I must have been living under a rock to never have heard about this. And leave it to 2 international kidnappers to make me feel like I'm underachieving in life.
Forget Jussie. He got caught and he is no longer relevant. How about Kim K who became more famous with her kidnapping story that helped bump the viewers for her family's show. She always gets away with things, so much so that people have already forgotten about her kidnapping story and instead only remembers Smollett's story.
That was a good analysis. She was a local 'glamour' model, in the UK. They pose near nude in center pages in tabloids papers, Think adult 'entertainment modeling like OnlyFans. Definitely NOT a supermodel in the USA sense of the work/word you are familiar with. Just thought I'd mention this, a real professional modeling agency/agent wouldn't send supermodel to this random guy. .
She was believable in Britain at the start. Now she’s just cashing in & playing the game for even more publicity. Good luck to her! A horrible thing happened to her…
@@SamS-uv2ql real agency doesn't mean reputable or good agency. Real just means some dude filed paperwork with their city to operate as a business. Good, reputable agencies don't send you to unknown places overseas for fictitious shoots. They also don't send you out alone, the first few times.
@@SamS-uv2ql NO, it wasn't. Not because you register a business as 'pro modelling agency' that it is as such. Plenty of these open every day, even advertise luring desperate women to sign up with them to make quick money off then in small non pro jobs, like the one he sent her to and got kidnapped! This was a side business for the owner who was already fully employed in a non-fashion/modeling business. Zero real super model have worked with this agency.I have worked full time with Elite agency NYC, was also warned of these scam agencies. Anyone working in this field can see right away this is not a pre professional super model agency!!!!
This has WAY more info than the 60 minutes episode did... but now I'm leaning more towards she's in on it. What about her 1st trip out there where he paid the taxi? They could've planned it then and that's why there's no electronic trail. The guy is clearly nuts, so she knows no one would believe him if he confessed.
@@eadweard. incorrect. Another investigation into this pointed out that the Paris thing was HER attempt to start the hoax earlier, but was thwarted by Paris authorities being more present and aware of her travels and his. Also, there is an electronic trail to their initial communications. Why is that not in this video?
She wasn't in on it. Lukasz Herba, who is a Polish national from the United Kingdom, is a pathological liar. And then the evidence that she was injected with ketamine.
Dr. Grande, could you do a video on this topic? So the mother of the 10 year old rape victim was interviewed the other day. This is the little 10 year old who was raped and was refused an abortion in Ohio. The step father was arrested for the rape and now is held on a 2 million dollar bond. So the mother was defending him in the interview and it turns out she is also pregnant with his child. She is in love with him and denies that it was him who got the child pregnant. WHY do so many women do this? Why do they look at their child as competition? Why would they allow their children to be sexually abused by some random guy because they “love” him? They reject their own children and allow despicable abuse to keep that guy in their lives? What is the psychological profile of a monster parent like that?
So sad. My grandmother did this to my aunt. I was very close to my grandmother & she died when I was a child & before I knew. I feel betrayed on behalf of my aunt & wonder how my relationship with my grandmother would have changed if she had lived longer. Any person who abuses your child has NO place in your life. It is the ultimate betrayal. "Love" for the perp, denial, financial considerations... So many possible reasons. At the end of the day none of it matters. I'd live penniless in a cardboard box with my child before I would allow a man to r@pe her.
I think Dr. Grande got the characters mixed up in the reduced sentencing part of the story. It was Lukasz's 37 year old brother Michał Herba whose sentence was reduced to five years. Lukasz's sentence had been reduced to 12 years: "In 2021, the 16-year sentence of Michal Herba was reduced on appeal to 5 years and 8 months. The sentence of Lukasz Herba had already been reduced, in 2020, to 12 years and 1 month."
Definitely intriguing as well as humourous. You always manage to merge the two so well no matter how serious the story is. I really look forward to your videos. I watch them on my lunch break at work and on the bus and in the park.... you name the location and you're there.
I'm still on the fence with this one... I've watched interviews, read a bunch of articles & even tried to watch some of the court case.(knowing the Italian system is quite different) but I can't shake this same feeling that I had when Sherri Pappini disappeared. Her story doesn't quite sit right... his story is all over the place... she changed her statement to police... the courts threw the book at him but dramatically reduced the sentence on appeal....just odd. And I'm usually a big advocate for victims accused of not reacting "normally"... people deal with trauma differently, and psychological control can be just as effective as physical restraints in preventing an escape. But something doesn't quite feel right to me with this one. Maybe both stories are true... he was going to kidnap her in Paris, something happened & then she was in on it in Italy 🤷♀️
I’m with you! It very easily could be a combination of theories 1,2,and 3. I just can’t believe that someone who had really been through something ‘so bad’ as she calls it, would do all these interviews to talk about it.
I remember her on the news right after being "rescued" she was posing for the cameras revelling in the attention and this was right after it supposedly happened..and after she cashed in on it even appeared on celebrity big brother snd came across as a horrible shalliow person honestly. But that doesn't mean she wasnt kidnapped
Oh absolutely she was in on it. She's definitely not unattractive, BUT, believes she's more attractive than she truly is. Throw in some narcissism and an attitude of entitlement, and you got her!
Can you please explain then why the "hoaxers" went to jail for kidnapping rather than for the much lesser charge they would have received for hoaxing the police? After all, they could prove a hoax extremely easily.
Good morning Dr. Grande💗 Thank you for the new video! I hope you're having a wonderful weekend so far. I'm currently cooking breakfast for my 7kiddos and listening to your video while doing so is so unbelievably calming & relaxing. You must definitely keep me going at a calm & steady pace, as opposed to like a chicken with my head cut off. Lol.
I wish police would stop using peoples reaction to situations as evidence of guilt or innocence. Her display of calmness means nothing except that she’s calm and is evidence of nothing. She may have been trying to survive.
Quite. Whilst I still think it’s possible she was in on it, the balance of evidence is that she wasn’t and her behaviour is no evidence of that at all. Some of it is only evidence of her being desperate for fame, and her calmness isn’t even that. Although I’m quite a volatile person in some minor situations, I’ve found myself to be calm in emergencies, such as when I’ve been assaulted a few times.
I wish so too, unless they have the credentials in talking to victims of this magnitude I think they should butt out. People cope in different ways and these men aren’t typically the targets of abduction and human trafficking so how would they know how’d they’d cope with their experiences. When you know someone could just easily pick you up and run away with you, you develop and think a bit differently than a person who hasn’t been physically lifted off the ground in 10+ years.
Agreed! I'm actually a decently calm person when tragic things happen and it's occurred to me that I'd be totally sus to the cops in a situation involving a crime. I've been in or witnessed some pretty crazy shit in my life like major car accidents, people or family in medical emergencies, etc. and I'm pretty calm through it. I do react mentally/emotionally inside it's not like I don't "feel"fear or panic but I'm pretty good at maintaining my composure. I shift into survival/preserve life mode. Whether that be to dial 911 and speak clearly/coherently or put pressure on a wound, cut someone's seat belt, keep an injured person calm, perform heimlich maneuver, I've done all those things and more because I can cut through the clutter in my brain and just ACT on adrenaline, all the while not crying or screaming my head off.
@@joan6096 it's that stupid stereotype that men still have of women, especially, that we should be in tears, trembling while recounting our stories, etc. Basically that we should be obviously emotional all the time. It's incredible ridiculous to judge anyone based off of that. She could've just been laughing at his jokes to keep the illusion going, so he wouldn't make any trouble. She didn't know if he's capable of taking her hostage publicly if he's desperate and psychotic.
This guy Lucas definitely got trapped in fantasy land. Perhaps he saw one too many movies but he had a very frail grasp on reality. She was certainly naive
In addition to your analyses being extremely interesting, you have great talent at wading through all the murky details of these cases and sifting out the important points. Thanks Dr. Grande!!!
Dr Grande your deadpan jokes literally kill me- the intellect combined with the flat affect when you pull a zinger is just- belissimo! Chefs kiss* Thanks for your videos! They are my unintentional ASMR!
I wish modeling agencies would send an extra person, any person, as security with their models when flying to other countries like this. Not send them alone on an airplane to an un-tried company with nearly blind trust. Looking up a website on the internet should not count as a security check, all of that could be easily faked. - Instead of calling the extra person "security", just call them an "assistant" to the model. Qualifications to become the modelling assistant: over 6 foot tall big dude, who can beat the crap out of a guy and his brother if they try to inject the model with a needle.
There have been other instances of models going to jobs alone and they're murdered. I seriously doubt modeling agencies financially barely get by and can't afford to hire security for models that want it
@@lynnehuff9659 I don't believe her. Too many things don't add up. Why would they pick a working model on IG, pay her agent and then kidnapping her instead of a random person on the street? This was planned.
