Historian Falsely Claims Her Family Members Died in Holocaust | Marie Sophie Hingst Case Analysis
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- Опубліковано 19 лип 2022
- This video answers the question: Can I analyze the case of Marie Sophia Hingst?
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That's unreal. That's like there was this lady that lied about being a survivor of the 9/11 terror attack. She told like graphic vivid stories and collected money. And she wasn't even there. There's some lines you just don't cross man.
Dr. Grande did a video on her.
Reminds me of the Norm McDonald joke where he was searching for his brother through the bones and rubble from the twin towers and someone asks "did you find him?" And he goes "yeah he was up in Canada"
If you’re referring to Tanya Head, she was bonkers but she didn’t collect money. That’s why they weren’t able to press charges against her.
@@Aaron-kj8dv omfg!!! Norm is a legend!! 🤣👏🤣👏🤣👏
Man that lady was coocoo
“Narcissists rarely have a back up plan, because having one would imply that they have a potential to fail.” - This is such an interesting point!
Like Sophie, I think many people use victimization as a way to feel special. The problem is that victimization always comes at the cost of somebody else. People may devote time, money or emotional resources to help the “victim,” that never existed in the first place.
Brilliant analysis Dr. Grande, thank you.❤️
Not only do people who perpetually play the victim as part of their self-identity waste the time of people trying to help them, but they also need to create an abuser around them who is the foil to their victim.
So if you're around them at all, they will use you to fill that role and gaslight you into believing that this is what's happening. They will tell others about you and what you've done to them, not specifics of course, they will just use labels like "abuser" to describe you because giving details would allow the listener to draw their own conclusions, and they don't want that.
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It just amazes me how people make claims like this and assume no one will ever question or investigate
I think it’s because it’s such a sensitive topic people don’t want to look like an ass for calling someone out
@@juliemiller6966 Yeah, she shouldn't have done that, but in the end she didn't hurt anyone and certainly wasn't a fraudster. I'm sure that Wiki article calling her such (she did not commit fraud as far as I'm aware) contributed to the premature end to her life. The media have a responsibility to give us news that actually matters, and there was no reason for Der Spiegel (an otherwise excellent media outlet that has exposed dopers in athletics among many other things) to go after a complete unknown.
It does often take quite a while for people to investigate. And there probably are a few people who lied about it and didn't get caught.
@@markgriffiths9377 Actually she did hurt others by taking their positions/doing seminars about her fake family history. Also was highly involved in the Jewish Society at Trinity College.
@@markgriffiths9377 lol you must pretend your family died in the Holocaust too
As someone who had a family member who actually survived the Holocaust (grandpa), trust me, they aren’t sitting around HAVING GARDEN PARTIES to reminisce.
Some unfortunately make a career out of it like now deceased Elie Wiesel who pretended he was in the camps and of Hungarian Jewish origin . He didn't have the tattoo on his arm , the picture he showed of him as an emaciated prisoner standing with other prisoners could not be him . At that moment he was 15/16 and the guy on photo had a receding hairline. He also didn't speak Hungarian , his name was never on the German prisoners' list .
@@djolivierastro I 100% believe Elie Wiesel. With that said it's your prerogative to say whatever opinions you have, but let it be very clear you are not supported by the majority. I know you think you are some kind of truth finding shining star, but other people are not idiots either and they also can think for themselves.
I mean saying that someone has a recedinghairlines means they are not a teenager is strange. Most people who are starving (or even have serious calorie restriction) lose head hair. Further, we had boys at my highschool (only a few in around 1500 students) who had male pattern baldness in their teenage years.
I don't know the person who you are talking about but I am just mentioning this because medical information is important and your information on male head hair is incorrect.
@@missJolie85 so the factual observations , the fact a real Jewish survivor whose name was on the inmates' list of the camp [ Miklosz Green] did NOT recognize Elie Wiesel at all , Wiesel not speaking Hungarian , absent tattoo etc does not sound bizarre?
@@missJolie85 of course I'm not supported by the majority , most likely because they have and likely won't ever hear this . I am not really surprised
I would have chosen a more interesting subject for a doctoral thesis, but I respect Sophie's Choice.
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F'ing brilliant
Ugh. 😂
My father would lie about things that were mostly inconsequential but made him look better, helping a famous person bc of the job he had, owning more land than he actually did etc. He was very accomplished in life so it was odd to me he would make these things up. A couple people have described him as a narcissist. Having seen some of these videos about narcissists it makes more sense now. Thank you Dr.
Slip & slide, take a ride!
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Had a former family friend growing up that I didn't even realize he was a narcissist til later in life. He seemed rather successful former fighter pilot but it came to light that he always told grander stories of those accomplishments and since he was very consistent about those tales like he didn't increase embellishment with each retelling what you think might be the case, many didn't catch on until much later when his ego started showing. His marriage ended and it came to light through their divorce she was the major bread winner for most of the marriage and was far more successful career wise. Apparently he couldn't take that so during their whole marriage he literally told everyone he made more, he controlled the bank account, and that she couldn't balance a checkbook if her life depended on it but he never said this when she was around of course and she never openly disputed it but knowing his bad temper I can see why. Well the truth came out during the divorce that she made twice as much as him, she had to have a separate bank account to pay bills with because otherwise he would spend all of it before anything was paid for on alcohol and gambling (nobody knew about his gambling addiction), and that he legitimately tried to go after her for alimony payments though he had a decent paying job (upper middle class with several vacation homes, about to retire and he had a full pension) which his lawyer was even trying to talk him out of going for. He couldn't stand it when people found out or when he thought she was doing really well and would bad mouth her to everyone so he literally alienated and drove away all family and friends because he couldn't get past any of it.
my x-husband lied about things that didnt even benifit him. 🙄
Joe biden does the same. Even though he was a senator since he was 29 he lies about being a truck driver when talking to truckers. He's the president yet felt the need to impress truck drivers by lying. That's a narcissist
That is so sad. With her talents, education, and imagination, she could have been a famous novelist or an inspiring history professor. So sorry it was wasted for the world.
