Update: Wow, the LFP battery is no longer offered... Crazy! I think points in the video still stand but in Canada anyway the new base model doesn't qualify for as many rebates which is a bummer.
Why does it still stand? I completely agreed with your point when it was $14k difference (BC rebate + 10k) however with the LR RWD vs LR AWD, the price difference is just $5k. Then it is definitely worth considering AWD versions more now.
The sound system is the big miss. I’ve always had subwoofers in my past cars and really miss it having a M3 RWD the old one before the longer range. That’s the one thing I really do miss is the better sound system. Oh just to clarify the sound system does sound amazing and you won’t be disappointed, but if you use two subwoofers and a little more punch, then the All-wheel-drive will have that.
I just bought the Model 3 long range single motor rear wheel drive that gets over 350 miles to the charge and I love it! I couldn't imagine having the high-performance dual motor, the single is plenty fast for me.
Nice! That range is wild. I know it is a nice speed... I often dream about getting the dual motor one but like you said how often would you ever use it? Hehe. What color did you get?
@surfsunvabeach sick! I got to ask people. I see a lot of people really like white interior....b Are you afraid of dirt?!! White seats would terrify me
@@TheSAHDLife My nieces picked the model and colors for the interior and exterior of car. The primary use is for me is to drive them to and from school. As for the white interior, I've only had the vehicle for a few weeks and no issues yet 🤞. Fortunately I have several other vehicles to choose from if I/we have any other errands planned and luckily they are mindful that they picked white. I'll say it again the car looks and drives awesome! !!!
When I made the decision for the base model 3 2 months ago the price difference between the base model three and the extended range model 3 was Just Way too much money. The base model three has certainly enough acceleration to suit anybody. The difference in range with the base model 3 LFP charging to 100% versus the extended range charging to 85% equates to both cars getting about the same range with probably a 10 mile variant, which is insignificant when you're charging on a trip. I leased my model three for 3 years 10,000 miles a year and my lease payment is $153.00 a month. Very, very happy with what I have..
Wow, great price! Yeah it sounds like we had the same thought process when choosing. I still think about the AWD and the better sound system, but it would have made our payments SO much more... there are just better things we can use that money for. I'm really happy with the car though. Love it! 👊
@@breezy8333 I used a little less than half the value of my $24,100 paid for trade. Now that TESLA allowS buyouts on a lease. I'm going to be in very good shape at the end of this three year lease unless they're gonna make something way way better than the 24 Highland that I have now. I know I put too much down. Caught up in the moment when I saw that payment. Looking back I don't regret it though. But it was a little.foolish.
It's crazy when I was looking at the website while making this video I saw some odd price points on the US site compared to the Canadian site. I didn't realize they removed the LFP battery's and switched back to the LR RWD models. I don't think they are as cheap to make those batteries so the price might be a little higher but like you said, at least you get that extra range now.
I have the 2023 model 3 RWD and it’s been great so far. I’m not a roadtrip person so the range is more than enough for me! I trickle charge for now but it does the job! I didn’t see the need to spend an extra $10k. I instead used it for things like full frontal PPF, tint, ambient lighting, puddle lights, mud flaps and other accessories!
That's awesome. PPF is tempting I can't decide if I should do it or not. No regrets on that? The accessories are kind of addicting I'm not going to lie. I sure love driving it. It kind of feels like we're late into the electric world but I have a feeling in the grand scheme we're pretty early adopters... We have another gas vehicle and I kind of don't even like driving it anymore. Loving the Tesla life 👊
@@TheSAHDLife I think if you can afford PPF go for it as Tesla paint is notoriously soft. I do a lot of highway driving and there’s lots of construction going on in my area so I’m glad I got it! But just the full frontal PPF. I don’t think you need to do it on the whole car. I honestly don’t see myself driving another car but Tesla. It’s only been a year but this is the first car that I’ve ever loved!
@leonaeffah4000 Yeah good call on the full frontal ppf lol. Makes sense. And yeah I'm kind of there with you right now... It's hard being team Tesla since Elon is such a big preference and makes people judge the cars like they are an extension of him for better ow rose... But their vehicles are just so good. I don't want to drive anything else either.
@@markanthony5719 It's been just fine in the rain. If you step on it the wheels will spin but the traction control kicks in right away. I haven't had any issues driving on twisty turnies in brutal rain. We'll see what happens when the temperature drops though.
In Ontario here. Bought my wife a MYLR as her new commuter and it's awesome. So great that now I want a model 3 for my vehicle. Used 2023's can be found for $42-45k with very low mileage. The ability to leave your house every day with full charge is a huge benefit!
Nice! Even with our standard range we have experienced ZERO range anxiety. We are able to charge it at home, and with our usage, the trickle charge from a standard 120v is enough. It's great. I think we're at 1500 kms and it's cost us about $22 in electricity so far? Loving that. Tough call on the last years model though... the new refresh just has some really nice features with the quieter interior and newer hardware. If you can somehow wait or get into the newer model I'd say do that, but if you can get last years on the lower end I'm sure it'd still be sweet to have.
One additional thing you are missing: the warranty of the long range vs. The one of the standard range. There is a difference there in favor of the dual motor long range.
I want to thank you for clarifying some doubts for me. I agree with you on all points discussed. The long range is undoubtedly the better of the two but objectively perhaps it doesn't make sense for everyone (also for me).
Really glad you found the video. We've had our Standard Range RWD for a couple months now, and while I fantasize about the AWD, we friggin' LOVE this car. It's amazing. It really is a smart choice. Are you going to get it?!
in Sweden the long range version is probably the most popular. But Sweden is a winter country. and the snow shoveling does not always work so satisfactorily. it can therefore be deep snow even outside the apartment and in the parking lot probably 30 cm in any case
Yeah that's nuts! I don't have any experience with cold weather yet on mine so I can't say... From what I read the NMC batteries are a little better in cold weather. Still seems a little sketchy having a EV in the winter but we'll see!
You should never run any EV battery to 0%. You risk bricking the car. Teslas are very durable and usually survive, but it's a really stupid thing to do. Once you get below 30%, you should charge the car. However, if you occasionally run it down to 10%, you probably won't have any problems.
Model 3 long range rwd is the optimal. Almost 600km EPA range is great. Don't need AWD. Has other options if it gets snowy. Or better yet, stay out of the roads. Combined rebate of $14k savings is fantastic. Put it in high yield stocks and watch it grow as vehicles value depreciate. Or use that to buy a used Miata.
Right? That range is fantastic... even with the range on our standard we have zero range anxiety and only charge it maybe every other week (depending on how much we've been driving). Funny you say that about the Miata though... always keeping my eyes peeled on a good used one. Or maybe a m4 coupe?
I feel ya! I got the long range but keep dreaming about the performance version. Here in Quebec, it doesn't qualify for the 12k (fed + prov) incentive, which would've made it 22k more than the long range--I could not justify it! You've made the right choice as there's no limit to human desire. :) Great video, keep it up!
Appreciate the positive vibes, thanks 👊 And I know... I tried to talk my wife into the performance one 😆 Maybe for the next one. It's basically my dream car. I mean honestly, I'm jealous of the one you got. I think that added performance would really be fun but hey, I'm still super happy, especially at the price point. Random question... I imagine you are happy too with your vehicle (what year did you get?), but I'm creating a list of things I don't like about it... I'd love to know if you have any and what they are?
@@TheSAHDLife Actually, I should thank you. Your video made me feel better about my purchase, but not for the reason you might think. You see...just as you are envious of those who got the LR, I am envious for those who got the performance, and rest assured that the performance guy is envious of the Porsche guy...so on and so forth. :) Naturally, but irrationally, we always desire more. To honest, all 3 versions of the car are exceptional, so congrats and enjoy it! This time next year, you won't even care anymore about which version you have and perhaps even be happier that you saved your money for something more important. Indeed, my family and I are very happy with the car. We went with the LR because it is our only car and AWD is almost a requirement for Quebec winters. Things I don't like, not much at this point but keep in mind I'm still in the "honeynoon" phase. :D I also don't mind the exclusion of stalks, might even prefer it. I think people tend to exaggerate in this regard. Nonetheless, here is a short list: - Brake pedal cover is rubber and looks cheap and the accelerator has nothing--bare metal! I purchased nice stainless steel set. Easy fix! - Have to buy things that should've been included in the car like console organizers, mobile charger, charger adapter mount, etc. - All weather OEM floor mats are very expensive, around 800 + taxes for a full set. Aftermarket is cheaper but not by much for good quality ones - Tesla's quality control terrible track record. Though the highland has excellent quality control, I am always on the lookout for imperfections that I might have missed. I found one so far, front doors were misaligned but Tesla customer service quickly took care of it. - Back door has no proper stepping area in the frame, so my child always steps on the insulation rubber to come out. - No electric frunk. - No sensors on bumpers. I am not convinced that the cameras only approach is superior.