Even when I worked for a high profile ad agency, the models would show up alone. However, there was a business relationship already established between us and the modeling agency we used. We weren’t some rando business.
Good morning Dr. Grande!☀️ I just wanted to thank you for the wonderful video you uploaded on Patreon yesterday. The delivery was so unexpected and such a delight to watch. Fantastic job.❤️
She lied. If you listened to all her interviews on UA-cam there's one where she said she entered the studio and went around the corner looking for someone. Then was attack. Most other interviews she said she was attacked at the door. She keeps saying she was brain washed but she doesn't seem to be someone who would comply so quickly in 6 days that she wouldn't call for help when in public or with neighbors so close. Also never once does she mentioned being scared that she'd never see her son again. I feel police and the judge have been duped by her "halo affect". She "brushed off" to policy that they went shoe shopping. When asked if she was laughing and joking like a couple she denies it but never says she was playing the role to make him fall in love with her. Nothing makes sense. I'm surprised by your professional assessment on this one. Watch The Behavior Panel. The 4 do an assessment of her interview and rated her at 70 on the deception scale (anything above 11 is considered deception present). The highest of ALL the people they have assessed on their show.
Wow, thank you for seeing this! I’m crying. THANK YOU. As a survivor myself, I see this case exactly as you do (including understanding why people would conclude she is lying, due to the way society is set up), but I’m surprised and grateful that someone who hasn’t experienced something like this can understand the nuances of how the relationship between Chloe and her perpetrator certainly would have played out this way WITHOUT her consent, and why she would use these tactics to survive. And, that you understand her behaviors after the event means so much to me. I wish there was more education on trauma recovery feelings and behaviors, so that people who are lucky enough to have never experienced this could understand a little more about how and why the brain tries to make sense of the completely changed world, and maybe even have compassion for the fact that a survivor’s behaviors are usually more of a surprise to the survivor than to anyone else, which is one of the more difficult aspects of recovery (though nowhere near as difficult as not being believed; I was believed because it was obvious, but I’ve been in trauma treatment with many women who aren’t believed, and that seems like a hell on earth, in many ways much worse than the original crime).
I saw body language experts suggest that in the interviews she gives, she does a ton of the signs of deception. She has Duper's delight and little things like that. I personally think she was in on it. A ton of red flags if you watch her interviews. Either she's an innocent person who happens to be a narcissist, or she didn't know what was going on well enough to understand what was going on, or she used them to get attention. But she comes off as REALLY knowing the details of the plan and not being able to recall details of what happened to her. It's bizzare and I lean towards her using the others just due to how bizzare she comes off as. I do admit the interview could've been poorly done and her trauma could have severely damaged her ability to speak of her accounts well, but the Duper's Delight smiles she gives on the exact times she shouldn't give them just really push me to not believing her.
@@Rae_777 Yes. I understand you see something similar to yourself and your experiences in her, but looking past that, you can see the signs. I hope you are able to as well. Sorry if truth can't get past your personal trauma. Peace to you.
Sorry you had to go through that, and yep i believe her, the story adds up imo ! i can see why she would act like that and i can see why he would take her shoe shopping and i can see why she didnt reveal that to police, is behaviour is strange to normal people but perfectly consistent with a mentally ill man whos convinced himself he has a new gf ! it all adds up in the context of the people involved ! you dont have to be a phsocolgist to understnad tht people act differently in different circumsances !
@@mcpartridgeboy Yes, but when giving an account of a tragic event, victims rarely pay attention to the details and pay more attention to the threat. When recalling events, this particular individual recalled details most people wouldn't even notice if they weren't undergoing trauma. The physical evidence also didn ot support her account, so one has to question whether or not it is possible she is not telling the truth. Or the people giving her the shot were experts at doing injections while a victim is struggling. She had a clean injection but suggested it took multiple males to constrain her. I get she wanted to make herself look good in every scenario she brought up, but it really made it difficult to believe her side of events when she was always doing superhuman feats like being able to fight off multiple males, while the males she fought off were so capable they managed to inject her wrist with a perfect injection. At a point the exaggeration (she might've just be unable to convey herself as a victim, which is understandable.) needs to be looked at with scrutiny. She was injected perfectly in the wrist, so if he account of being abducted is true, she offered no resistance and allowed herself to be injected. So the question is why she needs to make herself look good in her accounts, and so you are forced to question her side of the story. She gained everything from this ordeal as well. If it really happened to her, that's great. But the fact that some communications between the trio suggested she came up with the get a ton of followers scheme, it just feels wrong. If you ever see someone have a duper's delight smirk it instantly makes you question every single detail they espouse. I'm not saying she didn't have the kidnapping occur, but she's lying about a ton of things and I don't know why she is unless she doesn't like being a victim and has to make every event into a "I fought as hard as I could" event. But knowing how the real world works and listening to her side of the events just doesn't add up. Or she was abducted by extreme professionals and she was really good at resisting restraint. It's a miracle she had a clean injection in any case other than if she willingly was injected, perhaps even if they held her at gunpoint and she was co-erced into willingly being injected. Millions of people have been abducted and don't make it out. I just hope people aren't lying to gain from the horrible events that others have to face for real. And if her abductors only targeted her it's also fishy. If they had more victims I'd suspect a heavier sentence than six years.
As usual, you always come through with your witty, dry humor, lol ~ I love it and I always look forward to it!! Great job! I love a great sense of humor!☺😂😍
Dr. Grande, I so enjoy your videos. You have such a good handle on all of this and such a good way about explaining it to a layman such as myself. I really appreciate that you also say at times not to put too much weight on the diagnosing etc because it is often wrong and may not mean anything anyway. I do find it helpful however in navigating the world and my marriage despite labeling myself and family with some pretty nasty sounding descriptors. It seems to me that the better we understand ourselves the better we can work on our negative attributes and improve relationships in our lives. Thank you.
Paused just to type.... WTF. Paused again to edit and add... sleep back to back.... HA ha ba ha ha. I love you doctor Grande! And after everything, in the end. I'm so creeped out. Thank you for the wild ride!
If she'd been abducted for trafficking she'd have been sold immediately. They wouldn't keep her for any length of time, costing them money for the country house rental.....and in a place where there were neighbours and a small town where she'd be spotted. Nobody apart from the kidnappers and "clients" would ever get to see her....
And she's a glamorour model with a plethora of beautiful, sexy pictures but the one they post is the one where she is bound and drugged up. Total fictional plot planned by idiots. Wait until Lucas is out and he'll come collecting for his payout.
I lean towards the second option. He was trying to get her attention and it blew up in his face. Chloe has just enough antisocial features to not care what anyone else thinks and to take advantage of the situation to promote herself.
He likely set up the breakfast and shopping to have witnesses and surveillance showing her friendly 'participation'. Anyone would play along if they believed there was a chance for freedom. If the guy went that far to 'win' her over, it's quite frightening how delusional he is. Thanks for an interesting analysis on this Dr. Grande. It's one i hadn't heard of before.
Yeah but even the neighbors said nothing looked odd and that it looked like they were all there together as friends or whatever. The neighbors saw them sitting outside and said Chloe definitely didn’t look like she was held against her will. They never thought about the cameras catching them shoe shopping together which is why she came up with the excuse of playing along. Plain and simple. She thought she was clever but she wasn’t and she’s not. Even her interview looks incredibly rehearsed. That, or she literally has no emotions and could care less that her life was in danger. It’s very bizarre and if this is real, she is not helping her case whatsoever.
It's very unlikely anyone is going to get a specific working model, pay her $2k just to traffick her in an auction. Why risk talking to her agent and paying £2000, also leaving a trail where she went. They would grab someone random off the streets. She would have been more believable if she said she was nabbed on vacation and got away.
This was clearly a hoax. Being obsessed with her modeling career, she would definitely enter into a conspiracy like this but wouldn't waste any time hanging around with someone who'd kidnapped her when she could be back home making legitimate income. But this story also reveals how much else in our world is essentially a hoax - including bringing a child into this world and leaving the care of that child to someone else, selling products based on the physical appearance of someone posing with them, and reducing the sentence of someone convicted of a felony from 16 years to 5 years based solely on legal negotiations. We live in a world where almost everything is a hoax, it's just a matter of type and degree.
@@bluex610 These days when I think of financial hoaxes I think of how the Russians are contriving a seemingly healthy economy that's actually collapsing beneath the surface. But I guess if we were going to itemize the financial hoaxes in this world we'd have to write more words than Tolstoy and Dostoevsky combined.
Hello Dr Grande, Your analysis of this, is very insightful. I'm inclined to agree with your opinion, about chloe being kidnapped and being a victim. Traumatic events like this,tend to spark controversy, because of a victims reaction to the situation. We have to realize, that people react differently to extreme trauma. Basing ones innocence or guilt,on how a person is reacting, is not enough. After a thorough investigation, the resulting evidence is what convicted Klay,and exonerated chloe.
