t7 was great but the balancing was just as bad at the top tiers, t8 is great but chip dmg and heatsmashes and heat 50/50's I don't agree with. short take by me
T8 is more fun but it's not a good fighting game.. ever played other fighters like SC and VF? You gotta do it to compare - Too many lows track both ways, moves Lili BT D2 xiaoyu hyp low etc - A ton of safe mid markings like Jun's df3 that are safe, just mash moves that should never be safe in a good competitive game - df1s like that of Shaheen with great tracking, df1 should never track that well - Wall stuns on block, free 50/50 - too many back flips that force another 50/50, before it was kazuya with ff4 now almost everyone can do it, even feng can do it with df3 - kuma in heat, what kind of design is that? - chip damage, you like it? And honestly I'd rather play against any character in T7 aside from akuma than against T8 Nina, Yoshi or Shaheen.. It's a fun game but a bad fighter
Yeah I know t8 is a much more worse bad fighter , I just gave a short take. I’ll add to your list though, Making characters moves jail so you can’t duck and punish, Feng 3,3 jails Alisa d3,1+2? Jails Lars f3 - 1,2 jails t8 has a lot of problems, when it comes down to it I pick T7 any day over T8
Tekken 8 burns you out because there is no learning process to a guess based situation. When you learn a new task it becomes easier over time because you know what to do in the situation. With 50/50s abd guesses your mind scrambles to figure out a solution to a problem. On top of that it is a new game
Personal opinion on what tekken 8 did wrong: - dumbed down execution (easier inputs, easiest combos of any tekken, universal input for grabs, rage arts are all mid with the same frames, too long animation for tornado) - way too much chip damage, and recoverable health. We can't have literally any character being able to recover 50% of their health, it should be toned down by a lot - too many power crushes (I dont even need to say anything about heat engager power crushes) - buffed rage arts to being practically invincible and only -15 OB - very weak backdash - too many cutscenes happening because of heat animations, and rage arts are now the length of a short movie Things I like that tekken 8 changed: - wake up 3 not being a CH launcher and wake up 4 not knocking down - grabs being more viable as counter hits and especially against power crushes, and generic grabs being homing - graphics (obviously) - amazing practice mode
I think T8 is just about as trash as T7. There's nothing wrong with generic grab inputs imo. Tekken has always had generic grabs for all the characters. T8 has simply simplified one 2 handed grab for everyone. It really doesn't affect the game that much.
@ZombiAstral it's not really that bad, and I wouldn't say it's a "problem" but why would they need to make it the same for everyone, having different inputs for command grabs felt like a small part of each characters identity. Overall, my point is that you can pick a character you have no idea how to play and immediately be a threat with really basic knowledge. Tekken 7 was it's own game, I'm not saying it's perfect, but it felt more like previous tekkens than tekken 8 does. It may have spawned rage arts and power crushes, but they completely went overboard with that idea of external mechanics in tekken 8
T8 is faster paced, but that seems to apply to stuff outside of gameplay too. People are already burnt out on T8, and a lot of my friends get tired of playing it after an hour or two; these guys could sit down and play TTT2 or T7 for hours if they had the time. T8 is just too aggressive and fast for its own good.
Hear me out guys! I played since tekken 3 but always tipical couch co-pp. Startet late in tekken 7 and i was hyped for 8. As a hole game i like tekken 8 more... Better graphics, amazing Sound Design, great Animations and stuff like tekken ball, the arcades, Charakter episodes and the story were great. I think i liked 7 more in a esports way.... I liked the mindgames and defensive heavely Gameplan BUT i like the 8 Tournaments as well. I think 8 was more Casual friendly... Do i like Heat and rageart? No. Is it cool as a casual to see your char make 70 dmg with a cool Animation? I think so! Im not a good Player i have 3 bushin and 1 Tekken king Character and like 300 hours playing time . But i still like to play the game learn new things and have fun. So all in all my vote goes to 8 💯 P.s there is a lot to critis as a pro or is a Casual. Op dragunov in Tournaments, lagswitch, Plugin, Microtransaction. So Not everything is good but in a whole yeah it is 8 for me! Greetings from Germany! Stay all Happy and healthy
T8 is better. Faster, more aggressive, not the lame bd bd poke bd bd poke gameplay. Its close combat in T8 while in T7 you keep more distance. Both feel very different but i enjoy T8 more. Can play it for 12 hours straight with no breaks. I love heat and the possibility of getting a huge comeback with a well placed heat burst or a well used heat extension. People should finally stop crying (which is a very minor but very vocal audience). Game is good and if its thaaaaat bad why they still play it? Because its fun and entertaining. You know and i know it.
