Nobody talks about lilly's sidestep. It's almost impossible to counter her if you're using Bryan, you need to have insane execution to counter her sidesteps.
Yoshimitsu is also a specialist character and is being used in tournament. Steve, kazuya, reina... The list goes on. She's good, dont get me wrong shes good. But pretending like she's THAT broken and doesnt place high in tournaments because people dont use her is dubious. There are plenty of very strong and performant ling specialists (yoredz, mr croft, cuddlecore, pling, wecka, sodam, piyohiko, irtaza) some who won majors in t7 when she was a worse character. Also why do people always demonstrate aop being broken by jab straight into move and never putting in dash to realign, or use moves that actually hit aop? In an actual match that is what strong players do, or they just turtle her and step her mostly linear kit. Who runs up to ling and does jab into pressure? Someone who doesnt understand the matchup. Aop 3+4 is seeable, d1+2 is very slow. If we are talking strong aop moves i think uf3 or 1+2 are far better but also not broken. 2,1 is strong heat engager, add it to the list of strong heat engagers in this game, theyre meant to be strong. Her standing punishment and whiff punishment are very strong. Crouching punishment is just pretty good, ws4 is great, but no 15 frame launch from crouch. If you predict hyp 3 then its best to hopkick, not block it and complain about a light punish. Hyp 2 is plus on block, but also has heavy pushback away from wall, just turtle her. At wall, what scary lows does she have after it? Db2, db4, d3? Not that scary. Her heat at wall situation is very dangerous, and corner carry combos are easy. But it's casino. Dont wake up predictably. Or guess and you either hopkick low or block plus high into nonthreatening mix. Im not a ling downplayer she is top 10 for sure. Her basic game plan can definitely carry, she takes a lot less creativity to win compared to t7. She has good punishment, oki, beat combo grab in game, b1, several utility moves, threatening mix, and strong evasion. Its obvious though, 7 months into the game with so little tournament results, that she isnt broken.
@@blackheart59_ basically your argument is that she is insanely broken, basically the best character in the game, but top players who go to tournaments TO WIN MONEY don't bother picking her up. Riiiight. This means either she is very hard to play, and therefore not a good payoff for pros who haven't used her before, and this basically justifies her being strong - or you just being stupid.
I never said best character in the game, but yes, broken for sure Top players don't bother picking her up because she requires a lot of knowledge to play because she plays Tekken her own way, but that doesn't excuse her from being super insanely strong. Xiaoyu specialists are not competing much and that's why the characters never seen in tournaments. I'm sure if Yoredz or Changbang started competing more it would be a mess for everyone, and if that happens, don't say I didn't call it 😂@@LordViktorHun88
@@blackheart59_ So far we have seen Yoredz (the guy who beat Knee and Arslan), Croft, Wecka, Cuddle, Shaoling, Boosterblast (who placed 32nd at Evo), Irtaza, Yuyu, Kayane and a few others who escape me at major tourneys. That Ling players don't show up is simply wrong.
Easy to make a character look OP when highlighting all their strengths but none of their weaknesses. Yes, Xiaoyu's Heat is busted, which is why the developers wisely shortened her heat bar last time they nerfed her. Maybe they will do so again so that she can't get as many strong Hyp mixups. Aside from that, you are complaining about AoP sidestepping by cherry picking moves that it sidesteps (and that are also sidestepped by just sidestepping), while also ignoring the moves that it doesn't. And It's very easy to do this stuff in practice mode against a dummy predictably throwing out moves that you know are coming, but how does it work in an actual match? Lastly, if the evasive character is not evasive, then what is she? What does Ling have left if AoP gets 'nuked' so much that it barely avoids anything that a sidestep and/or crouch wouldn't? Maybe people who are upset about this matchup ought to consider that this game is better for having characters that break certain rules and force you to adapt. It comes across as lazy that just because one character can evade certain moves you would otherwise throw out safely, that that character is then 'stupid', and that it's not down to you to try to develop a different strategy. You're too biased. Clearly this character frustrates you to the point where you aren't objective about her. Also, how is Ling performing at tournaments? Where are the Ling EVO winners? Asuka got a grand final in a major before Ling. No one picks her up. Arslan said it's because her offensive neutral game is lacking. Everyone who has played her would agree. Maybe include that in the analysis?