It wasn't merely her reactions but rather the stories she had been telling all roud, her stories kept on changing, her stories revolved around the set up how they did every bit they did rather what she FELT.
You really believe that? For a start she said she was trying to stop them injecting her yet he police said it was a clean injection no evidence of a struggle, also no ket in her system which would have still been in her system, the logic around all of this is like a 10 year old trying to copy the taken film. She's talking out her bottom
She got the publicity she wanted while omitting the shoe shopping experience, relaxed and laughing with him was witnessed. She could easily gone into a rest room at the restaurant and alerted staff or someone else. Evidence of a needle mark could just as easily been for her drug of choice. Perhaps the guy she’d friended on Facebook was a dumb arse with his fantasies. She obviously showed no signs of distress and I think she orchestrated a plan and set him up gaining his trust by sleeping with him.
@@Peacefullyatbeach104 Which proves she had it in her system, not that it was injected into her against her will. Ketamine is a common party drug and she strikes me as the party girl type. I think it is possible some loser kidnapped her in order to orchestrate this absurd plan to make her fall for him, but if you think ketamine in her hair proves her innocence then you've created a pretty low standard innocence.
It wouldnt be the first time a kidnap victim went along with her kidnappers either out of fear or because they came to depend on the kidnapper for survival.
I think it is fairly reasonable that someone would think they had a better chance of survival by playing along with someone who seemed like they would release them rather than trying to risk it all and make an escape that might make the kidnaper change his mind if he caught her. not saying there isn't a decent chance that it was a hoax, but i think there is also a decent chance it wasn't. And the language barrier thing actually makes some sense if she needed the escape to be fast in fluid so she was gone before he figured it out. And if she really thought there was a whole organization working with this guy, then it would make sense for her to not want to turn someone against her who she thought would be one of the few people who could protect her.
It was a super upload, you must be the funniest mental health expert on UA-cam, always enjoy your vids,. You are fair and cuttingly funny without being offensive.
If this happened to Chloe for real, it's sad that we're suspicious. But there are some odd parts. First she's handcuffed to furniture, then they're shoe shopping? Enjoying a jovial breakfast? If it was simply a bid for attention, they worked way too hard. Although she got work from it, so perhaps the scheme was effective, at least for her.
Yep if you had a gf youd take her shoe shopping to be nice to and have breakfast (just like a deluded maniac would do if he somehow convinced himselff he had a new gf) and if you were the victim of a kidnapping by some crazy guy you too would pretend to be his gf if you thought it wa your only chance of survival ! it doesnt make sense to you because your not a crazed madman who hatched a ludicrous plan and it also doesnt make sense to you because you are not the victim of aa kidnapping by a madman who has persuaded you that the only way you are going to survive is by pretneding to be his gf.
Dr Grande. I am a deep expert in analysis. First, I know my boundaries for analysis. I know that to do good analysis, much less great analysis requires solid background in the field where the analysis is done. But the patterns of good/great analyses are clear in your work here. First, you started with 3 possible patterns to explain the events. Check, you did that well. Then you added and subtracted information to see if the facts supported each other in a cohesive story. Lastly you said, did the players match known types. Thank you great analysis.
The police cleared her of any wrongdoing. There is no evidence that she knew her kidnappers. Her hair proved she really was drugged, which would not have been necessary if she was in on it. Drugging is not like in the movies. It can kill a person if you don't know what you are doing. If it had been a hoax, the kidnappers would have been able to explain how they knew each other and there would probably be some proof of contact. The best explanation is the one the police proved in court.
@@castlerock58 Italian police often don't know their asses from their elbows. However, if it was a hoax why didn't they invent some fake kidnappers like in the Sherri Papini case? So yeah, strange as it sounds, I agree with you. As you said, why on Earth would hoaxers go to jail when proving the hoax for them would be so easy?
People from here and another 60 minutes special were on her Instagram commenting just an hour ago. Most were saying they thought she was lying. I went and looked to see if it got worse and her official Instagram was deleted!!! 🤣
I think that you're right, Dr. G. I thought she was in on it until you said there was no evidence of prior communication between them That made it less credible that she could've been in cahoots because that would've been incredibly difficult to pull off without leaving any type of cyber trail. From the moment she became compliant & started playing into his fantasy, he started slipping into boyfriend mode. It was probably his idea to take her shopping as an affectionate gesture, and I'm pretty sure he paid for the shoes and breakfast. He was attempting to shift her mind out of the whole " scary kidnapping thing" which speaks to how stupid he thinks she (and everyone else he's lied to) is. She's not acting like a traumatized victim because she wasn't harmed physically, verbally and yeah she was scared but he rushed in quickly to sooth her fears. He actually thought a fairytale rescue would play out, the hero gets the girl. He's narcissistic and she is only lucky that he wasn't also psychopathic. If I were her, I'd also feel stupid admitting to the police that I played along and went shopping, when I felt that I was not in danger at the moment and all I had to do was keep it going until I get to the embassy then I'm good. He only turned himself in because otherwise he would have no way to communicate with her after the ordeal without the police tracking him down and arresting him. Great story, I've never heard of it before, thanks for covering it.
Michael - Great respect for your answer. If he was trying g to bate you( not a big "if" in my opinion!), you proved yourself the FAR better person! Nice work!
yeah, everything I've seen of her makes it hard to imagine her coming up with this plot and it makes sense for him to level claims about her involvement in mounting a legal defense and avoiding responsibility. it's unfortunate that his sentence has been reduced so much because he sounds like a pretty disturbed person who may be a future threat to others. I love the "super" jokes 😂 great video Dr. Grande❣️
Why is it hard to imagine? What about her makes it unbelievable? Are you inferring she isn't smart enough? She actually had high grades in school and was on her way to a law career but that was derailed by her unplanned pregnancy.
The case seems to go everywhere, there are a lot of twists and turns. I can see why some people think it is a hoax. I would have to learn more about it to come to a more informed conclusion. Very dramatic case, thank you for the explanation and analysis.
Weren’t they friends on Facebook even after the kidnapping…? Usually I don’t care about stupid stuff like that, but if that were me and I was targeted and kidnapped based off of my social media, I’d go through my friends list and delete people I didn’t know. Actually, if it were really me, I’d delete all social media but still.
A person with a severe trauma cannot talk about it without being shaken: tearful or upset and in case she cannot show emotion they can't talk about it yet. She talks about it as she just had a day as usual. Also her eyes are without emotion. I don't believe her for one second.
Especially pulling the mic closer to her and then model posing outside of her home and with dog. If she was traumatized, the last thing she should want is cameras identifying her home. Never once does she mention her son and scared of never seeing him.
Yup, bogus - pretty much anyway you look at it. PS - She better exploit her looks for modeling asap - hers are the type that fades after a certain number of years go by. Lucas got his sentence reduced how? And he paid a lot of money to go through with all of this falsehood - hiring her, paying airfare, cab fare, the computer website - etc. - who was paying those monies to begin with? Daddy and mommy? And how did he convince his brother now facing prosecution to go along with this hair brained misadventure? All very very weird.
Correct. He didn't have the capital or the intelligence to pull this off without HER guidance. Other coverage of this story spoke more about the planning stages, and how she sought him out. She is a stupid and evil as Sherry Papini.
🪁 Good evening Dr.Grand🌵e. I appreciate you choosing such challenging & sometimes mind bending cases. Your very clear analysis always helps process many feelings. It truly sounds like they were enjoying their ketamine.. came up with this completely believable plan..😐. The dissociative nature of that drug will have people do some of the dumbest things. Your case in point Doc.😉 I appreciate you work.. very much so. 🪁
Hi Dr. Grande. Chloe' was probaly in on this scheme to get publicity for her modeling career. Great analysis Dr. G. Happy & spectacular times hopefully await you & your family. Peace, love, Janine Smiley😀🙂😎🤩😍🖤❣🦓☕🍉🍊🍓🍍🍌🍇🥥🍅🥝🥑☕🎂☕🍪☕🍩☕🥧🍫🍧🍨
She was friends in social media with the kidnapper since 2015. How idiot you may have been to being not able to escape your kidnappers or alert any one for so many incidents of dining, shopping and going around
4:03 around this part it’s like Scooby Doo where the bad guy tells all the info to the victim 🙄 no kidnapper is going to be doing all that. Also having worked in the industry when you have a shoot especially one where you travel you are sent tons of emails with hair and makeup, a call time, your agent is in on everything. Her meeting the guy to get payment for the taxi is suspicious. That would have been something he could have just paid her back for through the agency. It’s suspicious and unbelievable if you ask me.