Not really.
@@bobjones4469 Yes, you're right because she did complete a lot of research that can be used by others. Have you ever completed any research. It's a lot of work
Well according to Dr. Grande some of her data was factually inaccurate.
@@zebeart8808 Research from a person that fabricates historical events sounds very credible and beneficial for society. 😐😐😐
i’m surprised the term “pathological liar” did not come up once here
Not diagnosing is in his disclaimer
Just try "criminal "
@@wespaul9345 No that is officially the title of the deniers who are jailed. Lies to millions the other way is not criminal it seems.
@@dw3403mentioning the phrase is not the same as diagnosing someone.
Pathological liar is not a mental disorder
Calling someone out on being a liar and a fraud is never wrong. Too many people hide behind their “mental illness” and use it as an excuse to do terrible things.
EVERYONE lies to a degree...it's something you learn as a child
@@johndonaldson3619 thanks for clarifying that? Idk what your point is
Pathological lying is indeed a mental illness. But they are uncontrollable liars so regardless of it being an illness they are not qualified to be in a job that requires honesty 😂
@@johndonaldson3619pathological lying is a different thing.
Pathological liars are compulsive liars. They basically can't control it. It's a mental illness prevalent among orphans or emotional orphans.
It's mainly identity lies. Fictional stories and descriptions of themselves.
These are people who will just make up a story every time someone else says anything and tell you they did the same thing.
They are very disturbing to be around because you know there's a real person somewhere in there but they lie so totally about their identity that its very creepy to deal with them because you know they are like a fictional robot exterior and you are not interacting with a real personality. It's like dealing with an aI because its all artificial. It's unnerving and uncanny.
It's not just normal fibbing.
When people lie occasionally they do it typically to avoid some consequences big or small.
Pathological liars lie for no reason, they gain nothing, they mostly disturb and unnerve people, they typically are NOT scamming or stealing. Just making up stories about themselves and sometimes others just to have attention of any kind for a brief moment. It's sad really.
Thing is, if you interrupt their lie or confront them they can get ugly or even violent.
A woman who was a serious pathological identity liar faked a pregnancy and didn't want to be caught so she murdered a woman she knew and cut the baby out just so she could say she had given birth. She didn't even care if the baby survived she didn't want a baby, she wanted to keep the identity lie going
@@bw7754he's trying to justify lying like everyone does it.
Regular people lie for completely different reasons and in different ways than pathological liars.
What the mom said kind of struck a chord with me. When I was a teenager I met someone my age on a forum for my favorite band and we hit it off. We talked online or on the phone almost every day for close to three years and I helped her through some difficult things. Then she ghosted me and I was so worried something bad had happened (she talked a lot about hurting herself). Years after that she contacted me to apologize and explain that she had actually been in her thirties, married with kids, and she'd made up literally everything she told me about herself. I guess she was bored so she created a whole new online life for herself starting over as a teenager, and when her husband finally figured out why she spent so much time on the computer he threatened to leave if she didn't stop it. So she ghosted me and all her other online friends to try to salvage her marriage (didn't work in the end). I couldn't be friends with her after all the lying, but I still feel like that persona and that life she created online was one part of who she really was/is that she didn't know how to share otherwise. Not to excuse anything Marie or my old friend did, because those lies hurt people, but I can kind of understand what the mom meant by only having access to one of Marie's realities.
I find it a bit ironic that one of my great-grandfather's brothers did in fact die in the Holocaust, but this has never in any way made me feel particularly special - 6 million other people's relatives did as well. But had I been able to obtain a PhD, I would have felt quite special, and quite proud of my accomplishment. It seems like her identity, which she had no control over, was more important than her achievements, which she did. Am I the only one who finds this completely backwards?
YES! Completely. Gosh if id got a PhD I would not stop talking about it and feel validated for life. Wouldn't cross my mind if a distant ancestor was in the Holocaust.
K.Hecht. That's a really good point.
People in PhD programs soon realize that they're no longer the smartest in the room, therefore they have to embellish themselves in other ways.
She was obsessed with history but didn't see herself as part of it. She should have hoaxed something directly related to her PhD work nobody would be offended. Great imagination misdirected. The fact that I already forgot what her PhD was on but that she worked at Intel by the end of video might have had something to do with it. Merkel has a degree in Quantum Chemistry...... Advanced degree in eye rolling. 😂
Wheres the Proof???
Dr. Grande throwin' shade is how i beat the heat in these ol' dog days of summer
Me, too lol
This reminds me of the case of Janet Cooke. She would be another fascinating one for you to cover. In case you're not familiar, Ms. Cooke was a journalist for the Washington Post in the early-1980s. She won the Pulitzer Prize for a story called "Jimmy's World," about an 8-year-old heroin addict. It was later discovered that the story was a fabrication and Ms. Cooke had also falsified her resume.
I agree
James Frey is another one. His “memoir” about drug addiction, _A Million Little Pieces_ , catapulted him into the spotlight when it became a bestseller. He was later exposed for being a huge liar by _The Smoking Gun_ . He bounced back though, he’s still successful but will forever be stained by his past.