I didn't enjoy T7 because of 2d chars and the restricted movement. T8 could be better, but the heat makes the gameplay a bit too repetitive and too oppressive. And I miss the spacing gameplay. I guess I still love t8 more, probably. I hated having 2d chars in Tekken. I strongly disliked restricted sidestep. Both are not that great though. Ttt2 was the last real Tekken imo. Meter, rage drives, rage arts, heat, everything tracks, armored moves - I don't like them at all.
T7 was too defensive, too many counterhit moves that started a combo. At least t8 has way less than that. What i hate about t8 are unbreakable grabs, guard breaks. Power crush heat engagers. Stuff like that is really annoying.
Even tho i see how t7 can be better in many ways, i just like t8 more. ITs more fun, the new mechanics are fresh. Maybe i just support new over old. And like you say there are things t8 does better than t7 its not just 1 is completely better than the other
Personally, i prefer Tekken 8 to Tekken 7, but then i am only 190k prowess so idk. Most people at this rank dont have tight offense, going against someone with tight offense is beyond annoying to play against because you have to take 50/50 after 50/50, there are too many high +moves on hit that just snowballs and your stuck since you cant side step hopkick and have to actually take the mix up legit mid or low block.
Hope Harada is listening and you are right. I hope I am wrong but I think that they will largely stay stuck on stupid. I could see them giving everyone an install and say good luck players 😆. Thanks for your perspective on this game because few if any have the level of experience with the entirety of the cast like yourself and this needs to be said. Mild point of disagreement I hope they make Leroy better but hopefully not a busted or top tier. Personally don't like playing a character that could be said to be carrying me. Thanks for your perspective 🙏
There are some things in which 7 was better than 8, DLC chars, ring arena or infinite rematches. But overall, coming back to this game just does not bring me joy. I didn't like it back then nor I grew to appreciate it after I became more knowledgeable in game mechanics, cuz now I notice how clunky inputs are in this game.
What t7 did seriously wrong is introduce rage arts. This should nevet have been in the game and now we going to be stuck with it in future iterations of tekken
@@blackheart59_ it doesnt add any positive value to the game and why would they only make it -15 on top of that, you shouldnt be able to perform a rage art at all when youre half health. If they going to keep this comeback mechanic in the game id say it should consume all your heat too.
The game is to much guessing. T7 you had to make situations to guess but not as much but then Create mind games for your opponents while T8 everything is multiple choice
.... i will now do this. Blackheart.... i will do some shit video on you at some point. i dont really give a f if you ever watch it. I will commentate tho, if it is finishes. Its is just a appreciation comment, to an insane player. Thank you for your content and your hardwork. i NOW FINALLY relase with what insane... clwon shiit... you have to deal. good day, greetings to italy.. EDIT : and i liked Jeeg Robot , good film. i am insanely tweaked out of my mind... i cannot even write anymore, so pls do not take offense in spelling mistakes and so on.
BLN....snake..... 🍆 it is fate, we meet ....... pls do no watch... nova doshit. i will adress it. in own video. DO NOT GIVE HIM A SINGLE CLICK , i can spoil you... i probably need a TMM- counter for this. like where he says "novaaaa" with his...a little bid whiney voice ..xD. but yea... know this... there is something coming... specifically a present FOR YOU. again... we dont know each other but.. what you said.. you comments.. both.. i appreciate. okay. Ähhh good day mike hollow. i will now after i ended someone, obviously continue to watch your videos. Thank you. I am tweaking right now, so pls, forgive me for spelling and.. stuff.