The problem is not about xiaoyu's evasiveness, the problem is that she doesn't have balanced heat mechanics or damage to balance out the extreme evasiveness she has, like Zafina, for example, does Nobody plays her just because she isn't as immediate to play as other characters, but that doesn't make her any less broken
@@blackheart59_ Then they should down-adjust her Heat mechanics and damage, which I'd be fine with. But the evasiveness is the core of the character and should remain.
@@blackheart59_ And she doesn't. Her long range offensive tools are mediocre outside of Heat, which is why they decided to make her busted in Heat to begin with. A bad solution, but possibly the only good one in a game as aggressively tailored as Tekken 8.
@@WaspGenocide u r so rigth, i did say something like that but when i was going to edit my comment, i got server error... And then my comment misteriously disappear... Its annoying, the words he choose to talk about ling mixup while his main is jun... With a few safe launchers from neutral and heavy mixups with better reward than ling and not having to step or use heat. Just well said.
Nah usually i agree but this is just random hate and whining. Xiaoyu lacks a lot of things, mostly good reliable tools. She is threatening with heat but a meh character once heat is gone. Her gameplay relies entirely on gimmicky 50/50 situations and having more matchup knowledge than you do. There is a reason why you never see her in tournaments. Her shit just doesnt fly in a lan environment against solid players.
You don't see her in tournaments because no xiaoyu specialist is playing tournaments, basically, so stop with the tournament presence bullshit. Xiaoyu doesn't lack anything, she can play well at any range thanks to her evasiveness, and it's not like at mid range she cannot control space with moves like FF3, ff4, F4, ff1, DB2 and so on lol Most of xiaoyu players don't have any matchup knowledge and I say that cause I play a lot of ranked. They just spam the broken stuff of the character and cannot even punish on block with the strong punishment she has
@@blackheart59_ I mean ... that makes no sense. If she is that broken, why should you need to be a specialist to play her ? You make her sound like she is super easy and just needs to spam her broken things. Which would place her next to dragunov in tournament pick strengh. But that isnt the case. I also face her a lot in ranked and i never really struggled because she has very predictable play patterns due to her lack of good tools outside the few gimmicks she does have. There are a few scary xiaoyus, but its like with dj, its a few dedicated players that know the character inside out. I'm not saying she is weak, but she relies way too much on gimmicks because her kit as a whole is not that great. She's annoying to fight and i despise her personality but lets not act as if this wasnt just a lot of personal bias.
@@ezqezq4270because she is not immediate to play and relies on a lot of things you have to know about her gameplan because it's very different from Tekken's standard gameplan. Once you know how to play her tho, she is a complete beast. Tournament presence is irrelevant on the matter
@@blackheart59_ Again yes and no. She is super scary with heat available. But once that is gone and she didnt kill you, she is in a tough spot because she does not have a lot she can rely on and is forced to try and make you do a mistake she can punish. For example aop. If you dont press for a predictable mid duck what is she going to do ? The lows are super slow and punishable, and the other strings are not rly a problem. Just dont get fooled by the super obvious 2, 1 cancel into wiff punish. She's the perfect online character, especially now with the Bo3 format. But she's not rly more than that. In terms of low playrate and lactose intolerance triggering amounts of cheese, i find alisa to be so much more of a problem than xiaoyu will ever be on ladder.
