@@maximillianx1395 It's almost like "freedom of speech" has always meant freedom from legal persecution for the things you say, and has no bearing on a corporation. Not to say that youtube shouldn't be allowing creators to say what they want, but "freedom of speech" is a complete non-sequitur.
It's infuriating that we've gotten to the point where you can't even say "hitler" in a history video without UA-cam's insanely hypersensitive censorbot freaking out.
Er, you're right that Oppenheimer wouldn't have "come back" to Germany with the bomb, because he was an American, born in NY. He was not one of the German scientists that fled "The Dictator".
He studied quantum physics in Germany and was very much a part of the central Central European physics scene working together with Schrödinger, Bohr, Meisner, Heisenberg etc. . Maybe he (the video creator) was hinting at that? But who knows.
(Press view more for edit before responding thanks) By the way, if anyone is wondering how people commented 5 hours before this was even uploaded, they most likely either A: Have a channel membership B: Have a patreon membership and watched when it was unlisted. This video has most likely actually been up for 6 hours, but only became public 12 minutes ago (as of commenting) letting patreon subs and youtube membership subs watch earlier then all us other freebies. Edit: I realized he doesnt have a patreon, i mixed Possible History up with another similar youtube channel. Then the solution is a channel membership, the button is there which means it exists. Or he has some secret cult somewhere that gets to watch the videos early. I dont know, im just a simple history lover like yourselfs, this was all speculation but a membership of some sorts is usually what is the cause of people viewing a video before its release. PH, if you are reading, maybe some insight? xD
@@davidhehir7378 Anyone with a patreon sub can share the link, unless he has it set to private where only certain accounts can watch it. But that doesnt let people with Membership watch it either, so im not sure. Either they were linked the video or they are patreon subbed but not on a "thank you" list
Oppenheimer wasn’t German, but was born in the US, and was a student in Germany prior to leaving. He simply came home. There were many other Jewish refugees who left however and that would make a better example.
I thought this was a very interesting scenario, if the Oster Conspiracy had gone ahead with the war for Czechoslovakia, and the overthrow of the entire Nazi regime and the restoration of the monarchy in Germany. The new government could effectively make peace with Great Britain and France, abandoning for the moment any idea of expansion across Europe and focusing only on rebuilding the country and its new position in Europe. Germany could reach some compromise with Poland regarding Danzig and its former territories in the East, form an alliance in Central and Eastern Europe against the Soviet Union. Effectively, Germany could create its Mitteleuropa and a slightly better position with the rest of the continent.
It's pretty much a return to their aims in World War I (although with Austria now part of the 4th(?) Reich). I do think it would be hard to come to any sort of compromise with Poland though - the Polish corridor cut East Prussia off from the rest of the country, so the new regime would see it as a part of the German heartland they would want to recover.
Hitler attempted to compromise with Poland about Danzig and the Polish corridor and the Poles were adamant about not returning German land. I doubt it would be any more effective with a Monarchy that is much less intimidating than Nazi Germany.
I disagree. The issue was not the morality of the German government. The geopolitical interest of the british and americans was to prevent Germany to emerge as a great power in Europe. The idiotic thing about it was though, that it was essentially a balance of power failure in the way they did it, by fully comitting to the Soviet Union instead of power balancing the two, they created the entire cold war mess. The soviet union was destined to be the greater power of the two, it had the demographics, the natural resources and the fast industrialisation under stalin. Germany with its lack of population and natural resources could so easily have been a client state to the western great powers, if they had just sided with it against the Soviets, essentially they could have made Germany their Ukraine at the time. A nation that depends on their support to fight the Russians, but without the resources to project power beyond this single issue, depending on their support, and saving the western allies the blood of their own soldiers in conflicts. And draining the soviets of their resourcers so the soviets can't expand in other parts of the world, unlike in our current history.
