These designers most likely are getting the OK first from the Galactic council before making these DLC's ... the last thing we need is in intergalactic lawsuit.
I think your video description has two errors: "This new *Stellatis* DLC will release alongside the Stellaris *Combat Rework* in 3.8 Gemini." Misspelling + Shouldn't it say "Multiplayer Co-op" instead of "Combat Rework"?
Leaders have always felt a little tacked on in Stellaris, so it'll be nice having them maybe feel like people instead of bonus stat chips to just plug into a slot.
The fact that you can just fire opposition leaders with no consequence, and have them go away within a democracy made no sense. We should have to deal with political rivals, and ruthless heirs.
Whatever your opinions of Paradox,you gotta give it to them that they know their branding. 'Overlord' 'Paragon' 'Nemesis' are all cool sounding names that can tell probably make you guess correctly what part of the game it focuses on.
@@Sanvone isn't that one super good because your leaders stop getting stubborn, addicted to drugs, corrupt and what not? it's pretty essential for my max lifespan and max rank build, 200+ years and 10 ranks are A LOT of opportunities to develop bad traits
@@letsplaysvonaja1714 getting highranking Leaders isnt too hard and bad traits arent that impactful in most cases so using one Civic slot just to make them a bit better isnt worth it, youd rather take a Civic that gives your economy a boost or gives you an edge somewhere else. Philosopher king right now is nothing more than a roleplay civic.
Personally I'd love to see them add leaders from the precursor races, or at least a couple of them. The Last Baol as a Paragon instead of kind of a relic could be great. Finding a Cybrex before the Contingency shows up could be great warning about who is coming.
I don't think interfering with the conclusion of the Baol precursor event would make it better. But finding a lone Grunur militarist paragon after the relic in response...that could be interesting.
This may not be THE internal politics DLC, but I think it's at least a step towards it. IMO, the fact that leaders have their own ethics strongly suggests that this update is directly preparing for a significant internal politics rework.
I agree, this is an exceptional framework to put more IP onto. By identifying Leaders with a homeworld, an Ethic, and a Faction allegiance (previously each Faction only had one Leader associated with them, right?), there's the basis for way more factions and stuff like self-autonomy movements, ambitions for certain council seats or appointments, rebellions, betrayals etc etc... PLUS, now that the Sectors system is customisable again, Empires will really start to feel more like pieces of a greater whole. THAT could connect into IntPol as well. Imagine a Faction corresponding to outlying sectors, and a rising Governor positioning to have that Sector broken off as an autonomous region? OR imagine a Militarist General or Admiral in a Pacifist Empire, worrying about a growing external threat and agitating for a change in policy and pre-emptive action against it? These could make for some really good emergent stories in Stellaris and I'd love to see them.
Even if factions go unchanged, this fulfills my desire for an intricate internal government. This does raise many questions: How are hive mind/machine intelligence leaders going to be flavored? How will this change existing leader related civics like Philosopher Kings? Also, unique leaders already exist - how will they get reworked into these paragons? Will any of this affect Envoys? Hope to learn more about this as news unfold.
@@alexandrewildfire6405They might get something. I’m thinking of something like Seven of Nine or Locutus of Borg (Star Trek), Legion (Mass Effect), Old One Eye (40K), or the Cerebrates (StarCraft Zerg) Seeing as all of those hive minds have individuals that act as routers or repeaters for the hive mind, and that’s how it looks like Paradox thinks of their hive minds seeing as you need to hire admirals, researchers, and generals. So probably something like that for hive minds
NEW COUNCIL MECHANICS Assign leaders to vital positions and set agendas to steer your empire as you see fit. In Galactic Paragons, find dozens of unique council roles based on your civics and government types, and unlock additional positions as your empire evolves! get ready for the Crusader kings style council
Venerable lithoid necrophages with those silly "useless" leader rank and xp gain traits and the philosopher king civic They can become old as rock and won't even get bad traits
This leader DLC has potential in the future to develop a compelling internal politics system if they work on the interaction with the faction system. It also opens a chance to have the government types to be more balanced as well with more variables to alter to do so, like standard council size, leader pool, effectiveness based on faction happiness-modifiers... Second, if the Scion-origin would enter a FE-council member in your government as they like to meddle so much, that would make for an interesting setup with great bonuses but more difficulty to rebel, for example. Third, if that is the Omega Alignment of the Worm, maybe we could get an animation of it coiling around the sun as cataclysm overcomes our homeworld. It probably isn't because good luck having the Event Horizon occur naturally, but one could hope.
@Vedran Noneofyourbusiness And what's wrong with that? It's only $20, for something the community has been clamouring and calling for for years. Besides, Paradox always give the base mechanic reworks for free, it's the powerful flavoursome extensions and further choices of those mechanics which you gotta pay for. But it's worth it.
@@ThatGuyNicho It's a shitty business model that incentivizes them to release deliberately incomplete games so they can complete them with hundreds of dollars of DLC over the next 10 years. If you don't see anything wrong with that, you do you.
Just when i think "I don't need a new Stellaris DLC, the game is fine as is", they just keep exceeding my expectations. Every aspect of the game is becoming better and better!
I'm REALLY excited to see the 'Under One Rule' origin, I'm very curious to see how that plays out. Plus the two new tradition trees. I feel like all of that will fit my playstyle quite well.
