One of my favorite childhood actors. He's fortunate to have act with the two greatest action movie stars of this era; Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone in 2 very memorable movies: Rocky II and Predator.
No contender had "gone the distance" with Apollo, meaning he'd won all title defenses (possibly all of his fights, but "the distance" might mean the full 15 rounds you see in title fights ) by knockout. The film shows scenes from 7 of the 15 rounds (as shown by the Statue of Liberty ring girl). Apollo clearly won 4 of the rounds shown. Round 14 was likely 10-8 for Apollo. Rocky won 3 of the rounds shown(1,2, and 15), and 2 of those were likely 10-8 rounds for Rocky. We don't know what happened in the other rounds. Based on what we saw, the fight was extremely close, likely with a razor thin advantage for Apollo, but the "split decision" was not shocking-- it's boxing. Apollo squeaked out a win, but to him, that's not "beating" him. Like you said, both were warriors.
@@testodude I haven't seen this movie in a hell of a long time but if I remember Apollo didn't take Rocky seriously until it was too late. In the sequel Rocky had more thorough training on top of the ring experience from their first match. Apollo has always been the more skilled and talented fighter and Rocky know this so that's why he accepted Apollo's offer to train him for his match against Clubber Lang in the 3rd Rocky film. Quite a lot to learn from the first 4 films.
@@simonsays6307 Yes, Apollo did sleep on Rocky in the first film. In the second, Rocky's training camp was actually shorter-- he was in the hospital seeing about Adrian for a lot of it. But once he started seriously, he had extra motivation. First time, Rocky fought for "the dream". Second time, he fought for "love". Not original-- that was part of the film promotion. :) I agree Rocky really, really admired Apollo, and was humble about his own talent.
Oh, yes, he did. And he don't have to worry about Rocky Balboa anymore. Apollo is the winner as the Championship Fighter. He won by the split decision. Rocky Balboa the challenger already went the distance with Apollo Creed the Champion boxer.
“I saw you beat that man, like I never saw no man get beat before, and the man kept coming after you........Now, We don’t need that kind of man in our life!!” one of the most underrated scenes in the entire Rocky series
@impersonal66 And he was old by the time of that fight, and, quite literally, slipping. His fighting style demanded a lot of footwork, which his body could no longe sustain.
@@impersonal6650 1: Drago is a freak of nature and if that wasn't bad enough, he's on the juice. 2: Apollo was past his prime by then, Drago was in his prime and Apollo thought he was a bum and didn't train at all
"I saw you beat that man ... like I never saw no man get beat before.. and the man.. KEPT.. COMING.. AFTER YOU... We don't need that kind of man in our life."
And this in essence sums up Rocky as a fighter and explains the primary difference between him and Apollo. Rocky's power comes, not from his superior skill or technique, agility or accuracy. But from his ability to take a beating and keep going. It's the same theme reinforced throughout the franchise. Love it.
I like the second movie because it shows Apollo Creed wasn't an egotistical villain with a bad motive. His intentions were just like any other boxer in the same situation.
I don't think he was portrayed as a villain in the first film. He was cocky but not villainous. Clubber Lang, Drago, Mason Line, those guys were villains.
That's true; but the thing about 80s movies is anyone who was egotistical was considered "a villain." Like in The Karate Kid. The bully was the "villain" until the audience realized it was really the teacher who was and the bully was just a victim of a bad teacher.
Those films should have propelled him to superstardom. Yes, he did Predator and Action Jackson, but I can't understand why he didn't make it as big as Arnie or Stallone. In my opinion, he was a better actor than them both.
Jose Luis Cortez Marquez Exactly. Tony knew Rocky had heart, guts, and he was HUNGRY. Apollo was still a better fighter than Rocky as Rocky was better than Lang. Rocky just had more heart and handled hits better than Apollo.
Kind of different because like rocky said in creed, Apollo was a perfect fighter he did not need to be protected but Apollo was past his prime in this movie so you could say duke knew Apollo was already declining and Apollo would never admit this to himself as evident in rocky 4 as he believe he was in the best shape of his like. Rocky on the other hand was a brawler that could of easily been outboxed and was outboxed in both rocky 1 and 2. He needed to be carried to some degree then Apollo actually taught him to fight in rocky 3
I Am Rocky was not a better fight than Clubber Lang, not until Apollo and his trainer showed him the skill set to beat him. Clubber was just like Rocky before their first match but stronger and more hungry. At that point Rock had become soft.
Incredible scene, Duke was right about not needing a man like that in their life and for a split second you can see in Apollo's eyes that he knows he's right, but his champions pride wouldn't allow it
@@mws755disagree. He may not have been scared of Rocky the man, but he was scared of the idea that there was someone out there more hungry and determined than him.
"What are you afraid of?" _"Honest?"_ "Yeah, honest." _"The franchise is NAMED after him.... he gets more camera-time .... by that reason alone he should've won the first fight. But this is a _*_sequal,_*_ baby! And it's got _*_HIS NAME_*_ on it! He's going to win!"_
“He’s got plot armor baby”. The only reason he didn’t beat you the first time is because the movie the movie executives never thought the first movie was going to succeed like it did”
RIP Tony Burton. He was in all 5 original Rocky movies plus "Rocky Balboa" which was part 6. It's nice to see so many people from a 70's movie franchise are still with us almost 50 years later 👍
@@gavingambuzza1824 He was in the shower scene after the Drago fight at the beginning of part 5 when Rocky tells Tony to "get adrian" when his hands are shaking, Tony tells him Apollo would of been proud
Apollo shows his biggest strength and biggest weakness all in this brief scene. His unbreakable determination is what brought him to the top, but it's also what got him killed. Such a well written character.
Absolutely 💯, it's also what caused him to lose the second fight. Since he refused to stay away and win on points, his pride had to beat Rocky by knockout.
I feel the opposite about the latter. He didn’t lose the second fight because he was arrogant & prideful. He lost to the ONLY man who ever actually challenged Apollo in his glory. Apollo knew he had to do the rematch (and the private rematch later) because he knew the person he was would never live with himself if he had some left in the tank and never was truly tested by God. Rocky was his Foil. The only true friend they both had in each other.
@@markgarcia8253He could‘ve won the fight by a CLEAR decision and there would’ve been barely anything Rocky could’ve done about it, if Apollo decided to play it safe. But his pride wouldn’t allow his victory to be disputed, so he went for the knockout and lost everything. Pride was his downfall. As it was against Drago, which cost him his life.
Yep and thats what killed him. His pride was so strong that Rocky respected him as a real friend and didn't stop the fight. Apollo was the best character in the whole movie series.
@frootjooce *"Then they ruined it in that new sequel and turned Apollo into a martial affair artist who father's children he doesn't know about"* I don't understand why Cooglar went in that direction when he could have used one of his sons instead.
@@utrinqueparatus4042 I think the same will happen to Adonis in Creed 3. Because in the fight with Viktor Drago, Adonis won but he didn't beat him. He might want to have a rematch, just like his father
Apollo Creed is my favorite actor in the Rocky series. I love his character development and carl weathers completely sells the role as a cocky heavyweight boxer, brought back to earth and ultimately meets his early demise.
Goodbye Tony Burton, damn a heavy heart today. A staple in the Rocky movies that will be missed. I was hoping he would have been in Creed. Thank you for the memories
***** tony jr was close with adonis he just didnt understand his willingness, he cared enough to try to want to keep him out of harms way So they brought some life of the tony sr character
The reason people love Tony Duke so much as a character is that he’s the only real trainer who can see the potential in any fighter. What scared him about Rocky was evident from the first movie when he told Apollo then on three separate occasions that Rocky Balboa was the real deal Occasion 1: when Apollo picked him out the book. Duke: “Nah he’s a southpaw. I don’t want you messin’ around with southpaws. They do everything backwards. Occasion 2: Rocky’s interview in the 🥩 house when he was punching the slabs of 🥩. Duke(with a look of real concern on his face): “Hey champ! You better come look at this boy you gonna fight on TV. Looks like he means business Occasion 3: the fight itself after the 1st round knockdown, the first of which Apollo has ever experienced at Rocky’s hands. Duke (with real concern and urgency): He doesn’t know it’s a damn show! He thinks it’s damn fight! Now finish this bum and let’s go home! End of the 14th round: “You’re bleeding inside champ! I’m gonna stop the fight! Duke was the only one who truly knew from the beginning aside from Adrian that Rocky was a dangerous formidable fighter with something to prove who could be a champion.
