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Keep the charge between 30% and 70%! I’m a battery engineer with Tesla S and X ownership experience since 2014. I also live just 15 minutes from the Texas Gigafactory. Don’t take advice from people who haven’t owned an EV for over 10 years or lack a proper education on the subject, period.
Always read your car's manual for proper charging instructions and best day-to-day practices. Depending on the chemistry of the battery, you will have different charging profiles. Tesla uses three main cathode chemistries. NCA, NCM, and LFP > all three chemistries having different voltage curves, especially LFP. Just read your manual on the subject or contact Tesla. Don't listen to people online, everyone claims to be an expert.
Hey, so Tesla says on their website that it's better to leave your car plugged in at home even when it's fully charged. Apparently, the car does some stuff that can degrade the battery if you let it lose charge and then recharge it. They say it's better to just keep it plugged in and let it do its thing. I've also heard that it's not good to let your battery go below 20% or above 80%.
No mention was made regarding amperage, but I typically charge my Tesla at home using a Wall Charger. I usually charge overnight at around 13 amps, rather than the maximum 40 or 48 amps available-essentially, I "trickle charge." As a long-time motorcyclist and motorist, this approach has helped extend battery life. For example, I've had car batteries last 6 to 7 years before needing replacement. After 46,500 miles on my Model Y, I've only seen a decrease of about 1.5% to 2% in the battery's range (from the original 310 miles), which I consider negligible. Also, I do most of my driving in Chill Mode.
Tesla's Battery Management System is smart enough to avoid sending too much current to the battery, the same thing you're claiming will damage it by way of frequent Supercharging. Now I could be wrong but there are reports out there that I would have rather seen you reference; this coming from someone who does have a "stove outlet" in my 2 car garage. Thanks for the video regardless - obviously I'm interested in what you have to say as I clicked and plan on continuing to watch all the way through. Good stuff and I like your editing style! Rock awn.
There’s been conflicting evidence over the years, but different studies come to different conclusions. Plus, overall degradation over the long term is hard to pin on one variable alone. Nonetheless, proper preconditioning is a must. And I was joking about the stove outlet haha. Thanks for watching! Hope you clicked subscribe
Batteries eventually degrade. Frequent Supercharging will speed up the degradation. It won't destroy the battery instantly, but you'll definitely lose range *faster* compared to someone who charge slower at 120/240V. Engineering Explained has a video on this topic.
@@tuan.hoang_but there's plenty of real world videos with people using for taxis/Uber who have 3 to 400k on original battery that supercharger 2 or 3 times a day everyday and it's still holding about 90 percent of original charge
@@griffinsgarage96yeah man unfortunately everyone isn’t as fortunate as you to have a home charger set up by your neighbor the electrician, people that live in apartments practically have to supercharge and Elon knows this that’s why you see so many Supercharging stations across the US and practically the world it was always an outlet for him to make additional revenue I don’t buy your report because you to have a quicker speed than the mobile charger don’t really understand your theory on that what are people suppose to do not use the supercharging stations.
True...they are lithium packs, and yes, it generally recommended to keep Lithium batteries between 30-80%, but what you are not considering is the true capacity of the battery. In a Lithium battery pack for a radio controlled toy car, it may have a 5000mAh battey pack. When your charger says that battery has been charged ro 100%, it truly is full, having around 5000mAh of capacity to give. However, passenger EV manufacturers will not give you the access to the full capacity. They withold at least 10%, so whenyou see 100% SOC indicated, that's really only 90% of the battery.
For the home charger, unless you need to charge a lot and fast, don't bother with the wall charger. Just get the portable one with the the correct 220 Volt adapter and figure out in your home where to plug it (usually the electric dryer and the electric stove will have that connection). It charges almost as fast as the wall charger and you don't need to run a dedicated line to the panel. Depending of the location, all you need is either an extension cord for 220 Volt or to do a quick line install which is easier to run from an already installed outlet than directly from the panel. The only downside is that you cannot use the charger and the appliance at the same time. In my case, I ran it from the dryer outlet which is in my garage and installed the new outlet by the garage door, made a hole on the wall next to it and installed a small box on the outside. This way I have access to the charger from both inside the garage and outside, just need to pass the charger plug through the wall.
@ I don’t know about North America, but where I live, voltage is usually 230V. Typically, for wall connector installed at home they use 3-phase power, so it’s 230V * 16A * 3 = 11 kW.
I have a 2022 model three RWD. I always charge 100% I drive a lot around 5000 miles a month now I have 136,000 miles. It went from 272 miles of range to 256 in 29 months.
Your car is following the Science, not the popular opinion. Few on YT are engineers doing real research using reliable data. Your car is right where it should be and will have very little degradation over the next 100K miles. Most degradation takes place in the first 30K miles. Also, there is ZERO statistically significant data that suggest Super Charging using the Navigate to Super Charger function and regularly charging using JUST Super Chargers will degrade your battery. It is all urban legend that Super Charging will harm your battery, not science. The non-technical folks on UA-cam live in an echo chamber and just repeat the reverberations of others without ever researching real technical data.
@@howzettt Do your own research. The Norwegian data is pretty easy to find and gets updated every couple of years. It was based on Super Charging vs all other forms of charging comparing degradation rates. Good luck and stayed charged!
@@benkanobe7500 thank you for putting this out the creator of this video, is condemning Superchargers, and for people that live in Apartments that’s sometimes the only option. Elon knew what he was doing when he created all of those Super Charging stations, it’s another revenue stream for him. Thanks again.
Here's the thing, I live in an appartement and can't charge daily at home. There's public chargers of course. But unlike homeowners, I can't just plug it in whenever I don't use the car or let's say every night. I charge when I hit 30/40 and charge it up to 80. I don't use it that much so I maybe charge 1x per week. Is that harmful?
