Blackmagic Pocket 6K Camera: My Thoughts
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- The new Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 6K looks amazing but has one major flaw in my opinion.
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Pocket 6K New Specs:
Larger super 35mm sensor
EF Mount instead of MFT
6K, 5.7K 4K, 3.7K, 2.8K and HD resolutions
Up to 120 frames per second
Blackmagic Raw
Same form factor and body with exception to the larger lens mount
New Pocket 4K Firmware Update Features:
More Languages
Gimbal Support
Anamoprhic 2x mode and de-squeeze
Support for super16mm lenses
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The part of the video you're all looking for: 7:05
And it is that he doesn't like the mount.
slideslipping ugh and all that for the one point. Blackmagic is marketing to different people than Kinefinity. EF is fine for this market.
Thanks
@@slideslipping I lol'd, Click Bait!!! The mount is perfect for me coming from Canon 5D, I was waiting for a good 4K Camera in my price range and was Just about to buy the BMPCC 4K was only hesitant cause of MFT, but now this is my answer. I am still waiting for the "Gotcha" on this camera. Right now the WORST thing I can see about this camera is it isn't Full Frame... and that not that big of a deal for me.
I think that they were forced to use EF mount because they needed more space for cooling system.
The clickbait title isn't necessary...
Aveiro17 true that
He's been doing the click bait titles a lot more recently. I don't know why. I like his content, but the bait titles bother me.
Is the name of the game with yt algorithms. I bet Caleb dont like either...
@@MrMganzer It's NOT the name of the game, if he doesn't like it he won't do it. Period. Don't make lame excuses on his behalf.
@@thecritic2822 if he doesn't like it but it will directly drive more views he'll do it. I know I'll be watching no matter what, so I don't mind him doing what he needs to to make the algorithm work for him.
I think the reason for the EF mount is that the flange distance allows Blackmagic to have all those big cooling slots. A shorter flange distance would not allow for those and the heat generated from the bigger sensor and higher CPU power used to process and store the high resolution stream needs to get out in some way.
Exactly!
Ding ding ding, we have a winner! Lol. You can see the bigger heat sink and hear the bigger fan on it. I would rather have that and ef lenses then it overheat while shooting 6k raw. It would have been nice to put PL lenses on it, but let's be honest there is a lot of ef glass and it's going to be what 90% of people put on the camera, even if they could PL.
If you have to use a bigger mount to achieve efficient cooling, then that's simply bad engineering. Look at what Sigma has done with the cooling of the new FP camera. Their solution is genius compared to this.
@@RedHatMedia You got your Sigma FP already and tested it?
@@rketv No, but you should definitely watch their Japanese press conference or the short animation they made to show the design of the heatsink. In my mind the cooling solution they came up with in such a small body is pretty cool. ua-cam.com/video/3yrcJOr7lyg/v-deo.html
"One BIG Problem" but 11mins video
Yeah I'm loving these clickbait titles. Just went into the comments to find what the issue is, decided it wasn't at all an issue for me and closed the tab once I left a dislike
@@TheOneThreeFour me too
Seriously! The whole burying the lead deal is annoying.
@BWV 656 yea it still is a big problem bcuz no amount of ef lenses will ever turn it into full frame.
@@shahal145 No it's not. Google LucAdapter Magicbooster.
The EF mount is a real plus for those of us waiting to upgrade from the BMCC 2.5k EF.
I think that's exactly what they CEO said on the live stream. They felt that those with the old 2.5k machine never really got an upgrade. Those guys are all sitting on old Canon EF glass and not wanting to move down to M43., understandable.
A lot of those guys, even guys running Sony FS5s and stuff, even like Panny EVA-1 guys, anyone running true cinema cameras with EF glass has to look at this camera as a viable, economic replacement.
@@BlackWarriorLures Okay but ... Why don't these guys with a lot of EF glass just buy a metabones to go with the bmpcc 4K ? That solution actually gives you the equivalent of a bigger sensor even than the "native" EF mount with super 35 of the 6K, thus more wide angle and more bokeh ... Honestly i would still buy the 4K over the 6K even if i only had EF glass !
@@billyboy_45 Good point, and that's where I have settled after thinking about this a lot more. I use nothing but old FD glass, when it comes to adapting glass M43 is still king. PLus I'd rather buy a pair of P4k for the price of a single P6k.
I use one of the cheaper glassed adapters from China. It puts right at super35 and couldn't be happier.