"Let it go... Let it go..." I've always loved how Duke delivers that line. He's practically pleading with Apollo to not go up against a man he sure as hell *KNOWS* is far more dangerous than he looks.
And it's at moments like that where I wonder, "What if?" What if Apollo had listened and not gone after Rocky? Other than, "Well, that'd have been the end of the franchise, probably..." I always wondered.
Duke knows Apollo would never want to play it safe by simply winning on points, even though Creed has the skills to do so. Duke knows Creed only cares about the KO; Creed's pride and ego are too big.
Back then, Heavyweight champ was a king pretty much. Boxing was HUGE then. Every kid in America knew who the heavyweight champ was. For most of the 70s, the answer was easy-- Ali. Apollo was essentially Ali. Ali teased Stallone about that at the Oscars that year.
Remember that technically the champion does not have to win, he just has to not lose. That is what happen in the first fight, Apollo did not beat Rocky, but he won the decision and held on the the title. But for true champions like Joe Lewis, Ali, Larry Holmes, Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, its not enough to just hold on. They want to prove each time they are the best in the world, no questions asked. And if there is any doubt in the publics mind, you fight the man again. That is what Apollo was feeling here, he was the same type of champion. You duck no one, you go after whoever the public sees as a legit threat to you. Otherwise you are not really the best, your a con man pretending to be the best.
@@ExperienceEric that’s exactly what the promoter said in creed 2. Out of the dozens of champions their were, people maybe remember half a dozen. Basically you have to avoid winning by decision. If you do happen to win by decision, it should clear and apparent.
@@Igoruhandchu- 'Rocky 2' came out in 1979, actually... 'Rocky' came out in 1976. Be that as it may, it's too bad that Tony "The Duke" Evers is no longer with us. I completely forgot that he was a real-life boxer, also until after you said something about it.; I remember reading something about it, many years ago when I was in middle school because I love movie trivia/behind-the-scenes information/etc., but, it was so long ago, I literally forgot about it. Thanks for the memory refresher... R.I.P., Tony Burton.
"Man, I won but I didn't beat him!" Great line delivered expertly by a great actor RIP Carl, thank you for everything, you were a huge part of many of our childhoods and lives Still have a signed Rocky 2 poster up in my room with a framed photo of Carl and I, meeting at Comic Con in Newcastle upon Tyne. Legends live forever
sacr3d g6om9try Yes, very true! If Jason Robards hadn’t been nominated for All the Presidents Men, Burgess Meredith would’ve been a shoo-in for an Oscar based on his performance and longevity in Hollywood since the Supporting Actor/Actress category is often more of a lifetime achievement award
"I watched you beat this man like I've never seen a man get beat before. And the man.. kept coming.. after you." I've always loved that scene. The subtle pauses between the last 3 segments are done so well! Really puts emphasis on it.
Duke to Apollo in Rocky II: "...I saw you beat that man like I never saw no man get beat. And the man Kept. Coming. After you. We don't need that kinda man in our life..." There's something about Duke talking about Rocky like he's Michael Meyers like it's bone chillingly amazing.
This scene is the best acting moment of all the Rocky franchise. It gives me chills. Even as a kid, watching this on VHS tape. This scene gave me goosebumps. Tony’s acting is amazing. And Carl’s “Man, I WON but I didn’t BEAT him.” Hits. However, that line “Honest…” and Tony goes on about “I saw you beat that man, like I never saw you beat another man… and he just kept coming after you!” wow. That dialogue is epic.
"I Won, But I Didn't Beat Him" Not everyone could admit this to themselves, and even more so to others. This says a lot about Apollo. Karl Weathers played this character amazingly, and made a great contribution to the franchise. Creed is a very important part of Rocky's story, from the first movie to the second Creed movie.
Tony is one of the most underrated characters in the Rocky series. He truly does care about Apollo and supports him,even if he doesn't fully agree with his actions. He was true to his word when he said to Rocky "Apollo was like my son. I raised him." He always wanted what was best for Apollo,and if you notice,Burton's performance gets more and more emotional as the fight in part 2 goes on.,as if he knew Rocky was gonna win and wanted Apollo to be smart and stay away from him. Even in part 1 he wanted him to be careful and take the fight more seriously. Goes to show even a supporting character like himself can be honestly supportive just like Mickey was to Rocky. RIP Tony Burton. You are missed.
Scott Knode Everything you're saying about Rocky 4. None of what you're saying was written in the script! Apollo said this is just an exhibition. Tony yelled at the Russian trainers what are you doing supposed to be an exhibition. Rocky Told Apollo when you go out there try not to wear yourself out! Apollo said you make it sound like I'm an old man. Then Rocky told Apollo personally if it was me I wouldn't mind postponing for a few weeks... clearly Rocky was very cautious about Drago. And warned Apollo
Satyaki the 3rd best archer. Rocky did try to tell Apollo to take the fight seriously against Drago! He personally told Apollo. In the dressing room before the fight! If it was me Rocky said and I quote. I wouldn't mind postponing for a few weeks! After Apollo objects Rocky says come on we don't know anything about this Russian you're fighting! Rocky tried to get Apollo to pull out of the fight for a couple weeks. To find out more about Drago and have some more training time! Clearly Rocky sensed Drago intentions were bad!
Scott Knode How many times have you seen Rocky 4? You told one guy you was replying to. Who ask why didn't they inform Apollo to take Drago seriously! And your reply was because it was supposed to be an exhibition. And that they didn't know that Drago was going to take his skill to that level. That's completely inaccurate when Rocky plainly told Apollo! Try not to wear yourself out! Rocky plainly told Apollo if it were him. He would postpone the fight for several weeks! Rocky could clearly sense something wasn't right! And warned Apollo! A big fan of the Rocky franchise! And somebody who seen the movie plenty of times! Would have not misinformed or left this information out! Sorry dude not trying to be a jerk! But I don't think you know this Rocky series like you claim you do! If you truly are a cinephile! Of the Rocky franchise you are very incompetent one!
Scott Knode You guys come in here claiming to know the Rocky franchise! Look UA-cam is not just all Trolls! There are competent people. Who post in the comments. That know the Rocky series inside and out! And they will call out the wannabes who think they know this series!
"You beat that man ... like I never saw no man get beat before.. and the man.. KEPT.. COMING.. AFTER YOU... We don't need that kind of man in our life." That line? I agree.
1:05 - 1:46 One of the most brilliant pieces of acting ever. I recall Rocky II getting panned when it came out, why? If anything, I think it's even better than the first film.
I loved Carl Weathers portrayal of Apollo Creed, he was classy, intelligenct, articulate, and charismatic. A man driven to be the best fighter in the world. What took that away was Rocky his polar opposite, he became his obsession, but eventually they became the best of friends. Now years later Rocky his most worthy adversary and best friend has taken his son Adonis under his wing, and just like his father before him still carry on his legacy and name CREED.
C3- PO Apollo was also very angry about how first fight turned out after was accused by press and others that took fight too lightly, that he fixed the fight and seeing his family be tormented including his kids caused him to want fight Rocky and end it by beating Rocky so bad.
This scene is chilling. The spirit of Apollo and Rocky's fight from the first movie just moves through this series and this scene explains exactly why.