You said that lower voltage is better, but do you mean lower current is better? My level 2 Tesla connector can charge my model 3 between 5 and 32 A but voltage is practically constant on a given connector. I charge each night at the lowest possible current that will be projected to be done by 7 am because I suspect that lower current is gentler on the battery and I like how it is more likely to keep the battery warm by morning as opposed to charging before midnight and then the battery has all night to cool.
We have used level 1 charging since 2018. And continue with 2 MY’s. We live in a condo with. Metered 120v 20amp line. We use up to 30% (70% to 40%) when driving local.
Not enough people talk about the importance of using a 20amp outlet over a 15amp if you’re doing level 1. It brings your charging speed from 2kW to 2.9kw, nearly 70% increase in speed.
15A at 120V is 1.8kW, 20A at 120V is 2.4kW. How did it work out to 2.9kW ? It shouldn't be drawing 20A continuous even if the breaker is a 20A breaker.
@@dubmob151 You’re right. Completely messed up the numbers on that one. 20amp charging pulls 16amp continuously for 1.9kWh charging. 15amp does 1.4kWh. On a SR+ Model 3 increasing from 15amp to 20amp being your charging speed from 7 miles and hour to 10. That doesn’t sound like a lot but if you’re charging for 10 hours overnight, that brings you from 70 miles of charge to 100. If you don’t commute far, a lot of people could get by using only a 20amp charger.
I charge mine through the use of an extension cord. Haven’t had any over heating problems. Very informative video. I only charge my Tesla to 100 percent once a week. That’s the only time I use a super charger. I keep it plugged in on the mobile charger.
People worry too much about how to charge and when to charge. The likeliness of your battery going bad from bad charging practices are slim maybe at best. I currently own a 2017 Model X with 160k miles & 202 Model Y with 70K miles and I have left my car sitting at 100% for days and left it sitting at below 10% for days as well. All the things people say you shouldn’t do I’ve done time and time again. My 2014 Model S85 had 380K miles original battery and original drive units and I treated that car the same. That car went through 7 door handles.
What you didn't mention is how much degradation your car currently has. I have a 2020 Model S with 60k miles and I charge to 65% daily. It has 1% degradation. I bet your X is over 10% and the Y is over 5%.
@ My X is sitting at 91% of original capacity, my Y is sitting at 93%, My S is sitting at 87% these numbers aren’t bad considering the amount of abuse I put them through.
How are these seemingly precise degradation numbers being determined? Are they being tested and reported by the vehicle manufacturers based on self test routines, or are they able to be tested with independent actual discharge cycle measurements?
I have a 2024 Tesla model 3 and I use the level 1 charger on a 110 volt outlet to charge it most of the time my question would be how if any does that effect the batteries life in my car
A lithium battery kept at 100% and +20C temp can loss 20% capacity a year. While at 50% and +5C it loses less than 5% a year. (Much less than this, in my case only 8% less in 6 years, and since I am familiar whith EV driving I still do the same range in fact)
What is the charging best practice for the newer NMC batteries, e.g. as those used in the 2024 Model 3 Long Range? My understanding that this is a *different set* of recommendations than an LFP or NCA battery.
Informative video! I’m retired and average about 4K miles yearly mainly around town. The longest trips around town are about 15 miles. Most trips are about 4 miles. I will make a couple of trips a month that average 200 miles. I’m considering switching from gas to an electric vehicle. I’m planning winter getaways for 4-8 weeks. What’s the best way to store a Tesla for those few weeks I’m gone in my temperature controlled garage, which I set a 65 degrees in the winter? I’m planning on getting an AWD Model Y. Thanks
Way too much stressing over charging. Plenty of Tesla’s are now going over 100,000 miles with not too much degradation. Some use Superchargers everyday!
Hi, Recently, I acquired a new Tesla Model Y 2025 and would appreciate your recommendations and advice on charging since I do not own a house and must utilize supercharging stations. I am particularly interested in determining whether it is more advantageous to use a slower or faster supercharger. Additionally, I would like to know if it is necessary to wait until the battery reaches 20% before charging to 80% using either Level 2 or Level 3 Chargers. Thank you for your time and assistance in this matter. I reside in the United States.
I own a Tesla model 3 performance year 2023. I’ve used 2nd stage chargers 85% of the time.,15% supercharging. I do not have a garage so I’ve found an apartment complex that I go to to charge up. The car charges for about four hours..The apartment complex is about a quarter mile away from my work. I use an electric scooter to get to my job site.While the car changes.(there are foldable scooters that can be put in your trunk.) The scooter has been God sent. I’m 66 years old and have fun riding it.(-: I keep my range between 20 and 80%! Some say that supercharging is bad while others say it’s OK. If you do supercharge precondition your battery first before pulling into the supercharger..
First look at your specific user manual/guide. Read the manufacturer’s recommendations not some random guys info on the internet. Plus, It all depends on how much you drive. And where you live, if you live where it gets really cold, you will want to keep it charged more. You also need to think about connecting to WiFi to get updates to the computer system. But in the end you do what you have to do, even if that means super charging on a regular basis.
Good video, but it would be useful to show some charts (if you have them) to show charging speed (level 1,2,3) vs. longevity of the battery for 2 different battery types. Or , maybe battery life time chart which shows L1, L2, L3 types of chargers and charging speeds. So, if given a choice (time vs. charger level) one can intelligently choose ( having longevity of the battery in mind).
To recap: He says Ignore Tesla instructions which state The most important way to preserve the high voltage Battery is to LEAVE YOUR VEHICLE PLUGGED IN when you are not using it. This is particularly important if you are not planning to drive Model Y for several weeks.
