Can Electric Motorcycles Travel Long Distance?!? LiveWire ONE
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- Опубліковано 8 лис 2022
- On most of my adventures, I stick to highways and backroads - mainly for the beautiful views, twisty roads, and low traffic. However, I've always wondered "How Far Can Electric Motorcycles Go in a Day?"
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Dude, another awesome video! I like your music choices. Sucks about those stations, but this still would have taken an extra 3+ hours if you didn't have DC charging.
Thanks bud! If the network is there, CCS is my way to go. One cable to rule them all!
Besides this video being fun, it’s informative for those of us that are Interested in an electric bike, thanks for taking the time to share!
Nice! What else are you interested in knowing?
I've had a Zero for three seasons now and charged at public stations about 30 times. About a third of the time I've encountered problems ranging through user error, connection software problems, sun-damaged screens that are unreadable, Covid lockdown, ICEd chargers, switched off chargers, chargers replaced by some sort of new construction, broken chargers (2+ years). About half I couldn't charge and had to visit my back-up. Range anxiety is still real but the furure bodes well :)
I can't edit but think that some sort of user-interface standard needs to be implemented with all chargers being operated the same way by credit card.
@@bryn494 yeah. No app needed.
@@bryn494 yeah, the funny thing is that a petrol nozzle doesn’t know whether it’s filling up a Toyota or a BMW - same can’t be said for electrics. There are so many hand shakes that have to occur before high voltage can be applied to the unit. It would be awesome if the charging experience were ubiquitous like filling up at the petrol pump - card swipe and go. However, I don’t think in the future we will even have this, I think we will use plug and charge - the bike and charging ‘pump’ will manage the transaction automatically.
@@AdventuresonZero I mean a standard connector and a wattage dial is all you need. Bike manufacturers include software that beeps a warning at your own risk if you use a range outside of recommended range. It's really not that hard. The lack of standardization is that they are not quite sure how to exploit us further yet, so the whole thing is a mess.
Great video, Baker Mayfield!!
I always rooted for you in Cleveland!!
Stay safe!!
Thanks!
EV’s have always been about the infrastructure. Still not caught up. If they had this built out I’d own one. Great video, thanks! 👍🏻
Thanks for watching!
Another great vid, thanks Ben. Great to see real world stories.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it
333 miles sounds like a fun half day of riding. :D
***Insert SpongeBob Google eye meme here
For many riders 333 miles sounds like a full day of riding. :D
Even with ICE.
@@IIARROWS I know. But I saw Electric Long Distance and expected an iron butt. I think a Livewire is capable of one already. I can only do about 800 miles a day on my electric motorcycle.
@@ZeroFun I think Chris has talked about doing one, saying that it is possible on his energica, but it would require some serious logistics
@@ZeroFun Teapot One made one with Energica a couple of months ago.
"There's some weird guy talking to himself..." Lol!
About 87% certain meth was involved
@@AdventuresonZero I don't know... that guy with the motorcycle wasn't acting too different :)
@Snyphen356 I don’t do meth, I do bath salts like a real man
Love seeing these type of adventures. Never owned an electric vehicle so it's interesting seeing how the trip is. I recommend a pin lock visor too. My helmet never fogs in any condition after adding mine. Inexpensive and better than any other feature imo
Thanks! I've heard great things about pin lock. Do they hold up well to freezing temps? The fog spray is usually decent for a few hours at least, however the film freezes instantly when ambient temps are around 40°F
@@AdventuresonZeronot sure what temp range they are rated for. I usually don't ride when it gets that cold. But I have seen pictures of peoples shields that are iced over except the pinlock is perfectly clear. Basically works like a double pane window, so it should be fine. My helmet came with a pinlock ready shield and the pinlock screen. But if i didn't have that, I'd buy a replacement shield for it. My old helmet would fog up in rain or when I come to a stop on cold days. This one never does
@@pocketlint82 thanks! I’m definitely gonna look into this
Yeah, I would never go back to non-pinlock helmets/visors. I frankly didn't know any respectable brands sold helmets without.
Just read the instructions and be VERY careful when handling your pinlocks! I didn't read the instand immediately scratched my first one just wiping it down with a microfibre. And with some helmets you can have a bit of difficulty in finding how the pinlocks stay in place, so if you get yours shifting and fogging up forums will usually tell you what the quirk is with your particular helmet model and then when you know it you'll be golden forever.
I live in Seattle. We get cold enough weather for fogging the visor a large part of the year. NOTHING will stop it, but using a Pinlock visor will help. I use a balaclava and leave the visor cracked.
