Tarkov's NOT Using The VRAM/RAM It Says It Is. Here's Why (Allocation Vs. Actual Usage In EFT)
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- Опубліковано 7 лип 2024
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This is the first of likely several videos delving into this topic. Honestly, I am a little uneasy making this video due to the lack of information regarding this part of the MSI Afterburner tool (hopefully I do not make a fool of myself). But, if this information is correct, it gives us a window into figuring out what's really going on with how Tarkov allocates memory. Please do comment your thoughts and thank you so much for watching. :)
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Timestamps:
0:00 Intro (Allocation / "Usage" VS. Actual Usage)
1:01 Can I Even Trust This Data?
2:12 My Methods/Settings/Thinking
3:07 Allocation of VRAM.
4:16 VRAM Allocation Vs Usage.
6:22 Allocation of RAM.
8:10 RAM Allocation Vs Usage.
8:35 My Initial Conclusion: The Requirements Are Absurd.
9:45 A.R.C Is Likely Necessary For Some (Paging File Incident)
10:44 Caveats / Is This Worth Digging Into?
11:50 MIP Might Be A (Broken) Godsend.
12:23 The Sources On This Are.... Iffy.
12:48 What Do I Recommend To Help This And Whats Next?
13:35 This is just... odd.
14:15 Tell Me What You Think Below! (Outro)
Settings:
Resolution: 1440p
Screen: Borderless
Texture Quality: Medium
Shadows Quality: Low
Object LOD Quality: 3
Overall Visibility: 1500
Anti-aliasing: TAA High
Resampling: 1x off (duh)
DLSS/FSR 1.0/ FSR 2.1: Off
HBAO: Max Performance
SSR: Medium
Anisotropic Filtering: On
Nvidia Reflex: On
Sharpness: 0.9
MIP Streaming Off
Specs:
CPU: i5-13600k
GPU: EVGA RTX 3070 Ti FTW3 Ultra
RAM: 32GB (2x16GB) @ 3200mhz CL16
1 TB Samsung 980 Pro SDD
MOBO: MSI PRO Z690-A DDR4 ProSeries
PSU: Corsair RM 850x
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Just to summarize, here's the main message: MSI Afterburner's "usage / process" monitoring option showcases that Tarkov uses drastically less VRAM and RAM than it actually allocates for itself to use. There are multiple explanations for this that I can think of (and that I discuss in the video) but nonetheless it does occur on a disproportionate scale to other games I know of.
What do you guys think of these numbers? Should this be something that is more often discussed? I have not seen much discussion of it online and its often glossed over. Even if this painted me as an idiot, I had to bring up the numbers that I found with this and get your opinion.
Also, apologies for the weird flash at 9:30. I love when my editing software does silly tricks :))))))
As always, thanks for watching!
Klemintime doing the science we didn't know we needed! Thanks for your hard work!
Thank *YOU* for watching! I wasn't sure on making this video just because of my slight confusion on it, but I'm glad people are as intrigued as I am :)
Great start, I hope you're able to learn and expand the knowledge of the community when it comes to the optimization of EFT. Cheers!
Got a ways to go before that. This is OLLLLLDDD news.
BSG is a serious company
Good video man
well if you only have 8 gb vram you are already pretty limited on streets. also mip streaming causes like a 30-45 sec black screen after every raid if you haven't noticed. lower textures on street setting makes the game use only 1/2 the vram for me but will make the map look horrible. to me it looks like the game i scaling the vram/textures to fit the avaible vram/gpu, which is what you want for people who don't have super gpus. i think the only reason it stores shit on your ram is because you are limited on vram. tbh some people should be glad that they can even run streets as a map, because its big and people are still running it with 6gb gpu's, so the fact bsg made it possible for them to play is kinda crazy.. and weather it is worth using high or medium or low textures, depends on what resolution you play at. 4k textures are no joke.
I agree with you I am kinda shocked it runs on my machine but only just. 1080 card with 8gb vram, map would only run have the time with 16gb other half would crash until I upgraded to 32gb now it runs stable but slow. I recently got a 4k monitor and I run the game on 4k and low/off everything else. It's not even funny how much of a difference 4k makes for being able to see, and weirdly enough it doesn't hit my fps a ton. I am thinking you are right this game probably needs a ton of vram to store all the assets. Probably a big cache too. Mip streaming made my game look like shit and cost me like 15 frames. Same for downscaling. Nothing seems to help other than just minimum everything and take the hit to run 4k. My msi monitor has some "intelligent image enhancement" crap that seems to help visually though not with fps obviously.
I am sure you already are aware of this but have you compared to the date available in the in game overlay via command console "fps 3"? I noticed the other day it claimed about 5gb VRAM on streets(Low) which I found very hard to believe.
I was aware of that but I have not actually looked at it for this test. That's a good idea though, and I'll see if it falls in line with the numbers I collect.