This new leader system resembles the hero system from Endless Space 2, where you have control over the skills your leaders gain and the way they progress.
i'd imagin it'd be less of a traditional council and more of core processors.. they'd work to partition the thought power of the collective for easier multitasking.
@@Mythicalyst Answering? Who said anything about that? A council of ministers makes sense as an assembly of subroutines for a Gestalt Consciousness, and we just got a new Hivemind namelist that's much more individualistic.
the announcement video made me want a few cryo-stasis origins.. ideas i could think of would be: start off awakening in pods aboard a crashed city-ship. you're clearly not on your home world. you'd start a quest chain to discover where you came from, why you left, if theres any of your people out there remaining, are you where you were setting out to go or did you fail to reach your destination, how long were you in cryo, etc. (it'd kinda mix elements of lost colony and on the shoulders of giants). this could have variables when you start the game such as the amount of time you were in cryo, why you left your home world, and if others of your kind remain so it'd be different each playthrough second idea would be to have you awaken in a cryo-stasis lab/bunker (like in fallout 4). most likely being on your home world you wouldnt have to cotten-eye joe it (where did you come from, where did you go) but why and how long would still be a question. this could have light scion and shoulders of giants vibes, maybe somebody else put you into cryo on your home world for a reason.. but maybe not and it was just you who did it to yourselves.. again variables of who did it, why, and how long could change the feel of the origin each time you play it..
This sounds like a really big and hopefully very fun DLC. I like the idea of having some input as to how your leaders develop as they gain experience, and the "hundreds of new leader traits" thing has a lot of potential in terms of adding depth and flavor to the game. I'm definitely looking forward to this one.
Oh I think it'll take a week or two before someone mods it into the game. Imagine having Tzeentch or Slaneesh in your council though...wait would they reform the Shroud Covenants like that?
Part of me really hopes that Knights of the Toxic God is integrated in some way so we can get unique knight themed leaders or traits. Especially given how the knights from the story bits were random names picked out from your empire, they could become far more significant with a DLC like this!
I think internal politics might be something they are working towards, but are trying to establish a solid foundation for. This DLC may provide that combined with the espionage mechanics.
I would really like to see an internal politics rework, with new factions, more depth and more interactive storytelling. This DLC is not internal politics though, afaik the factions aren't getting reworked. It would be a good basis for a rework however!
Quite fun. I've taken a break from Stellaris for a few months, which includes a number of DLC releases, but I planned on coming back in May, so this'll be a perfect time to get back into the swing of things.
Might be worth it for them to review a few events where your scientists are killed. Maybe give them a chance to escape or something. Might be unintentionnally punishing if a silly event kills your level 25 gigachad scientist for exemple lol.
Looks really cool. Gonna wait for the eventual DLC review to see if it lives up to expectations, but I think this might be one that I won't be able to wait for it to go on sale
I have to tell that this does look amazing. I love giving leaders the love they deserce. For example I almost always call the first planet I colonize with the name of the ruler and the second ine with the name of the scientist who discovered it.
I think theres actually going to be more Voice over too! In the Lysator Syng panel, theres a little audio prompt which means that they may be fully voiced over.
on just the face of it, I'm reminded A LOT of endless space and how heroes work there. or more accurately, it seems a significant step in that direction. I'm also very curious to see what a certain mod is going to do with a certain catlike Kaiser.
This reminds me of the legendary Governors/Leaders from Masters of Orion 2. Where they level up and they all have their own traits where you can specialize them. Such as Environmentalist, Spiritualist, Famous, Diplomat, Charismatic, Economic, etc. I am glad they brought a mechanic like that in Stellaris.
The more RP the better. There is a reason that The Templin Archives' Greater Terran Union is beloved by the community, it intertwined the gameplay with storytelling in such a wonderful way. If PDX can encapsulate that Stellaris will remain the best space game for years to come.
Little baby in trailer made me think of superman's origin story. I wonder if these legendary paragons will be immortal or if you will need to really rush those leader age repeatables. On an unrelated note, I wonder how they have decided to address Hive Minds and Machine Intelligences with the council.
Cant wait to get an event where a member of the leader pool asks why he cant be in the council and the choices we had is either, because there is an invasion of a species that we had a defense pack of you can't be in the council and the other one being take a seat
Well, I was right in that the redacted portions of the screenshots were about leaders, but you were right in that a DLC was coming. I'm quite surprised at the short notice between announcement and release. I am loving what I'm seeing with the new depth to leaders, and I'm already relooking at the potential of a leader focused Progenitor Hive with this DLC, or maybe have fun RPing these mechanics with a Divine Cult empire (I might have that civic name wrong). As for the leader looks, I'd hazard to guess that the "normal" looking ones are base leaders that you'd normally get, and those with far fancier portraits are more likely unique paragons. At least bird boy is likely one of the legendries, the bearded guy maybe not as he has a similar profile arrangement as the others. Hmm...with leaders of different levels costing different upkeeps, I wonder how Feudal Society will change, if it does, because as it stands, that civic waives all Leader upkeep, which would be even stronger with this DLC. For the Veteran Classes, it seems like there's 3 for each leader time, and they seem to be the icon under leader type, things like "Analyst" for scientists or "Tactician" for admirals. As not all leaders have these Veteran Classes, I'd wager at the very least they provide some sort of additional buff, but what kind of buff that's separate from their traits remains to be seen.
