It doesn't come with a stand, it doesn't come with a disc drive, it doesn't have backwards compatibility, and it hardly has any exclusives. It's an absolute trash system. It's easily $ony's worst console.
Yes ps6 wont be with controller mark my words. Have to buy controller separate for ps6. I remember we got small headphone with ps4. There are scrapping anything for separate sell to make money. Sony is now apple. Charging premium price and offering trash and very tiny upgrade.
I was always getting one regardless, but I’m thinking if Sony is bold enough to price it the way they have and not even include a $1 plastic stand, it has to be a pretty impressive machine. If not, it’s going to get memed on hard for decades to come.
That is the main problem for me. If many games were coming in the future (tlou 3, the factions game, or new ips) if they announced they were bringing back old franchises (sly, Jack, resistance, infamous, Little Big Planet, Killzone), that price could be worth it. People would complain, but consumers will be happy if they have great and consistent entertainment.
@@Kushking_Kraven the point still stands it’s really expensive, £700 is not the same as US$700. $700 is £530 we’re paying an extra $230 or £174 in the UK. For a console with like 3 games, no disc tray and no stand.
My friends, the pre-order price in Brazil is RUMORED to be around $6.999 BRL which equals to $1.230 USD, to play PS4 cross gen games! Sony corporate is INSANE. EDIT: Alright, here are some more real numbers: $699,99USD is around $3.990BRL. The govt. here steals 60% on the price so it goes up around $6.384,00BRL the difference is around $616BRL which equals to $108USD. So $807,99USD to be precise. The Govt is INDEED ripping us off in $419,99USD. Sorry for the wrong numbers there.
yh like this is E3 06 all over again and Im a PS fan with Nintendo! I dont even think Scalpers would dive in this since OG PS5 disaster and they fail scalp sales. They scalp pros they'll be in dirty. Like PlayStation make it reasonable just lower and price reasonable for unneeded hardware. TBH they should wait like 6-8 years for a true pro PS5
The industry needs to admit they have failed at game development. Entire Genres have disappeared. We need Games. We need REASONS to want a new console. They need to look back at the PS1-PS2 game libraries and let those games inspire them and get them back to doing what they did during those eras of games. It worked then, it will work now. We need 2D, 2.5D, 3D, low poly PS1 style, 2d animation style, cell shaded, sports & Xtreme sports we just need GAMES! Sure we have indie games BUT 90% of indie games are only available on PC thru Steam. Consoles have not fully tapped into the indie game world. Sony needs to tap into that indie game market, they need to create a ton of games similar to PS1-PS2 games. It worked then and it will work now. It will always work and it's ridiculous the gaming industry has lost the plot
For real, people forget Nintendo exists and it's so bizarre. They do EVERYTHING people are asking for, I'm on PC, but as far as consoles go, Nintendo is clearly where the fun is at yet people refuse to acknowledge them. If we lose Nintendo too, this future where Sony does this to us will be all we have left.
Sony really expects me to buy a console for 700.00 before taxes, without a disc drive, or just rebuy all my games digitally, buy the stand and say “wow! What a deal!”…talk about completely out of touch with reality. The people defending this system are just as crazy as Sony’s Dollar Store Dana Carvey.
$700, no disc drive, no vertical stand, no bloodborne 60 fps, no skyrim 60 fps, no fallout 60 fps, no gta v 60 fps, no elder scrolls vi 60 fps, no gta vi 60 fps. and yet they're expecting you to buy that thing. they lost their minds.
To be fair, Skyrim IS 60 fps on PS4/Xbox One and PC. And unlike Rockstar, they can't just release a "slightly higher contrast Edition" for PS5/Series X and call it a year, they'd get mocked into Oblivion.
Sony has always sold consoles at a loss, in order to attract people to their platform. They make profits on game sales, and the cost to make the hardware normally decreases over time, making it gradually more profitable. However this time it’s different. Even after 4 years the PS5 is still expensive to make, and it’s not going to get much cheaper. Sony is not making much money on hardware sales. Second, the console market is not growing. The PlayStation 2 sold 150 million units over its lifetime, while the PS4 sold only 100 million. And half of PS4 owners still have not upgraded to PS5. They aren’t attracting enough new players to the brand. Third, games are more expensive to make and they can’t make as many as they used to. So selling the console at a loss in order to drive game sales isn’t working so good anymore. In order to make more profits, Sony need to sell more consoles. So they need to sell to existing PS5 owners. Selling the PS5 Pro at a loss doesn’t make sense. Any PS4 owner who hasn’t upgraded yet because of the price isn’t going to pick an even more premium model. So to make money Sony need to sell the PS5 Pro at a healthy profit. Hence why it’s going to cost around $1000 in Canada. However very few people will buy it because it’s not much better than the original.
Finally someone understanding the dilemma Sony is facing. Expensive games are become a higher risk of failing to make a profit so Sony can't afford to sell consoles at a loss like they have in the past.
@@smidlee7747 they didn't have to make a new console AT ALL. the ps4 was doing amazing and you can't even tell the difference between a ps4 and ps5 when playing
@@smidlee7747that’s because they only make big cinematic games. They need to make more games like astrobot which I assume is more cheaper to make. They need to do something similar to Nintendo which they release and plan multiple games a year
Nobody asked this midgen refreshment, so stop making excuses for Sony. And its been epic fail... I dont know anyone who bought it here in Europe. People have more important things to use their money for than some over expensive plastic box to play ps4 games with. And where are those games they make profits with? 1 first party game in a year will not be enough to keep them or gamers happy
@ I’m not saying it was a good idea. I’m not buying one. I would have waited two more years, extended the life of the PS5. PS5 Pro in 2026, followed by PS6 in 2030.