@blackheart59_ Uma prática bastante comum e que de fato é o que acontece é a seguinte: Por melhor que tenha sido as versões anteriores de qualquer jogo, ninguém, mas absolutamente ninguém volta a jogar versões anteriores habitualmente. O que acontece no máximo é o sujeito deixar de jogar a versão atual pela desculpa de que as versões passadas foram as melhores. Porque todo mundo vê e sabe que a versão atual de qualquer jogo ela sempre, mas sempre é resultado do melhor que foram as versões passadas. (A very common practice, which is actually what happens, is the following: No matter how good the previous versions of any game were, no one, absolutely no one, goes back to playing previous versions on a regular basis. The most that happens is that people stop playing the current version with the excuse that the previous versions were the best. Because everyone sees and knows that the current version of any game is always, always the result of the best of the previous versions.)
tekken 8 is for crying kids that are not good at the game and want to still win. tekken 7 was unbalanced but at least it was punishing and rewarding: it was skill based.
T7 feels more rewarding on a long terms as T8 is eaiser to get into. But being like this i think T8 burns you out faster.
Agreed
t7 was great but the balancing was just as bad at the top tiers, t8 is great but chip dmg and heatsmashes and heat 50/50's I don't agree with. short take by me
T8 is more fun but it's not a good fighting game.. ever played other fighters like SC and VF? You gotta do it to compare
- Too many lows track both ways, moves Lili BT D2 xiaoyu hyp low etc
- A ton of safe mid markings like Jun's df3 that are safe, just mash moves that should never be safe in a good competitive game
- df1s like that of Shaheen with great tracking, df1 should never track that well
- Wall stuns on block, free 50/50
- too many back flips that force another 50/50, before it was kazuya with ff4 now almost everyone can do it, even feng can do it with df3
- kuma in heat, what kind of design is that?
- chip damage, you like it?
And honestly I'd rather play against any character in T7 aside from akuma than against T8 Nina, Yoshi or Shaheen..
It's a fun game but a bad fighter
Yeah I know t8 is a much more worse bad fighter , I just gave a short take. I’ll add to your list though,
Making characters moves jail so you can’t duck and punish,
Feng 3,3 jails
Alisa d3,1+2? Jails
Lars f3 - 1,2 jails
t8 has a lot of problems, when it comes down to it I pick T7 any day over T8
Fair enough
Tekken 8 burns you out because there is no learning process to a guess based situation. When you learn a new task it becomes easier over time because you know what to do in the situation. With 50/50s abd guesses your mind scrambles to figure out a solution to a problem. On top of that it is a new game
Agreed
either way can’t deny the fact i could play t7 for endless hours and i get tired of t8 within an hour
Same
I'm enjoying T8 as a casual player. But I can understand why a lot of top players are getting frustrated with some design and balance choices.
Exactly
Personal opinion on what tekken 8 did wrong:
- dumbed down execution (easier inputs, easiest combos of any tekken, universal input for grabs, rage arts are all mid with the same frames, too long animation for tornado)
- way too much chip damage, and recoverable health. We can't have literally any character being able to recover 50% of their health, it should be toned down by a lot
- too many power crushes (I dont even need to say anything about heat engager power crushes)
- buffed rage arts to being practically invincible and only -15 OB
- very weak backdash
- too many cutscenes happening because of heat animations, and rage arts are now the length of a short movie
Things I like that tekken 8 changed:
- wake up 3 not being a CH launcher and wake up 4 not knocking down
- grabs being more viable as counter hits and especially against power crushes, and generic grabs being homing
- graphics (obviously)
- amazing practice mode
Agreed on almost everything.
I think T8 is just about as trash as T7. There's nothing wrong with generic grab inputs imo. Tekken has always had generic grabs for all the characters. T8 has simply simplified one 2 handed grab for everyone. It really doesn't affect the game that much.