The plugs here in germany or general on EU teslas look totally different 😅 .. i wonder if the newer LongRange RWD model with the bigger battery also has the LFP pack.. the nearest Supercharger for me is 33miles away from home 😂 but there are another fastchargers in my town ^^ ..i still own a Diesel car atm but i‘m planning on a tesla 😎🤣
great video. i have one question what about if you have a nema 6-20? now from what I have seen you can get a nema 6-20 lvl 1or 2 but gives you for Model s (11 mi), 3 (15mi), X (8mi still low), Y (14mi) and that is while plugged in a regular outlet. Would you recommend a 6-20 over the 5-15? Also would you recommend a certified EV extension cable (GearIT 50-Amp Extension Cord for RV and EV (50 Feet)? I hope these questions make sense and all, getting a tesla and have been looking for charging and saw the nema 6-20 and would like your thoughts. Again, great video and information.
Well if you already have a 6-20 in your garage, simply go for that it’ll be your cheapest and best option. 5-15 will be much slower charging. Thanks for watching! Please consider subscribing😀
There are a lot of advantages in having a 6-20 outlet for use in EV charging: 1. If your electrical panel is limited to around 100 amps, you may not be able to install a higher- powered 240-volt outlet like the NEMA 14-50, but your panel may allow for the installation of a 20-amp, 240-volt, 6-20 outlet. 2. The NEMA 6-20 outlet is surprisingly quite powerful in itself since it can provide up to 15 miles per hour of charging capability. As such, when charging off-peak overnight for a 12-hour period, you're looking at up to 180 miles of accumulated range added to your EV. Not too shabby! 3. A significantly number of 6-20 type portable EV chargers have a current-adjusting capability so as to allow you to charge your EV almost anywhere, be it at a friend's house or at a campground, or anywhere else where you have access to a typical 120-volt outlet. Just be sure to take the appropriate adapters with you. 4. NEMA 6-20 EV chargers are very light and can easily be carried in your EV when going on road trips without adding too much weight. 5. Carrying a portable, combination 120-volt/240-volt EV charger (or EVSE) can provide you with piece of mind rather than stressing over finding commercial level 2 and DC fast chargers.
@@jaimehidalgo9072 it'd use 240V from your electrical panel, which you can have done by an electrician to minimize the risk of setting your house on fire if you tried to do it yourself but improperly.
Energy density per lb is far less in LFP batteries that’s why they are not available in Long Range models because they will be hundreds of pounds heavier then the equivalent long range NCA battery.
Nice to see a review from a fellow Canadian😊We just leased our 2024 Model Y on September 23. We live in an older home and didn’t want to pay thousands to upgrade our panel ( we had a few quotes) We decided that based on our needs, working from home as well as having another car which is gas the Level 1 charger has been perfect for us. As far as charge levels it is recommended for our particular model to be charged to 100% at least once per week. On another note, quite a few people in my neighbourhood solely drive Tesla’s and most have them parked outside year round. I have heard people saying that in cold climates the battery doesn’t perform as well. Based on my observations I’ve seen them drive in snow storms🤷♀️I’m not sure if you have a video on winter performance based on your personal experience but I would love to see your thoughts. Really enjoy your content btw, you speak calmly and explain things well, thank you 😊**I’d like to add a quick tip for anyone needing an extension cord for their LEVEL 1 charger. We have found an extension cord on amazon by the brand Iron Forge. It’s 10 Gauge and 10 feet! The thickness of the cord is exactly the same as the Tesla cord. It’s 65$ CDN but well worth it for peace of mind. It never heats up it’s super durable and heavy, and the reviews are outstanding. Many people mention they use it for their EV’s. Hope this helps as it took a while to find this extension cord. As an FYI the shorter the extension cord the better for safety and charging capability.
Thanks for watching and commenting! The battery’s range is very noticeably depleted in the winter. Driving itself has been fine though, especially if you have AWD.
You have a great neighbor. That's a loyal friend. $300 to install an ev charger hardwired is a great deal. It's about $1.5 to $2 grand install depending on piping to panel, wiring length, inspection, and labor hours
I installed 3 at each of my houses. It’s not terribly hard to do. It’s $100 for the receptacle, $80 for the GFCI breaker, and then $2-3 a foot for wire. I’ve heard of guys paying $800-1200 to have it done by a licensed electrician. I don’t know if I’d own an EV if I had to rely on superchargers for everyday use.
Doesn't the EVSE implement GFCI protection? Is the GFCI circuit breaker required regardless of the EVSE unit being used ? Possibly if it's not hard wired, and being unplugged and plugged in for daily use.
@ I put a GFCI breaker on my 3 installs. I’m having trouble with one of them, so I’ll probably switch it to a regular breaker. The EVSE has a built in GFCI protection, which protects everything from outlet to the car. A GFCI breaker would protect all your wiring and the outlet itself. For whatever reason the new code requires GFCI breakers on EV chargers, even if they’re inside your garage. It’s overkill, imo. The Tesla mobile charger sends a small bit of voltage through the ground wire to make sure it’s properly grounded when charging first starts. I think that’s what’s tripping my GFCI breaker. It’s an older home that didn’t isolate the neutrals and grounds, so that bit of voltage is probably leaking over to the ground.
nuisance GFCI tripping on an EVSE would've been annoying if you didn't find out until the next morning that the battery hasn't been charging; don't think the belt and suspenders approach is needed in that case -
@@dubmob151 Yeah, its definitely overkill. The house where this is a problem doesn't have the neutrals and grounds isolated. I think this is the problem. At the other two houses, there's no problems. Luckily, if its going to trip, it'll trip immediately.
I work for the largest Tesla battery supplier outside of Tesla manufacturing You want it to last forever charge from 20% to 70% only charge at home supercharging is not great for your car Your battery will last forever
I am only using about 20% of my battery daily. I charge at home with a level 1 charger which gives me 15% every night. So I keep using that until my battery goes down tk ~30-40% then I supercharge to 80%. Does it damage my battery?