A person who speaks the truth!
I think the convenience of the EF is a plus for many buyers. I’m a MFT shooter, but my entire kit is sigma EF glass
Connor Slump yes agreed!
At least you didn't complain about stabilisation, Flippy screen and auto focus for a cine camera 🤣
Ha! Thanks.
That's BS. I'm tired of people saying a cinema camera BLAH BLAH BLAH. A video camera is a video camera and it should have in camera stabilization and good auto focus. The REAL reason BM did not design it in is due to market segmentation. They are just going after a certain market segment and saving some re-design costs at the same time, while not directly competing with Sony and Panasonic. Why do you think Sony and Panasonic (GH5) don't come up with their own Raw recording cameras?
HipStar I didn’t think its autofocus was even good enough to call autofocus.... I’d rather look through a manual batis for improved sharpness
As someone with a full complement of EF-mount lenses, I'm glad BM did this. I'm sick of needing adapters to shoot video on Mirrorless cameras.
EF mount is so widely used that I don’t think anyone should be fretting about BM falling in line with what high-end cine camera manufacturers have been doing for years. This is simply them saying: “hey, you should put big-boy lenses on our new big-boy camera.”
I would argue that high-end cine cameras default to PL. The middle ground seems to be all EF or E-mount, though.
You don't need to use clickbait man..
It's not a clickbait, he's right, with "DSLR type mount" is not a good option i thinks... !
@@Pierrelager There are professional cine lenses that are EF mount. Canon has a line and so does Tokina. For example: www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/981928-REG/canon_ef_cinema_prime_5.html
@@Pierrelager DSLR mount? Do you know how many CINE lenses that cost $8k use EF mounts? It's THE MOST COMMON lens mount between Canon, Sigma, Xeen, Zeiss (DSLR AND Cine lenses). It WAS clickbait, he changed the title and his argument was a terrible one.
@@thecritic2822 Yep..
@@thecritic2822 I dont Understand why the fact that a lot of expensive lense are EF mount prouves that is a good choice for a mordern camera. The aim of a pocket camera is to be as pratical as possible. So use a mount with a big gap between the sensor and the flange means that you have bigger lense for the same focal lenght. And you can't adapt proprely every lens you want. What do you think about that ?
Correct me if I'm wrong but you dismiss the merits of a focal-reducer WHILE dismissing the EF-mount because it restricts the use of a focal-reducer? Huh?
lol great point. if you want a model with an adaptable mirrorless mount, they have already thought about that... for $1295...
His point isn't too far out. A Leica L mount, custom mount with adapters, Sony E Mount would all provide the same ability to use EF mounts (with adapter) as well as all of those systems. Most people will be fine being EF only, but a simple different choice would have opened a lot more possibilities.
@@HotRodHippie I wouldn't call a custom mount a simple different choice. That would take a ton of engineering hours and raise the price of the camera quite considerably. I think making it ef mount is the simples, easiest, and most desired outcome. There are a ton of people (Myself included) using the 4k version with a speedbooster who would much rather be using a native ef mount.
Focal reducers and mount adapters are not the same thing
@@avclaudiom I didn't make a claim; I posed a question.
I'm confused by the mount concerns and by everyone saying it's easier to adapt to mirrorless - I use EF on my Ursa Mini pro and have never had issue adapting old vintage lenses and keeping full frame FOV w/ the magicbooster, etc. Everything that was recommended for and that I used on my mirrorless cams work on this one. Old c-mount lenses (though not FF), old minolta lenses, swirly bokeh lenses, helios, old 4x7 medium format lenses, etc.
Magicbooster exists for Ursa Mini & Ursa Mini Pro cams which get FF FOV, so the same could be done here, possibly.
Exactly, same here. I use the Ursa Mini Pro the same way. Nit-picking i guess to bring some conflict to such an impressive camera?
@@Watts24fps I just assumed I was missing something - even before the BlackMagic stuff ever came out, Caleb always said mirrorless was easier to adapt vintage lenses to (as do plenty of others) so I've just been trying to figure out why. The only issues I've run into is a couple lenses have manual aperture levers for film cameras that would block/break the mirror on DSLRs, but I don't even have lenses that do that, or the adapters keep those in check.
That being said the RF mount instead of EF probably would've been a smarter move.
