I think he was saying that because of that beverage, he wasn’t thirsty. Also, the glass he’s holding isn’t mentioned at all in dialogue. It’s quite possible that it’s presence in Marc Alamo/Gul Dukat’s hand, was a directorial decision by Avery Brooks who directed this episode.
This is actually quite a subtle piece of writing. Weyoun recognizes the building tension between Sisko and Dukat, and he knows it won't end well because neither will back down, and that is going to mess up the Dominion's plans. He interrupts and drinks the poison in order to distract them from their anger and give them a chance to think better of it. Highly diplomatic move on Weyoun's part, which is exactly what he's for.
Fun fact; that was actually improvised by Weyouns actor. Jeffrey Combs wasn't supposed to drink that stuff. So Dukat and Sisko's actors reactions were real.
"Vorta are immune to most forms of poison, comes in handy when you work as a diplomat." Imagine the awkwardness of his next line if it was, "But not this one." And falls off his chair, dead.
i tell you ..... DS9 hit grand slams with damn near every character on the show. Marc Alaimo was definitely one. he was outstanding for the WHOLE series.
@@dhinton1 Oh yeah, with him, Louise "Kai Winn" Fletcher, and Jeffrey "Weyoun" Combs, the villain side was a constant treat. Every single time Kai Winn opened her mouth, I swear it was with this venomous double meaning sarcasm. So much so you just wanted to punch her.
I've read that Weyoun wasn't supposed to drink the poison, that was just Jeffrey Coombs improvising and Marc Alaimo's genuine (shocked) reaction. The take was so good it stayed in.
I like to imagine if Garak was here, he would have had even more fun than Weyoun at Dukat's expense! "You used enough poison to kill 12, for 1 sickly man? If you'd used a much smaller dose, it might have actually gone undetected! What's the matter Dukat, are your intelligence operations bit lacking without the Obsidian Order? Perhaps they could use a good tailor!"
Garak would have insinuated that in a small story about why the proper fit is important and the dangers of an improper fit , but that line line would be 100%
I think it's funny that later, we find out Vorta don't have much of a sense of taste, so the fact that he reacted that way tells us exactly how poisonous it really was.
They don't have aesthetic appreciation, but they can probably judge what the flavours are. The same way Weyoun could tell you if a piece of art was blue, but not whether that made it good or not.
@@manjackson2772 It's also funny because in the episode where a Weyoun defects, he eats almost everything in the replicator menu on the runabout with Odo, and comments about the textures. It does seem that they have excellent senses of hearing and feel, which makes a lot of sense. Vorta probably do enjoy certain things a lot. The way they dress also indicates that while they don't quite get aesthetics, they probably feel comfortable in a certain type of clothing. They probably wouldn't be able to even wear anything like armor or what the Klingons or Cardasians wear because perhaps their sense of touch would make them unable to focus. I'd actually like to see a more compreshensive look at the Vorta's senses.
Weyoun's little smile as he shows Sisko that he won at Dabo gets me every time. He's like a puppy in this episode, compared to the hellhound he becomes later on.
Weyoun probably likes poison since for him that is probably the only thing that he can taste since the founders removed the Vorta's sense of taste. The founders probably thought giving Vorta the ability to taste poison to be useful so they left it untouched or genetically programmed them for it.
How can you not love (and laugh) at Jeffrey Combs as the Vorta diplomat!! When he said, "Oh my that IS quite toxic isn't it?" I crack up everytime. My wife asked (as did many here) what would have happened if it was a poison the Vorta are not immune to? Well the answer is simple, he would not have drank it. Don't forget that at the beginning of this exchange Sisko tells Dukat what type of poison is in the drink. As a result Weyoun knows what it is, therefore he knows it's one of the poisons he is immune to.
I love this clip! I can't get enough of Weyoun's ecstatic laugh when he wins Dabo, his childish revelling in the tensions between Sisko and Dukat, and the face he pulls after skulling the Kanar. He's just having a party! Such a cutie - hard to believe he could do such diabolical things later on.
"You've fallen subject to one of the two classic blunders! The first being, never get involved in a war with the Dominion. But the second and only slightly less well-known is this, never go in against a Vorta when death is on the line!" *laughs and then collapses*
I love how little Weyoun seems to like his position here. Even as a agent of the evil, genocidal, world conquering and enslaving through means the worst of the worst in Star Trek would consider distasteful Dominion......he seems to find this entire thing pathetic and silly. Kids had their little tussle now Uncle Weyoun has to clean up the mess before The Founders find out and we ALL get in trouble. Come along now, Dukat, or there's no dessert!