@ZombiAstral it's not really that bad, and I wouldn't say it's a "problem" but why would they need to make it the same for everyone, having different inputs for command grabs felt like a small part of each characters identity. Overall, my point is that you can pick a character you have no idea how to play and immediately be a threat with really basic knowledge. Tekken 7 was it's own game, I'm not saying it's perfect, but it felt more like previous tekkens than tekken 8 does. It may have spawned rage arts and power crushes, but they completely went overboard with that idea of external mechanics in tekken 8
T8 is faster paced, but that seems to apply to stuff outside of gameplay too. People are already burnt out on T8, and a lot of my friends get tired of playing it after an hour or two; these guys could sit down and play TTT2 or T7 for hours if they had the time. T8 is just too aggressive and fast for its own good.
Agreed
I hope season 2 would be gamechanging
Let's hope
Hear me out guys!
I played since tekken 3 but always tipical couch co-pp. Startet late in tekken 7 and i was hyped for 8. As a hole game i like tekken 8 more... Better graphics, amazing Sound Design, great Animations and stuff like tekken ball, the arcades, Charakter episodes and the story were great. I think i liked 7 more in a esports way.... I liked the mindgames and defensive heavely Gameplan BUT i like the 8 Tournaments as well. I think 8 was more Casual friendly... Do i like Heat and rageart? No. Is it cool as a casual to see your char make 70 dmg with a cool Animation? I think so! Im not a good Player i have 3 bushin and 1 Tekken king Character and like 300 hours playing time . But i still like to play the game learn new things and have fun. So all in all my vote goes to 8 💯
P.s there is a lot to critis as a pro or is a Casual. Op dragunov in Tournaments, lagswitch, Plugin, Microtransaction. So Not everything is good but in a whole yeah it is 8 for me!
Greetings from Germany! Stay all Happy and healthy
Nice
T8 is better. Faster, more aggressive, not the lame bd bd poke bd bd poke gameplay. Its close combat in T8 while in T7 you keep more distance. Both feel very different but i enjoy T8 more. Can play it for 12 hours straight with no breaks. I love heat and the possibility of getting a huge comeback with a well placed heat burst or a well used heat extension. People should finally stop crying (which is a very minor but very vocal audience). Game is good and if its thaaaaat bad why they still play it? Because its fun and entertaining. You know and i know it.
Agreed
heat and chip damage are the most annoying thing about tekken 8 i also like the bit slower pace of tekken 7. but overall i think tekken 8 is better
I see..
I didn't enjoy T7 because of 2d chars and the restricted movement. T8 could be better, but the heat makes the gameplay a bit too repetitive and too oppressive. And I miss the spacing gameplay. I guess I still love t8 more, probably. I hated having 2d chars in Tekken. I strongly disliked restricted sidestep. Both are not that great though. Ttt2 was the last real Tekken imo. Meter, rage drives, rage arts, heat, everything tracks, armored moves - I don't like them at all.
Agreed
T7 was too defensive, too many counterhit moves that started a combo. At least t8 has way less than that. What i hate about t8 are unbreakable grabs, guard breaks. Power crush heat engagers. Stuff like that is really annoying.
@@chacazulo1987 noob spotted
True
Thx for the in depth explanation on the review
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Even tho i see how t7 can be better in many ways, i just like t8 more. ITs more fun, the new mechanics are fresh. Maybe i just support new over old. And like you say there are things t8 does better than t7 its not just 1 is completely better than the other
I see
Personally, i prefer Tekken 8 to Tekken 7, but then i am only 190k prowess so idk. Most people at this rank dont have tight offense, going against someone with tight offense is beyond annoying to play against because you have to take 50/50 after 50/50, there are too many high +moves on hit that just snowballs and your stuck since you cant side step hopkick and have to actually take the mix up legit mid or low block.
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Hope Harada is listening and you are right.
I hope I am wrong but I think that they will largely stay stuck on stupid. I could see them giving everyone an install and say good luck players 😆.