Here's the thing that nobody at Sony will say out loud. It's the GTA6 machine. They know that many people will be willing to go into debt just to play the best possible version of a game of that magnitude.
@@SPG8989 there might be a small group but what's the point of buying a console just to maybe get a little more frames (which you probably won't, it'll probably be 30 fps even on the pro)
Remember how the PS4 Pro was 400$ at launch? And then PS5 was 500$ at launch, and now we have a Pro version for 700$ Could you imagine the price for the PS6? Actually, Can you imagine them trying to sell the PS6 in general with the lack of noticeable graphical improvements?
you can definitely tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps, but you can barely tell the difference between 1080p and 4k, and ray tracing is a complete waste of system resources.
"Just adjust previous consoles with inflation" Well those consoles had disc drives and stand(my ps4 slim came in with it as a freebie). The ps5 pro came out 4 years of it's run and it's library is pathetic asf
what do you mean the ps5 pro is terrible. do you know how undeniably crucial to the gameplay it is that i can see one of the audience members in ratchet and clank in barely higher detail. how could i live without it!
As someone who normally likes upgraded consoles, $700 plus $80 for a disk drive is bull. That is a stupidly high price for a graphical improvement. Who actually will buy this? Get a regular PS5, you’ll be saving $300 for a better console
Sony lost me a LONG time ago, but honestly, Astro Bot deserves better. Kratos didn't carry them for the past half decade to get locked down onto this... They should give Ratchet and Clank to someone who treats them right, and stop making such "Sony" decisions for ONE generation...
I’m really starting to lose hope I wish they understand that we never asked for a good graphic Of course we don’t want ps1 graphics but still I’m buying the ps to play and have fun not to watch a movie
Sticking to my Regular PS5 (I got the Slim), $700 is absolutely ridiculous and I’m clearly not the target audience for it. I’m getting Astro Bot next week, can’t wait!
idk if you mention it later on but the fact that they region lock games they're releasing on steam to only around 70 countries is insane, they're literally self destructing
0:49 they aren’t out of touch. they just don’t have any serious competition so they feel like they get to do whatever they want. but honestly, sony shouldve just done what dunkey did and lied when showing the photos. they shouldve made the base ps5 graphics noticeably worse so they could trick people into thinking they needed the pro
the factor nintendo switch had a nintendo switch oled that was portable had a better kickstand and a BIGGER SCREEN with grafhic that make a DIFFRENCE JESUS
I have the slim with disc drive. Ill just wait till the price drops and I just might buy the pro later on and put my disc drive on it and sell my slim as digital. My biggest issue is still no major exclusive PS5 games
You think the Slim drive will fit the Pro? You haven't been with Sony for long or you're INCREDIBLY optimistic. I sincerely hope your wish comes true and it does work on the Pro, but please dampen your expectations to avoid complete disappointment.
@@The_Prizessin_der_Verurteilung Of course I already looked into it and the disc drive can fit on the new PS5 Pro no problem. Those who don't have it can buy the same disc drive for 80 dollars. And for the record, I've been a Sony consumer since the 80's walkman cassette era
@@danleonhart1 Nice to hear, knowing Sony, I was sceptical about their disc drives the second they announced the Pro would need an add-on to be honest. I'm still sore over my numerous PlayStation bits being given similar treatment over the years. (I'm still rather salty about the PS Vita too to be completely honest, so I trust Sony about as much as I'd trust a robber with my wallet these days)
@@The_Prizessin_der_Verurteilungyeah don't worry about it, it's the same disc drive. And yes, Sony does overprice everything like their Flag ship Xperia smart phones which costs as much as a laptop, so spend at your discretion. Speaking of the PS Vita though.. word has been going around Sony is making a comeback to the handheld market after the success of their PlayStation portal and other successful handheld gaming consoles on the market. So I'm actually looking forward to what Sony is cooking up. So imagine where we can have PS5 level gameplay on the road!
@@danleonhart1 For sure, I'd love a new handheld from them. Though I'll definitely wait a year or so to see how they handle it first. I don't even mind if they had proprietary memory cards or something, as long as they're not too expensive and they actually support it this time. The PSP set the groundwork for something big, the Vita could've been so much more and I think that's what gets me the most about how they treated it. If they gave us things like Ratchet and Clank on the go, even different versions of games like how they did God of War Chains of Olympus on PSP specifically for a new handheld, I'd absolutely buy it for those.
2:00 - the disc drive is louder then it has any right to be, otherwise it's a solid console. 99% of this generation runs on the ps4... the ps5 pro makes no sense with that in mind. 6:50 - the target audience is their biggest fans. Half of their gamers are still on ps4. They are not buying a ps5 pro. which is also why the no disc drive is so insane.
What i really want is a game like Breath of the wild where graphics takes a back seat and gameplay takes priority, Imagine if Rdr2 was less focused on graphics and more on npc and environments. can you imagine how big and dense the map could have been ?
Playstation fans: We need more first party games, yk, stuff to play? Sony: Oh what's that? $700-$800 console?? Also side note at (8:52) I didn't even realize the PS Portal was a thing...