If you're supercharging a couple times per month you're fine. But I'd highly consider investing in a wall charger if I were you. Thanks for watching and please consider subscribing!
1)All EV batteries by law need to have a warranty for 10 years 2)Most people buy a new car earlier than every 10 years 3) 20k for a battery is like buying a new car anyway 4) a new Tesla costs more than 20k 5)when you change the battery it is just as good as getting a new car anyway
@Whimsy4fall the USA. I believe the minimum warranty by law (i believe set by an EPA rule) is that it must retain 70% battery life for 8 years (not 10, i realized. I did, in fact, make a mistake in years).
The batteries do not charge the same that's just not true. One can handle being fully charged to 100% without damage (lfp) if it's not a fast rate of charge where all other Tesla battery packs shouldn't go over 80%
@@ictpilot as long as it's within warranty. Extended interval oil changes are similarly fine within the warranty period as they'll survive until the coverage expires, which is the manufacturer concern, not really maximizing lifespan.
@@griffinsgarage96 And just what do you think is 100 percent state of charge in a Lithium battery? Which type of lithium battery? You need to learn the difference between opinion and science.
Your $300 install, will cost the average person $1500-$2500! Electrician’s are scamming customers on these installs. I refuse to pay this rate, I use the mobile device with a 240v dryer plug, and set the car to 20A limit, well below the max.
I heard that tesla did an apple and samsung. Stopped including a charger with the product. And charge you for that same product instead I now click off now
keeping battery between 30 and 80% means you are not getting the full use of your car's range. advertised to get 300+ miles if you run it from 100% to )%, yet tells you keep it in the 30 to 80% range or you can/will degrade your battery. Seems like an excellent access NOT to buy one.
Different research studies and difficult to pinpoint exact results due to so many variables. If possible to use Level 2 as much as possible though, it wouldn't hurt. Thanks for watching!
50% is optimal for long term storage. Not for daily use. For daily use, cycle the battery around 50%, staying in the 20-80% range. Charging at 95% instead of 100% already doubles the battery life. Charging at 80% multiplies by 6 the battery cycle potential while not discharging lower than 20%, 10% worse case on long legs but not on daily use. 20-30% is better like said here. And never keep a battery above 80% nor under 20% for a long period of time.
first your young so your info level isnt there,,,,,,,, do some research into battery longevity... they say 5% over a 10 year run,.... so tell me youngster who thinks he is helping the world......... have you been using this car for 10 years an seen a change,,,,, your theory is only speculation...
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Keep the charge between 30% and 70%!
I’m a battery engineer with Tesla S and X ownership experience since 2014.
I also live just 15 minutes from the Texas Gigafactory.
Don’t take advice from people who haven’t owned an EV for over 10 years or lack a proper education on the subject, period.
The few who owned EV for 10 years min are not doing reviews
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Always read your car's manual for proper charging instructions and best day-to-day practices. Depending on the chemistry of the battery, you will have different charging profiles. Tesla uses three main cathode chemistries. NCA, NCM, and LFP > all three chemistries having different voltage curves, especially LFP. Just read your manual on the subject or contact Tesla. Don't listen to people online, everyone claims to be an expert.
Are you always supposed to have it on charge at home and schedule it
Hey, so Tesla says on their website that it's better to leave your car plugged in at home even when it's fully charged. Apparently, the car does some stuff that can degrade the battery if you let it lose charge and then recharge it. They say it's better to just keep it plugged in and let it do its thing. I've also heard that it's not good to let your battery go below 20% or above 80%.
No mention was made regarding amperage, but I typically charge my Tesla at home using a Wall Charger. I usually charge overnight at around 13 amps, rather than the maximum 40 or 48 amps available-essentially, I "trickle charge." As a long-time motorcyclist and motorist, this approach has helped extend battery life. For example, I've had car batteries last 6 to 7 years before needing replacement. After 46,500 miles on my Model Y, I've only seen a decrease of about 1.5% to 2% in the battery's range (from the original 310 miles), which I consider negligible. Also, I do most of my driving in Chill Mode.
Tesla's Battery Management System is smart enough to avoid sending too much current to the battery, the same thing you're claiming will damage it by way of frequent Supercharging. Now I could be wrong but there are reports out there that I would have rather seen you reference; this coming from someone who does have a "stove outlet" in my 2 car garage. Thanks for the video regardless - obviously I'm interested in what you have to say as I clicked and plan on continuing to watch all the way through. Good stuff and I like your editing style! Rock awn.
There’s been conflicting evidence over the years, but different studies come to different conclusions. Plus, overall degradation over the long term is hard to pin on one variable alone. Nonetheless, proper preconditioning is a must. And I was joking about the stove outlet haha. Thanks for watching! Hope you clicked subscribe
Batteries eventually degrade. Frequent Supercharging will speed up the degradation. It won't destroy the battery instantly, but you'll definitely lose range *faster* compared to someone who charge slower at 120/240V.
Engineering Explained has a video on this topic.
@@tuan.hoang_but there's plenty of real world videos with people using for taxis/Uber who have 3 to 400k on original battery that supercharger 2 or 3 times a day everyday and it's still holding about 90 percent of original charge
@@griffinsgarage96yeah man unfortunately everyone isn’t as fortunate as you to have a home charger set up by your neighbor the electrician, people that live in apartments practically have to supercharge and Elon knows this that’s why you see so many Supercharging stations across the US and practically the world it was always an outlet for him to make additional revenue I don’t buy your report because you to have a quicker speed than the mobile charger don’t really understand your theory on that what are people suppose to do not use the supercharging stations.