@@johnpotts8308 One thing that a lot of people fail to realize is that access to the sea was basically seen as the cornerstone of Polish independence to the point that Teutonic War (Teutons cutting off Poland-Lithuania from the sea, Battle of Grunwald, Polish-Lithuanian victory) is still an important topic taught in schools as is the golden age when Poland-Lithuania stretched from the Baltic to the Black Sea (from sea to sea). Now, I don't think that Poland would hand-off the corridor for free or for something like Slovakia (like in one of the alternate paths in HOI4) or some kind of military alliance because loss of access to the sea would be seen as being vassalized by Germany, nor would it agree to some kind of joint administration for the same reasons. Poland at the time wasn't much liked by its neighbors (Germany seen as prior oppressors, Soviets also seen as prior oppressors and sour relations following Polish-Soviet war and in fact seen as the greatest threat at the time, Lithuania with complete lack of diplomatic relations following Polish annexation of Vilnius) the only real remaining trade route would have to go through Romania (good relations), Latvia (not sure about relations, but the connection went through the North-East panhandle which was the middle of nowhere flanked by two unfriendly nations), or following the First Vienna Award - Hungary (good relations). What I think Poland could've agreed to would be handing off the corridor for some joint annexation of Lithuania and possibly even Latvia and likely some other things. Like Germany takes Memel, Poland takes everything else, Poland hands off the corridor, Poland gets full access through the Vistula and likely some kind of extra-territorial shipyard in Danzig region, and some kind of Anti-Soviet defense pact between the two nations. There'd still likely be some tensions about a solution like this due to the fact that the other rivers (Neman, Daugava) don't flow through the Polish midland and most smaller major rivers (Bug, Narew) drain into the Vistula. Now, I don't think a plan like this could happen under Hitler and RIbbentrop due to Hitler hating Poland and being dead set on his idea of Lebensraum and RIbbentrop being very anti-Polish and pro-Soviet. But should a coup fail but succeed in killing Hitler it could feasibly happen under Goering, Doenitz, or even Himmler. Should it succeed fully it could happen under the Kaiser or whatever military junta leader. Especially if it'd erupt into a full blown civil war since Germany would need time to regroup regardless. That being said, WW2 would still likely happen under this scenario from all the tensions (conflicting claims and borders that were drawn leaving sizable minorities in other nations) Whether UK/France would guarantee Lithuania/Latvia or Soviet Union would see Poland moving into what Soviets see as rightfully Soviet lands followed by France and UK choosing to join in to pressure Germany from the west, or Poland stepping in after Soviets would demand Bessarabia from their Romanian ally. Like something would set off this powder keg.
I am sorry but this scenario seems poorly researched concerning the Oster conspiracy, their plans, who was involved and how much support was behind it. The Oster conspiracy had a lot of support from the German general staff at the time of the Sudenten crisis. Even amongst the common soldiers, they were not enthusastic about a war with the West. There was very little support for war in Germany overall which is why the Oster conspiracy is considered the greatest missed chance by historians on the subject. If Hitler had declared war, his popularity would tank and the conspirators would be seen as heroes who prevented a madman from leading Germany to ruin. The guards protecting Hitler would have been no match against the army sent to arrest him. The claim that there would be no clear leader amongst the conspirators is also suspect. The obvious leader would have been Carl Goerdeler, who was in contact with the British and a leading figure against Hitler. He had experience as a politician, was well versed in economic policy and a staunch religious and conservative man. There is also a possibilty that Wilhelm II would return. It depends on how much power Goerdeler is given. The army wanted Wilhelm II but Goerdeler and others would consider him too controversial in the eyes of England and France.
Also the myth that the Nazis deliberately lowered wages lol, and the government having an 'alliance' with the industrialists. It was the opposite, the government deliberately took over positions of power within private enterprises.
Do you have any sources? because saying something is poorly researched and providing nothing is basically just doing what he is doing but disagreeing with him, that and this is an interest topic to look into. Anyways I personally doubt the possibility of Wilhelm II return and how much the army wanted him back. Some key officers sure. But the general army? or the public at large? No. Do not forget it was the Navy that rebelled in 1918, or the fact that his very own Generals seized power and made him into a ceremonial figure, that and a civil war was raged which forced him to abdicate. Now given the Monarchists were one of the largest factions in Germany but given the geopolitical, social, and economic aspects of the return of the Kaiser, it would be a risky venture, compared to Wilhelm III
@@sirsteam6455 Sure, The Plots Against Hitler, Nein! and Appeasing Hitler all delve into this topic. Your argument about Wilhelm II is something I agree with, but we simply don't know. Having Wilhelm II return would be very controversial internationally, but he had a lot of support by the military command, and seeing as those were the ones who would make up the elites countering Hitler and responsible for ruling, they'd have a lot of power. It might be that he'd return under conditions of constitutionalism, so his power would be more limited. A way of saying "He won't be able to start a new war on his own" as the allies blamed his decisions alone for the war. But you're correct that a lot of his internationally negative perception might be considered too much. He was by far hated more than Hitler was at that point.