There is actually a custom speed booster that makes the 6k camera into full frame. Look it up. It's made by LucAdapters
Scary as crap watching the install video. I guess as long as you have steady hands everything should be fine.
UPDATE: You guys were right. Title was way too clickbait heavy. Just changed it! Thanks and have a great rest of your day.
0:45 The new 6K specs
1:44 Overview of new resolutions
4:36 6K camera vs 4K camera with a speed booster
6:07 What I don't like
7:06 My problem with this camera...
9:42 Pocket 4K future updates! Yay!
Just thought you were trying to show how resolution means something haha.
Thanks as always for awesome video! Loving the new studio, and the GhAlex rolloff. :))) Pocket 6K’s major issue in practice is the same as all pocket cameras - if you want raw etc and are happy to use a big rig then you’re most likely going to want other pro features like built-in ND filters and 100% reliability. So many “points of failure” in Pockets! But great for random broll :) Also, 13 stops isn’t enough for scripted pro stuff - in my experience. And Blackmagic color science is still terrible compared to Alexa
Yeah, it would be great if they went with a leica L-mount but they didn't because
*check out the heatsink design, you will understand why, and also if they went with short flange distance mount they have to redesign the whole body for heat dissipation which increase the cost. Since they went with similar body, they can shave and replace 30% of BMPCC4K for the new mount and not have a new production line for manufacturing this product*
Also if they redesigned the camera, it will look like that new camera from sigma.
Using a 1.33 times anamorphic lens or maybe setup will make this camera an 8k camera.
Caleb, you up for upgrading your BMPCC 6K to almost full frame (1.1 crop factor) in the future? A Magicbooster by LucAdapters, specifically made for the BMPCC 6K will hopefully be out in November this year. Plus it gives an additional stop as well, so better at low lights for sure. Just that it won't support exclusive EF-S lenses like the Sigma 18-35mm F1.8 completely (vignetting). We will have to use full frame EF lenses. Link: www.newsshooter.com/2019/08/13/lucadapters-magicbooster-for-the-bmpcc-6k
Sorry. Had the go with thumbs down for the clickbait title. That seems like a personal preference more than a problem.
"Huge problem with iphones... they dont use android"
The EF mount doesnt bother me at all
EF glass is common and cheap. This is a massive benefit for me and many others as we already have tons of EF lenses.
Felix Black correct may get this instead of the R5/R6.
My Canon glass is happy now whit this BIG problem. 😄
lol same
Me too!
The firmware update will also finally bring controll on a gimbal, esecially focus controll. I think that a huge deal!
click-bait BS
As an Ef user I don't see a problem, happy with the sensor size and frame rates. Can't wait to get my order in.
It would have been great to see it with an L-Mount, but I wonder if the partnership between Leica, Panasonic, and Sigma might have been an issue there. Also, and this is PURE speculation on my part, but I wonder if having that extra flange distance makes it easier to cool the system down depending on how they've used that extra internal space. 6K raw is a lot to process, but I might be totally off on that haha! Really interested to hear your take once you've got the camera in hand!
Additional space for cooling is always nice to have but a full frame DSLR mount on an APS-C mirrorless system is just ... wrong. I thought about the L-mount, too. The one company that would probably not be happy with that would be Panasonic in my mind. Think about this beast going directly against the S1H with the same mount... On the other hand, blackmagic waiting lists are loooong. I gave up on the pocket 4k after 4 months.
@@noenken I'm not sure I understand: Why is it wrong to have a full frame DSLR mount on an APS-C mirrorless system? Canon entire cinema line is like this, as well. Is it the form factor you mean?
@@BlackWarriorLures Canon cinema cameras are not designed to be handheld. The Pocket 4k and 6k are. On the 4k you can use a 12-35 Panasonic and shoot documentary all day long with a very compact setup. On the 6k you can't. (Just as an example.)
@@noenken I gotcha.
Been doing alot of reading. There is suppose to be a speed booster by a company called LucAdapter (I think)... also a plugin by another company to let you edit braw in premier.
Yes, I was gonna leave the same comment, there is a speedbooster for EF / EF-S in the words for this camera so that will help with the crop factor which is still a bit hefty.
It's not thaaaat good software, I've edited with it the last 4 months and it's a lot slower than in DaVinci
Though I don't use DaVinci, so I just have to live with the very slow playback
@@RumleKjaer what's it called?