@@cdude996 Great comment, thanks for taking the time. And yeah, good call about the upgrade-itis. Human nature I suppose. One day! It's very interesting to compare, I don't necessarily want to say dislikes but, things about the car we question on why they were made that way...maybe we're still getting used to. I'll get that video up in the near future. There will be Tesla videos for awhile :) So at least you and I will be entertained 😆 I just bought all the car washing stuff (ONR and everythign that goes with it... wax etc) and did my first wash just now. It looks fantastic. Enjoy your car too 👊
It's a hard buy in Germany. First i got a smaller car than the Tesla Model 3 but it's really frugal with gas and has a good size for driving inside our cities and getting parking. We get the SR+ RWD, the LR RWD and the LR AWD. I would love to get the LR RWD with more range and better sound system since i don't get any engine sound i would at least have a good sound system. However...a SR+ RWD would make the most economical sense since as you said, it's the best bang for your buck. The SR+ would cover 90% of my commutes, i can charge at home ( rooftop solar ) and in case i have to drive further which is generally 200km one way it still would be enough. BUT, the SR+ RWD here costs shy of 47k € because we don't get any rebates or whatever to reduce the price and a LR RWD costs shy of 52k € Extra options would be the the red paint and EAP. Interestingly enough our base color is "white" and not "stealth grey" like in North America...
Are you SURE the LR RWD comes with the premium audio? It does not here in North America so I would just triple check that before you make that decision if it's important to you. And yeah tough call. If I didn't have to share the decision with my accountant wife I would have gone for the full YOLO LR AWD because to be honest, this is basically my dream car. I love the SR but it just doesn't have that sound and oomph that really brings a smile to your face. It still does, and I think the LR RWD is even faster but... if you're spending that much money and know you'll keep the car 5+ years, I mean it's hard not to just get everything you want instead of settling. Sorry if that doesn't help 🤣
@@TheSAHDLife You might be right. I read conflicting information about it but it seems only the performance comes with the premium sound system. Good thing you questioned it. There is always the choice of going aftermarket sound system with woofers with less cost than buying stuff you don't need just to get the premium sound system. That 10k price delta just isn't worth it. 😁
Its not speed. Its acceleration. Its not for having fun. Its good to be able to overtake faster, or get fast out of dangerous situation. But yes. the acceleration of the SR is still better than 80% of other cars on the street and helps a lot. With LR, of course you will not use the full range every day. So you keep the battery around 60% and it will live longer than you. But you have extra range when you need it. To go visit family on the other side of your country... I was also thinking which one to buy. Its different for everybody. But for me, the winner is LR.
Oh come on... it's a LITTLE bit for having fun :) And it is fun! But you are right. It's so nice to have that passing power. I just love it. I think that LR version is great, I wish I had it. Are you thinking of getting one soon? Exciting.
Great video. I didn't know about the LFP battery. I would rather get 100% charge and not worry about the battery degredation. You matched exactly my use case.
Awesome! Glad you found the video 👊 I didn't realize either that in the States they literally just removed the LFP batteries because of tarriffs or something (they get them from China) so now you can ONLY get the long-range rwd with the NMC batteries. Here in Canada though we still have them. So are you getting a Tesla or have you got it already?!
@voldar70 it definitely does degrade but it gets double if not triple the amount of charge cycles compared to an NMC battery from what I've seen. It really only affects people that aim to keep the vehicle for a long time.
@@TheSAHDLifeCycles are not the part that cause the most degradation on an EV battery. Calendar aging is where you should concentrate, if you would like to minimize degradation. And the LFP isn't different in this regard compared to the NMC. The 100% full charge per week advise from Tesla is more about the BMS calibration than anything. And what's the difference between the LFP and NMC is not that the LFP can be charged to 100%, the NMC/NCA can very well be charged to 100%. What LFP does is that it can sit long time at 100% without an adverse impact on the battery.
Dude, i NEEDED this video! Lol..first time viewing any of your vids and you are like a good friend that is talking me thru this decision😊 i want the "dual motor", but i think the LR RW is the one we should get😊 just subbed!
Haha that's awesome 👊 Glad you found the video and welcome to the channel! I still fantasize about having more power now and then but at the end of the day we saved a few bucks and I still just love the car. Our quality of life has increased and I bet yours will too! Will this be your first EV?
@TheSAHDLife yes, it will! We test drove a dual motor about 6 months and we're instantly sold..I was surprised at just how solid it felt..the quickness is more than enough, so stepping down to the RW will be plenty fast for us..the only thing I'm bummed on is missing out on the 17 speakers:(
I just did a M3 LR-RWD in California. Don’t need the AWD for weather, range is much better, sound would be nice, but since I do podcasts on my drive, no need for the 2 extra subwoofers.
Interesting. NMC batteries seem to get better range in the sub-zero temperatureseh? Is there any other reason you prefer those batteries as well? From what I can tell LFP supposedly last longer.
@@TheSAHDLife I think they do better than current generation of LFP in winter but it’s simply the extra range that will help . Also don’t like having to charge to 100% for an accurate state of charge . While LFPs have more charge cycle no lithium batteries do well at 100% for extended periods especially in hot climates . People seem to think it’s fine to charge to 100% every day with LFP. Maybe if you lease ….
@@jeanraymond9114 The peak voltage of the LFP is still less than the average nominal voltage of the NMC. So, the LFP at 100% is under less stress than the NMC at 50%. The varying voltage is what degrades batteries the most and LFP varys very little and can cycle at least 3x even charging to 100%. I've owned both and can verify, NMC is a better battery for density and performance, but for everything else, Safety, longevity... LFP is a much better technology. Tesla's thermal management is excellent, so cold weather is fine. I've had no issues. Also, I only charge to 100% about once every 6 or 7 days. Not to be careful, but just because of my driving habits.
@@Techridr not disputing the rwd LFP is best for you . For how I use the car and where I live the NMC long range awd Model 3 is much better for my use case (ie longer range and awd). I can run it 40-70% and I will never have issues with longevity nor safety. Also acceleration is better , as well sound system and seats . In the future I may change my mind depending on how LFP develops vs NMC depending on developments (ive seen promising new LFP battery from CATL).
I would suggest that you purchase a Tesla Wall Connector to charge at home. Typically there are rebates which will pay for the purchase cost and installation.
Good call. The trickle charging has been sufficient for us based on how much we drive so far... I guess we'd have to look into how much it costs etc as I'm sure it would be nice to have. Any other accessories you think are worth it? We got all weather mats which are nice.
@@TheSAHDLife Tesla makes two wall connectors (typically called "wall chargers"). One is called the Universal Wall Connector and it charges just about every kind of EV. The second is just the Tesla Wall Connector which only has the NACS Tesla connector. There is about $100 difference between the two. The cheaper NACS Tesla charger would probably be the best choice because the entire EV industry in North America is moving towards adopting the NACS adapter. Typically, most cities and countries have tax rebates that enable you to purchase and install the Tesla wall connector for very little cost. It will also increase the value of your home. In America, I get a 30% tax credit off of all costs to install the wall connector. I purchased the Tesla Universal Wall Connector, which allows you to charge EVs with a J1772 port, because I may be renting my home. Both the Universal and the NACS Tesla wall connectors are the same; the only difference is the Universal charges non-Tesla EVs. To install it, all you need to do is install a 60 Amp breaker in your electric service panel. You run 6/2 NV-B Romex (you can buy it on Amazon) from the service panel to the location you are going to be charging your car, typically the garage. When you have your wall charger installed, make sure that you put it in a location where it will be easy to reach the charging port, whether you back the car into the garage or drive it forward into the garage. The Tesla Wall Connector comes with 24 feet of cable, which is enough for most garages. Typically, you will install your wall connector on the garage wall that is nearest to your electric service panel. You can install the Tesla Wall Connector outside your garage if necessary, but I would advise installing it inside if possible. It is weatherproof. Installing it inside your garage will probably extend its life and will facilitate quicker charging because you live in a cold-weather location.
I'm definitely going for the LR RWD. I've driven a Model 3 AWD LR 2019 for 4 years. Spent 99% of the time in Chill mode. Never needed the extra power. Bit bummed you can't spec the AWD sound system on the LR RWD. That aside, the LR RWD is amazing in terms of range.
