Could This Setting Really SOLVE The Memory Leak?!... | Resizable BAR FPS Testing / Analysis For EFT
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- Опубліковано 7 лип 2024
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A viewer suggested I take a look at ReBAR yet again, and I did not think that I would have such a drastic effect on the RAM consumption of Tarkov. Like I said in the video, p l e a s e share your thoughts and experiences in the comments- this is all a group effort :)
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Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
1:04 Introducing the Stats
1:30 Explaining The Process
2:04 What Did I Change? (Explaining ReBAR)
2:32 Tarkov's Odd Behavior With ReBAR Didn't Show Offline
3:04 Explaining The A.R.C (Auto. RAM Cleaner) Issue Again
3:17 The Real Difference
4:18 RAM's A Rollercoaster
4:54 Disabling ReBAR... helped?
5:44 Beware of any slight stutters (FPS talk)!
6:26 Why Is This Relevant?
6:57 How You Can Test This (And Why You Should)
7:37 My Recommendation
7:55 Addressing My Previous Statement W/ ReBAR
8:31 Conclusions / Many, Many Thanks
Settings:
Resolution: 1440p
Screen: Borderless
Texture Quality: Medium
Shadows Quality: Low
Object LOD Quality: 3
Overall Visibility: 1500
Anti-aliasing: TAA High
Resampling: 1x off (duh)
DLSS/FSR 1.0/ FSR 2.1: Off
HBAO: High
SSR: High
Anisotropic Filtering: On
Nvidia Reflex: Off
Sharpness: 0.9
MIP Streaming OFF
Specs:
CPU: i5-12600k
GPU: EVGA RTX 3070 Ti FTW3 Ultra
RAM: 32GB (2x16GB) @ 3200mhz CL16
1 TB SDD
MOBO: MSI PRO Z690-A DDR4 ProSeries
PSU: Corsair RM 850x
#EscapeFromTarkov #EFT - Ігри
These are actually the first tarkov performance boost videos that have worked for me flawlessly, nothing else has helped so far. I guess our PCs are linked by fate, so thanks for finding this shit out.
been waiting for this!
I had a lot of problems with streets since I turned rebar on...doing some testing with it off, gonna keep you posted.
hey, loving your videos - feel like im watching myself doing weird things for hours and hours and ending up more confused each time (learning more though). This wipe, my conclusion for nvidia atleast : reset cp settings for tarkov -> if 1080p screen (do dsr from 1080p to 1440p. )( or 2x resampling in game), textures low, shadows medium, lod 2,5-3 , view 400-1000. hbao max performance, ssr off, reflex off, anistropic ON, untick all. 2 things after this you could test : V-SYNC on ingame and nvidia CP : force off = uncaps frames / (then use limiter like rtss or cp )this can be combined with power profile for max performace as reflex is off and no boost enabled. But, for me with limiting ingame fps has been resulting more steady frame times with 2x resampling - ingame fps limiter is bugged i belive ; for me best has been 80. if i set it to i.e "76" frametimes will start to spike, 80 its steady. 82 = spiky. ...overall :: you need to have 80% usage on gpu (need to leave room for double render scopes)
and limit fps to upper part of avg fps. ....This does not solve streets but has made game quite stutter free for me (sorry for bad english, played whole night and coffee is not working)
Hello, I wanted to thank you for this video. I went through months and months of troubleshooting trying to fix why my game would not run properly (on a RTX 3080 etc..) and only getting 60-80 FPS unscoped. Eventually after 3-4 raids I had to restart the game to get back to decent FPS. I tried so many things to troubleshoot, but nothing helped. Even reinstalled my whole PC. Eventually I just gave up and had the Auto-RAM cleaner on for ever that way I could play decently. I turned off NVIDIA Resizable BAR today and my FPS sky rocketed to 100+ FPS again on most of the maps (except streets). I don't really understand why, since this is a PCIE technology and how it's related to RAM, but hey, it works, and I can finally die 50% of the time on 120 FPS. So thank you my friend!! :)
Awesome! If you want too, I'd recommend trying to run ReBAR on WITH NPI on- I have another video about it that I released just after this one. Its worth a test as I had very similar results with ReBAR Off Vs. Rebar + NPI (which is Nvidia Profile Inspector btw). Regardless, glad it helped friend :D
lol, love the subtle “zoom-stare” at 6:50. Gg
Keep doing your thing
3800x - 48GB Ram@3200mhz (8-16-8-16) and RTX 2070, streets went from 40-50 to 50-65~, just by disabling the ReBAR, first actual fps boost that i was able to feel in a optimization guide!