That was actually an improv line made up by Dukat's actor. Because the Weyoun actor wasn't supposed to drink that stuff. So when he decided to guzzle the drink down (I think it was soda the actor didn't like so his response is genuine), Dukat's actor said what he thought Dukat would actually say if that had been poison for real.
It's because he has no sense of taste or aesthetics. Meaning he physically cannot enjoy just about anything. Food, dance, movies, drinks, art, literature...everything that could be "culture" related is out. But Games and Puzzles are 100% in.
Weyoon here is so silly, such a drama queen... I love it!! His popped eyes at 2:08 ! He's like middle schooler entranced by the two arguing, and cannot WAIT to get on social media to gossip about every detail.
I've watched this episode and scene a hundred times. I only now noticed he does a thing with his tongue that makes you think the real liquid tasted awful.
@@tbeller80 apparently the real life stuff was just colored and slightly watered down Karo Syrup, which is High Fructose Corn Syrup used for cooking, and it tastes vile. That reaction was 100% genuine for someone drinking saccharine sludge
One thing about this scene. What happens if Dukat didn't realize that the bottle was the poisoned one? You have a high ranking star feet officer poisoning the Cardassian leader when he is there under the guise of diplomacy. Best case scenario, DS9 is without Sisko and someone who doesn't have an understanding of the various facets of his job comes in and likely ruins everything. Worst case, the Dominion and Cardassia use it as an excuse to lay waste to DS9, Bajor, and any Federation friendly people that cross their path.
Love how a good 70% of Weyoun's role in these scenes is pretty much the same as Orlando Bloom in lotr ie, hover in the background, look pretty and React to things
Unrelated to the whole poison thing, but I love the detail that Weyoun loves games. It seems like the one joyful thing the Founders failed to remove from the Vorta when they eradicated taste, aesthetics, and most everything enjoyable from their range of experience
If I had a nickel for every time someone from the Gamma Quadrant was really into games, I'd have two nickels! Which isn't a lot, but still weird that it happened twice, right?
Well, Weyoun; that *is* a tremendous genetic blessing if you're immune to poisons to speak of; and you *did* verify that something was funky with that bottle of Kanar going on there.
Dukat saying he's not thirsty while holding a drink. Even if he tried to cover his ass with that explanation, Sisko already found his answer. But it also demonstrates rather well the Cardassian train of thought: Lie, Lie, Lie. And if your opponent suspects the truth, make sure to give a convincing explanation to make your lie believable. To paraphrase another Star Trek character portrayed by Jeffrey Coombs (and my favorite one that he's portrayed): "You Cardassians are so used to lying that you don't even tell the truth to each other!" That sums up the Cardassian Union and the Cardassians perfectly. Even later, during the Dominion's occupation of Cardassia, even when Weyoun 8 made it clear that he was dead, the people fervently believed that Damar was alive and well, showcasing that they're so used to lies from officials that they'll believe the opposite, even if what was originally stated is the truth
Dukat may well be getting at the detail that he developed a type of alcoholism, especially when he doesn't have anything else in his stomach when he drinks it; it may well have *strange results* on his physiology.
He may be also hinting that he’s simply tried it before like that, and it screwed him up. Damar, on the other hand, regularly drank that shit for breakfast. I wonder how his digestion was.
@@Smeginator True, and the hinted-at correlations between the Cardassian state and the USSR of just a few years prior to that show being developed *does* open some doors to understanding just the kind of characters these are. Come to think of it: if you watch, as you should "Tretchery, Faith, and the Great River", there're some *truly* interesting theological belief systems being discussed in High Command; one debate between Weyoun and Damar really is an interesting one. And lets not forget the whole leap of the end of the show when they decided to make Dukat a sorcerer- from him basically being a Marxist atheist to a sorcerer: that leap does not follow- but it *is* interesting. Course, if Weyoun had *any* idea of the personality of this new "boss" of their alliance, he'd *really* freak out; basically Kosst Amojan is a pseudonym (presumably) for Lucifer; and that really *ought* to scare you when you figure just *what* had taken full command of their alliance!
This seen always cracks me up. 😂 Weyoun is like a giddy little school boy but with a dark and menacing side looming in the back while Dukat and Cisco bash heads as usual. It would have been more hilarious with Garak in the background talking crap to Dukat too.
and Dukat .... clearly you don't know that Benjamin doesn't make social calls, neither ... otherwise you would have known your gig was up when he dropped by at the dabo table 😂😂😂
Did you know that Weyoun drinking that kanar was improved? Jeffrey Combs wasn't supposed to drink the liquid (corn starch syrup), but he did it anyways to break the tension of the scene. So everyone's reactions were real.