I disagree Japan would still do anything like the Strike South if there was no war in Europe, contrary to popular belief war with the USA was pretty controversial within the Japanese high command and even it's supporters saw it as a massive gamble. Tojo was by war the biggest pro war voice but with the western powers undistracted I can't see there being enough support in the Japanese military to go through with it. More likely they try to reach out to Germany or Italy for mediation potentially drawing in the USA or UK as well. I suspect the peace wouldn't be that harsh and seeing as Japan still controls many of the richest parts of China they'd likely be able to get token concessions in exchange for their withdraw. Most likely a tabling of the Manchuria issue and demilitarization of China's northern border, and a restoration of the concessions in Shandong Japan took over from Germany post WW1. I think the military regime likely falls to internal pressure at this point and something like the Taisho democracy is restored but still with heavy military influence, as the USSR becomes a bigger threat in the West's view Japan likely becomes a tentative ally and since Japan still has Korea, Taiwan and one of the worlds strongest navies, Japan while not a superpower would remain a weak great power on the world's stage.
3:40 This timeline where Hitler is killed but the nazis remain in power while WW2 is pushed back just enough for nukes to be invented would be an interesting cold war scenario. This would make the cold war be quadpolar after China begins industrialization
As a German obviously I prefere more power for Germany, but a "quadpolar" nuclear game of chicken sounds like a VERY unstable world to live in. Though the Soviets relied on Germans to e.g. develop their nuclear enrichment (Gernot Zippe developing the Zippe type centrifuge for the soviets after they captured him, Manfred von Ardenne was involved with their nuclear program as well etc.). So in an alternative scenario, one might have seen a nuclear stalemate between Germany on the one side and USA on the other side, and possibly the soviet union as a nuclear battlefield and later wasteland between the two without risking all out escalation by striking eachothers homelands.
I think you kinda in the last part underestimate the Poles, 1945 is 6 additional years of preparation for Poland. In our timeline, by 1939 Polish economic growth was starting to explode with Poland every year modernising more and more and a very quickly growing population, not unlike the soviet union. You need to remember that Polish population was close to that of continental France. These 6 years, where Germany is licking wounds from the war with Czechoslovakia, slowing down remilitarisation, fighting internal conflicts and attempting to normalise relations, are years in which the Poles can use to great benefit, with each year being worth more to Poland than the Germans. Not to mention that the Czechoslovaks might be quite keen on helping out due to the last war and probably quite strong anti-German sentiment and fears. Poland did quite badly in our timeline, but in this timeline you have a weaker Germany against a Stronger Poland. The odds might be much more in favour of Poland. Especially if in Germany more radical movements can grow and prove a destabilising factor. I think the odds are that the war ends in a brutal slog/stalemate, which ends with Western Powers broking a peace.
they mostly did badly in our timeline, because if I remember correctly, they didn't finish mobilisation in time, army was underequipped for general mobilisation, their outdated airforce was mostly destroyed on land and like you said, their industry wasn't ready for war yet.
I mean tbf the Polish did defeat the USSR after WW1 in the Polish Soviet War bear in mind this was weak military Polish they were getting recked in the begining similar to the Korean War after the Chinese joined till UN/American troops arrived by I'm not sure if they could pull a Miracle of the Vistula on the Germans it'd probably be similar to the Ukraine War in current day with the Germans able to get Prussia and the area around Danzig also bits of Polish Silesia with the areas around Danzig and the city itself probably remaining untaken as happens and Poland probably declaring Peace.
that's wild man, i'm working on an alternate history video right now based on the oster conspiracy, youre my inspiration to try this style of video so its crazy we had similar ideas for scenarios at basically the same time
I disagree. Without a second front against the West, Germany would steamroll the soviets. Especially with the Japanese running rampant in the east, potentially a threat to siberia, requiring the soviets to send troops in case of a Japanese invasion.
