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I have a RX 7700 XT & I5-14400F, 2x16GB RAM DDR5, 1 TB SSD nvme 2.0 corsair, and the AGL850 PCIE power support in my pc, how does it compare to a PS5 & PS5 Pro?
u cant compare something that is not out yet all are happy with ps5 pro except some pc nerds and xbots pc gaming is pain in the ess with all the crashes and fixes and most annoying if those pc hackers and cheaters and is 3 times more expansive then what pro is and even then u will have to keep getting new cpu gpu to keep it up
i have a better idea for u to get more likes on your video without talking nonsense to build a pc without usb c / windows OS /hdmi cables /controllers /wifi 7 /motherboard that dont support gen 4 gpus no keyboard & mouse and pc desk all these things need to play on pc so MY idea is how about making a video for all the pc gamers who still playing on 1080 and 1660 and 2070/2080 gpu pc and below PCs and those who dont want to waste 10000s of cash to get latest gpu every 2-3 years and why they should be getting ps5 pro instead of building over expansive pc ? if they only game but if they do other things with pc then its a different story
@@irsshill4502It's not even that , I think a 3060 ti is 16.2 tflops which should be about what PS5 PRO actually is when you cut its 33tflops in half down to real world performance.
@@mutha_fnmikey2325 I find it funny that you call 4080 or 4090 as "true 4K gaming cards" when Nvidia is pushing technologies to render in a lower resolution to upscale it to 4K. It is the same thing what PS5 Pro will be doing but in lower FPS against the compared 1000-2000€ cards
I dont really know what you are trying to say, ofcourse console has similarities to pc. Consoles are just watered down pc's. Upscaling has existed for way longer than you think the Xbox one would upscale 1440p to 4k if you wanted that "4k" experience.
Not having ownership of my PC games is what causes me to buy all the new big AAA games on PS5. I solved the subscription problem by not paying for it. I wish I could have ownership though, I'd buy all my games on PC (which I still have).
@@AgagaSnsns There are very few games on modern consoles that are contained 100% on disc. You still have to download and install additional content for most games. That means the disc is just a proof of purchase and not the whole game.
@@AgagaSnsns brother u can get everything for free and own it permanently if you want to in pc , dont even try to say ps5 is better. and the fact that u miss out on countless pc games on ps5 , while u can still run most of the ps5 exclusive games on pc and imaging having to pay to play a game online that you already spent 60$ on , the only reason why i moved on from consoles.
As an owner of a PC and PS5 i feel like there is a good portion of people who should just by a used PS5. Alot of folks just play 2 or 3 of the same games because thats all they have time for .99% of big games that release will be on the PS5 .
Here in the UK, the disc drive costs £100 and the vertical stand is £25. Total of £825 (about $1,083) just for the console! Then there's the PS+ cost which is £60/year for essential, £100 for extra or £120 for premium. And there's also the fact that new games cost £70. Depending on which PS+ tier you go for, you could be talking £1,000 ($1,300) FOR A CONSOLE! At that point you may as well just put that money towards a new PC. I'll just stick with my base PS5 and my 4070 PC.
@@dahnleycabreros4151but we can't throw it away in our calculations either. Cloud saves and online gaming are important to many people so Sony squeeze an extra penny for that too.
@@dahnleycabreros4151 So does ps4, and it works fine not paying for ps+ lol. What's unfair about it? Not like anyone keeps people from buying computers, most places in the world. 😂
Dangerously close to an equally powerfull 1000$ USD PC. Except with paid online, no mods, no steam sales, no emulation, no productivity tools and fixed 60fps.
A lot of games at 30fps only? On PlayStation? That's a reach. You can count them in one hand.@@ErockOnTech Also, there are 120fps games on PS5. Rocket League, fortnite, COD, R6 and etc
@@ErockOnTechthe Quarry, Gotham knights, industria (never heard of it) and "the casting of Frank Stone. That's not "A Lot" there's not even a single "must play" here. If you look at PlayStation first party games, you get the base 40fps mode for full quality (4k+RT) but you always get a performance mode, sometimes even with RT (spiderman) and 1440p.
@@Segundachanceemgames Or hear me out...just buy a PC and not have to worry about 30-40fps games lol. Also, PS5 games aren't the only games on the market. there's xbox and nintendo as well. Last time I checked, a PC can run all of their games too. It would be like having 3 current gen consoles in one on top of better performance. There's no competition here lol
@ErockOnTech, my PC specs are: Ryzen 7800X3D Radeon RX 7900 XTX 32GB - 6000Mhz DDR5 RAM 850 PSU What is the comparison to the PS5 Pro? Maybe I will miss out on AI upscaling because it will be limited to Radeon RX 8000 GPU's with FSR 4.0 but overall it will be way faster in comparison to the PS5 Pro. So in that case i"m i'll hope my pc will last until when the PS6 comes out
Wow, $860 USD, that's quite a lot. Here in Australia, the PS5 Pro plus stand (sold out here), and disc drive (also sold out here), would be a bout $1350 AUD or $905 USD, keeping in mind, our prices include all taxes. However, I'd suggest, Sony knows, similarly to Apple and Nvidia, people will be happy to pay those prices for the latest and greatest, so whilst they may not be aiming at the average gamer, I'd suggest they're aiming at the enthusiast FOMO type of game.
So many people are saying “you don’t need a blue ray drive or the stand. This isn’t a fair comparison.” But your comment proves otherwise. If no one needs it, then why has it sold out in your country? This confirms my statements regarding the price point. Thank you.
great breakdown! thanks for this video it kinda helps in giving clarity to a lot of people trying to make the decision of whether getting the ps5 pro or getting/staying with PC
it likely depends on title. the cpu that has good price to performance balance with a partner gpu will often be limited by the gpu, even at 1080p. if they have been keeping games capped at 30 and 60 fps, then it is unknown how limiting the cpu ever will be, since the utilization of all hardware will be lower. if for example the gpu is pegged at 100% then the cpu could be running at 60% utilization. by upgrading the gpu, the cpu would be able to stretch out a bit more, it may actually get pushed to 90%.
It depends on the developer......they said they can push some cpu work to gpu and Ober clock it, but we won't know till we get games.....but Sony makes good shit, idk why ppl are jumping out the windows.
I get the Pro will be compared to different PC hardware. But I really think it’s incorrect to compare a Custom AMD APU to a discrete Nvidia GPU. The APU is custom, it can never really be one to one. Hope your doing well, always great content
It doesn't have to be one to one. Why should it be one to one? That being said while 7700XT might indeed be like PS5 Pro in rasterisation , I feel the Raytracing capabilities of PS5 Pro could be like 7800XT or better. If it's indeed up to 3x , that smells like 7900XT territory, but I could be wrong. Regular PS5 is somewhere around 6650XT-6700 in Raster. Not sure about RT, but I doubt 7700XT is 300% stronger in RT than regular PS5 .
@@devilsnightgaming kinda, think of it as an SOC - system on Chip. The CPU and GPU are on the same foundation(die). I call it Custom APU bc it’s not available to purchase independently.
@@Kapono5150 Accelerated Processing Unit (APU) is CPU and GPU in the same chip. To my understanding the pro has both a gpu and cpu built into the PCB like a laptop, not in the same chip. Is this wrong?
Whats great about pc is seamless upscaling on steam where it just puts in frame gen onto any game ever so you get 120 fps when you can only run 60 fps.
I love consoles and I love PCs.. and I've been building PCs since the 90s and always have fun doing so. I remember magazines declaring "PC gaming is dead" several times over the decades and it just keeps on keeping on. One of the best things about PCs is just how scalable and customizable it is. There's a PC for every budget out there. My motherboard /CPU on my main gaming PC is over 12 years old now but still performs great(Intel i7 Skylake). I've upgraded the GPU about 4-5 times now and each time it felt like I bought a new console equivalent.
so you know how easy it has become.... everyone talks like building a pc is just putting all of the parts together..... most build this 500 dollar pc vids don't include the price of an OS. just put the parts together and 'it just works'. no driver installs, no bios updates, no trouble shooting....
@@caliginousmoira8565 Yeah, all those are important things to consider, which is why I said that love both consoles and PCs. The plug and play nature of consoles is a massive plus.. however, I'm very used to tinkering and I enjoy setting up and tuning the PC experience which not everyone is going to be comfortable with. The OS can be obtained really cheap on various OEM cd key stores legally for less than $20 bucks. If you play a lot of games online, you can't beat the fact that you don't have to pay for that service like you do with Xbox Live and PSPlus
From a PC enthusiast perspective, I really don't understand much why it is a big deal. For me PS5 pro is a "optional" upgrade and PS5 also exist for those who don't want to spend more. Can anyone from the Console community give their perspective and a detailed points why it's not good? I'm just curious.
People just like to complain. Sony is giving us exactly what we asked for. The same great image quality that we were getting at 30 fps but now with double the frames. I’m not sure why people thought that would be cheap. But you said it perfectly. It’s optional. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy the Pro. Buy the regular one if you don’t care enough about the upgraded performance. It’s not being discontinued.
They're just crying cause they can't afford it , they want Sony give them the last tech available on console for 50 bucks more, these people are seriously stupid. I ain't buying the PS5 PRO cause I already have a standar PS5 ,Sony ain't putting a gun on my head to buy their products , people thinking that PC is "cheaper" have 2 braincells digging for 3rd place in their head.
Yea I think people just like to complain honestly. lol But this does show where prices are heading with consumer electronics. Consoles used to hold a good value proposition at one time but now that we know how much a PS5 pro is, its not so much the case anymore. When you look at the price of the console, plus a disk drive, one game, etc, your hitting the thousand dollar and beyond mark and thats no even including the subscription you need to pay on top of that so you can play online. I can find used gaming PC.s on market place in my area with 3 series and 4 series GPU,s for the same amount, or even cheaper. In my opinion, its better to wait and getting second hand or find a used standard edition model if you want to go the console route.
The Pro will be using Pssr and Frame Gen to even try and reach the 60fps mark. and anyone who knows how frame gen works would know, that it does not work well with low initial frames. You need good high frames to start with. DLSS is proven with years of use and updates and PSSR is not. PlayStation has allot to prove for the 700 dollars they are asking. This is not a 200 dollars upgrade you are paying 700 for PSSR and Frame Gen. Are the upgrades worth 700 dollars, more than likely not. Not to mention the untouched CPU (The Bottleneck)
Ur a moron, pc pplnhave said you can get 120 fps on pro and Sony themselves said u can do 8k on gt7..... 4k60 is standard for Sony games, 3rd party devs ca take advantage how every they want.IF they want, but that's not diff than any other game..
The Zen 2 CPU is not really a bottleneck. That CPU is still really good. And people forget that Sony and MS built a lot of custom hardware that offset and handled a lot of extra
Pretty sure it was confirmed that the PS5 pro uses RDNA3, so I don't think you are correct about the 6800 being used. It's a hybrid generation GPU as the raytracing is RDNA4 tech. We'll know for sure in November, but it's probably just shy of 7800 xt performance but with a few extra tricks.
Nice coverage on this topic. Was wondering why everyone says you cant possibly make a pc for that price point but then again most people aren't the most technical. Heres another build I just quickly made that should match it pretty well too, if not surpass it cause of gpu tweaking with adrenaline. Its X4zywg on pc part picker with all new parts, a more updated cpu, and even 32gb of ram. Sony flew too close to the sun on this one in terms of raw value. Now if this was a 600 dollar console, it would for sure be hard to beat.