2:25 Is this their praxis this time around, to make more frequent Dlc:s that focuses on specific parts and still demand full price for it? Cant say im fond of the rampant milking.
The fact I can more easily grab Engineer is beautiful. Can't wait to run Engineer, and Unyielding though it seems we can have more than the average two traits. I also wonder if we're able to raise one of our leaders to a "Hero" level leader. If so, that would bring so much to rp, especially for those who like to run with Imperial Cult (Perhaps the cult will allow you to raise leaders to something like saints, similiar in 40k?) The emperor being a "Heroic" Tier leader would make sense for the Imperial Cult, but if it's galaxy based then perhaps not so much, but empire based? Yeah. I wonder if the "Under One Rule" will allow us to have our ruler at the start be the founder of the empire. I really hope so, and really like rping that kind of thing, sucks that it usually means he is immortal because of how the flavor shows it as, and the abysmal rng from the shroud makes it nearly impossible to get the immortal chosen one trait.
This is just amazing! I am new to Stellaris and never bought a DLC, but this DLC is exactly what the game excels at for me. There is just so much roleplay and at least for me, the game happens more in my head than it does on screen. :) I always roleplayed that my immortal Empress has a council and now it becomes reality. I am currently in my first real campaign and I wanted to start from scratch anyway, as I learned many things that are now impossible to remedy. My destruction might be near. Now the game could use a tiny sprinkle of Crusader Kings and allow some more deliberate actions such as murdering NPCs or swaying them.
The hands logo on venerated is similar to the +unity overtuned trait. Also irl venerated leaders/heroes are often a rallying point or unifying force. So I'm gonna guess something to do with unity. I'm also seeing a big upsurge in the use of the feudal society civic.
I wonder how gestalts will fare with this update, as they use leaders like everyone else. Maybe it'll be like they're ganglia for hive minds or parallel processors for machines. Either way, it'll be interesting to find out!
I hope that they update that event where you find the scientist chick and she unlocks 2 techs for you so that she is also a paragon instead of just some random human scientist stranded in space somewhere. Also the dude who narrates the trailer I hope he ends up being basically Superman, but if he is blue, and assuming we can rename the paragons, I will change his name to Megamind.
That level 10 leader in the video might be the xenophobe you rescue from a shielded word. I bet the Oracle will make an appearance with something unique to it now, as opposed to the vanilla unity production boost. Good times. Would be fun if you could get a unique fallen empire leader when playing Scion origin as well.
Wow never thought stellaris will explore the leaders, but I wonder if they saved the internal and/or politics for an another DLC or a free update. Damn I am so excited.
I suspect the robot hero you can save from the ferroplague will become one of these paragons, and there are a few other examples that already exist ingame.
Glad to see that leaders are finally being made interesting and also that the RNG involved with them is being cut down. They will need to revisit how machine empires generate unity though, if higher level leaders cost more unity because the sprawl rework kind of did a number on machine empires in that aspect. Curious to see if they'll do anything with leader lifespan traits or if those will stay as is. If so, will be interesting to see if this rework makes those worthwhile traits. It'll also be interesting to see how this shakes things up. Not looking forward to how hard it's going to be to choose civics and traditions. Got to wonder if we're hitting a point where maybe the devs should let us research the ability to get four by default, given that we're being given 8 more and we know future dlcs will only add more and revamp the weaker ones. Traditions are fine, I'll admit, we have somewhat hard choices now on that front, but it doesn't quite seem like we have so many that the current cap feels too restrictive. Bummed that we don't appear to be getting an internal politics rework, but maybe we get that next time around or they surprise us with that being part of the free features in 3.8. I mean, it does seem like a prime time to revamp internal politics.
They do seem really really adamant NOT to do an Internal Politics/Factions redux. Not by their words, but by their behaviour. I've seen so, so many mentions of it - more than any other request - for two years now. What we've gotten instead has been Unity rework, Vassals rework (Overlord), Primitives rework (First Contact), and now Leader rework (Galactic Paragons). I was skeptical that Vassals or Primatives reworks were needed but other people in the people convinced me (very rudely and bluntly) that they were both necessary and useful in their own right, so fair enough. A Leaders rework I didn't know we needed, but I'm massively hyped for it and fully on board, and I believe that the Unity rework was a very good thing. But I'm starting to get very despondent that no matter how long we wait or how often we ask, Internal Politics is never given and isn't prioritised. I can't figure out why, but I keep hoping.
For legendary im hoping they improve upon gray, one is probably the battleship you find inside the leviathan, one may be the caretaker robot though more likely he will be under that level. Lots of potential, im loving the idea of choosing my leader traits.
I am so hyped for this This seems like another important milestone towards internal politics and actual factions. I so badly want a faction, not even a government faction at that, to somewhat decide to set out for themselves and spontaneously colonise a world on their own
I've only played Stellaris since the Megacorp bundle back in December 2018(I played it for quite literally a day before 2.2 was released), but oh boy has it changed since even just then.