Nice! How has your experience been with the Tesla after 4 years? Any negative experiences? I know, it sure would be nice to be able to add those speakers in without it costing an arm and a leg. Have you ever been in a situation (rain/snow) where you were glad you had the AWD or not really?
When I ordered my LR RWD in early August, it was the best of both worlds - cheapest AND longest range. Don’t care about speakers and was already doing the white interior, so no biggie. Edit: Though, as I watched further, it appears you’re Canadian, so the tax incentivizes are different for you. And you apparently didn’t have RWD LR available until recently. So makes sense that they wasn’t even a thought. Before LR RWD was released in July, LR AWD was only $1000 more than the RWD, so I’d still have gone AWD given that option.
Thanks for the comment. So it's been a few months for you now with the car, how are you feeling about it? Still love it? We love ours though as I mentioned in my last video, it's not perfect. I still wish I had the LR AWD though I didn't want to pay for it hehe.... the money we are saving on fuel and the total we spent on the car I'm still extremely happy with.
however, the question is whether you wear more on the tires when you do not have operation on all four tires. especially if you were to compare with a car that has constant four-wheel drive
I think as long as you're doing proper wheel rotation the tires should wear evenly though I bet that's kind of how tricky to do. I plan on doing it myself so if I find anything interesting out I'll let you know.
@@TheSAHDLife no one in the world does that "rotation". of course, except North America. its a local thing to do and makes no sense. Just balance and go. on rwd the rear tires gonna go off faster than front tires , so it's just 2 tires to replace, right? or u can extend their life x2 and replace 4 tires. it's same money. the tires are not gonna be eaten up from the sides or whatever uneven you think (if the car has the right aligment). you just gonna spend the same amount of money on replacement of the tires, BUT saving more time on that rotation ceremony every 3k miles. so on RWD if you rotate your tires and all 4 lasts 40k miles, then without rotation the front just gonna get too old to drive with still 50% left, the rear are gonna last around 25k. in US it's free to rotate them in Walmart, but it takes 1.5h round trip at 7 am. how much do u make per h ? easy math says that time does not worth it even if you save 10% of your tires by rotating them (which as I said very questionable).
@@TheSAHDLife sure. and of course u always can put new 2 tires on the front and the front on the rear just to keep them fresh on age. and merely just save a lot of time on rotation.
You then apparently cannot transfer power to the battery if it is 100%, for example when you brake by releasing the gas pedal. there will not be as effective
That is a non-issue. As soon as the car drops 2-3% regen works normally. I regularly charge my Model 3 to 100% and have never had the regen function not work.
Great vid. I’m deciding between these 2 models right now and you touch on all the points in my mind. Basically gonna come down to whether I want that extra zip for more money.. but the battery difference is interesting
Well they've gotten rid of the LFP battery so now you don't have to worry about having that as an option. The rear wheel drive and all wheel drive now use the same battery and the rear wheel gets better range and is faster than the LFP version that I got. I slightly regret not getting the zippier all-wheel drive so if you can afford it I would probably nudge you there hehehe. Sorry if that makes things worse!
So now, in Canada, the difference between the RWD and AWD, with incentive, is only $5000, what would you buy in todays market. I too live in Vancouver so looking forward to your response....
I'd get the all-wheel drive without even thinking twice about it! 👊😎 You'll have to let us know if you get one and what you think! The extra power and sound system would be great. I regret not getting it BUT we saved so much... They weren't even in the same league and we were trying to save money. Still love it too!
In my country we even dont have tesla shop , so not any cut off of the price. 9k euro is big difference so i get the RWD and i am very happy. Just like you do i need more power - no i drive mainly city , do i want more hp from the awd - yeah , same with the sound :)
Good question. Because it doesn't qualify for ALL of the rebates. We wanted as much free money as possible, And here in Canada they changed the incentives so that vehicles over $50,000 don't qualify for the extra $4,000. Also since this is our second vehicle we already have a mid-range SUV for the family so we use that to get around. But with the new model y coming out... it'll be pretty tempting muahaha
The LFP batteries are far more durable than the NMC batteries in the AWD. Though Tesla doesn't provide actual charging cycle life, the LFP batteries should maintain 90% or more of their original capacity after 4000 cycles, or 11 years of charging every day, which is more akin to 15 years of charging three times a week. Right now, LFP batteries are the most durable, long lasting batteries made. I have a 2022 RWD Model 3 with over 82,000 miles on it and it has over 95% of its original battery capacity. By comparison, NMC batteries will degrade over 10% in approximately 50,000 miles depending on your charging habits. They still are solid batteries, but nowhere near as durable as LFP batteries. The RWD is also more efficient than the AWD and it will cost you less than the AWD to charge and operate.
See I was pretty stoked about the LFP myself which is why I made the previous video. It's a bummer they weren't able to continue using them. I mean they COULD it would just cost a lot more. Not worth it for the consumers because like you said, NMC batteries are still good. That's awesome your Tesla battery is still in such good condition. Have you had to do anything else during those 82,000 miles to the car?
@@TheSAHDLife Here are answers to your comments and questions in order: 1. Tesla is partnering with CATL (a Chinese battery company) to build a semi-solid-state LFP battery factory in the US. Supposedly, these batteries will provide a 600-mile range, they will perform much better in extreme hot and cold weather, and they will charge to 80% in about 10 minutes. The factory should be finished in 2025. Many theorize these batteries will be installed in the updated Model Y that is coming out. Tesla is licensing CATL's technology and building the product in the USA so that it qualifies for the federal rebate. 2. I changed the cabin air filters. I provided a link to the ones I used in a separate comment for you. I do recommend the ones I purchased. 3. I had to clean the two radiators on the Model 3. There are two radiators under the frunk in the Model 3, and they are very important because they help the heat pump heat and cool the battery pack and the cab. After cleaning the radiators, my efficiency went from around 3.75 - 4.0 miles per kW to 4.5 - 5.0 miles per kW. I am still testing this because I live in Arizona, and it has been over 110 degrees F for most of the summer. When the temperature drops below 85 degrees F, I am actually getting 190W/mile if I drive conservatively. This is a staggering 5.27 miles per kW. So cleaning the filters significantly increased my range. In a separate comment, I provided instructions on how to purchase a front grill filter for your Model 3, along with a product recommendation that I installed on my car. I cannot emphasize how important it is to install an exterior front grill air-intake filter on your Model 3. It will save you a TON of work if you install the steel mesh filter on your car as soon as possible. 4. I changed the SSD used to record security alerts and Dash-Cam events on the car. I gave you a product recommendation for the SSD I used in a separate comment. 5. I added windshield washer fluid.
@@TheSAHDLife, I actually sent you two other comments, one on the Tesla Wall Connector and one with links to the accessories I found valuable. Neither is showing in the thread for some reason. I will send you the links again.
Does it still have aceleration boost available as a upgrade I currently have a 2022 model 3 long range with it just wanted to know if I can still upgrade if I got a 2024
The 2024 Model 3 Refresh does NOT have acceleration boost as fast as I can tell but I know previous boosts were added later so who knows. That would be pretty exciting if they were somehow able to bump it up a notch. Not going to lie I'd probably do it huehuehue
Then there are those who might want a lot of bass in the car. even those who have old cars but build their own sound system can spend quite a lot of money on the sound. an amplifier is not always that cheap either
Hello thank you for a very informative video. Here in the UK there are three options im considering RWD, Long Range RWD & All wheel Long range which is the best option?
To be honest with you if money isn't the biggest factor and they're close enough in price I would go for the all-wheel drive myself. A little bit more confident inspiring in rain and bad weather... It would be the most fun to drive performance wise and it comes with the nicer sound system. I often wish we got that model instead. Financially we saved a lot by getting the base model So is the smart choice for our family but... I still wish!
Glad you found the video and thanks for the comment! That's an exciting decision. It took us months to decide but we are very glad we did. Which one are you leading towards?!
Yeah it's great man. We've had ours for 6 weeks now and as you can probably tell from my latest videos, I can't stop talking about it. I had to drive our gas car the other day, and while I used to love it... now I hate it!
Had mine for 2 months paint chip lighting strip rattled console scratched head rest squeezes front seat rubs center console panel bowed out...The sales staff fk up and I Lost the first hold...I had to take this one or lose 250. In shop now shady shit by Tesla.
Oof that sucks! Do you have the 2024 or? It's those little things that I'm worried about... It'll be interesting to see what happens with ours once we get some miles on it.