Weyoun never should have given away that bit of information. Now Cardassians know not to rid of vorta by poison or the attempt will fail and they are liikely to figureout their cardassian allies are trying to kill them.
Kira was NOT an undercover Obsidian Order agent disguised as a Bajoran. 'Twas the other way around: "Ghemor" was a big ol' undercover BAJORAN disguised as a Cardassian to spy for the resistance!
Though, the fact of Weyoun basically being a thoroughly pagan man *and* celibate at that: that's only regarding his species' fine-tuning by their "owners"; his state is kind of a case-in-point of the most *perverted* kind of a theocracy imaginable. Yet of all his "gods", Odo has the finest grasp of the psychology of such a being- he is *NOT* a god, not by a long-shot, but he does have a load of a lot keener grasp of the mindset of a deity than any other member of his species! And that's to Odo's credit that he has that kind of servant leadership mentality!
Dukat, for all of his character flaws: and boy did he have some: as a married man he was hitting on other women; including one who was, for all wickedly evil practical purposes: his own *stepdaughter*: Kira; he does grasp what marks a great man: character strength: integrity and internal strength. Would that more young men would learn those lessons of human conduct- especially today! I have suspected almost all throughout my adult years, and teen years; that if men actually *act* like men, instead of beasts; then an awful lot of the problems of society will categorically vaporize right off the bat and blow away in the breeze as a bad smelling gas as it were!
I do like this scene's beginning; with Weyoun gaming- that's a fun touch. Though, judging from his species being all clones: he'd be basically prone in terms of personality to being a celibate man- and that's to his credit actually; a trait that an awful *LOT* of guys would benefit from today! Same with Odo's adopted Jem'Hadar stepson at that: those traits are most desirable for guys- especially today, folks! Seeing as both species are basically sterile by nature, they'd only percieve the mating act and/or rituals to be a mere scientific curiosity: a study of their neighbors' physiology, nothing more- for them: it all about service, ironcially therefore they are *extremely close*, ideologically-speaking, to baseline Cardassians: both have a strong masculine tendency to revere service to their neighbors. Here I reference Cardassian classical literature, and especially the whole question of "who/what is the state to begin with *outside* of my neighbors in the "mass" thereof?" kind of assessment.
I love the fact Weyoun is cringing the whole time he drinks it. If the bottle tasted odd or poisonous, I don’t feel like anyone as paranoid as the cardassian head of state would actually drink it. I think Weyoun’s initial cringing was just from the kanar itself, which has a reputation of being unpleasant to most non-cardassians.
Did you know that Jeffrey Combs (Weyoun actor) wasn't supposed to drink that? That's his actual reaction to the stuff he drank (I think it was corn starch syrup). I don't blame him because who would drink that stuff in its raw state?
Bizarrely, DS9 did a very high-quality argument for religion, even badly understood; with how the Cardassians, essentially state-worshipping atheists akin to the USSR set in the future, really were sort of spinning out of control; Dukat himself was rebuked, resoundingly, for being a married man and hitting on his female coworkers and tennants, ironically by one of their "state-religion priests/commissaars" by the name of Garak in one chat. Weyoun for his own case is by far the more stable of the two men; even with his own misbegotten religious foundation; and that ironically seems to confirm by logic the farewell address from the Presidency of these United States by a certain Mr. Washington, George, where he stressed not to long expect public morality in the abscence of religion. So that whole question was already going on back then in our Republic of how far to go in getting rid of monarchs and their influence in this republic. Especially as a certain President Washington was speaking out for restraint in that field, rather repeatedly it seems. Weyoun does not seem to be the sort to fall victim to alcoholism, nor for lust; but appears totally devoted to his work- and that's to his credit in terms of manliness!
as fun as this scene is, it makes absolutely no sense for him to reveal that he is immune to most forms of poison. since he apparently has the ability to register if something is "quite toxic" it would serve the dominion better to know when someone is trying to poison their diplomats over telling them "it's not possible"
one thing about this scene bugged me and i checked and i realized why. in the root beer scene the drink is a nice shade of pink while this scene its black. how much poison did he use to get it to be black instead of pink?
They never settled on a uniform colour for kanar - sometimes it was almost black, sometimes it was green and sometimes it was orange. Probably best to think of them as different types of the same drink.
Gotta love the gall of Gul Dukat. Saying he isn't thirsty while holding a drink.