I agree with you on many things but Xiaoyu... I don't know. She's strong asf but Broken/ a huge problem??? First off, let's look at the analytics.... Her winrate is average (used to be VERY low) even with low pickrate, no Xiaoyu main has had success with this character in tournaments, not even Ling specialists like Pling, Dastry, or even the best ling player in the world (YoreDz). Xiaoyu's frame traps are all highs except her BT heat smash and FF3 (which is sidewalkable on the left and side-steppable on the right). Tekken 8 is all about aggression yet what aggressive tools does Xiaoyu have outside of heat?...... Not only that but she has to play at range 0 (cause of her short limbs, none of her lows can hit at range 1 besides aop3 which is Launch punishable on block) which makes her neutral game not that good. AOP is a problem but only AOP duck since its evasion is way too insane. As for her mixups, she can't just manually go into hyp and mix you up unless she's doing a setup. And yeah Xiaoyu's HYP is strong asf in heat but she can only mix you up twice in heat and HYP isn't that good outside of heat. Devs should only nerf hyp in heat so it only can mix you up only once inside heat. As for BT Heat smash, it uses all her heat and now Ling is in HYP with no heat. The best thing about Ling is her defensive tools but her offense is mid which makes her lacking when Aggression win games. Also for her damage, it's deserved considering the fact that her neutral is not good like I mentioned earlier. If you nerf her damage, she'll be garbage asf especially when there's so many characters that has just as much or even more damage than her. Look at Paul, Bryan, Drag, Yoshi, etc ....
Winrate is low because they are trash st fundamental tekken, I've seen xiaoyus at tekken god still not able to punish moves on block If you nerf her damage she will be trash? Good, that's what i want. I want her to disappear😂 You don't see her in tournaments because no xiaoyu specialist is playing tournaments, basically, so stop with the tournament presence bullshit. Xiaoyu doesn't lack anything, she can play well at any range thanks to her evasiveness, and it's not like at mid range she cannot control space with moves like FF3, ff4, F4, ff1, DB2 and so on lol Most of xiaoyu players don't have any matchup knowledge and I say that cause I play a lot of ranked. They just spam the broken stuff of the character and cannot even punish on block with the strong punishment she has
- She has the worst range in the game, hands down. - She has trouble engaging especially on opponents who hav a strong KBD. She needs people to press into her, and only then is she super dangerous, because she only needs one evade to take control. - She has better dmg than 7 but is still only average dmg in 8. - HYP is broken in heat and just good outside of heat. - You must use 80% of her movelist at higher levels or you will be beaten, compared to characters that require 10% of their movelist to win.
@@blackheart59_ I mean, who out of the cast of T8 has worse range than Xiaoyu? I have to play jab range more often than not, and that makes it so fast highs are always in the option space when defending. Few of her moves push out on block, which is by design I'm sure. She is sticky in how she plays and isn't good at keep out. But also it means she has few options for pushing away to breathe. Instead we have b1 when wanting to neutralize action, but still, we're always close once we close the gap. Sort of like it's hard to get a Nina off of you once she gets in.
When the game first came out, I refused to play her because she seemed so cheap. Now I couldn't care less because Tekken 8 is full of so much BS that she absolutely needs this to prosper. Without AoP and her broken wall combo, Ling would absolutely struggle in T8 No one feels bad for using the pick-and-play top tiers so it's all fair game! Her BT heatsmash is the best heatsmash in the game, hands down. Doesn't need any stage gimmicks to reap full reward. 10/10
@@blackheart59_ She needs the good evasion to get access to her damage and heat. She struggles without walls, has very unimpressive combos without heat and doesn't even use any stage gimmicks to her benefit, meaning they all get used on her instead. Her tools are definitely busted, but until other characters get their busted neutral/combos toned down, I hope she keeps it in order to stay competitive.
So you said the matchup is unplayable because xiaoyu could sidestep into aop attacks that you can normally sidestep with almost any character..... That is even more bs than playing against xiaoyu, you could not even bother to find a scenario where step aop beats something that other characters can't simply just sidestep.
@@blackheart59_ wow, even steps d4. You can also just block it. Try doing step aop against any d4 in a match and you will quickly see how futile that effort is.
@@blackheart59_ no1 play her... I guess i must be imagining things because ive seen ppl play her in tournaments too, but they dont get far even being a specialist char ... If u meant that less ppl play her than other chars, that would be rigth and the reason is obvious, she is not broken and ppl wants to win tournaments if she is broken ppl would pick her more, for sure.
Mashable evasive moves as a whole need a rework. It's just so blatant on Xiaoyu, because they mash AOP. but evasion is kinda bugged in this game, it's like a true casino cause sometimes things just get crushed when they shouldnt and dont otherwise.