Great vid. Please dont use red and orange and yellow in the same graph. It makes it hard to identify individual lines. ❤
Very true- sorry I didn't notice that. Sheets auto-assigned the colors and I didn't think twice 🤦♂
I would like to see this experiment done with a couple other games and see how tarkov compares
I've been looking at it and some games follow Tarkov's behavior while others stay much closer in terms of allocated vs actually used. Maybe I was digging to far into it, but still interesting to note nonetheless.
Why didn't you use the ingame Vram usage counter to compare to also? It seems to match up quite well to your actual usage numbers.
This is interesting....to say the least
7:00 Idk if you know this but it says "Lower" not "Low" so it should lower the texture resolution by one notch while playing Streets
All I know is that tarkovs vram usage is insane. I have a 4090 so I have 24G of vram to play with. Using HwInfo64 I can see that using high textures on streets will chow down 20G of that vram. I haven’t payed attention to my regular ram usage but I have 64G of that so I don’t have issues. But still, 20G vram….that’s bonkers
Are you playing in 4K?
That is actually nuts. I've had people come to me with 4090s and 7900 xtx's fully utilizing the VRAM buffer (24G) and then subsequentially overflowing. That's another reason why I feel like Tarkov is allocating so much that its hurting the players.
@@nivonis393nope 1440
@@klemintime1452holy crap I’ve not seen that happen for me. Wonder what’s causing that, unless they are at 4k
@@klemintime1452I use 4080 and it max my 16gb and 29 off system ram off 32
how about pairing this data with GPU busy data that intel software now provides? it could show if the GPU or CPU is busy waiting for frame because the textures are loading
Good idea. I just was doing some more looking around with this and I will use that as I monitor the other numbers and see. I know that the the GPU busy is considerably less than the frame-time total, but I'll see if that will give me any insight on if the CPU is waiting on something.
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Thank you for this Guide video. I have 6800 xt and ryzen 5 5600 and 32 gb ram in my system. When I set the texture quality to high, I get 15996 GB V-ram. How can I find a solution to this without setting the texture quality to medium settings?
i have such a terrible problem with this game i dont have that perfect of a gpu its 1660ti 6 gb but it merely uses what it suppose to use from it, we are speaking about 4 gb allocation with acutal usage of 2 gb its really annoying cause you gonna have to deal with the trash fps.
I feel as though this is a very important topic/discovery. BSG needs to know about this if they don't already. Tarkov will never reach it's full potential with issues like this .
I've noticed more games that do mimic the behavior of this (I.E Battlebit), but those are often less demanding and I am not sure of the ramifications of the data I found here yet. I'll be keeping a close eye on this as we go into next wipe to see if anything changes.
8GB VRAM 32GB RAM and a fast NVME i still struggle on big maps. turning on mipmap cause CTD or washed textures. what a 10 year old game, but ey its still in BETA 😅
At this point I honestly can't tell what the Tarkov does to systems. Results are so inconsistent, I talked to people with beasty rigs like 4090s, 64 gigs fastest ddr5, top cpu galore and they have more fps than I have obviously but they have stutters. Meanwhile I play at 3440x1440p on high textures(with a bit of SSR and HBAO) on my good ol' reliable 1080ti, with i5 13600 and 32gigs of fast ddr 4 and on streets I have 70-80fps, dips to 50 when scoping in. Thing is my FPS is overall lower than most of the people, especially considering resolution I play at but I have absolutely zero stutters in this game. None whatsoever. Edit. No mip streaming, no fsr.
I have a 1660 i5 and 16gb of ram on 60fov stretched res with all my settings set for performance and sometimes my game stutters so bad that calling it a slideshow would be an understatement
Its mainly because Tarkov and PC builds are likewise inconsistent. A whole HOST of differences between builds are present. That combined with how performance can vary from raid to raid makes it really, really hard to get like-for-like data to compare FPS. (Also, there could be some scheduling issues for intel 12-14th in terms of P and E-cores too- literally the options for difference are endless). Makes doing what I do very touchy but still (hopefully) needed.
Thats because results are as consistent as the people doing the tests. Not everyone uses the same settings not everyone knows how to unlock frame rate past 144, Not everyone knows how to properly use Nvidia control panel.
it all depends if you are gpu bound or cpu bound and resolution. unlocked fps doesn't really matter and not that many get 144 on streets anyways lol. and almost every tarkov video on youtube about graphics tells about nvidia settings and how to unlock fps lol. none issue.
All I know is I was playing Lighthouse and Shoreline with High Textures with a 3060ti 8gb/32gb RAM my PC literally blue screened on me so I needed to find out why and how 😂 thank you
I have a 1080 with 32gb ddr3 and probably a slower cpu and can still run those on 4k high textures low or turned off everything else around 30-40 frames, maybe with drops in the 25 range, but it never bluescreened, when I had 16gb I couldn't play streets bc it would crash on loading but not blue screen, I think that may be something wrong with your pc
could be faulty ram stick
for me streets never shows usage over 50% for ram and vram so it leads to 30fps kinda annoying i contacted bsg at the start of the wipe and they basically told me theres no cause its just doing it.