Thank you for these interesting videos! I would really love to see one about Ricky Kasso the Acid King. I read Jesse P. Pollack's book "the Acid King" and watched his documentary of the same name about the case. Both incredibly interesting. The book is based on few hundred hours of interviews of the actual kids at the time and as an adults. I would really like to hear your opinion about what was going on with Ricky (and his victim Gary Lauwers) during their short 17 years of life.
I think, that she was the head of the consiracy. Who knows where the two met? Maybe on the street, maybe in a club. They probably also wanted to make a trip to Paris, which is why they met there. Maybe they came up with the kidnapping hoax when they met in Paris.
@@gombocdimensional9050 Where was this action elaborate? In my opinion they didn't really plan the details, just to fake an abduction to raise money and public interest. Then they went to Italy and there they hid for quite some time while trying to figure out how to go on. And even when they thought they had figured out their great plan, they acted chaotic.
As always, an exemplary analysis, Dr Grande. Not sure if you have already done so, but Max Wade's case is similar in trying to impress someone via outlandish hijinks. He's the kid that stole Guy Fieri's Lamborghini. ✌❤🍺
Hello Dr Todd, What a confusing story! Much as I enjoyed your telling of it, it was more like a fairy tail than real life, and I was just as confused by the end, as I was at the beginning. As a, now deceased, Irish comedian used to say "It's the way that you tell them." 🤔😀😱 Penny from Christchurch. 🇬🇧
Dr. Grande, i does believe I've asked this of a content creator before... (for specific coverage of something). Would you consider giving us your take on the Von and Tre McCray 'drama' that is currently playing out? I just recently heard of it and it is raising a lot of eyebrows and alarms. I'm sure many would like to hear your analysis of the situation. Thank you if you do, and even if you don't, know that you are appreciated! 💚
@@Blissfulnessence that's probably why I've never heard of it. The closest I come to social media is YT comments, and my young friends (grandkids) tell me this is not social media, hahahaha. I'll be looking for some videos on that case. Sunday internet sleuthing here I come! Thanks again, Bliss 💚
Just a reminder I'm not diagnosing anybody in this video; only speculating what could be happening in a situation where you are photographing a supermodel like this: 'Oh yeah, that's great that's great, too the left oh yeah give it to me baby, you're beautiful baby, now turn to the right"
I really thought you were gonna be like "Oh yeah baby, you're beautiful! Now turn left, show me those handcuffs, Yes! Perfect, make them shine just like you! " Or something like that alluding to her being physically kidnapped while he's taking pictures 🤣
Lucas: " Hey Michael let's fake kidnap a supermodel to make her fall in love with me. Then I will play the hero and save her before she's sold to the Arabs at a discount price because she's got a kid. After that I will take her shopping and get arrested for my crimes and being part of some bullshit black hand organization.". Michael: "Yeah that sounds cool but I wanna get arrested too." Lucas: "We'll see."
kidnap or hoax? well, I personally am inclined towards the second, if anything because the plot of this Lucas guy is almost as over-complicated as a bad fanfiction written by a not so bright pre-teen... 😅 ... still a better story than Twilight, but barely
I don’t get why people use certain aspects of the story against her, like going out in public, when other proven victims have done that before. And the neighbors not noticing anything? No one noticed Ariel Castro had 3 women in his basement for a decade. I think it was fake, but I don’t think she was involved.
The issue isn't the shopping trip itself. It is that she lied to cops about it. Also, the owner of the rented house this took place at reported that the neighbors saw them outside eating together and laughing and unloading groceries together as if they were a couple etc. I'm not saying that proves anything but it does make one question her story.
My guess is that Chloe is a psychopath who was clever enough to manipulate Lukasz into letting her go by feigning being romantically interested in him, then turned on him once she was safely within the protection of the authorities.
I believe this was orchestrated by the lawyer and that is why she wasn’t killed. I think the lawyer hired someone to hire the 2 me so he’s not tied to the crime… that explains the lack of knowledge that a mother is of less value to the trafficking world.
I must have been living under a rock to never have heard about this. And leave it to 2 international kidnappers to make me feel like I'm underachieving in life.
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yeah I must be living under the same rock ig
🤣🤣🤣..you so cute & funny!
@@anabaird3835 Thanks! 😉
Yeah just up from under my rock .. Who knew 🤣
Jussie Smollett should have took lessons from her.
This right here. This is the best comment on this video. Good on you, KillerBebe. You have made me smile quite a bit this morning...
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You are correct, she should have taken lessons.
They are all following in Kim K's footsteps. Remember her fake kidnapping in France.
Forget Jussie. He got caught and he is no longer relevant. How about Kim K who became more famous with her kidnapping story that helped bump the viewers for her family's show. She always gets away with things, so much so that people have already forgotten about her kidnapping story and instead only remembers Smollett's story.
That was a good analysis. She was a local 'glamour' model, in the UK. They pose near nude in center pages in tabloids papers, Think adult 'entertainment modeling like OnlyFans. Definitely NOT a supermodel in the USA sense of the work/word you are familiar with. Just thought I'd mention this, a real professional modeling agency/agent wouldn't send supermodel to this random guy. .
It was a real professional model agency.
She was believable in Britain at the start. Now she’s just cashing in & playing the game for even more publicity. Good luck to her! A horrible thing happened to her…
@@SamS-uv2ql real agency doesn't mean reputable or good agency. Real just means some dude filed paperwork with their city to operate as a business. Good, reputable agencies don't send you to unknown places overseas for fictitious shoots. They also don't send you out alone, the first few times.
@@forallthestupidshit3550 But it was a real professional model agency, contrary to the claim I was responding to.
@@SamS-uv2ql NO, it wasn't. Not because you register a business as 'pro modelling agency' that it is as such. Plenty of these open every day, even advertise luring desperate women to sign up with them to make quick money off then in small non pro jobs, like the one he sent her to and got kidnapped! This was a side business for the owner who was already fully employed in a non-fashion/modeling business. Zero real super model have worked with this agency.I have worked full time with Elite agency NYC, was also warned of these scam agencies. Anyone working in this field can see right away this is not a pre professional super model agency!!!!
"... considering a career change..." I love your wit 💌
This has WAY more info than the 60 minutes episode did... but now I'm leaning more towards she's in on it. What about her 1st trip out there where he paid the taxi? They could've planned it then and that's why there's no electronic trail. The guy is clearly nuts, so she knows no one would believe him if he confessed.
Had she been involved, they wouldn't have needed all that Paris rigmarole just to meet.
@@eadweard. incorrect. Another investigation into this pointed out that the Paris thing was HER attempt to start the hoax earlier, but was thwarted by Paris authorities being more present and aware of her travels and his. Also, there is an electronic trail to their initial communications. Why is that not in this video?
@@forallthestupidshit3550 Hard to see how any of that is pertinent to what I said.
@@rullmourn1142 yes, and also mentally disabled. He was manipulated by her. She wasn't just "in on it." She planned it.
She wasn't in on it. Lukasz Herba, who is a Polish national from the United Kingdom, is a pathological liar. And then the evidence that she was injected with ketamine.
Agree with your analysis. Sad what people do for attention. Thanks Dr G😊🧡🧡
@@cht2162 Thank you😊⚔🛡
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Or for love...😅 😂 🤣
They are all following in Kim K's footsteps. Remember her fake kidnapping in France.
Dr. Grande, could you do a video on this topic? So the mother of the 10 year old rape victim was interviewed the other day. This is the little 10 year old who was raped and was refused an abortion in Ohio. The step father was arrested for the rape and now is held on a 2 million dollar bond. So the mother was defending him in the interview and it turns out she is also pregnant with his child. She is in love with him and denies that it was him who got the child pregnant. WHY do so many women do this? Why do they look at their child as competition? Why would they allow their children to be sexually abused by some random guy because they “love” him? They reject their own children and allow despicable abuse to keep that guy in their lives? What is the psychological profile of a monster parent like that?
Yes, this was heartbreaking. Following.
So sad. My grandmother did this to my aunt. I was very close to my grandmother & she died when I was a child & before I knew. I feel betrayed on behalf of my aunt & wonder how my relationship with my grandmother would have changed if she had lived longer. Any person who abuses your child has NO place in your life. It is the ultimate betrayal. "Love" for the perp, denial, financial considerations... So many possible reasons. At the end of the day none of it matters. I'd live penniless in a cardboard box with my child before I would allow a man to r@pe her.
I don’t think “so many women” do this.
@@l-train7876 it's a lot more common than people think and WAY more common than it should be.
@@Marymackthequeenofwack Oh really? What's your statistics and source, please?
