufacturing cost, maximum guaranteed return. I don't know if they're being too conservative or maybe they're trying to go out of this (camera) business. As a Canon users of 6 years man, I just don't understand their anti innovation attitude, how can you progress if you're afraid of failing. Sony might churn out half-baked innovative product that overheats every 5 minutes, but I'm pretty they're learning new stuff on every iteration of their new product.
My back is crying out for a Canon camera with tilting screen and two card slots for my weddings. Is that two much to ask for? Good review as always
Canon, Nikon : *Dinosaurs*
_We are too Big To Fail_
Sony, Fuji, Panny, Oly : *Mammals*
_We need to Grow Bigger Brain to compensate our Small Body_
I'm a Lumix fanboy, but I'll admit only one of those brands is really competing with Canikon and that's Sony. Olympus said themselves that the Em1 Mk II was aimed at existing users (duh, great way to grow the market), and it's release was overshadowed by the GH5. Speaking of which, it's a big seller for Panasonic, but still a drop in the ocean when it comes to markets share.
May PoolQueen Tru Dat
simianinc
Be optimistic, Oly finally making profit (2016)
after 7 years in a row losing profit.
Thanks for the help from Sony,
_(stocks buying & tech injection)_
And oly still famous for making gorgeous camera.
That's a great way to be thinking about it
I used to be a 6D owner. Canon have great color, ergonomics, and menus. DPAF is incredible too. I wish they put that tilt screen on every camera. These are all good features, and I'm sure this camera is a lot of fun to shoot with, but I'm glad I didn't wait for it. It's going to be a fine stills camera. The problem is that the 6D is a fine stills camera. Even the 5D Mark I is a fine stills camera. The 60D is still a fine stills camera if your looking for a cheap DSLR. In 2017, Canon users deserve more than just a fine stills camera. I bought a 5D IV after making peace with its short comings. It had most of the things I was looking for in an upgrade (that price tag though). I can't imagine 6D owners saying that they wanted less dynamic range and subpar video features at this price. What a weird camera.
The existing 6D users (me) has upgraded to 5D mark IV. I hope all the other existing 6D user upgrade to Sony A7R II or wait for A7 III. Canon is suicidal.
screw canon. I'm going Fuji.
i just sold my Canon 7D Mark II kit, minus a 50mm 1.4 because i still have a cheapo film camera, to fund a Fujifilm X-T2 and some lenses... i'm very happy with the decision! and it actually has 4K recording! i've also got a Sony α7II on the side for my full frame fix ^^
Would not touch Sony with a barge pole, rented one to try total crap battery life lasted next to no time, Canon may have issues but you know you will get about a full days shoot with the battery.
untouchable360x I'm wanting to do the same
jesse goodburne that sounds like perfection! 😇 what do you think of the x-t2?
Hey ! Hi TCS T.V.. I've 80D with me and Considering the Fact that 6D ii is a Full-Frame would you suggest 6D ii has a worthy replacement ? I'd shoot Videos More than Photos. Thanks a lot for the information, Was Waiting for this one.
Canon needs a total shakeup, I don't get what the logic is with their camera lineup. They're voluntarily giving up the prosumer and even some pro market share to Sony.
@ ARXV Photo... That's almost complete rubbish! That's exactly right -- you DON'T get it. Bigtime. Cite your EVIDENCE, please... if you can (you can't). Canon has EXPANDED their market share lead over Nikon for the last 5 years, are moving rapidly into #2 market share in MILCs worldwide, and show no meaningful sign of having cannibalized their con$umer DSLR bu$iness in the proce$$. Go ahead, sir, PREDICT where Canon is going to land financially when their contemporary strategy has played out more in, say, five years. That's what THEY think about.
Do you understand that Canon is a big corporation whose ~ 17% of revenue from the camera-lenses' division is primarily about profit, not stirring the loins of camera forum 'internet experts'? Do you ever read about this industry and Canon's place in it in the financial pages? Are you qualified as a businessman or capital investor to make the **broad generalizations** you made credibly? You know what my provisional opinion of that is.
Just to be very clear, via some measure of redundancy: It's about THE ENTIRE DIVISION'S 'BOTTOM LINE', now, and going forward.
Frederick J. Ok so what you're saying is… you still shoot Canon? Lol.
6D 2 is pretty bad ass, now the it can be had for $1699....