"Someone with perfect vision can't tell the difference between a 65 inch 1080p and 4k TV when sitting 10 feet away; only at 8 feet and closer you start to notice the finer details on a 4k TV." According to the chart a 98 inch TV you will noticed the details of 4k within 12 feet.
I paid 700 dollars for my ps5 with tax, (in the us) and cause i had to get that god of war ragnarok controller, but that paid itself off in worth so...
In the games I've tested, I see no graphical difference between fidelity and performance modes. However it's a night and day difference between 30fps and 60fps. 60fps is a necessity.
I remain uncertain about the value proposition of the PS5 Pro particularly considering its high cost for seemingly minor enhancements. The only plausible scenario I can envisage for someone to invest in a PS5 Pro is if they have surplus funds readily available and do not yet own any version of the PS5. This might apply to professional gamers who one would assume should already possess a PS5 given that gaming is their livelihood. However if for some reason they do not own a PS5 and have the necessary funds they might consider purchasing a PS5 Pro. Yet this still appears excessively costly as the total expenditure inclusive of all accessories could range from $800 to $1000 depending on the retailer. This is a substantial amount to spend on a console and its accompanying accessories which are intended to enhance the overall user experience. It's worth noting that no gaming platform should command such a high price with the possible exception of a PC given its upgradeable nature. However even PCs are costly. At this juncture it may be more prudent to invest in a PC. For those who already own a PS5 or a PS5 Slim I struggle to identify a compelling reason to upgrade to the PS5 Pro. The existing models already deliver exceptional performance impressive graphics and swift loading times. Therefore I fail to see any significant shortcomings with the current PS5 and PS5 Slim that would necessitate an upgrade. To the best of my knowledge game developers for PlayStation have not yet fully utilized the gaming power potential of the PS5 and 5 Slim. Both consoles exhibit similar performance and graphics capabilities with the only discernible difference being the size of the platform consoles. Given this one might question the necessity of producing another console if the full power of the existing ones has not been exploited. At present the rationale behind such a decision remains unclear. However it is possible that the new console could offer an unprecedented gaming experience that we are currently unaware of. Despite this possibility I remain skeptical and would prefer to see a comprehensive review from a seasoned gamer before making a judgment on its worth. Regarding the $700 price point one of the primary contributing factors is the inclusion of a 2 terabyte storage card chip that comes pre-installed with the console. However I find it hard to believe that this alone justifies such a high price. Furthermore the console is digital-only necessitating the additional purchase of a disk drive which I find to be an inconvenience. In my opinion the overall value proposition of this console appears questionable.
@@LincolnNicholson-i1f I already have one, the only reason I buy consoles is for exclusives, and there aren't really any that make the Xbox or PS5 worth it to me, the price just makes it even less appealing and stops me from buying one even if it had good exclusives
Why bother buying a console when just 2-3 years after a revised and slightly improved version of it will launch as well? It's baffling to see them so out of touch with reality.
Fidelity mode is just a slight upgrade on the Pro and on the OG PS5 only difference is on the Pro you’ll get 60fps maybe depends on developers. To my eye there is a difference but you gotta get very close to your tv just to see it. From 5 feet away you won’t see any difference and I tested this on a 65” tv which should be big enough to see the quality differences.
You would think I would complain about the price, but no. The reason being is because I bought a gaming laptop (ASUS Rog Strix Scar 15 with an RTX 3080 graphics card and 32 GB of RAM) during the PS5 shortage. The laptop cost me $3000. Also seeing as how PS5 games get ported to PC and online still free, there's really no reason for me to get a PS5. Sure PC has it's disadvantages, but I can live with that. Also I do own a PS5 controller and there are steam games that do support the haptic feedback. So yeah, I'll pass on the PS5 Pro.
I hit play on the video while my phone auto played music to my headphones and i thought it intro to the video for a solid minute, the song was "A couple of times a year", and I just assumed it was meaning sony taking ur whole paycheck lol
Its a premium product for a select few people who want the best and are willing to pay money for it. We pay 1500 euros for a Iphone Pro or even more for a Nvidia Geforce 4090. Same shit thanks to covid. The only thing that sucks is the diskdrive that should be included at that price point. Mark my words, people will buy this.
I bought a PS5 earlier this year...replayed a few games...and then played 2 new games...and then never picked it up again. I'm sure there are other games I would have fun playing...but I had zero interest in seeking them out. I sold the PS5 and will put those dollars towards the Switch 2. No regrets.
In before you make a console without a disc drive and make me basically panic about the prospect of getting a standard PS5 used on sale someday...great job Sony.
Yes, we are the problem, and unfortunately, this console is selling very well, so Sony can charge up another arm and a leg for the PS6. When it comes out, I'm gonna fortunately, buy this just because I want to know how powerful this console is compared to the Xbox Series X. If this console doesn't even stock up compared to the graphics on my other console. I don't know what Sony is doing cuz. That's an older model, and you're telling me the newer model of your console can't even compare to your competitors. That's the reason why I'm getting it. Also, I'm done buying playstations. So this is going to last me for the rest of my life until it eventually dies. Cuz, you know, all consoles, do 1 day, stop working. Cause I am done with dealing with Sony's bull poop. It's garbage how they act
eyy on the bright side the standard ps5 is now, not only cheaper, but more value for money since it comes with buth a disk drive AND vertical stand maybe thats the point here
So instead of the pro why don’t developers just lessen the amount of graphical fidelity? You can make beautiful games but less massive and with less trillions of particle effects Cause thank you for your take cause I don’t even notice the true difference in performance vs fidelity mode graphic wise. Like I don’t care how ultra realistic the graphics are, I cannot bring myself go back to SM2 cause the story just isn’t it so why would “better” visuals make me wanna die play again And I don’t care who you are but you can’t even consistently notice the difference in graphics compared from the pro to the base ps5. None of those comparison vids either, nobody is honestly saying “WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU CANT SEE THE DIFFERENCE “
I thought players used performance mode literally for that. Lower res higher frame rate? Will the pro make the games that support 120fps better then? As far as i know nobody gives a fk if you can see extra blades of grass ,a few leaves and strands of hair? Storage I get is expensive, genuinely thought players wanted better frame rate than fidelity? Your normal ps5 is fine.