Good call! Also I know the figures are different on the American and the Canadian sites... I know my model 3 for example has an l in my VIN number indicating it was built in China where I think most of the ones in the US are built in California? So they might also have different speeds.
Yeah the y seems really great. Unfortunately they changed their incentives over here so that we weren't able to qualify for the maximum rebate. For us and because this was the second car saving money was our priority.. It's great for getting around for all four of us though.
I live in a small town on an island so while we do have a supercharging network over here we don't really plan on using it since we'll do our charging 99% at home. But I hear amazing things about it!
It is virtually the same because the RWD Model 3 has a smaller 60 kW battery pack as opposed to the 83 kW battery pack on the AWD. I own a 2022 RWD Model 3 that I recently took on a 900 mile road trip. We typically were charging at stops around 15 minutes to get to 80%. At one stop I charged the car to 93% and it took a little over 20 minutes. Charge time from 0-80% is approximately 22-25 minutes. 0-100% is approximately 30 minutes. Because you're never charging from 0%, charge times on trips are incredibly quick. The max charging speed for the RWD is 170kW per hour. For the AWD it is 250kW per hour. But the charging times are pretty much the same because of the smaller battery in the RWD.
This video was uploaded on Oct 2, but as of Oct 1, the Standard RWD is no longer available. Gone. Done. Erased. No more. Well.... at least here in the States.
Haha I know right?! Ugh. At least some of the decisions still apply when it comes to rear wheel drive versus all-wheel drive. But yeah as far as other features I guess those are all included in the rear wheel drive long rang (sounds system)? Edit: Yeah here in Canada that LFP battery is still in the base model and I imagine in a lot of other countries too.
@@TheSAHDLife Indeed. I think the tipping point for Tesla removing it here was that the CATL (Chinese) battery is subject to a higher tariff than before. I think it went from 7.5% to 25%, so that and the fact that it doesn't quality for the $7500 federal tax credit means, in many cases, the Long Range RWD costs less than this LFP. I have a 2023 LFP RWD and although I'd love the 24 refresh, I love it. There are still a few RWD-LFPs in Inventory and I'm really considering the swap. But, I'm not opposed to the Long Range RWD because of the few upgrades and a bit quicker. Decisions, decisions! 🤔
@@Techridr That IS a tough call. I guess the real question is how much of a hit would it be to get to the refreshed model? I do think it will hold it's value a lot better over the next few years which is part of why we went with it. Plus those upgrade wouuuulld be nice 😆👊
@@TheSAHDLife I have a feeling, the lack of LFP versions on the market here might be good for resale. LFP is the obvious choice for ride share drivers. I also thought to hold off till the refreshed Y shows up to see if I want to go that route. We're close enough that I might do that
A lot of good advises but one thing you need to know : the AWD is behaving as a RWD 95% of the time. That's why the range difference between the RWD and AWD isn't as much as you see for other EV that offer both.
Yeah good call! I guess the extra power off the line would be really noticeable compared to the single motor one. But that's great they're able to get out so much range with all-wheel drive that way.
I just saw! Well, the LFP battery is gone. They got them from China and now there's a huge tax on them so they are out. You can STILL get the RWD but it uses the more expensive NMC batteries. You will get more range though which is nice but it is different battery tech. Crazy.
Swedes probably think that Tesla Tesla is an expensive car anyway, so it's just as well to buy a really good Tesla. the vast majority of buyers probably belong to the middle class who live in villas
I think it's going to be a little bit different every country as far as rebates and electric prices etc... here in Canada we have very reasonable electricity rates so the car actually is a lot cheaper in the long run than one might think.
Hehe they do all seem pretty awesome. I'm not going to lie though, I do wish we bought the AWD at times. It was just SO much more expensive we couldn't justify it. But like you are saying, since driving the Tesla we don't even want our other car anymore. So if we had bought the other one, perhaps we could have gotten rid of our gas AWD vehicle.
Yeah nice. It'd be sweet to have that extra bit of ride height. We would have loved to have waited and seen how much the new model y cost but I wonder when they're going to actually be released?
@@TheSAHDLife Bro, first quarter next year. But if your not considering the Juniper, there is no reason to get it's cheaper variant the 2025 Model Y. Unless you want better range, bigger battery, aestheics, etc. They been dropping the prices on the 2024 Model Y since the beginning of this october. I can assume bigger discounts after the Robotaxi event in 3 days. But honestly, I think the Model 3 is wayy funner to drive 😁
Dude, you lost me here 5:00 because at this point, your comparison makes no sense. Are you aware that not everyone have 2 cars home, one with 4x4 as a spare? Obvious that this weith someone's decision. Sell your 4x4 and see if you feel the same with only one car. Also, where did you get those numbers, since new Tesla 3 have 700km autonomy for long range version?
I hear you. At that moment I said I probably would have got the awd IF we didn't have the 2nd vehicle. I still feel that way. But yeah it's a completely different decision when you have a 2nd vehicle, especially if that's the main family vehicle. In a perfect world I think we'd have a (new when it comes out) Model Y and a mid-size truck. But we are where we are!
The rear wheel drive available here in Canada has always been different than the one in the states. I'm not sure if it's because we get ours from China and you get the ones built in the US or if there's other reasons... But yes pretty much days after I made that video Tesla dropped the LFP batteries and replaced them with the NMC ones which do give it a performance boost which is nice. It cost more but at least you get the extra range and the performance.
Ugh, I know. See that's the WORST part about buying a Tesla is people think you like/support Elongated Muskrat. Edit: my comments was a joke. I don't know enough about Elon to have an opinion about what kind of person he is. He's very impressive that's for sure. We bought the Model 3 because it's a great car not because of his politics or whether or not he's a good person. I thought the name was funny and I'm sure he can handle a joke.
@@TheSAHDLifeonly Americans are dumb enough to think that. Rest of the world just buys it because it's a good car. Like...who tf cares who makes an object as long as it's what you want and/or need..
Update: Wow, the LFP battery is no longer offered... Crazy! I think points in the video still stand but in Canada anyway the new base model doesn't qualify for as many rebates which is a bummer.
Why does it still stand? I completely agreed with your point when it was $14k difference (BC rebate + 10k) however with the LR RWD vs LR AWD, the price difference is just $5k. Then it is definitely worth considering AWD versions more now.
@@bmw1001h Definitely. The rwd is still the range champ but for a few extra bucks you get some SERIOUS upgrades.
The sound system is the big miss. I’ve always had subwoofers in my past cars and really miss it having a M3 RWD the old one before the longer range. That’s the one thing I really do miss is the better sound system. Oh just to clarify the sound system does sound amazing and you won’t be disappointed, but if you use two subwoofers and a little more punch, then the All-wheel-drive will have that.
I just bought the Model 3 long range single motor rear wheel drive that gets over 350 miles to the charge and I love it! I couldn't imagine having the high-performance dual motor, the single is plenty fast for me.
Nice! That range is wild. I know it is a nice speed... I often dream about getting the dual motor one but like you said how often would you ever use it? Hehe. What color did you get?
@@TheSAHDLife Stealth Grey, Black and White Interior
@surfsunvabeach sick! I got to ask people. I see a lot of people really like white interior....b Are you afraid of dirt?!! White seats would terrify me
@@TheSAHDLife My nieces picked the model and colors for the interior and exterior of car. The primary use is for me is to drive them to and from school. As for the white interior, I've only had the vehicle for a few weeks and no issues yet 🤞. Fortunately I have several other vehicles to choose from if I/we have any other errands planned and luckily they are mindful that they picked white. I'll say it again the car looks and drives awesome! !!!
When I made the decision for the base model 3 2 months ago the price difference between the base model three and the extended range model 3 was Just Way too much money. The base model three has certainly enough acceleration to suit anybody. The difference in range with the base model 3 LFP charging to 100% versus the extended range charging to 85% equates to both cars getting about the same range with probably a 10 mile variant, which is insignificant when you're charging on a trip. I leased my model three for 3 years 10,000 miles a year and my lease payment is $153.00 a month. Very, very happy with what I have..
Wow, great price! Yeah it sounds like we had the same thought process when choosing. I still think about the AWD and the better sound system, but it would have made our payments SO much more... there are just better things we can use that money for. I'm really happy with the car though. Love it! 👊
What was your down payment?
@@breezy8333 I used a little less than half the value of my $24,100 paid for trade. Now that TESLA allowS buyouts on a lease. I'm going to be in very good shape at the end of this three year lease unless they're gonna make something way way better than the 24 Highland that I have now. I know I put too much down. Caught up in the moment when I saw that payment. Looking back I don't regret it though. But it was a little.foolish.