True...they are lithium packs, and yes, it generally recommended to keep Lithium batteries between 30-80%, but what you are not considering is the true capacity of the battery. In a Lithium battery pack for a radio controlled toy car, it may have a 5000mAh battey pack. When your charger says that battery has been charged ro 100%, it truly is full, having around 5000mAh of capacity to give. However, passenger EV manufacturers will not give you the access to the full capacity. They withold at least 10%, so whenyou see 100% SOC indicated, that's really only 90% of the battery.
For the home charger, unless you need to charge a lot and fast, don't bother with the wall charger. Just get the portable one with the the correct 220 Volt adapter and figure out in your home where to plug it (usually the electric dryer and the electric stove will have that connection). It charges almost as fast as the wall charger and you don't need to run a dedicated line to the panel. Depending of the location, all you need is either an extension cord for 220 Volt or to do a quick line install which is easier to run from an already installed outlet than directly from the panel. The only downside is that you cannot use the charger and the appliance at the same time. In my case, I ran it from the dryer outlet which is in my garage and installed the new outlet by the garage door, made a hole on the wall next to it and installed a small box on the outside. This way I have access to the charger from both inside the garage and outside, just need to pass the charger plug through the wall.
@@ddb5736 did you do it by yourself? I have the panel in the garage but not with a 220V breaker.
It does not charge almost as fast as the wall connector. The mobile connector is 2.5 kWh max whereas the wall connector goes up to 11 kWh.
@@MohamadAlb what is the voltage for the wall one?
@ I don’t know about North America, but where I live, voltage is usually 230V. Typically, for wall connector installed at home they use 3-phase power, so it’s 230V * 16A * 3 = 11 kW.
I have a 2022 model three RWD. I always charge 100% I drive a lot around 5000 miles a month now I have 136,000 miles. It went from 272 miles of range to 256 in 29 months.
Good data, thanks for sharing!
Your car is following the Science, not the popular opinion. Few on YT are engineers doing real research using reliable data. Your car is right where it should be and will have very little degradation over the next 100K miles. Most degradation takes place in the first 30K miles. Also, there is ZERO statistically significant data that suggest Super Charging using the Navigate to Super Charger function and regularly charging using JUST Super Chargers will degrade your battery. It is all urban legend that Super Charging will harm your battery, not science. The non-technical folks on UA-cam live in an echo chamber and just repeat the reverberations of others without ever researching real technical data.
@@benkanobe7500what science you talking about bud. Explain or have references of studies done.
@@howzettt Do your own research. The Norwegian data is pretty easy to find and gets updated every couple of years. It was based on Super Charging vs all other forms of charging comparing degradation rates. Good luck and stayed charged!
@@benkanobe7500 thank you for putting this out the creator of this video, is condemning Superchargers, and for people that live in Apartments that’s sometimes the only option. Elon knew what he was doing when he created all of those Super Charging stations, it’s another revenue stream for him. Thanks again.
Here's the thing, I live in an appartement and can't charge daily at home. There's public chargers of course. But unlike homeowners, I can't just plug it in whenever I don't use the car or let's say every night. I charge when I hit 30/40 and charge it up to 80. I don't use it that much so I maybe charge 1x per week. Is that harmful?
You said that lower voltage is better, but do you mean lower current is better? My level 2 Tesla connector can charge my model 3 between 5 and 32 A but voltage is practically constant on a given connector. I charge each night at the lowest possible current that will be projected to be done by 7 am because I suspect that lower current is gentler on the battery and I like how it is more likely to keep the battery warm by morning as opposed to charging before midnight and then the battery has all night to cool.
We have used level 1 charging since 2018. And continue with 2 MY’s. We live in a condo with. Metered 120v 20amp line. We use up to 30% (70% to 40%) when driving local.
Thanks for sharing!
Not enough people talk about the importance of using a 20amp outlet over a 15amp if you’re doing level 1. It brings your charging speed from 2kW to 2.9kw, nearly 70% increase in speed.
With the 70 to 40 charging regimen, what's the effective range in miles?
15A at 120V is 1.8kW, 20A at 120V is 2.4kW.
How did it work out to 2.9kW ?
It shouldn't be drawing 20A continuous even if the breaker is a 20A breaker.
@@dubmob151 You’re right. Completely messed up the numbers on that one. 20amp charging pulls 16amp continuously for 1.9kWh charging. 15amp does 1.4kWh. On a SR+ Model 3 increasing from 15amp to 20amp being your charging speed from 7 miles and hour to 10.
That doesn’t sound like a lot but if you’re charging for 10 hours overnight, that brings you from 70 miles of charge to 100. If you don’t commute far, a lot of people could get by using only a 20amp charger.
I charge mine through the use of an extension cord. Haven’t had any over heating problems. Very informative video. I only charge my Tesla to 100 percent once a week. That’s the only time I use a super charger. I keep it plugged in on the mobile charger.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
Bruh your thumbnail made me think i was in the wrong for using my level 1 charger, and had to watch your whole video to find out 😂 come on bruh
People worry too much about how to charge and when to charge. The likeliness of your battery going bad from bad charging practices are slim maybe at best.
I currently own a 2017 Model X with 160k miles & 202 Model Y with 70K miles and I have left my car sitting at 100% for days and left it sitting at below 10% for days as well. All the things people say you shouldn’t do I’ve done time and time again.
My 2014 Model S85 had 380K miles original battery and original drive units and I treated that car the same. That car went through 7 door handles.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! At least trying to maintain the best practices possible isn’t a bad idea though
What you didn't mention is how much degradation your car currently has. I have a 2020 Model S with 60k miles and I charge to 65% daily. It has 1% degradation. I bet your X is over 10% and the Y is over 5%.
@ My X is sitting at 91% of original capacity, my Y is sitting at 93%, My S is sitting at 87% these numbers aren’t bad considering the amount of abuse I put them through.