Right 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I think he was saying that because of that beverage, he wasn’t thirsty. Also, the glass he’s holding isn’t mentioned at all in dialogue. It’s quite possible that it’s presence in Marc Alamo/Gul Dukat’s hand, was a directorial decision by Avery Brooks who directed this episode.
Gall Dukat
^ I see what you did there
He knows perfectly well Sisko wouldn't have a bottle of Kanar saved.
This is actually quite a subtle piece of writing. Weyoun recognizes the building tension between Sisko and Dukat, and he knows it won't end well because neither will back down, and that is going to mess up the Dominion's plans. He interrupts and drinks the poison in order to distract them from their anger and give them a chance to think better of it. Highly diplomatic move on Weyoun's part, which is exactly what he's for.
You can also see it in his expression when he and Dukat visit Sisko in his office.
Fun fact; that was actually improvised by Weyouns actor. Jeffrey Combs wasn't supposed to drink that stuff. So Dukat and Sisko's actors reactions were real.
"Vorta are immune to most forms of poison, comes in handy when you work as a diplomat." Imagine the awkwardness of his next line if it was, "But not this one." And falls off his chair, dead.
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That would have been the most Ad-Libbed scene ever.
We know what Gul Dukat's response would be...
"Overconfidence... the hallmark of the weyouns."
He didn't realize there was iocane powder in the drink as well.
I would die for Weyoun, but that would have been hilarious.
"Are you insane?"
God, I love Dukat's delivery of this line. It cracks me up every time.
i tell you ..... DS9 hit grand slams with damn near every character on the show. Marc Alaimo was definitely one. he was outstanding for the WHOLE series.
@@dhinton1 Oh yeah, with him, Louise "Kai Winn" Fletcher, and Jeffrey "Weyoun" Combs, the villain side was a constant treat. Every single time Kai Winn opened her mouth, I swear it was with this venomous double meaning sarcasm. So much so you just wanted to punch her.
@@NickPiers yeah .... she made Kai Winn truly worth hating. lol
It was ad-libbed, I heard. Jeffrey combs wasn’t supposed to drink it.
I've read that Weyoun wasn't supposed to drink the poison, that was just Jeffrey Coombs improvising and Marc Alaimo's genuine (shocked) reaction. The take was so good it stayed in.
Dukat's little "Wh-?!" as Weyoun drinks gets me every time.
I mean, it’s the equivalent of watching someone down a full glass of cyanide without batting an eye.
Weyoun drinks the poisoned kanar.
Weyoun: Oh my. That is quite toxic. Isn't it?
It even breaks Sisko's death-stare as he transitions into a look of "what the-...."
that was unscripted
@@Nemephosis that was filmed seperately
I like to imagine if Garak was here, he would have had even more fun than Weyoun at Dukat's expense!
"You used enough poison to kill 12, for 1 sickly man? If you'd used a much smaller dose, it might have actually gone undetected! What's the matter Dukat, are your intelligence operations bit lacking without the Obsidian Order? Perhaps they could use a good tailor!"
And Weyoun would have sidled up to Garak, all friendly-like, and casually discussed re-instating him in high office, while Dukat sat there glowering.
Garak would have insinuated that in a small story about why the proper fit is important and the dangers of an improper fit , but that line line would be 100%
It's perfect, I read it in Garaks voice and tone.
@@edwarddeguzman3258 well now I wish Garak and Weyoun had done some verbal sparring
@@TheOneZytel Same, incl. that 3/4 of a second pause he always gives before the last word - "Pethaps they could use.. a good... tailor?" 😁😁😁
I forgot how adorable Weyoun 5 was. I love this.
@@kayseek1248 I don’t think we ever see 3. I always thought the first Weyoun that was killed by the Jem Hadar was Weyoun 4
He always made me unease, creeped out and had that vibe that he could jump on me and rip off my head.
I think it's funny that later, we find out Vorta don't have much of a sense of taste, so the fact that he reacted that way tells us exactly how poisonous it really was.
They don't have aesthetic appreciation, but they can probably judge what the flavours are. The same way Weyoun could tell you if a piece of art was blue, but not whether that made it good or not.
@@manjackson2772 It's also funny because in the episode where a Weyoun defects, he eats almost everything in the replicator menu on the runabout with Odo, and comments about the textures. It does seem that they have excellent senses of hearing and feel, which makes a lot of sense. Vorta probably do enjoy certain things a lot. The way they dress also indicates that while they don't quite get aesthetics, they probably feel comfortable in a certain type of clothing.