That obelisk at the end makes me think it might be the "star forge" where you find the "astrocreator" paragon. With that title, I would think his unique ship might act as a second juggernaut, but I'd like to see it have a non-combat construction ability or two maybe the ability to terraform without the energy cost (ship just has to stay in orbit like a science ship scanning), or maybe a more dramatic ability like extracting stellar material to turn small useless planetoids into viable worlds. The first would be a nice savings in the midgame, or a major boon earlier before you have the research. The later would be truly unique and game changing. I personally love building up multi-planet and habitat systems to truly capitalize on Starbase modules that affect colonies. It would be a game changer to have an astrocreator make garden systems for me to play with
Based on Galactic Paragons and First Contact; we might be moving away from small DLC which were species packs to mid size DLC that are hyper focused on one aspect of the game. Which makes sense. There are only a couple (if you stretch it) possibilities for more species packs, but a ton of systems that need updating to help mesh other systems together...which if PDX is going to be focusing on other games, helps send of Stellaris on a high note while still giving us the best version to play.
It’s sad to see content rushed out because of the studio closure. Excited for the new content, will be nice to consider leaders as more than just an RNG buff to farm for :-)
I wonder if they're going to redo those event chains or archeology sites that lead to leaders to make them feel more unique. Or the leaders you can get from those station-based NPC things.
I wonder if any of the precursors are going to get one of these unique galactic paragon leaders. I can’t see a Cybrex still being around, but there’s the Last Baol who you might be able to recruit
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Although it sounds like it's gonna be a smaller DLC, still pretty excited about leaders having more of a real impact and story behind them!
I’m on console edition, so I’m not gonna see this for a long while, we don’t even have Toxoids yet😢
These designers most likely are getting the OK first from the Galactic council before making these DLC's ... the last thing we need is in intergalactic lawsuit.
I think your video description has two errors: "This new *Stellatis* DLC will release alongside the Stellaris *Combat Rework* in 3.8 Gemini."
Misspelling + Shouldn't it say "Multiplayer Co-op" instead of "Combat Rework"?
Montu you predicted a new DLC, oh my god you are the GOD
Can't wait for the Renagades DLC with the reporter punching event
report to the capital world
we’ll bang ok?
I'm Galactic Emperor Shepard, and this is my favorite DLC on the Citadel.
I've had enough of your disingenuous assertions!
You joke but renegades would be a kick ass name for a internal politics expansion.
I understood that reference ^^
I have never seen so many stellaris updates in 1 go
I can’t wait till they fix the console version 😢
Last one was shit though
Press F to arctic. They made this be real
@Tyler Banns ?
@Tyler Banns ?
Leaders have always felt a little tacked on in Stellaris, so it'll be nice having them maybe feel like people instead of bonus stat chips to just plug into a slot.
Nah, it’s just that stuff has been improving around it
The fact that you can just fire opposition leaders with no consequence, and have them go away within a democracy made no sense. We should have to deal with political rivals, and ruthless heirs.
Precisely why I love the psionic path so much. Having one of your leaders ascend to Godhood is the most RPG thing you can do in this game.
* laugh in hive mind * Leaders are stat chips!
I believe they will still be chips plugged into a slot, just a little better.
A leader focused DLC? Nice to see them getting some more love, I always found Leaders to just kinda be flavorless bonus modifiers.
I hope the special leaders we can get from events get touched up via the paragon/legendary system.
Yeah it was dogshi
Whatever your opinions of Paradox,you gotta give it to them that they know their branding. 'Overlord' 'Paragon' 'Nemesis' are all cool sounding names that can tell probably make you guess correctly what part of the game it focuses on.
Especially Gemini, meaning twins referencing the co-op event.
I bet if they're planning on an expansion focused on fallen empires, it'd be named 'The Originals'
'First Contact', I hope we get 'Insurrection' - Internal Politics soon!
Oh and 'Wrath of Khan' ...
@@crocodileholethat name sucks
@@MontuPlays Actual internal Politics would be amazing. Maybe similar to victoria 3
The leader traits from civics and genetics might get pretty buffed from this DLC
I hopes so
You don't think that leader rank cap and faster xp gain are already good enough? :3
I hope some iffy civics make use of that rework (I'm looking at you Philosopher King...)
@@Sanvone isn't that one super good because your leaders stop getting stubborn, addicted to drugs, corrupt and what not?
it's pretty essential for my max lifespan and max rank build, 200+ years and 10 ranks are A LOT of opportunities to develop bad traits
@@letsplaysvonaja1714 getting highranking Leaders isnt too hard and bad traits arent that impactful in most cases so using one Civic slot just to make them a bit better isnt worth it, youd rather take a Civic that gives your economy a boost or gives you an edge somewhere else. Philosopher king right now is nothing more than a roleplay civic.
Personally I'd love to see them add leaders from the precursor races, or at least a couple of them. The Last Baol as a Paragon instead of kind of a relic could be great. Finding a Cybrex before the Contingency shows up could be great warning about who is coming.
That'd be badass finding a lone Cybrex.
What about Grey? It is pretty much born for this.
I don't think interfering with the conclusion of the Baol precursor event would make it better. But finding a lone Grunur militarist paragon after the relic in response...that could be interesting.
@@pieterfaes6263 Might be interesting to see what the last Grunur thinks about what his race did to the Baol.
This expansion on leader backgrounds gives a future dlc based on internal politics a lot more to work with. Motivations
This may not be THE internal politics DLC, but I think it's at least a step towards it. IMO, the fact that leaders have their own ethics strongly suggests that this update is directly preparing for a significant internal politics rework.