@@Andy-xx3tt Recovering from that is extremely impressive, honestly. Gonna look into it!
Stephen Glass is a similar case.
Since you mentioned "Der Spiegel", I would be interested in your thoughts on Claas Relotius. He is a former award-winning and now disgraced journalist who got caught falsifying a couple of high profile articles, essentially making up stories out of thin air.
For a second, I thought you were going to ask about "Dr. Spiegel", the eccentric mental health expert from the Amber Heard trial 🤦♂️
@@Rompler_Rocco I was about to write that!! „Dr. Spiegel 🪞 „ is a masterpiece
I have a narcissist in my immediate family that did something nearly identical. They claimed they were with a very famous person hanging out on the day they died. When they would almost get caught they’d step back, but as soon as they thought they could get away with it they were right back at it. Narcissism is one hell of a drug.
It's a disorder....not a drug. It's actually alarming how narcissists are now demonized as evil people in popular culture. Nobody chooses to be a narcissist.
It's a hell of a crime
A drug that never satisfies.
"I wrote a story about..."
_that's literally all she needed to do and she'd have a glowing authorship career parallel to whatever-the-hell Intel was doing with her..._
She probably used the Holocaust story to get into college/grad school and to get hired by Intel. Similar to Elizabeth Warren becoming the first indigenous peoples professor at Harvard.
True, but I think she wanted the attention and love that comes from empathy, and sadly looked for it in the wrong way.
When I was a little girl our neighbor was a survivor of the Holocaust. This neighbor showed me her tattoo. She was a very nice lady who had me share all the Jewish Holidays with her. Wonderful memories.
This woman upsets me, sorry about her death.
In answer to, What the heck was she thinking just lying her head off like that?!?!...Dr. G: Narcissists rarely have a backup plan because to have one is to admit their potential to fail- THANK YOU DR GRANDE for explaining this so well.
This reminds me of the story of Tania Head, subject of the 2012 documentary The Woman Who Wasn't There. She claimed to have survived and been injured in the 9/11 attacks and that her fiancé died in the attacks, and she ended up becoming fairly well-known as the president of the World Trade Center Survivors' Network support group. In reality, she wasn't even in the U.S. at the time, and she had never met the man she claimed was her fiancé. It seemed to me that she was so wrapped up in her story that she came to believe it actually happened. She put a lot of time and effort into the survivors' network, and some members said she inspired them and helped them get through some difficult times.
Being German, I can see why the Spiegel would publish the story; there is certainly an audience here for learning about individual fates in our horrible history, and thus also for exposing people who make false claims about it.
I feel like this story shows how narcissism can actually cause horrible pain to a person with it. they use the narcissism as a defense mechanism, and even though they often really hurt people around them, their narcism can cause them pain when their illusion is broken
Ikr! They’re so insecure that their whole reality implodes.
Unless your ancestors survived the holocaust, I recommend not lying about it. This was a very tragic, very difficult event in history and the fact that Sophie made a claim for what seemed to be for attention makes me sick
What about Elizabeth Warren and the plight of her American Indian ancestors?
@@drjcw I never heard about that one. What happened?
It was truly the most horrendous & disturbing event of the last century.
Can’t understand why you’d need to lie about having relatives that were victims?
So many,many victims I’m sure many people who are relatives are unaware of it.
But what possible. “gain” could you hope for from such claims???
@@julielevinge266 I have trouble understanding as much. If you’re gonna lie about your family history, say you’re related to Henry VIII somehow. Why choose something so disturbing and horrific? How did she think these lies wouldn’t come back to blow up in her face? What was going through her mind when she was planning out this lie?
@@julielevinge266 Sympathy is the only gain I see for Sophie. Apparently sympathy is something others have lied for also.
As someone who works at a historic site and fact checks the historical documents/materials given to new educators and is OCD about accuracy and being able to point back to a reliable primary source, and only had a bachelor’s degree, it surprises me that she didn’t do her actual job in researching the circumstances surrounding her story just in case anyone decided to fact check her.
She wasn’t able to rise up to being an ultra narcissist, she couldn’t make the transition when she was a child… She stayed as a mid to upper range narcissist and as Dr. grande said… They’re not great at making any back up plans… I’ve seen that an action from a mid range narcissist..Kind of like Meghan Markle, they just think everybody’s a little stupid… And they have an edge… When all they have is their delusions…
do you have OCD or are you just using it as an adjective. I don't think the channel of a mental health provider is the place to use OCD as an adjective. I get that a lot of people do it though so I'm not trying to come after you or anything
@@haleyw5677 Diagnosed with OCD unfortunately. But also using it as an adjective here because it’s one of several (not all) areas of my life that it affects 😕 I also have ADHD so it’s just the MOST fun. 😭
@@haleyw5677 and no worries - in fact, THANK you for protecting people. Including me. So I appreciate you. (Also how silly that most people assume people are coming after them in comments)
@@ZYX84 Meghan markle is SO CRINGEEEEE!!
Seems very bizarre to me. She put herself into the potential to be discovered by posting these false stories that could easily be verified and exposed. Why?
I can picture some executive yelling at recruiters: "It's great that we're making all these millions of dollars with all these IT majors, but we really need to hire someone who understands 17th century Irish history. That's the secret to growth in the microprocesser business." Omg! 😅😅😅 Good one, Dr. G. I don't know what I would do in the morning without your channel!