PS5 Pro is a classic case of wasted potential in which an otherwise decent concept is getting sent out the production halls with too many unpleasant compromises on the way. Could have been a good product if only it contained the disc drive out of the box and were about 10-15% cheaper. But it looks like Sony is done taking risks on development time and bold pricing in our high inflation climate. I can't blame them. But this is exactly the environment in which such a product will just rot in warehouses, no matter how shiny Spiderman looks on it. I'd have saved my breath for PS6.
700 Dollars for a system that doesn’t even come with the stand is wild.
It doesn't come with a stand, it doesn't come with a disc drive, it doesn't have backwards compatibility, and it hardly has any exclusives. It's an absolute trash system. It's easily $ony's worst console.
Yes ps6 wont be with controller mark my words. Have to buy controller separate for ps6. I remember we got small headphone with ps4. There are scrapping anything for separate sell to make money. Sony is now apple. Charging premium price and offering trash and very tiny upgrade.
I was always getting one regardless, but I’m thinking if Sony is bold enough to price it the way they have and not even include a $1 plastic stand, it has to be a pretty impressive machine. If not, it’s going to get memed on hard for decades to come.
@@gamingguy8595 next Sony branded piece of cloth to clean your console 50$ 😝😝
@@haylonixthe glazing, no they just want to charge you more.
Somebody at Nintendo predicted this dilemma decades ago.
The times, where you could hook people with better graphics alone, are over.
Especially since all the graphics guys moved to PC by like 2018 atleast
People: We want new fun games to play!
Sony: F*CK YOU, PAY ME
Sony: pay me 800$ so I will give u remasters and remakes.
People paid 1k for resold consoles. Sony saw that.
Difference now is everybody’s not stuck in their homes 24/7
@@canonbeckettand that there are no more microchip shortages.
@@ojl392This is the only proof that sony is greedy . There is no longer micro ship shortage so why ps5 still cost 550euros
Sony getting tricked again into thinking that scalped hardware numbers will translate to software ownership is going to be so fucking funny.
On top of the $700 and no stand.. there's also no games worth the upgrade.
That is the main problem for me. If many games were coming in the future (tlou 3, the factions game, or new ips) if they announced they were bringing back old franchises (sly, Jack, resistance, infamous, Little Big Planet, Killzone), that price could be worth it. People would complain, but consumers will be happy if they have great and consistent entertainment.
I’m sure in the next 5 years Sony will release plenty of games that take advantage of the extra hardware.
Sony is shitting themselves
@@bfhandsomeface409 probably they are going to re-release concord on it. I can wait
@@bfhandsomeface409we already over the half way line by the time any come out the ps6 will be here 😂
Imagine release a console...but no games to justify its existence
It costs $930 usd in the uk for a console without a stand or disc tray.
Y'all do know all currency is equal out money is worth more than the other countries it why the price is different
@@Kushking_Kraven the point still stands it’s really expensive, £700 is not the same as US$700. $700 is £530 we’re paying an extra $230 or £174 in the UK.
For a console with like 3 games, no disc tray and no stand.
@@LuketomIt is honestly baffling to have to pay more when your currency is actually more valuable.
@@justarandomtomato_ it sucks, idk why anyone would buy a PlayStation in the UK games also cost £70 ($93US).
My friends, the pre-order price in Brazil is RUMORED to be around $6.999 BRL which equals to $1.230 USD, to play PS4 cross gen games! Sony corporate is INSANE.
EDIT:
Alright, here are some more real numbers: $699,99USD is around $3.990BRL. The govt. here steals 60% on the price so it goes up around $6.384,00BRL the difference is around $616BRL which equals to $108USD. So $807,99USD to be precise. The Govt is INDEED ripping us off in $419,99USD. Sorry for the wrong numbers there.
>An upgrade that forces you to buy a disc drive separately.
My mans they reinvented the Sega CD
Ha! Nice one 😂
😂
Concord situation: It's so over
Astro bot release: We are so back!
Ps5 pro announcement: IT'S SO OVER
yh like this is E3 06 all over again and Im a PS fan with Nintendo!
I dont even think Scalpers would dive in this since OG PS5 disaster and they fail scalp sales. They scalp pros they'll be in dirty. Like PlayStation make it reasonable just lower and price reasonable for unneeded hardware. TBH they should wait like 6-8 years for a true pro PS5
And now
New UI and themes : We are maybe back ?