Yeah I agree they probably will make a factions dlc soon
I agree, this is an exceptional framework to put more IP onto. By identifying Leaders with a homeworld, an Ethic, and a Faction allegiance (previously each Faction only had one Leader associated with them, right?), there's the basis for way more factions and stuff like self-autonomy movements, ambitions for certain council seats or appointments, rebellions, betrayals etc etc...
PLUS, now that the Sectors system is customisable again, Empires will really start to feel more like pieces of a greater whole. THAT could connect into IntPol as well. Imagine a Faction corresponding to outlying sectors, and a rising Governor positioning to have that Sector broken off as an autonomous region? OR imagine a Militarist General or Admiral in a Pacifist Empire, worrying about a growing external threat and agitating for a change in policy and pre-emptive action against it? These could make for some really good emergent stories in Stellaris and I'd love to see them.
Even if factions go unchanged, this fulfills my desire for an intricate internal government. This does raise many questions: How are hive mind/machine intelligence leaders going to be flavored? How will this change existing leader related civics like Philosopher Kings? Also, unique leaders already exist - how will they get reworked into these paragons? Will any of this affect Envoys? Hope to learn more about this as news unfold.
Knowing how things go? Hiveminds are going go get the short end of the stick and not get a lot of usable stuff
I am also curious about the chosen one
@@alexandrewildfire6405They might get something. I’m thinking of something like Seven of Nine or Locutus of Borg (Star Trek), Legion (Mass Effect), Old One Eye (40K), or the Cerebrates (StarCraft Zerg)
Seeing as all of those hive minds have individuals that act as routers or repeaters for the hive mind, and that’s how it looks like Paradox thinks of their hive minds seeing as you need to hire admirals, researchers, and generals. So probably something like that for hive minds
Hiveminds are going to be Thai, but machine intelligences will just be some industrial food slurry with no clearly definable taste.
@@alexandrewildfire6405 you mean robots? Hives at least have more than 1 exclusive origin to play with.
Looks like a really solid and nice DLC. Thanks for the explanation.
Edit: Also, feels like they took inspiration from Kahless the Great from Klingons.
To be fair, who isn't inspired by the greatest Klingon in history?
I love using the venerable trait with feudal society civic. So this is such an awesome update for my individual tastes.
NEW COUNCIL MECHANICS
Assign leaders to vital positions and set agendas to steer your empire as you see fit. In Galactic Paragons, find dozens of unique council roles based on your civics and government types, and unlock additional positions as your empire evolves!
get ready for the Crusader kings style council
Venerable lithoid necrophages with those silly "useless" leader rank and xp gain traits and the philosopher king civic
They can become old as rock and won't even get bad traits
Paradox Arctic giving the Last hurrah
Yeah
This leader DLC has potential in the future to develop a compelling internal politics system if they work on the interaction with the faction system. It also opens a chance to have the government types to be more balanced as well with more variables to alter to do so, like standard council size, leader pool, effectiveness based on faction happiness-modifiers...
Second, if the Scion-origin would enter a FE-council member in your government as they like to meddle so much, that would make for an interesting setup with great bonuses but more difficulty to rebel, for example.
Third, if that is the Omega Alignment of the Worm, maybe we could get an animation of it coiling around the sun as cataclysm overcomes our homeworld. It probably isn't because good luck having the Event Horizon occur naturally, but one could hope.
I mean star cracking and the aetherophasic engine do it w explosions, the wom can do it without one
The faction system will be a separate $20 DLC, lmao
@Vedran Noneofyourbusiness And what's wrong with that? It's only $20, for something the community has been clamouring and calling for for years.
Besides, Paradox always give the base mechanic reworks for free, it's the powerful flavoursome extensions and further choices of those mechanics which you gotta pay for. But it's worth it.
@@ThatGuyNicho It's a shitty business model that incentivizes them to release deliberately incomplete games so they can complete them with hundreds of dollars of DLC over the next 10 years.
If you don't see anything wrong with that, you do you.
Just when i think "I don't need a new Stellaris DLC, the game is fine as is", they just keep exceeding my expectations. Every aspect of the game is becoming better and better!
I'm REALLY excited to see the 'Under One Rule' origin, I'm very curious to see how that plays out. Plus the two new tradition trees. I feel like all of that will fit my playstyle quite well.
The obelisk thing at the end gives me mid game crisis vibes. Not big enough to be on say a contingency scale but big enough to be in the L-gate tier.
I was thinking it may be a new megastructure. Wasn't Overlord the last DLC to add one?
@@tinkerwalls overlord added hyper relays and orbital rings, which aren't on the same megastructure calibre as a science nexus or dyson sphere
Overlord added the Quantum Catapult the last megastructure they added.
@@tinkerwalls I forgor 💀
L gate isn't end game tier?
Unique and interesting leaders and paragons.
Driven Assimilators: *Existence as you know it is over.*
It might be too much to hope for Dwarf Fortress level of detail, but this might be one of the DLCs I end up buying on release.
Best developers really love the updates!! Cant believe how they keep this game updated for years!
This new leader system resembles the hero system from Endless Space 2, where you have control over the skills your leaders gain and the way they progress.
My question is how is the council mechanic gonna work with Hive Minds and Machine Intelligences
hopefully more like the ethics branch mod and the robot expansion mod as well.