They probably wouldn't be able to even wear anything like armor or what the Klingons or Cardasians wear because perhaps their sense of touch would make them unable to focus. I'd actually like to see a more compreshensive look at the Vorta's senses.
Weyoun was looking at the Sisko/Dukat exchange like ...... this is fascinating.
David Hinton you figure the original was a blast at parties-he sees things turn awkward so he’s like “watch me drink this poison!”
He totally had Data's "could you please continue your petty bickering - it's quite fascinating" energy
Weyoun's little smile as he shows Sisko that he won at Dabo gets me every time. He's like a puppy in this episode, compared to the hellhound he becomes later on.
The Founders probably don't let him have any fun. For him its a rare chance to cut loose
"Vorta are immune to most forms of poison"
"MOST" leaves a hell of a lot of room for error in my opinion.
It's always the 0.001% who get it.
Yeah but then they can just send out another clone so no biggie.
Are they immune to Iocaine Powder?
Also I only noticed Sisko nearly shitting himself when Weyoun drank it this time around.
@@MasterofSpiders yeah apparently Jeffrey Combs improvised drinking it, and it did genuinely taste terrible
Overconfidence, the hallmark of the Weyouns.
Maybe the founders should eliminate that from his genetic recipe next time!
Weyoun probably likes poison since for him that is probably the only thing that he can taste since the founders removed the Vorta's sense of taste. The founders probably thought giving Vorta the ability to taste poison to be useful so they left it untouched or genetically programmed them for it.
I hadn't thought of that. That makes total sense.
How can you not love (and laugh) at Jeffrey Combs as the Vorta diplomat!! When he said, "Oh my that IS quite toxic isn't it?" I crack up everytime. My wife asked (as did many here) what would have happened if it was a poison the Vorta are not immune to? Well the answer is simple, he would not have drank it. Don't forget that at the beginning of this exchange Sisko tells Dukat what type of poison is in the drink. As a result Weyoun knows what it is, therefore he knows it's one of the poisons he is immune to.
3 incredibly talented actors. Would love to get to see them together on screen again!
I love this clip! I can't get enough of Weyoun's ecstatic laugh when he wins Dabo, his childish revelling in the tensions between Sisko and Dukat, and the face he pulls after skulling the Kanar. He's just having a party! Such a cutie - hard to believe he could do such diabolical things later on.
He also became much colder and less joyful. I think the stress of running a full on galactic war took its toll on him 🤣
A good diplomat have fit well into many social situations. Weyoun's primary duties act as mediator for Founders
"Vorta are immune to most forms of poison-"
*Falls into ground*
"But not this one.."
"You've fallen subject to one of the two classic blunders! The first being, never get involved in a war with the Dominion. But the second and only slightly less well-known is this, never go in against a Vorta when death is on the line!" *laughs and then collapses*
Weyouns facial expressions were worth all the latinum in the alpha quadrant
Trek fans are so lucky to have had Jeffrey Combs
"Are you insane?!"
"No, I'm Weyoun"
"As you say, a small problem." God I love that Weyoun line.
I love how little Weyoun seems to like his position here. Even as a agent of the evil, genocidal, world conquering and enslaving through means the worst of the worst in Star Trek would consider distasteful Dominion......he seems to find this entire thing pathetic and silly.
Kids had their little tussle now Uncle Weyoun has to clean up the mess before The Founders find out and we ALL get in trouble. Come along now, Dukat, or there's no dessert!
Weyoun liking games makes sense given that they typically require use of strategy, a useful skill for a Dominion administrator, diplomat, and advisor.
The way Weyouns eyes keep darting around to Dukat and Sisko during their heated exchange was hilarious. Even Vorta enjoy drama
So, apparently Vorta aren’t gluttonous, alcoholic, sex maniacs, but they love to gamble.
I love the expressions on Weyoun's face
He thoroughly enjoys the interaction between Sisko and Dukat. It's a nice break from kissing Founders asses.
His acting in this is positively hilarious! I cracked up at the side eye he gave the drink Sisko poured.
If Dukat has to ask: "are you INSANE?!?" you KNOW for an ABSOLUTE FACT that the action actually IS insane haha
Just my own personal opinion anyway
That was actually an improv line made up by Dukat's actor. Because the Weyoun actor wasn't supposed to drink that stuff. So when he decided to guzzle the drink down (I think it was soda the actor didn't like so his response is genuine), Dukat's actor said what he thought Dukat would actually say if that had been poison for real.
@@TimberlakeTigerGirl It must've been root beer. It's vile!