I love this scene because it highlights Duke's character. He had spent years building Apollo to be the best fighter and he was. Before Rocky, he was undefeated, never knocked down, never even really hurt in the ring. And despite Apollo's skill, Duke always looked out for him, even getting nervous when he was Rocky was a southpaw and punching raw meat. So, the fight happens and Apollo is having fun, wanting to give the crowd a show and Rocky a good payday along with his 15 minutes of fame. Then, Rocky knocks the champ down, in the first round! And even after the ref was distracted by Rocky, Apollo was down for a 9 count. Duke's fears were real; Rocky was the real deal. He was dangerous and unpredictable. Duke orders Apollo to just finish Rocky quick and forget this happened. Apollo, however, was hurt far more in his ego and pride. Some nobody just embarrassed him in front of the world. So, he wanted to punish Rocky and hurt him for daring to think of himself as a contender to Apollo. But, Rocky not only took the punishment but was able to dish it back. Duke was terrified now because he saw that Rocky had the potential to become a big deal, to become a dangerous world champion. After the fight which Apollo won, Duke wanted him to forget this blip on his record. To see Rocky as just some bum who got lucky because Apollo underestimated him and move on to bigger deals. However, Apollo's pride was so damaged and hurt even further by his own supporters turning on him. Sending him bags of hate mail saying that either Rocky should have won or Apollo had the fight fixed for money. Apollo wanted to prove that he was better than Rocky properly, not in some exhibition. Lucky or not, he'd make Rocky pay for what he did. Now, Duke was trying his best to convince Apollo to drop it and let it go. That Rocky was some nobody who got lucky, living off his small piece of fame and was all finished. Apollo was like his son and he wanted to make sure his boy was protected so he tried his best to mend his pride by bigging up Apollo and making Rocky seem like nothing. But then, Apollo asked, "Do you think I beat him?" And Duke couldn't lie. In his unbiased opinion, he didn't believe Apollo deserved the victory by nervously saying that the judges believed he won the fight and that was what mattered. So, he tells Apollo the truth. Rocky wasn't just some bum who was lucky. He was a serious, dangerous fighter with an iron jaw, furious body attacks and a savage left hook. He had the potential to become the next big thing and believed Apollo wanting to beat Rocky down instead of just getting points was a huge mistake because he had the ability to actually beat or badly hurt Apollo. And he begged him to just let it go for his own sake. Apollo was now more hurt because his second father, his best friend and trainer, didn't believe Apollo could just destroy Rocky in a few rounds should he actually try. But, that only motivated him more to prove him wrong. And the second fight, Duke begged him, even more, to just stick and move but Apollo wanted to knock Rocky out and humiliate him. But as we saw, he should have listened to Duke.
One correction. Apollo had not only 'not been challenged' in the ring, according to Rocky Apollo had knocked out every one of his opponents...."No one has ever gone the distance with Creed..."
Strange that it’s misconstrued that Rocky was beaten badly in the first fight. The decision was “split” meaning one judge had Rocky winning and deserving to be champ. For a split decision the fight had to be close with Apollo getting it just as bad as Rocky.
"Man I won, but I didn't beat him" ... This realization and acceptance is quality of great sportsman .... A system can descreminantly judge and declare someone winner or looser considering the popularity of a player .... But a true sportsman never accept it from heart ...
This scene showed that Apollo really did have the heart of a fighter. It's not about the decision or what the cards say, it's about standing triumphantly over your opponent and knowing you're the one who beat him with your own two fists.
This scene is why most most movies fall on their faces, they pick up a character at a cost of pulling down another. In this 2 minute and 33 second scene, they brought both characters up tremendously. They brought up Rocky toughness and fighting spirit and brought into play Apollo's pride which is usually portrayed as a bad thing. Apollo doesn't want to take other fighters that will yield better pay and more recognition, he wants to be better and take the bad match-up. This is the true side of Apollo, without cameras in his face.
For me, this was probably the most powerful scene in the Rocky franchise. It humanized Apollo and shows his personal struggle with his win by decision and not a clear count out. This movie really showcased Carl Weathers range as an actor.
When Tony told Apollo....I saw you beat that man, like I never saw a man get beat up before and the man keep coming after you.....To me that's the most intense scene in the whole movie.
Favorit scene. I always thought he said i saw you beat that man AND beat that man I would've lost a ton of money on a bet on what he said to another movie line nut like myself
This is my favorite scene as well. Tony's still, calm voice is filled with caution, fear, and concerrn. That combination alone made this one of the best scenes in the franchise.
I saw you beat that man like I never saw no man get beat before, and the man kept coming after you. Now we don't need no man like that in our lives. . " the way he delivered that line was perfection. he sounded like he loved apollo like he was his family
If Apollo had listened to Duke and forgotten about Rocky, he would've remained Heavyweight Champ. Apollo would've remained the most celebrated fighter of the 70's and 80's and Rocky would probably have gone back to his old life, his fifteen minutes of fame over, and remembered as a footnote in Apollo's career That also means Apollo would probably have been the one to fight Clubber Lang. I'm not sure how that fight would go (he was a bit older, and might've grown a bit complacent, like Rocky did), but if he won, he almost certainly would NOT have been able to take that fateful fight with Ivan Drago (Rocky, after all, had to forfeit his own title to fight Drago), which means Apollo likely would've lived to the present and perhaps gotten to know his son Adonis. One can only imagine how he'd react when young Donnie developed an interest in boxing.
Had he listened Apollo would have been close to retirement when Clubber Lang came along. Had he retired Lang would have gone on to be come the next champ more than likely. Just think it could have been Lang facing Drago the Russian in the ring!
Drago would have wiped the floor with Lang. Lang was great, but Drago was something else. In my opinion the strongest opponent in the entire franchise.
He probably would have beat Drago is he was in his prime. He greatly underestimated him, since it was supposed to be an exhibition bout and therefore did not really train for it, which is why he lost. Plus, Rocky beat Drago and Apollo beat Rocky twice.
I have seen this movie/clip thousands of times and it still gives me chills. Tony should have gotten some recognition for this clip. It was not only moving but it said that he did not look at Apollo as just some boxer but someone he had deep seeded feelings for.
Rest in peace Carl Weathers. The inspirational character you embodied, apollo creed, made us believe that there can be humility and grace in a champion and that forgiveness, once given, heals and binds us.
"He's all wrong for us, baby. I saw you beat that man like I never saw no man get beat before, and the man kept coming after you. Now we don't need no man like that in our lives." - Duke
@clhound well, more so just telling Apollo the truth. It would've been actually disrespectful for Tony to lie to Apollo's face, especially since Tony is Apollo's coach, and is supposed to be able to tell Apollo the truth
Love love love this scene!!! Makes you feel Rocky having great inner strength and Appollo needing to prove he's the man! Both men are driven! Such a great movie! Such great character development!
The part everyone misses in this scene is that when his trainer says at the very end "you're the champ", that is what completely made up apollo's mind. if he just would have ended his words at "let it go", he would have taken his advice, but since he said that he was the champ, it reminded apollo that as the champion, he had to prove to himself that he was really the champion. Beautiful scene.
I saw this movie when in a movie theater in Brooklyn, NY when I was 13 years old. The place was packed with about 300 Italian-Americans. They cheered every line Rocky spoke like it was Shakespeare. When this scene happened, and Tony Duke said the words, “And the man kept coming!” Someone yelled out, “That’s because he’s Italian!” The place erupted for what seemed like an eternity. To this day it remains the single greatest movie going experience of my life.
What I like about this scene is that Duke is trying to tell Apollo the same thing Mick tried to tell Rocky in Rocky 3. You only have so many wars in you, and you’ve got to have some easier fights and make some money before your brains get all scrambled. If you keep tempting fate, you run up and get somebody younger and hungrier. He’s trying to protect his fighter. Duke and Mickey were both great managers.
"Thank you!" That's one of the greatest things I've ever seen. Apollo wanted to know the truth and thanked him for it. Very few people have the guts for that.
I love Apollo’s character. He didn’t care about the money or championship. All he wanted was to beat the best to be the best. And then he ends up helping Rocky become his best in the third movie.