That’s why the long range rear wheel drive is the sweet spot of the 2 but only available in the states…
It's crazy when I was looking at the website while making this video I saw some odd price points on the US site compared to the Canadian site. I didn't realize they removed the LFP battery's and switched back to the LR RWD models. I don't think they are as cheap to make those batteries so the price might be a little higher but like you said, at least you get that extra range now.
The long range RWD is available in Europa.
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We got the long range RWD here in Europe.
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I have the 2023 model 3 RWD and it’s been great so far. I’m not a roadtrip person so the range is more than enough for me! I trickle charge for now but it does the job! I didn’t see the need to spend an extra $10k. I instead used it for things like full frontal PPF, tint, ambient lighting, puddle lights, mud flaps and other accessories!
That's awesome. PPF is tempting I can't decide if I should do it or not. No regrets on that? The accessories are kind of addicting I'm not going to lie. I sure love driving it. It kind of feels like we're late into the electric world but I have a feeling in the grand scheme we're pretty early adopters... We have another gas vehicle and I kind of don't even like driving it anymore. Loving the Tesla life 👊
@@TheSAHDLife I think if you can afford PPF go for it as Tesla paint is notoriously soft. I do a lot of highway driving and there’s lots of construction going on in my area so I’m glad I got it! But just the full frontal PPF. I don’t think you need to do it on the whole car. I honestly don’t see myself driving another car but Tesla. It’s only been a year but this is the first car that I’ve ever loved!
@leonaeffah4000 Yeah good call on the full frontal ppf lol. Makes sense. And yeah I'm kind of there with you right now... It's hard being team Tesla since Elon is such a big preference and makes people judge the cars like they are an extension of him for better ow rose... But their vehicles are just so good. I don't want to drive anything else either.
How has it been in the rain for you? Does it handle well? Let me know!!
@@markanthony5719 It's been just fine in the rain. If you step on it the wheels will spin but the traction control kicks in right away. I haven't had any issues driving on twisty turnies in brutal rain. We'll see what happens when the temperature drops though.
In Ontario here. Bought my wife a MYLR as her new commuter and it's awesome. So great that now I want a model 3 for my vehicle. Used 2023's can be found for $42-45k with very low mileage. The ability to leave your house every day with full charge is a huge benefit!
Nice! Even with our standard range we have experienced ZERO range anxiety. We are able to charge it at home, and with our usage, the trickle charge from a standard 120v is enough. It's great. I think we're at 1500 kms and it's cost us about $22 in electricity so far? Loving that. Tough call on the last years model though... the new refresh just has some really nice features with the quieter interior and newer hardware. If you can somehow wait or get into the newer model I'd say do that, but if you can get last years on the lower end I'm sure it'd still be sweet to have.
Thats actually expensive for a used 3 when a new, much improved version isn't much more after rebates are applied
One additional thing you are missing: the warranty of the long range vs. The one of the standard range. There is a difference there in favor of the dual motor long range.
Yeah that's interesting. On Canada they have the same duration of warranty but the long range has an extra 30,000 km on there! Good catch
I want to thank you for clarifying some doubts for me. I agree with you on all points discussed. The long range is undoubtedly the better of the two but objectively perhaps it doesn't make sense for everyone (also for me).
Really glad you found the video. We've had our Standard Range RWD for a couple months now, and while I fantasize about the AWD, we friggin' LOVE this car. It's amazing. It really is a smart choice. Are you going to get it?!
@ For sure! 😊 I actually waiting for date of return of my ID.3 (leasing) and i don’t have doubt. Next car will be a Model 3!
in Sweden the long range version is probably the most popular. But Sweden is a winter country. and the snow shoveling does not always work so satisfactorily. it can therefore be deep snow even outside the apartment and in the parking lot probably 30 cm in any case
Yeah that's nuts! I don't have any experience with cold weather yet on mine so I can't say... From what I read the NMC batteries are a little better in cold weather. Still seems a little sketchy having a EV in the winter but we'll see!
the volts in lfp batteries are said to be able to drop sharply. when the battery strength starts to approach 0
I don't plan on ever doing that myself so I won't be able to say whether that's true or not but that's interesting.
You should never run any EV battery to 0%. You risk bricking the car. Teslas are very durable and usually survive, but it's a really stupid thing to do. Once you get below 30%, you should charge the car. However, if you occasionally run it down to 10%, you probably won't have any problems.
Model 3 long range rwd is the optimal. Almost 600km EPA range is great. Don't need AWD. Has other options if it gets snowy. Or better yet, stay out of the roads. Combined rebate of $14k savings is fantastic. Put it in high yield stocks and watch it grow as vehicles value depreciate. Or use that to buy a used Miata.
Right? That range is fantastic... even with the range on our standard we have zero range anxiety and only charge it maybe every other week (depending on how much we've been driving). Funny you say that about the Miata though... always keeping my eyes peeled on a good used one. Or maybe a m4 coupe?
I feel ya! I got the long range but keep dreaming about the performance version. Here in Quebec, it doesn't qualify for the 12k (fed + prov) incentive, which would've made it 22k more than the long range--I could not justify it! You've made the right choice as there's no limit to human desire. :)
Great video, keep it up!
Appreciate the positive vibes, thanks 👊 And I know... I tried to talk my wife into the performance one 😆 Maybe for the next one. It's basically my dream car. I mean honestly, I'm jealous of the one you got. I think that added performance would really be fun but hey, I'm still super happy, especially at the price point.
Random question... I imagine you are happy too with your vehicle (what year did you get?), but I'm creating a list of things I don't like about it... I'd love to know if you have any and what they are?
@@TheSAHDLife Actually, I should thank you. Your video made me feel better about my purchase, but not for the reason you might think. You see...just as you are envious of those who got the LR, I am envious for those who got the performance, and rest assured that the performance guy is envious of the Porsche guy...so on and so forth. :) Naturally, but irrationally, we always desire more. To honest, all 3 versions of the car are exceptional, so congrats and enjoy it! This time next year, you won't even care anymore about which version you have and perhaps even be happier that you saved your money for something more important.
Indeed, my family and I are very happy with the car. We went with the LR because it is our only car and AWD is almost a requirement for Quebec winters.
Things I don't like, not much at this point but keep in mind I'm still in the "honeynoon" phase. :D I also don't mind the exclusion of stalks, might even prefer it. I think people tend to exaggerate in this regard. Nonetheless, here is a short list:
- Brake pedal cover is rubber and looks cheap and the accelerator has nothing--bare metal! I purchased nice stainless steel set. Easy fix!
- Have to buy things that should've been included in the car like console organizers, mobile charger, charger adapter mount, etc.
- All weather OEM floor mats are very expensive, around 800 + taxes for a full set. Aftermarket is cheaper but not by much for good quality ones
- Tesla's quality control terrible track record. Though the highland has excellent quality control, I am always on the lookout for imperfections that I might have missed. I found one so far, front doors were misaligned but Tesla customer service quickly took care of it.
- Back door has no proper stepping area in the frame, so my child always steps on the insulation rubber to come out.
- No electric frunk.
- No sensors on bumpers. I am not convinced that the cameras only approach is superior.
@@cdude996 Great comment, thanks for taking the time. And yeah, good call about the upgrade-itis. Human nature I suppose. One day!
It's very interesting to compare, I don't necessarily want to say dislikes but, things about the car we question on why they were made that way...maybe we're still getting used to. I'll get that video up in the near future. There will be Tesla videos for awhile :) So at least you and I will be entertained 😆
I just bought all the car washing stuff (ONR and everythign that goes with it... wax etc) and did my first wash just now. It looks fantastic.
Enjoy your car too 👊
It's a hard buy in Germany. First i got a smaller car than the Tesla Model 3 but it's really frugal with gas and has a good size for driving inside our cities and getting parking.
We get the SR+ RWD, the LR RWD and the LR AWD.
I would love to get the LR RWD with more range and better sound system since i don't get any engine sound i would at least have a good sound system.
However...a SR+ RWD would make the most economical sense since as you said, it's the best bang for your buck. The SR+ would cover 90% of my commutes, i can charge at home ( rooftop solar ) and in case i have to drive further which is generally 200km one way it still would be enough.
BUT, the SR+ RWD here costs shy of 47k € because we don't get any rebates or whatever to reduce the price and a LR RWD costs shy of 52k €
Extra options would be the the red paint and EAP. Interestingly enough our base color is "white" and not "stealth grey" like in North America...