Weyoun getting excited about playing dabo is hilarious. He's so giddy about it ^.^
Well they cant fuck, immune to taste, so they love games
It's because he has no sense of taste or aesthetics. Meaning he physically cannot enjoy just about anything. Food, dance, movies, drinks, art, literature...everything that could be "culture" related is out.
But Games and Puzzles are 100% in.
1:40 "oh, my.. that is quite toxic isn't it?" 😄
Gul Dukat: Are you insane?
Oh my god. They killed T'Kenny. You bastards!
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Weyoon here is so silly, such a drama queen... I love it!! His popped eyes at 2:08 ! He's like middle schooler entranced by the two arguing, and cannot WAIT to get on social media to gossip about every detail.
"Vorta are immune to most forms of poison!"
"My cobalt samples are not food!"
If you're the captain of a space station you're not just gonna leave a bottle of poison sitting at a bar.
1:39 - The way Weyoun twitches and says “Oh, my!” always makes me laugh LOL.
Weyoun's expression and pose at 0:12 remind me of a surprised red panda
Weyoun's face while drinking the poisoned drink is hilarious for some reason.
I've watched this episode and scene a hundred times. I only now noticed he does a thing with his tongue that makes you think the real liquid tasted awful.
@@tbeller80 apparently the real life stuff was just colored and slightly watered down Karo Syrup, which is High Fructose Corn Syrup used for cooking, and it tastes vile. That reaction was 100% genuine for someone drinking saccharine sludge
One thing about this scene. What happens if Dukat didn't realize that the bottle was the poisoned one? You have a high ranking star feet officer poisoning the Cardassian leader when he is there under the guise of diplomacy. Best case scenario, DS9 is without Sisko and someone who doesn't have an understanding of the various facets of his job comes in and likely ruins everything. Worst case, the Dominion and Cardassia use it as an excuse to lay waste to DS9, Bajor, and any Federation friendly people that cross their path.
I think Sisko would have stopped him before he drank it - Dukat didn't have enough Guile to even entertain calling Sisko's bluff.
Imagine if that was one of the poisons Vorta weren’t immune to
Then he would be cloned and back on the job next week.
He would have been prepared for anything the Cardassians would have...
that face at 2.06 and the quick snap look at Dukat, wonderful
Aw, look at how cute and insane Weyoun is.
All that drink will do to Weyoun is to give him a bad stomach-ache I bet; but I *do* love Dukat's remark about Weyoun being nuts to drink that!
And Kira buried him next to the grave of her Bajoran father.
There's so much good writing in DS9 that it goes beyond most times.
Sisko: "I realize I haven't been much of a host."
Said while holding a bottle of poisoned kanar.
Love how a good 70% of Weyoun's role in these scenes is pretty much the same as Orlando Bloom in lotr ie, hover in the background, look pretty and React to things
Three of Trek's greatest actors at the same table. Good stuff.
Specially if you work for the cardassians
"...Isn't that hot?"
"Extremely."
Love that Stargate reference.
Dukat ....... you haven't learned yet that you can't bluff Benjamin Lafayette Sisko. either do something or shut it, cuz he owns you 🤣🤣🤣
I love how Weyoun’s neck bulges out momentarily as he drinks the poisoned drink.
Weyoun 5 was my favorite of all time!
Unrelated to the whole poison thing, but I love the detail that Weyoun loves games. It seems like the one joyful thing the Founders failed to remove from the Vorta when they eradicated taste, aesthetics, and most everything enjoyable from their range of experience
If I had a nickel for every time someone from the Gamma Quadrant was really into games, I'd have two nickels! Which isn't a lot, but still weird that it happened twice, right?
God I love Jeffrey Combs acting.
One of the most underrated shows ever.
Kira is immune to such tomfoolery.
Well, Weyoun; that *is* a tremendous genetic blessing if you're immune to poisons to speak of; and you *did* verify that something was funky with that bottle of Kanar going on there.
If I ever start streaming again I need to set up that Weyoun line as a sound alert
And the Dukat line right after too
Dukat saying he's not thirsty while holding a drink. Even if he tried to cover his ass with that explanation, Sisko already found his answer. But it also demonstrates rather well the Cardassian train of thought: Lie, Lie, Lie. And if your opponent suspects the truth, make sure to give a convincing explanation to make your lie believable.
To paraphrase another Star Trek character portrayed by Jeffrey Coombs (and my favorite one that he's portrayed):
"You Cardassians are so used to lying that you don't even tell the truth to each other!"