CORRECTION FOR GRAPH: Runs #4 and #5 were WITHOUT ReBAR- I know I mentioned this in the video, but the titles on the key did not reflect this. It will be fixed for the next video on this topic. Sorry about that.
As I say in the video, I absolutely encourage you all to contribute to testing this, as a viewer suggestion is what led me to this in the first place. (also, as an FYI, I have been trying to proc Auto RAM Cleaner with things other than opening the settings menu, but I have not been able to witness it yet. Please let me know if that works for you too.)
Thank you so much for watching and I'll see you in the stream soon (if you're reading this when I post it)!
Resizable bar is not supported at the engine level.. it has been a loss or placebo every time in my experience. Your best bet to gain frames is make sure your power management is set to prefer max power and set your texture quality to performance or high performance. Testing with a shader cache of 5GB (1gb is default) is also worth while.
Hmm I wonder if it's platform specific, nothing worked for me last wipe (I think the leak only happened on streets). This wipe I turned on cleaner and my leak went away, same with my friend. Both on AMD CPUs.
As we talk on your stream i disable ReBar . but since i start research about it i find out in order to ReBar to work you also need to enable "above 4g decoding/crypto curency mining" and this is mostly for more GPU's as far as i find out. So this thing affects the amount of ram allocated at a time for the processor to work with video memory. and this explains some increase in the consumption of RAM. Previously, you had to huddle in a 4GB block, while the above 4g, you can use whole area. And this ReBar allows the graphics api to pass large blocks of memory more then 256 mb ... . So what i suggest is to turn this aswell OFF since you're not using more then 1 GPU. Also i find out that this above 4g thing change the path of how your motherboard works in order to function with more GPU's.
Hi there. Great fan. I don´t think it´s a bug. EFT is using a rather old version of unity. Unity 2019. Since ReBAR was used by NVIDIA only after AMD introduced SAM (whic is the same tech), unity probably never thought about supporting this tech since it lay dormant up until 2020, although the tech is on most boards since 2010. Maybe Unity 2021 will support ReBAR properly.
@@Marauder1981 Ahhhh- I think you've hit the nail on the head with that one. I didn't think about it like that. I will definitely be looking at ReBAR again once Unity gets updated 👍
awesome video, it’s great to see someone lookin into this when bsg kinda won’t. one suggestion; could u make the graphs slightly bigger on the screen? mobile yt got me squintin.
You got it friend, will do for next time :)
It’s crazy the specs you need to run this game properly
Idk about others, I've forced turned on rebar through nvidia profile inspector. seems to work some what, but I also run ISLC and reduct, as well process lasso for disabling psychical cores.
I've been playing Tarkov for 3+ years, and never had a system with REBAR support (until very recently) - I still got the memory leak issues, especially with streets.
Several patches back I remember the game hitching almost every time you accessed (or exited, I can't remember) your inventory in raid, and I vaguely remember the explanation being that it was doing garbage collection then, because someone at BSG thought that was a good idea... I can't confirm that, but that's what I remember it being.
Going on that assumption I have a feeling automatic ram cleaner might be set up to only run in menus at times to prevent hitching caused by it interfering with the other parts of the game execution. Especially on a really intensive map like Streets, they'd want to limit anything that's going to make the performance worse.
THX DUDE
I will try this and see what happens
I did some further tests with Auto RAM Cleaner ( in-game option ) with my setup and its unplayable, to the point where: if I press ESC mid-raid with this option on I get so much stutter I'm actually disconnected to the game every single time!
I've heard this more than once- maybe that setting is purposely disabled unless you open the menu due to that.