The 6D mkii and the (refurbished) 5D mk iii are exactly the same price right now. Can we get an in depth comparison between them? How's the 1080 quality of them both look? How about the DR? I'd love to see the high ISO in video with them shot side by side :)
Thanks!
I'd say, if you want to upgrade from a 6D, get the 80D. Smaller sensor, but better at just about everything. The 6D MkII is a complete failure.
You know the difference between FF and APS-C? The high ISO of the 6D mk II is significantly better than that of the 80D, the DR may be not, but well.
Still, there are some artistic differences as well, namely less depth of field etc.
ArumesYT it almost sounds like you haven't used full frame cameras.
No, I have no idea of the differences, I just said the 80D has a smaller sensor by accident. Duh... BTW, in the video Chris says the low light performance of the 6DII is only marginally better, not significantly. DOF can be an issue IF you use FF with max aperture lenses wide open a lot , but in real life shooting, APS-C lens apertures are large enough in most cases.
Hubieee one can also use FF large aperture lenses on aps-c bodies in order to replicate that ff experience through equivalence. Hence a 24 f/1.4 would be about the same as a 35 f/1.8-2 or so.
The difference between the original 6D and the 6D mark ii is the brand equity canon built with the former and is losing with the latter
Then better directly switch to an APS-C commited company like Fujifilm or even mFT from Pana or Oly for all the size benefits. Though the 80D is a great body... the Canon lens lineup is not optimized for APS-C... all the good lenses are full-frame - so they are bigger, as necessary, focal-length not really match etc.
Sadly even the best mFT sensors seem to be able to compete with this 4-times bigger Fullframe in dynamic-range... and the X-Trans III APS-C clearly surpasses it in DR. High-Iso still may favour the 6D Mk2... but not by far - and least for my style of shooting, the times I could have needed the "night-vision like ISOs" of 6400 or higher are almost non existent.
Any plans to review the Canon SL2/200D? For me it was the more interesting camera announced alongside the 6D Mark ii. Just over half the weight of the 80D with the same sensor and many of the same features.
Summary: If you are looking for an entry level FF DSLR get a Nikon D750!
Danny B. Nope. It just got recalled. Dont even go near the D750.
Get a Sony A7II or wait for A7III
Mohammed Fuadh have you ever shot with D750? I had and mine was affected, however I was never able to replicate the problem myself. It is a fantastic camera. These issues are blown out of proportion
Nikon replaces the entire shutter mechanism of the D750s that are affected. Most are affected so you can pick up a used one and send it for effectively a new camera
Really though, why even get a FF DSLR at this point if all u can afford is the entry level one? :P This canon is basically a no-go and the 750 is getting old. Maybe Nikon does a refresh soon.
Looking to get my first full frame camera...trying to decide between this 6D and a Nikon D780. Any recommendations?
I’ve had a Canon T5i before..
Primarily uses are landscapes & Portraits with some sports sprinkled in.
You could have a d750 + Sigma Arts Prime for nearly the same money. It shows once again Canon is more interested market segmentation than anything else
I have the original 6D and I have used it since it came out in 2013, I don't see myself will upgrade to the Mrk II, I am really disappointed the lack of 4K. I shot a lot of videos, may go SONY or Panasonic in the future
Perfect so it's time. I have been saying it for a while now. It's clear going to the garage to find the camera box and walk away from canon.
How does compare the video quality of the 6d mark II with respect to the older 6d? One of the main issues of the 6d were the aliasing artifacts: I hope that the new models has been improved.
Also, is it possible to manually set the audio levels, during the video recording (on the older model it was possible only before the recording)?
Who is this camera for? No one , it is strictly to steer you to a 5d mkiv.
The best reviews on the web. Chris could host a television show.
Awesome video mate ! Thank you !
Hello professor . I have some questions . Should I buy 6d mark 2 or 90d ? I need a camera can performance in low light . The reason I don't like 6d mark ii is all focus points clumed in the middle . 90d is crop sensor but it has 8 digic . They are the same price . Please help.
Four years technology
The clustered AF area in the centre of the frame negates the usefulness of those 41 points.
In essence, it's still a focus-recompose camera, which is not good when shooting wide open using faster glass.
To sum up: Canon (DSLR) dumps their customers, so just dump Canon.
Canon still has the best wi-fi utility and camera software on the market, by a wide margin.