Wow!! xioayu can step leo's stepable moves ? Wow!! Bro I dodge these movements with all the characters in the game by doing ssr lol Anyway, I stopped the video, it doesn't make me happy to hear another guy complain unfairly about my character :(
@@blackheart59_ I tried and it's true only I beat these moves also with a simple ssr. and df3 the homing move beats ss aop, ss aop can beat hellsweep, but it's really not obvious, honestly! That said, I recognize that it is quite strong... Finally Leo has bad tracking against everyone, maybe that's why they say he's weak I think. Now imagine that I release a video, where I certify that Leo kills Xiaoyu using only his evasive stance b3+4! test if you want, this stance avoids almost the entire xiaoyu command list lol you would find it stupid and you would say to me "no but it's more complicated than that" and in reality you wouldn't be wrong. only I hate Leo and I really want you to think like me 😅
@@crevettefluo369leo doesn't use b3+4 in his approach, xiaoyu does with AOP Also it's not about stepping, it's about crushing. Sidestep+ AOP is just the cherry on top and makes her evade even stuff that should hit her, like Leos d4
@@blackheart59_ yes ok, you have qcf1 if you really want a low who wins against ss aop... I'm not going to convince you to like the character, but she's not broken, everything proves it ! you have to play the match up in the right way. be more patient, keep your distance and she doesn't threaten much, let her kill herself. look how the xioayu are losing ! She doesn't earn more than the other characters (not to say she earns less...) I hope one day you change your mind :) In my experience, players who hated Xiaoyu and learned to play against her, end up liking her :)
@@crevettefluo369nah, xiaoyu players are just carried and it's not like she doesnt have sfuff to approach you 😂 xiaoyu players pretending that moves like ff4, ff3, ff2, db2 dont exist lol
Her cheapness is in heat when she looses that it’s back to xiaoyu Tekken 7 style. She’s too 3 in heat having the best heat mechanics like lili but once she looses it…… you get steam rolled if you don’t know how to play xiaoyu in the nuetral to an advanced degree.
Lol wtf the intro, 1:41 i want a mod with your voice at my aop , and sorry is true , i breakfast leos every single day ,next video slander law , sorry my English ❤❤❤
Cant spell AOP without OP. Still dont understand why people are so stupid and cant accept the fact a character is strong. Dragunov players arent downplaying either. But its the lili, back in t7 even lucky chloe and ling mains, who will always cry about their op character being weak and dont need nerfs. Those are the players who should start playing other characters, whenever u have the ling matchup you will notice why she is straight up bs.
I’ll back you 100% when the xiaoyu mains rise up, bro. Obviously after they quit their crying after this insanely well put beat down you just gave them. Not 1 word of this video is even remotely untrue.
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Nobody talks about lilly's sidestep. It's almost impossible to counter her if you're using Bryan, you need to have insane execution to counter her sidesteps.
I hate her too much, fuck Lili
Yoshimitsu is also a specialist character and is being used in tournament. Steve, kazuya, reina... The list goes on.
She's good, dont get me wrong shes good. But pretending like she's THAT broken and doesnt place high in tournaments because people dont use her is dubious. There are plenty of very strong and performant ling specialists (yoredz, mr croft, cuddlecore, pling, wecka, sodam, piyohiko, irtaza) some who won majors in t7 when she was a worse character.
Also why do people always demonstrate aop being broken by jab straight into move and never putting in dash to realign, or use moves that actually hit aop? In an actual match that is what strong players do, or they just turtle her and step her mostly linear kit. Who runs up to ling and does jab into pressure? Someone who doesnt understand the matchup. Aop 3+4 is seeable, d1+2 is very slow. If we are talking strong aop moves i think uf3 or 1+2 are far better but also not broken. 2,1 is strong heat engager, add it to the list of strong heat engagers in this game, theyre meant to be strong.
Her standing punishment and whiff punishment are very strong. Crouching punishment is just pretty good, ws4 is great, but no 15 frame launch from crouch.
If you predict hyp 3 then its best to hopkick, not block it and complain about a light punish. Hyp 2 is plus on block, but also has heavy pushback away from wall, just turtle her. At wall, what scary lows does she have after it? Db2, db4, d3? Not that scary.
