Pros vs Ams | GOLF SET UP and ADDRESSING THE BALL!
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- Опубліковано 17 чер 2024
- In today's video, Mike and Shaun go DEEP into how the best players set up their golf shots and address the ball!
As you may know, what you do BEFORE the shot is incredibly important to how good (or bad) your shot is.
This video will walk you through a PRO-LIKE setup and address that you can take to the golf course immediately, as well as a pre-shot routine that will explode your golf swing!
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At the British Open in 1960, the four times (later five times) Open champion Peter Thomson was having a drink with the great golf journalist Henry Longhurst. Longhurst asked Thomson why he hadn't written a golf instruction book. Thomson replied that he would be a bit embarrassed because he thought that all you need to know about the golf swing could be written on a single A4 piece of paper. He then proceeded to give Longhurst a lesson on the alignment and tilt of the shoulders at address, essentially the same as the lesson included in todays video. Thomson thought that if you get this right everything that follows is easy and natural.
Wow! Thats a great story.
This is gold. As usual. Great stuff guys.
Love the night homework!
It's adds that extra training to help with mind and muscle memory to use on the weekends, especially for folks that don't have a simulator at home. Brilliant!!!!
Very good video. Love the spine angle drill!
You guys are so wise!!! Your videos have transformed my swing. THANK YOU! Added 20-30 yards by just having much better mechanics. My friends can’t believe the transformation.
stare at the target glance at the ball is a Seve quote 👌
Great video, I’m finally hitting the driver with consistency. I was under the misconception to close my shoulder. Thank you much guys.
For all intents and purposes I’ll just say that video was spot on
😂😂
great video, the ending stare at target glance at ball what an insight
I just had a lesson where i was introduced to this neutral head/spine position. I always thought that you needed to be tilted away from the ball. My ball striking was a weak glancing blow even on relatively solid strikes. In a matter of minutes I was flushing the ball off of the sweet spot. My ball trajectory was piercing and I was hitting a baby draw. My distance increased even when I was working on this with a 3/4 swing. I'm excited about playing and practicing again. Thank you for the explanation on the spine non tilt and the slightly open shoulders at address. These new positions feel odd to me but I know they are correct. You're videos have a lot of good information and are well explained. My instructor said to not get too caught up in UA-cam videos but I'm pretty sure he'd be okay with yours.
This is helpful stuff and thanks again 👍
This video is so timely, I'm a new premier member, just this week this came to me that when I set up was incorrect, I found myself as I tried to drip my back Shoulder down, my head went backward rather than staying centered over my spine. I find now when I setup correct I feel I'm much taller, in a powerful position to hit the ball. Peter from Myrtle Beach, SC
Love it thanks guys really helpful. I was standing sooooooo closed
I was just playing around with this yesterday at the range - timely video as always!
haha LOVE IT! That's great to hear!
@@AthleticMotionGolf I found that if I'm a shade too far away from the ball my club-to-path goes up to around 5* in-to-out, but when I stand just a little closer I'm able to get that path down to 1-2* in-to-out. It's also reinforcing me to get the body through the swing as the only way to get the club back to the ball is by making a solid sequenced turn to clear the hips and let the arms fall down the line and thru the ball. Next step - retraining the hands to be more neutral at impact (face angle) given the club is on a better path thru the ball.
@@toddmanley2983 great awareness there! Most golfers tend to stand too far away from it and don't realize how close the pros stand. It's always better to move away form it coming down than towards it.
Great vid lads.
Ive seen a couple of your vids where you mention how pros drop (greater left knee bend) at the top and still drop down some more before impact. It got my attention and like to see a vid on that. I have given it some range time and am seeing more distance but, hoping Im developing bad habits. Thanks for all of the vids!! Always great material!!
Thanks for the kind words :)
Amazing, because in the last two years ive had two different coaches teach me two different extremes from set up perspective. This is exactly what I've been looking for to help fix the issues that have been caused the last couple of years.
Same here!
Thanks guys always!