Seems like she couldn't handle the exposure of having her "mask" ripped off. So many pointless lies led to a needless death. 😢
Stuff her. Lying for bogus attention and sympathy and MONEY when real victims need it. She got what she deserved
I personally have no sympathy for her.. I do not like people who think they have the ability to change reality without putting in the hard work. She put in hard work but only to deceive. She did not do any of the great achievements and like opening the sex education clinic. And I'm not a big fan of girls who go to school to major in girl. Major is like psychology and history. All that easy stuff. And then to get a PhD just for the bragging rights. I hate to see books or Masters thesis for PhD thesis on history which specifically identify a specific time. Like from 1803 to 1877. Not even like pleasing numbers, but that is just the candidate merely carving out a hyper narrow invented subfield for herself that no one else will or cares to ever research and makes them seem like they're very profound. Meanwhile, it's just the other waste of taxpayer dollars and of life energy of a young person
“lost in historical narratives” is
my favorite observation from this episode.
This was outstanding, Doc. You show much compassion for Sophie between the lines.
Her mask was fragile. Others saw it too late.
Thank you!
Some people belong to historical reenactment clubs eg, Society of Creative Anachronisms. Particularly popular in Ireland and England. They dress up and do things as they were in medieval times. They live it. It's an escape from the present.
@@streaming5332 not sure what this has to do with anything, but ok lol 😆
Good to know, bro! 😎👍🏼
This reminds me of the history professor who pretended to be from a poor Hispanic background (Jess La Bombera). An interesting case to analyze as well Dr. Grande. I wonder to what degree these people are products of the postmodern times in which we are living. Identities are considered to be fluid so why not obtain an identity that is interesting and beneficial for your career?
This is a really interesting idea. I wonder if she was exploring this concept on a subconscious level. This fluidity is not helped by the immediacy of social media and dating profiles where people are a lonely product that is momentarily flicked and swiped much like channel hopping. Perhaps she was exploring the idea of painting some depth to her 'profile' as she felt lonely and 2-dimensional and her work and studies didn't provide the contentment she desired so decided to deceive once she had built up the platform and credibility.
It's not a new thing. One time in history Polish nobility "found" miraculously alive heir to Russian crown (the kid died couple years earlier)
The craziest thing about it is that his "mother" went along the story. In the comparison this woman lying about her family being yet another victim of the huge tragedy is not such a big deal
I had a similar experience with a parent that "exaggerated" my Italian lineage. I repeated to my daughters everything she told me. I then discovered d 50+ years later it was all exaggerations. It was a gut punch.
My Irish heritage dad once told my little sister that our family was (descended) from Irish kings. She went to school and told everyone she is a princess! 😆 Dad heard about it and clarified that she was the princess of his heart ❤️
I have an aunt that claimed Native American heritage. But only for her. It was a little odd.
The same thing happened to me with my mother, down to the "exaggeration" of Italian/Sicilian heritage. I suspect since she grew up in an Italian-American neighborhood in NJ back in the day, coupled with the fact that one of her stepfathers was Italian-American, had a lot to do with it. There's a lot of family pride in the Italian culture, especially in the northeast part of the US, so I chalk it up to my mother wanting desperately to fit in and be loved and/or accepted. You're right though, finding out the truth is a real gut punch. It hurts to think about and is downright embarrassing, because it's something that can't be explained without putting your own parent on blast.
@@BunnySlippers82 EXACTLY 💯! Her employer would to tell her she needed approval too much. She was a successful business woman who always needed to do the best/be the best on her job. Lol
@@shelleydunkle7867 shut your filthy mouth! Lol heck no. I'd never admit it if she was, but she definitely wasn't!
I know of a woman who claims to be Arab from a family of Syrian refugees, that her parents were political exiles and she was born while they were on the run before immigrating to the US. The reality is she was born and raised in Florida. Her mom is white and her only ties to Syria is that her biological father is like half Arab. It’s disturbing and fascinating that some people can craft an entire false identity and confidentiality sell it to the world. This woman has a significant Instagram and TikTok following by basically deceiving people into believing she’s a Syrian refugee immigrant and claiming that trauma when none of it happened.
@Aliyah H, totally bizarre!!
As a Syrian-American, that just makes me feel a ton of emotions. Syrian refugees have been through so much devastation. So much horror and sadness. Why claim to be a Syrian refugee if you're not? The trauma that they've been through was so horrendous (and still is).
"Arab" isn't a race. There is no such thing as "Half Arab."
@@m.j.c.6969 Arab/Middle-Eastern is.a race I believe. At least in the US there are boxes to check off for race and Middle-Eastern is present sometimes. Arab essentially translates to Middle-Eastern.
What's her Tic Toc and why hasn't anyone exposed her?
I'm so sorry for Sophie. She seemed to have been talented and competent. I Wish She could have gotten help sooner. But as a pH.D my self I think I beat Sophie's thesis in terms of "strangeness". My thesis was a critical philological edition of medieval vernacular manuscripts on horse medicine. Two volumes, BTW. Hard to beat 😁
😂 that is hilarious!! You're completely serious? Wow! Did you enjoy it?
@@itsruckaswife7036 I am, it's absolutely true. I enjoyed it because it was about reconstructing the family tree out of these five manuscripts and figuring out which came first and which ones had been copied off each other. Also, I made a glossary of medieval tuscan medical terms.
I did learn a thing or two about how to heal horses, by stuffing things in unmentionable body parts and even through charms and spells 😁.
Thanks for asking. I'm an Italian linguist and philologist and currently a school teacher. I have never claimed to descend from the horses in my doctoral thesis, I swear 🤣🤣
@@alessandrac.4417 wtf you got medicine from horses by beating them off?
@@alessandrac.4417 ok creepy bestiality lady
No knowledge is useless… straight from the horse’s mouth!!!