Agreed, a lot of fighters might just take the decision win and move on but Apollo wasn't satisfied. He wanted to prove himself, also the 2nd fight showed that Rocky was not just a fluke but a worthy opponent and in the end they both gained the respect of the public.
"I saw you beat that man like I never saw no man get beat before and the man kept coming after you! We don't need that kind of man in our life." Wow! POWERFUL line.
"I saw you beat that man like I never saw no man get beat before, and the man kept coming after you." That statement alone was enough for Apollo to make up his mind that no matter what anybody says, he was going to fight Rocky again. Because as the world champ, Apollo took it very offensive that his very own manager/father figure said that about another opponent that he fought.
That's more so in the 4th film against Ivan Drago but not against Rocky. Apollo didn't fight solely for money or fame. For him to believe he's a real champion he had to leave no doubt on the table.
I like the way they portray Apollo, saying "thank you" to Tony to acknowledge his care and concern for him, while inevitably ruling that the warrior and competitor in him is gonna win out in this decision.
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RIP to both Carl and Tony Burton. Man. It sucks getting older and your heroes pass.
Natures smarter than people think. 😢
It's a lot to process man I ain't gonna lie.
So sad I loved Carl
51 here.
Getting older…
This is a privilege denied to many.
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Tony basically was saying, "You have everything to lose and he doesn't."
A man with nothing to lose is a very dangerous man indeed
@@raymonddelacruz846 depends you lose vission to
Too bad Apollo always had that nagging doubt. To be a competitor you have to have that absolute certainty that you won.
@@matthewriley7826 that’s the point, he won the decision not the fight.
BOTTOM LINE!!!
Here after Carl Weather’s passing. RIP Carl. Your performance as Apollo Creed is timeless.
One of my favorite childhood actors. He's fortunate to have act with the two greatest action movie stars of this era; Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone in 2 very memorable movies: Rocky II and Predator.
This and Predator are two of his finest performances.
Action Jackson is awesome
He was the greatest! Him and Rock!
Rocky wouldn’t have been Rocky without Carl Weathers!
“Man I WON BUT I DIDNT BEAT HIM!!” The heart of a warrior
No contender had "gone the distance" with Apollo, meaning he'd won all title defenses (possibly all of his fights, but "the distance" might mean the full 15 rounds you see in title fights ) by knockout. The film shows scenes from 7 of the 15 rounds (as shown by the Statue of Liberty ring girl). Apollo clearly won 4 of the rounds shown. Round 14 was likely 10-8 for Apollo. Rocky won 3 of the rounds shown(1,2, and 15), and 2 of those were likely 10-8 rounds for Rocky. We don't know what happened in the other rounds. Based on what we saw, the fight was extremely close, likely with a razor thin advantage for Apollo, but the "split decision" was not shocking-- it's boxing. Apollo squeaked out a win, but to him, that's not "beating" him. Like you said, both were warriors.
@@testodude I haven't seen this movie in a hell of a long time but if I remember Apollo didn't take Rocky seriously until it was too late. In the sequel Rocky had more thorough training on top of the ring experience from their first match. Apollo has always been the more skilled and talented fighter and Rocky know this so that's why he accepted Apollo's offer to train him for his match against Clubber Lang in the 3rd Rocky film. Quite a lot to learn from the first 4 films.
@@simonsays6307 Yes, Apollo did sleep on Rocky in the first film. In the second, Rocky's training camp was actually shorter-- he was in the hospital seeing about Adrian for a lot of it. But once he started seriously, he had extra motivation. First time, Rocky fought for "the dream". Second time, he fought for "love". Not original-- that was part of the film promotion. :) I agree Rocky really, really admired Apollo, and was humble about his own talent.
Oh, yes, he did. And he don't have to worry about Rocky Balboa anymore. Apollo is the winner as the Championship Fighter. He won by the split decision. Rocky Balboa the challenger already went the distance with Apollo Creed the Champion boxer.
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“I saw you beat that man, like I never saw no man get beat before, and the man kept coming after you........Now, We don’t need that kind of man in our life!!” one of the most underrated scenes in the entire Rocky series
Best scene from the whole series imo
Always loved that scene, Let it goooo......
That line was even underestimated by Apollo.
One of my favorite scenes.
@@jlcm1980 nah Apollo got it but Apollo was like if he has as much heart as we know he has that’s who I need to test myself against
Apollo is a true champion and warrior. Once Tony admitted Rocky was a threat and a good fighter, Apollo couldn’t back down.
If Apollo is so damn good, why did he lost to Drago so easy
@@impersonal6650 Bro it’s a movie 😐
@impersonal66 And he was old by the time of that fight, and, quite literally, slipping. His fighting style demanded a lot of footwork, which his body could no longe sustain.
@@impersonal6650
1: Drago is a freak of nature and if that wasn't bad enough, he's on the juice.
2: Apollo was past his prime by then, Drago was in his prime and Apollo thought he was a bum and didn't train at all
Exactly he was a throwback fighter and so was Rocky
"I saw you beat that man ... like I never saw no man get beat before.. and the man.. KEPT.. COMING.. AFTER YOU... We don't need that kind of man in our life."
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"Yo Melina! We did it"
testodude I love that line
And this in essence sums up Rocky as a fighter and explains the primary difference between him and Apollo. Rocky's power comes, not from his superior skill or technique, agility or accuracy. But from his ability to take a beating and keep going. It's the same theme reinforced throughout the franchise. Love it.
Loved that line just showed rocky's ferocity in the ring
I like the second movie because it shows Apollo Creed wasn't an egotistical villain with a bad motive. His intentions were just like any other boxer in the same situation.
+Chibi Lychee I "like" the third movie (film) Rocky III mainly because of the hit song: I of the Tiger. Ever Top film needs a real good song. Sláinte!
I don't think he was portrayed as a villain in the first film. He was cocky but not villainous. Clubber Lang, Drago, Mason Line, those guys were villains.
That's true; but the thing about 80s movies is anyone who was egotistical was considered "a villain." Like in The Karate Kid. The bully was the "villain" until the audience realized it was really the teacher who was and the bully was just a victim of a bad teacher.
Chibi Lychee Those boxers also seemed to lack scruples as well. Clubber hitting on Adrian, Drago killing Apollo, and Mason becoming corrupt by fame.
Dixon was a real boxer.
RIP to a legend. Bro was so charismatic as Creed.
For real
Those films should have propelled him to superstardom. Yes, he did Predator and Action Jackson, but I can't understand why he didn't make it as big as Arnie or Stallone. In my opinion, he was a better actor than them both.
Tony was just protecting his fighter, just like Mickey tried to protect Rocky from Clubber Lang.
Never heard this angle. That's a great comparison.
Jose Luis Cortez Marquez
Exactly.
Tony knew Rocky had heart, guts, and he was HUNGRY.
Apollo was still a better fighter than Rocky as Rocky was better than Lang. Rocky just had more heart and handled hits better than Apollo.
Kind of different because like rocky said in creed, Apollo was a perfect fighter he did not need to be protected but Apollo was past his prime in this movie so you could say duke knew Apollo was already declining and Apollo would never admit this to himself as evident in rocky 4 as he believe he was in the best shape of his like. Rocky on the other hand was a brawler that could of easily been outboxed and was outboxed in both rocky 1 and 2. He needed to be carried to some degree then Apollo actually taught him to fight in rocky 3
I Am Rocky was not a better fight than Clubber Lang, not until Apollo and his trainer showed him the skill set to beat him. Clubber was just like Rocky before their first match but stronger and more hungry. At that point Rock had become soft.
100 % true
Incredible scene, Duke was right about not needing a man like that in their life and for a split second you can see in Apollo's eyes that he knows he's right, but his champions pride wouldn't allow it
Reminds me of Ali/Frazier, particularly the first and third fights. Ali busted Joe up, beat the crap out of him but “the man kept coming after him.”