Korea was unified for a short time after World War 2 as the socialist People's Republic of Korea, before it was divided in half by the Soviet-backed Kimilsungists and the American-backed military dicatorship. Fredda actually did an extensive video exploring this alternate history scenario that's one of the most in depth and well thought out alternate history videos ever. ua-cam.com/video/3XKZbXo4wp8/v-deo.htmlsi=CV0e5a7wPcxaICap
I really appreciate that the Map at 23:08 differentiates between the Upper German Bavarians & Austrians and the Central German Erzgebirger, Saxons & Silesians.
Don't forget, though, "German Ex-Aviator" (that's how I'll call whom he chose as likeliest new dictator) was the bureaucrat hand behind the no-no-'caust. It's likely the atrocities side goes up an amount if a direct actor for it is THE head of state.
This reminds me of another cool scenario idea: What if everything went perfect for the Freikorps ? It would definitely be similar, but different in quite a few ways.
@@jdools4744 the german capture of france was a surprise for the germans, and they were readying themselves for another ww1 The french strategy played right into the german hands The french invaded small parts of germany with great success in 1939, but discontinued it for some reason Stalin refused to attack the germans for 2 days after barbarossa started, cause he still believed the treaty could hold They didnt retreat from major cities, letting hundreds of thousands or even millions of soviet troops be encircled The germans got lucky, and that luck naturally ran out when The allies invaded algeria and pushed the axis out of africa The allies landed in italy The soviets pushed the germans back from moscow The germans got encircled in stalingrad (killing army group south) Operation bagration hit - annihilating army group center & north The allies landed in france Germany and her allies ultimately fell
@@jdools4744 dawg the push into france was germany doing a hail mary that only paid off cause the french were stupid enough to not use radios & thought the germans would rake all of belgium a la ww1 The polish were sacrified and thought they would get support from the western allies, leaving them overstretched & undersupplied - theyd have done much better abandoning large parts of prussia The whole austria & Czechoslovakia surrendering themselves not to mention The germans werent genius. Operation Barbarossa, and the thought theyd be able to capitulate the soviets in a couple months, shows that perfectly
I remember going for the “Canada First” achievement but saw that the Allies declared on Germany during the Sunderland Crisis, before I could join the Axis. I went the other route for Canada and failed miserably at a two-pronged invasion of America, and Canada again became part of the Allies (which included Japan) with its war against the Soviet Union.
@@obi-wankenobi1149 I am trans but honestly I just like the look of the 5 races flag, not a big supporter or something (mainly because I don’t know enough about that part of Chinese history to have an opinion)
PH, I'm not an animator and I don't know what you use for your video's, but may if you had a few shots of a tilted map, especially durring the intro might improve quality (Quality is great at the momment though)
I love yor content❤❤❤ and I have idea for video: If Prague was the capital city of Habsburg monarchy, then in year 1619, durig the Bohemian Revolt in Prague, then the rovelters conquered the capital city of Habsburg monarchy - Prague and Ferdinand 2nd surrendered and Frederick 5th of Palatinate become king of the Habsburg monarchy. In year 1685 when Frederick's grandson Charles 2nd died without sons, his brother-in-law (brother of his wife) Christian 5th Danish and Norwegian king became king of Danubian kingdom (Habsburg monarchy). In reality in year 1740 Frederick 2nd (Prussian king) attacked Silesia because of destability of Habsburg monarchy and because of someone's non-recognition of Maria Theresa as queen, but in this alternative history it didn't happened, because Oldenburg monarchy (Habsburg monarchy and Denmark-Norway) was stable, everyone recognize Christian 6th as king and Oldenburg monarchy was more times bigger than Prussia. In year 1814 after the unsucceful Norwegian war of indepence the Oldenburg monarchy became federation of three states - Norway, Denmark and Danubia. After 50 years in year 1867 the federak state Danubia splits into 2 federal states - Bohemia and Hungary. In this alternative history duke Franz Ferdinand wasn't assassinated, but successor to the throne and first born son of Christian 10th - Frederick instead. The great war was going on just like in Reality. If the great war win Triple Alliance, then Knut Christian (second born son of Christian 10th) ruled the Denmark-Norway and the part of Oldenburg monarchy in Central Europe (Federal states Bohemia and Hungary) was split like in reality, but Silesia and North and South Lusatia were part of Czechoslovakia. You can edit it a bit. If you make video about this
In this timeline, I believe the Germans would be victorious against the Soviets. I believe the Germans would support an independent Ukraine and Belarus, and not consider slavs as undesirables. With the relative unpopularity of Stalin, I believe the Soviets would eventually collapse.