This one is a sad story. My 2 cents, she was lonely and socially awkward and just got caught up in her own fantasies because she lacked the skills to develop normal healthy relationships. Sad though that once exposed she felt her life was so destroyed she thought suicide was her only option. Where was her family? I assume they were following her blog and were aware she was making up all these stories?
RIGHT ON.
Maybe her family was abusive or toxic or dysfunctional. Often dis the unseen filler
@@FlagArmadaProductions could be, we will never know
not sad
..so, she lied?. .. oh, okay. 👌
A very sad case all in all. You mentioned many important aspects, as I am watching from Germany, I wanted to add a thought: I think the fact that all of this took place in Germany, i.e. the scene of the holocaust, made the whole thing even more dramatic. As you explain, being a descendant of holocaust victims would make her special in a sense and being caught lying about it would cause immense backlash anywhere but both of these factors are really amplified in the German context. The holocaust is connected to so much guilt and shame in Germany (and rightfully so) that anybody benefiting from it by lying about it or playing a victim without being one is considered pretty much unforgivable, like her reputation was basically destroyed beyond repair and it could very possible felt like a death sentence to her. It is possible that she could not deal with the shame and guilt of being caught in such a horrific lie. What she did was obviously wrong but I am very sorry the story ended the way it did...
Yes sad......
There are many cases like that in Germany. Usually someone claims to be Jewish, the holocaust story was just the next step.
Germans are complex people. Their messy history highlights that....
German-Jewish relationship is pretty good and stable these days.
Last thing needed is someone whose ancestors were most likely at least complacent, lie and claim to have ancestors who were victims. She seemed like she was very intelligent. A shame she wasted it.
No death camps in Germany.
First "stolen valor", now "stolen Hebraism"
Its a fine line to walk between having sympathy for people like this and just outright condemnation here. I was pretty liberal with my "creative license" while growing up - especially in high school - and it was largely to cover up a deep inferiority complex. So when I hear cases like this, I can't help but think "there but for the grace of maturity and a great network of loved ones (etc), go I". Now I strive to live authentically and I think back to the lies I told with very justifiable sense of shame. I still worry that I might have a tendency towards narcissism - I certainly feel very egocentric and as though I have main character syndrome within my own head - but I try to combat the worst elements of myself by being a supportive friend and helping others where I can. Ah well, I guess we all have our crosses to bear!
You listened to loved ones & tried to change to overcome your problems. Do not take that lightly, when you try to be a better person every day. Everyone does have their own crosses to bear. Knowing yourself & fixing what is broken, is the path most of us are on here. Denial keeps you trapped in a loop of repeating behaviours that are bad for you and blaming others, leaving you fragile & easily broken, like Sophie was. Fakers lose themselves. Tryers can find themselves.
@@deborahwillard3495 Thank you. Thats very kind of you to say. I wish Sophie could've gotten the help she needed, but hopefully some good can come from her story to help other people examine their insecurities/inferiority complexes and not go down the rabbit hole of pathological lying. Hope you're having a great week :)
@@CaptBrightside89 A person has to have awareness in order to change. There is someone in my life that I love but cannot have a relationship because they don't seem to be aware that they are the problem. I am very sad about it but I have to protect myself.
@@brucheweinberger6863 I'm really sorry you're in that position. Nobody wants to be in a position where they have to cut people out but, unfortunately, it can be not only justified but completely necessary for your peace and safety. I hope you can move on and be happy :)
Very sad. Highly intelligent person does such a crazy things!
Reminds me of all the white Americans claiming "native" heritage, then everyone finding out they're 100% European. Some get *so upset* when they get caught claiming that
Thank you, Dr. Grande for your research and sleuth skills. Much appreciated 👍
I always like how Dr. Grande slide little jokes with the same "poker face" all along on his videos.
Truth always prevails. No path made towards lying will ever bring you peace.
I always feel kinda bad for the various "Dolezals" & "Smolletts" when they get exposed. They had it coming, but at the same time it must be mortifying to have everyone know you made up a ridiculous story.
(Full disclosure: I told all the kids at summer camp that I was adopted and also had a pet Persian cat. In reality, my biological parents raised me and we had no household pets. I just wanted attention for having a cool "backstory." Of course, I was eleven years old, so... not totally pathological, I hope.)
I don't feel sorry for Smollett, he left his 5 dogs to burn alive.
@@cleoldbagtraallsorts3380 There’s a special place in the corner of the coldest / hottest cruelest place in “Hell” for he… I had no idea he was sick like that… 😔sick..
That hurt my heart to read your post. I pray all the time for people to forget how to be mean to animals, little children, and old people…
The world would be so sweet if we didn’t know how to do such horrific things to others..🪁🪁🪁
@@ZYX84 It's very hard to feel anything but contempt for those who hurt the most vulnerable, whether that's animals, children, the disabled, the elderly or the mentally ill. How he could allow those no doubt faithful dogs to die in such an horrific way just to get attention, I will never know.
You shouldn't have lied about not having a Persian cat.
@@JessHull Yeah it would’ve been cooler if he would’ve said a hairless Siamese..😃
I thought his saying that was adorable and funny..
Boys at 11…
Do you remember?😊😉
Good job. How about doing the case of Elizabeth Warren.
She’s not the first, and certainly won’t be the last. Why does this happen so often?
When you declare something you should expect to answer questions. When someone states “i don’t care if you believe me”, they are most likely lying.
I remember this - and the sickest part about the Holocaust survivor garden party was omitted in that she claimed her grandmother made her send out invitations that read "dear Auschwitzers." Sick
Always interesting.
I appreciate people who can make things up and lie.