Knowing how they've treated Gestalts so far, probably will be disabled by selecting the Gestalt ethic...
i'd imagin it'd be less of a traditional council and more of core processors.. they'd work to partition the thought power of the collective for easier multitasking.
@@alpacalover0 you word it like that's a bad thing. Obviously a robot shouldn't need to answer to a council of its own making.
@@Mythicalyst Answering? Who said anything about that? A council of ministers makes sense as an assembly of subroutines for a Gestalt Consciousness, and we just got a new Hivemind namelist that's much more individualistic.
the announcement video made me want a few cryo-stasis origins.. ideas i could think of would be:
start off awakening in pods aboard a crashed city-ship. you're clearly not on your home world. you'd start a quest chain to discover where you came from, why you left, if theres any of your people out there remaining, are you where you were setting out to go or did you fail to reach your destination, how long were you in cryo, etc. (it'd kinda mix elements of lost colony and on the shoulders of giants). this could have variables when you start the game such as the amount of time you were in cryo, why you left your home world, and if others of your kind remain so it'd be different each playthrough
second idea would be to have you awaken in a cryo-stasis lab/bunker (like in fallout 4). most likely being on your home world you wouldnt have to cotten-eye joe it (where did you come from, where did you go) but why and how long would still be a question. this could have light scion and shoulders of giants vibes, maybe somebody else put you into cryo on your home world for a reason.. but maybe not and it was just you who did it to yourselves.. again variables of who did it, why, and how long could change the feel of the origin each time you play it..
This sounds like a really big and hopefully very fun DLC. I like the idea of having some input as to how your leaders develop as they gain experience, and the "hundreds of new leader traits" thing has a lot of potential in terms of adding depth and flavor to the game. I'm definitely looking forward to this one.
I hope they add new portraits for Immortal leaders. I'd love a council of leaders with the head being a glorious god emperor being.
That would be awesome!
Oh I think it'll take a week or two before someone mods it into the game.
Imagine having Tzeentch or Slaneesh in your council though...wait would they reform the Shroud Covenants like that?
And a option to apply secret life enhancing technices not available to the general public for your favorite leaders.
This DLC actually seems like a hefty update to some systems that needed more love, I’m super hyped for the new art and civics aswellllll
Part of me really hopes that Knights of the Toxic God is integrated in some way so we can get unique knight themed leaders or traits. Especially given how the knights from the story bits were random names picked out from your empire, they could become far more significant with a DLC like this!
I think internal politics might be something they are working towards, but are trying to establish a solid foundation for. This DLC may provide that combined with the espionage mechanics.
I would really like to see an internal politics rework, with new factions, more depth and more interactive storytelling.
This DLC is not internal politics though, afaik the factions aren't getting reworked. It would be a good basis for a rework however!
I can't wait to micromanage my 8 exploring scientists😍😍😍😍
Whaddafaq? 8 new civics and 2 new tradition trees? Bloody fantastic!
Quite fun. I've taken a break from Stellaris for a few months, which includes a number of DLC releases, but I planned on coming back in May, so this'll be a perfect time to get back into the swing of things.
Might be worth it for them to review a few events where your scientists are killed. Maybe give them a chance to escape or something. Might be unintentionnally punishing if a silly event kills your level 25 gigachad scientist for exemple lol.
Looks really cool. Gonna wait for the eventual DLC review to see if it lives up to expectations, but I think this might be one that I won't be able to wait for it to go on sale
I have to tell that this does look amazing.
I love giving leaders the love they deserce.
For example I almost always call the first planet I colonize with the name of the ruler and the second ine with the name of the scientist who discovered it.
I think theres actually going to be more Voice over too! In the Lysator Syng panel, theres a little audio prompt which means that they may be fully voiced over.
Think that may be the text to speech accessibility thing
Okay WOW did this blindside me. A FULL on expansion already?! SIGN me up.
If "Telisa the Teller of Tales" isn't one of the Paragons, I will mod her into the game immediately! I promise!
One could be from the origin mentioned, and the rest can probably be gained without origin
I hope there's more than that so you don't just end up with one fixed set.
on just the face of it, I'm reminded A LOT of endless space and how heroes work there. or more accurately, it seems a significant step in that direction.
I'm also very curious to see what a certain mod is going to do with a certain catlike Kaiser.
Starting the morning well. Thanks, Montu.
I thought they might be reworking leaders since they blotted out where the general goes when they talked about all the updates coming to armies.
This reminds me of the legendary Governors/Leaders from Masters of Orion 2. Where they level up and they all have their own traits where you can specialize them. Such as Environmentalist, Spiritualist, Famous, Diplomat, Charismatic, Economic, etc. I am glad they brought a mechanic like that in Stellaris.
Finally, mechanics for the council other than opposing my inevitable rise to Galactic Emperor!
Also PRIASE BE TO THE MAN EMPEROR OF MANKIND
The more RP the better. There is a reason that The Templin Archives' Greater Terran Union is beloved by the community, it intertwined the gameplay with storytelling in such a wonderful way. If PDX can encapsulate that Stellaris will remain the best space game for years to come.
"What is this long obelisk with goopy material leaking from the top?"
Phrasing, Montu, good Lord . . .
Oh no.
Dammit.
Little baby in trailer made me think of superman's origin story. I wonder if these legendary paragons will be immortal or if you will need to really rush those leader age repeatables. On an unrelated note, I wonder how they have decided to address Hive Minds and Machine Intelligences with the council.