Pretty sure there is already a plugin for Raw in Premiere
Regarding the EF mount: BM is not a licensee of Canon (as much as I know) which means they reverse engineered the EF mount pins to make the EF lenses work with this 6K Camera.
In order to make other lenses work out of the box or to create a BM adapters for the lenses you mentioned - they need to reverse engineer many of them and there aren't lots of docs about it.
Perhaps the next version of this camera will support other lenses (after all, if you look at the camera closely, you'll see that most of it is just like the 4K, they replaced the board with the sensor and the front part, venting , and the firmware, everything else remains the same).
The cinematography/photography community is so toxical on here and it's funny how people dislike someone's own opinion because it's different from theirs. Caleb is one of the most unbiased review on the internet you can find. Give him a break.
Mine is on the way and I am happy with the Canon EF mount as I have 9 L lenses and won't need the metabones adapter. BUT because I also have the 4k I can take advantage of the update. BTW I hope you update your BMPCC video; I will pay for an update!
If you are going to test boosters on the 4K in the future, please factor in the new Metabones specifically for it, especially the 0.64X positive locking EF mount. Not only does it make it fullframe equivalent, it adds a cine locking mount.
It doesn't make it full-frame equivalent. 0.5 would.
I am a canon shooter with a stack of glass so the 6K excites me! Will probably also continue with Prores as I primarily edit FCPX. I will order the 6K but also keep a 4K as back up/second camera. Great video, thanks
great new for both blackmagic 4k an 6k users! thank you for sharing.
one suggestion: voice level of speech was way too low in comparison to outro music.
Thanks Caleb. I have ordered the BMPCC 6K and hopefully it will arrive soon. When you do your review could you have a look at SSD's for us. Tom Antos had problems with frames dropping on his Samsung T5 SSD at 6K filming.
Ha, your bug is my feature. EF lens mount by default is exactly what I've wanted from a prosumer video camera, as that's where my lens investment is.
Your main problem just isn't true. Google LucAdapter Magicboost.
it doesnt changes the mount option. It's just an adaptors that goes inside the EF mount. Check your facts straight before posting bullshit.
The problem with EF mount is the flange distance. So barely any lense option.
@@MsMoeb No other lenses? Perhaps you should check your facts too - I happily use my Pentax, Zeiss Contax, Tair, Mir, Helios, and Olympus lenses on the EF mount.
@@garyking4032 Not to mention plenty of cinema options out there like Sigma, Zeiss, Canon, etc. If you can afford something like Cooke's or master primes, why are you putting them on a DSLR in the first place?
@@MsMoeb There's about 130 million lenses in sirculation for EF mount, that's far more than for any other mount. There's lense for every imaginable situation, and for cheaper price too if that's what you want. And if you miss the full FoV from FullFrame lenses then you get yourself that adapter.
The BMPCC 4K is almost impossible to get hold of in UK. There is no stock and waiting times at most retailers, or you can pay a big premium to get one sooner.
I just wish BM had addressed the lack of 4K stock and ramped up production of those before releasing the 6K.
This is really the biggest fault, and should have been emphasized more. People still don't have the P4K yet, and here they are talking about a brand new camera and saying it's in stock now.
Also look at how fast they got the G2 out, same thing really.
It's as if they just aren't delivering the product that they have, yet they've developed two new cameras in the past year? Makes no sense.
Your audio seems softer than usual on this video
I had to increase volume as well.
Everything has been getting worse, color , audio and content.
Yes, except for the music at the end!
We just got ours yesterday. 2 other big things. 1) you can't shoot RAW in 4k or 1080p. That's ProRes only. 2) the premiere plugin that everyone is using doesn't support the new 6k raw yet (and I've even heard rumors that resolve is having issues with it at the moment).
The EF mount is its biggest selling point I think, I have a lot of EF Glas.
There is one negative on this camera I think, and that is Battery Life, so you need to buy a lot of Batteries, which is an good mitigation. A thing BM Could have done better is Autofocus, but Me Thinks that is Minor.
Comparing it to the R6 from Canon when I Read the Specs
Canon R6
- you need to buy an adapter for your EF Glas
- it doesn't do RAW
- its more expensive
- only 4K
- Price
- Overheating issues?
+ Good AF
+ Full Frame
BM6K
- Battery life
- AF
+ 6K
+ RAW
+ Price
+ EF Mount
+ No Heat issues
This is actually a great video camera for me, I’m a canon user thats looking to switch to mirrorless and don’t wanna buy a bunch of new lenses. This will be my new video camera!