Makes my life interesting just reading them. Plus I love your humor.
Thank you
Peace 💕🇺🇲
It’s such a sad story. I wonder sometimes if simply having a devoted friend would have made a difference in her life.
This analysis was handled with the appropriate sensitivity I personally believe it deserved, thank you for this. While her claim was of course heinous, this is just such a sad case. It's different from people like Rachel Dolezal who have massively benefited from their damaging false claims around ancestry. Just speculating myself here but if Marie had received therapy around self worth and self belief, this all maybe wouldn't have happened.
Dolezal simply claimed that she was "black". "Black" like "white" are political designations that have little to do with reality.
Dolezal chose the identity of a Black person, why not?
It's not the same as claiming a fake history.
Sometimes the attention is all the benefit a person needs. Some people who have been diagnosed with a terminal illness and then later find the diagnosis was incorrect, can be quite upset to find they are not going to die after all and thus lose the sympathy they had been getting.
When I was a little kid, I got in a nasty fight I thought I was winning, but my knee was kicked so many times it bleed a lot and required stitches. The neighbors thought it was an accident and made me ice cream, and wished me well. I felt like such a fraud, and so guilty, and it was a misunderstanding. I can't imagine deliberately spinning a yarn like this woman.
As kids, some of us live through these scenarios and develop levels of shame and understanding of the situations. I assume that Sophie never went through that experience in addition to any mental illness she had.
You should analyze Steve Rannazzisi lying about surviving September 11th. That story is hilarious and fascinating to me. A lie that went way too far.
Good idea. He did one on Tania Head he must find the topic of 9/11 posers to be interesting.
Doesn't he even go as far as to fake chronic illnesses associated with being in and the around the towers when they fell?
@@MakerInMotion I remember the Tania Head exposure not from this channel though. Also, *Richard Gage* - of the _'Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth'_ might also be an excellent case study.
I just always heard about that lady I never heard of him however I will watch it thank you! ✌️
A strange and interesting case. He still gets a lot of work, which blows my damn mind.
So many people wanting to be a victim. Shameful.
I have been told false about my family history so I could understand making a mistake-but this seems intentionally dishonest and she has a pattern. Good analysis
Another fantastic video, Dr. Grande! You explain these situations in such a concise and comprehensive way and as your audience, we're so grateful that you continue to share content on so many different topics! ❤️
Grace - I can truly say ( not lying!) that I would be a FAR less well informed human if it were not for Dr. Grande's videos!
Yesss king go offff
We love a clinical king 😤😤😤
@@giaparmer we Stan 💯
Your humor helps so much in dissecting such difficult stories. The joke about the Intel exec saying, "but we really need to hire somebody who understands 17th century Irish history..." 😂
Also, I appreciate the time & effort you put into researching these stories. When you were describing this one, I was thinking of someone w/ personality disorder (Cluster B). Her allegedly "teaching" men about sexuality & how to interact w/ women could be a way to brag about her sexual knowledge (thus, she's an "expert"), or even a cover for her sexual history. Many ppl w/ personality disorders are hypersexual, so just thinking out loud about potential motives for those claims. The tragic ending of her life, is also not uncommon among Cluster B diagnoses. Certainly we don't have the data to prove this, but it seems plausible w/ the info we have. Sympathy to her loved ones.
We sure do come up with a lot of fancy ways to say she’s a liar.
Are you married. Love yr forthright honesty
@@wespaul9345 Haha yes. To a man who “manipulates the essence of reality” from time to time lol.
@@Thatgurlkassixoxo are you flirting with me. Lol
Sad that some people have to invent stories to feel worthy.
Hey!! Girl you lookin good, now don't tell anybody this but I'm a secret agent!!
Yeah, no different than people inventing genders to make them feel worthy.
Yes , sad, but compare any work of drama fiction to ones own real life. Which is more interesting? If mildly delusional, this fiction/hoax could increase ones sense of worthiness?
I watch Dr Grandes iTunes because his stories are much more interesting than what is going on in my life. Not sure where I’m going with this....... oh, if “feeling worthy” was the goal of the hoax, it worked till she was caught in a lie, and publicly humiliated. Which is why I and most people don’t lie.
“She was already special.”
Oh gosh that’s sorta touchingly bittersweet
I wonder if Sophie, as a German woman, felt a sense of guilt and shame over her country's history, and wanted to mitigate that by identifying herself as the descendent of Holocaust survivors.
I don't think people who lie like this are especially susceptible to guilt.
@@eadweard. I don't know...People can lie to themselves, and occasionally people lie out of guilt and shame as much as they lie out of cynical self-interest and practical gain. I'm not defending it (far from it), but I do think good intentions and instincts can occasionally lead to bad deeds.
Your humour has me crying with laughter. Something I need especially as I'm suffering health wise. Thankyou for your time
Social media has taught me more that people don't want to be left behind, everybody wants to show to the world how special they are.
Dr. Grande: “which proves just about anything can be interesting to some people.” 🤣🤣🤣🤣 slayed me, i was thinking similarly as he described her thesis topic.
Narcissists aren't really "treatable", because they can't conceive of anything wrong with their behavior. It's always someone else's fault that things aren't working. Narcissists are never in doubt. That's why you find so many of them in them clergy. Congregations are "reassured" by leaders who display complete assurance...
What are you doing around so many false preachers?
I suggest you seek the Lord for yourself and know Him and His ways.
And if you stand on holy Scripture of God, no hypocrite or ungodly person will e able to deceive you.
The clergy may be among your ideological enemies but they have no bearing on this case.