Nice! I lived in Tacoma for a few years, WA is a beautiful state. I’ve had lots of people recommend PINLOCK now, and need to see if there is a universal conversion kit, as the visors I have aren’t compatible.
recommend getting a back basket or something.
getting my new electric motorcycle plan on purchasing 2nd battery while figuring out how i can hook up a solar station with a rechargeable battery. Basically trying to avoid spending money on energy.
It costs maybe a dollar to fill the battery at home, and about $5 at public DCFC stations
When you said to keep an eye on staying below 23 Wh/mile I thought that was an high number... then I realised that miles are 60% longer then kilometers.
As for fogging visors, you should get a pinlock compatible one, you probably could find a replacement for your helmet. It has a couple of pin on the sides that hold a special plastic visor that creates an air seal between it and the visor, preventing it from fogging up even in extreme conditions.
In North Italy it's basically necessary 60% of the year.
I've looked into pin lock and heard great things about them, just need to see if they make it for my visors. Both are HD branded, and there's no mounting points for pin lock. Is there a universal kit?
@@AdventuresonZero HD usually just rebrands other design, you should check for the original.
Other than drilling your own holes ( 🤣 ) you should find design that doesn't use the pin but works just with an adesive.
@@IIARROWS I considered drilling holes 😆
Interesting riding to charging time stats and impressive for highway riding. That's one thing I watch as well and my Zero SR/S can't match.
I wonder how the new SR platforms will manage with this kind of travel with the premium charging options
@@AdventuresonZero I'll keep you posted. My 2022 SR/S has 6 KW Level 2 charging, but I have the additional 6 KW charger on order and the EMoto Design Dual J 1772 charger. That should charge the bike in about an hour. After that the riding and charging cadence should be much improved.
@@karlbloss Nice! Hope you don’t have trouble finding double cables! That was my Achilles heel when I had my DSR multi charge set up
@@AdventuresonZero Both high-power (10+KW) Level 2s and dual ChargePoints are pretty ubiquitous here in Michigan. Campgrounds with NEMA 14-50s are also everywhere. That's why the Zero still makes sense in my riding territory. A future bike with 200 miles highway range and both DCFC and high power AC charging is the holy grail to me. Meanwhile, we ride what we can. Love your vlogs! Unfortunately I'll need to be winterizing my bike soon at our latitudes. I can handle cold, but not snow and ice.
Yep, that's why I encourage everyone to check their area - CCS is abundant in my area, so is L2 - however CCS was quicker for me to charge, plus I only need one cable. Most of the L2s in my area are 7kW
Is there any way to attach a rear top box on the livewire ?
Nothing official, just custom made from owners
333 miles = 532.8 kms
9 hours 41 minutes = 581 minutes
That's 532.8 kms / 581 minutes = 0.9170395869191 kms / minutes.
There are 1440 minutes in 24 hours.
So, in theory, you can reach 1320.54 kms (825.34 miles) in 24 hours.
*The current record for the Greatest distance on an electric motorcycle in 24 hours (individual) is 919.87 kms (571.5 miles).*
IMO you should apply for the world record, it's just 24 hours ride, and of course months of preparations.
Can Livewire charge using Tesla supercharger network?
Or just ride in a circuit near one or more reliable chargers.
Does improving the aerodynamics increase the range?
Does lowering the weight of the bike increase the range? maybe a custom rear single seater.
Quite the analysis! You could only reach that distance/time if there is a network to support it, or as you say, to do ‘laps’ between two charging stations. I could have sworn that someone in the EU claimed to have completed an iron butt on a LiveWIre, however I’m a little skeptical about that. Also, I’m not one for setting out to make records - I just want to have adventures 😉 The LW can use the Telsa Superchargers that are equipped with CCS plugs *currently CA and NY at the moment*. Improving the aero does help with range - less resistance = less effort to move through the air. You would have to drastically reduce weight on the bike to see an increase in efficiency. Even with two riders, I barley notice a difference in range compared to just me riding.
You should do a video charging at the tesla supercharger, if there is any available in your area!
None close yet, New York is the closest state that has them to me. I might be able to use some this summer though! Glad they’re opening up the network
Hey that's not bad - in 9 hours something for such a long journey. The main thing is that it's possible.
Yeah, I still had a fun ride!
Lots of stress and charging time. I could've done the trip with one 5 minute fill-up on my FJR1300. I'm afraid electric bikes aren't there yet.
My Concord Jet could have done it in 15 minutes. Your move…
unfortunanetly battery tech slowing it down :( - at least doubling battery density will change the game - simply you can see records in 24h - ICE about 3400km, EV (livewire) 1700km
@@duniek86 agreed. I think a big leap in current tech is still 5-10 years away
@@AdventuresonZero but not even bigger capacity - charging speed and battery cooling will be even better - 20-80% always with 15-20min - in energica with CALM riding only first charging takes 25min, second 40-45min, at hot day even longer
Not even close electric bikes are for the ignorant! I will only buy one if it had its own nuclear power cell then it would be eviro mentally friendly.