I have the exact same issue I can’t go to menu in streets lol
My friend has this same issue, I had never heard of it happening before to anyone else besides now.
I'm using ISLC but as klemin explained It doesn't do the intelligent RAM garbage collector stuff, but since I can't use in-game config its being my way to go
My game also became prone to crashes when I enabled the Auto RAM cleaner and tried to Esc.
The amount of setting I have to change on my computer to fix this map is getting silly now, I know I wont remember changing these things later down the line
I have not been able to connect to a streets raid this wipe, when it goes to load in I get server disconnected & unable to join back.
I was playing streets all last wipe no issue.
3070ti
i9 139000k
32g ram
Mobo b660+D4
Tarkov is such a pile of shit I don’t think the game will ever be outta beta
Well, EFT uses Unity and the core graphics engine is not in-house developed by BSG. We know BSG used to have some culling scripts in the past due to the lack of some robust solution in previous Unity versions. If this is a issue, it's a Unity scalability issue, not exclusively EFT issue. EFT pushes Unity beyond its limits, if look closely.
noticed some stutters on streets aswell, turned it off, gonna test it soon!
Just so you know if you are on a Nvidia GPU, I tested some new settings regarding this using Nvidia Profile Inspector and it made me even more confused on it. Ironically, according to my numbers you can play with it off OR on with N.P.I to essentially the same effect, but ON without N.P.I causes some issues. I'll be discussing it in tomorrow's video, but still feel free to try it as it still might help :)
Please share the testing with rBar forced from Nvidia Profile Inspector, rebar on its own doesn't do much if anything on Nvidia Cards unless forced on a driver level
He did in a video a year ago according to him and may do it again following this one
@OmniXen26 I did it. The video will hopefully be up on the 29th (tomorrow) and I am genuinely baffled at the results. Seriously gonna have to get all of your inputs for this one because uh.... shit's wack
When I notice my FPS is low, if I pause my game, turn off antialiasing, and turn it back on, I'll get a significant FPS increase usually around 30%.
This comment alone makes me realize how backshit crazy Tarkov's performance is... like huh
@@klemintime1452 this weeks BSG announcement of plans says, they are going to mostly focus on optimization going forward, possibly delaying new content release until game launch 1.0. So now is the time to hit them with all the collected suggestions from such tech knowledgeable players such as you. Gg.
Hopefully the new unity 21 game engine helps as well
Please do a retest with the profile inspector and force rebar.
Will do o7- itll just take some time.
@@klemintime1452 thank you for your hard Work and time to Test that stuff for the Community!
Great stuff dude, Ill give it a shot as I have some intermittent issues on my PMC and cant even launch a Scav raid on Streets. while loading the mem usage will spike to max 28-32gb then it disconnects. This might have been discussed already, but have you tried replacing ARC with QuickCPU or something similar that can be configured to clean mem on a usage trigger or %used?
I've tried ISLC and ESL, but not that yet. If that only clears standby RAM and doesn't try and get process to clear their "accidentally used" RAM, then it won't be much of a difference from those softwares.
What graphics settings are you running?
Just tried turning ReBAR on and off, ram consumption went down a little (talking 500mb) when turning it off, but my frames did as well (avg 5 frames less) for some reason... Its so hard getting consistent results on Tarkov without a proper bench haha
So I have a question, Should I keep Process Lasso or delete it from my system?
Process Lasso is fine to have- if you'd like it to help control background processes and disable SMT, feel free to keep it.
@@klemintime1452 disabling the resize did he trick for me.
I have a CAD$3000 PC with amazing specs, using high graphics I couldn’t even load into streets. On low graphics I am stuck between 40-60 on that map. It’s a joke. Everything else runs perfectly though. But lately I can’t play the game, both my PMC and SCAV get a disconnected from server message. It’s unplayable.
can i ask you something? after some minutes on my street raid , the fps are ''good'' but it occurs some small stutters, and i can see my ram is 23 gb of 32 used only by tarkov , and my fps goes from for example 85 to 70 for 0.5 sec and goes back to 85-90 to give an example, what can i change to avoid this ? I tried resize bar off and on nothing changed.