LMAO really hit the "it is what it is" mentality on the head there. Did you see any different stats with what I showed in the video?
thanks for the flash bang warning ⚠ ⚠
Why would you even have a setting for automatic ram cleaning. It should just do that.
The main reason they are struggling with that is because clearing out too much of that RAM at a time can introduce major stutters to your gameplay. Nikita (I believe he said this, either him or BSG) said that A.R.C was hard to implement due to this, hence why it mainly clears when you open the menu with A.R.C enabled. Its a mess.
@@klemintime1452 it doesn't have to clear all of it.
Bc ram cleaning isn't just a magical extra fps button, the game is storing assets in ram for a reason, it's bc you're probably likely to see those assets again and that's why you don't get pop in and shit like that. Ram cleaner literally does nothing for me I get a massive attack of stutters and fps drop then after 30 seconds to a minute it will go back to normal and refill the ram back up again. That is using both ARC setting or john koshy ram cleaner. The game just has a shit ton of assets, theres nothing you can do about it, maybe there's some ai tech in the future that can be leveraged to manage the assets more intelligently, in fact I think nvidia is working on something like that, but if you can afford newer nvidia cards you probably aren't struggling for frames.
yeah the data seems to be exactly what i experience. 3080 with 12 gb VRAM here, 32 gb ddr5, 7800x3d. I bought this pc just because of tarkov and now i dont even play it that much because no matter how nasa pc you have, streets will still stutter on high textures lol.
this is a shit game bro, we need to change game and the problem..
why do you have it on high textures if you only have a gpu with 12 gb? do you play 1080p?
@@NulJern yes.. play in 1080p and i have a rtx with 12gb vram..
@@emanuelepedace532 ok, well i play on high textures too but i don't have stutters. Do you use fullscreen mode or windowed fullscreen? If you up your resolution you might get more frames, since the lower the res, the more cpu bound your game is.
So streets right now is a very good way to kill your SSD.
SSD Health Checkup Fail Speedrun attempt #45
Disasturbate? New meme of Tarkov.
Absolutely fumbled that word lmao
Recall that Modern Warfare was made in two years with 2003 era tools. Consider the efficiency of 2020 tools and think of how many modern warfares could be produced by a BSG size team within current EFT development time.
dear guys, I'm another geek, because a game has to go as I say or I won't play it. I spent whole nights trying to understand what the cause was, but when I realized what was said in this video, I resigned myself and changed my game. the problem is not our PCs, but the Tarkov programmers who will all be kids with no experience and Nikita who until yesterday played the flute. all the money they earned on this game was invested in something else, another game "Russia 2028".. so if you want to solve the problem.. change the game! Good things everyone, and stop believing in tarkov because it doesn't work and will never work.
I read all of this and now I’m filled with regret. It’s amazing how someone can use so many words and make absolutely no sense whatsoever
Tldr you're still playing tarkov while making the crying wojak face 😂
I just assumed they're using everyone to mine crypto... change my mind.
The classic conspiracy- back to 2021 we go
I bet bsg are using peoples pc to bit coin mining
Bro... Dont scare me
IVE ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT!
@@benjaminlandrum4942 me too
ive been joking about that for a long time. somethings smells funny.
It wouldn't surprise me if in the future we found out BSG was cryptojacking through EFT 😅🤣
more ram for the b!tc0in miner
there are worms in your computer and they are taking your ram
@@Bestie_Brady Ohh NO MUH GIGGABIZZLESZ
Offline scav raids aren’t a thing… wtf are you on about?
I stumbled over my words most likely- it was all *online* and tested with Streets Scavs during night time raids. Sorry about that
Tarkovs devs are incredibly good and incredibly bad lol.. The fact that Tarkov even runs as well as it does is beyond amazing but the fact it's truly as bad as it is is disgusting..
I cannot wait for the next couple of years when extraction shooters start popping up and we can all finally get the game we want to / deserve to play.
Are you out of your mind? It does not run well. One of the most unoptimized games I've ever played. In no world should a game be using 32 gb of ram.
@@Jacket01 read my comment man.. I didn't say it ran well.. I said it was held together well.. The fact that we can even load this game up and pvp is insane with how speghetti mess it must be.
There's no other game like this bc tarkov is like trying to run your hyper modded janky skyrim install online with 16 other players. There's a reason similar games like warzone or dayz or fallout 76 all have either bad graphics or minimalistic ui and textures, even warzone doesn't have all the little trash bits and stuff and you can't examine items, it's just a text entry in your inventory. Even games like warzone aren't rendering every individual bullet in every individual mag in every individual mag pouch like tarkov does, you just get an ammo counter with infinite mags. I think if this game survives long enough what they need to do is add an optional "potato mode" where a bunch of those assets are removed from in raid. I don't really need to be able examine every individual pixel on some scuffed makarov I got off a dead scav, etc. I mean hell they could even do janky bandaid stuff like make it display a wire frame model. It would still free up a lot of resources in raid.