A warning that was interpreted as a challenge. That's exactly how this whole scene went down.
How wrong he was. Where would Adonis be without Rocky.
@@HankFinkle11 DC
@@introvert9490 Adonis had a good career before he decided to box. He wanted to box in order to be like the father he never got a chance to know
RIP Carl. Man he delivered lines like no actor in his day. He was the villain, and you absolutely loved every second he was on the screen
Villain turned best friend later.
Apollo was a real guy. He wanted to fight the one that scared him the most.
Except he wasn’t scared of Rocky
No what scared him the most is people thinking he still don’t have the same skills , his ego is too big and that’s what got him killed sadly
He wasn't scared at all. He just wanted to WIN outright and unanimously
I wouldn't say scared.
@@mws755disagree. He may not have been scared of Rocky the man, but he was scared of the idea that there was someone out there more hungry and determined than him.
"What are you afraid of?"
_"Honest?"_
"Yeah, honest."
_"The franchise is NAMED after him.... he gets more camera-time .... by that reason alone he should've won the first fight. But this is a _*_sequal,_*_ baby! And it's got _*_HIS NAME_*_ on it! He's going to win!"_
Nicely done!
LMAO! Underrated comment!
@@benoitbrown9400 He calls him "unc" turd for brains. And Creed's son can beat the dog crap out of Rocky's son.
“He’s got plot armor baby”. The only reason he didn’t beat you the first time is because the movie the movie executives never thought the first movie was going to succeed like it did”
@@benoitbrown9400 tbf he calls him unc
RIP Tony Burton. He was in all 5 original Rocky movies plus "Rocky Balboa" which was part 6. It's nice to see so many people from a 70's movie franchise are still with us almost 50 years later 👍
And the shining
Rocky V does not exist in this dojo.
I don’t think he was in 5
@@gavingambuzza1824 He was in the shower scene after the Drago fight at the beginning of part 5 when Rocky tells Tony to "get adrian" when his hands are shaking, Tony tells him Apollo would of been proud
@@pinebarrenpatriot8289 very true! Thank you
Carl Weathers is a great actor.
Totally agree. I have no clue how he wasn't bigger. Very charismatic actor.
Antichrist2000 Predator
He's probably cooking a stew right now
@@TheBorderJumper17 baby you gotta stew going!
I think I'd like my money back.......
@@williamporter2394 *Intense staredown commences
Apollo shows his biggest strength and biggest weakness all in this brief scene. His unbreakable determination is what brought him to the top, but it's also what got him killed. Such a well written character.
Absolutely 💯, it's also what caused him to lose the second fight. Since he refused to stay away and win on points, his pride had to beat Rocky by knockout.
I feel the opposite about the latter. He didn’t lose the second fight because he was arrogant & prideful.
He lost to the ONLY man who ever actually challenged Apollo in his glory.
Apollo knew he had to do the rematch (and the private rematch later) because he knew the person he was would never live with himself if he had some left in the tank and never was truly tested by God.
Rocky was his Foil. The only true friend they both had in each other.
@@markgarcia8253He could‘ve won the fight by a CLEAR decision and there would’ve been barely anything Rocky could’ve done about it, if Apollo decided to play it safe. But his pride wouldn’t allow his victory to be disputed, so he went for the knockout and lost everything. Pride was his downfall. As it was against Drago, which cost him his life.
If you’re back here today, you know.
Rest in Peace, Carl Weathers.
Apollo couldn't let it go because of his pride. A fighter's pride. He knew deep down that whenever they call him the champ, he would living a lie.
His speech to Rocky in IV validates this perfectly.
Yep and thats what killed him. His pride was so strong that Rocky respected him as a real friend and didn't stop the fight. Apollo was the best character in the whole movie series.
frootjooce well, Apollo died before he knew that he had a child from that affair.
@frootjooce *"Then they ruined it in that new sequel and turned Apollo into a martial affair artist who father's children he doesn't know about"*
I don't understand why Cooglar went in that direction when he could have used one of his sons instead.
@@utrinqueparatus4042 I think the same will happen to Adonis in Creed 3. Because in the fight with Viktor Drago, Adonis won but he didn't beat him. He might want to have a rematch, just like his father
Carl Weathers is HIGHLY underrated as an Actor
He was the hightlight in rocky 1-4
Apollo Creed is my favorite actor in the Rocky series. I love his character development and carl weathers completely sells the role as a cocky heavyweight boxer, brought back to earth and ultimately meets his early demise.
Great soup maker too!
Weathers and Meredith steal the show in so many scenes. They're both phenomenal.
And acting coach!
“I WON BUT I DIDN’T BEAT HIM” What a great line, the delivery really made it!
Why ?
@@lexkanyima2195 really highlighted the character and the delivery made the scene 10x better than it already was
@@cobracommander6420 but it felt like a fluke
@@lexkanyima2195 which is why Apollo was trying to prove that it was a fluke, which, as we saw from the series, was not!
@@cobracommander6420 very tough
Goodbye Tony Burton, damn a heavy heart today. A staple in the Rocky movies that will be missed. I was hoping he would have been in Creed. Thank you for the memories
+tvmoviefan Yea, I was hoping to see Tony Burton in Creed also.
they brought him back in some capacity, his son Tony Jr., who was close with Adonis, so he was still close with the Creed family
I mean the actor playing the character. Not a substitute or his son. Tony Junior was not close with Adonis, he would not even help him.
***** tony jr was close with adonis he just didnt understand his willingness, he cared enough to try to want to keep him out of harms way
So they brought some life of the tony sr character
Don't see it, and it was still not Tony himself.
The reason people love Tony Duke so much as a character is that he’s the only real trainer who can see the potential in any fighter. What scared him about Rocky was evident from the first movie when he told Apollo then on three separate occasions that Rocky Balboa was the real deal
Occasion 1: when Apollo picked him out the book. Duke: “Nah he’s a southpaw. I don’t want you messin’ around with southpaws. They do everything backwards.
Occasion 2: Rocky’s interview in the 🥩 house when he was punching the slabs of 🥩. Duke(with a look of real concern on his face): “Hey champ! You better come look at this boy you gonna fight on TV. Looks like he means business
Occasion 3: the fight itself after the 1st round knockdown, the first of which Apollo has ever experienced at Rocky’s hands. Duke (with real concern and urgency): He doesn’t know it’s a damn show! He thinks it’s damn fight! Now finish this bum and let’s go home! End of the 14th round: “You’re bleeding inside champ! I’m gonna stop the fight!
Duke was the only one who truly knew from the beginning aside from Adrian that Rocky was a dangerous formidable fighter with something to prove who could be a champion.
A lefty with a chin who loves to work the body is a nightmare for any fighter, but for a guy like Creed it's pretty much kriptonite.
Boi i like pennies. isaiahangelo
Rocky was the fighter with nothing to lose and everything to gain especially in the first two movies.
@Sevag Kassabian is no the tears, but he kept saying that to apollo even though he was beating rocky.
Couldn’t have said it any better brother
Don’t know why, but after hearing about his passing this was the first scene I had to watch.
RIP Carl Weathers
"Let it go... Let it go..."
I've always loved how Duke delivers that line. He's practically pleading with Apollo to not go up against a man he sure as hell *KNOWS* is far more dangerous than he looks.
And it's at moments like that where I wonder, "What if?" What if Apollo had listened and not gone after Rocky? Other than, "Well, that'd have been the end of the franchise, probably..." I always wondered.
Should've said that when he took on Ivan Drago
Kwaj Duke could've sang on Frozen.
Sounds like he was auditioning for frozen.
Duke knows Apollo would never want to play it safe by simply winning on points, even though Creed has the skills to do so. Duke knows Creed only cares about the KO; Creed's pride and ego are too big.
Literally one of the greatest scenes in movie history. Tony Burton and Carl Weathers are ridiculously underrated actors
@alfa-psi yes they are.
I'm glad Carl Weather's career is still going strong with The Mandalorian.