I think Dr. Grande got the characters mixed up in the reduced sentencing part of the story. It was Lukasz's 37 year old brother Michał Herba whose sentence was reduced to five years. Lukasz's sentence had been reduced to 12 years: "In 2021, the 16-year sentence of Michal Herba was reduced on appeal to 5 years and 8 months. The sentence of Lukasz Herba had already been reduced, in 2020, to 12 years and 1 month."
Thank you. It was confusing. Love the pic.
She should be in jail instead 🤨
Definitely intriguing as well as humourous. You always manage to merge the two so well no matter how serious the story is. I really look forward to your videos. I watch them on my lunch break at work and on the bus and in the park.... you name the location and you're there.
I'm still on the fence with this one... I've watched interviews, read a bunch of articles & even tried to watch some of the court case.(knowing the Italian system is quite different) but I can't shake this same feeling that I had when Sherri Pappini disappeared. Her story doesn't quite sit right... his story is all over the place... she changed her statement to police... the courts threw the book at him but dramatically reduced the sentence on appeal....just odd. And I'm usually a big advocate for victims accused of not reacting "normally"... people deal with trauma differently, and psychological control can be just as effective as physical restraints in preventing an escape. But something doesn't quite feel right to me with this one. Maybe both stories are true... he was going to kidnap her in Paris, something happened & then she was in on it in Italy 🤷♀️
She's full of 💩. Look at her insta. Doesn't look like a traumatised victim lol. Absolute scam artist she is
I agree
She's a narcissistic and perhaps even sociopathic liar.
They are all following in Kim K's footsteps. Remember her fake kidnapping in France.
I’m with you! It very easily could be a combination of theories 1,2,and 3. I just can’t believe that someone who had really been through something ‘so bad’ as she calls it, would do all these interviews to talk about it.
I remember her on the news right after being "rescued" she was posing for the cameras revelling in the attention and this was right after it supposedly happened..and after she cashed in on it even appeared on celebrity big brother snd came across as a horrible shalliow person honestly. But that doesn't mean she wasnt kidnapped
@@robertgreen2176 so so.. you?
@@EmiFromMars I'm doing great
No, it doesn't show she wasn't kidnapped. All the other things show she wasn't kidnapped.
@@mjkarger89 simp. it’s obvious she faked it if you paid any attention to the details of the story instead of ogling over her looks
I remember seeing that news interview. It was weird.
I definitely feel like she was in on it.
She strikes me as narcissistic and manipulative.
100 Percent.
Oh absolutely she was in on it. She's definitely not unattractive, BUT, believes she's more attractive than she truly is. Throw in some narcissism and an attitude of entitlement, and you got her!
Can you please explain then why the "hoaxers" went to jail for kidnapping rather than for the much lesser charge they would have received for hoaxing the police? After all, they could prove a hoax extremely easily.
@@karlepaul6632 totally agree, totally self-obsessed! So shallow, she's playing the dizzy blonde for sure
Good morning Dr. Grande💗 Thank you for the new video! I hope you're having a wonderful weekend so far. I'm currently cooking breakfast for my 7kiddos and listening to your video while doing so is so unbelievably calming & relaxing. You must definitely keep me going at a calm & steady pace, as opposed to like a chicken with my head cut off. Lol.
I wish police would stop using peoples reaction to situations as evidence of guilt or innocence. Her display of calmness means nothing except that she’s calm and is evidence of nothing. She may have been trying to survive.
Quite. Whilst I still think it’s possible she was in on it, the balance of evidence is that she wasn’t and her behaviour is no evidence of that at all. Some of it is only evidence of her being desperate for fame, and her calmness isn’t even that. Although I’m quite a volatile person in some minor situations, I’ve found myself to be calm in emergencies, such as when I’ve been assaulted a few times.
I wish so too, unless they have the credentials in talking to victims of this magnitude I think they should butt out.
People cope in different ways and these men aren’t typically the targets of abduction and human trafficking so how would they know how’d they’d cope with their experiences.
When you know someone could just easily pick you up and run away with you, you develop and think a bit differently than a person who hasn’t been physically lifted off the ground in 10+ years.
Agreed! I'm actually a decently calm person when tragic things happen and it's occurred to me that I'd be totally sus to the cops in a situation involving a crime.
I've been in or witnessed some pretty crazy shit in my life like major car accidents, people or family in medical emergencies, etc. and I'm pretty calm through it. I do react mentally/emotionally inside it's not like I don't "feel"fear or panic but I'm pretty good at maintaining my composure. I shift into survival/preserve life mode. Whether that be to dial 911 and speak clearly/coherently or put pressure on a wound, cut someone's seat belt, keep an injured person calm, perform heimlich maneuver, I've done all those things and more because I can cut through the clutter in my brain and just ACT on adrenaline, all the while not crying or screaming my head off.
@@joan6096 it's that stupid stereotype that men still have of women, especially, that we should be in tears, trembling while recounting our stories, etc. Basically that we should be obviously emotional all the time. It's incredible ridiculous to judge anyone based off of that. She could've just been laughing at his jokes to keep the illusion going, so he wouldn't make any trouble. She didn't know if he's capable of taking her hostage publicly if he's desperate and psychotic.
Thank you for this. As someone with severe anxiety and issues with shame, I would probably be on death row if they questioned me about any crime. 🙁
The stupidity in this one is palpable. I actually hurt myself from rolling my eyes too many times. 👍👍
This guy Lucas definitely got trapped in fantasy land. Perhaps he saw one too many movies but he had a very frail grasp on reality. She was certainly naive
I laughed so hard I almost peed myself.
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A woman who lived in Redding, California named Sherri Papini hoaxed her own kidnapping. This case of Chloe sounds awfully familiar... 🤔
He covered that case.
She wasn’t branded though
In addition to your analyses being extremely interesting, you have great talent at wading through all the murky details of these cases and sifting out the important points. Thanks Dr. Grande!!!
Thanks!
Dr Grande your deadpan jokes literally kill me- the intellect combined with the flat affect when you pull a zinger is just- belissimo! Chefs kiss* Thanks for your videos! They are my unintentional ASMR!
I wish modeling agencies would send an extra person, any person, as security with their models when flying to other countries like this. Not send them alone on an airplane to an un-tried company with nearly blind trust. Looking up a website on the internet should not count as a security check, all of that could be easily faked.
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Instead of calling the extra person "security", just call them an "assistant" to the model. Qualifications to become the modelling assistant: over 6 foot tall big dude, who can beat the crap out of a guy and his brother if they try to inject the model with a needle.
Dont mean to sound rude but are you going to pay for the expenses or what？
There have been other instances of models going to jobs alone and they're murdered. I seriously doubt modeling agencies financially barely get by and can't afford to hire security for models that want it
I don't know very much about the industry. I'm surprised that a minor model flies to another country for a photo shoot.
@@lynnehuff9659 I don't believe her. Too many things don't add up. Why would they pick a working model on IG, pay her agent and then kidnapping her instead of a random person on the street? This was planned.
Even when I worked for a high profile ad agency, the models would show up alone. However, there was a business relationship already established between us and the modeling agency we used. We weren’t some rando business.
The humour runs deep with Dr G.
Good morning Dr. Grande!☀️
I just wanted to thank you for the wonderful video you uploaded on Patreon yesterday. The delivery was so unexpected and such a delight to watch. Fantastic job.❤️
The Raven. Outstanding.
So clever!
@@susansandler8429 Hi Susan
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She lied. If you listened to all her interviews on UA-cam there's one where she said she entered the studio and went around the corner looking for someone. Then was attack. Most other interviews she said she was attacked at the door. She keeps saying she was brain washed but she doesn't seem to be someone who would comply so quickly in 6 days that she wouldn't call for help when in public or with neighbors so close. Also never once does she mentioned being scared that she'd never see her son again. I feel police and the judge have been duped by her "halo affect". She "brushed off" to policy that they went shoe shopping. When asked if she was laughing and joking like a couple she denies it but never says she was playing the role to make him fall in love with her. Nothing makes sense. I'm surprised by your professional assessment on this one. Watch The Behavior Panel. The 4 do an assessment of her interview and rated her at 70 on the deception scale (anything above 11 is considered deception present). The highest of ALL the people they have assessed on their show.
I've just watched The Behavioural Panel analysis which is brilliant. Absolutely love those 4 & their chat 😍
The Behavior Panel has recently done a good analysis of her story.
They are all following in Kim K's footsteps. Remember her fake kidnapping in France.
@@JL-uo1di after Ray Jay called her & Kris Jenner out about the s%x tape, this is highly possible & very sick if it's true!
At last you chose one of my suggestions! 🥳👍
I only just noticed the really cute little cactus behind Dr Grande, on the left. The teeny tiny one! Lol.. I love this channel!
Awesome! I watched the 60 minutes Australia about this earlier today!!!