How are these "professionals" able to give review about the camera that they don't even own? I keep looking at the videos to see real footage and the real test but they all are going on and on about what's written on Blackmagic's website.
could be a ploy to convince people the new EF model isn't great so as to keep the value of their MFT version high :)
@desi inc These guys are there for people like us who do not bother visiting websites. Who do not own expensive cameras nor make videos, yet remain so very enthusiastic about it all.😄
@@baddogentertainment6960 May be! Blackmagic PCC 4k has been out of the stock until now. They created this hype and never delivered the product (based on demand) and now magically (may be a black magic) 4K is in stock everywhere and was in in stock atlas 2 days before the released 6K (at B&H).
Now 6K is out of stock and 4k needs to be sold
Here is an actual review with footage and hands on experience ua-cam.com/video/eGYLNhYLN-Y/v-deo.html
So many haters. This is a great review, and I agree; an interchangeable mount would have been an incredible feature. That said, if you're going with any fixed mount, EF is the way to go.
The 4k on a speedbooster has a smaller crop factor than the 6k. 1.3 to 1.6....thats very significant
1.22 exacly with 4kdci
I totally agree, I wish they went with a mirrorless mount. I really don’t understand their logic with the EF
Apparently there is a focal reducer in the making for this camera: the LucAdapters Magicbooster for the BMPCC 6K.
Man everybody talks about Peter Mckinon (and I love him also) and forget about this dude! He is such a good presenter!! Awesome reviews also!! Thanks for this mate!
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@@chromaticvisuelle true man!! I love Gerald Undone! Tony and Chelsea not so much... :D
You're too kind!!! Thank you!
@@musicinsession oh come on they are cute ;) and some really good videos too
Were I to have the cash, the EF mount would put me off the 6K because I can't use my weird lenses. But that's not a problem. I'm not the intended market. The intended market is a more professional and dare I say it, more conventional, user. Are we forgetting that the 4K is hardly a poor camera?
Good point. When I saw the 6k I actually made me look at the P4k again because IO know I can easily adapt vintage lenses to M43. Maybe they thought those who want to adapt already had the "perfect" mount where adaptability was concerned. My guess, and the CEO mentioned this, they had tons of people asking for an EF mount, so they made an EF mount.
For adapting lenses M43 is still king really.
In other words this is what the 5Div should have been or what the 90D should be. It's almost like they're saying, "This is the camera Canon should be making, but we have to do it because they won't get off their butts for anything anymore."
I was SO excited to hear how shitty your "BIG" problem with the camera was. Thanks for not letting me down captain clickbait.
Caleb, you NAILED it with your criticisms. Blackmagic Design (and third parties) could have done SO MUCH with the EF flange distance if they hadn't baked it into the body. Keep up the great work!
The mount you're looking for is exactly what they put on the Ursa Mini Pro. You can switch between EF, PL, B4 and F mount. My guess is that they want you to pay the $ for the higher end camera for that premium feature.
and yet, people like you also complained about the mirrorless mounts on the BMPCC and BMPCC 4k.
gotta love watching videos about 6k cameras in 360p
ONE BIG PROBLEM - You don't have this camera to talk about problems of this camera
Did you watch the video.?! The 'problem' is one you don't need the camera in your hand for. Not everyone agrees the mount is an issue but it's still up for discussion regardless.
That's what you think BM really screwed up on?
LOL
I see your point about braw being the only format for the larger resolutions but if u are shooting 6K why would u want to out put as pro ress anyway when braw has way more flexibility in post, the only other reason i could see is for files size differences. But i feel like it would defeat the point of shooting 6k with out that flexibility. Could just be me tho
4k 120fps...
That's what we needed
then go zcam
@@AllThingsKen have you heard of Kinefinity
Doesn't that RED Raven do 4K 120?
@@FranklinReid_ Red Raven fully kitted is over 14k.
@@DirectorIllyRock zcam would be the best option. I just preordered the 6k version
As an FCPX user the biggest detraction for me is all the BRAW only modes. I have to hope (in vain?) that Apple will support BRAW in the next update or, even as a P4K owner, consider moving to Resolve.