Thanks for your perspective on this game because few if any have the level of experience with the entirety of the cast like yourself and this needs to be said.
Mild point of disagreement I hope they make Leroy better but hopefully not a busted or top tier. Personally don't like playing a character that could be said to be carrying me.
Thanks for your perspective 🙏
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There are some things in which 7 was better than 8, DLC chars, ring arena or infinite rematches. But overall, coming back to this game just does not bring me joy. I didn't like it back then nor I grew to appreciate it after I became more knowledgeable in game mechanics, cuz now I notice how clunky inputs are in this game.
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They are both shit for different reasons.
I like T7 more but T8 has more potential. I like the health recovery.
What t7 did seriously wrong is introduce rage arts. This should nevet have been in the game and now we going to be stuck with it in future iterations of tekken
But maybe, just maybe they will make them 1 per match some day.
@auroranamex5886 zero per match would be ideal
Nah rage arts are fine imo
@@blackheart59_ it doesnt add any positive value to the game and why would they only make it -15 on top of that, you shouldnt be able to perform a rage art at all when youre half health. If they going to keep this comeback mechanic in the game id say it should consume all your heat too.
@@henrynguyen4315 Completely agree. The heat is cool enough. Let Mortal kombat keep the X ray moves, and let Tekken Do its own thing.
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The game is to much guessing. T7 you had to make situations to guess but not as much but then Create mind games for your opponents while T8 everything is multiple choice
Yes..
W video black heart
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.... i will now do this. Blackheart.... i will do some shit video on you at some point. i dont really give a f if you ever watch it. I will commentate tho, if it is finishes. Its is just a appreciation comment, to an insane player. Thank you for your content and your hardwork. i NOW FINALLY relase with what insane... clwon shiit... you have to deal. good day, greetings to italy.. EDIT : and i liked Jeeg Robot , good film. i am insanely tweaked out of my mind... i cannot even write anymore, so pls do not take offense in spelling mistakes and so on.
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Im indifferent between the two, i can enjoy both
BLN....snake..... 🍆 it is fate, we meet ....... pls do no watch... nova doshit. i will adress it. in own video. DO NOT GIVE HIM A SINGLE CLICK , i can spoil you... i probably need a TMM- counter for this. like where he says "novaaaa" with his...a little bid whiney voice ..xD. but yea... know this... there is something coming... specifically a present FOR YOU. again... we dont know each other but.. what you said.. you comments.. both.. i appreciate. okay. Ähhh good day mike hollow. i will now after i ended someone, obviously continue to watch your videos. Thank you. I am tweaking right now, so pls, forgive me for spelling and.. stuff.
Good!
Tekken 7
Uuuh
Without a shadow of a doubt, Tekken 8 is infinitely better than its predecessor, and all the others that preceded it.
Mm ..
@blackheart59_ Uma prática bastante comum e que de fato é o que acontece é a seguinte:
Por melhor que tenha sido as versões anteriores de qualquer jogo, ninguém, mas absolutamente ninguém volta a jogar versões anteriores habitualmente. O que acontece no máximo é o sujeito deixar de jogar a versão atual pela desculpa de que as versões passadas foram as melhores.
Porque todo mundo vê e sabe que a versão atual de qualquer jogo ela sempre, mas sempre é resultado do melhor que foram as versões passadas.
(A very common practice, which is actually what happens, is the following:
No matter how good the previous versions of any game were, no one, absolutely no one, goes back to playing previous versions on a regular basis. The most that happens is that people stop playing the current version with the excuse that the previous versions were the best.
Because everyone sees and knows that the current version of any game is always, always the result of the best of the previous versions.)
You mean better graphics right? Right?!
@YarozeTK best in everything
tekken 8 is for crying kids that are not good at the game and want to still win.
tekken 7 was unbalanced but at least it was punishing and rewarding: it was skill based.
Keep telling yourself that Mr df1 kbd df1 Kbd
Much more than T8 for sure
Mr df1 kbd vs Mr crouch jab 50/50
Who ever wins. We all lose.