How are these seemingly precise degradation numbers being determined? Are they being tested and reported by the vehicle manufacturers based on self test routines, or are they able to be tested with independent actual discharge cycle measurements?
Fastest mibile is 2.5 kWh at 220V. What is the voltage in the other case?
is there an ideal level 2 charging current?
12:23 It recommends keeping at 100% *and* charging to full once a week. This should not be conflated to mean always charge to 100%.
Indeed!
I have a 2024 Tesla model 3 and I use the level 1 charger on a 110 volt outlet to charge it most of the time my question would be how if any does that effect the batteries life in my car
Totally fine
@ won’t effect it at all ?
i have 23 MYLR with 24k miles and lose 3~4 miles everytime i charge to 100%.
from 330 brandnew and its down to 305miles at 100% charging.
I use 110v charging. My daily commute is about 48 miles issues.
A lithium battery kept at 100% and +20C temp can loss 20% capacity a year. While at 50% and +5C it loses less than 5% a year. (Much less than this, in my case only 8% less in 6 years, and since I am familiar whith EV driving I still do the same range in fact)
What is the charging best practice for the newer NMC batteries, e.g. as those used in the 2024 Model 3 Long Range? My understanding that this is a *different set* of recommendations than an LFP or NCA battery.
The best advice is to store it between 40 and 60%, charge it to 80% maximum daily and charge it to 100% only before a long trip.
Informative video!
I’m retired and average about 4K miles yearly mainly around town. The longest trips around town are about 15 miles. Most trips are about 4 miles. I will make a couple of trips a month that average 200 miles.
I’m considering switching from gas to an electric vehicle. I’m planning winter getaways for 4-8 weeks. What’s the best way to store a Tesla for those few weeks I’m gone in my temperature controlled garage, which I set a 65 degrees in the winter? I’m planning on getting an AWD Model Y.
Thanks
Way too much stressing over charging. Plenty of Tesla’s are now going over 100,000 miles with not too much degradation. Some use Superchargers everyday!
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Hi, Recently, I acquired a new Tesla Model Y 2025 and would appreciate your recommendations and advice on charging since I do not own a house and must utilize supercharging stations. I am particularly interested in determining whether it is more advantageous to use a slower or faster supercharger. Additionally, I would like to know if it is necessary to wait until the battery reaches 20% before charging to 80% using either Level 2 or Level 3 Chargers. Thank you for your time and assistance in this matter.
I reside in the United States.
I own a Tesla model 3 performance year 2023. I’ve used 2nd stage chargers 85% of the time.,15% supercharging. I do not have a garage so I’ve found an apartment complex that I go to to charge up. The car charges for about four hours..The apartment complex is about a quarter mile away from my work. I use an electric scooter to get to my job site.While the car changes.(there are foldable scooters that can be put in your trunk.) The scooter has been God sent. I’m 66 years old and have fun riding it.(-: I keep my range between 20 and 80%! Some say that supercharging is bad while others say it’s OK. If you do supercharge precondition your battery first before pulling into the supercharger..
First look at your specific user manual/guide. Read the manufacturer’s recommendations not some random guys info on the internet. Plus, It all depends on how much you drive. And where you live, if you live where it gets really cold, you will want to keep it charged more. You also need to think about connecting to WiFi to get updates to the computer system. But in the end you do what you have to do, even if that means super charging on a regular basis.
@@christiankoehler3113 thanks for the tip.
Is there battery called NCA? I thought it was Lithium Nickel Cobalt Manganese abbreviated NMC, Li-NMC, LNMC, or NCM.
Yes there is. NCA means Nickel, Cobalt, Aluminium.
@@adon8672 Was that the oldest from 2017-2021 using 2170 cells?
@@abebegirmay3327Panasonic’s cells are NCA.
Yes NCA is a battery used in many Teslas
Good video, but it would be useful to show some charts (if you have them) to show charging speed (level 1,2,3) vs. longevity of the battery for 2 different battery types. Or , maybe battery life time chart which shows L1, L2, L3 types of chargers and charging speeds. So, if given a choice (time vs. charger level) one can intelligently choose ( having longevity of the battery in mind).
To recap: He says Ignore Tesla instructions which state The most important way to preserve the high voltage Battery is to LEAVE YOUR VEHICLE PLUGGED IN when you are not using it. This is particularly important if you are not planning to drive Model Y for several weeks.
I am saying just that, to leave it plugged in at all times when not in use, just at the proper SoC level
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About to get my first EV witch will be a new model 3. Nervous about messing up the battery somehow. Thanks for explaining.
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The plugs here in germany or general on EU teslas look totally different 😅 .. i wonder if the newer LongRange RWD model with the bigger battery also has the LFP pack.. the nearest Supercharger for me is 33miles away from home 😂 but there are another fastchargers in my town ^^ ..i still own a Diesel car atm but i‘m planning on a tesla 😎🤣
great video. i have one question what about if you have a nema 6-20? now from what I have seen you can get a nema 6-20 lvl 1or 2 but gives you for Model s (11 mi), 3 (15mi), X (8mi still low), Y (14mi) and that is while plugged in a regular outlet. Would you recommend a 6-20 over the 5-15? Also would you recommend a certified EV extension cable (GearIT 50-Amp Extension Cord for RV and EV (50 Feet)? I hope these questions make sense and all, getting a tesla and have been looking for charging and saw the nema 6-20 and would like your thoughts. Again, great video and information.
Well if you already have a 6-20 in your garage, simply go for that it’ll be your cheapest and best option. 5-15 will be much slower charging. Thanks for watching! Please consider subscribing😀
@@griffinsgarage96 already did.