Cant wait to get an event where a member of the leader pool asks why he cant be in the council and the choices we had is either, because there is an invasion of a species that we had a defense pack of you can't be in the council and the other one being take a seat
Well, I was right in that the redacted portions of the screenshots were about leaders, but you were right in that a DLC was coming. I'm quite surprised at the short notice between announcement and release. I am loving what I'm seeing with the new depth to leaders, and I'm already relooking at the potential of a leader focused Progenitor Hive with this DLC, or maybe have fun RPing these mechanics with a Divine Cult empire (I might have that civic name wrong).
As for the leader looks, I'd hazard to guess that the "normal" looking ones are base leaders that you'd normally get, and those with far fancier portraits are more likely unique paragons. At least bird boy is likely one of the legendries, the bearded guy maybe not as he has a similar profile arrangement as the others.
Hmm...with leaders of different levels costing different upkeeps, I wonder how Feudal Society will change, if it does, because as it stands, that civic waives all Leader upkeep, which would be even stronger with this DLC.
For the Veteran Classes, it seems like there's 3 for each leader time, and they seem to be the icon under leader type, things like "Analyst" for scientists or "Tactician" for admirals. As not all leaders have these Veteran Classes, I'd wager at the very least they provide some sort of additional buff, but what kind of buff that's separate from their traits remains to be seen.
Me who plays with many mods and has yet to get to end game with any of them “Can you stop releasing updates… FOR FIVE MINUTES?!?!”
2:25 Is this their praxis this time around, to make more frequent Dlc:s that focuses on specific parts and still demand full price for it? Cant say im fond of the rampant milking.
The fact I can more easily grab Engineer is beautiful.
Can't wait to run Engineer, and Unyielding though it seems we can have more than the average two traits.
I also wonder if we're able to raise one of our leaders to a "Hero" level leader.
If so, that would bring so much to rp, especially for those who like to run with Imperial Cult (Perhaps the cult will allow you to raise leaders to something like saints, similiar in 40k?) The emperor being a "Heroic" Tier leader would make sense for the Imperial Cult, but if it's galaxy based then perhaps not so much, but empire based? Yeah.
I wonder if the "Under One Rule" will allow us to have our ruler at the start be the founder of the empire. I really hope so, and really like rping that kind of thing, sucks that it usually means he is immortal because of how the flavor shows it as, and the abysmal rng from the shroud makes it nearly impossible to get the immortal chosen one trait.
I can’t wait until they add the performance update.
This is just amazing! I am new to Stellaris and never bought a DLC, but this DLC is exactly what the game excels at for me. There is just so much roleplay and at least for me, the game happens more in my head than it does on screen. :) I always roleplayed that my immortal Empress has a council and now it becomes reality. I am currently in my first real campaign and I wanted to start from scratch anyway, as I learned many things that are now impossible to remedy. My destruction might be near. Now the game could use a tiny sprinkle of Crusader Kings and allow some more deliberate actions such as murdering NPCs or swaying them.
I would definetly recommend buying utiopa at least if youre going to buy an dlc.
calling it now: leader hivemind builds will now be even more insane!
The alien in the cryopod in the trailer has the same portrait humans get when embracing the Worm. This is clearly a Worm expansion.
The hands logo on venerated is similar to the +unity overtuned trait. Also irl venerated leaders/heroes are often a rallying point or unifying force. So I'm gonna guess something to do with unity.
I'm also seeing a big upsurge in the use of the feudal society civic.
I wonder how gestalts will fare with this update, as they use leaders like everyone else. Maybe it'll be like they're ganglia for hive minds or parallel processors for machines. Either way, it'll be interesting to find out!
Really hope there are some interactions with Imperial Cult here.
Yes! Finally something that supports a bigger leader build!
Been wanting sometime this for years
The Stellaris team is the band playing as the Titanic sinks.
So this and Gemini are being released together? That's one heck of an update.
I hope that they update that event where you find the scientist chick and she unlocks 2 techs for you so that she is also a paragon instead of just some random human scientist stranded in space somewhere.
Also the dude who narrates the trailer I hope he ends up being basically Superman, but if he is blue, and assuming we can rename the paragons, I will change his name to Megamind.
That level 10 leader in the video might be the xenophobe you rescue from a shielded word. I bet the Oracle will make an appearance with something unique to it now, as opposed to the vanilla unity production boost. Good times. Would be fun if you could get a unique fallen empire leader when playing Scion origin as well.
Pretty big set of changes to systems, I'd assume this was being worked on for a while in the background while other expansions were being made.
I REALLY hope they're gonna make this new features also work with the Gestalt empires!
I really hope in co-op they add the ability to split off as a separate empire
22minutes in such a short time. go man go
Paradox is trying to keep me from buying food with this stuff!
Wow never thought stellaris will explore the leaders, but I wonder if they saved the internal and/or politics for an another DLC or a free update. Damn I am so excited.
This DLC is not internal politics, afaik the factions aren't getting reworked!
@@MontuPlays oh no, not again!
Can't wait for this new leader DLC and to use max neg lifespan in overturned origin.
I wish they would make a fallen empire focused large dlc
Montu, please release your tier list for ascension, traditions, and basically everything 😊
This is fucking big. Can't wait !!!
I suspect the robot hero you can save from the ferroplague will become one of these paragons, and there are a few other examples that already exist ingame.