Are you SURE the LR RWD comes with the premium audio? It does not here in North America so I would just triple check that before you make that decision if it's important to you.
And yeah tough call. If I didn't have to share the decision with my accountant wife I would have gone for the full YOLO LR AWD because to be honest, this is basically my dream car. I love the SR but it just doesn't have that sound and oomph that really brings a smile to your face. It still does, and I think the LR RWD is even faster but... if you're spending that much money and know you'll keep the car 5+ years, I mean it's hard not to just get everything you want instead of settling.
Sorry if that doesn't help 🤣
@@TheSAHDLife You might be right. I read conflicting information about it but it seems only the performance comes with the premium sound system. Good thing you questioned it.
There is always the choice of going aftermarket sound system with woofers with less cost than buying stuff you don't need just to get the premium sound system. That 10k price delta just isn't worth it.
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Its not speed. Its acceleration. Its not for having fun. Its good to be able to overtake faster, or get fast out of dangerous situation. But yes. the acceleration of the SR is still better than 80% of other cars on the street and helps a lot. With LR, of course you will not use the full range every day. So you keep the battery around 60% and it will live longer than you. But you have extra range when you need it. To go visit family on the other side of your country... I was also thinking which one to buy. Its different for everybody. But for me, the winner is LR.
Oh come on... it's a LITTLE bit for having fun :) And it is fun! But you are right. It's so nice to have that passing power. I just love it. I think that LR version is great, I wish I had it. Are you thinking of getting one soon? Exciting.
Great video. I didn't know about the LFP battery. I would rather get 100% charge and not worry about the battery degredation. You matched exactly my use case.
Awesome! Glad you found the video 👊 I didn't realize either that in the States they literally just removed the LFP batteries because of tarriffs or something (they get them from China) so now you can ONLY get the long-range rwd with the NMC batteries. Here in Canada though we still have them. So are you getting a Tesla or have you got it already?!
Yes, but the LFP variant of the M3 is no longer available.
Problem is the degradation will happen even in the LFP. It's a fantaisie to think an Ion-Lithium battery doesn't degrade.
@voldar70 it definitely does degrade but it gets double if not triple the amount of charge cycles compared to an NMC battery from what I've seen. It really only affects people that aim to keep the vehicle for a long time.
@@TheSAHDLifeCycles are not the part that cause the most degradation on an EV battery. Calendar aging is where you should concentrate, if you would like to minimize degradation. And the LFP isn't different in this regard compared to the NMC.
The 100% full charge per week advise from Tesla is more about the BMS calibration than anything.
And what's the difference between the LFP and NMC is not that the LFP can be charged to 100%, the NMC/NCA can very well be charged to 100%. What LFP does is that it can sit long time at 100% without an adverse impact on the battery.
Dude, i NEEDED this video! Lol..first time viewing any of your vids and you are like a good friend that is talking me thru this decision😊 i want the "dual motor", but i think the LR RW is the one we should get😊 just subbed!
Haha that's awesome 👊 Glad you found the video and welcome to the channel! I still fantasize about having more power now and then but at the end of the day we saved a few bucks and I still just love the car. Our quality of life has increased and I bet yours will too! Will this be your first EV?
@TheSAHDLife yes, it will! We test drove a dual motor about 6 months and we're instantly sold..I was surprised at just how solid it felt..the quickness is more than enough, so stepping down to the RW will be plenty fast for us..the only thing I'm bummed on is missing out on the 17 speakers:(
For a four-wheel drive version, you can apparently also buy a boost package. so that it is almost like the Tesla 3 Performance, but no track mode
Only All Wheel drive. Almost no cars are available with four-wheel drive. That option is typically reserved for some trucks.
My cousin has the optional performance package on the model y. For the newer model 3 refresh maybe that will be something that will come eventually?
I just did a M3 LR-RWD in California. Don’t need the AWD for weather, range is much better, sound would be nice, but since I do podcasts on my drive, no need for the 2 extra subwoofers.
Yeah that sounds like an awesome setup optimized for range. Do charge at home? Do you just trickle charge or did you get a level 2 charger?
@@TheSAHDLife I still live in apartment, but free charging at work! I believe it’s level 2 charge points
Personally I’m not a fan of current LFP batteries . I’ll take the long range model . Better choice for winter areas .
Interesting. NMC batteries seem to get better range in the sub-zero temperatureseh? Is there any other reason you prefer those batteries as well? From what I can tell LFP supposedly last longer.
@@TheSAHDLife I think they do better than current generation of LFP in winter but it’s simply the extra range that will help . Also don’t like having to charge to 100% for an accurate state of charge . While LFPs have more charge cycle no lithium batteries do well at 100% for extended periods especially in hot climates . People seem to think it’s fine to charge to 100% every day with LFP. Maybe if you lease ….
Oh and long range has AWD which is better in winter .
@@jeanraymond9114 The peak voltage of the LFP is still less than the average nominal voltage of the NMC. So, the LFP at 100% is under less stress than the NMC at 50%. The varying voltage is what degrades batteries the most and LFP varys very little and can cycle at least 3x even charging to 100%. I've owned both and can verify, NMC is a better battery for density and performance, but for everything else, Safety, longevity... LFP is a much better technology. Tesla's thermal management is excellent, so cold weather is fine. I've had no issues. Also, I only charge to 100% about once every 6 or 7 days. Not to be careful, but just because of my driving habits.
@@Techridr not disputing the rwd LFP is best for you . For how I use the car and where I live the NMC long range awd Model 3 is much better for my use case (ie longer range and awd). I can run it 40-70% and I will never have issues with longevity nor safety. Also acceleration is better , as well sound system and seats . In the future I may change my mind depending on how LFP develops vs NMC depending on developments (ive seen promising new LFP battery from CATL).
I would suggest that you purchase a Tesla Wall Connector to charge at home. Typically there are rebates which will pay for the purchase cost and installation.
Good call. The trickle charging has been sufficient for us based on how much we drive so far... I guess we'd have to look into how much it costs etc as I'm sure it would be nice to have. Any other accessories you think are worth it? We got all weather mats which are nice.
@@TheSAHDLife Tesla makes two wall connectors (typically called "wall chargers"). One is called the Universal Wall Connector and it charges just about every kind of EV. The second is just the Tesla Wall Connector which only has the NACS Tesla connector. There is about $100 difference between the two. The cheaper NACS Tesla charger would probably be the best choice because the entire EV industry in North America is moving towards adopting the NACS adapter.
Typically, most cities and countries have tax rebates that enable you to purchase and install the Tesla wall connector for very little cost. It will also increase the value of your home. In America, I get a 30% tax credit off of all costs to install the wall connector.
I purchased the Tesla Universal Wall Connector, which allows you to charge EVs with a J1772 port, because I may be renting my home. Both the Universal and the NACS Tesla wall connectors are the same; the only difference is the Universal charges non-Tesla EVs.
To install it, all you need to do is install a 60 Amp breaker in your electric service panel. You run 6/2 NV-B Romex (you can buy it on Amazon) from the service panel to the location you are going to be charging your car, typically the garage.
When you have your wall charger installed, make sure that you put it in a location where it will be easy to reach the charging port, whether you back the car into the garage or drive it forward into the garage. The Tesla Wall Connector comes with 24 feet of cable, which is enough for most garages. Typically, you will install your wall connector on the garage wall that is nearest to your electric service panel.
You can install the Tesla Wall Connector outside your garage if necessary, but I would advise installing it inside if possible. It is weatherproof. Installing it inside your garage will probably extend its life and will facilitate quicker charging because you live in a cold-weather location.
I'm definitely going for the LR RWD. I've driven a Model 3 AWD LR 2019 for 4 years. Spent 99% of the time in Chill mode. Never needed the extra power. Bit bummed you can't spec the AWD sound system on the LR RWD. That aside, the LR RWD is amazing in terms of range.
Nice! How has your experience been with the Tesla after 4 years? Any negative experiences?
I know, it sure would be nice to be able to add those speakers in without it costing an arm and a leg. Have you ever been in a situation (rain/snow) where you were glad you had the AWD or not really?
In México, the RWD only includes textile seats, so if you want vegan leather seats you need to buy the AWD or performance versions
That is interesting! I wonder what other little differences there are. So weird how the base model is different in every country.
When I ordered my LR RWD in early August, it was the best of both worlds - cheapest AND longest range. Don’t care about speakers and was already doing the white interior, so no biggie.