Me too!
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The behaviour panel have done a great video on this. I think it's worth a watch.
Wow, thank you for seeing this! I’m crying. THANK YOU. As a survivor myself, I see this case exactly as you do (including understanding why people would conclude she is lying, due to the way society is set up), but I’m surprised and grateful that someone who hasn’t experienced something like this can understand the nuances of how the relationship between Chloe and her perpetrator certainly would have played out this way WITHOUT her consent, and why she would use these tactics to survive. And, that you understand her behaviors after the event means so much to me.
I wish there was more education on trauma recovery feelings and behaviors, so that people who are lucky enough to have never experienced this could understand a little more about how and why the brain tries to make sense of the completely changed world, and maybe even have compassion for the fact that a survivor’s behaviors are usually more of a surprise to the survivor than to anyone else, which is one of the more difficult aspects of recovery (though nowhere near as difficult as not being believed; I was believed because it was obvious, but I’ve been in trauma treatment with many women who aren’t believed, and that seems like a hell on earth, in many ways much worse than the original crime).
I saw body language experts suggest that in the interviews she gives, she does a ton of the signs of deception. She has Duper's delight and little things like that. I personally think she was in on it. A ton of red flags if you watch her interviews. Either she's an innocent person who happens to be a narcissist, or she didn't know what was going on well enough to understand what was going on, or she used them to get attention.
But she comes off as REALLY knowing the details of the plan and not being able to recall details of what happened to her. It's bizzare and I lean towards her using the others just due to how bizzare she comes off as. I do admit the interview could've been poorly done and her trauma could have severely damaged her ability to speak of her accounts well, but the Duper's Delight smiles she gives on the exact times she shouldn't give them just really push me to not believing her.
@@DarkflameEmperor You read my comment and responded with THIS?????
@@Rae_777 Yes. I understand you see something similar to yourself and your experiences in her, but looking past that, you can see the signs.
I hope you are able to as well. Sorry if truth can't get past your personal trauma. Peace to you.
Sorry you had to go through that, and yep i believe her, the story adds up imo ! i can see why she would act like that and i can see why he would take her shoe shopping and i can see why she didnt reveal that to police, is behaviour is strange to normal people but perfectly consistent with a mentally ill man whos convinced himself he has a new gf ! it all adds up in the context of the people involved ! you dont have to be a phsocolgist to understnad tht people act differently in different circumsances !
@@mcpartridgeboy Yes, but when giving an account of a tragic event, victims rarely pay attention to the details and pay more attention to the threat.
When recalling events, this particular individual recalled details most people wouldn't even notice if they weren't undergoing trauma. The physical evidence also didn ot support her account, so one has to question whether or not it is possible she is not telling the truth.
Or the people giving her the shot were experts at doing injections while a victim is struggling. She had a clean injection but suggested it took multiple males to constrain her.
I get she wanted to make herself look good in every scenario she brought up, but it really made it difficult to believe her side of events when she was always doing superhuman feats like being able to fight off multiple males, while the males she fought off were so capable they managed to inject her wrist with a perfect injection.
At a point the exaggeration (she might've just be unable to convey herself as a victim, which is understandable.) needs to be looked at with scrutiny.
She was injected perfectly in the wrist, so if he account of being abducted is true, she offered no resistance and allowed herself to be injected. So the question is why she needs to make herself look good in her accounts, and so you are forced to question her side of the story.
She gained everything from this ordeal as well. If it really happened to her, that's great. But the fact that some communications between the trio suggested she came up with the get a ton of followers scheme, it just feels wrong.
If you ever see someone have a duper's delight smirk it instantly makes you question every single detail they espouse.
I'm not saying she didn't have the kidnapping occur, but she's lying about a ton of things and I don't know why she is unless she doesn't like being a victim and has to make every event into a "I fought as hard as I could" event.
But knowing how the real world works and listening to her side of the events just doesn't add up. Or she was abducted by extreme professionals and she was really good at resisting restraint. It's a miracle she had a clean injection in any case other than if she willingly was injected, perhaps even if they held her at gunpoint and she was co-erced into willingly being injected.
Millions of people have been abducted and don't make it out. I just hope people aren't lying to gain from the horrible events that others have to face for real.
And if her abductors only targeted her it's also fishy. If they had more victims I'd suspect a heavier sentence than six years.
As usual, you always come through with your witty, dry humor, lol ~ I love it and I always look forward to it!! Great job! I love a great sense of humor!☺😂😍
I think she's lying.
My dog is now apparently recognizing your cadence and knows we’re relaxing in bed for the night, straight to his comfy spot 😂
Dr. Grande’s dry humor never fails to make me laugh. “Remember the time I said you would be eaten by Tigers? Good times.” 🤣🤣🤣
This analysis was SUPER interesting and well done!
Dr. Grande, I so enjoy your videos. You have such a good handle on all of this and such a good way about explaining it to a layman such as myself. I really appreciate that you also say at times not to put too much weight on the diagnosing etc because it is often wrong and may not mean anything anyway. I do find it helpful however in navigating the world and my marriage despite labeling myself and family with some pretty nasty sounding descriptors. It seems to me that the better we understand ourselves the better we can work on our negative attributes and improve relationships in our lives.
Thank you.
Paused just to type.... WTF.
Paused again to edit and add... sleep back to back.... HA ha ba ha ha. I love you doctor Grande!
And after everything, in the end. I'm so creeped out. Thank you for the wild ride!
If she'd been abducted for trafficking she'd have been sold immediately. They wouldn't keep her for any length of time, costing them money for the country house rental.....and in a place where there were neighbours and a small town where she'd be spotted. Nobody apart from the kidnappers and "clients" would ever get to see her....
She clearing wasn't thinking any of that.
And she's a glamorour model with a plethora of beautiful, sexy pictures but the one they post is the one where she is bound and drugged up. Total fictional plot planned by idiots. Wait until Lucas is out and he'll come collecting for his payout.
I lean towards the second option. He was trying to get her attention and it blew up in his face.
Chloe has just enough antisocial features to not care what anyone else thinks and to take advantage of the situation to promote herself.
I suspect he was hoping to blow up in her face.
Agreed.
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Agreed. That resume that situation quite well.
Right words I needed to define her behaviour, ANTI-SOCIAL FEATURES is it. Bravo 👏
He likely set up the breakfast and shopping to have witnesses and surveillance showing her friendly 'participation'. Anyone would play along if they believed there was a chance for freedom.
If the guy went that far to 'win' her over, it's quite frightening how delusional he is.
Thanks for an interesting analysis on this Dr. Grande. It's one i hadn't heard of before.
Yeah but even the neighbors said nothing looked odd and that it looked like they were all there together as friends or whatever. The neighbors saw them sitting outside and said Chloe definitely didn’t look like she was held against her will.
They never thought about the cameras catching them shoe shopping together which is why she came up with the excuse of playing along. Plain and simple. She thought she was clever but she wasn’t and she’s not. Even her interview looks incredibly rehearsed. That, or she literally has no emotions and could care less that her life was in danger. It’s very bizarre and if this is real, she is not helping her case whatsoever.
It's very unlikely anyone is going to get a specific working model, pay her $2k just to traffick her in an auction. Why risk talking to her agent and paying £2000, also leaving a trail where she went. They would grab someone random off the streets. She would have been more believable if she said she was nabbed on vacation and got away.
She could have gotten help on that shopping excursion or escaped.
Not only a super agency, but also an agency serving as a model for all other agencies.
You're as dry as my favorite champagne! Thank you for the belly laughs xoxo
This was clearly a hoax. Being obsessed with her modeling career, she would definitely enter into a conspiracy like this but wouldn't waste any time hanging around with someone who'd kidnapped her when she could be back home making legitimate income. But this story also reveals how much else in our world is essentially a hoax - including bringing a child into this world and leaving the care of that child to someone else, selling products based on the physical appearance of someone posing with them, and reducing the sentence of someone convicted of a felony from 16 years to 5 years based solely on legal negotiations. We live in a world where almost everything is a hoax, it's just a matter of type and degree.
Yup just like the stocks and money in our banks/broker accounts are fake.
It's all a ponzi scheme to suck up money.
@@bluex610 These days when I think of financial hoaxes I think of how the Russians are contriving a seemingly healthy economy that's actually collapsing beneath the surface. But I guess if we were going to itemize the financial hoaxes in this world we'd have to write more words than Tolstoy and Dostoevsky combined.
Hello Dr. Grande, would you please analyze the case of lavena johnson. As a female veteran this has been haunting me since I discovered it.