This variability in frame rate changes depending on not only what's happening in raid, but also where you are looking. Seriously. Your issue is the main issue I'm trying to help alleviate.
thanks @@klemintime1452
Been dealing with this for multiple wipes even after a whole new pc, same issue. None of my friends understood why and still to this day after changing a lot of setting changes I can barely play bigger maps like streets, lighthouse, woods, even interchange
You can't play any of those maps?
What are your PC's specs?
@@samuelkruithof 3060, I7 3700k, 32gbs of ram. Last computer was 1080ti like an old I7 and 16gbs ram. It definitely plays better on this pc when it wants to but for the most part it’s still pretty bad and on average not a huge upgrade
@@stinkybhole the biggest performance change in tarkov comes from the cpu and ram speed.
You did enable xmp for your ram speed?
@@stinkybhole my guy an i7 3700k is old as fuck what is wrong whit you?
ddr3 or ddr3?@@stinkybhole
you're doing god's work, man. bsg does not deserve your free labor 😅
giggabeef said offline is different than online, so what we do here is different than online
Re-Bar is just helping for some games, you can see that at nvidia profile inspector…
Also if you would have done a bit more internet research about how re-bar works, you would know that re-bar is ONLY helping if you have textures that are bigger than 256 Bit, Tarkov aswell as the most „Old“ Games don‘t have Textures bigger than 256 Bit ;)
I just enabled re-bar on a 8700k on a z370 chipset and went from 28 fps on streets to 58-60* on a rtx4080 @3440x1440
who buys a 4080 with a dog shit 8700k wtf bro its like buying a lambo with tires that are finished
because i upgraded my gpu before my cpu I'm now running a 5800x3d@@zGiGi
After this video, I'm pretty sure they're triggering GC when you open the menu.
My pc must not be able to support REBAR in the first place and im having MASSIVE RAM issues in tarkov mainly with streets/lighthouse, i have been trying to troubleshoot this for fucking days and i just don't know what to do anymore
You sound like someone who joined the discord already but if you haven't I highly suggest you do. Make sure you watch the next video in this series (its a playlist on my channel) so you can see the effects of forcing it via N.P.I. If you have at least a somewhat recent PC with a Pascal (1000 series) Nvidia chip and up, it *should* work, but we can help!
All good an all, but there is no Nvidia Profile for Tarkov using resizablae BAR. I just enabled BAR for other games for the first time so im going to test Tarkov as well. I try to keep an open mind, but im sceptical if i will loose performance over enabling BAR. I'll report back asap.
I made another video right after this one testing *just* that very thing haha. You can cross compare your results there :)
Just tested it, with Reziable BAR off. No difference for me at least. Same memory leak and same fps compared to Reziable Bar on.
Hello! I notice you are using win 10. From configuration of my friends setting I noticed using WIn 11 for 12,13 gen intel cpus works much better. Maybe test it out?
I've been thinking about upgrading to it for a while... maybe its time to take the plunge.
@@klemintime1452 Yep i def recommend it. I have been doing setups for friends and 4/5 def liked it
Forgot about this setting, i turned it on again using profile inspector. The game feels better with less stutter although for the first two raids it was worse for some reason. Im running a 3080 TI and i9-10850 with almost same settings as klem and im at 110-144fps with around 7500 vram on maps like customs and interchange
yo- i have a 3090 + i9 9900k @1080p and get pretty run of the mill fps 90-110 Lighthouse 100-120 customs/reserve- how do you do it?
@@NeoChaawuu1 im not 100% certain, ive been doing way to many optimizations. The only thing im sure of is that in my case reducing load on the cpu has helped a lot. Its also running at 5Ghz on all cores and 4300 on ring ratio. Im on a 4k monitor, i tested 1080 rez and it does not improve my frames at all.
@@NeoChaawuu1you might be having a cpu bottleneck since its 1080p
Interesting, I will turn that off once I get back in, and see if that helps.
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Did you test with scavs on? That makes a massive difference too and can flaw testing if they were off.