6K may open up better post stabilization options but that may hinge on rolling shutter though.
seecraig just use resolve as a color correction tool in post production, edit braw exported as anything else for reference, its really simple and just takes a few more steps
@@sebastianmorales6849 It's the "just takes a few more steps" that's a concern. I'd like to use BRAW in a fast turnaround environment. I settle for 6k ProRes but I doubt Blackmagic has any motive to do that in-camera.
You want to use different programs with no in between, it doesn’t exist. Don’t shoot raw if you are not using it
I hear ya!!! Really hoping to see Braw supported in FCPX as well.
It’s probably coming very soon on a next FCPX update.
There actually is a speedbooster that is being made for this that goes inside and behind the EF mount in front of the sensor. I think it's called the magicboost. Not sure about the optical quality.
Since I recently bought a set of Rokinon EF lenses, I’m super glad they went with the EF mount.
The mount choice is probably due to licensing. M43 is no good for 1.5x so choice may of been limited.
MFT has been put on 1.5x before. ZCAM is working on making it work currently for their upcoming S6. It's possible and honestly would be great for this form factor.
@@FTGTapGod I thought they dropped the S35 M43 mount?
I wonder about the licensing too. But it seems they could have gotten a license for the L mount at least, but who knows.
@@BlackWarriorLures I believe last time I checked they dropped saying it's going to be an official option, but they are continuing to test.
@@FTGTapGod Ahh! That's good to know. It could be the best combo of all time. The "superM43" chips like the GH5S are getting so close to APS-C that it seems they should go ahead and jump to S35.
So right. Just one thing: you still could be using M39 lenses on top of the EF mount 8:36. A few coins in M39toM42 and in M42toEF. But not FD, not MFT, not boosters...
I think they should have used may be the E mount as you can adapt Sony lenses, Sigma and Canon lenses onto it, and that would give you a wider flexibility than just EF or RF mount only. especially with the fact that this camera autofocus is toilet and you will mainly be manual focusing then i say E mount over EF or RF you get the best off 2 world canon, Sony and all other third parts Sigma and Tamron.
Sony GM lenses are extremely sharp and made for high resolution camera so it will produce beauty clean images from that 6K sensor without a problem.
HEXOTECH except maybe Sony doesn’t licence their mounts
@@sizzlesizzleboom they do as sigma and tamron makes lenses for the mount if am correct in saying you can't make a lens for a camera mount with out the camera manufacturers permission. As that can distrupt there sales
@@hexotech5202 I meant the female mount, on the camera.
No No No disagree, they have chosen the best mount, the EF mount and the best glass out there and all those vintage lenses on the EF mount just brilliant, I love Canon glass and this camera is just perfect for me, well done Blackmagic for this and keeping the price low, placed my order no gimmicks no see what I have got but sheer video quality at an amazing price, thank you
There’s actually a focal reducing array coming for this camera, it’s not a lens mount, it just sits in front of the sensor wedged in for a 1.1x crop, go look at newshooter.com. I wish they used the RF mount so we would use the variable NDs, as if it had internal ND. That’s what the Red Komono is going to do
People railing on the length of the video: blame UA-cam. Content less than 10 minutes for these creators is way less favorable to the algorithm. So if these content creators are going to make a living and continue being able to deliver really good channels, WHICH THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO, deal with 10-minute videos. End of story.
Great point about the mount. Would have been even more of a killer if it had an interchangeable mount option. But as it stands, it still is in a class of its own even with its short comings.
Blackmagic did the same thing when they went from the MFT BMCC2.5K to the EF BMPC4K (went to a s35 sensor, higher res, EF mount, same body). No-one really cared, besides the fact that they lost a stop of dynamic range. However, in this one the DR is the same, lots of people use canon glass. A speed booster isn't a necessity, especially with a larger Super 35 sensor.
An EF mount isn't a problem. It makes it more accessible. If you have such a problem with it, get a converter.
It's a $2500 camera and you want a "custom" interchangeable mount. It's not a high-end camera and is catered to indie filmmakers. It doesn't even have SDI, which I think is an even bigger issue. Canon EF mount is fine and most people already have plenty of lenses that will work and can upgrade from other cameras like the older BMCC 2.5k. Mirrorless lenses are just too new, not mainstream enough and lack options. You can also still get true cinema lens options such as Sigma, Canon, Zeiss, etc to mount. You want PL and want to throw Cooke S4's on? Get an adapter like the Ursa has (if they have one, which they probably do). There's a reason cameras like Alexa, RED and even the Ursa cost much more. You can't get everything. It's already disrupting the market where they can barely keep up with orders and I think people are nitpicking way too much. It's impressive AF! Go out and create and stop worrying so much about the technical aspects that literally won't affect 90% of indie filmmakers.
also an advantage with EF (versus another mount which requires adapters )is autofocus
Yeah, but is blackmagic's autofocus even going to come close to Canon autofocus.