The industry needs to admit they have failed at game development. Entire Genres have disappeared. We need Games. We need REASONS to want a new console. They need to look back at the PS1-PS2 game libraries and let those games inspire them and get them back to doing what they did during those eras of games. It worked then, it will work now. We need 2D, 2.5D, 3D, low poly PS1 style, 2d animation style, cell shaded, sports & Xtreme sports we just need GAMES! Sure we have indie games BUT 90% of indie games are only available on PC thru Steam. Consoles have not fully tapped into the indie game world. Sony needs to tap into that indie game market, they need to create a ton of games similar to PS1-PS2 games. It worked then and it will work now. It will always work and it's ridiculous the gaming industry has lost the plot
Nintendo is doing everything you just mentioned.
The erasure of Nintendo's existence by the internet is wild.
For real, people forget Nintendo exists and it's so bizarre.
They do EVERYTHING people are asking for, I'm on PC, but as far as consoles go, Nintendo is clearly where the fun is at yet people refuse to acknowledge them.
If we lose Nintendo too, this future where Sony does this to us will be all we have left.
@@HebrewGamer100
Exactly.
@@The_Prizessin_der_Verurteilung
Because Nintendo isn't "mature" enough for them.
I'm amazed that they're asking for $700 without even including the smaller touches like a stand or lube
Sony really expects me to buy a console for 700.00 before taxes, without a disc drive, or just rebuy all my games digitally, buy the stand and say “wow! What a deal!”…talk about completely out of touch with reality.
The people defending this system are just as crazy as Sony’s Dollar Store Dana Carvey.
Might as well build a computer at this point.
"playstation 5 pro" SONY JUST SHUT UP FOR A MOMENT AND ACTUALLY MAKE GAMES FOR YOUR CONSOLE
Play 8,500 PS4 games on PS5 pro with Advance Ray tracing
If they start rushing I don't want to hear you whine about how rushed it is
They have a shit ton of games, it’s Xbox which lacks them
@PrabhuPrabhu-ui4bk if they actually retroactively put ray tracing into ps4 games that would be huge!
But I don't think they will
@@PufflePufflePuffle As do PS does with them going to pc
$700, no disc drive, no vertical stand, no bloodborne 60 fps, no skyrim 60 fps, no fallout 60 fps, no gta v 60 fps, no elder scrolls vi 60 fps, no gta vi 60 fps. and yet they're expecting you to buy that thing. they lost their minds.
To be fair, Skyrim IS 60 fps on PS4/Xbox One and PC. And unlike Rockstar, they can't just release a "slightly higher contrast Edition" for PS5/Series X and call it a year, they'd get mocked into Oblivion.
Sony has always sold consoles at a loss, in order to attract people to their platform. They make profits on game sales, and the cost to make the hardware normally decreases over time, making it gradually more profitable.
However this time it’s different. Even after 4 years the PS5 is still expensive to make, and it’s not going to get much cheaper. Sony is not making much money on hardware sales.
Second, the console market is not growing. The PlayStation 2 sold 150 million units over its lifetime, while the PS4 sold only 100 million. And half of PS4 owners still have not upgraded to PS5. They aren’t attracting enough new players to the brand.
Third, games are more expensive to make and they can’t make as many as they used to. So selling the console at a loss in order to drive game sales isn’t working so good anymore.
In order to make more profits, Sony need to sell more consoles. So they need to sell to existing PS5 owners. Selling the PS5 Pro at a loss doesn’t make sense. Any PS4 owner who hasn’t upgraded yet because of the price isn’t going to pick an even more premium model.
So to make money Sony need to sell the PS5 Pro at a healthy profit. Hence why it’s going to cost around $1000 in Canada. However very few people will buy it because it’s not much better than the original.
Finally someone understanding the dilemma Sony is facing. Expensive games are become a higher risk of failing to make a profit so Sony can't afford to sell consoles at a loss like they have in the past.
@@smidlee7747 they didn't have to make a new console AT ALL. the ps4 was doing amazing and you can't even tell the difference between a ps4 and ps5 when playing
@@smidlee7747that’s because they only make big cinematic games. They need to make more games like astrobot which I assume is more cheaper to make. They need to do something similar to Nintendo which they release and plan multiple games a year
Nobody asked this midgen refreshment, so stop making excuses for Sony. And its been epic fail... I dont know anyone who bought it here in Europe. People have more important things to use their money for than some over expensive plastic box to play ps4 games with.
And where are those games they make profits with? 1 first party game in a year will not be enough to keep them or gamers happy
@ I’m not saying it was a good idea. I’m not buying one. I would have waited two more years, extended the life of the PS5. PS5 Pro in 2026, followed by PS6 in 2030.
Here's the thing that nobody at Sony will say out loud. It's the GTA6 machine. They know that many people will be willing to go into debt just to play the best possible version of a game of that magnitude.
I don't think anyone is paying 700 dollars to play a slightly better version of GTA 6 (if it even runs it at better fps at all)
@@bluetigergaming-roblox3351 I doubt it will even push frame rates that much. GTA is bound (pun intended) to be CPU limited.
At 30fps still. 😂
@@SPG8989 there might be a small group but what's the point of buying a console just to maybe get a little more frames (which you probably won't, it'll probably be 30 fps even on the pro)
"The best possible version of a game of that magnitude"
(Pc players laughing in the background)
Scalpers are already buying up all the ps5 disc drives.
You forgot that we had to pay to play online
We could've went another 4 to 5 years with One X and PS4 pro. I kid you not.
Nintendo gonna steal the show with thw switch 2
You bet they will. Sony is going to have egg on their face for at least 3 years.
If Nintendo were to drop Mario Kart 9 it would sell more than the next PS.