@@ErockOnTechhere's the list in plain text in case that link is still messed up: CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600 3.5 GHz 6-Core Processor - $114.81 (Amazon) Motherboard: Asus PRIME B550M-A WIFI II Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard $99.99 (Amazon) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory $53.99 (Amazon) Storage: Kingston NV2 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive $56.99 (Amazon) Video Card: ASRock Challenger OC Radeon RX 7700 XT 12 GB Video Card $389.99 (Amazon) Case: Fractal Design Pop Air ATX Mid Tower Case $58.98 (Newegg) Power Supply: MSI MAG A550BN 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply $58.99 (Amazon) Total: $833.74 This is very close if you factor in a disc drive, which consoles really do need for the used game market, (otherwise its only the sony store and thats it. They dont even really sell keys like that anymore there either :/) and one year of ps plus.
Not sure if it would matter some of my console friends are shy of pc cause of physical size of it and console is plug-n-play into your TV and its easer for them
I build a gaming pc in 2019 knowing i wasn't going to get one but out of luck now i have a ps5 and a pc i play both but moving forward. Not going to stay a with system anymore.... i at point ill be building my 3dr pc am5 windows 11 Ryzen hopefully a batter RTX card
Laptop is easy to use, you can bring it everywhere, games are super cheap like a couple of dollars during steam sale, supports controller, and you need one anyway for work/school/entertainment.
I have just switch to PC a friend that builds PC´s have build a Ryzen 7 - 5700X , Ram 16 Gb´s SSD 512 Gb , RTX 4060 i have also buy a External SSD 1 Tb . It have cost 860 euros and 100 euros the external 960 euros + a Xbox Pc controller because i can´t play with mouse and keyboard ( yet ) 1060 euros . The Ps 5 Pro in the country that i live with disc drive and stand will cost about 1050 euros . And of course the difference from my Ps5 to my Pc it´s out of this world . Mod´s , free online , more games that play and look so much better and they are also cheaper on steam . Definitely value for money and if we consider that the Ps6 that will come in about 3-4 years will not cost cheaper form the Ps5 Pro Pc it´s the only way form now on . Of course i don´t know much about Pc tech yet but learning it´s also fun .
I fucking love the honesty with your channel sponsor 😂. Legit UA-camr right here! We all got bills to pay no hate. FWIW I built a $1,600 Intel PC last year. I’ve been victim to the instability issues of my i14700k, and driver/software issues of my ARC A770. It was brutal, after about a month of issue free gaming no regrets. That said, my PS5 is rock solid, no issues. Granted, I could have made a more cost effective PC build that was less cool looking, with more performance, for about $1,300. So basically, unless you’re willing to drop 2x the price for a PC, console is the way to go. But yeah, If you can afford to build a $1,500 PC, don’t mind trouble shooting, and really want that extra 15-20% FPS/Graphics quality upgrade, then go for it. If $2,000-$3,000 isn’t a lot of money to you, then PC no question.
So you built a rig that had a chip with known issues, and console is better because of it? Your only advantage in console, and I mean only, is the fact so many people think, like you, that you have troubleshoot PC all the time, so they buy consoles. No hate, but that's because you picked a bad cpu, and a gpu in development. You'd have been fine if you built an AMD platform, and it would have cost you less. When you say "built", do you mean selected from drop down menus on an SI's site? On no continent do you have to spend 1500 USD to build a computer capable of beating this Zen 2 bottlenecked, 30fps locked, microtransaction laden pocket emptyer. You don't even have to spend 700$ if you buy used, you can find plenty of rigs that stomp this thing's specs! Your gpu/cpu combo cost 900$ at peak, you spent another 700$ on the platform... to have it fail... it's okay to make mistakes man, but don't cry about getting roasted on cross platform play by kids on GTX1060 cards with 1080p screens with that PS5. They're better prepared for it than you'll be, simply on controller latency alone... never mind proper ports not broken by PSN. 15-20% better graphical fidelity? Lol... this makes me wonder if you've ever actually used a good pc, on a good monitor. There's no comparing the two... it's fine if you like Sony, M$, Nintendo... whatever, just stop trying to tell people who can play better quality versions of everything consoles do, in one place, that these crapboxes are better in any way. Consoles are the iPhones of gaming, made for people with no patience, or interest in dealing with computers. Again no hate, it just is what it is.
@@x8jason8x Look kid, I’ve been PC/Console gaming since Atari 2600 and Commodore 64. I’ve had top of the line gaming PC’s and almost every console imaginable. My uncle thought me how to build PC’s he’s an engineer who served as a technician on a nuclear submarine. Hardware issue are a fact of life no matter what brand your a fan of. At the time AMD was having issues with their memory controllers being fried by bad BIOS firmware. Intel 14th gen was essentially the same as the very stable 13th gen. Things change fast in technology. The issues are resolved and I do enjoy my PC. But you do need to step up to about a 4070 or 7800xt for an appreciable difference besides frame rate. I only play single player games on my PC so as long as I get a solid 60fps at 1440p ultra wide I’m good. As for multiplayer it’s PS5, cross play turned off. Script kitty’s and their hack subscriptions make multiplayer almost pointless. I get the feeling you finally got yourself a rig and just can’t wait to act like it makes you superior in some comments section. Nobody’s crying here, I enjoy my PC and Consoles for different reasons. Touch some grass and have a great day my dude.
@@richardbixler Whoops! Nothing you said means anything, you're making it clear that you have no argument, and despite the fact I said I wasn't hating on you, you just had to cry. You're projecting like a drive in grandpa, go take your metamucil, it's 4:00pm, time for your nap!
I wonder what ps6 is going to cost. Is it going to be like 800 usd because ps5 pro is already 700? And thats without disc drive mind you and keep in mind another reason some people prefer consoles over pcs is physical copies of games. With time they are getting less and less benefits over pcs. Back in the day consoles benefits over pc were: a lot of exclusive games, much cheaper, physical discs that you could just pop in to console and play straight away without needing to install or download anything. Now you have to install and patch games even when you have physical copies which are slowly going away even on consoles, there are barely any console exclusives anymore and now with the ps5 pro price it seems like the price of consoles will eventually be almost close to a price of a pc. So at this point I dont even see a point in console since they dont even have benefits over pcs they used to have anymore.
@@ErockOnTech Yeah well even then everything I said still stands. 700 is getting close to a price of a pc. Youll probably still pay slightly more for a pc with equivalent specs but if we factor in that you have to pay for playing games online and console games are typically more expensive that alone will even out the price in the long run.
Disc drive is essential because you will save more money buying used games than the disc drive costs . Digital doesn’t work on console because on ps6 most likely your ps5 games won’t transfer over , on Pc it works bedcause your steam account is more stable
Its 60CU of RDNA3 but its downclocked 11%(250mhz) compared to the 7800XT, on the flip side RT is supposed to be significantly improvement, IMO i would welcome the tradeoff.
There's so many ways to get a very capable PC for well under that. Even a 1080p PC experience gives you more control over your gameplay than any console out there.
@@x8jason8x I agree that there are better options if you mostly care about performance, but an idiot proof plug and play console like experience right out of the box is what Handheld PCs do. Prebuilts, mini PCs, or building it yourself all require setup and are not as idiot proof.
I built a Sabertooth X99 years ago, maxed it out and threw in a 3090TI thats gotten me through multiple consoles gens. This is probably going to be my last go with consoles. I have a backlog that will keep me busy until I die.
A couple of things that you should've added to your video. 1. Consoles, including PS5, already use FSR. Although I believe most people think that FSR is far inferior to XeSS or DLSS due to those two using hardware acceleration. This is speculation but, PSSR uses hardware accelerated AI upscaling. PSSR may be used with FSR frame generation. 2. I don't believe that you made it clear, in the PS5 Pro video, they were comparing PS5 gameplay at 30fps to PS5 Pro gameplay at 60fps. The entire point of the PS5 Pro video was to say that you can get great console graphics at 60fps. Taking away the fidelity vs performance choice/problem on consoles.
For purely gaming, people would upgrade to a ps5 pro for the same reason someone would upgrade to a gaming pc. Better gaming performance, that’s it. Game exclusives, software and additional hardware capabilities is more preference based. The real question is if you want better gaming performance, how much will you prioritize performance over costs A ps5 pro with both accessories is $810. You are paying $110 for accessories, but the console also comes with an additional 1TB of storage which normally costs $100 for the ps5 which already helps offset the cost of the accessories. All of this with the additional benefit of being able to play every game you already own, digitally or physically. Moving over to the pc side, assuming you’re looking for more of a value mid-range option. You’re looking to pay $1100-$1300 for similar or slightly better performance than a ps5 pro. You are paying a price premium to have flexibility of being able to use windows software, more software, and hardware related features not on the ps5 pro. No games you owned on console will transfer to pc, you will have to repurchase any game you’ve previously owned and only digitally Assuming the ps5 pro actually offers better visual performance or higher fps in games. I can’t see for the life of me how the ps5 pro is a bad deal, unless you are already happy with the performance you currently have. The ps5 pro just like a mid-range pc are meant to provide a 1440p 120fps or a 4k 60fps experience. If we’re somehow wishing the ps5 pro to be cheaper when it provides that level of performance and convenience then I don’t what good value is
Kind of off-topic, but I don’t know why tech companies do this to them selfs. When the Quest 3 released with its new chip set it was released with no new games or even tech demo that took advantage of the new hardware as a result, a lot of people did not upgrade. It did release with a bunch of other feature, so not apples to apples, but as a result, I think it definitely hurt sales
It did include a very fun mixed reality game called First Encounters which blew my mind when the first little spaceship landed on my sofa and aliens hid beneath furniture.
@@taptoplayde it did and that’s kind of the point it came with a demo to demonstrate the new mixed reality, but didn’t come with anything to demonstrate the new chip set. I thought it was definitely worth the upgrade, but you’d be surprised how many people own a Quest and have no idea what the GPU or CPU is.
I have to say that upscalers on consoles is not something new, even right now on base PS5 and Xbox Series FSR is being used on multiple games. Prior to FSR existence PS4 had checkerboarding and dev studios had their own upscalers like Insomniac's temporal injection. Pretty sure upscalers were also used during PS3 to bring games to 720/1080p, but all these console upscalers were and are software. What's new to PS5 Pro is custom dedicated hardware for PSSR which even Mark Cerny mentions in the presentation so similar to DLSS (we'll have to see how the quality is but DLSS got better over time too). Same goes for frame gen. Right now on base PS5 Black Myth Wukong uses frame gen on the performance mode. Other than that great video btw.
The GPU is somewhere in between RDNA 3 and 4. It looks like a downclocked 7800xt. The PS5 Pro is supposedly a 32 teraflop console while the 7800XT is 37 teraflops.
I think the CPU situation is bizarre, the exact same CPU that is running 10% faster and that is still slower/same than the Rysen 4400 out of the box in 2019.
For those that say why not just get a PC, well I have a good PC (CPU) for work stuff and I can just upgrade the GPU and I should be set. But, I'm an adult with kid and at my current age, I like doing work stuff in my home office (not anywhere near my 65" TV but I do use a 42" 4K screen) and play stuff in my living room or bedroom. This PS5 Pro will replace my launch day PS5 in the living room and my OG unit will go to my bedroom attached to another 65" TV. One thing that playing on a couch in front of a big TV that you can't get playing with a PC at a desk is family spectating and couch coop. Yes, you can have a PC attached to a big screen in a living room but not all of us want to go with the logistics involved (in my case) and the hell am I going to be tech support for family when they want to play and I'm working. Another thing about PC vs PS5 Pro, I'm a patient man with games but when it is a game /franchise I really like, I ain't waiting 1-2 years for it to show up on PC. For the next Xbox though, that is another matter. I have both XSX (living room) and XSS (bedroom) and because of the existence of PC GamePass, maybe a new GPU in 2027/2028 will make more sense than the XSX replacement.