That sums up the Cardassian Union and the Cardassians perfectly. Even later, during the Dominion's occupation of Cardassia, even when Weyoun 8 made it clear that he was dead, the people fervently believed that Damar was alive and well, showcasing that they're so used to lies from officials that they'll believe the opposite, even if what was originally stated is the truth
Jeffrey Combs is just the greatest
The way Weyoun says "I like games!" doesn't sound like he's answering Dukat, he's just really excited about playing games.
Dukat may well be getting at the detail that he developed a type of alcoholism, especially when he doesn't have anything else in his stomach when he drinks it; it may well have *strange results* on his physiology.
He may be also hinting that he’s simply tried it before like that, and it screwed him up.
Damar, on the other hand, regularly drank that shit for breakfast.
I wonder how his digestion was.
@@Smeginator True, and the hinted-at correlations between the Cardassian state and the USSR of just a few years prior to that show being developed *does* open some doors to understanding just the kind of characters these are.
Come to think of it: if you watch, as you should "Tretchery, Faith, and the Great River", there're some *truly* interesting theological belief systems being discussed in High Command; one debate between Weyoun and Damar really is an interesting one.
And lets not forget the whole leap of the end of the show when they decided to make Dukat a sorcerer- from him basically being a Marxist atheist to a sorcerer: that leap does not follow- but it *is* interesting.
Course, if Weyoun had *any* idea of the personality of this new "boss" of their alliance, he'd *really* freak out; basically Kosst Amojan is a pseudonym (presumably) for Lucifer; and that really *ought* to scare you when you figure just *what* had taken full command of their alliance!
It was almost like Weyoun wanted to drink the rest of the poisoned bottle after The Sisko left their table lol 😅🤷🏾♂️☠️
This seen always cracks me up. 😂 Weyoun is like a giddy little school boy but with a dark and menacing side looming in the back while Dukat and Cisco bash heads as usual. It would have been more hilarious with Garak in the background talking crap to Dukat too.
It was this scene that made me like the Vorta, or at least Weyoun.
You can keep the kanar, Dukat.
Weyoun: YIPPIE!!!!
and Dukat .... clearly you don't know that Benjamin doesn't make social calls, neither ... otherwise you would have known your gig was up when he dropped by at the dabo table 😂😂😂
one of the scenes of all media of all time
Weyoun at the dabo table is peak Star Trek
You know you’ve gotta be truly wacky when Dukat calls you insane.
Did you know that Weyoun drinking that kanar was improved? Jeffrey Combs wasn't supposed to drink the liquid (corn starch syrup), but he did it anyways to break the tension of the scene. So everyone's reactions were real.
@@TimberlakeTigerGirl that just makes it so much better lol
Am I wrong to want general shran,, weyoun and liquidator brunt all in the same room mincing words
don't forget the guy who ran the fighting pits in voy
Weyoun never should have given away that bit of information. Now Cardassians know not to rid of vorta by poison or the attempt will fail and they are liikely to figureout their cardassian allies are trying to kill them.
It's such a shame this was the highest Jeffrey Combs reached in his career.
There's a bottle of poison kanar and Garak's not around to slip that back into Dukat's private stash for the trip back to Cardassia?
Weyoun 5 better be careful or he'll wake up in The Frighteners
Must be very potent for Weyoun to have a reaction, considering Vorta have a very limited range of taste.
Look, I know he's a villain & an overall dick, but for those few seconds where he's playing Dabo, Weyoun is rather childlike & innocent.
Kira was NOT an undercover Obsidian Order agent disguised as a Bajoran. 'Twas the other way around: "Ghemor" was a big ol' undercover BAJORAN disguised as a Cardassian to spy for the resistance!
Tbf, he'd have the same reaction to discovering Twitter.
Inconceivable!
I sometimes wonder if Weyoun didn't just down the poison to relieve the obvious tension building between Sisko and Dukat.
I always get the feeling he just couldn't resist to prank them... and to flex a bit :)
Weyoun sounded Scottish when he said “I like games” at the start
1:39 If it hasn't already, I feel like this needs to be turned into a gif/clip/or image macro. It would fit sooo many situations on the internet
Though, the fact of Weyoun basically being a thoroughly pagan man *and* celibate at that: that's only regarding his species' fine-tuning by their "owners"; his state is kind of a case-in-point of the most *perverted* kind of a theocracy imaginable. Yet of all his "gods", Odo has the finest grasp of the psychology of such a being- he is *NOT* a god, not by a long-shot, but he does have a load of a lot keener grasp of the mindset of a deity than any other member of his species!
And that's to Odo's credit that he has that kind of servant leadership mentality!