Glad to see that leaders are finally being made interesting and also that the RNG involved with them is being cut down.
They will need to revisit how machine empires generate unity though, if higher level leaders cost more unity because the sprawl rework kind of did a number on machine empires in that aspect.
Curious to see if they'll do anything with leader lifespan traits or if those will stay as is. If so, will be interesting to see if this rework makes those worthwhile traits. It'll also be interesting to see how this shakes things up.
Not looking forward to how hard it's going to be to choose civics and traditions. Got to wonder if we're hitting a point where maybe the devs should let us research the ability to get four by default, given that we're being given 8 more and we know future dlcs will only add more and revamp the weaker ones. Traditions are fine, I'll admit, we have somewhat hard choices now on that front, but it doesn't quite seem like we have so many that the current cap feels too restrictive.
Bummed that we don't appear to be getting an internal politics rework, but maybe we get that next time around or they surprise us with that being part of the free features in 3.8. I mean, it does seem like a prime time to revamp internal politics.
They do seem really really adamant NOT to do an Internal Politics/Factions redux. Not by their words, but by their behaviour. I've seen so, so many mentions of it - more than any other request - for two years now. What we've gotten instead has been Unity rework, Vassals rework (Overlord), Primitives rework (First Contact), and now Leader rework (Galactic Paragons). I was skeptical that Vassals or Primatives reworks were needed but other people in the people convinced me (very rudely and bluntly) that they were both necessary and useful in their own right, so fair enough. A Leaders rework I didn't know we needed, but I'm massively hyped for it and fully on board, and I believe that the Unity rework was a very good thing. But I'm starting to get very despondent that no matter how long we wait or how often we ask, Internal Politics is never given and isn't prioritised. I can't figure out why, but I keep hoping.
You should of made Thanos a wallet in the intro, lmao.
I love stellaris new dlcs keep going to route of immersion, story telling and role play 👍
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Based on the ship design (Avian), it’s likely it belongs to Sharpbeak, which we saw earlier in the dev diary.
It's an Obelisk! Going to it reveals part of an ancient map to the ultimate treasure!
For legendary im hoping they improve upon gray, one is probably the battleship you find inside the leviathan, one may be the caretaker robot though more likely he will be under that level. Lots of potential, im loving the idea of choosing my leader traits.
It looks great but would be a shame if purifiers/ machine/ hive minds etc miss out on such a huge feature
15:06 Tribune of Rights = Tribune of the Plebs, Montu you've done it again
Stealth buff for Feudal Empire inbound; free leader upkeep is going to be big after this
Leaders…? **Great!!!** HALF MY MODS ARE BROKEN. I lost my save due to a bug, and now THIS?! Thanks so so SO much.
The building at the end, I get the sense that it's some Stellaris version of the Hero Academy from Endless Space 2
I did not ask for this, but that was because I never knew I needed this!
This is something that has truly peaked my interest in Stellaris again.
I just want a system that allows me to avoid needing to hire and fire 1000 scientists to fish for the spark of genius trait (or other leader traits).
I hope they add family trees at some point. It would be fun to follow lineages of imperial families.
Finally. I have wanted this for years; thank you so much Paradox!
If anything could've brought me back to playing Stellaris, its this! Can't wait :)
I am so hyped for this
This seems like another important milestone towards internal politics and actual factions.
I so badly want a faction, not even a government faction at that, to somewhat decide to set out for themselves and spontaneously colonise a world on their own
I've only played Stellaris since the Megacorp bundle back in December 2018(I played it for quite literally a day before 2.2 was released), but oh boy has it changed since even just then.
I see here some inspiration from Leaders in Galactic Civilization III, definitely it have some interaction, when you use them, or retire them
That obelisk at the end makes me think it might be the "star forge" where you find the "astrocreator" paragon.
With that title, I would think his unique ship might act as a second juggernaut, but I'd like to see it have a non-combat construction ability or two
maybe the ability to terraform without the energy cost (ship just has to stay in orbit like a science ship scanning), or maybe a more dramatic ability like extracting stellar material to turn small useless planetoids into viable worlds.
The first would be a nice savings in the midgame, or a major boon earlier before you have the research.
The later would be truly unique and game changing. I personally love building up multi-planet and habitat systems to truly capitalize on Starbase modules that affect colonies. It would be a game changer to have an astrocreator make garden systems for me to play with
Based on Galactic Paragons and First Contact; we might be moving away from small DLC which were species packs to mid size DLC that are hyper focused on one aspect of the game.
Which makes sense. There are only a couple (if you stretch it) possibilities for more species packs, but a ton of systems that need updating to help mesh other systems together...which if PDX is going to be focusing on other games, helps send of Stellaris on a high note while still giving us the best version to play.
"A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one"
Montu from now on I will support you
It’s sad to see content rushed out because of the studio closure.
Excited for the new content, will be nice to consider leaders as more than just an RNG buff to farm for :-)
I've been waiting for something like this forever. What I really need and want is Crusader Kings level character interaction
I wonder if they're going to redo those event chains or archeology sites that lead to leaders to make them feel more unique. Or the leaders you can get from those station-based NPC things.
I wonder if any of the precursors are going to get one of these unique galactic paragon leaders. I can’t see a Cybrex still being around, but there’s the Last Baol who you might be able to recruit