Idk why YT absolutely ethered my response to you, but that's weird, because I didn't say anything even remotely rude. LOL! Anyway I reject your argument, on the basis that I am responding to you on my wife's rig, which is sat on the couch @ a 70" Vizio M705. Lmao! We also have the benefit of all of our media being network available, so we just have a rig at every TV, we don't have to use thumbdrives just to move media across the house. Wireless peripherals, and it's all set! It's a 5600x/3080 combo, and it will absolutely shred any console, including the PS5 and Pro. She's never had an issue with anything, including local multiplayer, splitscreen, plus has the added benefit of being able to run any video game we own, from any era or console. Yes, _that specifically_ can sometimes take some effort, but google is easy.
Its pretty clear they didnt want to make base PS5 look too bad in that presentation 😃 thats the big seller afterall and Sonys own games happen to be ones that already look great on base console. There will be many 3rd party games that will have huge improvements in image quality. Why didnt they mention PSSR applies to all existing games that are under 4k resolution i will never know . Anyways i have to say its not so black and white overall.. there is absolutely huge audience out there who will never want to or care to build a pc that cant be understated. Also as a "livingroom" box console is just so much more convinient than PC . I know you stated your mindset which is cool but there are soooo many people out there who only see their perspective and completely fail to understand not everyone thinks like them 😁
Base ps5 with 2 tbs of storage for years was 600 dollars and in a better gpu and boosted cpu it’s easy to see how they got to 700 they could have released a 1tb model for 600 if it had a disc drive
honestly the price is not that bad despite of what youtubers says, if you consider how much pc parts cost now. I think sony got tired of selling ps5 on a lost and now they want to break even.
@ErockOnTech Well my friend this is a common topic between gamers, even developers at Microsoft and Sony talked about this, they sell their consoles systems on a lost profit, they make profit on their own store front, Gabe newell talk about this with the steam deck. Look at the cost of pc parts now and Look to what happened to the microchips. Sadly console gamers think that Sony and Microsoft are their friends.
People said ps4pro and Xbox one x were a refresh but to me that was basically the 9th generation bc we went from 1080p gaming sometimes in only 30 fps to 4k ill be it upscale heavily but it was a way bigger jump from og Xbox n ps4 to those then the ps4pro n one x to this this generation
I also used to hate to game on PC. In the past PC games were buggy and you could not use an Xbox controller. From the PS4 era PC games are stable and you can use an Xbox controller. Now I like to play games on PC. After Sony announced the PS5 pro I have to accept console gaming no longer affordable anymore. It is sad to think that the PS4 is my last game console. I'm going to build a gaming PC in the future when my video card is too outdated to play games anymore.
It’ll be capable of that for sure. The question is what will the developers give us? Will there be a fidelity model? A performance mode? A hybrid? So many questions.
@@ErockOnTech facts. Don't get me wrong I am going to get the pro only because when it comes to upgrading your technology I can only afford it by upgrading my consoles. Upgrading your console every 4 years is not as bad as getting the new iPhone or galaxy phone every single year like some people do. Also I got some friends who willing to buy my current ps5 from me for $350 and that's half the price for the pro right there.
@@ErockOnTech I mean it depends on the game lol also some games have frame gen on the ps5 also there is nothing exclusive about it just depends on the devs. Also the ps5 pro gpu is based on a mix of rdna3 and rdna4 so it’s definitely stronger then a 6800 maybe not in raw rasterization because of the lower clock speeds but in ray tracing it’s probably going to be a lot stronger. Also spider-man, ratchet, hogwarts legacy, Jedi survive, etc all those games and more have ray tracing on the regular ps5 also and in 60fps modes it’s not something pc has had exclusively, spiderman has had it since 2020 on ps5 and ray tracing started with touring in 2018 and those first 2 years had virtually no games with it. I’m a pc gamer to but if your gonna make claims in either direction don’t purposely downplay the other platform with misinformation, chances are the PlayStation upscale will be superior to FSR since it’s machine learning based like dlss and xess but we will see at launch
Getting a Radeon 8000 Series GPU budget next year which won't have a weakling CPU like the PS5 Pro. That's the problem with the PS4 Pro and upcoming PS5 Pro.
I am getting it wish we got higher fps 144 or 165. Son has a gaming pc and I got his graphics card just that one part cost more than the ps5 pro. I am ok with the price.
As a pc enthusiast, I’ll likely only get it for it’s technical capabilities for comparison to see how far tech has come. Most are casual plug n play users, but us PC gamers are built different
Hello I'm a PC enthusiastic person but I still play on my PlayStation 5, I have a gaming PC 4060 TI 16gb 14700ks. Before I have buy the PS4 I was a PC player, and my last PC was not Bad for the time I have build it GTX580 Matrix Platinum end a phenom AMD Phenom II X6 1090T. But I still love play on console you have less problem with cheaters, yes I hated you can't Setup all settings in your games like a PC. But many other things are important, for me is important a good audio have in front of my a 55" Samsung qd-oled and sitting on a big nice couch or any other position I want to be on my couch wenn i play games. And when I want I can play on my TV with my PC.🤷♂️
Good analysis Erock. I think you pretty much nailed it. A lot of PlayStation titles have come to Steam already, but of the good ones are still missing, like the Team Ico titles, Demon's Souls and of course Bloodborne. In under a year Bloodborne will run glitch free, with texture packs, lighting mods, unlocked framerate and so on, in emulators on PC. Something the PS5 Pro will never do. So they should look into that 10 year anniversary PS5/PC port soon 😁 The PS5 Pro is a terrible mid-gen refresh. An extra $300 for a higher performance PS5 digital version minus the stand is awful value. But hey, not my problem, I would never buy a PlayStation anything. The PS5 Pro die will most likely have 60 RDNA4-ish CUs, but some will be disabled for yields, leaving 56 or 54 CUs for use. Now the PS5 Pro die will have most of the same cutbacks and limitations the PS5 die has; - It will be heavily power limited to 250 Watts for the whole system, not just the GPU portion. PC parts nuke consoles, including PS5 Pro. - The GPU will not have L3 cache just like regular PS5. The 576 GB/s bandwidth in the PS5 Pro will help a lot here, but native 4K? Mostly not. - The GPU will have a clock speed of 2.2 GHz, so even a future "RX 8700 XT" with 54 CUs will have L3 cache and over 800 MHz on the PS5 Pro. - The CPU will have a slight clock speed bump to 3.8 GHz, but it's still a cutdown and power limited laptop Zen2, so not that fast. - The CPU is also the reason for a lot of 30 FPS games in the future on consoles, including the PS5 Pro, game logic is a CPU task. - GPUs do no work without a CPU telling them what to do. Slow CPU = low framerates. - Upscaling algorithm PSSR to fill in pixels in fake frames is very AI, current year buzz word, much wow. So bored of glorified upscaling.
First off, still waiting on that robo vacuum review. Secondly, At this point it’s definitely worth a look for console players to consider a pc. I mean why not? You get all the games from every console outside of Nintendo. Plus you get to game at native settings if you want a better version of upscaling. All around pc is worth a look at that price range.
I have a gaming rig and a ps5 slim. My rig has more than enough to play any game at 1440p or 4k and most of the time for games I use my base ps5 slim that works just fine :) I don't see a reason for the ps5 pro but to throw away money that I could use on games or eating at a fancy restaurant or take a well deserved vacation :) Sorry but Sony if your hearing me............ Why did you not make the ps5 pro $500 and drop the price of the slim and day one ps5 to $400???? That would have made alot more since!
They already announced it's RDNA 3. They also said it'll run at a slower clock than the 7800xt. It'll be a nerfed 7800xt. Most likely 7700xt performance that trades blows with the 6800.
In my PC parts list towards the end of the video I listed a 7700 XT. Can you provide a link to the article confirming the things you just said? I’m working on a follow up video.
@@ErockOnTech It was a article from months ago. Claiming it was a half step to next gen RT. If I recall it called it RDNA 3.5. Also considering a 6800 over the 6700 it's nowhere near 2-3x RT performance. It would have to be 2nd gen RT cores (RDNA 3).
@@ErockOnTech Tried sharing techpowerup article saying it's RDNA 3 with RDNA 4 RT cores from a month ago. Link won't post in reply. Article is "Sony PlayStation 5 Pro Sketch Surfaces".
One of the main benefits of PC - games. There are lots of them from different times, they run better, they scale into the future, they are moddable, they can be dirt cheap (I remember buying the first Deus Ex game less than 50 cents on sale and despite its age it's a great game), you don't have to pay for online, Steam is a goated service (ave Lord Gaben), you can multitask on PC, you have more controller options including all the power of mouse and keyboard... It's just good to be on PC. Don't forget that after buying your console you also have to spend money further on and I don't think an average Joe will be replaying one game over and over because he doesn't want to buy another one. PC is freedom and it's good.
Will base ps5 have PSSR? I have a PC/PS4 Pro. If it does I’ll pick up a base PS5. But for $700 I’ll upgrade my PC’s dated CPU and buy a base PS5 if it has PSSR.
I have been a PC and console gamer for years now and putting a PC in my living room does not work, I have tried it twice. Also there are certain types of games like platformer's and FIFA that i do not want to play on my PC. For me at least i see them as two different animals, they have different vibes and should never be compared.
The reality is everyone's gaming needs are different. We have two builds with 4090's and a 4070 build if I want to play a game on PC I can. The reality is though I gaming is the priority for me and I don't limit myself. My top 5 games this year can not be played on PC & though they may come one day and the last one never will "legally" I'll pick up the pro to replace my current PS5 which I sold for $410 which is a great turn around for thousands of hours of gaming already. An continue to play those games on our 2nd PS5 which we will hand down to our nieces later once the pro comes out to replace both. I'm not waiting till an undisclosed time 18 months to 2 years to play games I'm looking forward to that I can play today. An honestly if anyone can I think it's pretty obvious they weren't really looking forward to the game in the first place. An that's fun but let's be honest that's the only way you are putting off something you could easily do today when tomorrow is not promised. It means it's not a priority and you don't really care at the end of the day.
I am just like you. I have a 4090 and I just refuse to play old games. If a game is available and I want to play it, I try to find a way to play it. Sony 1st party games have always been Day one purchases for me and I will not wait to play Gta 6. Others can wait while they play old games but that's just not me.
@@TheRealEnate GTA 6 is a game that moves the needle people can say that they can wait for PC release but once youtube videos and gameplay comes out the FOMO is going to be huge. Try holding out then. I'm not.
for $750(which is roughly the price of a PS5 pro + stand)you can build a PC with an rx 6750XT + ryzen 5 5600/x, this PC can pretty much play any game at 1440p native with optimized settings and get 60+ fps, it would also perform very close to a PS5 pro
@@ErockOnTech I can. But according to Digital Foundry, PS5 Pro is more similar to Ryzen 5 3600 and RX 7700 XT. The processor is the same (slow) as the PS5 and the GPU is 45% faster. Or you can use Ryzen 5 5500 and RX 6800. They have the same performance as the previous ones. I can share the parts list on pcpartpicker. The total price is only $723.46. - AMD Ryzen 5 5500 - $80.05 - Acer Nitro OC Radeon RX 7700 XT 12 GB - $379.99 - Leven JPS600 2 TB M.2-2280 - $94.99 - Silicon Power GAMING 16 GB DDR4-3200 CL16 - $28.96 - ASRock B450M-HDV R4.0 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard - $59.99 - Basic case - $27.49 - Apevia Prestige 600 W 80+ Gold Certified - $51.99
The big issue in the room is the 3700X is too slow for a RX 6800, the system is CPU bottleneck out of the box. It will do performance level fps at quality level visuals but, only just. It has no room for future game demands at all.