No shelters over charging stations what if it's pissing down rain! I'm not convinced this is the way to long to charge and it can be hard out there in the cold wet. Can they run electric grips without losing to much power?
Some charging points are starting to provide overhead cover, but they are fine to charge light rain. I cover mine just to be cautious though. Besides, if it’s pissing down hard, I really don’t wanna ride unless I have to. The LiveWire can run heated grips, but requires a little electrical engineering - but it’s not difficult. Other riders have hookups for heated gear. Other brands can run heated grips as a stock option. Either way, it’s simple to add that functionality if needed
Electric Grips would use a tiny miniscule proportion of the battery capacity per hour. It would have a noticeable effect on range you have to account for when long distance beyond 4 hours riding. But it should be very manageable. It's simple math Rated Watts of the heater times the amounts of hours you will be riding. For example 40watts x 3 hours means it ate 120 watt.hours from your battery. The LiveWire has a useable 14,000 watt.hours battery. So 120 out of 14,000 is 0.85% a tiny proportion.
Yep, I remember reading elsewhere that you can expect a mile or two loss when adding additional power components - a worthy trade off IMO
Hey Ben, have you tried "Cat Crap" anti-fog? It's an actual product, so don't try your personal cats crap.
It’s too late and now I have pink eye, you should have lead with the not actual crap part. Thanks
What brand / model is your helmet? Looks like HD but I’m not able to find anything like it at my local dealer. How much was it? Looks goood! I have the same bike, they are so much fun!! Keep riding safe and enjoying the electric adventures!
This is the Outrush-R from HD, which is just a Harley branded Sena Outrush. It’s a great modular helmet, although the chin piece is almost a little too close. I can barley push move my jaw forward and my chin hits the bottom, the only drawback IMO to an otherwise fantastic lid
It’s always an adventure but that’s part of the fun. My farthest electric motorcycle ride in a single day was about 850 miles, but that was basically riding straight through for 24 hours.
525 was the longest for me, and that was on my 17’DSR. I really hate slogging through miles like that, not my kind of riding, but I get for others that works.
I went from EV driving after 9 years back to petrol manual cars, just couldn't do it any more !
Give me petrol any day over any EV.
yeah good!
333/9.6833 = 34.3891 Average Miles Per Hour
Yeah good
The reason I will never ho electric. You paid more to fill up. Good video thank you
?? Paid more?
To charge it vs fuel
@@georgesmith6785 gasoline is more expensive at the moment
What a joke all the way to Philly like it's a 1000 miles wow.
Yeah but it’s in your pants, though
Thanks for the video, I'm staying in the gasoline camp....
Respect!
In riding time you averaged less than 45 mph, pretty slow. With charging time included you averaged less than 35 mph, horrible! Electric motorcycles are great for urban riding but for significant distance trips out of town? No way
It’s not for everyone. I enjoy taking those breaks to explore new places. For some it’s about the journey, others the destination. I’ve taken plenty of significant distance trips and enjoyed them. I get it that’s not the style you’re into. Would be a boring world if we all had the same riding experiences
I used to have an EV (not anymore, no way!) and I'm familiar with that charger rhumba which never ends and never gets less stressful. To be fair I guess there's something wrong with me because I did actually for some reason really enjoy all that charger-planning as well as troubleshooting when it all went wrong constantly. But in any case, something I learned when spending all that time at chargers, especially on long trips: the one main thing to do was to reduce fatigue with short naps while charging (to counter-balance the longer journey times with EVs and the effects of boredom during charing waits). So that's now obviously a problem on a motorcycle as you can't exactly nap on the bike as you can in a car...so how about a very compactly-stored EV-charger hammock system?? Anyone want to go into business with me and make millions, possibly billions with this idea? 😁💰💰💰
We could set up a standard hammock-attachment system/standard measurement of those protective poles to which the hammock is attached. Charging stations could easily make sure those specs are met, with those protective poles simply spaced at certain distances and if they don't hit the right measurements on their own it's easy to just add in one cheap pole there to enable attaching the standardised hammock! 📏😴
Unless my next charger is at the limits of range, my stops are usually pretty short, maybe 20-30 minutes. I’m a full time filmmaker, so those short stops allow me to edit videos or work on other projects while I wait. Certainly not the lifestyle for everyone, but my time is well spent when waiting for a charge.
its really to bad these bikes are not ready and the range is absolute crap. charging issues... yuck. My ariel Grizzly is better choice really
Right amount of Range is relative. Can do 500-700 miles in a day all on interstate, 800 if you push it. That kind of riding isn’t appealing to me. 250 miles is the sweet spot for me to ride and film. Bike is more than capable of that