There are a lot of advantages in having a 6-20 outlet for use in EV charging:
1. If your electrical panel is limited to around 100 amps, you may not be able to install a higher- powered 240-volt outlet like the NEMA 14-50, but your panel may allow for the installation of a 20-amp, 240-volt, 6-20 outlet.
2. The NEMA 6-20 outlet is surprisingly quite powerful in itself since it can provide up to 15 miles per hour of charging capability. As such, when charging off-peak overnight for a 12-hour period, you're looking at up to 180 miles of accumulated range added to your EV. Not too shabby!
3. A significantly number of 6-20 type portable EV chargers have a current-adjusting capability so as to allow you to charge your EV almost anywhere, be it at a friend's house or at a campground, or anywhere else where you have access to a typical 120-volt outlet.
Just be sure to take the appropriate adapters with you.
4. NEMA 6-20 EV chargers are very light and can easily be carried in your EV when going on road trips without adding too much weight.
5. Carrying a portable, combination 120-volt/240-volt EV charger (or EVSE) can provide you with piece of mind rather than stressing over finding commercial level 2 and DC fast chargers.
To install a Tesla wall charger what kind of voltage of electric panel is required , really don’t want to light up my house on fire 😮
I’m not 100% sure. My neighbour the electrician did mine. Thanks for watching and please subscribe!
@@jaimehidalgo9072 it'd use 240V from your electrical panel, which you can have done by an electrician to minimize the risk of setting your house on fire if you tried to do it yourself but improperly.
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60 amp at 240v single phase
lfp batteries are actually cheaper to produce which is why they are in the cheaper tesla models like the base model 3.
Makes sense!
Energy density per lb is far less in LFP batteries that’s why they are not available in Long Range models because they will be hundreds of pounds heavier then the equivalent long range NCA battery.
The 2018 had a 250 as well.
Nice to see a review from a fellow Canadian😊We just leased our 2024 Model Y on September 23. We live in an older home and didn’t want to pay thousands to upgrade our panel ( we had a few quotes) We decided that based on our needs, working from home as well as having another car which is gas the Level 1 charger has been perfect for us. As far as charge levels it is recommended for our particular model to be charged to 100% at least once per week. On another note, quite a few people in my neighbourhood solely drive Tesla’s and most have them parked outside year round. I have heard people saying that in cold climates the battery doesn’t perform as well. Based on my observations I’ve seen them drive in snow storms🤷♀️I’m not sure if you have a video on winter performance based on your personal experience but I would love to see your thoughts. Really enjoy your content btw, you speak calmly and explain things well, thank you 😊**I’d like to add a quick tip for anyone needing an extension cord for their LEVEL 1 charger. We have found an extension cord on amazon by the brand Iron Forge. It’s 10 Gauge and 10 feet! The thickness of the cord is exactly the same as the Tesla cord. It’s 65$ CDN but well worth it for peace of mind. It never heats up it’s super durable and heavy, and the reviews are outstanding. Many people mention they use it for their EV’s. Hope this helps as it took a while to find this extension cord. As an FYI the shorter the extension cord the better for safety and charging capability.
Thanks for watching and commenting! The battery’s range is very noticeably depleted in the winter. Driving itself has been fine though, especially if you have AWD.
You have a great neighbor. That's a loyal friend. $300 to install an ev charger hardwired is a great deal. It's about $1.5 to $2 grand install depending on piping to panel, wiring length, inspection, and labor hours
I installed 3 at each of my houses. It’s not terribly hard to do. It’s $100 for the receptacle, $80 for the GFCI breaker, and then $2-3 a foot for wire. I’ve heard of guys paying $800-1200 to have it done by a licensed electrician. I don’t know if I’d own an EV if I had to rely on superchargers for everyday use.
Doesn't the EVSE implement GFCI protection? Is the GFCI circuit breaker required regardless of the EVSE unit being used ?
Possibly if it's not hard wired, and being unplugged and plugged in for daily use.
@ I put a GFCI breaker on my 3 installs. I’m having trouble with one of them, so I’ll probably switch it to a regular breaker. The EVSE has a built in GFCI protection, which protects everything from outlet to the car. A GFCI breaker would protect all your wiring and the outlet itself.
For whatever reason the new code requires GFCI breakers on EV chargers, even if they’re inside your garage. It’s overkill, imo. The Tesla mobile charger sends a small bit of voltage through the ground wire to make sure it’s properly grounded when charging first starts. I think that’s what’s tripping my GFCI breaker. It’s an older home that didn’t isolate the neutrals and grounds, so that bit of voltage is probably leaking over to the ground.
nuisance GFCI tripping on an EVSE would've been annoying if you didn't find out until the next morning that the battery hasn't been charging; don't think the belt and suspenders approach is needed in that case -
@@dubmob151 Yeah, its definitely overkill. The house where this is a problem doesn't have the neutrals and grounds isolated. I think this is the problem. At the other two houses, there's no problems. Luckily, if its going to trip, it'll trip immediately.
Could you refer your friend to do a 220V installation in Pembroke? They want to charge me 1100 $ even if the panel is in the garage
Unfortunately not. He did it 4 years ago and has since moved away
@@griffinsgarage96 Thank you anyway. All the best with the Tesla.
Got mine done a few weeks ago for $950. I can send you picture- let me know if you still need electrician
@JuiceCommaCherry seems reasonable. Please send the info. I am not sure how as youtube seems to block emails. Thank you.
@@clevbo5527 my apologies! I went to your profile and see you’re in Pembroke Canada, I was thinking Pembroke in Florida/USA. So sorry
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You want it to last forever charge from 20% to 70% only charge at home supercharging is not great for your car
Your battery will last forever
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what percentage of forever will it last if supercharging is used?