The PS5 Pro is only getting a GPU upgrade and not a CPU upgrade. Therefore, the existing CPU in the PS5 Pro will likely bottlebeck the new GPU. Additionally, they are already saying GTA 6 will run at 30 FPS due to a CPU bottleneck. I covered this in the video. The sources are in the video description. Lastly, I clearly said the PC Part Picker list was not perfect and did not match the PS5 Pro perfectly. The SSD in my list is also inferior to the PS5 Pro. But again, it shows you have options and it shows you can switch to PC gaming without paying $1000.
@@ErockOnTech You misunderstand, I agree with you. I am only putting emphasis on how egregious it is for Sony to release a product that has a very short future without the ability to upgrade as PC can. With a Micro Center near me I am sure I could build a better value PC than A PS5 Pro for about the same money. Their current 9600X bundle is only $349 for the CPU, 32GB RAM , and decent AM5 motherboard. Add in a used 6800 for $300, a $45 650W PSU, and $50 budget case and there you have it at about $850. Another $50 for a $350 used 6800XT and its a higher end mainstream gaming build with the most modern AMD hardware.
@@bodasactra Oh I see. Yes, you are correct. I completely misunderstood that previous comment. My apologies. Thank you for clarifying! Good recommendation on a build by the way.
GPU is based off a RX 7800 XT that's been downclocked, rasterization performance will probably be around RX 7700 XT but yeah, you're right, CPU bottleneck galore.
I think the $700 is a joke lol Love my gaming PC I built this May, the Ryzen 7 7800x3d cpu with a Radeon RX 7900 GRE 16GB gpu is amazing! I own a PS5, PS4, PS3, and PS Vita too... but not gonna pay no $700 for a console. Sony is smoking crack if they think that's ever happening. lol
i have a good pc. but i was thinking about to get a ps5. but since there are almost no good games on it, i trashed the idea. the whole ps5 pro reveal just put the nail in the coffin for sure. i wanted to play gran turismo on it. and it would be great to get to play gta6 without waiting. but just for that its not worth it at all. if i could get a used standard ps5 for a max of 250 i would get an old one. the upgrade from the standard to the pro is just not enough to get one at all, even if you dont have anything next gen at all it is a pretty bad deal. and i think the pro will not get 60fps at any config with gta6. and updates will be stopped after 1/3 of the gta6 lifecycle. rockstar will want to sell the game as many times as possible. and it worked out well for them without a shitstorm at all. they will sell it on ps5 and pro. then they will sell it on pc and they will sell it another time for ps6. im glad i am old enough to just wait for the gta6 release on pc. i am still playing games on ps4 sometimes. and i think ps2 ps3 and ps4 are great. but the ps5 era was doomed from the beginning. and the ps5 will not recover anything of that. for all the people out there who play on consoles. they are great but at this point its really not worth it anymore. the consoles are so pricey its not really aquestion anymore if you should switch to pc or not. at this rate you only need one console generation to make up with the price. probably not even a full cycle. building a pc on your own is not that hard. i did it with a tutorial on youtube. and made it work on the first try.
I'm for PC all the way, but understand PC AREN'T for everyone. Consoles are meant to bring convenience and PC is all about freedom. But Sony has made the convenience a LOT LESS accessible and more costly.
You can't get the same level of performance for the price from a PC, unless you already have a decent PC and you only need to upgrade a few parts. Starting from scratch, there's no way you'll get compatible performance
I’m aware. I never said you could get the same performance for the same price. But with a PC you get a lot more for your money. Consoles keep you as a consumer. You just consume over and over again. A PC allows you to consume and produce. You can create with a PC.
@@ErockOnTech Computers are nice to have, absolutely. We have several at my house. I'm not limiting myself to waiting years to play games though. I'd rather buy a relatively cheap PS5 pro, that has performance of a $1000-1200 PC , and play Spiderman 2, Stellar Blade, GTA, and so on, when they release. That's just my opinion
@@B-U-T-C-H-E-Rsomeone made a list and you can buy a brand new PC for a similar 800€ price in Europe. The pro is kinda overpriced for something that can't even guarantee the 45% GPU increase. With most games still being on PS4 having a pro variant is kinda pointless.
I saw that after I posted this video. I was confused by this interview. Digital foundry has another video on their DF clips channel saying the same thing I said which is a Rx 6800. It seems like they don’t really know either and they are trying to be diplomatic about it. It’s a custom GPU. So to be fair, unless you’re a Sony engineer, you’re not gonna know. It’s all educated guessing.
Pc build stil more than a ps5 pro. As the GPU is not yet tested its hard to know howwell the 7700 performs with the gpu in the ps5 pro whish supposedly has better ray tracing than any amd gpu currently on sale. ps5 pro also has PlayStation Spectral Super Resolution upscaling technology which is not known how well this wil work regarding pc amd cards. best advice is too wait if someone considering a ps5 pro or a pc build around 900. Also you needed to add a 2tb ssd and not a 1tb which wil cost you another 50 bucks more. And the silicon power A60 is only 2200 read speed where the one in the ps5 pro is 5500 speed. over twice as fast. so not all components really equal.
So ive actually built my dads rig with a 3080 for 700+ which is a little faster than a 7700xt. So yes it actually can be done. 3080s are pretty cheap to find nowdays 🤷
You also missed out on saying that console are easily moved around then a PC. Must people buy console because not to many wires to hook up. Plug n Play
What do you think of the PlayStation 5 Pro?
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I have a RX 7700 XT & I5-14400F, 2x16GB RAM DDR5, 1 TB SSD nvme 2.0 corsair, and the AGL850 PCIE power support in my pc, how does it compare to a PS5 & PS5 Pro?
@@ErockOnTech Imagine paying 700 bucks for a 45% performance increase. Ur not gonna find no such insanity on PC, lol.
u cant compare something that is not out yet
all are happy with ps5 pro except some pc nerds and xbots
pc gaming is pain in the ess with all the crashes and fixes and most annoying if those pc hackers and cheaters
and is 3 times more expansive then what pro is and even then u will have to keep getting new cpu gpu to keep it up
i have a better idea for u to get more likes on your video without talking nonsense to build a pc without usb c / windows OS /hdmi cables /controllers /wifi 7 /motherboard that dont support gen 4 gpus no keyboard & mouse and pc desk all these things need to play on pc
so MY idea is how about making a video for all the pc gamers who still playing on 1080 and 1660 and 2070/2080 gpu pc and below PCs
and those who dont want to waste 10000s of cash to get latest gpu every 2-3 years and why they should be getting ps5 pro instead of building over expansive pc ? if they only game but if they do other things with pc then its a different story
55 new and current gen games will be having ps5 pro enhanced versions dumb ess its not all for BC games day 1 dumbo go read at PlayStation blog
Some people were comparing the Pro's power to a 4090, dream on😅
I saw that. Absolutely ridiculous.
It's barely a 3080.
A 3080 based PC would actually annihilate this thing.
@@x8jason8x more like a 3070 ti with a severe bottleneck
Not somebody. It was said by digital foundry it wasn't a random idiot. It was digital foundry
@@irsshill4502It's not even that , I think a 3060 ti is 16.2 tflops which should be about what PS5 PRO actually is when you cut its 33tflops in half down to real world performance.
Simple truth is: Until RDNA 4 is out there is no REAL GPU comparison
You are correct.
Exactly and that's the actual truth.
And if you have a 4080 or 4090 it doesn’t matter anyway because it won’t come close to those true 4K gaming cards.
@@mutha_fnmikey2325 I find it funny that you call 4080 or 4090 as "true 4K gaming cards" when Nvidia is pushing technologies to render in a lower resolution to upscale it to 4K.
It is the same thing what PS5 Pro will be doing but in lower FPS against the compared 1000-2000€ cards
I dont really know what you are trying to say, ofcourse console has similarities to pc. Consoles are just watered down pc's. Upscaling has existed for way longer than you think the Xbox one would upscale 1440p to 4k if you wanted that "4k" experience.
Agree its totally fun to build your own PC and watch it boot on. Great feeling!!
For real! I find myself craving to build a new PC just because it's fun haha.
@@ErockOnTech *_AHEM_* 🤣
I wish I could say it was still fun for me. I do love talking about parts and hardware development though! 😅
Agreed 💯
the fun starts after the heart attack when your AMD based rig takes 4 min to finish memory training and finally posts. lol
It will be $1000+ here in Norway once taxes are included. That is just insane for a console.
I agree 100%!
skip the console year? has come
Play switch then .
@@KenjiEspresso or switch to PSP Pro
Good video. You sealed my subscription and like by having the chapters broken down with time stamps in the description. Thank you sir!!!
Thank you! I appreciate it! I provide chapters every video. I know your time is valuable.
Not having a subscription fee is what caused me to build a gaming pc. I sold my xbox series x and dont regret it sumply because of this reason.
Very similar story to me.
and you can play most of the games on pc game pass😊
Not having ownership of my PC games is what causes me to buy all the new big AAA games on PS5. I solved the subscription problem by not paying for it.
I wish I could have ownership though, I'd buy all my games on PC (which I still have).
@@AgagaSnsns There are very few games on modern consoles that are contained 100% on disc. You still have to download and install additional content for most games. That means the disc is just a proof of purchase and not the whole game.
@@AgagaSnsns brother u can get everything for free and own it permanently if you want to in pc , dont even try to say ps5 is better. and the fact that u miss out on countless pc games on ps5 , while u can still run most of the ps5 exclusive games on pc and imaging having to pay to play a game online that you already spent 60$ on , the only reason why i moved on from consoles.
As an owner of a PC and PS5 i feel like there is a good portion of people who should just by a used PS5. Alot of folks just play 2 or 3 of the same games because thats all they have time for .99% of big games that release will be on the PS5 .
This is sound advice. I can’t knock it.
The regular PS5 makes more sense.
@@KhoasD17 if you have a pc a ps5 just doesn't make sense at all lol not even for gta 6
@@farazsiddiqui1312depend on what kind of PC
@@farazsiddiqui1312 They just recently stopped making games for the PS4 so I'm confident that the PS5 will get GTA 6
Im good with 5600 Ryzen + 7700xt + 32 Ram
If consoles could add mods it would at least be interesting but PC is still king.
Here in the UK, the disc drive costs £100 and the vertical stand is £25. Total of £825 (about $1,083) just for the console!
Then there's the PS+ cost which is £60/year for essential, £100 for extra or £120 for premium. And there's also the fact that new games cost £70.
Depending on which PS+ tier you go for, you could be talking £1,000 ($1,300) FOR A CONSOLE! At that point you may as well just put that money towards a new PC.
I'll just stick with my base PS5 and my 4070 PC.
I agree. It’s not worth it. It’s ridiculous. Your current setup is more than fine.
Its pretty unfair to use the subscription price as a negative though coz even the base ps5 uses the same subscription
@@dahnleycabreros4151but we can't throw it away in our calculations either. Cloud saves and online gaming are important to many people so Sony squeeze an extra penny for that too.