Her heat at wall situation is very dangerous, and corner carry combos are easy. But it's casino. Dont wake up predictably. Or guess and you either hopkick low or block plus high into nonthreatening mix.
Im not a ling downplayer she is top 10 for sure. Her basic game plan can definitely carry, she takes a lot less creativity to win compared to t7. She has good punishment, oki, beat combo grab in game, b1, several utility moves, threatening mix, and strong evasion. Its obvious though, 7 months into the game with so little tournament results, that she isnt broken.
Most of the players you mentioned aren't playing Tekken 8 tournaments at all
@@blackheart59_ basically your argument is that she is insanely broken, basically the best character in the game, but top players who go to tournaments TO WIN MONEY don't bother picking her up. Riiiight.
This means either she is very hard to play, and therefore not a good payoff for pros who haven't used her before, and this basically justifies her being strong - or you just being stupid.
I never said best character in the game, but yes, broken for sure
Top players don't bother picking her up because she requires a lot of knowledge to play because she plays Tekken her own way, but that doesn't excuse her from being super insanely strong. Xiaoyu specialists are not competing much and that's why the characters never seen in tournaments. I'm sure if Yoredz or Changbang started competing more it would be a mess for everyone, and if that happens, don't say I didn't call it 😂@@LordViktorHun88
@@blackheart59_ So far we have seen Yoredz (the guy who beat Knee and Arslan), Croft, Wecka, Cuddle, Shaoling, Boosterblast (who placed 32nd at Evo), Irtaza, Yuyu, Kayane and a few others who escape me at major tourneys. That Ling players don't show up is simply wrong.
@@LordViktorHun88 holy delusion
Easy to make a character look OP when highlighting all their strengths but none of their weaknesses.
Yes, Xiaoyu's Heat is busted, which is why the developers wisely shortened her heat bar last time they nerfed her. Maybe they will do so again so that she can't get as many strong Hyp mixups.
Aside from that, you are complaining about AoP sidestepping by cherry picking moves that it sidesteps (and that are also sidestepped by just sidestepping), while also ignoring the moves that it doesn't.
And It's very easy to do this stuff in practice mode against a dummy predictably throwing out moves that you know are coming, but how does it work in an actual match?
Lastly, if the evasive character is not evasive, then what is she? What does Ling have left if AoP gets 'nuked' so much that it barely avoids anything that a sidestep and/or crouch wouldn't? Maybe people who are upset about this matchup ought to consider that this game is better for having characters that break certain rules and force you to adapt. It comes across as lazy that just because one character can evade certain moves you would otherwise throw out safely, that that character is then 'stupid', and that it's not down to you to try to develop a different strategy.
You're too biased. Clearly this character frustrates you to the point where you aren't objective about her.
Also, how is Ling performing at tournaments? Where are the Ling EVO winners? Asuka got a grand final in a major before Ling. No one picks her up. Arslan said it's because her offensive neutral game is lacking. Everyone who has played her would agree. Maybe include that in the analysis?
The problem is not about xiaoyu's evasiveness, the problem is that she doesn't have balanced heat mechanics or damage to balance out the extreme evasiveness she has, like Zafina, for example, does
Nobody plays her just because she isn't as immediate to play as other characters, but that doesn't make her any less broken
@@blackheart59_ Then they should down-adjust her Heat mechanics and damage, which I'd be fine with.
But the evasiveness is the core of the character and should remain.
@@WaspGenocidefine by me, but she can't have everything in the pocket
@@blackheart59_ And she doesn't. Her long range offensive tools are mediocre outside of Heat, which is why they decided to make her busted in Heat to begin with. A bad solution, but possibly the only good one in a game as aggressively tailored as Tekken 8.
@@WaspGenocide u r so rigth, i did say something like that but when i was going to edit my comment, i got server error... And then my comment misteriously disappear...
Its annoying, the words he choose to talk about ling mixup while his main is jun... With a few safe launchers from neutral and heavy mixups with better reward than ling and not having to step or use heat.
Just well said.
The beginning of the video you could really tell he was broken by this character lmaoo. I understand it
Yeah...
I just don't see any her performing at major events, seems like her neutral game isn't as broken as the top tiers.