Sadly, you are right. People ignorant of truth or who reject truth, follow people instead, even though they may be liars and deceivers.
His deadpan delivery during funny parts is hilarious!!!!
Dr. grande is definitely doing a great job in analyzing these weird cases!! 🙏
Such people are a slap in the face of all real victims.
What is wrong with such people?!
They need the attention and sense of importance, perhaps?
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Attention from fraud? Good plan...
@@majav.4887 not a good plan, but she DID get some attention out of it….
I have the same problem with judgemental, reactionary types like you. Obviously, this person had mental health issues - the 'lying' was a mere symptom, or a way to cope with her inner turmoil.
I'm not amazed about her hiring. My ex graduated with a master of museology and got a job in the office of labour.
Their only job requirement was a master degree of any kind. 🤷🏻♂️
Yep that's true. Not all corporate jobs require the specific education. Master degree and fluent English and you're good to go to conquer the corporate world (outside US). Especially a job position of a project manager is quite murky. Everything can hide behind this job title.
😳 Unbelievable. History is a hobby with me. I've seen the roster of the dead at Auschwitz, as well as the SS guards. Two people shared my last name: one guard and one victim. That does not mean that I am related to them in any way. Just that my last name occurred more frequently than I thought.
I love history, horrible that someone should do that.
I met a survivor at the temple in Greensboro
Uh huh...go look up the Red Cross records too
@@KoolT Now THAT is an honor that I am intensely jealous of! All I can get in this podunk little town are books and documentaries.
@@longwhitemane My dad is a holocaust survivor....He is 88.
I believe another factor might be the underlying feeling of shame and guilt that is still present in German society. The Third Reich and the Holocaust are still very prominently taught in German schools, often with the emphasis on the responsibilities and guilt of the generation living during the time. And with the implication of responsibility to the generations born afterwards. This can cause a feeling of underlying guilt in people. Either people reject it flat out this, they feel guilty or they try to free themselves from this feeling of guilt by taking on the role of the victims. There are some people who convert to Judaism for this reason, and some people reinvent their family history. Another very prominent case was Binjamin Wilkormirski aka Bruno Dösseker, who lied about being a suvivor of the Holocaust.
Hi, Dr. Grande. Can you please analyze the case of Robert Raymond Cook, the last man to be hanged in the Canadian province of Alberta?
I have a story from when I was a boy and two burglars tried to break in my house at Christmas when my family went on vacation without me.
Why and who on earth would put that information on Wikipedia? Did they not know how vulnerable she was? She made a mistake. So much talent is gone. Not familiar with the case but Wikipedia needs to be scrutinized and monitored.
I wish Grande would do David Foster Wallace. He was in and out of rehab drug problem self-esteem issues, he stalked women and threatened them, I think, the best author ever in my opinion. He wrote infinite jest. And he committed suicide in his garage in Claremont. I’ve gone to the house and sat there pondering his existence. The current owners don’t know I was doing that. I parked across the street a couple of times. His writing is powerful to say the least but I can see he wasted some of his incredible writing talent on ridiculous, immature, inane topics. Some experts say so, others don’t. I was watching one group talk on him by a bunch of professors onstage and he was being discussed as so precious. And he didn’t come across like that in his writing. I’m sure the professors were just being careful and professional. He is an incredible writer. To me, as someone who worked in mental health, it seems like his writing is a part of his presentation of mental health obsessive mental meandering they way it goes on and on and on and changes subjects suddenly which is disconcerting but they call that style post modernism, I guess. Idk, but he was mind blowing, imo. Both his parents were academics. My mom was insane and deprived me of knowledge and my dad disappeared when I was five, so yeah, environment matters. If there is an example of writing that has an almost physical effect, it’s his writing. His writing reminds me of the way some schizophrenic people who have an intellectual background, who I met at that job, would talk incessantly, is what I mean.
A victim of her own crimes.
There was a case recently in Czech Republic where a women lied about her history of Soviet oppression and terrible life in gulag. She gave lots of lectures in schools etc. and a book was issued about her story (called Krvavé jahody). This went on for almost 20 years, until one historian specialized on this era visited her lecture and did his thorough research finding out almost everything she claimed was fake. He even discovered that her mother of Russian origin collaborated with nazi regime during WWII and after that voluntarily ran with her children to Soviet Russia hoping to avoid a punishment for her activity during war.
It’s rare for me to laugh out loud when alone, but thanks to you, it happens!!
What’s a complex person. Thank you for giving this analysis as it has been very intriguing.
Oh, my GOD!! I sound so heartless!! I'm sorry she passed, and wasn't able to correct things. I'm sorry for her Family.🙏🙏🙏🙏
Renee - Thank you for speaking for all of us. This is a sad story.
@@bthomson I appreciate you saying that! It's very sad! Take good care!!
"the CIA using satellite lasers to turn me into an Aardvark". My god, sir, that is comedy gold! You are an absolute deadpan legend! Your analysis is excellent, but if I'm entirely honest I mostly tune in for your brutal put downs and hilarious deadpan comments.
Possibly was aware of Anne Frank's existence, she became inspired to fabricate in relation into her own family history, enduring horrific suffering and trauma as for Anne Frank is considered a hero for the determination to stay alive and maintaining a handwritten Diary of the atrocities how it affected her and family. Thank you Doctor, for another informative video that expands you're impeccable collection soaring up to the heavens on a daily basis.
Hand written in ballpoint pen prior to it being invented.
She could’ve just wrote a realistic fiction novel instead of lying…
Great points. Another case of a sad narcissist. Thanks Dr G 😊💛💛
Victimhood has become valuable currency in the modern times. I can understand why someone would do this.