You're welcome :)
Wow guys, I have working on getting a little more open but was having issues topping and pulling the ball (Last year I switched from playing right handed to left handed). I realized watching this video that my spine was tilting forward (i had no idea that I was doing that) I guess that's a remnant from playing right handed. Once I added a little tilt the other way I stopped topping and pulling the ball at the range. Guys, keep the drills and tips coming I can't to get out a play now.....
Great video!
Another keeper! One of the things I’ve been doing to align myself better is pick a target on the ground about 2 feet in front of the ball if possible and line up to that…then, once I’m aligned to that, I’ll glance up at my target and make sure I’m aligned before firing.
Has to be one of the first things we should teach new golfers. Nice work, nice video
Thanks!
Another winner here fellas. I hope we youtube is making you rich, I even watch the commercials
i messed around yesterday with the bent right arm at address and a bit flying elbow for me at the top....30 years of golf, it was a completely different feeling. You made a point on the locked to bent to locked again, which i played most of my life and i struggle with my right elbow getting too forward and in, and the club "dropping under". The feel changes were the overall wrist motion is less, which was great after about ten balls and the release was more of a "pull swipe" instead of a "push extend"....the clubface doesn't move as much and its easier to get on top with my arms extending well after the shot...the feel through the shot which i struggle with under pressure feels more with rotation of torso as opposed to arm extension to square the face. thx guyz and great work!
could you guyz address "head weight"? i've been messing with it and just a slight position change of your head weight completely changes all the feels in your golf swing. i noticed if a start with my weight slightly forward and my head weight not back, the swing "feels" are more extending away and pulling "towards" instead with my head weight slightly back more of a pulling back to pushing through....make sense of course?
great video!
Thank you, great help. Use a screenshot from your hip rotation video as background on my PC. Just as a reminder.
You two guys are so perfectly interactive with each other in both your descriptive narrations and physical engagement while depicting the actual method or specific task, that it makes these instructional suggestions SO much easier to internalize. And I mean that in being able to internalizing these critical details both mentally and physically. Between Danny Maude delivering the easily understood basics and you guys drilling into those finite details that make MASSIVE changes in strike compression and ball flight consistency in a way that’s very simple to comprehend and emulate, I have been able to completely re-form my swing to a level I honestly never thought I would be able to get to. I now swing with less effort and have realized DRAMATIC gains in ball flight penetration and yardage while producing dead straight shots from a neutral address position. And that’s with literally every club in my bag!! It’s absolutely amazing and I really can’t thank you enough for putting this content out there. Seriously. 👍🏻😎👍🏻
I couldn’t agree with you more. I really like the way AMG and Danny Maude break it down using simple and relatable steps.
Coincidentally there’s another recent video stressing a more upright posture with a rotational baseball like swing. Others stress a more tilted forward bend with shoulders over or in front of feet creating a steeper shoulder plane. Which do you recommend??
I would love to see a mid-iron vs driver for ams and pros. How different are those swings?
Amazing......again. I actually got an old school black and white notebook to take notes on these videos. They are just soooo good
Food for thought on future content: do you see swing changes that need to happen with old golfers or golfers with flexibility issues compared to the pros? For example, if I don’t have the back flexibility to get into that “tour look”, do I have to reinterpret that 2inches back 4 inches forward video and slightly tweak my timing?
Thanks as always gentlemen
We will try to work an answer to this into a video!!!
Great video
Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
The level of depth and quality of these videos... thanks guys!
Thanks!!!
First,
WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?!?!
Second, have you been watching me? I was at the range last Saturday and I noticed that I was just a tad TOO open with the shoulders, so I was pulling it a couple yards. I just made a conscious effort to set up more NEUTRAL like you said, and suddenly I was hitting the marker signs with my shots. Beauty lesson.
Also,
WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?!?!
Haha! We have been working and not lounging around TOO much, I swear :P - Haha, we did go MIA for a little bit there, but it was due to shooting new training nad an incredible amount of content for UA-cam! Safe to say that "Notifications" from AMG will be coming CONSISTENTLY from now on lol! Great to hear on your swing and we're SO GLAD to be BACK!