Have you heard of or looked into the announced Magic Booster from LucAdapters for this camera? He says he can get it to an estimated 1.1x crop!! With 0.64 XL Metabones, the pocket 4K gets to 1.22x, so that’s really promising! And hey, maybe Metabones will make their own!
Jean Pierre I was going to mention this too! Caleb says that you can’t use a focal reducer on EF but yeah apparently you can, as LucAdapters can do it. But (a huge but) it’s still a crowdfunding thing so far. LucAdapters has shown they can do it tho - with their Ursa one.
@@mrtobycook Yeah, it's going to start as a Kickstarter, but from his posts, it seems he's dead set on making it regardless lol. His pocket 6k is on the way apparently, so we should be hearing more soon! I also have to point out, that Caleb might be right, because the Magic Booster isn't a mount screw on like the Metabones, it goes inside the EF flange...I'm really hoping Metabones is making their own solution as well, competition is always good!
With the EF-Mount - you have soooo right ;) ! I do not understand why they did this. Backward Future ... in this point.
It was a marketing move! Black Magic just made a better video camera for Canon users than Canon ever could at that price!
I think the reason behind choosing legacy EF mount was to limit pocket 6K. Interchangeable lens mount is feature on more expensive Ursa Mini Pro G2 which they don't want to cannibalize obviously. It has option to swap stock EF mount for PL, B4 and F mount.
The EF mount is not bad to adapt vintage lenses, it is shorter than a lot of the other SLR mounts. There are adapters for Contax/Yashica lenses, Nikon F, Olympus OM etc. Rangefinder lenses won't work but still I think it is a very flexible mount.
I agree completely on the error in choosing to go EF-only. I keep my original Pocket for two reasons: its wonderful highlight roll off and its ability to use 16mm C-mount and all sorts of other vintage glass. But the updates to the current 4K sound exciting enough that I may pick one up in spite of their harsh highlights.
Great channel, btw. You’re a highly trusted source of info.
Using an SLR mount on a mirrorless body makes no sense... funny thing is, the Blackmagic URSA Mini Pro has a swappable mount system - it does F/EF/PL/B4
That's what I don't understand. A swapable mount would have been better. They should have waited to launch this camera. It's like the jumped the gun really.
Yeah - this came out of nowhere.
Hmm. Prior to 6k, everyone was happy with Speedbooster and Sigma 18-35. Now all of a sudden you mentioning speedbooster quality sucks.
I really like your reviews i really do. i've been following your channel for a long time now and i love your content. But just to be honest, don't you think you are actually being totally biased towards using EF-Mount because you are a user of Panasonic GH series. So that means you're implying that they should've gone for that. That is because you're actually using that yourself. Don't get me wrong but for normal consumers or you can say people who are on a tight budget, usually go with Canon. No matter what. So i assume majority of the people will definitely have Canon Lenses so it's a great choice to have as a EF-Mount in BMPCC6k.
not a valid enough reason. waste of time
The Sensor Size Changes The Type Of Mounts Your Design Can Support. Your Main Problem Is A Lack Understanding Image Circles Of Lenses.
I have been thinking about getting this camera as a second camera for shooting church services to pair it with my xa50. I already have a number of EF L lenses, and a couple of ATEM switchers. Yes, it is over-kill resolution wise, especially since I would be using it in 1080p, but considering the compatibility with my switchers, multiple connections for audio, and all my existing lenses, and especially the price, this seems like a really good deal. The only thing I would be giving up is par focal zoom function like on my xa50. For a high quality video camera for my needs this seems very economical all things considered. I would love another xa50 but this bmpc6k is the same price with the ability to shoot at 120p. If you have a moment, I would appreciate your thoughts.
The EF mount thing I imagine is a compromise they made not only because of potential cooling issues, but also because EF has a lot of cheap cine lenses that people will want to throw on - basically meaning for a majority of shooters there won't be an issue with buying a plethora of add-ons to use the types of lenses that they most commonly use. That said though, I don't see how it would be impossible to create a speedboosters for this mount, though I also imagine it'll be a little while before we can start using Mamiya lenses at their full width.