Dukat, for all of his character flaws: and boy did he have some: as a married man he was hitting on other women; including one who was, for all wickedly evil practical purposes: his own *stepdaughter*: Kira; he does grasp what marks a great man: character strength: integrity and internal strength.
Would that more young men would learn those lessons of human conduct- especially today! I have suspected almost all throughout my adult years, and teen years; that if men actually *act* like men, instead of beasts; then an awful lot of the problems of society will categorically vaporize right off the bat and blow away in the breeze as a bad smelling gas as it were!
I do like this scene's beginning; with Weyoun gaming- that's a fun touch.
Though, judging from his species being all clones: he'd be basically prone in terms of personality to being a celibate man- and that's to his credit actually; a trait that an awful *LOT* of guys would benefit from today! Same with Odo's adopted Jem'Hadar stepson at that: those traits are most desirable for guys- especially today, folks!
Seeing as both species are basically sterile by nature, they'd only percieve the mating act and/or rituals to be a mere scientific curiosity: a study of their neighbors' physiology, nothing more- for them: it all about service, ironcially therefore they are *extremely close*, ideologically-speaking, to baseline Cardassians: both have a strong masculine tendency to revere service to their neighbors. Here I reference Cardassian classical literature, and especially the whole question of "who/what is the state to begin with *outside* of my neighbors in the "mass" thereof?" kind of assessment.
@1:35 The only time we ever see Weyoun EVER drink Kanar. Ironic, the kanar is poisoned and no one wants him to drink it either.
Oh my god, they killed Tekeny!
It would have been amazing if Weyon had dropped right there princess bride style.
Will you show the scene where Kira talks about Gemor's last breaths?
A heart wrenching scene
Not really not part of the Dominion story
Gul Dukat…a character that we love to hate
While Weyoun is a character that I hate to love
No no. Kai Winn wins in the character we love to hate department.
I love the fact Weyoun is cringing the whole time he drinks it. If the bottle tasted odd or poisonous, I don’t feel like anyone as paranoid as the cardassian head of state would actually drink it. I think Weyoun’s initial cringing was just from the kanar itself, which has a reputation of being unpleasant to most non-cardassians.
Did you know that Jeffrey Combs (Weyoun actor) wasn't supposed to drink that? That's his actual reaction to the stuff he drank (I think it was corn starch syrup).
I don't blame him because who would drink that stuff in its raw state?
2:08 So...can I have another glass please?
What does Dukat have to back up his little lie about Gamor’s change of heart?
A flimsy excuse, and no body.
Bizarrely, DS9 did a very high-quality argument for religion, even badly understood; with how the Cardassians, essentially state-worshipping atheists akin to the USSR set in the future, really were sort of spinning out of control; Dukat himself was rebuked, resoundingly, for being a married man and hitting on his female coworkers and tennants, ironically by one of their "state-religion priests/commissaars" by the name of Garak in one chat.
Weyoun for his own case is by far the more stable of the two men; even with his own misbegotten religious foundation; and that ironically seems to confirm by logic the farewell address from the Presidency of these United States by a certain Mr. Washington, George, where he stressed not to long expect public morality in the abscence of religion. So that whole question was already going on back then in our Republic of how far to go in getting rid of monarchs and their influence in this republic. Especially as a certain President Washington was speaking out for restraint in that field, rather repeatedly it seems.
Weyoun does not seem to be the sort to fall victim to alcoholism, nor for lust; but appears totally devoted to his work- and that's to his credit in terms of manliness!
I bet Weyoun has never had Four Loko
Weyoun 😂
Be careful captain...... What are you going to do? declare war on us?
A bottle of poisoned kanar seems a bit unsubtle for Dukat.
as fun as this scene is, it makes absolutely no sense for him to reveal that he is immune to most forms of poison.
since he apparently has the ability to register if something is "quite toxic" it would serve the dominion better to know when someone is trying to poison their diplomats over telling them "it's not possible"
Dukat could have made Benjamin work a lil to see thru his lie ......... Stevie Wonder could have seen that.
one thing about this scene bugged me and i checked and i realized why. in the root beer scene the drink is a nice shade of pink while this scene its black. how much poison did he use to get it to be black instead of pink?
Maybe Kanar comes in different shades and flavors? Kind of like how there is white wine and red wine?
They never settled on a uniform colour for kanar - sometimes it was almost black, sometimes it was green and sometimes it was orange. Probably best to think of them as different types of the same drink.
It's hard to not like Dukat.
Which Weyoun was that?
I believe he did say he was #5 earlier in this episode too.