Awesome video. What happens to me alot is I setup looking at the ball instead of the fairway, my friends say, "you are aiming to the right". I adjust left (without looking again) and then hit a terrible shot because i feel uncomfortable so I appreciate the step by step setup.
I once was foolishly one of those friends and saw the same result so I keep my mouth shut. I think people unconsciously try to "correct" for being in the correct position. I bet that the last part of the video where Mike points to fixating on the target and not the ball would probably help a lot of these alignment issues.
So nice guys. Since we are in the set up stage can you advise if the upper arms are on top of the pecks or tight to the sides of the chest or loose against the sides of the chest. Really confused about this part of the set up. Tks
These videos are incredible. I greatly appreciate them. I'm just curious how often Mike has accidently wacked Shaun while making these? Shaun seems a little gun shy! Dreaming of making it there for some lessons one day.
For aim/alignment I stand behind ball and find something a foot in front of my ball that is in line with target. I try to line up parallel to a line between the ball and that spot. That way I only need to look down range to distant target only once or twice. Do same with my putting. Don't know if it's righ or not but it seems to work for me.
If it's working, don't change it👊
As usual, I took a wrong turn. But I had to let you know this was GREAT. I have a contracture in my knee (post injury) Over the years, I've "compensated". But results were sketchy at first,and got worse from there, Thanks, Shaun, for the "tail" trick.
No problem!!
Hi guys, only 4 minutes in but need to make my tee time 😂, I’m just wondering about the shoulder alignment. When I see most pros from down the line view I have noticed that you can see their left arm behind their right arm. With me my right elbow and arm obscures my left arm so it makes me think I’m aiming my shoulders too far left. That makes me think the pros shoulders are pointing to right? Or is it their grip being strong which brings their left arm more over with their right arm more relaxed with palms facing more towards sky?
Never stop what you chaps are doing. I teach a couple hundred people each week. Keep telling them to subscribe to you lads - we’ll change the world eventually 🙏🏻☮️
One golfer at a time😊
@8:29 I'd love to make some of the moves the pros make, and i'd love to have their ability to aim. I must have aiming issues because for me to get a straight/draw type of shot I have to have my feet open and my shoulders square or a little closed. I think it's most likely I tend to aim my feet very closed, and for me having me feet feel open is actually just square.
I love your presentations! Just to clarify, did you say achieving the tilt at address is accomplished by shoulder flexibility and not spine angle change? That seems to make really good sense to me and I have never seen that topic presented in that fashion.
yessir. More so shoulder tilt than flexibility. But your right, not through spine tilt.
Hi guys,
I struggle with a push slice mainly and I’ve been told it looks like my hips are closed and shoulders open. I believe my hips look closed though because I naturally like to drop my right foot back a bit (I think subconsciously it helps me rotate more on the backswing) which I think gives the illusion my hips are more closed than that may actually be. Any thought though on if I should work on getting that right foot more square?? Or should I just focus on this set up feelings first of hips shoulders spine?
Is there an easy way to get the hips over the ankles? Like feedback to know whether I’m doing it correctly?
What is the proper position of the ball from the body when you step in? What controls this - the length of the club?
"Stare at the target. Glance at the ball." That's a keeper.
Does this work with the putter?😜
Keegan is the type of guy you want to root for, he was the #2 golfer on his high school team. Always the underdog
I'm wondering if I adjust my set up to more of a tilt from my hips and get from how I presently bend my knees and upper body is more upright stance will this change my low point?
“Stare at the target, glance at the ball,” is Jim Flick if I’m not mistaken. On Golf.
Could you please do something on Mac O Grady’s swing on here? That would be awesome! I been doing his swing and have gained yards to my long irons I am no longer hitting the 3 4 5 the same distance and getting consistent strikes in dead nuts middle of club face....would love to hear your take on his swing
He could really hit it!! LEft and right handed
how are your feelings about shaft being vertical vs with a little forward press at address?
Vertical to a couple degrees forward with irons is what we see with pros. Vertical to couple degrees back with the driver.👍
Can I send you guys a swing video for some help?