They would probably follow the plans they had in WW1. Ukraine, Byelorussia, and probably the South Caucasian republics are restored but under extensive German influence. Their economies and resources would be exploited by German industrialists and to provide cheap goods for the German working class, keeping them happy. Russia would be subjected to Versailles like demilitarization and likely also heavily exploited by German industry as they reconstruct the nation
I disagree, they wouldn't want to heavily punish Russia. They would want them to be a (ideally weaker) ally. That is what they wanted Orginally in ww1 before the Russians kept refusing them. And they can paint their victory over ussr as anti-leftist instead of anti-Russian. While they would likely cutt the ussr up as much as possible. They wouldn't want to make the Russians in particular punished, after all the ussr wasn't even led by a Russian. Ouside of the major ethnic minorities getting independance the most they would do to Russia is cut off the siberia and impose favourable ecconomic treaties.
@@gareginnzhdehhimselfKinda treaty of Brest-Litovsk, but little more harsh. Though I doubt about preserving stability in those new sphere of influence in a long term, the last time Germany did, they struggle to maintaining it.
Quite the opposite to be honest. If soviets indeed went on and had so much time till 1945 they would be in fact invincible. Keep in mind, this germany is weaker than nazi one, way less ambitious at it. No plan ost or lebensraum ideas. Why would they attack Russia in first place?
I think, that the continuation of German expansion during allied interest in Sino-Japanese war would probably come in 1943, maybe later, but Germans would surely experience stronger resistance from Poles and Czechoslovaks. There was one guy talking about Polish modernization until 1942, then i'll talk about Czechoslovak modernization. It was also expected to be finished in 1942, just like large part of their border fortifications (if you want exact equipment numbers, i can put them here). I expect, that most of heavy forts are already built, waiting to be equipped. Now you may be asking yourself, "Why wouldn't they stop in 1938, when war with Germany was already finished and the fortififications just outlived their purpose? Well, in the video, it was said, that the new government led by Goering would still be anti-slavic and loss of war with them would only fuel their anger against them. With German invasion of Poland, the fortification line would definitely be expanded to also be on border with Poland, where the situation would be simmilar to their border with Austria in 1938, except this time, they the lightly protected part of border is mountainous. If they'd also have a border with USSR, i expect that they'd sign a formal alliance of defensive pact, since the relations between were good (at least in the pre-war years). I also think, that the Czechoslovaks could try to expand into Tseschen parts, the Poles seized in 1919 and into Orava and Spis, mostly inhabited by ethnic Slovaks.
Danzig will definitely return to Germany since they were the vast Majority in that region and also Poland really didn't need Danzig anymore since they already built a Port in Gdynia so yeah.
I think Romania had pretty much all the territory it had ever wanted during the interwar period, so maybe it could focus on how they could have kept all of it (somehow)?
I think that if the war between the soviets and the germans start before 1950, the allies would help the germans, not by joining the war themselves, but by supplying the germans with food, guns, resources and etc, and also give them diplomatic support, as the Soviets would be a bigger threat then the germans, the soviets would have an larger population and would be on the way to be fully industrialized.
When did UA-cam start censoring the words “Hitler” and “Nazi”to this degree. I saw first Cody having to use a different word for Hitler and now Possible History, what’s going on? What good does this do?