Yes , i am agreed with You
Nobody cares about her but she's still broken
@@shyco321utube can I be brutal? Most old Xiaoyu players do not travel or compete, the only one is Shiaolin, and the rest well, suck....
Nah usually i agree but this is just random hate and whining.
Xiaoyu lacks a lot of things, mostly good reliable tools. She is threatening with heat but a meh character once heat is gone.
Her gameplay relies entirely on gimmicky 50/50 situations and having more matchup knowledge than you do. There is a reason why you never see her in tournaments. Her shit just doesnt fly in a lan environment against solid players.
You don't see her in tournaments because no xiaoyu specialist is playing tournaments, basically, so stop with the tournament presence bullshit. Xiaoyu doesn't lack anything, she can play well at any range thanks to her evasiveness, and it's not like at mid range she cannot control space with moves like FF3, ff4, F4, ff1, DB2 and so on lol
Most of xiaoyu players don't have any matchup knowledge and I say that cause I play a lot of ranked. They just spam the broken stuff of the character and cannot even punish on block with the strong punishment she has
@@blackheart59_ I mean ... that makes no sense. If she is that broken, why should you need to be a specialist to play her ?
You make her sound like she is super easy and just needs to spam her broken things. Which would place her next to dragunov in tournament pick strengh. But that isnt the case.
I also face her a lot in ranked and i never really struggled because she has very predictable play patterns due to her lack of good tools outside the few gimmicks she does have.
There are a few scary xiaoyus, but its like with dj, its a few dedicated players that know the character inside out.
I'm not saying she is weak, but she relies way too much on gimmicks because her kit as a whole is not that great. She's annoying to fight and i despise her personality but lets not act as if this wasnt just a lot of personal bias.
@@ezqezq4270because she is not immediate to play and relies on a lot of things you have to know about her gameplan because it's very different from Tekken's standard gameplan. Once you know how to play her tho, she is a complete beast. Tournament presence is irrelevant on the matter
@@blackheart59_ Again yes and no. She is super scary with heat available. But once that is gone and she didnt kill you, she is in a tough spot because she does not have a lot she can rely on and is forced to try and make you do a mistake she can punish.
For example aop. If you dont press for a predictable mid duck what is she going to do ? The lows are super slow and punishable, and the other strings are not rly a problem. Just dont get fooled by the super obvious 2, 1 cancel into wiff punish.
She's the perfect online character, especially now with the Bo3 format. But she's not rly more than that.
In terms of low playrate and lactose intolerance triggering amounts of cheese, i find alisa to be so much more of a problem than xiaoyu will ever be on ladder.
@@ezqezq4270 If Alisa and xiaoyu were on a cheese tierlist alisa would be A and xiaoyu would be A-. She’s like right there.
I agree with you on many things but Xiaoyu... I don't know. She's strong asf but Broken/ a huge problem??? First off, let's look at the analytics.... Her winrate is average (used to be VERY low) even with low pickrate, no Xiaoyu main has had success with this character in tournaments, not even Ling specialists like Pling, Dastry, or even the best ling player in the world (YoreDz). Xiaoyu's frame traps are all highs except her BT heat smash and FF3 (which is sidewalkable on the left and side-steppable on the right). Tekken 8 is all about aggression yet what aggressive tools does Xiaoyu have outside of heat?...... Not only that but she has to play at range 0 (cause of her short limbs, none of her lows can hit at range 1 besides aop3 which is Launch punishable on block) which makes her neutral game not that good. AOP is a problem but only AOP duck since its evasion is way too insane. As for her mixups, she can't just manually go into hyp and mix you up unless she's doing a setup. And yeah Xiaoyu's HYP is strong asf in heat but she can only mix you up twice in heat and HYP isn't that good outside of heat. Devs should only nerf hyp in heat so it only can mix you up only once inside heat. As for BT Heat smash, it uses all her heat and now Ling is in HYP with no heat. The best thing about Ling is her defensive tools but her offense is mid which makes her lacking when Aggression win games. Also for her damage, it's deserved considering the fact that her neutral is not good like I mentioned earlier. If you nerf her damage, she'll be garbage asf especially when there's so many characters that has just as much or even more damage than her. Look at Paul, Bryan, Drag, Yoshi, etc ....