Guys I’ve installed new ram and I can’t seem to select the 3200mhz option as my pc crashes when I choose any option above 2133
give the ram more power look up how much power should be used with what hertz if that doesnt work you may need a better psu and or you bought 2133 hertz ram
Did you change the xmp profile in your motherboard's BIOS?
Your motherboard has to be able to support your RAM, and you have to enable XMP in your BIOS before your RAM can run at its advertised speeds. Google it up for your motherboard and you should find how to do it.
You should be selecting the speed via xmp. Don't manually set the speed. Lookup how to do that with your motherboard
You gotta try both these guys' advice theyre spot on
@@numeroussaturn5787 Thanks!! Ill try it
Im pretty sure your overlay is showing vram allocation and not actual vram usage.
3070ti is 8GB vram so at the moment the game is allocating all you have, if you had the usage stat being shown its probably over the 8GB you have and in that circumstance will begin to pull more system Ram.
From what ive witnessed in my system so far with a 16GB gpu, vram usage at the start of raid on my settings is around 12GB dropping down to around 6GB through the raid.
any tips for someone (me) with a 3070Ti, Ryzen 9 7900X & 64GB DDR5 RAM? Quite honestly I pull like 90-110FPS on every map besides Streets and really just want to get Streets running semi-well if possible
I do have GPU VRAM Usage checked in MSI afterburner- I didn't think that reported allocation, but does it?
Also about the VRAM spillover- that's what I mentioned in my last video about the topic so I'm keeping that in mind.
@klemintime1452 I could be completely wrong but in msi afterburner you should have one called 'memory usage' and another called 'memory usage\process'.
I have both checked and I believe the 'process' is what shows you the Vram your actually using.
With Ram it has exactly the same with both options available to be checked.
I’m playing Warzone it also have memory leaks
Sreets is capping my 32gb ram, idk wtf is going on.....
That's not how resizeable bar works. At least with Nvidia GPUs. Even if rebar is enabled in the bios, it is never activated by default. To use rebar in eft you have to use a tool called Nvidia profile inspector and enable the three rebar settings in there.
Otherwise rebar is never used in eft on Nvidia.
Bump
Do you think an increase in performance would happen if you enabled it in inspector?
I know, thats why I mentioned me discussing that in my video from over a year ago. The next video will most likely be me using that method.
I'm actually starting to think this game is coded to limit FPS if quality settings are lowered far below the capability of the machine. I have a 4080 rog strix, 64gb of ram, i9 10900k. Everything as low as it will go will only give you 88 max frames In a online raid. Which only gets worse from there.
I mean yea, you should always get a lot of usage from your gpu and cpu the lower you go with settings the less usage your components get which gives you less performance, since your gpu or cpu doesn't get used fully.
@@exan6970 ok man.
@@nivonis393I think he explained it bad but i agree with him partially. I get better fps with texture on high than i do low and i think its because it pushes my gpu to about 80% instead of 50%. But i also agree with you ive never seen anyone get more than 144 fps and if they do its only for a split second
@mysticly7313 that is not the case with any properly coded game. There isn't a single other game I've played where you lose frames as the settings get turned down. This is not how it works guys.
I do kinda think. It's intentionally designed to limit FPS if you try to make the game ugly when you don't need to.
Which just sounds like something Nikita would do. A punishment for taking all the pretty stuff away he spent a lot of time making.
My first FPS game was the Original Wolfenstien 3d and the original Doom on windows 95. I was in college when Crysis came out. We were doing everything to try to make that game run back in 2007. I have a pretty comprehensive understanding of computer systems.
That shit busted yo
@@nivonis393 tons of games do that arma is a popular one the lower the settings it starts swapping things to be on the cpu instead of gpu tarkov is no different
Poor graphics code produces memory leaks. The “cleaner” should code the game better instead of periodically kill processes and pretend to do the job. What you look for really is a good C program instead of a piece of software.
Re-Bar destroys my fps.