One thing the video is missing is that if France defended Czechoslovakia then the Soviet Union was bound to defend France as stipulated in Article 2 of the Franco-Soviet Treaty of Mutual Assistance which would in turn trigger the Czechoslovak-Soviet Treaty of Alliance. Which would theoretically bring the Soviets into the war and although the pact did have many flaws such as Poland and Romania denying similar defence pacts and blocking Soviet Millitary access, however at least some Soviets troops and equipment could be shipped to France (similar to Spanish Volunteers) and the Soviet Airforce might be granted at least limited access to Polish or Romanian airspace to fly to Czechoslovak airbases. This also leads to an interesting video idea that I have listed bellow as well as an explanation of the pact, why it failed and how this affect future Soviet policy. Video Idea: What if the Franco-Soviet Treaty of Mutual Assistance was enforced in protection of Czechoslovakia. In OTL the British convinced the French to abandon the Czechs and hence the Czechoslovak-Soviet Treaty of Alliance could not be enforced as Soviets would only intervene if France declared war on Germany first, this was seen by the USSR as a betrayal and let to the abandonment of the Pro-Western Policy under Maxim Litvinov when he was replaced by Molotov.
Ayy, another alternate history timeline where the Palace of the Soviets gets built! Always a 10/10 scenario in my books. Also, *24:28* Also please, do not so gravely underestimate the USSR, not only does this war break out a few years later, meaning the Soviets had ample time to issue heavy military reforms and empower their already insane army, on top of how Germany is far weaker and less militarized in here. If anything, this war is more favourable for the USSR than the allies, in my eyes!
Wow it's just been posted , well , I'm not sure if it's gonna Kaiser Wilhelm II as Emperor , or another German prince claim , or if it's a german constitutional monarchy!
I could honestly see Germany moving towards a constitutional republic or closing off and focusing on autarky like spain did. If anything a nationalist monarchist germany would be interested in reclaiming german speaking lands and populations. Tensions would exist but since Germany and Italy were never really friends due to conflicting interests I don't see Monarchist Germany aligning with Italy as much. It'd be interesting to see a German Czech partnership too where Germany reorganizes it's eastern allies and potentially goes to war with poland to build a bulwark against communism. It really depends on if the person in charge has any kind of political savvyness. It should be clear to Germany that conflict in the west is undesirable so seeking improved relations with britain and/ or france should also be considered. Good video! Love theorizing!
Hey Possible History, when do you plan on making that post Cold War Viewers Decide video? Because it’s been a while since I took that survey, and I was just wondering.
Czechoslovakia decides to fight the germans in 1938 but gives up in 1940 when they try again. You could've dived into that a little bit. I also just don't see the west getting that directly involved in Japan to the point where they can't handle European affairs. Yes, I'm sure they'd give lots of guns to China, but if they saw Germany making moves, they would probably prioritize that. The west has proven in this timeline that if they stand up to Germany they can win. This would make them far more likely to do it again. Also, many of the eastern europeans wouldn't be nearly as intimidated by the Germans in this timeline, and I don't imagine them capitulating so easy. For example, Mr Horthy in Hungary kept very cordial relationships with the west, even during world war 2 to the best of his ability. He would not be the first to commit to the German alliance. Who then? The Yugoslavs? It just got sloppy at the end. The Bulgarians certainly would not, even in our timeline, they were committed to only providing "occupation forces" for a time. There is no timeline where the British don't try to defend the greeks. Honesltly. Even in our timeline, Hitler was very concered about the Polish Romanian alliance. I think the willpower of this states to stick up to Germany would certainly increase in this timeline.