It's not even one of the best scenes in a Rocky movie. It's clumsy exposition for why Apollo takes this stupid fight.
@@alphanerd7221 Change your name to Beta. What an awful take. This is one of the best scenes in the whole franchise.
@@GoAsCloseAsYouCan You are mad at me for saying something you don't like but can't refute. Cry about it loser.
1:08 - “…He’s all wrong for us, baby…”. LOVE THAT LINE!!!🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽
i swear
Apollo looks like a king addressing his court.
Back then, Heavyweight champ was a king pretty much. Boxing was HUGE then. Every kid in America knew who the heavyweight champ was. For most of the 70s, the answer was easy-- Ali. Apollo was essentially Ali. Ali teased Stallone about that at the Oscars that year.
King of the Ring.
"You think I beat him last time?"
[looks away] "You got the decision"
Ouch
He told him the truth to his face and Apollo thanked him for it.
2/3 judges think you beat him. That should be enough
Remember that technically the champion does not have to win, he just has to not lose. That is what happen in the first fight, Apollo did not beat Rocky, but he won the decision and held on the the title. But for true champions like Joe Lewis, Ali, Larry Holmes, Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, its not enough to just hold on. They want to prove each time they are the best in the world, no questions asked. And if there is any doubt in the publics mind, you fight the man again. That is what Apollo was feeling here, he was the same type of champion. You duck no one, you go after whoever the public sees as a legit threat to you. Otherwise you are not really the best, your a con man pretending to be the best.
@@ExperienceEric that’s exactly what the promoter said in creed 2. Out of the dozens of champions their were, people maybe remember half a dozen. Basically you have to avoid winning by decision. If you do happen to win by decision, it should clear and apparent.
Beautiful scene. It encompasses Rocky's character, Tony's character, and Apollo's character. Top tier storytelling.
i didnt like they killed Apollo. Rocky 4 is the only movie in this series I refuse to watch
That saiyan pride got to Apollo
HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!! I was just saying Apollo sounds like Vegeta!
Best comment
Rocky: Goku
Apollo: Vegeta
Adonis: Trunks
Daniel O rocky is vegeta Apollo is goku Adonis is gogeta
Daniel O viktor drago: broly
I still can't believe that the actor who portrayed Tony "The Duke" Evers is no longer alive.
R.I.P., Tony Burton.
I mean people die, this was in 76, he was a real boxer before too. He was my favorite in Rocky 4. RIP
@@Igoruhandchu- 'Rocky 2' came out in 1979, actually...
'Rocky' came out in 1976.
Be that as it may, it's too bad that Tony "The Duke" Evers is no longer with us.
I completely forgot that he was a real-life boxer, also until after you said something about it.; I remember reading something about it, many years ago when I was in middle school because I love movie trivia/behind-the-scenes information/etc., but, it was so long ago, I literally forgot about it.
Thanks for the memory refresher...
R.I.P., Tony Burton.
Well,he was old enough,no wonder
He was a real-life chess master and even beat Stanley Kubrick, another chess champion, on the set of The Shining.
He was a very good actor for sure. Very naturalistic.
"Man, I won but I didn't beat him!"
Great line delivered expertly by a great actor
RIP Carl, thank you for everything, you were a huge part of many of our childhoods and lives
Still have a signed Rocky 2 poster up in my room with a framed photo of Carl and I, meeting at Comic Con in Newcastle upon Tyne. Legends live forever
How Carl Weathers never got an Oscar nominee for his role as Apollo is beyond me
expendableloner facts
The original having oscars gold but it is too competition
Truth!
I agree. He deserved the award .
sacr3d g6om9try Yes, very true! If Jason Robards hadn’t been nominated for All the Presidents Men, Burgess Meredith would’ve been a shoo-in for an Oscar based on his performance and longevity in Hollywood since the Supporting Actor/Actress category is often more of a lifetime achievement award
"I watched you beat this man like I've never seen a man get beat before. And the man.. kept coming.. after you."
I've always loved that scene. The subtle pauses between the last 3 segments are done so well! Really puts emphasis on it.
He's All Wrong for us Baby. Lol. He knew
He was Apollo's Micky.
Duke to Apollo in Rocky II:
"...I saw you beat that man like I never saw no man get beat. And the man Kept. Coming. After you. We don't need that kinda man in our life..."
There's something about Duke talking about Rocky like he's Michael Meyers like it's bone chillingly amazing.
This scene is the best acting moment of all the Rocky franchise. It gives me chills. Even as a kid, watching this on VHS tape. This scene gave me goosebumps. Tony’s acting is amazing. And Carl’s “Man, I WON but I didn’t BEAT him.” Hits. However, that line “Honest…” and Tony goes on about “I saw you beat that man, like I never saw you beat another man… and he just kept coming after you!” wow. That dialogue is epic.
"I Won, But I Didn't Beat Him"
Not everyone could admit this to themselves, and even more so to others. This says a lot about Apollo. Karl Weathers played this character amazingly, and made a great contribution to the franchise. Creed is a very important part of Rocky's story, from the first movie to the second Creed movie.
Tony is one of the most underrated characters in the Rocky series. He truly does care about Apollo and supports him,even if he doesn't fully agree with his actions. He was true to his word when he said to Rocky "Apollo was like my son. I raised him." He always wanted what was best for Apollo,and if you notice,Burton's performance gets more and more emotional as the fight in part 2 goes on.,as if he knew Rocky was gonna win and wanted Apollo to be smart and stay away from him. Even in part 1 he wanted him to be careful and take the fight more seriously. Goes to show even a supporting character like himself can be honestly supportive just like Mickey was to Rocky. RIP Tony Burton. You are missed.
why didnt he tell them to take the fight seriously against Drago?
Scott Knode Everything you're saying about Rocky 4. None of what you're saying was written in the script! Apollo said this is just an exhibition. Tony yelled at the Russian trainers what are you doing supposed to be an exhibition. Rocky Told Apollo when you go out there try not to wear yourself out! Apollo said you make it sound like I'm an old man. Then Rocky told Apollo personally if it was me I wouldn't mind postponing for a few weeks... clearly Rocky was very cautious about Drago. And warned Apollo
Satyaki the 3rd best archer. Rocky did try to tell Apollo to take the fight seriously against Drago! He personally told Apollo. In the dressing room before the fight! If it was me Rocky said and I quote. I wouldn't mind postponing for a few weeks! After Apollo objects Rocky says come on we don't know anything about this Russian you're fighting! Rocky tried to get Apollo to pull out of the fight for a couple weeks. To find out more about Drago and have some more training time! Clearly Rocky sensed Drago intentions were bad!
Scott Knode How many times have you seen Rocky 4? You told one guy you was replying to. Who ask why didn't they inform Apollo to take Drago seriously! And your reply was because it was supposed to be an exhibition. And that they didn't know that Drago was going to take his skill to that level. That's completely inaccurate when Rocky plainly told Apollo! Try not to wear yourself out! Rocky plainly told Apollo if it were him. He would postpone the fight for several weeks! Rocky could clearly sense something wasn't right! And warned Apollo! A big fan of the Rocky franchise! And somebody who seen the movie plenty of times! Would have not misinformed or left this information out! Sorry dude not trying to be a jerk! But I don't think you know this Rocky series like you claim you do! If you truly are a cinephile! Of the Rocky franchise you are very incompetent one!
Scott Knode You guys come in here claiming to know the Rocky franchise! Look UA-cam is not just all Trolls! There are competent people. Who post in the comments. That know the Rocky series inside and out! And they will call out the wannabes who think they know this series!
What a great camera angle @1:26 where you see Apollo contemplating Dukes advice for a few seconds. Such a well crafted scene.
Duke was like, "leave this muthafucka alone" lol
That's the slj cut... they don't talk about that ...
"I saw you beat that man, like I saw no man get beat before and the man kept coming after you.."
Sounded like a horror movie when he said it.