Winrate is low because they are trash st fundamental tekken, I've seen xiaoyus at tekken god still not able to punish moves on block
If you nerf her damage she will be trash? Good, that's what i want. I want her to disappear😂
You don't see her in tournaments because no xiaoyu specialist is playing tournaments, basically, so stop with the tournament presence bullshit. Xiaoyu doesn't lack anything, she can play well at any range thanks to her evasiveness, and it's not like at mid range she cannot control space with moves like FF3, ff4, F4, ff1, DB2 and so on lol
Most of xiaoyu players don't have any matchup knowledge and I say that cause I play a lot of ranked. They just spam the broken stuff of the character and cannot even punish on block with the strong punishment she has
- She has the worst range in the game, hands down.
- She has trouble engaging especially on opponents who hav a strong KBD. She needs people to press into her, and only then is she super dangerous, because she only needs one evade to take control.
- She has better dmg than 7 but is still only average dmg in 8.
- HYP is broken in heat and just good outside of heat.
- You must use 80% of her movelist at higher levels or you will be beaten, compared to characters that require 10% of their movelist to win.
Only average damage??? Worst range??? You must use her 80% otherwise you will be beaten????
@@blackheart59_ who has worse range?
I don't even know what you mean by that @@patrickmurphy3601
@@blackheart59_ I mean, who out of the cast of T8 has worse range than Xiaoyu?
I have to play jab range more often than not, and that makes it so fast highs are always in the option space when defending.
Few of her moves push out on block, which is by design I'm sure. She is sticky in how she plays and isn't good at keep out. But also it means she has few options for pushing away to breathe. Instead we have b1 when wanting to neutralize action, but still, we're always close once we close the gap. Sort of like it's hard to get a Nina off of you once she gets in.
@@blackheart59_ he means how much range a move has. Range 0, 1, 2, etc.
When the game first came out, I refused to play her because she seemed so cheap. Now I couldn't care less because Tekken 8 is full of so much BS that she absolutely needs this to prosper. Without AoP and her broken wall combo, Ling would absolutely struggle in T8
No one feels bad for using the pick-and-play top tiers so it's all fair game!
Her BT heatsmash is the best heatsmash in the game, hands down. Doesn't need any stage gimmicks to reap full reward. 10/10
The problem is that everything she has is good. It's fine if she has evasion. But at least not also broken damage or broken heat, at this level
@@blackheart59_ She needs the good evasion to get access to her damage and heat. She struggles without walls, has very unimpressive combos without heat and doesn't even use any stage gimmicks to her benefit, meaning they all get used on her instead.
Her tools are definitely busted, but until other characters get their busted neutral/combos toned down, I hope she keeps it in order to stay competitive.
So you said the matchup is unplayable because xiaoyu could sidestep into aop attacks that you can normally sidestep with almost any character..... That is even more bs than playing against xiaoyu, you could not even bother to find a scenario where step aop beats something that other characters can't simply just sidestep.
actually i did, she steps right even Leo's d4
@@blackheart59_ wow, even steps d4. You can also just block it. Try doing step aop against any d4 in a match and you will quickly see how futile that effort is.
Leo xiaoyu match up is impossible because xiaoyu can ss aop leo's d4 😂
She can SS AOP almost everything Leo does but ok 😂
I think you are right, but why do you think Xiaoyu has 0 success in offline tournaments?
Because he is not rigth
Because no one plays her, but she is as broken as the others
@DannyBob08 😂😂😂
@@blackheart59_ no1 play her... I guess i must be imagining things because ive seen ppl play her in tournaments too, but they dont get far even being a specialist char ... If u meant that less ppl play her than other chars, that would be rigth and the reason is obvious, she is not broken and ppl wants to win tournaments if she is broken ppl would pick her more, for sure.
@@blackheart59_ And why does no one play her?...
Mashable evasive moves as a whole need a rework. It's just so blatant on Xiaoyu, because they mash AOP. but evasion is kinda bugged in this game, it's like a true casino cause sometimes things just get crushed when they shouldnt and dont otherwise.