I would love a what If everything went perfect for x after a certain point series. For example, what if everything went perfect for Germany after 1917 It is just the real timeline until 1917, where changes can be made I would like to know if ot was even possible to win after that point
While I appreciate the effort it took to make a video on this highly interesting alt-history scenario, I strongly disagree with much of the analysis. 1) the Oster Conspiracy had very high level support, not only in the army (ex. Witzleben), but in various ministries (Weizsäcker), the intelligence service (Canaris) and the national bank (Schacht). They would almost certainly have had the institutional clout to stage a full coup. 2) This is not the Germany of 1939, 40 or 41. The Regime and its various structures are much weaker, the nation as a whole not yet fully "gleichgeschaltet". The number of fully indoctrinated fanatics was not yet that high, and most families were still traumatized by WW1. There was widespread skepticism about picking a fight with the allies over something as trivial as the Sudentenland. If the Regime did start a war with the Czechs, a historically very close people to the Germans, thereby causing another Weltkrieg, there is good reason to believe that no amount of propaganda would have secured popular support for the conflict. A regime change "for peace" would have been welcomed by a plurality, or even a majority. 3) the Blomberg-Fritsch Affair earlier that year had greatly angered a large number of Wehrmacht officers who, faced with being sent off into an unwinnable war, would have jumped at any excuse to legimitately refuse their suicidal orders. Again, there is good reason to believe the vast majority of the Wehrmacht would have sided with - or at least not opposed - the coup. This is also why Churchill was desperately trying to get Chamberlain to call Hitler's bluff, as he had a much clearer understanding of the mood and politics within the Wehrmacht of 1938. 4) Supporting the conspirtators by standing firmly with Czechoslovakia would have been the absolutely correct move for Britain's grand strategy, as it's main issue was being challenged in three theatres simultaneously by three powers (Germany in the North and West, Italy in the Mediterranean and East Africa and Japan in Asia). If they could reset relations with Germany to neutral and work out a new modus vivendi in the aftermath of a Wehrmacht coup, they could remove the by far greatest of the three threats, thus massively improving their geostrategic position - at almost no cost in blood and treasure. Tl,dr: the Oster Conspiracy had a very reasonable chance of success, both for assassination and beyond, and it would have been much better for everyone if France and Britain had stood by the Czechs in 1938, even based solely on information available to them at the time.
Lol yeah ok Churchill the man known for being in the pocket of a group along with other high ranking men in the UK pushing for war. Nothing like hearing people keep quoting one of the biggest warmongers in human history who killed millions of Indians via starvation
May I suggest that you use a different colour than blue, like red or yellow, when you use the entente or allies in combination with a black germany on a map because it is difficult to differenciate them and keep them seperate!
Honestly leaving the Danzig corridor is a good idea to not upset the poles. Mostly Poles lived in the corridor and gives Poland access to sea. They would've been Germany's greatest allies against Soviets. Germany has always been way more successful than Russia so it's no brainer that Germans after all would have more influence on the Polish than the Russians. Germany's greed towards Polish land destroyed itself.
I think a video on what if the 1525 peasant revolts succeeded could be interesting, the revolt was caused by many peasants interpreting Luther’s call for new religious interpretations as a call for new political relations between the peasants nobles and church. The result of this divergence would be a big south German Protestant republic from ~1530 onwards. Maybe the divergence would be Luther siding with the peasants and not choosing to follow a solely religious reformation.
The position of temporary leader of the opposition forces after H-man's assassination would likely fall to someone like August von Mackensen, Ludwig Beck, Alexander von Falkenhausen, or possibly someone like Otto Gessler (at least in the civilian sector)
What made the Soviets delay their plans by 4 years, until 1943? I don't think that lack of an aggressive Germany would stop them, consodering how hellbent they were on reclaiming the Russian Empire
“The dictator” that’s a new one to screw with the algorithm
Also "ultra nationalists"
"Freedom of speech" they say, "it's going to be great" they say.
@@maximillianx1395 as long as they like your speech you can say whatever!
@@Wertzuioplutocrats fear truth more than anything.
@@maximillianx1395 It's almost like "freedom of speech" has always meant freedom from legal persecution for the things you say, and has no bearing on a corporation. Not to say that youtube shouldn't be allowing creators to say what they want, but "freedom of speech" is a complete non-sequitur.
It's infuriating that we've gotten to the point where you can't even say "hitler" in a history video without UA-cam's insanely hypersensitive censorbot freaking out.
UA-cam crying like a baby, lol
@@MeJustMe101Yet it doesn’t ban russian nationalists discussing how to erase the Ukrainian nation and culture.
@@bodyat3630 Never seen that lmao
@@bodyat3630 or Muslims expressing their hatred towards non believers
@@bodyat3630 stalin would be better comparion
The way he has perfect South Sudan on the list but hasn’t done perfect Italy is low key insane
My brother?