@@dahnleycabreros4151 So does ps4, and it works fine not paying for ps+ lol. What's unfair about it? Not like anyone keeps people from buying computers, most places in the world. 😂
@@x8jason8x my point is why is the subscription only bad for ps5 pro? But the subscription is good in the base ps5 or the ps4?.
Dangerously close to an equally powerfull 1000$ USD PC. Except with paid online, no mods, no steam sales, no emulation, no productivity tools and fixed 60fps.
Fixed 60 fps if they are lucky. A lot of games are still 30 fps sadly.
A lot of games at 30fps only? On PlayStation? That's a reach.
You can count them in one hand.@@ErockOnTech
Also, there are 120fps games on PS5.
Rocket League, fortnite, COD, R6 and etc
@@ErockOnTechthe Quarry, Gotham knights, industria (never heard of it) and "the casting of Frank Stone.
That's not "A Lot" there's not even a single "must play" here.
If you look at PlayStation first party games, you get the base 40fps mode for full quality (4k+RT) but you always get a performance mode, sometimes even with RT (spiderman) and 1440p.
@@Segundachanceemgames Or hear me out...just buy a PC and not have to worry about 30-40fps games lol. Also, PS5 games aren't the only games on the market. there's xbox and nintendo as well. Last time I checked, a PC can run all of their games too. It would be like having 3 current gen consoles in one on top of better performance. There's no competition here lol
I’m so glad I switched to PC gaming!
Me too!
is your pc only for gaming.....? mine is my other pc is for every thing else
I have an RTX 3080 in my PC. Is that graphics card better than the one in the PS5 Pro?
@ErockOnTech, my PC specs are:
Ryzen 7800X3D
Radeon RX 7900 XTX
32GB - 6000Mhz DDR5 RAM
850 PSU
What is the comparison to the PS5 Pro?
Maybe I will miss out on AI upscaling because it will be limited to Radeon RX 8000 GPU's with FSR 4.0 but overall it will be way faster in comparison to the PS5 Pro.
So in that case i"m i'll hope my pc will last until when the PS6 comes out
Your PC will absolutely last until the PS6 comes out. Your PC destroys the PS5 Pro. Do not worry about it. Happy gaming.
@@ErockOnTech thanks man, i thought so, but was a little worried about the AI features and such other ray traycing stuff
Wow, $860 USD, that's quite a lot. Here in Australia, the PS5 Pro plus stand (sold out here), and disc drive (also sold out here), would be a bout $1350 AUD or $905 USD, keeping in mind, our prices include all taxes. However, I'd suggest, Sony knows, similarly to Apple and Nvidia, people will be happy to pay those prices for the latest and greatest, so whilst they may not be aiming at the average gamer, I'd suggest they're aiming at the enthusiast FOMO type of game.
I was one off them, just waiting the preorders open on 26 this month 😂💰
So many people are saying “you don’t need a blue ray drive or the stand. This isn’t a fair comparison.” But your comment proves otherwise. If no one needs it, then why has it sold out in your country? This confirms my
statements regarding the price point. Thank you.
great breakdown! thanks for this video it kinda helps in giving clarity to a lot of people trying to make the decision of whether getting the ps5 pro or getting/staying with PC
I’m glad it was helpful! Thank you 😊
This video explains everything perfectly, all valid points that should be mentioned was mentioned during this video
Thank you. I worked very hard on it.
Gamers are unhappy, but will STILL buy, and then complain when sony release PS6 for 699. Best thing is to not buy, but people never learn.
You are correct!
Whales and hype. The deadly duo.
If you think they will stop at $699 i think you underestimate sony i bet it will be like $899 for ps6
Yeah, that worked with Apple and Nvidia really well! LOL
Ps6 is gonna be 899$
Lets say sony ended up putting an 7800 xt equivalent in the ps5 pro. The cpu is still gonna be the same won’t that cause bottleneck?
Bingo. You are correct 😊
it likely depends on title. the cpu that has good price to performance balance with a partner gpu will often be limited by the gpu, even at 1080p. if they have been keeping games capped at 30 and 60 fps, then it is unknown how limiting the cpu ever will be, since the utilization of all hardware will be lower. if for example the gpu is pegged at 100% then the cpu could be running at 60% utilization. by upgrading the gpu, the cpu would be able to stretch out a bit more, it may actually get pushed to 90%.
@@commonsense-og1gz make sense. We won’t know for sure until the actual thing comes out
It depends on the developer......they said they can push some cpu work to gpu and Ober clock it, but we won't know till we get games.....but Sony makes good shit, idk why ppl are jumping out the windows.
Good video man I agree 100%
Thank you 🙏
I get the Pro will be compared to different PC hardware. But I really think it’s incorrect to compare a Custom AMD APU to a discrete Nvidia GPU. The APU is custom, it can never really be one to one.
Hope your doing well, always great content
I'm doing well. Thank you! Yeah everyone is making educated guesses here.
It doesn't have to be one to one.
Why should it be one to one?
That being said while 7700XT might indeed be like PS5 Pro in rasterisation , I feel the Raytracing capabilities of PS5 Pro could be like 7800XT or better.
If it's indeed up to 3x , that smells like 7900XT territory, but I could be wrong.
Regular PS5 is somewhere around 6650XT-6700 in Raster.
Not sure about RT, but I doubt 7700XT is 300% stronger in RT than regular PS5 .
Thought the pro had its own gpu not apu its just built into the motherboard for space saving reasons Maybe I misunderstood JayzTwoCents video about it
@@devilsnightgaming kinda, think of it as an SOC - system on Chip. The CPU and GPU are on the same foundation(die). I call it Custom APU bc it’s not available to purchase independently.
@@Kapono5150 Accelerated Processing Unit (APU) is CPU and GPU in the same chip. To my understanding the pro has both a gpu and cpu built into the PCB like a laptop, not in the same chip. Is this wrong?
I'm glad I found your channel and subscribed awhile back!
Thank you so much for these words!
@@ErockOnTech please keep up the good work we PC Gamers Salute you!
@@Dnizzle25 Thank you so much!
Whats great about pc is seamless upscaling on steam where it just puts in frame gen onto any game ever so you get 120 fps when you can only run 60 fps.
I love consoles and I love PCs.. and I've been building PCs since the 90s and always have fun doing so. I remember magazines declaring "PC gaming is dead" several times over the decades and it just keeps on keeping on.
One of the best things about PCs is just how scalable and customizable it is. There's a PC for every budget out there. My motherboard /CPU on my main gaming PC is over 12 years old now but still performs great(Intel i7 Skylake). I've upgraded the GPU about 4-5 times now and each time it felt like I bought a new console equivalent.
Well said! Thank you for this comment and thank you for sharing your experience. You’re completely right!
so you know how easy it has become.... everyone talks like building a pc is just putting all of the parts together..... most build this 500 dollar pc vids don't include the price of an OS. just put the parts together and 'it just works'. no driver installs, no bios updates, no trouble shooting....
@@caliginousmoira8565 Yeah, all those are important things to consider, which is why I said that love both consoles and PCs. The plug and play nature of consoles is a massive plus.. however, I'm very used to tinkering and I enjoy setting up and tuning the PC experience which not everyone is going to be comfortable with. The OS can be obtained really cheap on various OEM cd key stores legally for less than $20 bucks.
If you play a lot of games online, you can't beat the fact that you don't have to pay for that service like you do with Xbox Live and PSPlus
From a PC enthusiast perspective, I really don't understand much why it is a big deal. For me PS5 pro is a "optional" upgrade and PS5 also exist for those who don't want to spend more.
Can anyone from the Console community give their perspective and a detailed points why it's not good? I'm just curious.
People just like to complain. Sony is giving us exactly what we asked for. The same great image quality that we were getting at 30 fps but now with double the frames. I’m not sure why people thought that would be cheap. But you said it perfectly. It’s optional. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy the Pro. Buy the regular one if you don’t care enough about the upgraded performance. It’s not being discontinued.
They're just crying cause they can't afford it , they want Sony give them the last tech available on console for 50 bucks more, these people are seriously stupid.
I ain't buying the PS5 PRO cause I already have a standar PS5 ,Sony ain't putting a gun on my head to buy their products , people thinking that PC is "cheaper" have 2 braincells digging for 3rd place in their head.
Im more upset the a premium console is missing the premium features (disc drive, stand).
Yea I think people just like to complain honestly. lol But this does show where prices are heading with consumer electronics. Consoles used to hold a good value proposition at one time but now that we know how much a PS5 pro is, its not so much the case anymore. When you look at the price of the console, plus a disk drive, one game, etc, your hitting the thousand dollar and beyond mark and thats no even including the subscription you need to pay on top of that so you can play online. I can find used gaming PC.s on market place in my area with 3 series and 4 series GPU,s for the same amount, or even cheaper. In my opinion, its better to wait and getting second hand or find a used standard edition model if you want to go the console route.
@@GerardoPerezyou just contradicted yourself and explained why people are upset 😭
Nailed it Bro
Thank you 😊
I use Radeon Chill more than anything on my 7800XT i love setting my fps max and minimum in that and it works well for a nice smooth game play.
That’s awesome!
This video as all you're video's are great you did a lot of work i like it you left nothing out this should help a lot of people.
Thank you very much! I do my best!
The Pro will be using Pssr and Frame Gen to even try and reach the 60fps mark. and anyone who knows how frame gen works would know, that it does not work well with low initial frames. You need good high frames to start with. DLSS is proven with years of use and updates and PSSR is not. PlayStation has allot to prove for the 700 dollars they are asking. This is not a 200 dollars upgrade you are paying 700 for PSSR and Frame Gen. Are the upgrades worth 700 dollars, more than likely not. Not to mention the untouched CPU (The Bottleneck)
Adding 1 tb ssd is 80$ so maybe they should've made it 620 people would still complain 😂
The CPU is NOT a bottleneck, Jethro.
Ur a moron, pc pplnhave said you can get 120 fps on pro and Sony themselves said u can do 8k on gt7.....
4k60 is standard for Sony games, 3rd party devs ca take advantage how every they want.IF they want, but that's not diff than any other game..
The Zen 2 CPU is not really a bottleneck. That CPU is still really good. And people forget that Sony and MS built a lot of custom hardware that offset and handled a lot of extra
@@ByteMeCompletelyDigital foundry have seen cou bottlenecks in Multiple games this console generation. So you are wrong.
The way that the devs even create games for us to play and have it on these systems just blows my mind. And how easy building a PC is
Pretty sure it was confirmed that the PS5 pro uses RDNA3, so I don't think you are correct about the 6800 being used. It's a hybrid generation GPU as the raytracing is RDNA4 tech. We'll know for sure in November, but it's probably just shy of 7800 xt performance but with a few extra tricks.
Good vid man, I love that you pointed out the total cost almost being a grand. Its kinda insane, but... they will sell out.
Thank you man! Oh yeah they’ll sell out for sure. No doubt.
Iim going to need that vertical stand also
Nice coverage on this topic. Was wondering why everyone says you cant possibly make a pc for that price point but then again most people aren't the most technical.
Heres another build I just quickly made that should match it pretty well too, if not surpass it cause of gpu tweaking with adrenaline. Its X4zywg on pc part picker with all new parts, a more updated cpu, and even 32gb of ram. Sony flew too close to the sun on this one in terms of raw value.
Now if this was a 600 dollar console, it would for sure be hard to beat.
I cannot find it. Can you share a link please?
@@ErockOnTechDon't know why but links are just not working so well. My comment gets filtered out.