Hello Dr Grande, Your analysis of this, is very insightful. I'm inclined to agree with your opinion, about chloe being kidnapped and being a victim. Traumatic events like this,tend to spark controversy, because of a victims reaction to the situation. We have to realize, that people react differently to extreme trauma. Basing ones innocence or guilt,on how a person is reacting, is not enough. After a thorough investigation, the resulting evidence is what convicted Klay,and exonerated chloe.
It wasn't merely her reactions but rather the stories she had been telling all roud, her stories kept on changing, her stories revolved around the set up how they did every bit they did rather what she FELT.
He tried to do a beauty and the beast but forgot kidnapping is, you know, illegal.
You really believe that? For a start she said she was trying to stop them injecting her yet he police said it was a clean injection no evidence of a struggle, also no ket in her system which would have still been in her system, the logic around all of this is like a 10 year old trying to copy the taken film. She's talking out her bottom
She got the publicity she wanted while omitting the shoe shopping experience, relaxed and laughing with him was witnessed. She could easily gone into a rest room at the restaurant and alerted staff or someone else. Evidence of a needle mark could just as easily been for her drug of choice. Perhaps the guy she’d friended on Facebook was a dumb arse with his fantasies. She obviously showed no signs of distress and I think she orchestrated a plan and set him up gaining his trust by sleeping with him.
Ketamin was found in her hair..
@@Peacefullyatbeach104 Which proves she had it in her system, not that it was injected into her against her will. Ketamine is a common party drug and she strikes me as the party girl type.
I think it is possible some loser kidnapped her in order to orchestrate this absurd plan to make her fall for him, but if you think ketamine in her hair proves her innocence then you've created a pretty low standard innocence.
Sounds perfect
It wouldnt be the first time a kidnap victim went along with her kidnappers either out of fear or because they came to depend on the kidnapper for survival.
I think it is fairly reasonable that someone would think they had a better chance of survival by playing along with someone who seemed like they would release them rather than trying to risk it all and make an escape that might make the kidnaper change his mind if he caught her. not saying there isn't a decent chance that it was a hoax, but i think there is also a decent chance it wasn't. And the language barrier thing actually makes some sense if she needed the escape to be fast in fluid so she was gone before he figured it out. And if she really thought there was a whole organization working with this guy, then it would make sense for her to not want to turn someone against her who she thought would be one of the few people who could protect her.
We all want more value for our ransom dollars! That's just being a good consumer, Doctor.
It was a super upload, you must be the funniest mental health expert on UA-cam, always enjoy your vids,. You are fair and cuttingly funny without being offensive.
If this happened to Chloe for real, it's sad that we're suspicious. But there are some odd parts. First she's handcuffed to furniture, then they're shoe shopping? Enjoying a jovial breakfast? If it was simply a bid for attention, they worked way too hard. Although she got work from it, so perhaps the scheme was effective, at least for her.
Yep if you had a gf youd take her shoe shopping to be nice to and have breakfast (just like a deluded maniac would do if he somehow convinced himselff he had a new gf) and if you were the victim of a kidnapping by some crazy guy you too would pretend to be his gf if you thought it wa your only chance of survival ! it doesnt make sense to you because your not a crazed madman who hatched a ludicrous plan and it also doesnt make sense to you because you are not the victim of aa kidnapping by a madman who has persuaded you that the only way you are going to survive is by pretneding to be his gf.
Dr Grande. I am a deep expert in analysis. First, I know my boundaries for analysis. I know that to do good analysis, much less great analysis requires solid background in the field where the analysis is done. But the patterns of good/great analyses are clear in your work here. First, you started with 3 possible patterns to explain the events. Check, you did that well. Then you added and subtracted information to see if the facts supported each other in a cohesive story. Lastly you said, did the players match known types. Thank you great analysis.
You have a generous heart, Dr Grande. I am doubtful of her innocence.
The police cleared her of any wrongdoing. There is no evidence that she knew her kidnappers. Her hair proved she really was drugged, which would not have been necessary if she was in on it. Drugging is not like in the movies. It can kill a person if you don't know what you are doing. If it had been a hoax, the kidnappers would have been able to explain how they knew each other and there would probably be some proof of contact. The best explanation is the one the police proved in court.
@@castlerock58 Italian police often don't know their asses from their elbows. However, if it was a hoax why didn't they invent some fake kidnappers like in the Sherri Papini case? So yeah, strange as it sounds, I agree with you. As you said, why on Earth would hoaxers go to jail when proving the hoax for them would be so easy?
Such a bizarre case!
Loved your homor throughout.... "I just want more value for my ransom dollars." 😂
People from here and another 60 minutes special were on her Instagram commenting just an hour ago. Most were saying they thought she was lying. I went and looked to see if it got worse and her official Instagram was deleted!!! 🤣
I think that you're right, Dr. G. I thought she was in on it until you said there was no evidence of prior communication between them That made it less credible that she could've been in cahoots because that would've been incredibly difficult to pull off without leaving any type of cyber trail. From the moment she became compliant & started playing into his fantasy, he started slipping into boyfriend mode. It was probably his idea to take her shopping as an affectionate gesture, and I'm pretty sure he paid for the shoes and breakfast. He was attempting to shift her mind out of the whole " scary kidnapping thing" which speaks to how stupid he thinks she (and everyone else he's lied to) is. She's not acting like a traumatized victim because she wasn't harmed physically, verbally and yeah she was scared but he rushed in quickly to sooth her fears. He actually thought a fairytale rescue would play out, the hero gets the girl. He's narcissistic and she is only lucky that he wasn't also psychopathic.
If I were her, I'd also feel stupid admitting to the police that I played along and went shopping, when I felt that I was not in danger at the moment and all I had to do was keep it going until I get to the embassy then I'm good. He only turned himself in because otherwise he would have no way to communicate with her after the ordeal without the police tracking him down and arresting him. Great story, I've never heard of it before, thanks for covering it.
Syndelle: very good analogy. I agree with your interpretation
Burner phones?
@@sassycat6468 24 minutes before me.
Yes, all this would need is two burner phones. Or good old fashioned face to face contact
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That’s lies she was friends with him on fb years before this happend lol
“I just want more value for my ransom dollars”. 🤣 #priceless
Thanks for the content Doc ! Me and the guys listen daily 💯🔥
You and "the guys?" Your lovers?
@@johnqpublic2718 lol the homies !
Michael - Great respect for your answer. If he was trying g to bate you( not a big "if" in my opinion!), you proved yourself the FAR better person! Nice work!
You make me think seriously,but your humor makes me laugh, reality!!
Excellent as usual Dr. Grande. I wonder if you will analyze what may be going on with former talk show host and gossip queen Wendy Williams.
Yes. I didn’t think of this one but I’d be very interested to hear Dr. Grande’s analysis.
yeah, everything I've seen of her makes it hard to imagine her coming up with this plot and it makes sense for him to level claims about her involvement in mounting a legal defense and avoiding responsibility. it's unfortunate that his sentence has been reduced so much because he sounds like a pretty disturbed person who may be a future threat to others. I love the "super" jokes 😂 great video Dr. Grande❣️
Why is it hard to imagine? What about her makes it unbelievable? Are you inferring she isn't smart enough? She actually had high grades in school and was on her way to a law career but that was derailed by her unplanned pregnancy.
@@sfletch3042 she was implying, you were inferring
Watch The Behaviour Panel. She was assessed at a 70 (the highest ever of all their analysis) for deception when a score of 11 indicates deception.
The case seems to go everywhere, there are a lot of twists and turns.
I can see why some people think it is a hoax.
I would have to learn more about it to come to a more informed conclusion.
Very dramatic case, thank you for the explanation and analysis.
Omg… I always love your dry sarcasm but this video is your best example. 😂😂😂👍🏻❤️
Weren’t they friends on Facebook even after the kidnapping…? Usually I don’t care about stupid stuff like that, but if that were me and I was targeted and kidnapped based off of my social media, I’d go through my friends list and delete people I didn’t know. Actually, if it were really me, I’d delete all social media but still.
A person with a severe trauma cannot talk about it without being shaken: tearful or upset and in case she cannot show emotion they can't talk about it yet. She talks about it as she just had a day as usual. Also her eyes are without emotion. I don't believe her for one second.
I do believe she agreed to some parts of kidnapping and some parts of it she didn't
This woman does not come across as traumatised in any way......I don't believe her story. She comes across as a narcissist.
Especially pulling the mic closer to her and then model posing outside of her home and with dog. If she was traumatized, the last thing she should want is cameras identifying her home. Never once does she mention her son and scared of never seeing him.
Many victims have saved their lives by pretending to show affection towards their captors. Glad she got out!
Yeah Dr. Grande in Sunday morning 🥰
Woohoo ! You just made my Monday ( in NZ ) better !!