You are definitely sort of right with the EF-mount. Maybe that was a mixture between BM-tradition, als they offered lots of cameras with EF-mount, and marketings-aspects. EF-mount is really an argument for many buyers, because they think of all their EF-glass. For me personally the 6K is a great addition to my BMPCC4K - I always felt the "need" for a seconds one, but I'm going to add the 6K version, simply because of the 6K. :)
Caleb I know you want views, but clickbait is unnecessary. You also had the viewer watching for 8 minutes before getting to the point which counts for youtube revenue. Think long term value. I would have second thoughts watching your next video with such title.
The way you did the multiple budget cameras for starters. Could you do a middle to upper end one? Like 700$-1500$ of cameras for intermediate - experienced .
I really think you should do a tutorial on the BMPCC 6K. Love your teaching style. You did a good job on the GH5
Thank you for this review Caleb. I get your point about the mount, however I believe EF is a better option given the large amount of cheap EF lenses I feel this is a very flexible option.
Never heard a reviewer call the EF Mount a BIG problem before. The dude wanted you all to buy adaptors whereas BMD probably reasoned it might be an unnecessary expense considering all the EF glass out there ready to go.
Thank you for your video. I was wondering if I'm the only who thought the same. I also own some EF lenses, but most of my lenses are FD and M39. I would have loved to see them join L-Mount and go fullframe, then this camera would be perfect.
i think you're absolutely right! i was just talking about this in a FB group today. alot of ppl use photography lenses that have focus by wire systems on these cinema cameras and use that to justify why EF mount is better but what about the group of ppl who've build a kit around MFT cinema lenses which have gotten very good in the last couple years? i think they should've went with some kind of system that would allow you to swap mounts, especially seeing as how we have to use their codec for the 6k feature and not everyone is comfortable using Resolv just yet.
There is a speed booster for the ursa mini that should fit on the Bmpcc6k and for me I mostly use m42 mount glass and am more than happy to mod the camera to my needs
Any idea where they get that sensor from? Even its no option for me because of the ef mount, i am curious to see the low light performance compared to the 4K. Is there any information out there regarding noise?
Sony... I think (color science)
The EF mount is the only reason I will get this over the 4k as I already have thousands in EF glass, and won't lose stops using the speedbooster.
Considering your opinion on EF-mount, I'd actually be really interested to hear your opinion on native MFT glass, since it's also not adaptable. Especially since I feel like the options for MFT cinema glass are starting to get really interesting, with the Fujinon MK zooms now in native MFT mount, Vazen is making native anamorphic lenses, etc.
I was thinking that they should've done E-Mount. But, that custom mount idea is fantastic. They should do that for all their future cameras. They already have their custom codec, cameras and NLE, so why not custom mount also.
People are complaining about click bait title but 99% of you guys would had click on the video regardless of the title.
Thanks for the review. I just dont understand why nobody can really get it right. It seems like if they brought a bunch of you pros together to brainstorm you could make the ultimate camera! Instead we consistently get "almost" every time there is a new release.
While I agree that not everyone has Canon glass lying around and maybe having a dumb adapter bridging the EF to 6k sensor gap would have been great idea . I think BMD has done another fantastic job . a 6k cine camera with full software included for well under £3k is the game changer . I have no need for this camera AND the fact that more memory and faster editing machines will be required . heck I still output in 1080 anyway ( cgi 4k is a huge cost ) .... The added hidden costs!!! I'll gladly buy another bmp4k .
Exactly! Thank you for mentioning the mount problem. Im not interested in this unit only because of this mount. Sony E Mount would have been perfect.
Ill wait for the Panasonic 8K releases for 2020.
It would be very, but very nice to have an update 2.5k (or 2.8k) option for the BMPCC 4k.
I agree with you
The Plant in the corner on the case makes me happy.
Thought the Problem would be the price or the battery life with the New sensor. I mean 6k or even 2.8k in 120 should need more Power to be handled. So i would expect a shooting time around 20 to 30 Minutes.
was my exact same and first thought when I saw the announcement. They should have done RF mount... with canon adapters (normal,ND or polarized filter one) it would've been much better. If you have another lens mount you can still adapt from RF or EF. Having a universal adapter like you mentioned sounds very good too but I doubt we'll see anything like that anytime soon probably because of manufacturing/design, and even licensing?