Should be on /list/X4zywg
@@ErockOnTechhere's the list in plain text in case that link is still messed up:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600 3.5 GHz 6-Core Processor - $114.81 (Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME B550M-A WIFI II Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard $99.99 (Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory $53.99 (Amazon)
Storage: Kingston NV2 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive $56.99 (Amazon)
Video Card: ASRock Challenger OC Radeon RX 7700 XT 12 GB Video Card $389.99 (Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design Pop Air ATX Mid Tower Case $58.98 (Newegg)
Power Supply: MSI MAG A550BN 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply $58.99 (Amazon)
Total: $833.74
This is very close if you factor in a disc drive, which consoles really do need for the used game market, (otherwise its only the sony store and thats it. They dont even really sell keys like that anymore there either :/) and one year of ps plus.
Not sure if it would matter some of my console friends are shy of pc cause of physical size of it and console is plug-n-play into your TV and its easer for them
I build a gaming pc in 2019 knowing i wasn't going to get one but out of luck now i have a ps5 and a pc i play both but moving forward. Not going to stay a with system anymore.... i at point ill be building my 3dr pc am5 windows 11 Ryzen hopefully a batter RTX card
Awesome! Sounds good!
Laptop is easy to use, you can bring it everywhere, games are super cheap like a couple of dollars during steam sale, supports controller, and you need one anyway for work/school/entertainment.
I have just switch to PC a friend that builds PC´s have build a Ryzen 7 - 5700X , Ram 16 Gb´s SSD 512 Gb , RTX 4060 i have also buy a External SSD 1 Tb . It have cost 860 euros and 100 euros the external 960 euros + a Xbox Pc controller because i can´t play with mouse and keyboard ( yet ) 1060 euros . The Ps 5 Pro in the country that i live with disc drive and stand will cost about 1050 euros . And of course the difference from my Ps5 to my Pc it´s out of this world . Mod´s , free online , more games that play and look so much better and they are also cheaper on steam . Definitely value for money and if we consider that the Ps6 that will come in about 3-4 years will not cost cheaper form the Ps5 Pro Pc it´s the only way form now on . Of course i don´t know much about Pc tech yet but learning it´s also fun .
I'm happy to hear you are now on PC. Welcome to the family! Feel free to ask questions and keep on learning. I still have a lot to learn myself! :)
I fucking love the honesty with your channel sponsor 😂. Legit UA-camr right here! We all got bills to pay no hate. FWIW I built a $1,600 Intel PC last year. I’ve been victim to the instability issues of my i14700k, and driver/software issues of my ARC A770. It was brutal, after about a month of issue free gaming no regrets. That said, my PS5 is rock solid, no issues. Granted, I could have made a more cost effective PC build that was less cool looking, with more performance, for about $1,300. So basically, unless you’re willing to drop 2x the price for a PC, console is the way to go. But yeah, If you can afford to build a $1,500 PC, don’t mind trouble shooting, and really want that extra 15-20% FPS/Graphics quality upgrade, then go for it. If $2,000-$3,000 isn’t a lot of money to you, then PC no question.
Haha I appreciate it! That is my policy! Honesty!
So you built a rig that had a chip with known issues, and console is better because of it? Your only advantage in console, and I mean only, is the fact so many people think, like you, that you have troubleshoot PC all the time, so they buy consoles. No hate, but that's because you picked a bad cpu, and a gpu in development. You'd have been fine if you built an AMD platform, and it would have cost you less.
When you say "built", do you mean selected from drop down menus on an SI's site? On no continent do you have to spend 1500 USD to build a computer capable of beating this Zen 2 bottlenecked, 30fps locked, microtransaction laden pocket emptyer. You don't even have to spend 700$ if you buy used, you can find plenty of rigs that stomp this thing's specs!
Your gpu/cpu combo cost 900$ at peak, you spent another 700$ on the platform... to have it fail... it's okay to make mistakes man, but don't cry about getting roasted on cross platform play by kids on GTX1060 cards with 1080p screens with that PS5. They're better prepared for it than you'll be, simply on controller latency alone... never mind proper ports not broken by PSN. 15-20% better graphical fidelity? Lol... this makes me wonder if you've ever actually used a good pc, on a good monitor. There's no comparing the two... it's fine if you like Sony, M$, Nintendo... whatever, just stop trying to tell people who can play better quality versions of everything consoles do, in one place, that these crapboxes are better in any way. Consoles are the iPhones of gaming, made for people with no patience, or interest in dealing with computers. Again no hate, it just is what it is.
@@x8jason8x Look kid, I’ve been PC/Console gaming since Atari 2600 and Commodore 64. I’ve had top of the line gaming PC’s and almost every console imaginable. My uncle thought me how to build PC’s he’s an engineer who served as a technician on a nuclear submarine. Hardware issue are a fact of life no matter what brand your a fan of. At the time AMD was having issues with their memory controllers being fried by bad BIOS firmware. Intel 14th gen was essentially the same as the very stable 13th gen. Things change fast in technology. The issues are resolved and I do enjoy my PC. But you do need to step up to about a 4070 or 7800xt for an appreciable difference besides frame rate. I only play single player games on my PC so as long as I get a solid 60fps at 1440p ultra wide I’m good. As for multiplayer it’s PS5, cross play turned off. Script kitty’s and their hack subscriptions make multiplayer almost pointless. I get the feeling you finally got yourself a rig and just can’t wait to act like it makes you superior in some comments section. Nobody’s crying here, I enjoy my PC and Consoles for different reasons. Touch some grass and have a great day my dude.
@@richardbixler Whoops!
Nothing you said means anything, you're making it clear that you have no argument, and despite the fact I said I wasn't hating on you, you just had to cry.
You're projecting like a drive in grandpa, go take your metamucil, it's 4:00pm, time for your nap!
I wonder what ps6 is going to cost. Is it going to be like 800 usd because ps5 pro is already 700? And thats without disc drive mind you and keep in mind another reason some people prefer consoles over pcs is physical copies of games. With time they are getting less and less benefits over pcs. Back in the day consoles benefits over pc were: a lot of exclusive games, much cheaper, physical discs that you could just pop in to console and play straight away without needing to install or download anything. Now you have to install and patch games even when you have physical copies which are slowly going away even on consoles, there are barely any console exclusives anymore and now with the ps5 pro price it seems like the price of consoles will eventually be almost close to a price of a pc. So at this point I dont even see a point in console since they dont even have benefits over pcs they used to have anymore.
PS6 will cost $699. The PS5 Pro is here to condition the market to get used to this price point.
@@ErockOnTech Yeah well even then everything I said still stands. 700 is getting close to a price of a pc. Youll probably still pay slightly more for a pc with equivalent specs but if we factor in that you have to pay for playing games online and console games are typically more expensive that alone will even out the price in the long run.
@@Marko-ij4vy Absolutely! I agree 100%!
Disc drive is essential because you will save more money buying used games than the disc drive costs . Digital doesn’t work on console because on ps6 most likely your ps5 games won’t transfer over , on Pc it works bedcause your steam account is more stable
Its 60CU of RDNA3 but its downclocked 11%(250mhz) compared to the 7800XT, on the flip side RT is supposed to be significantly improvement, IMO i would welcome the tradeoff.
Where are you getting this 11%(250mhz) from? Please provide a source.
@@ErockOnTech ps5 pro gpu = 2.18ghz boost and the 7800XT boost is 2.43ghz. Those specs are available with a quick Google.
@@marcgallant5270False it’s slightly slower than a RX 7700xt in rasterization performance. It’s like a 3070ti in raytracing performance.
@@marcgallant5270You can’t use that apples to oranges comparison you are completely wrong.
A principios de este año compré una PS5 usada que tenia roto el borde blanco, lo que le dicen "plate", por 200USD. Y me divierto jugando GT7
Handheld PCs are capable of a plug and play console like experience. When your budget is anywhere near $800, then you have many Handheld PC options.
There's so many ways to get a very capable PC for well under that. Even a 1080p PC experience gives you more control over your gameplay than any console out there.
Won’t look anywhere as good as the pro
@@x8jason8x I agree that there are better options if you mostly care about performance, but an idiot proof plug and play console like experience right out of the box is what Handheld PCs do.
Prebuilts, mini PCs, or building it yourself all require setup and are not as idiot proof.
@@gamingguru2k6 so... the handheld pc's are consoles but the switch isn't......?
You still need to tweak a ton of settings to get the games to run the way you want. Also, not everyone plays online.
I built a Sabertooth X99 years ago, maxed it out and threw in a 3090TI thats gotten me through multiple consoles gens. This is probably going to be my last go with consoles. I have a backlog that will keep me busy until I die.
A couple of things that you should've added to your video.
1. Consoles, including PS5, already use FSR. Although I believe most people think that FSR is far inferior to XeSS or DLSS due to those two using hardware acceleration. This is speculation but, PSSR uses hardware accelerated AI upscaling. PSSR may be used with FSR frame generation.
2. I don't believe that you made it clear, in the PS5 Pro video, they were comparing PS5 gameplay at 30fps to PS5 Pro gameplay at 60fps. The entire point of the PS5 Pro video was to say that you can get great console graphics at 60fps. Taking away the fidelity vs performance choice/problem on consoles.
For purely gaming, people would upgrade to a ps5 pro for the same reason someone would upgrade to a gaming pc. Better gaming performance, that’s it. Game exclusives, software and additional hardware capabilities is more preference based. The real question is if you want better gaming performance, how much will you prioritize performance over costs
A ps5 pro with both accessories is $810. You are paying $110 for accessories, but the console also comes with an additional 1TB of storage which normally costs $100 for the ps5 which already helps offset the cost of the accessories. All of this with the additional benefit of being able to play every game you already own, digitally or physically.
Moving over to the pc side, assuming you’re looking for more of a value mid-range option. You’re looking to pay $1100-$1300 for similar or slightly better performance than a ps5 pro. You are paying a price premium to have flexibility of being able to use windows software, more software, and hardware related features not on the ps5 pro. No games you owned on console will transfer to pc, you will have to repurchase any game you’ve previously owned and only digitally
Assuming the ps5 pro actually offers better visual performance or higher fps in games. I can’t see for the life of me how the ps5 pro is a bad deal, unless you are already happy with the performance you currently have. The ps5 pro just like a mid-range pc are meant to provide a 1440p 120fps or a 4k 60fps experience. If we’re somehow wishing the ps5 pro to be cheaper when it provides that level of performance and convenience then I don’t what good value is
I did enjoy Doom 2 RTX though. Even though I already played it, but then again, that’s a free mod. lol
Kind of off-topic, but I don’t know why tech companies do this to them selfs. When the Quest 3 released with its new chip set it was released with no new games or even tech demo that took advantage of the new hardware as a result, a lot of people did not upgrade. It did release with a bunch of other feature, so not apples to apples, but as a result, I think it definitely hurt sales
Video games have always helped to sell hardware. Look at the OG Xbox and Halo.
It did include a very fun mixed reality game called First Encounters which blew my mind when the first little spaceship landed on my sofa and aliens hid beneath furniture.
@@taptoplayde it did and that’s kind of the point it came with a demo to demonstrate the new mixed reality, but didn’t come with anything to demonstrate the new chip set. I thought it was definitely worth the upgrade, but you’d be surprised how many people own a Quest and have no idea what the GPU or CPU is.