RIP Carl Weathers, you will be missed. Under appreciated during his life, he was one of the best movie actors of his era.
“I saw you beat that man like I never saw no man get beat before, and the man kept. coming. after you.”
Gives me chills everytime
Tony knew Rocky was actually a legit fighter. He saw what Rocky could become.
One of the best lines ever on film. Rip Tony
"You beat that man ... like I never saw no man get beat before.. and the man.. KEPT.. COMING.. AFTER YOU... We don't need that kind of man in our life." That line? I agree.
Classic!
Kyle Holloway I second that
He's all wrong for us, baby
Every champion should take a page from Apollo, his fighting spirit was so unbreakable it even costed him his life.
"...and the man kept coming after you."
Damn, the way he said it, and remembering the scene, chilling. Rocky was 110% beast.
Yes - props to Stallone as not just star but writer and director. He got great performances out of all these guys.
1:05 - 1:46
One of the most brilliant pieces of acting ever.
I recall Rocky II getting panned when it came out, why? If anything, I think it's even better than the first film.
irritablearchitect
irritablearchitect The coma and the end of the fight are corny. It is not better than the original.
Personally i think rocky 1 & 2 is like a one movie.
You should listen it in italian...absolutely amazing part
It's literally the first one but a little more enjoyable and with a different winner.
What an icon ... our legends are passing on one by one .... RIP Carl Weather's
I loved Carl Weathers portrayal of Apollo Creed, he was classy, intelligenct, articulate, and charismatic. A man driven to be the best fighter in the world. What took that away was Rocky his polar opposite, he became his obsession, but eventually they became the best of friends. Now years later Rocky his most worthy adversary and best friend has taken his son Adonis under his wing, and just like his father before him still carry on his legacy and name CREED.
Its almost Shakespearean isnt it?
What Duke said only made Apollo wants more to fight Rocky
C3- PO it made him think for a minute, there. That maybe Tony is right. But his pride won't let him.
C3- PO Apollo was also very angry about how first fight turned out after was accused by press and others that took fight too lightly, that he fixed the fight and seeing his family be tormented including his kids caused him to want fight Rocky and end it by beating Rocky so bad.
C3- PO just like when Adrian said to rocky that he could never beat drago
C3-PO youre name is spelled wrong, it is actually C-3PO
Yeah Duke was using reverse psychology. He wanted Apollo to rematch Rocky since he knew that's where the big bucks were! :-)
This scene is chilling. The spirit of Apollo and Rocky's fight from the first movie just moves through this series and this scene explains exactly why.
Duke: Forget this bum!
Inner Duke: You can’t beat Rocky...
He did though.
Poor Rocky, everyone calls him a bum!
@@jamesAL9 even Mickey called him that.
Secret Ceremonies every Rocky movie says bum
I love this scene because it highlights Duke's character. He had spent years building Apollo to be the best fighter and he was. Before Rocky, he was undefeated, never knocked down, never even really hurt in the ring. And despite Apollo's skill, Duke always looked out for him, even getting nervous when he was Rocky was a southpaw and punching raw meat.
So, the fight happens and Apollo is having fun, wanting to give the crowd a show and Rocky a good payday along with his 15 minutes of fame. Then, Rocky knocks the champ down, in the first round! And even after the ref was distracted by Rocky, Apollo was down for a 9 count. Duke's fears were real; Rocky was the real deal. He was dangerous and unpredictable.
Duke orders Apollo to just finish Rocky quick and forget this happened. Apollo, however, was hurt far more in his ego and pride. Some nobody just embarrassed him in front of the world. So, he wanted to punish Rocky and hurt him for daring to think of himself as a contender to Apollo. But, Rocky not only took the punishment but was able to dish it back. Duke was terrified now because he saw that Rocky had the potential to become a big deal, to become a dangerous world champion.
After the fight which Apollo won, Duke wanted him to forget this blip on his record. To see Rocky as just some bum who got lucky because Apollo underestimated him and move on to bigger deals. However, Apollo's pride was so damaged and hurt even further by his own supporters turning on him. Sending him bags of hate mail saying that either Rocky should have won or Apollo had the fight fixed for money. Apollo wanted to prove that he was better than Rocky properly, not in some exhibition. Lucky or not, he'd make Rocky pay for what he did.
Now, Duke was trying his best to convince Apollo to drop it and let it go. That Rocky was some nobody who got lucky, living off his small piece of fame and was all finished. Apollo was like his son and he wanted to make sure his boy was protected so he tried his best to mend his pride by bigging up Apollo and making Rocky seem like nothing.
But then, Apollo asked, "Do you think I beat him?" And Duke couldn't lie. In his unbiased opinion, he didn't believe Apollo deserved the victory by nervously saying that the judges believed he won the fight and that was what mattered. So, he tells Apollo the truth.
Rocky wasn't just some bum who was lucky. He was a serious, dangerous fighter with an iron jaw, furious body attacks and a savage left hook. He had the potential to become the next big thing and believed Apollo wanting to beat Rocky down instead of just getting points was a huge mistake because he had the ability to actually beat or badly hurt Apollo. And he begged him to just let it go for his own sake.
Apollo was now more hurt because his second father, his best friend and trainer, didn't believe Apollo could just destroy Rocky in a few rounds should he actually try. But, that only motivated him more to prove him wrong. And the second fight, Duke begged him, even more, to just stick and move but Apollo wanted to knock Rocky out and humiliate him. But as we saw, he should have listened to Duke.
One correction. Apollo had not only 'not been challenged' in the ring, according to Rocky Apollo had knocked out every one of his opponents...."No one has ever gone the distance with Creed..."
You and that chump don't know where I've come from!
Strange that it’s misconstrued that Rocky was beaten badly in the first fight. The decision was “split” meaning one judge had Rocky winning and deserving to be champ. For a split decision the fight had to be close with Apollo getting it just as bad as Rocky.
Then Mickey does the same thing to Rocky before the first fight with Clubber Lang
Apollo not listening to the people who knew better is what eventually did him in in Rocky IV.
Just now hearing that Carl Weathers has just recently passed away. He lived a great life, and this clip shows how talented he was.
"Man I won, but I didn't beat him" ... This realization and acceptance is quality of great sportsman .... A system can descreminantly judge and declare someone winner or looser considering the popularity of a player .... But a true sportsman never accept it from heart ...
This scene showed that Apollo really did have the heart of a fighter. It's not about the decision or what the cards say, it's about standing triumphantly over your opponent and knowing you're the one who beat him with your own two fists.
This is one of my favourite scenes in The Rocky franchise.
Rest In Peace Carl Weathers.
We done lost a legend😞
I'm here because of Carl passing RIP champ
I admire Apollo for not wanting to be fraud ..... He wouldn't be able to live with himself
Unlike certain boxers right now, Mayweather.
This scene is why most most movies fall on their faces, they pick up a character at a cost of pulling down another. In this 2 minute and 33 second scene, they brought both characters up tremendously. They brought up Rocky toughness and fighting spirit and brought into play Apollo's pride which is usually portrayed as a bad thing. Apollo doesn't want to take other fighters that will yield better pay and more recognition, he wants to be better and take the bad match-up. This is the true side of Apollo, without cameras in his face.
For me, this was probably the most powerful scene in the Rocky franchise. It humanized Apollo and shows his personal struggle with his win by decision and not a clear count out. This movie really showcased Carl Weathers range as an actor.
Tony Burton's acting in this scene is amazing, you really feel that his character is in emotional pain having to tell Apollo the truth.
Absolutely! Duke loved Apollo like a son and was being real with him.
Got to respect Apollo. He wanted to be the champion and not just a winner.
When Tony told Apollo....I saw you beat that man, like I never saw a man get beat up before and the man keep coming after you.....To me that's the most intense scene in the whole movie.