PLZ turn of Nvidia Reflex I got 20% more frames by disabling. Thank me later.
a small tip, dont say "without further ado" and than make lots of further ado
Man this game is so broken look at this guy's pc specs and he just looked to the left and the game dropped fps
It rly is totally broken, hope the unity update and rewritten old code will fix smth in the future
Auto ram cleaner off, settings high shadows low hbao off fsr 2 on vsync on, chrome aberration off noise off lod 2 distance 1000, in amd adrenalin frame lock to 200 and most other settings off monitor refresh set to 240hz - 213fps in game, change gpu to quiet mode 120-160 fps depending on map and what's happening in game. Msi b450 tomahawk max II, amd 5600g, 64gb ram, amd rx6600 8gb gpu. With amd vsync has to be on in game settings to unlock fps🤷♂️
There's no way that's a live game, I have a 5800X3D and a 6900XT, that's nearly best in slot for tarkov with 32GBs of ram and I don't think I even hit 213 fps in factory
@@tiredpoison5784 it is live game but gpu fans go absolutely nuclear so I run it on those settings on quiet mode dont get as high fps, if I could post the pics in this comment I would, unless I can make a post on my channel page with them.....
@@tiredpoison5784 post on my channel on my average fps - like I said goes between 120 and 213 in game depending.
@@tiredpoison5784 also I run tarkov off an nvme drive if that matters
@@tiredpoison5784 my bad, I play at 1080p as well
I have a 1000 $ pc and cant even get 60 fps
because 1000$ is not even mid budget
i just upgraded from a 10600k to a 12600k it's a huge performance jump you actually need a good cpu to play this game smh.
A game that looks this terrible shouldn't perform this terrible even with a low end cpu
The games so fucked fr
frist
good non sence trashtalk
Ahh another click bait video, Turn this on, that on, ReBar uses ram for a reason, not sure why your all obsessed with using less ram, you show you have 0 knowledge of how the memory I/O system works,.
Tarkovs Issues are solely down to the Highley single threaded nature of the code base overall, when they move to Unity 2021, they will have a few more options available to them to spread the load, but all this nonsense with bios setting, installing 3rd party apps, is all just snake oil im afraid.
any nvidia GPU 3xxx and above should have ReBar enabled, what do you think happens, when its off an using less ram, loading stuff on the fly, ReBar using this ram is intended and dose so for BETTER performance,
You guys all have what 32gb ram and you want it sitting empty all the time?
Also, please do research on what a "memory leak" is....
In computer science, a memory leak is a type of resource leak that occurs when a computer program incorrectly manages memory allocations[1] in a way that memory which is no longer needed is not released. A memory leak may also happen when an object is stored in memory but cannot be accessed by the running code (i.e. unreachable memory).[2] A memory leak has symptoms similar to a number of other problems and generally can only be diagnosed by a programmer with access to the program's source code.
A related concept is the "space leak", which is when a program consumes excessive memory but does eventually release it.[3]
Windows manages the use of Ram that Tarkov uses as Tarkov is not DX12, the devs do not have direct access to this management as so is done in engine, and then by windows.
If tarkov had a memory leak when you x the program it would not release said ram back to system.
for real, ram exists for a reason, if they start cleaning the ram for no reason what do they think happens to the game assets? lol. if regular programs had access to tarkov ram, cheating would be exponentially higher also
I know they literally have 0 clue how the memory system works at all, constantly emptying it to reload all the assets that was already loaded at the start of the raid, kinda silly., @@itsnotmily
@@GamerChick92 then sir, explain to me why my performance drops if i dont restart the game after one raid
Did you by any chance see the chart where it says you’d need 20gb of ram to run the game flawlessly without dips
I have literally said all of the things you said here in the last two videos lol. ReBAR is intended for BETTER performance, but for some having it enabled on Tarkov (and without having it enabled through Nvidia Profile Inspector) can lead to people (such as myself) spilling over their VRAM limitations, pooling into system memory and causing stutters once that has to be swapped out (this is what you saw in the graph in regards to streets). Your memory leak definition is literally the one I discussed in my previous video and sure, its a "space leak" if you want to start getting technical with terms that the average user is going to need even more clarification on. We're on the same side here and we're all learning, but you don't need to lecture us.