I have to say that upscalers on consoles is not something new, even right now on base PS5 and Xbox Series FSR is being used on multiple games. Prior to FSR existence PS4 had checkerboarding and dev studios had their own upscalers like Insomniac's temporal injection. Pretty sure upscalers were also used during PS3 to bring games to 720/1080p, but all these console upscalers were and are software. What's new to PS5 Pro is custom dedicated hardware for PSSR which even Mark Cerny mentions in the presentation so similar to DLSS (we'll have to see how the quality is but DLSS got better over time too). Same goes for frame gen. Right now on base PS5 Black Myth Wukong uses frame gen on the performance mode. Other than that great video btw.
The GPU is somewhere in between RDNA 3 and 4. It looks like a downclocked 7800xt. The PS5 Pro is supposedly a 32 teraflop console while the 7800XT is 37 teraflops.
I will stick with my 4090/ 7800x3d/ 64 gig ddr5 pc.
Same 😎
I like the way Sony did the side-by-side comparison, but then shrank the image so you can't see the miniscule difference.
Yeah that was the best way to truly showcase the new hardware. Ingenious really if you think about it.
Also how they did only use very old games and not a single game which currently has issues like Black Myth Wukong or Space Marines 2.
I think the CPU situation is bizarre, the exact same CPU that is running 10% faster and that is still slower/same than the Rysen 4400 out of the box in 2019.
For those that say why not just get a PC, well I have a good PC (CPU) for work stuff and I can just upgrade the GPU and I should be set. But, I'm an adult with kid and at my current age, I like doing work stuff in my home office (not anywhere near my 65" TV but I do use a 42" 4K screen) and play stuff in my living room or bedroom. This PS5 Pro will replace my launch day PS5 in the living room and my OG unit will go to my bedroom attached to another 65" TV.
One thing that playing on a couch in front of a big TV that you can't get playing with a PC at a desk is family spectating and couch coop. Yes, you can have a PC attached to a big screen in a living room but not all of us want to go with the logistics involved (in my case) and the hell am I going to be tech support for family when they want to play and I'm working.
Another thing about PC vs PS5 Pro, I'm a patient man with games but when it is a game /franchise I really like, I ain't waiting 1-2 years for it to show up on PC.
For the next Xbox though, that is another matter. I have both XSX (living room) and XSS (bedroom) and because of the existence of PC GamePass, maybe a new GPU in 2027/2028 will make more sense than the XSX replacement.
Idk why YT absolutely ethered my response to you, but that's weird, because I didn't say anything even remotely rude. LOL!
Anyway I reject your argument, on the basis that I am responding to you on my wife's rig, which is sat on the couch @ a 70" Vizio M705. Lmao! We also have the benefit of all of our media being network available, so we just have a rig at every TV, we don't have to use thumbdrives just to move media across the house. Wireless peripherals, and it's all set!
It's a 5600x/3080 combo, and it will absolutely shred any console, including the PS5 and Pro. She's never had an issue with anything, including local multiplayer, splitscreen, plus has the added benefit of being able to run any video game we own, from any era or console. Yes, _that specifically_ can sometimes take some effort, but google is easy.
Its pretty clear they didnt want to make base PS5 look too bad in that presentation 😃 thats the big seller afterall and Sonys own games happen to be ones that already look great on base console. There will be many 3rd party games that will have huge improvements in image quality. Why didnt they mention PSSR applies to all existing games that are under 4k resolution i will never know . Anyways i have to say its not so black and white overall.. there is absolutely huge audience out there who will never want to or care to build a pc that cant be understated. Also as a "livingroom" box console is just so much more convinient than PC . I know you stated your mindset which is cool but there are soooo many people out there who only see their perspective and completely fail to understand not everyone thinks like them 😁
Base ps5 with 2 tbs of storage for years was 600 dollars and in a better gpu and boosted cpu it’s easy to see how they got to 700 they could have released a 1tb model for 600 if it had a disc drive
Hopefully stock ps5 will be cheaper when this come out im on pc and would buy base if cheap.
I got a 3900x with a rx 6800 no need for a pro.
honestly the price is not that bad despite of what youtubers says, if you consider how much pc parts cost now. I think sony got tired of selling ps5 on a lost and now they want to break even.
This type of thinking will lead to a permanent price increase on consoles. The PS6 will be $699. Mark my words.
@ErockOnTech Well my friend this is a common topic between gamers, even developers at Microsoft and Sony talked about this, they sell their consoles systems on a lost profit, they make profit on their own store front, Gabe newell talk about this with the steam deck. Look at the cost of pc parts now and Look to what happened to the microchips. Sadly console gamers think that Sony and Microsoft are their friends.
People said ps4pro and Xbox one x were a refresh but to me that was basically the 9th generation bc we went from 1080p gaming sometimes in only 30 fps to 4k ill be it upscale heavily but it was a way bigger jump from og Xbox n ps4 to those then the ps4pro n one x to this this generation
Not even a bundle with any game (though there's a lack) or any PS plus trial just $700 for a locked down computer, PC gaming is still top tier
I wanna know if Demon souls remake will ever make it to the PC platform?
I hope so! We need BloodBorne too!
@@ErockOnTech I still need to play that game 🤦🏾♂️
I also used to hate to game on PC. In the past PC games were buggy and you could not use an Xbox controller. From the PS4 era PC games are stable and you can use an Xbox controller. Now I like to play games on PC. After Sony announced the PS5 pro I have to accept console gaming no longer affordable anymore. It is sad to think that the PS4 is my last game console. I'm going to build a gaming PC in the future when my video card is too outdated to play games anymore.
I agree. Well said!
So. Gta 6 not going to be 60fps at 4K, but parhaps 60fps 1080p?
It’ll be capable of that for sure. The question is what will the developers give us? Will there be a fidelity model? A performance mode? A hybrid? So many questions.
When the base PS5 have to have 60fps mode for the pro to even have a chance. Pro might be 1080p 30 lol
In new jersey a ps5 pro with a disc drive including tax cost $832. Without the disc drive $747. All 3 the console, stand and disc drive $864.
Even if it’s “cheaper than a PC” that is a ton of money to just play video games.
@@ErockOnTech facts. Don't get me wrong I am going to get the pro only because when it comes to upgrading your technology I can only afford it by upgrading my consoles. Upgrading your console every 4 years is not as bad as getting the new iPhone or galaxy phone every single year like some people do. Also I got some friends who willing to buy my current ps5 from me for $350 and that's half the price for the pro right there.
Does it really need Ray-tracing when it can barely hit 30 FPS in future titles?
Exactly point.
You do know that lots of games also use FSR on ps5 also right?
Some games do yes. Not all. Also, it’s an older version of FSR. You do know that right? PC has far superior versions of FSR.
@@ErockOnTech I mean it depends on the game lol also some games have frame gen on the ps5 also there is nothing exclusive about it just depends on the devs. Also the ps5 pro gpu is based on a mix of rdna3 and rdna4 so it’s definitely stronger then a 6800 maybe not in raw rasterization because of the lower clock speeds but in ray tracing it’s probably going to be a lot stronger. Also spider-man, ratchet, hogwarts legacy, Jedi survive, etc all those games and more have ray tracing on the regular ps5 also and in 60fps modes it’s not something pc has had exclusively, spiderman has had it since 2020 on ps5 and ray tracing started with touring in 2018 and those first 2 years had virtually no games with it. I’m a pc gamer to but if your gonna make claims in either direction don’t purposely downplay the other platform with misinformation, chances are the PlayStation upscale will be superior to FSR since it’s machine learning based like dlss and xess but we will see at launch
Getting a Radeon 8000 Series GPU budget next year which won't have a weakling CPU like the PS5 Pro. That's the problem with the PS4 Pro and upcoming PS5 Pro.
You are correct. CPU bottlenecks in those consoles.
I am getting it wish we got higher fps 144 or 165. Son has a gaming pc and I got his graphics card just that one part cost more than the ps5 pro. I am ok with the price.
So basically the ps5 pro is going to do what they claimed the original would.😂
Good point. Exactly!
And that's why I'm very cautious about that update. If the devs still use it to create 60fps blurmania there is no point in getting a Pro.
As a pc enthusiast, I’ll likely only get it for it’s technical capabilities for comparison to see how far tech has come. Most are casual plug n play users, but us PC gamers are built different
Yes we are.
PC for me outclasses the PS5 Pro, glad we are on the same level regarding the situation about the PS5 Pro.
Awesome! Yeah man, PC is the best.
@@ErockOnTech so true glad i have a pc just to play some amazing games.
Need 2tb 7000mb/s ssd and wifi 7 adapter also something with dlss like features.
I said the list wasn't perfect. Not sure why people conveniently leave that part out every time.
Hello I'm a PC enthusiastic person but I still play on my PlayStation 5, I have a gaming PC 4060 TI 16gb 14700ks.
Before I have buy the PS4 I was a PC player, and my last PC was not Bad for the time I have build it GTX580 Matrix Platinum end a phenom AMD Phenom II X6 1090T.
But I still love play on console you have less problem with cheaters, yes I hated you can't Setup all settings in your games like a PC.
But many other things are important, for me is important a good audio have in front of my a 55" Samsung qd-oled and sitting on a big nice couch or any other position I want to be on my couch wenn i play games.
And when I want I can play on my TV with my PC.🤷♂️
Good analysis Erock. I think you pretty much nailed it. A lot of PlayStation titles have come to Steam already, but of the good ones are still missing, like the Team Ico titles, Demon's Souls and of course Bloodborne. In under a year Bloodborne will run glitch free, with texture packs, lighting mods, unlocked framerate and so on, in emulators on PC. Something the PS5 Pro will never do. So they should look into that 10 year anniversary PS5/PC port soon 😁
The PS5 Pro is a terrible mid-gen refresh. An extra $300 for a higher performance PS5 digital version minus the stand is awful value. But hey, not my problem, I would never buy a PlayStation anything.
The PS5 Pro die will most likely have 60 RDNA4-ish CUs, but some will be disabled for yields, leaving 56 or 54 CUs for use. Now the PS5 Pro die will have most of the same cutbacks and limitations the PS5 die has;
- It will be heavily power limited to 250 Watts for the whole system, not just the GPU portion. PC parts nuke consoles, including PS5 Pro.
- The GPU will not have L3 cache just like regular PS5. The 576 GB/s bandwidth in the PS5 Pro will help a lot here, but native 4K? Mostly not.
- The GPU will have a clock speed of 2.2 GHz, so even a future "RX 8700 XT" with 54 CUs will have L3 cache and over 800 MHz on the PS5 Pro.
- The CPU will have a slight clock speed bump to 3.8 GHz, but it's still a cutdown and power limited laptop Zen2, so not that fast.
- The CPU is also the reason for a lot of 30 FPS games in the future on consoles, including the PS5 Pro, game logic is a CPU task.
- GPUs do no work without a CPU telling them what to do. Slow CPU = low framerates.
- Upscaling algorithm PSSR to fill in pixels in fake frames is very AI, current year buzz word, much wow. So bored of glorified upscaling.
First off, still waiting on that robo vacuum review. Secondly, At this point it’s definitely worth a look for console players to consider a pc. I mean why not? You get all the games from every console outside of Nintendo. Plus you get to game at native settings if you want a better version of upscaling. All around pc is worth a look at that price range.
lol on the robot vacuum. Yeah I agree. Thanks man!
also since you build pcs you could have given a sneak peak of pc components and the total cost.
I listed a basic PC parts list towards the end of the video. Did you not see it?
I have a gaming rig and a ps5 slim. My rig has more than enough to play any game at 1440p or 4k and most of the time for games I use my base ps5 slim that works just fine :) I don't see a reason for the ps5 pro but to throw away money that I could use on games or eating at a fancy restaurant or take a well deserved vacation :) Sorry but Sony if your hearing me............ Why did you not make the ps5 pro $500 and drop the price of the slim and day one ps5 to $400???? That would have made alot more since!