I feel sorry for her, acting out a character online through a blog is probably fairly common, it just seemed to snowball and she found herself in a position in which she saw no way out other than suicide.
Poor lady.
I knew someone who lied about their parents being slaves. When the community found out, she decided to work for free on a farm to live “as a slave” to say sorry. Well, she ended up working her way up to Farm Manager and now is considered a millionaire. Moral of the story: hard work pays off!!!
I'm addicted to your video. Thank you
Good morning Bella and Max! 🐾🐾
“My daughter has many realities, I have access to only one.”
Strange .. her mother knew this..
I suppose she figured she would do fine in life??😐
Why do you suppose that?
Or grow out of it
@@SamS-uv2ql🪁 I feel a mother possibly not as strong in her personality as her daughters, just figured leave well enough alone… Don’t rock the boat so to speak, many times parents see their children as a reflection of themselves…
That could be true when they’re under the age of seven.
In her mothers knowing that her daughter had “many different realities.” Seems to suggest her mom disconnected from her as much as a mom could knowing that of her own daughter.
@@christinahite74 I was thinking that as well, I mentioned to a comment above that you would think by the age of seven your child knows how to be authentic.
This is pretend, this is not..I don’t have any children but I remember being one..🪁
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@@ZYX84 What would you expect the mother to do??
Outstanding, you meet and exceed every time.
Sounds interesting. Let’s do this. Thanks for so many interesting videos, Grande. I appreciate it.
“The fact that good people can be forced to do wrong doesn’t make them less good. But it also doesn’t make the wrong less wrong.”
Ovadya ben Malka, A Damaged Mirror
Can't remember the name but a lady who claimed to be Holocaust survivor who lived with wolves. Like the wolves adopted her on two different occasions. She used to give talks about her 'life' at different synagogues and many Jewish families gave her money. A school in France added her book to their curriculum and the youths did an art exhibition inspired by the book. Turns out it was all lies, she wasn't even Jewish and her father had even given names to the SS. Just horrific.
I've never heard of this one before! Thanks, Dr. Grande!
I love your compassion!
As a German blogger who has followed Sophie in real time, I feel a significant part of context is missing in your analysis. Mental health is one aspect, the very specific sense of collective guilt that's deeply rooted in German society, and more recently is being rebelled against by some segments of the population, is just as important to take into account. There's a reason so many people here took Sophie's admittedly beautifully written stories for facts.
Taking on a fake Jewish identity is by no means a singular occurrence. In fact, German language even has a slightly pejorative expression for it: Kostümjude, or "costume Jew". Other cases that in recent years made headlines are those of Spiegel journalist Claas Relotius (which explains why the Spiegel journalist was going so hard against Sophie), fake holocaust survivor Moshe Peter Loth, and fake Jewish community leader Walter Seibold. I'm sure many more are out there who don't make headlines.
A key figure for Sophie has likely been her friend and mentor Lea Rosh, a Berlin based journalist and publicist and activist against antisemitism.
Rosh had a Jewish grandfather on her mother's side. She was born as Edith Renate Ursula - and took on Lea as her first name later in life. If you look at Rosh's biography (she has an English Wikipedia entry) it's obvious that Sophie emulated it to create her own. Which narcissists do.
Removing oneself from the collective identity of the perpetrators to take on, performatively, an identity of the victims' collective, however, seems to be a universal phenomenon even outside the Nazi - Holocaust survivor counterpole. Take Rachel Dolezal, performatively pretending to be African-American, or Amber Heard or Evan Rachel Woods pretending to be a gender-based violence victims and activists, hurting their alleged cause. Alleged, because their actual cause is only ever narcissistic supply.
Thank you for your contribution to this analysis. Seems the issues are similar to whites in America. Finding a way to become a victim to crawl out from under the shadow of the past evils which couldn't be blamed on them anyway as they weren't the perpetrators. I'm sorry that Sophie threw her life and accomplishments away by taking her life rather than correcting her course.
These days claiming victim status is a way to achieve real social status, power, and privilege. That is why it happens. I’m surprised Sophie did not do what Rachel Dolezal did and simply claim to identify as whatever she felt like. That would have shut up most of the journalists because journalists tend to be woke and cowardly of offending the woke mob.
More of these old school style Dr Grande videos please and less celeb news!
You crack me up. And I really enjoy your posts/shares.
Thats so crazy that she's a whole HISTORIAN and still thought she could get away with it....?
Narcissist rarely have a back up plan …. I would argue that they never have a backup plan. Once a narcissist is exposed as a fraud they disappear forever. In this case she took disappearing to the extreme.
Interesting analysis as always - I felt you left out a key aspect in the potential guilt and shame and perhaps horror of growing up in post-holocaust Germany and how that affected her. I feel that the lie came from an interesting tendency people have to “recreate” history when there is shame involved. I noticed this in South Africa when so many claimed after the historical events had played out - to have been “anti-apartheid” activists. I think more then narcissism
- the root is guilt
And the tendency for the personality structure to self-heal.
I will ALWAYS say NOBODY is PERFECT we all make MISTAKES to LEARN and GROW from our shortcomings but to LIE continuously it build up LIES then eventually the LIES CRUMBLE
Much deserved credit to the Irish reporter for not reporting her as he saw her to be disturbed!
Dr. Grande, what do you think of the article in Psychology Today that says there's no true link between depression and serotonin levels? I'm sure a lot of people are interested in that...especially since SSRI's are so lucrative to pharmaco....and so many people have been put on them. Probably explains why so many have to play musical chairs before finding a med that works....if they ever do find one.