Wow!!
xioayu can step leo's stepable moves ?
Wow!!
Bro I dodge these movements with all the characters in the game by doing ssr lol
Anyway, I stopped the video, it doesn't make me happy to hear another guy complain unfairly about my character :(
She steps even tracking lows to that side. She crushes almost every mid Leo does in fast exchanges. If you don't believe me, try for yourself 🎉
@@blackheart59_ I tried and it's true only I beat these moves also with a simple ssr.
and df3 the homing move beats ss aop, ss aop can beat hellsweep, but it's really not obvious, honestly!
That said, I recognize that it is quite strong...
Finally Leo has bad tracking against everyone, maybe that's why they say he's weak I think.
Now imagine that I release a video, where I certify that Leo kills Xiaoyu using only his evasive stance b3+4!
test if you want, this stance avoids almost the entire xiaoyu command list lol
you would find it stupid and you would say to me "no but it's more complicated than that" and in reality you wouldn't be wrong.
only I hate Leo and I really want you to think like me 😅
@@crevettefluo369leo doesn't use b3+4 in his approach, xiaoyu does with AOP
Also it's not about stepping, it's about crushing. Sidestep+ AOP is just the cherry on top and makes her evade even stuff that should hit her, like Leos d4
@@blackheart59_ yes ok, you have qcf1 if you really want a low who wins against ss aop...
I'm not going to convince you to like the character, but she's not broken, everything proves it !
you have to play the match up in the right way. be more patient, keep your distance and she doesn't threaten much, let her kill herself.
look how the xioayu are losing !
She doesn't earn more than the other characters (not to say she earns less...)
I hope one day you change your mind :)
In my experience, players who hated Xiaoyu and learned to play against her, end up liking her :)
@@crevettefluo369nah, xiaoyu players are just carried and it's not like she doesnt have sfuff to approach you 😂 xiaoyu players pretending that moves like ff4, ff3, ff2, db2 dont exist lol
Her cheapness is in heat when she looses that it’s back to xiaoyu Tekken 7 style. She’s too 3 in heat having the best heat mechanics like lili but once she looses it…… you get steam rolled if you don’t know how to play xiaoyu in the nuetral to an advanced degree.
Still broken
"CUUUURSE YOUUU, XIAOYU!"
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is she as broken as devil jin tho?
ofc not
Lol wtf the intro, 1:41 i want a mod with your voice at my aop , and sorry is true , i breakfast leos every single day ,next video slander law , sorry my English ❤❤❤
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9:09 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 for real
These comments are a proof of what i said, they are trash playing the character and they think she is weak
@@blackheart59_ absolutely bro, they are just afraid to play a nerfed ling and that is why are shit talking here
I hate Xiayou and Zafina so much, they are very evassive
Yeah
Do a video on King next mister Blackheart
Already done
half the cast needs to go
Yes not ironically
She's strong but not as strong as Panda
ew
Ma che intro è 😂😂😂
Cant spell AOP without OP.
Still dont understand why people are so stupid and cant accept the fact a character is strong. Dragunov players arent downplaying either. But its the lili, back in t7 even lucky chloe and ling mains, who will always cry about their op character being weak and dont need nerfs.
Those are the players who should start playing other characters, whenever u have the ling matchup you will notice why she is straight up bs.
And people who hate Ling should play her so they get an appreciation of her weaknesses and difficulty. It goes both ways.
I played her and she's not hard
@@blackheart59_ I also played her, and yes she is.
Saw the title and couldn't agree more. She's a huge problem!!!
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Why does this guy moan so much?
Why is this guy a genius so much?
One of the few players that have GOD with every character in the game, i trust what you say to a certain degree atleast.🦍👍
❤ but always have your own opinion!
I’ll back you 100% when the xiaoyu mains rise up, bro. Obviously after they quit their crying after this insanely well put beat down you just gave them. Not 1 word of this video is even remotely untrue.
My man❤️
Anytime i see xiaoyu i get braincancer 😂😂❤
Thanks for the comment, but please don't joke on the matter, I'm very sensitive to it
Ling is OP and ling players will continue to downplay her because its all they know.