Yup, bogus - pretty much anyway you look at it. PS - She better exploit her looks for modeling asap - hers are the type that fades after a certain number of years go by. Lucas got his sentence reduced how? And he paid a lot of money to go through with all of this falsehood - hiring her, paying airfare, cab fare, the computer website - etc. - who was paying those monies to begin with? Daddy and mommy? And how did he convince his brother now facing prosecution to go along with this hair brained misadventure? All very very weird.
Correct. He didn't have the capital or the intelligence to pull this off without HER guidance. Other coverage of this story spoke more about the planning stages, and how she sought him out. She is a stupid and evil as Sherry Papini.
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Good evening Dr.Grand🌵e.
I appreciate you choosing such challenging & sometimes mind bending cases.
Your very clear analysis always
helps process many feelings.
It truly sounds like they were enjoying their ketamine.. came up with this completely believable
plan..😐.
The dissociative nature of that
drug will have people do some
of the dumbest things.
Your case in point Doc.😉
I appreciate you work.. very
much so.
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Hi Dr. Grande. Chloe' was probaly in on this scheme to get publicity for her modeling career. Great analysis Dr. G. Happy & spectacular times hopefully await you & your family. Peace, love, Janine Smiley😀🙂😎🤩😍🖤❣🦓☕🍉🍊🍓🍍🍌🍇🥥🍅🥝🥑☕🎂☕🍪☕🍩☕🥧🍫🍧🍨
"if he keeps appealing, he could be released at any second" I laughed so loudly at that I woke my husband,.and the dog🤣🤣
If Lucas keeps appealing, he could be released at any minute .🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂💯👏🤦😂😂
I don't even think he was trying to be funny but I lmao 🤣
@@NieceyWeesey....had to watch it a few times.....🤦😂😂🤣🤣....the dry humor of the Doc.....priceless 👌😆
Can you please do an analysis of the Snowtown Murders (aka the bodies in barrels murders)? It was local to me. Very disturbing case involving torture.
Brilliant case analysis, thank you
She was friends in social media with the kidnapper since 2015. How idiot you may have been to being not able to escape your kidnappers or alert any one for so many incidents of dining, shopping and going around
Totally in on it.
4:03 around this part it’s like Scooby Doo where the bad guy tells all the info to the victim 🙄 no kidnapper is going to be doing all that.
Also having worked in the industry when you have a shoot especially one where you travel you are sent tons of emails with hair and makeup, a call time, your agent is in on everything.
Her meeting the guy to get payment for the taxi is suspicious. That would have been something he could have just paid her back for through the agency. It’s suspicious and unbelievable if you ask me.
This is a super, super analysis 👌
Thank you for these interesting videos! I would really love to see one about Ricky Kasso the Acid King. I read Jesse P. Pollack's book "the Acid King" and watched his documentary of the same name about the case. Both incredibly interesting. The book is based on few hundred hours of interviews of the actual kids at the time and as an adults. I would really like to hear your opinion about what was going on with Ricky (and his victim Gary Lauwers) during their short 17 years of life.
I’ve been suggesting the Ricky Kasso case for months to all the leading guys. Hopefully someone will do an in-depth dive soon.
@@PattMcCrotch Yes, exactly in debth dive! I could easily watch 2 hours of analysis and then rewatch it
I'm late to the party, but you're downright hilarious @8:37. Great analysis.
I agree. Some peoples trauma response is to freeze so that could explain why she seems so calm.
Simply, the plan worked! Whose plan was this, ask Chloe again (and again, and again...)
The whole case is bizarre and hilarious but your humor made it even more fun😅👍👏
Just saw your awesome cactuses hanging on a string🌵🌵🌵 Love your studio as always. Your channel is the best❤
One of my most successful chat-up lines is that I own a massive synthetic chicken feed factory.
I remember following this at the time, they were both in on it, she threw her simp under the bus
I believe she was in on the plan
would you let someone handcuff you put duct tape over your mouth and put you in a suitcase just for fame?
I think, that she was the head of the consiracy. Who knows where the two met? Maybe on the street, maybe in a club. They probably also wanted to make a trip to Paris, which is why they met there. Maybe they came up with the kidnapping hoax when they met in Paris.
This is barely coherent.
in one meeting they would be able to create something that elaborate?
@@gombocdimensional9050 Where was this action elaborate? In my opinion they didn't really plan the details, just to fake an abduction to raise money and public interest. Then they went to Italy and there they hid for quite some time while trying to figure out how to go on. And even when they thought they had figured out their great plan, they acted chaotic.
As always, an exemplary analysis, Dr Grande. Not sure if you have already done so, but Max Wade's case is similar in trying to impress someone via outlandish hijinks. He's the kid that stole Guy Fieri's Lamborghini. ✌❤🍺
Hello Dr Todd,
What a confusing story! Much as I enjoyed your telling of it, it was more like a fairy tail than real life, and I was just as confused by the end, as I was at the beginning.
As a, now deceased, Irish comedian used to say "It's the way that you tell them." 🤔😀😱
Penny from Christchurch. 🇬🇧
Good Morning! Perfect timing ☕
Maybe if the agency had included the word "duper" with super?
Dr. Grande, i does believe I've asked this of a content creator before... (for specific coverage of something). Would you consider giving us your take on the Von and Tre McCray 'drama' that is currently playing out?
I just recently heard of it and it is raising a lot of eyebrows and alarms.
I'm sure many would like to hear your analysis of the situation.
Thank you if you do, and even if you don't, know that you are appreciated!
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Thanks for giving me something to google, on this quiet Sunday! Looking forward to Dr. Grande's video on this...
I *don't believe, not i does lol.
@@forallthestupidshit3550 It's a strange one! Maybe more so because it's playing out on social media 🤔
@@Blissfulnessence that's probably why I've never heard of it. The closest I come to social media is YT comments, and my young friends (grandkids) tell me this is not social media, hahahaha. I'll be looking for some videos on that case. Sunday internet sleuthing here I come!
Thanks again, Bliss 💚
@@forallthestupidshit3550 Welcome. 😊
Dr. (of Shade) Grande comes through with the burns again! 🤣
Just a reminder I'm not diagnosing anybody in this video; only speculating what could be happening in a situation where you are photographing a supermodel like this: 'Oh yeah, that's great that's great, too the left oh yeah give it to me baby, you're beautiful baby, now turn to the right"
I really thought you were gonna be like "Oh yeah baby, you're beautiful! Now turn left, show me those handcuffs, Yes! Perfect, make them shine just like you! " Or something like that alluding to her being physically kidnapped while he's taking pictures 🤣
@@MsSwitchblade13 Hi ! I'm not sure if this is a hoax or a kidnapping, so i just played up the supermodel/ photography thing. :)
@@MsSwitchblade13 I read your comment again just now, I think your ideas are good, you should join me in my hobby of writing ridiculous comments.
Lucas: " Hey Michael let's fake kidnap a supermodel to make her fall in love with me. Then I will play the hero and save her before she's sold to the Arabs at a discount price because she's got a kid. After that I will take her shopping and get arrested for my crimes and being part of some bullshit black hand organization.". Michael: "Yeah that sounds cool but I wanna get arrested too." Lucas: "We'll see."
She was in on it absolutely and totally screwed the poor chap over. All for some more followers and fame. It’s gross
kidnap or hoax?
well, I personally am inclined towards the second, if anything because the plot of this Lucas guy is almost as over-complicated as a bad fanfiction written by a not so bright pre-teen... 😅
... still a better story than Twilight, but barely
I don’t get why people use certain aspects of the story against her, like going out in public, when other proven victims have done that before. And the neighbors not noticing anything? No one noticed Ariel Castro had 3 women in his basement for a decade. I think it was fake, but I don’t think she was involved.
@@tennisfan8979 That is more of an ideological assessment than a factual one.
Your last sentence: How can it be fake but her not involved?
@@B_Bodziak the kidnapper guy faked it. To play the hero and save her from the made up “company”
The issue isn't the shopping trip itself. It is that she lied to cops about it. Also, the owner of the rented house this took place at reported that the neighbors saw them outside eating together and laughing and unloading groceries together as if they were a couple etc. I'm not saying that proves anything but it does make one question her story.
@@B_Bodziak Fake as in all the bs about black death crime organization etc was all fake. But she is saying chloe wasn't involved in the planning.
You need to revisit this. I think you're right, I thought she was lying at the start but she has a six part series coming out on BBC
My guess is that Chloe is a psychopath who was clever enough to manipulate Lukasz into letting her go by feigning being romantically interested in him, then turned on him once she was safely within the protection of the authorities.
So she is a psychopath because she used her beauty and manipulated him to let her go???
I believe this was orchestrated by the lawyer and that is why she wasn’t killed. I think the lawyer hired someone to hire the 2 me so he’s not tied to the crime… that explains the lack of knowledge that a mother is of less value to the trafficking world.