They already announced it's RDNA 3. They also said it'll run at a slower clock than the 7800xt. It'll be a nerfed 7800xt. Most likely 7700xt performance that trades blows with the 6800.
In my PC parts list towards the end of the video I listed a 7700 XT. Can you provide a link to the article confirming the things you just said? I’m working on a follow up video.
@@ErockOnTech It was a article from months ago. Claiming it was a half step to next gen RT. If I recall it called it RDNA 3.5. Also considering a 6800 over the 6700 it's nowhere near 2-3x RT performance. It would have to be 2nd gen RT cores (RDNA 3).
@@ErockOnTech Hopefully it is RDNA 3.5.🤞
@@ErockOnTech Tried sharing techpowerup article saying it's RDNA 3 with RDNA 4 RT cores from a month ago. Link won't post in reply.
Article is "Sony PlayStation 5 Pro Sketch Surfaces".
It doesn't compare PC will eat it and turn it into a EX2 grenade.
lol 😂
One of the main benefits of PC - games. There are lots of them from different times, they run better, they scale into the future, they are moddable, they can be dirt cheap (I remember buying the first Deus Ex game less than 50 cents on sale and despite its age it's a great game), you don't have to pay for online, Steam is a goated service (ave Lord Gaben), you can multitask on PC, you have more controller options including all the power of mouse and keyboard... It's just good to be on PC. Don't forget that after buying your console you also have to spend money further on and I don't think an average Joe will be replaying one game over and over because he doesn't want to buy another one. PC is freedom and it's good.
Will base ps5 have PSSR? I have a PC/PS4 Pro. If it does I’ll pick up a base PS5. But for $700 I’ll upgrade my PC’s dated CPU and buy a base PS5 if it has PSSR.
Currently content with my OG ps5 and my gaming rig (ryzen 7 5800x, 32GB of RAM, RTX 3060ti) the ps5 pro just isn’t worth it to me for the price 💯
I agree.
Sonys internet page says game need to be pro tuned to get up to 45%
Exactly. I talked about in my video that all these Pro features need to be patched into games.
@@ErockOnTech I know but PS fans dont listenig that small print. And it piss me off. I wait PS pros AI propartys some reason
But did you see that tree in Spider-Man 2 😱
Totally. It really changed my world. My eyes have been opened.
I have been a PC and console gamer for years now and putting a PC in my living room does not work, I have tried it twice. Also there are certain types of games like platformer's and FIFA that i do not want to play on my PC. For me at least i see them as two different animals, they have different vibes and should never be compared.
The reality is everyone's gaming needs are different. We have two builds with 4090's and a 4070 build if I want to play a game on PC I can. The reality is though I gaming is the priority for me and I don't limit myself. My top 5 games this year can not be played on PC & though they may come one day and the last one never will "legally" I'll pick up the pro to replace my current PS5 which I sold for $410 which is a great turn around for thousands of hours of gaming already. An continue to play those games on our 2nd PS5 which we will hand down to our nieces later once the pro comes out to replace both.
I'm not waiting till an undisclosed time 18 months to 2 years to play games I'm looking forward to that I can play today. An honestly if anyone can I think it's pretty obvious they weren't really looking forward to the game in the first place. An that's fun but let's be honest that's the only way you are putting off something you could easily do today when tomorrow is not promised. It means it's not a priority and you don't really care at the end of the day.
I am just like you. I have a 4090 and I just refuse to play old games. If a game is available and I want to play it, I try to find a way to play it. Sony 1st party games have always been Day one purchases for me and I will not wait to play Gta 6. Others can wait while they play old games but that's just not me.
@@TheSoxor123 Exactly, I always tell people if waiting and hoping for the day 18 months to 2 years later works for you by all means but not me 🤣
@@TheRealEnate GTA 6 is a game that moves the needle people can say that they can wait for PC release but once youtube videos and gameplay comes out the FOMO is going to be huge. Try holding out then. I'm not.
for $750(which is roughly the price of a PS5 pro + stand)you can build a PC with an rx 6750XT + ryzen 5 5600/x, this PC can pretty much play any game at 1440p native with optimized settings and get 60+ fps, it would also perform very close to a PS5 pro
For people looking for full builds, can you drop a full parts list here for people to see?
@@ErockOnTech I can. But according to Digital Foundry, PS5 Pro is more similar to Ryzen 5 3600 and RX 7700 XT. The processor is the same (slow) as the PS5 and the GPU is 45% faster. Or you can use Ryzen 5 5500 and RX 6800. They have the same performance as the previous ones. I can share the parts list on pcpartpicker.
The total price is only $723.46.
- AMD Ryzen 5 5500 - $80.05
- Acer Nitro OC Radeon RX 7700 XT 12 GB - $379.99
- Leven JPS600 2 TB M.2-2280 - $94.99
- Silicon Power GAMING 16 GB DDR4-3200 CL16 - $28.96
- ASRock B450M-HDV R4.0 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard - $59.99
- Basic case - $27.49
- Apevia Prestige 600 W 80+ Gold Certified - $51.99
@@JackJohnson-br4qr Thank you for this! It is truly appreciated!
Its better because of the faster CPU. The pro is just a 6750xt with new updcaling/rt which bumps its performance up to a 7700xt
@@EmeraldDreamicpu is fine lol
The big issue in the room is the 3700X is too slow for a RX 6800, the system is CPU bottleneck out of the box. It will do performance level fps at quality level visuals but, only just. It has no room for future game demands at all.
The PS5 Pro is only getting a GPU upgrade and not a CPU upgrade. Therefore, the existing CPU in the PS5 Pro will likely bottlebeck the new GPU. Additionally, they are already saying GTA 6 will run at 30 FPS due to a CPU bottleneck. I covered this in the video. The sources are in the video description. Lastly, I clearly said the PC Part Picker list was not perfect and did not match the PS5 Pro perfectly. The SSD in my list is also inferior to the PS5 Pro. But again, it shows you have options and it shows you can switch to PC gaming without paying $1000.
@@ErockOnTech You misunderstand, I agree with you. I am only putting emphasis on how egregious it is for Sony to release a product that has a very short future without the ability to upgrade as PC can. With a Micro Center near me I am sure I could build a better value PC than A PS5 Pro for about the same money. Their current 9600X bundle is only $349 for the CPU, 32GB RAM , and decent AM5 motherboard. Add in a used 6800 for $300, a $45 650W PSU, and $50 budget case and there you have it at about $850. Another $50 for a $350 used 6800XT and its a higher end mainstream gaming build with the most modern AMD hardware.
@@bodasactra Oh I see. Yes, you are correct. I completely misunderstood that previous comment. My apologies. Thank you for clarifying! Good recommendation on a build by the way.
GPU is based off a RX 7800 XT that's been downclocked, rasterization performance will probably be around RX 7700 XT but yeah, you're right, CPU bottleneck galore.
I think the $700 is a joke lol
Love my gaming PC I built this May, the Ryzen 7 7800x3d cpu with a Radeon RX 7900 GRE 16GB gpu is amazing! I own a PS5, PS4, PS3, and PS Vita too... but not gonna pay no $700 for a console. Sony is smoking crack if they think that's ever happening. lol
i have a good pc. but i was thinking about to get a ps5. but since there are almost no good games on it, i trashed the idea. the whole ps5 pro reveal just put the nail in the coffin for sure.
i wanted to play gran turismo on it. and it would be great to get to play gta6 without waiting.
but just for that its not worth it at all.
if i could get a used standard ps5 for a max of 250 i would get an old one.
the upgrade from the standard to the pro is just not enough to get one at all, even if you dont have anything next gen at all it is a pretty bad deal.
and i think the pro will not get 60fps at any config with gta6. and updates will be stopped after 1/3 of the gta6 lifecycle. rockstar will want to sell the game as many times as possible. and it worked out well for them without a shitstorm at all. they will sell it on ps5 and pro. then they will sell it on pc and they will sell it another time for ps6.
im glad i am old enough to just wait for the gta6 release on pc.
i am still playing games on ps4 sometimes. and i think ps2 ps3 and ps4 are great. but the ps5 era was doomed from the beginning. and the ps5 will not recover anything of that.
for all the people out there who play on consoles. they are great but at this point its really not worth it anymore. the consoles are so pricey its not really aquestion anymore if you should switch to pc or not.
at this rate you only need one console generation to make up with the price. probably not even a full cycle.
building a pc on your own is not that hard. i did it with a tutorial on youtube. and made it work on the first try.
I'm for PC all the way, but understand PC AREN'T for everyone. Consoles are meant to bring convenience and PC is all about freedom. But Sony has made the convenience a LOT LESS accessible and more costly.
You are correct for sure.
You can't get the same level of performance for the price from a PC, unless you already have a decent PC and you only need to upgrade a few parts.
Starting from scratch, there's no way you'll get compatible performance
I’m aware. I never said you could get the same performance for the same price. But with a PC you get a lot more for your money. Consoles keep you as a consumer. You just consume over and over again. A PC allows you to consume and produce. You can create with a PC.
@@ErockOnTech
Computers are nice to have, absolutely. We have several at my house.
I'm not limiting myself to waiting years to play games though. I'd rather buy a relatively cheap PS5 pro, that has performance of a $1000-1200 PC , and play Spiderman 2, Stellar Blade, GTA, and so on, when they release. That's just my opinion
@@B-U-T-C-H-E-Rsomeone made a list and you can buy a brand new PC for a similar 800€ price in Europe.
The pro is kinda overpriced for something that can't even guarantee the 45% GPU increase.
With most games still being on PS4 having a pro variant is kinda pointless.
@@D4C_LoveTrain1
Show me this list
@@paulc5389 Still don't like waiting years for games. Don't like the extra hassle. Microsoft WILL turn windows into a subscription
You went with Ign as Sony pro site really.
It’s what came up during my research.
Look at Digital Foundry's interview with IGN. They believe because of the advanced Ray tracing and DLSS upscaler. It's closer to a RTX 4070
I saw that after I posted this video. I was confused by this interview. Digital foundry has another video on their DF clips channel saying the same thing I said which is a Rx 6800. It seems like they don’t really know either and they are trying to be diplomatic about it. It’s a custom GPU. So to be fair, unless you’re a Sony engineer, you’re not gonna know. It’s all educated guessing.
Pc build stil more than a ps5 pro. As the GPU is not yet tested its hard to know howwell the 7700 performs with the gpu in the ps5 pro whish supposedly has better ray tracing than any amd gpu currently on sale. ps5 pro also has PlayStation Spectral Super Resolution upscaling technology which is not known how well this wil work regarding pc amd cards. best advice is too wait if someone considering a ps5 pro or a pc build around 900. Also you needed to add a 2tb ssd and not a 1tb which wil cost you another 50 bucks more. And the silicon power A60 is only 2200 read speed where the one in the ps5 pro is 5500 speed. over twice as fast. so not all components really equal.
The Radeon RX 6800 is about 16.17 teraflops. Based on what Sony said, I was expecting somewhere between 16 to 17 teraflops.
So overall you think it lines up?
@@ErockOnTech I think so.
So ive actually built my dads rig with a 3080 for 700+ which is a little faster than a 7700xt. So yes it actually can be done. 3080s are pretty cheap to find nowdays 🤷
You also missed out on saying that console are easily moved around then a PC. Must people buy console because not to many wires to hook up. Plug n Play
There is a thing called small form factor PCs.