Linked brakes? I don't think applying the front brake also actuates the rear. They are separate systems. The rear wheel sensor, linked to the motor control, helps prevent rear wheel slip while decelerating, but front brake application does not apply rear brake, nor does rear brake apply front, as in a linked system found on some bikes. Regarding the lowside protection, too much lean angle, cold tires, accelerating while adding lean, slick surface at lean, etc. grip is exceeded, the tires will slide out; lowside. The cornering ABS will help reduce locking up the brakes while at lean angle, as in the final video clip, helping reduce that type of lowside, but there are many other causes of lowsides not protected against. Rider education and skill are still the only solution to preventing lowsides. Like you said ... can't fix stupid.
Great little insight Jack. My LW is the first bike I’ve owned with such a system and it amazes me how often I realise the system has overridden my dumb inputs!
I'm a very experienced rider. Up until BOSCH MSC, I felt that ABS brakes and traction control were in the way most of the time and that I had better control without the nanny controls. My first bike with MSC was a 2020 Kawasaki Z H2. The bike was not available without it. I was amazed from the start. As an example, the bike feeds in rear brake all by itself when you're trail-braking in corners (applying only the front brake). I'm a believer now. MSC handles the throttle and brakes better than I could on my best day. I works best on LiveWire because of the instant torque and throttle response. You get the power of the Hulk along with the dexterity of Spider-Man!...
@@freedomiseverything Where can I find documentation/description about the H2 linked brake system? Searched for it and could not find. Same about the LiveWire. I may be wrong, but I could find nothing about it. Linked brakes explained here: ua-cam.com/video/w6AO8GQ-1wU/v-deo.html
I can't help wondering if that wasn't exacerbated by the first bike cutting back in front of him and braking heavily, just before the corner. The overtaking rider rode into his line.
Shit doesn’t always work, I was taking a left turn from a stop, I saw what looked like oil on the ground, no problem I said, I got around the turn and thought I was ok … and then felt my rear tire start to slip and before I could think, I can control the bike, bam, me and my Livewire are sliding down the street on our left sides, the Livewire in front of me, me sliding feet first down the street … I had my Alpinestars airbag on and it never deployed, I think I was doing maybe 15 to 25 mph … my bike was in the shop for a year waiting on the left frame … ended up taking a loss and trading in the damaged bike for a used one with 260 miles on it. Luckily I had some gear on and was able to pickup bike and ride it to the Harley Davidson service department for repairs. Just be careful out there.
Wow that crash at the end is harrowing to watch. Looks like he probably broke his ankle, nearly got run over by the car and then probably got tossed into the trees. Not fun.
Great system; very well explained. Every motorised two-wheeler should have the MSC! That would/may also bring down the licencing and development fees...?
It's all about the adrenaline. My wife dropped my LiveWire in the driveway right after we got it. She only weighs 120 lbs. It was amazing to see how fast she picked it up!...
Posting up a video of riders riding at excessive speeds, most likely on Deals Gap, and they crashing indicates those riders were riding beyond their skill level. They'd be better off riding in their skill level instead of depending on technology to save their butts.
I just hit 1 year of riding a motorcycle and it's been such a fun year with it! I dropped my LiveWire after successfully evading a car coming at me that jumped a curb and forgot to put my foot down after stopping lol. The MSF course was very helpful with learning progressive braking and emergency swerving. I have not uploaded my part 1 review of my HD LiveWire. I'd appreciate your thoughts on the video if you can ua-cam.com/video/yAz0_2s8LGw/v-deo.html
I enjoyed your video and am anxiously awaiting Part 2. However, I think your channel should specialize on electric vehicles. The other topics are unrelated and in my opinion, dilute the your channels focus. There are many similarities between your LIveWire and your Tesla. That might be a better focus...
Jack super lame calling riders that post mistakes stupid. Please take this down and fix your title. We want new riders on our livewire like your other supportive videos. I know you are just reusing a phrase but it isn't a welcoming thing todo. New riders drop bikes. This is a heavy bike. You tap that front brake at the wrong time at slow speed you aren't stopping the bike going down. Please clean this up. Also uncool to call people posting mistakes to UA-cam stupid. New riders need people to talk about these mistakes rather than call them stupid. Seems like you probably asked permission to use the video but that doesn't change the look.
The guy made a left-hand turn into oncoming traffic on a city street. Then, he panicked and crashed in the intersection. I call that stupid, reckless and dangerous. I don't want riders like this on any motorcycle, especially a LiveWire ONE. I am so concerned about this, that I made a series of safety videos on this channel to try and educate people about riding a LiveWire ONE safely. It is not good enough to, "talk about these mistakes," because by that time it is often too late...
Linked brakes? I don't think applying the front brake also actuates the rear. They are separate systems. The rear wheel sensor, linked to the motor control, helps prevent rear wheel slip while decelerating, but front brake application does not apply rear brake, nor does rear brake apply front, as in a linked system found on some bikes.