So nice...honest and clear advice. thanks a lot Griffin.😇
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I am only using about 20% of my battery daily. I charge at home with a level 1 charger which gives me 15% every night. So I keep using that until my battery goes down tk ~30-40% then I supercharge to 80%. Does it damage my battery?
If you're supercharging a couple times per month you're fine. But I'd highly consider investing in a wall charger if I were you. Thanks for watching and please consider subscribing!
1)All EV batteries by law need to have a warranty for 10 years
2)Most people buy a new car earlier than every 10 years
3) 20k for a battery is like buying a new car anyway
4) a new Tesla costs more than 20k
5)when you change the battery it is just as good as getting a new car anyway
Where are you that there is a warranty law?
@Whimsy4fall the USA. I believe the minimum warranty by law (i believe set by an EPA rule) is that it must retain 70% battery life for 8 years (not 10, i realized. I did, in fact, make a mistake in years).
My cybertuck does 1% a hr on the regular 120 v
Yea not great...
Wow
I got the 240v installed its a whole new b ball game lol
The batteries do not charge the same that's just not true. One can handle being fully charged to 100% without damage (lfp) if it's not a fast rate of charge where all other Tesla battery packs shouldn't go over 80%
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Lfp is perfect for me
Do you have one?
@@griffinsgarage96 yes I’ve had the highland model 3 rwd around 6 months now
Correction. The battery isn’t the beating heart of the car. It’s the stomach. The MCU is the beating heart.
Wouldn’t the MCU be the brain?
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Answer comes at time 10:00.
Thanks for the tips! By the way, nice home, and wondering if that is one of those new style modular homes?
It was an airbnb I went to. But no not modular.
Tesla has come out and said that supercharging all the time will not hurt the battery.
@@ictpilot as long as it's within warranty. Extended interval oil changes are similarly fine within the warranty period as they'll survive until the coverage expires, which is the manufacturer concern, not really maximizing lifespan.
@dubmob151 They've never put a restriction on it they just said that supercharging all the time will not harm the battery.
Idk why I find it crazy every time I find out the UA-camr im watching is also in Ottawa 😂
Yea seriously. It's a small place with very few creators
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I had to pay $3700 to upgrade my panel, run conduit from my building to the garage and install outlet.
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Where are you located? In Chicago ComEd reimburses up to 3500 for that
that's awfully nice of them- wonder if they're the only utility that does that-
I get what everybody saying, but my Tesla suggest 90% so why is mine different!?
Wait, you’re only charging to 100% twice a month? Tesla recommends charging to 100% once a week to ensure your BMS knows your battery’s max voltage.
Yea. Lithium batteries should never be charged to 100% regularly in EVs. Twice a month is ample.
@@griffinsgarage96 And just what do you think is 100 percent state of charge in a Lithium battery? Which type of lithium battery? You need to learn the difference between opinion and science.
This video was useless. No mention of socket connection for either of the chargers
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Your $300 install, will cost the average person $1500-$2500! Electrician’s are scamming customers on these installs. I refuse to pay this rate, I use the mobile device with a 240v dryer plug, and set the car to 20A limit, well below the max.
$1,500 is insane for that
@ Agreed! I’d prefer to have the Tesla system installed, but… Thanks for the video!
I heard that tesla did an apple and samsung. Stopped including a charger with the product. And charge you for that same product instead I now click off now
It doesn’t come with the mobile charger anymore, that’s correct
Dude never drops a penny in his life.
What?
Funny to have diff youtubers talking the same topic last 6-7 yrs. Same script they all using😂
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keeping battery between 30 and 80% means you are not getting the full use of your car's range. advertised to get 300+ miles if you run it from 100% to )%, yet tells you keep it in the 30 to 80% range or you can/will degrade your battery. Seems like an excellent access NOT to buy one.
Well you absolutely can, but it’s better to keep it in a tighter SoC range
Only for driving around town, for long distance trips you can charge to 100%
LFP owner here... don't care and charge to 100% 😂😂
I mean sometimes you just gotta say what ever right?
@@griffinsgarage96 in your case, yes :)
@@EsenbekAliev_ Not at all what I meant, but sure.
Wow! Had to watch that on x2 speed. Good info you just speak really slow.
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Never avoid Supercharging, Supercharging is fine for your car, for non LFP batteries follow 80%-20% rule
Different research studies and difficult to pinpoint exact results due to so many variables. If possible to use Level 2 as much as possible though, it wouldn't hurt. Thanks for watching!
Have you ever seen cells imbalance during supercharging? You’ll be very surprised.
After so many videos talking about this, just another video that talks about how good is to charge at home (1+1=2)😂
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There is 8 year warranty
Charge to a 50% SOC at 240V/32Amps. If a trip is forthcoming 80%. Minimal Degradation.
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50% is optimal for long term storage. Not for daily use. For daily use, cycle the battery around 50%, staying in the 20-80% range. Charging at 95% instead of 100% already doubles the battery life. Charging at 80% multiplies by 6 the battery cycle potential while not discharging lower than 20%, 10% worse case on long legs but not on daily use. 20-30% is better like said here. And never keep a battery above 80% nor under 20% for a long period of time.
Dude you said Nothing of worth in this video.
downvote for wasting time and bs clickbait topic
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first your young so your info level isnt there,,,,,,,, do some research into battery longevity... they say 5% over a 10 year run,.... so tell me youngster who thinks he is helping the world......... have you been using this car for 10 years an seen a change,,,,, your theory is only speculation...
I’ve had a Tesla for 5 years now. So yes, I’ve seen this first hand. Also I’m 28 😅
Completely unnecessary and fear mongering video.
Just do what it says in the car...it's a Tesla.
I’m a battery engineer, none of what you’re saying is correct. Please do not listen to this guy.
What exactly isn’t correct so that we can learn from a battery engineer… you’re saying there aren’t different types of charging levels?
What are the best charging practices?