You know you're cooked when the Sega 32x had about the same amount of exclusives.
Remember how the PS4 Pro was 400$ at launch?
And then PS5 was 500$ at launch, and now we have a Pro version for 700$
Could you imagine the price for the PS6?
Actually, Can you imagine them trying to sell the PS6 in general with the lack of noticeable graphical improvements?
The funny thing is, here in my country, they open pre-order for PS5 Pro at a price of 975 USD (+117 USD for disc drive)
Wow
I’m in the market to buy my first PS and I can tell you, I’m not paying extra 400€ for the Pro… as it costs 850€ in my country.
PS5 = quieter, faster PS4
Some people are so brain dead it is astonishing
It’s insane how well your last Ps video aged🤣. A year later and they’re still charging outrageous prices and offering barely any games
you can definitely tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps, but you can barely tell the difference between 1080p and 4k, and ray tracing is a complete waste of system resources.
What size screen are you on that you can barely tell a difference between 1080p and 4k?
4k and 1080p is a huge gap dude
I think 1440p and 2160p(4K) be much closer
No disc drive, no stand, no games
"Just adjust previous consoles with inflation"
Well those consoles had disc drives and stand(my ps4 slim came in with it as a freebie). The ps5 pro came out 4 years of it's run and it's library is pathetic asf
suprisingly, if somebody isnt making an "attaching 37 disc drives to a ps5 pro" video, the disc drives are sold out.
what do you mean the ps5 pro is terrible. do you know how undeniably crucial to the gameplay it is that i can see one of the audience members in ratchet and clank in barely higher detail. how could i live without it!
In Australia it's 1200 dollars, with the disc drive it's 1360, i built my PC brand new for that
It's a scam here mate
As someone who normally likes upgraded consoles, $700 plus $80 for a disk drive is bull. That is a stupidly high price for a graphical improvement. Who actually will buy this? Get a regular PS5, you’ll be saving $300 for a better console
The Series X is $500 and more powerful than the PS5 Pro. I wish I was kidding.
Al I need to see is gta 6 gameplay on it and then I’ll determine its worth
Well, keep in mind Sony only upgraded the GPU in the PS5 Pro, so the performance of the game won’t necessarily change.
@@lennywright5655they really really shot themselves in the head by not upgrading the cpu
@@lennywright5655am happy I got the slim lil bro
Do you think Sony and Microsoft should leave the video game space at this point?
The less people buy this means Sony will put less effort into their pro versions of games. Time to boycott!
Sony lost me a LONG time ago, but honestly, Astro Bot deserves better.
Kratos didn't carry them for the past half decade to get locked down onto this...
They should give Ratchet and Clank to someone who treats them right, and stop making such "Sony" decisions for ONE generation...
I’m really starting to lose hope
I wish they understand that we never asked for a good graphic
Of course we don’t want ps1 graphics but still I’m buying the ps to play and have fun not to watch a movie
They really think they're apple
Let’s face it. The only reason this console exist to for GTA6.
Lmao probably, It wouldn’t surprise me if Microsoft comes out with a new version of the Series X after the game releases.
@@coal4208doubtful the x is already strong enough
Sticking to my Regular PS5 (I got the Slim), $700 is absolutely ridiculous and I’m clearly not the target audience for it.
I’m getting Astro Bot next week, can’t wait!
idk if you mention it later on but the fact that they region lock games they're releasing on steam to only around 70 countries is insane, they're literally self destructing
I don't have a 4ktv. The performance and graphics mode look EXACTLY THE SAME. Objectively, even staring into the scanlines
800€ + 130€ for Diskdrive + 30€ for stand = 950€😅
and to think the original digital was like 300 or something hahaha
@@blinkspacestudio8892 not in Europe / Germany
as far as I remember
Maybe close to €400 for special deals
6:41 Why you not get the bot?
This is one expensive air purifier
$800 with no disk drive not worth it
A see a lot of people switching to the switch after this
0:49 they aren’t out of touch. they just don’t have any serious competition so they feel like they get to do whatever they want. but honestly, sony shouldve just done what dunkey did and lied when showing the photos. they shouldve made the base ps5 graphics noticeably worse so they could trick people into thinking they needed the pro
the factor nintendo switch had a nintendo switch oled that was portable had a better kickstand and a BIGGER SCREEN with grafhic that make a DIFFRENCE JESUS
I have the slim with disc drive. Ill just wait till the price drops and I just might buy the pro later on and put my disc drive on it and sell my slim as digital. My biggest issue is still no major exclusive PS5 games
You think the Slim drive will fit the Pro?
You haven't been with Sony for long or you're INCREDIBLY optimistic.
I sincerely hope your wish comes true and it does work on the Pro, but please dampen your expectations to avoid complete disappointment.
@@The_Prizessin_der_Verurteilung Of course I already looked into it and the disc drive can fit on the new PS5 Pro no problem. Those who don't have it can buy the same disc drive for 80 dollars. And for the record, I've been a Sony consumer since the 80's walkman cassette era
@@danleonhart1 Nice to hear, knowing Sony, I was sceptical about their disc drives the second they announced the Pro would need an add-on to be honest.