We open up "iLessons" the the public for a couple days per month. Go on our website and enter you email so you'll be notified when the open up again :)
athleticmotiongolf.com/ilessons/
How do you account for the shoulder tilt as demonstrated by the swing models?
The shoulder tilt with regards to what? Can you give me a little more info as to what you're asking about?
The right hand is lower than the Left hand on the club. That’s part of it
I think in the video it says to get the shoulder tilt (at address) using the independent shoulder/upper back muscles - NOT by tilting your spine away from the target. For me - without a club - I "reach" down with my right hand to where it has to be, and that drops my right shoulder.
Athletic Motion Golf during the video you stressed not to tilt the spine to get shoulder tilt at address.
Hip and shoulder open?
I’m confused on the slightly open shoulders, every one says keep shoulder closed to swing in to out?
That’s why you gotta listen to folks who can measure this stuff 😉
Wouldn’t open shoulders promote a toe strike and wipe across it unless you dumped it under and swung to the right . Thanks
Exactly right👊
@@AthleticMotionGolf thanks it seems like a common flaw is because the right hand is lower on the grip it has the shoulders open a couple degrees but then players set their hips and feet to that open shoulder and boom, here comes the wipe
Since the driver is longer and your stand more upright why would your hand be further away that doesn’t add up?
Setting up out on the course is so much harder than anything else. Even sometimes see the pros set up wrong and hit an average shot
Ok so how do u tilt ur right shoulder without tilt on ur back ?
The shoulders can lift and lower independent of the spine tilting… shoulder shrug is an example of this.
I realised after a covid break that my shoulders were closed. I fixed that and immediately hit the ball better. I then got another fault to trash my game ;-)
haha. Hang in there!!
I'll be this actually works!
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How I address the ball: HELLO BALL! GOODBYE BALL!
haha i like it
Looks like Rory
First five minutes is describing bad form. Skip to 5:18 to learn more about correct form.
I think this pro is Collin morikawa
I swear I press/release my shoulders towards the ball coming into impact. I mean I can move the club 2-3” just by squeezing my shoulder blades together or releasing them. I’m probably not describing correctly, but maybe you guys have seen it.
Yes I understand what you're saying. How are you setting up to the ball in terms of your shoulders?
@@AthleticMotionGolf If you’re meaning as in open/square/closed, I’m slightly open. This all just dawned on me yesterday during practice and maybe it’s doing something else, but keeping more scapular retraction did wonders for my contact. I have been plagued by “run out” for years, FYI, so not sure if this is helping with that or not - I’ll get it on video soon. I’m probably a freak, but just wanted see if you guys had ever seen that before.
"We can land on the surface of the Sun, but only if we arrive at night!" J Binden
Well that doesn’t make sense
Everybody coached to the 100 amd above, where's the work for 10 and below
Seems a little forward for iron shots. Looks like the ball is in the same place for driver and iron. I dont know anyone who hits a 6 iron and a driver with the same ball position. Moving ball back raises the right shoulder, that is a basic setup you guys missed. Nice 3D stuff.
If he moved the ball back he might be better than a top tier ball striker I guess.
I actually disagree, at least for me, slightly closed shoulders set me up for an effortless swing. Gets me closer to impact position. Also gets my right arm to start in a relaxed position ready to fold tight to my body. Feels more like an under arm throw. From there I can hit a cut or a draw. To each their own.
It's really good advice, but don't watch this the night before a round. Play _your_ game during a round. Assimilate this advice whilst on the range and introduce it 3 holes per round when it starts becoming successful.
Can you study more top golfers to see if their shoulders are really open at setup? Not just one top golfer..
The players in our database have won over 330 times on tour. The players we show in our videos represent what the vast majority do relative to the topic being shown. We’ve never studied just one top golfer😉
Instead of focusing so much time on how amateurs do things wrong, it would be great if you spent your video time emphasizing how to do it correctly. Thank you.
interesting take Greg, we believe in meeting players where they are and helping them on the path to the result versus just showing the end result alone. thanks for the comment.