Favorit scene. I always thought he said i saw you beat that man AND beat that man
I would've lost a ton of money on a bet on what he said to another movie line nut like myself
@doriangabrielmaysonet4278 maybe the most intense scene in the whole franchise! GREAT scene! :)
This is my favorite scene as well. Tony's still, calm voice is filled with caution, fear, and concerrn. That combination alone made this one of the best scenes in the franchise.
Carl Weathers is a vastly underrated actor. He was fantastic in the Rocky films.
agreed
Grew up thinking he played Lando in Star Wars. At least he’s in the mandalorian now lol,
"I saw you beat that man like I never saw no man get beat before, and the man kept coming after you. Now we don't need no man like that in our lives."
I saw you beat that man like I never saw no man get beat before, and the man kept coming after you. Now we don't need no man like that in our lives. . " the way he delivered that line was perfection. he sounded like he loved apollo like he was his family
If Apollo had listened to Duke and forgotten about Rocky, he would've remained Heavyweight Champ. Apollo would've remained the most celebrated fighter of the 70's and 80's and Rocky would probably have gone back to his old life, his fifteen minutes of fame over, and remembered as a footnote in Apollo's career
That also means Apollo would probably have been the one to fight Clubber Lang. I'm not sure how that fight would go (he was a bit older, and might've grown a bit complacent, like Rocky did), but if he won, he almost certainly would NOT have been able to take that fateful fight with Ivan Drago (Rocky, after all, had to forfeit his own title to fight Drago), which means Apollo likely would've lived to the present and perhaps gotten to know his son Adonis.
One can only imagine how he'd react when young Donnie developed an interest in boxing.
Had he listened Apollo would have been close to retirement when Clubber Lang came along. Had he retired Lang would have gone on to be come the next champ more than likely. Just think it could have been Lang facing Drago the Russian in the ring!
Drago would have wiped the floor with Lang. Lang was great, but Drago was something else. In my opinion the strongest opponent in the entire franchise.
Antoine Wolfgang Also Rocky had to give up the championship to fight Drago. I doubt Lang would have ever done that.
NocturneKing He would have beat Lang not Drago. Drago was like a cartoon character not real.
He probably would have beat Drago is he was in his prime. He greatly underestimated him, since it was supposed to be an exhibition bout and therefore did not really train for it, which is why he lost. Plus, Rocky beat Drago and Apollo beat Rocky twice.
RIP Tony Burton
Just heard about that today. So sad.
I was already playing a fashion game before I was watching "The Shining".
I have seen this movie/clip thousands of times and it still gives me chills. Tony should have gotten some recognition for this clip. It was not only moving but it said that he did not look at Apollo as just some boxer but someone he had deep seeded feelings for.
Rest in peace Carl Weathers. The inspirational character you embodied, apollo creed, made us believe that there can be humility and grace in a champion and that forgiveness, once given, heals and binds us.
"He's all wrong for us, baby. I saw you beat that man like I never saw no man get beat before, and the man kept coming after you. Now we don't need no man like that in our lives." - Duke
Apollo: “You think I beat him the last time, do ya? Tony: “You got the decision…” that hit hard.
He disrespected him without disrespecting him.
@clhound well, more so just telling Apollo the truth. It would've been actually disrespectful for Tony to lie to Apollo's face, especially since Tony is Apollo's coach, and is supposed to be able to tell Apollo the truth
This is one of my all time favorite scenes ever in any movie. "We don't need that kind of man in our life". Priceless!
Love love love this scene!!! Makes you feel Rocky having great inner strength and Appollo needing to prove he's the man! Both men are driven! Such a great movie! Such great character development!
The part everyone misses in this scene is that when his trainer says at the very end "you're the champ", that is what completely made up apollo's mind. if he just would have ended his words at "let it go", he would have taken his advice, but since he said that he was the champ, it reminded apollo that as the champion, he had to prove to himself that he was really the champion. Beautiful scene.
I saw this movie when in a movie theater in Brooklyn, NY when I was 13 years old. The place was packed with about 300 Italian-Americans. They cheered every line Rocky spoke like it was Shakespeare. When this scene happened, and Tony Duke said the words, “And the man kept coming!” Someone yelled out, “That’s because he’s Italian!” The place erupted for what seemed like an eternity. To this day it remains the single greatest movie going experience of my life.
This is a great comment.
Eddie Murphy hit that right on in his stand up RAW.
Yes we italians tend to have alot of pride
@@ballsagl3955 but stay getting knockout in the ring
@@immaculateAMG yea and we stay getting back up lol
RIP Carl. A true icon, a true legend, and all the heart one could take. Thank you, thank you so much Apollo, keep punching... 😔✌️❤️. RIP Carl Weathers
This is Tyson Fury thinking about Nganou right now lol.
One of my favorite scenes in the whole Rocky saga.
What I like about this scene is that Duke is trying to tell Apollo the same thing Mick tried to tell Rocky in Rocky 3. You only have so many wars in you, and you’ve got to have some easier fights and make some money before your brains get all scrambled. If you keep tempting fate, you run up and get somebody younger and hungrier. He’s trying to protect his fighter. Duke and Mickey were both great managers.
RIP Carl you will always be a Legend.
Carl weathers is a hell of an actor. It’s just amazing seeing him being Apollo
Had to come back to this great acting…rest up Carl
This was a great scene as it showed Apollo wasn't just the antagonist but also a man going through his own internal struggles.
"Thank you!" That's one of the greatest things I've ever seen. Apollo wanted to know the truth and thanked him for it. Very few people have the guts for that.
I love Apollo’s character. He didn’t care about the money or championship. All he wanted was to beat the best to be the best. And then he ends up helping Rocky become his best in the third movie.
Apollo wasn't just a boxer, he was a warlord!
Peace is usually never an option! 👊😎🇺🇲
Agreed, a lot of fighters might just take the decision win and move on but Apollo wasn't satisfied. He wanted to prove himself, also the 2nd fight showed that Rocky was not just a fluke but a worthy opponent and in the end they both gained the respect of the public.
"I saw you beat that man like I never saw no man get beat before and the man kept coming after you! We don't need that kind of man in our life." Wow! POWERFUL line.
"I saw you beat that man like I never saw no man get beat before, and the man kept coming after you."
That statement alone was enough for Apollo to make up his mind that no matter what anybody says, he was going to fight Rocky again. Because as the world champ, Apollo took it very offensive that his very own manager/father figure said that about another opponent that he fought.
That was Apollo’s Achilles’ Heel: His Ego and in the end, it’s what got him killed.
That's more so in the 4th film against Ivan Drago but not against Rocky. Apollo didn't fight solely for money or fame. For him to believe he's a real champion he had to leave no doubt on the table.
Best line of all Rocky Movies. " WE DONT NEED THAT KINDA MAN IN OUR LIFE".
This scene was one of the most important scenes in the whole franchise and brilliantly acted.👑👑👑
“You fight great, but I’m a great fighter” - RIP Carl Weathers aka Apollo Creed
I like the way they portray Apollo, saying "thank you" to Tony to acknowledge his care and concern for him, while inevitably ruling that the warrior and competitor in him is gonna win out in this decision.
"insulting my kids at school"
so that means adonis has siblings he don't know about?
yes, they have been mentioned in the creed films. They were all older than him.
Right. Adonis was the SIDE baby.
@@mrb.2497 😂😂😂😂😂
He knows about them. He even talks to one in the first one.
I figured that one of them would wanna fight Adonis in the creed series. I figured it could be creed 3.
Sometimes it not about the money, sometimes you just have to prove to yourself what you can do. That's what I go from this scene. Very inspiring ...
May you R.I.P. Mr. Weathers. You're portrayal of Apollo Creed will never be forgotten.
One of the most classic and underrated movie scenes of all time. I also liked him in Rocky 4.. "Apollo was like my son, I raised him".
Just heard the news. RIP Carl Weathers. You're with your trainer Tony Burton now.
That short, slow zoom on apollo after Duke says "we don't need that kind of man in our life" works so well.
0:44 “Do you think I beat him last time?”
*sits back* “You got the decision.”