I'm still sore over my numerous PlayStation bits being given similar treatment over the years. (I'm still rather salty about the PS Vita too to be completely honest, so I trust Sony about as much as I'd trust a robber with my wallet these days)
@@The_Prizessin_der_Verurteilungyeah don't worry about it, it's the same disc drive. And yes, Sony does overprice everything like their Flag ship Xperia smart phones which costs as much as a laptop, so spend at your discretion. Speaking of the PS Vita though.. word has been going around Sony is making a comeback to the handheld market after the success of their PlayStation portal and other successful handheld gaming consoles on the market. So I'm actually looking forward to what Sony is cooking up. So imagine where we can have PS5 level gameplay on the road!
@@danleonhart1 For sure, I'd love a new handheld from them. Though I'll definitely wait a year or so to see how they handle it first.
I don't even mind if they had proprietary memory cards or something, as long as they're not too expensive and they actually support it this time. The PSP set the groundwork for something big, the Vita could've been so much more and I think that's what gets me the most about how they treated it.
If they gave us things like Ratchet and Clank on the go, even different versions of games like how they did God of War Chains of Olympus on PSP specifically for a new handheld, I'd absolutely buy it for those.
2:00 - the disc drive is louder then it has any right to be, otherwise it's a solid console. 99% of this generation runs on the ps4... the ps5 pro makes no sense with that in mind.
6:50 - the target audience is their biggest fans. Half of their gamers are still on ps4. They are not buying a ps5 pro. which is also why the no disc drive is so insane.
What i really want is a game like Breath of the wild where graphics takes a back seat and gameplay takes priority, Imagine if Rdr2 was less focused on graphics and more on npc and environments. can you imagine how big and dense the map could have been ?
Playstation fans: We need more first party games, yk, stuff to play?
Sony: Oh what's that? $700-$800 console??
Also side note at (8:52) I didn't even realize the PS Portal was a thing...
200-300 extra dollars for 20 more pixels. yay...
I think sony is in cahoots with scalpers. The ps1 colored ps5 model is sold out and scalpers are charging $5,000.
Youre not gonna notice the difference with a 40" 4k TV. You have to go like 60inch.
What if I have an 98 inch
"Someone with perfect vision can't tell the difference between a 65 inch 1080p and 4k TV when sitting 10 feet away; only at 8 feet and closer you start to notice the finer details on a 4k TV."
According to the chart a 98 inch TV you will noticed the details of 4k within 12 feet.
@@heyolorenns u packin w that sausage
With a 27in monitor , literally kiss the screen.
I don’t know how they did it they somehow made a device worse than the PS Portal.
In the UK it’s £699, equivalent to $887!
i went and ordered online the ps5 slim phisical edition because of ps5 pro, im sure their planning on stop producing the disc versions of the ps5
I paid 700 dollars for my ps5 with tax, (in the us) and cause i had to get that god of war ragnarok controller, but that paid itself off in worth so...
they released PS5 pro for ONE reason only ..... they want moree money.
This thing is about 12k+ or summ in my currency 💀
The regular PS5 is already 6k to 8k in my country already..... Everything is just hella expensive
In the games I've tested, I see no graphical difference between fidelity and performance modes. However it's a night and day difference between 30fps and 60fps. 60fps is a necessity.
There are so many PS5 features that NO games use. I don’t know why no games use them
I remain uncertain about the value proposition of the PS5 Pro particularly considering its high cost for seemingly minor enhancements. The only plausible scenario I can envisage for someone to invest in a PS5 Pro is if they have surplus funds readily available and do not yet own any version of the PS5. This might apply to professional gamers who one would assume should already possess a PS5 given that gaming is their livelihood.
However if for some reason they do not own a PS5 and have the necessary funds they might consider purchasing a PS5 Pro. Yet this still appears excessively costly as the total expenditure inclusive of all accessories could range from $800 to $1000 depending on the retailer. This is a substantial amount to spend on a console and its accompanying accessories which are intended to enhance the overall user experience.
It's worth noting that no gaming platform should command such a high price with the possible exception of a PC given its upgradeable nature. However even PCs are costly. At this juncture it may be more prudent to invest in a PC.
For those who already own a PS5 or a PS5 Slim I struggle to identify a compelling reason to upgrade to the PS5 Pro. The existing models already deliver exceptional performance impressive graphics and swift loading times. Therefore I fail to see any significant shortcomings with the current PS5 and PS5 Slim that would necessitate an upgrade. To the best of my knowledge game developers for PlayStation have not yet fully utilized the gaming power potential of the PS5 and 5 Slim. Both consoles exhibit similar performance and graphics capabilities with the only discernible difference being the size of the platform consoles. Given this one might question the necessity of producing another console if the full power of the existing ones has not been exploited. At present the rationale behind such a decision remains unclear. However it is possible that the new console could offer an unprecedented gaming experience that we are currently unaware of. Despite this possibility I remain skeptical and would prefer to see a comprehensive review from a seasoned gamer before making a judgment on its worth.
Regarding the $700 price point one of the primary contributing factors is the inclusion of a 2 terabyte storage card chip that comes pre-installed with the console. However I find it hard to believe that this alone justifies such a high price. Furthermore the console is digital-only necessitating the additional purchase of a disk drive which I find to be an inconvenience. In my opinion the overall value proposition of this console appears questionable.
Then there is the issue of how previous consoles take up too much storage space now...and that's just a small part of the issue they say
Charging 800 dollars for such minor changes is ridiculous lol
Remember, the PS5 Pro needs to fail for the PS6 to succeed. Sony can’t continue pulling this crap or they are going to ruin everything.