Edit: Though, as I watched further, it appears you’re Canadian, so the tax incentivizes are different for you. And you apparently didn’t have RWD LR available until recently. So makes sense that they wasn’t even a thought. Before LR RWD was released in July, LR AWD was only $1000 more than the RWD, so I’d still have gone AWD given that option.
Thanks for the comment. So it's been a few months for you now with the car, how are you feeling about it? Still love it? We love ours though as I mentioned in my last video, it's not perfect. I still wish I had the LR AWD though I didn't want to pay for it hehe.... the money we are saving on fuel and the total we spent on the car I'm still extremely happy with.
however, the question is whether you wear more on the tires when you do not have operation on all four tires. especially if you were to compare with a car that has constant four-wheel drive
I think as long as you're doing proper wheel rotation the tires should wear evenly though I bet that's kind of how tricky to do. I plan on doing it myself so if I find anything interesting out I'll let you know.
@@TheSAHDLife no one in the world does that "rotation". of course, except North America. its a local thing to do and makes no sense. Just balance and go. on rwd the rear tires gonna go off faster than front tires , so it's just 2 tires to replace, right? or u can extend their life x2 and replace 4 tires.
it's same money. the tires are not gonna be eaten up from the sides or whatever uneven you think (if the car has the right aligment). you just gonna spend the same amount of money on replacement of the tires, BUT saving more time on that rotation ceremony every 3k miles.
so on RWD if you rotate your tires and all 4 lasts 40k miles, then without rotation the front just gonna get too old to drive with still 50% left, the rear are gonna last around 25k.
in US it's free to rotate them in Walmart, but it takes 1.5h round trip at 7 am. how much do u make per h ? easy math says that time does not worth it even if you save 10% of your tires by rotating them (which as I said very questionable).
Yeah you know I really like this take! Good call 👊😆 makes sense to me!
@@TheSAHDLife sure. and of course u always can put new 2 tires on the front and the front on the rear just to keep them fresh on age. and merely just save a lot of time on rotation.
Performance all day, it looks sooooo much better.
It sure does. I wish I was at a stage of my life I could get it because it's my dream car!!
A little better, but the difference is so small that I wouldn't call it much better, but many will probably not notice the difference
You then apparently cannot transfer power to the battery if it is 100%, for example when you brake by releasing the gas pedal. there will not be as effective
The car has an option to apply actual break instead of regenerative braking when it's at 100% I believe so it will feel the same.
That is a non-issue. As soon as the car drops 2-3% regen works normally. I regularly charge my Model 3 to 100% and have never had the regen function not work.
Great vid. I’m deciding between these 2 models right now and you touch on all the points in my mind. Basically gonna come down to whether I want that extra zip for more money.. but the battery difference is interesting
Well they've gotten rid of the LFP battery so now you don't have to worry about having that as an option. The rear wheel drive and all wheel drive now use the same battery and the rear wheel gets better range and is faster than the LFP version that I got. I slightly regret not getting the zippier all-wheel drive so if you can afford it I would probably nudge you there hehehe. Sorry if that makes things worse!
So now, in Canada, the difference between the RWD and AWD, with incentive, is only $5000, what would you buy in todays market. I too live in Vancouver so looking forward to your response....
I'd get the all-wheel drive without even thinking twice about it! 👊😎
You'll have to let us know if you get one and what you think! The extra power and sound system would be great. I regret not getting it BUT we saved so much... They weren't even in the same league and we were trying to save money. Still love it too!
The refferal code its not working anymore
Wow really? Thanks for letting me know I'll update it.
Here doesn't in case you want to try it out: ts.la/evan683746
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In my country we even dont have tesla shop , so not any cut off of the price. 9k euro is big difference so i get the RWD and i am very happy. Just like you do i need more power - no i drive mainly city , do i want more hp from the awd - yeah , same with the sound :)
Glad I'm not the only one 👊😆
Did you get the 2024 or do you have a previous version?
@@TheSAHDLife 2024 highland :)
@@AlexNN3 We're in the same boat. I still love it. I want to go drive it right NOW! lol
Quick question. Why did you not go with the model Y ?
Good question. Because it doesn't qualify for ALL of the rebates. We wanted as much free money as possible, And here in Canada they changed the incentives so that vehicles over $50,000 don't qualify for the extra $4,000. Also since this is our second vehicle we already have a mid-range SUV for the family so we use that to get around. But with the new model y coming out... it'll be pretty tempting muahaha
Thanks for the referral code sir!!!
Of course! Are you going to get one?! Which one? What color?!
I want the AWD because I live in New Hampshire and I have to drive half way up a mountain to get home.
To be honest, we live in a very hilly/rainy area and, the back end feels like it's a moment away from breaking loose. I think it'd be worth it.
RWD just discontinued in Canada
Holy crap!!!
NO, only SR discontiued, replaced with LR RWD
The LFP batteries are far more durable than the NMC batteries in the AWD. Though Tesla doesn't provide actual charging cycle life, the LFP batteries should maintain 90% or more of their original capacity after 4000 cycles, or 11 years of charging every day, which is more akin to 15 years of charging three times a week. Right now, LFP batteries are the most durable, long lasting batteries made. I have a 2022 RWD Model 3 with over 82,000 miles on it and it has over 95% of its original battery capacity.
By comparison, NMC batteries will degrade over 10% in approximately 50,000 miles depending on your charging habits. They still are solid batteries, but nowhere near as durable as LFP batteries.
The RWD is also more efficient than the AWD and it will cost you less than the AWD to charge and operate.
See I was pretty stoked about the LFP myself which is why I made the previous video. It's a bummer they weren't able to continue using them. I mean they COULD it would just cost a lot more. Not worth it for the consumers because like you said, NMC batteries are still good. That's awesome your Tesla battery is still in such good condition. Have you had to do anything else during those 82,000 miles to the car?
@@TheSAHDLife Here are answers to your comments and questions in order:
1. Tesla is partnering with CATL (a Chinese battery company) to build a semi-solid-state LFP battery factory in the US. Supposedly, these batteries will provide a 600-mile range, they will perform much better in extreme hot and cold weather, and they will charge to 80% in about 10 minutes. The factory should be finished in 2025. Many theorize these batteries will be installed in the updated Model Y that is coming out. Tesla is licensing CATL's technology and building the product in the USA so that it qualifies for the federal rebate.
2. I changed the cabin air filters. I provided a link to the ones I used in a separate comment for you. I do recommend the ones I purchased.
3. I had to clean the two radiators on the Model 3. There are two radiators under the frunk in the Model 3, and they are very important because they help the heat pump heat and cool the battery pack and the cab. After cleaning the radiators, my efficiency went from around 3.75 - 4.0 miles per kW to 4.5 - 5.0 miles per kW.
I am still testing this because I live in Arizona, and it has been over 110 degrees F for most of the summer. When the temperature drops below 85 degrees F, I am actually getting 190W/mile if I drive conservatively. This is a staggering 5.27 miles per kW. So cleaning the filters significantly increased my range.
In a separate comment, I provided instructions on how to purchase a front grill filter for your Model 3, along with a product recommendation that I installed on my car. I cannot emphasize how important it is to install an exterior front grill air-intake filter on your Model 3. It will save you a TON of work if you install the steel mesh filter on your car as soon as possible.
4. I changed the SSD used to record security alerts and Dash-Cam events on the car. I gave you a product recommendation for the SSD I used in a separate comment.
5. I added windshield washer fluid.
@@franklong6269 Sweet. Thanks for your comment. Hmmm I haven't seen your message where you link those comments. I'll respond to it if/when I see it.
@@TheSAHDLife, I actually sent you two other comments, one on the Tesla Wall Connector and one with links to the accessories I found valuable. Neither is showing in the thread for some reason. I will send you the links again.
Does it still have aceleration boost available as a upgrade I currently have a 2022 model 3 long range with it just wanted to know if I can still upgrade if I got a 2024
The 2024 Model 3 Refresh does NOT have acceleration boost as fast as I can tell but I know previous boosts were added later so who knows. That would be pretty exciting if they were somehow able to bump it up a notch. Not going to lie I'd probably do it huehuehue
Then there are those who might want a lot of bass in the car. even those who have old cars but build their own sound system can spend quite a lot of money on the sound. an amplifier is not always that cheap either
The standard version definitely does not have deep bass. Definitely Worth upgrading to the next model if you care about high quality loud sound.
Hello thank you for a very informative video. Here in the UK there are three options im considering RWD, Long Range RWD & All wheel Long range which is the best option?