In terms of "ecosystem" Sony and Nikon have a long way to go, I don't see that changing any time soon (snap bridge was a disaster).
The upcoming SL2 is probably the best entry level SLR ever made, and the T7i could probably serve as a professional body for any environment that doesn't need weather sealing.
Bud The Cyborg LOL! How the hell do you come to the conclusion that Nikons eco system has a long way to go before reaching Canon?
Did you watch the video? The sensor of the 6D mk II is a setback, no doubt. But AF and settings are far superior... PhotoTec comes to the same conclusion (try to adjust aperture in Manual mode when taking photos for example...)
Hubieee the only place Canon is excelling right now is with their video due to the DPAF, but surprise, no 4K in their cameras hahahha
Why? Still some of the best lenses and pro support in the market. They also have actual Cinema cameras and proper pro level cameras that are completely sorted out without needing recalls. The 6D was alway gimped sadly
I love this channel ! Whenever I want to get a little more info on the camera that I'm looking for I always come to this channel. Great channel amazing content.
All I needed to know ! Thanks.
Would you say the video is better then a 60D ? and comparing to the Canon G30 would it be under that? thanks
I fucking love Chris I could watch his pretty lookin' ass reviewing camera gear all day (no homo)
Quite unfortunate that Canon consistently blows opportunities to recollect its dedicated users with a new, outstanding line of pro DSLR's with competitive, uncompromising higher end features. I never thought I'd even consider jumping ship, having shot Canon from the AE-1 at the tennis U.S. Open in NYC and the original EOS-1 35mm film. It's been "almost there but not quite" for years. Sony, Fuji, Nikon, Sigma have all SIGNIFICANTLY stepped up their game. I scratch my head with each new release, hoping that they'll get it right this time. The 5D Mk IV serves my purpose (let's not talk about those HUMONGOUS vid files). Needless to say, I'm heavily invested in Canon gear but Sony and its G master line is starting to look tempting....The crazy part is...Canon doesn't seem to give a ****.
i like that Lens : 100mm f/2 USM it is under-rated, is almost like an L Glass, and a younger bro of 135mm f/2 L
Chirag Parikh Yes. 50mm 1.4, 85mm 1.8, 100mm 2. Good images, great autofocus.
100mm f/2 USM is really a great lens!
i want a camera with a faster auto focus and great in low light and i'm happy. i take wonderful pictures but i have to ask you this question do you use auto focus or manual mode when you're taking your pictures? and since it's a full frame camera which lens do you use for your camera i like what i see i wanted the canon 6d but somebody said the mark 2 is the better one
Very honest review 👏👏👏👌
2 years later - i got this camera for 1k$ brand new. And i am a a7R3 user, lol. But DSLR is another feeling.
Canon..." have you seen our Cine line?"
Puppet Master Yeah their entry level C100 mkii is $7000 AUD and still doesn't shoot 4K. Canon is cynically counting on the fact that their existing user base has made an investment in Canon lenses and is therefore hesitant to switch brands. The thing about this is Canon think they can serve a camera which is clearly inferior to its 3 year old nearest competitor. Here in Oz the 6d mkii is $2700 body only. I can get a Sony A7 ii and metabones adapter and still have change. The Sony will give me IBIS, better video, and better DR.
I think it would be pretty good with at least 5D IV levels of DR, but with this sensor it's a NO. DR is about the most important aspect of image quality in 2017.
grab a used a7Rii for about the same price, and you'll never look back
I would. Autofocus is still behind.
dumkopf
No, 4D Focus comparable with Dual Pixel AF
ummm..ok.. then put the sony 85mm f1.8 on that used a7Rii, use the eye AF function, and proceed to shit yourself and never look back
In fairness, a used a7rii that's about the same price is gonna be in pretty rough condition from what I've seen-but your point is otherwise totally valid
You`ll never look back, and you`ll rarely look up. You`ll be struggling with the 7`s shitty menu system all day and changing batteries every 45 minutes. And what lens will you have on that used 7r2? Shitty expenisive? Good super-expensive? Crappy adaptors ? Even comparing the Canon ecosystem to Sony`s is ludicrous.
I guess I'll keep my 5DII and 70D. I was going to get the 5DIV but waited to see this camera's features first. I do like the wifi and GPS capability. Rumor says that a mirrorless offering is in the works.