Like how 2006 PS3 was the fall guy for 2010 PS3
The Pro here in Australia is $1200, it could be the best console ever made with games that make you see God and I still wouldn't pay that much
Save up for a pc best option for gaming and more games than the ps and xbox consoles combined
@@LincolnNicholson-i1f I already have one, the only reason I buy consoles is for exclusives, and there aren't really any that make the Xbox or PS5 worth it to me, the price just makes it even less appealing and stops me from buying one even if it had good exclusives
Why bother buying a console when just 2-3 years after a revised and slightly improved version of it will launch as well? It's baffling to see them so out of touch with reality.
In Europe its 900eur which is around 1100$.
Sony's trying really hard to be apple
They love to lose money
The 9th gen equivalent to 3DO
Fidelity mode is just a slight upgrade on the Pro and on the OG PS5 only difference is on the Pro you’ll get 60fps maybe depends on developers. To my eye there is a difference but you gotta get very close to your tv just to see it. From 5 feet away you won’t see any difference and I tested this on a 65” tv which should be big enough to see the quality differences.
You would think I would complain about the price, but no. The reason being is because I bought a gaming laptop (ASUS Rog Strix Scar 15 with an RTX 3080 graphics card and 32 GB of RAM) during the PS5 shortage. The laptop cost me $3000. Also seeing as how PS5 games get ported to PC and online still free, there's really no reason for me to get a PS5. Sure PC has it's disadvantages, but I can live with that. Also I do own a PS5 controller and there are steam games that do support the haptic feedback. So yeah, I'll pass on the PS5 Pro.
I hit play on the video while my phone auto played music to my headphones and i thought it intro to the video for a solid minute, the song was "A couple of times a year", and I just assumed it was meaning sony taking ur whole paycheck lol
This wasn’t the definition of “mid generation console” I thought they’d go with
I always preferred playing in quality mode because I like graphics more
Unreal how well your last video aged
Having the option how to play is good though. Why would they do this to remove?
Meanwhile I am quite pleased to be just about to upgrade to Pro... I mean PS4 Pro, obviously.
Its a premium product for a select few people who want the best and are willing to pay money for it.
We pay 1500 euros for a Iphone Pro or even more for a Nvidia Geforce 4090. Same shit thanks to covid.
The only thing that sucks is the diskdrive that should be included at that price point.
Mark my words, people will buy this.
I thought you were putting that voice on
No stand or disk drive and crappy games for $700? Thats a no from me dawg. Pc it is then
They must scam back the money they lost on concord.
I bought a PS5 earlier this year...replayed a few games...and then played 2 new games...and then never picked it up again. I'm sure there are other games I would have fun playing...but I had zero interest in seeking them out. I sold the PS5 and will put those dollars towards the Switch 2. No regrets.
In before you make a console without a disc drive and make me basically panic about the prospect of getting a standard PS5 used on sale someday...great job Sony.
Maybe Sony is testing the market if they'll accept a piece meal of a console for their PS6.
Yes, we are the problem, and unfortunately, this console is selling very well, so Sony can charge up another arm and a leg for the PS6. When it comes out, I'm gonna fortunately, buy this just because I want to know how powerful this console is compared to the Xbox Series X. If this console doesn't even stock up compared to the graphics on my other console. I don't know what Sony is doing cuz. That's an older model, and you're telling me the newer model of your console can't even compare to your competitors. That's the reason why I'm getting it. Also, I'm done buying playstations. So this is going to last me for the rest of my life until it eventually dies. Cuz, you know, all consoles, do 1 day, stop working. Cause I am done with dealing with Sony's bull poop. It's garbage how they act
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on the bright side
the standard ps5 is now, not only cheaper, but more value for money
since it comes with buth a disk drive AND vertical stand
maybe thats the point here
So instead of the pro why don’t developers just lessen the amount of graphical fidelity? You can make beautiful games but less massive and with less trillions of particle effects
Cause thank you for your take cause I don’t even notice the true difference in performance vs fidelity mode graphic wise. Like I don’t care how ultra realistic the graphics are, I cannot bring myself go back to SM2 cause the story just isn’t it so why would “better” visuals make me wanna die play again
And I don’t care who you are but you can’t even consistently notice the difference in graphics compared from the pro to the base ps5. None of those comparison vids either, nobody is honestly saying “WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU CANT SEE THE DIFFERENCE “
I thought players used performance mode literally for that. Lower res higher frame rate?
Will the pro make the games that support 120fps better then?
As far as i know nobody gives a fk if you can see extra blades of grass ,a few leaves and strands of hair?
Storage I get is expensive, genuinely thought players wanted better frame rate than fidelity?
Your normal ps5 is fine.
Sony: Making gamess, What a concept?!
PS5 Pro is a classic case of wasted potential in which an otherwise decent concept is getting sent out the production halls with too many unpleasant compromises on the way. Could have been a good product if only it contained the disc drive out of the box and were about 10-15% cheaper. But it looks like Sony is done taking risks on development time and bold pricing in our high inflation climate. I can't blame them. But this is exactly the environment in which such a product will just rot in warehouses, no matter how shiny Spiderman looks on it. I'd have saved my breath for PS6.
🤔 You know for $700 you could get a standard PS5 (with a disc drive!) and a PlayStation Portal, or Nintendo Switch Lite 😉
Yeah I feel even more motivated to buy my PC and build it myself
i hope to not see a day where sony is going to charge 20 bucks for power cables which should come as standard.
Plus HDMI lead ..