To be honest with you if money isn't the biggest factor and they're close enough in price I would go for the all-wheel drive myself. A little bit more confident inspiring in rain and bad weather... It would be the most fun to drive performance wise and it comes with the nicer sound system. I often wish we got that model instead. Financially we saved a lot by getting the base model So is the smart choice for our family but... I still wish!
How did you get the $9000 savings from the government instead of $5000 ( I live in Ontario)
Each province has extra incentives. Sadly I think Ontario has the worst ones in Canada :( Quebec for example I think it's up to $13,000 😫
@@TheSAHDLife I just ordered mine :). Received $5000. I was torn on AWD
@@omaribrahim8048 Ohhh exciting! Did you use a referral code to save that extra bit? And which one did you get!?
I too am emotional fellow 😊. Appreciate this thoughtful, entertaining video as I contemplate my first Tesla. Cheers
Glad you found the video and thanks for the comment! That's an exciting decision. It took us months to decide but we are very glad we did. Which one are you leading towards?!
@@TheSAHDLife LFP model 3 if I can track one down in inventory, since the fed tax credit is N.A. for me. Thanks again for the helpful video👍
I want the RWD Telsa model 3
Yeah it's great man. We've had ours for 6 weeks now and as you can probably tell from my latest videos, I can't stop talking about it.
I had to drive our gas car the other day, and while I used to love it... now I hate it!
Had mine for 2 months paint chip lighting strip rattled console scratched head rest squeezes front seat rubs center console panel bowed out...The sales staff fk up and I Lost the first hold...I had to take this one or lose 250. In shop now shady shit by Tesla.
Oof that sucks! Do you have the 2024 or? It's those little things that I'm worried about... It'll be interesting to see what happens with ours once we get some miles on it.
@@TheSAHDLife 24 AWD LR..Good luck you'll need it.
0-100km/hr - 4.4s. 0-60mph - 4.2s. You showed the km figures but stated mph .
Good call! Also I know the figures are different on the American and the Canadian sites... I know my model 3 for example has an l in my VIN number indicating it was built in China where I think most of the ones in the US are built in California? So they might also have different speeds.
What state do you live in?
Neighbor to the north! I'm in British Columbia.
Then there are people who think the Tesla 3 is not a family car at all. but who instead might buy a used Tesla S or maybe a new Tesla Y
Yeah the y seems really great. Unfortunately they changed their incentives over here so that we weren't able to qualify for the maximum rebate. For us and because this was the second car saving money was our priority.. It's great for getting around for all four of us though.
Another difference is probably also the charging speed of the Tesla Supercharger
I live in a small town on an island so while we do have a supercharging network over here we don't really plan on using it since we'll do our charging 99% at home. But I hear amazing things about it!
It is virtually the same because the RWD Model 3 has a smaller 60 kW battery pack as opposed to the 83 kW battery pack on the AWD. I own a 2022 RWD Model 3 that I recently took on a 900 mile road trip. We typically were charging at stops around 15 minutes to get to 80%. At one stop I charged the car to 93% and it took a little over 20 minutes. Charge time from 0-80% is approximately 22-25 minutes. 0-100% is approximately 30 minutes.
Because you're never charging from 0%, charge times on trips are incredibly quick.
The max charging speed for the RWD is 170kW per hour. For the AWD it is 250kW per hour. But the charging times are pretty much the same because of the smaller battery in the RWD.
This video was uploaded on Oct 2, but as of Oct 1, the Standard RWD is no longer available. Gone. Done. Erased. No more. Well.... at least here in the States.
Haha I know right?! Ugh. At least some of the decisions still apply when it comes to rear wheel drive versus all-wheel drive. But yeah as far as other features I guess those are all included in the rear wheel drive long rang (sounds system)?
Edit: Yeah here in Canada that LFP battery is still in the base model and I imagine in a lot of other countries too.
@@TheSAHDLife Indeed. I think the tipping point for Tesla removing it here was that the CATL (Chinese) battery is subject to a higher tariff than before. I think it went from 7.5% to 25%, so that and the fact that it doesn't quality for the $7500 federal tax credit means, in many cases, the Long Range RWD costs less than this LFP. I have a 2023 LFP RWD and although I'd love the 24 refresh, I love it. There are still a few RWD-LFPs in Inventory and I'm really considering the swap. But, I'm not opposed to the Long Range RWD because of the few upgrades and a bit quicker. Decisions, decisions! 🤔
@@Techridr That IS a tough call. I guess the real question is how much of a hit would it be to get to the refreshed model? I do think it will hold it's value a lot better over the next few years which is part of why we went with it. Plus those upgrade wouuuulld be nice 😆👊
@@TheSAHDLife I have a feeling, the lack of LFP versions on the market here might be good for resale. LFP is the obvious choice for ride share drivers. I also thought to hold off till the refreshed Y shows up to see if I want to go that route. We're close enough that I might do that
A lot of good advises but one thing you need to know : the AWD is behaving as a RWD 95% of the time. That's why the range difference between the RWD and AWD isn't as much as you see for other EV that offer both.
Yeah good call! I guess the extra power off the line would be really noticeable compared to the single motor one. But that's great they're able to get out so much range with all-wheel drive that way.
want the more reliable LFP batterie otherwise I would buy a BYD
I wish we had byd in Canada, I'd love to drive one. So far our car with the LFP battery has been great!
RWD has been discontinued!
I just saw! Well, the LFP battery is gone. They got them from China and now there's a huge tax on them so they are out. You can STILL get the RWD but it uses the more expensive NMC batteries. You will get more range though which is nice but it is different battery tech. Crazy.
Swedes probably think that Tesla Tesla is an expensive car anyway, so it's just as well to buy a really good Tesla. the vast majority of buyers probably belong to the middle class who live in villas
I think it's going to be a little bit different every country as far as rebates and electric prices etc... here in Canada we have very reasonable electricity rates so the car actually is a lot cheaper in the long run than one might think.
There's no such thing as buying the wrong Tesla 😉.
Hehe they do all seem pretty awesome. I'm not going to lie though, I do wish we bought the AWD at times. It was just SO much more expensive we couldn't justify it. But like you are saying, since driving the Tesla we don't even want our other car anymore. So if we had bought the other one, perhaps we could have gotten rid of our gas AWD vehicle.
Model Y Long Range, no ra-grets.
Yeah nice. It'd be sweet to have that extra bit of ride height. We would have loved to have waited and seen how much the new model y cost but I wonder when they're going to actually be released?
@@TheSAHDLife Bro, first quarter next year. But if your not considering the Juniper, there is no reason to get it's cheaper variant the 2025 Model Y. Unless you want better range, bigger battery, aestheics, etc. They been dropping the prices on the 2024 Model Y since the beginning of this october. I can assume bigger discounts after the Robotaxi event in 3 days. But honestly, I think the Model 3 is wayy funner to drive 😁
Dude, you lost me here 5:00 because at this point, your comparison makes no sense. Are you aware that not everyone have 2 cars home, one with 4x4 as a spare? Obvious that this weith someone's decision. Sell your 4x4 and see if you feel the same with only one car. Also, where did you get those numbers, since new Tesla 3 have 700km autonomy for long range version?
I hear you. At that moment I said I probably would have got the awd IF we didn't have the 2nd vehicle. I still feel that way. But yeah it's a completely different decision when you have a 2nd vehicle, especially if that's the main family vehicle. In a perfect world I think we'd have a (new when it comes out) Model Y and a mid-size truck. But we are where we are!
@@TheSAHDLife That makes sense.
That's the wrong rwd. They have a 4.9 s one now.
The rear wheel drive available here in Canada has always been different than the one in the states. I'm not sure if it's because we get ours from China and you get the ones built in the US or if there's other reasons... But yes pretty much days after I made that video Tesla dropped the LFP batteries and replaced them with the NMC ones which do give it a performance boost which is nice. It cost more but at least you get the extra range and the performance.
Just say no to Elon.
Ugh, I know. See that's the WORST part about buying a Tesla is people think you like/support Elongated Muskrat.
Edit: my comments was a joke. I don't know enough about Elon to have an opinion about what kind of person he is. He's very impressive that's for sure. We bought the Model 3 because it's a great car not because of his politics or whether or not he's a good person. I thought the name was funny and I'm sure he can handle a joke.
@@TheSAHDLifeonly Americans are dumb enough to think that. Rest of the world just buys it because it's a good car. Like...who tf cares who makes an object as long as it's what you want and/or need..
Just say no to bigots like you.
In that case, just say no to Chinese brands.
Just say no to people who are ok with censorship like you