Regarding the lowside protection, too much lean angle, cold tires, accelerating while adding lean, slick surface at lean, etc. grip is exceeded, the tires will slide out; lowside.
The cornering ABS will help reduce locking up the brakes while at lean angle, as in the final video clip, helping reduce that type of lowside, but there are many other causes of lowsides not protected against.
Rider education and skill are still the only solution to preventing lowsides. Like you said ... can't fix stupid.
Great video! Thanks for preparing and sharing.
Great little insight Jack. My LW is the first bike I’ve owned with such a system and it amazes me how often I realise the system has overridden my dumb inputs!
I'm a very experienced rider. Up until BOSCH MSC, I felt that ABS brakes and traction control were in the way most of the time and that I had better control without the nanny controls.
My first bike with MSC was a 2020 Kawasaki Z H2. The bike was not available without it. I was amazed from the start. As an example, the bike feeds in rear brake all by itself when you're trail-braking in corners (applying only the front brake).
I'm a believer now. MSC handles the throttle and brakes better than I could on my best day. I works best on LiveWire because of the instant torque and throttle response. You get the power of the Hulk along with the dexterity of Spider-Man!...
@@freedomiseverything Where can I find documentation/description about the H2 linked brake system? Searched for it and could not find. Same about the LiveWire. I may be wrong, but I could find nothing about it. Linked brakes explained here: ua-cam.com/video/w6AO8GQ-1wU/v-deo.html
I can't help wondering if that wasn't exacerbated by the first bike cutting back in front of him and braking heavily, just before the corner. The overtaking rider rode into his line.
Shit doesn’t always work, I was taking a left turn from a stop, I saw what looked like oil on the ground, no problem I said, I got around the turn and thought I was ok … and then felt my rear tire start to slip and before I could think, I can control the bike, bam, me and my Livewire are sliding down the street on our left sides, the Livewire in front of me, me sliding feet first down the street … I had my Alpinestars airbag on and it never deployed, I think I was doing maybe 15 to 25 mph … my bike was in the shop for a year waiting on the left frame … ended up taking a loss and trading in the damaged bike for a used one with 260 miles on it. Luckily I had some gear on and was able to pickup bike and ride it to the Harley Davidson service department for repairs. Just be careful out there.
Wow that crash at the end is harrowing to watch. Looks like he probably broke his ankle, nearly got run over by the car and then probably got tossed into the trees. Not fun.
Thanks for this type of video.
Great information. Thx.
Great system; very well explained. Every motorised two-wheeler should have the MSC! That would/may also bring down the licencing and development fees...?
So how do you pickup a 500 lb bike 🫤I don’t have one yet but it’s very interesting love your videos thanks for all you do 👍
It's all about the adrenaline. My wife dropped my LiveWire in the driveway right after we got it. She only weighs 120 lbs. It was amazing to see how fast she picked it up!...
@@freedomiseverything 😱🤭I can only imagine👍
It has nothing to do with adrenaline, you're only ever lifting a fraction of the bikes weight due to leverages.
I hope his bike didn't get too roughed up :)
He has a video on youtube the bike didn't get scuffed up
Posting up a video of riders riding at excessive speeds, most likely on Deals Gap, and they crashing indicates those riders were riding beyond their skill level. They'd be better off riding in their skill level instead of depending on technology to save their butts.
I just hit 1 year of riding a motorcycle and it's been such a fun year with it! I dropped my LiveWire after successfully evading a car coming at me that jumped a curb and forgot to put my foot down after stopping lol. The MSF course was very helpful with learning progressive braking and emergency swerving.
I have not uploaded my part 1 review of my HD LiveWire. I'd appreciate your thoughts on the video if you can ua-cam.com/video/yAz0_2s8LGw/v-deo.html
I enjoyed your video and am anxiously awaiting Part 2. However, I think your channel should specialize on electric vehicles. The other topics are unrelated and in my opinion, dilute the your channels focus. There are many similarities between your LIveWire and your Tesla. That might be a better focus...
Jack super lame calling riders that post mistakes stupid. Please take this down and fix your title. We want new riders on our livewire like your other supportive videos. I know you are just reusing a phrase but it isn't a welcoming thing todo. New riders drop bikes. This is a heavy bike. You tap that front brake at the wrong time at slow speed you aren't stopping the bike going down. Please clean this up. Also uncool to call people posting mistakes to UA-cam stupid. New riders need people to talk about these mistakes rather than call them stupid. Seems like you probably asked permission to use the video but that doesn't change the look.
The guy made a left-hand turn into oncoming traffic on a city street. Then, he panicked and crashed in the intersection. I call that stupid, reckless and dangerous. I don't want riders like this on any motorcycle, especially a LiveWire ONE.
I am so concerned about this, that I made a series of safety videos on this channel to try and educate people about riding a LiveWire ONE safely. It is not good enough to, "talk about these mistakes," because by that time it is often too late...