@@Chewsonrock 😵😵
The grass nation spreads ain’t no way
I think its Was the losing terms of a contest
South Sudan is much easier to bring to glory than Italy. Simple as.
Er, you're right that Oppenheimer wouldn't have "come back" to Germany with the bomb, because he was an American, born in NY. He was not one of the German scientists that fled "The Dictator".
he said "a figure like oppenheimer"
He studied quantum physics in Germany and was very much a part of the central Central European physics scene working together with Schrödinger, Bohr, Meisner, Heisenberg etc. . Maybe he (the video creator) was hinting at that? But who knows.
But would the Heisenberg compensators still have been an integral part of of Star Fleet's late 24th Century transporters?
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Edit: I realized he doesnt have a patreon, i mixed Possible History up with another similar youtube channel. Then the solution is a channel membership, the button is there which means it exists. Or he has some secret cult somewhere that gets to watch the videos early. I dont know, im just a simple history lover like yourselfs, this was all speculation but a membership of some sorts is usually what is the cause of people viewing a video before its release.
PH, if you are reading, maybe some insight? xD
Bro I have neither it got recommended to me from the danelaw vid lol
ty good to know
They don’t have a membership or patreon tho 😂
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@@davidhehir7378 Anyone with a patreon sub can share the link, unless he has it set to private where only certain accounts can watch it. But that doesnt let people with Membership watch it either, so im not sure. Either they were linked the video or they are patreon subbed but not on a "thank you" list
crazy how fast this got recommended to me
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Germany may have lost the world wars but they got the world back by being the star of alternate history
Everyone needs a bad guy for their story after all and who is better than the one who caused "two" world wars?
the world wars SO FAR
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@@Emanuel-t5e Third time's the charm.
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I mean if we lose WW3 against Russia, that wouldn't be good for our allies in NATO either..
@@Emanuel-t5e in what world does WW3 end without nuclear destruction?
Oppenheimer wasn’t German, but was born in the US, and was a student in Germany prior to leaving. He simply came home. There were many other Jewish refugees who left however and that would make a better example.
Yeah, Albert Einstein is a good example.
"someone like Oppenheimer" not that he was saying Oppenheimer was German. He was talking about the German scientists that worked alongside Oppenheimer
0:33 Daladier was not president. He was Prime minister
I thought this was a very interesting scenario, if the Oster Conspiracy had gone ahead with the war for Czechoslovakia, and the overthrow of the entire Nazi regime and the restoration of the monarchy in Germany. The new government could effectively make peace with Great Britain and France, abandoning for the moment any idea of expansion across Europe and focusing only on rebuilding the country and its new position in Europe. Germany could reach some compromise with Poland regarding Danzig and its former territories in the East, form an alliance in Central and Eastern Europe against the Soviet Union. Effectively, Germany could create its Mitteleuropa and a slightly better position with the rest of the continent.
It's pretty much a return to their aims in World War I (although with Austria now part of the 4th(?) Reich). I do think it would be hard to come to any sort of compromise with Poland though - the Polish corridor cut East Prussia off from the rest of the country, so the new regime would see it as a part of the German heartland they would want to recover.
Hitler attempted to compromise with Poland about Danzig and the Polish corridor and the Poles were adamant about not returning German land. I doubt it would be any more effective with a Monarchy that is much less intimidating than Nazi Germany.
I disagree.
The issue was not the morality of the German government.
The geopolitical interest of the british and americans was to prevent Germany to emerge as a great power in Europe.
The idiotic thing about it was though, that it was essentially a balance of power failure in the way they did it, by fully comitting to the Soviet Union instead of power balancing the two, they created the entire cold war mess.
The soviet union was destined to be the greater power of the two, it had the demographics, the natural resources and the fast industrialisation under stalin.
Germany with its lack of population and natural resources could so easily have been a client state to the western great powers, if they had just sided with it against the Soviets,
essentially they could have made Germany their Ukraine at the time.
A nation that depends on their support to fight the Russians, but without the resources to project power beyond this single issue, depending on their support,
and saving the western allies the blood of their own soldiers in conflicts.
And draining the soviets of their resourcers so the soviets can't expand in other parts of the world, unlike in our current history.
@@johnpotts8308 One thing that a lot of people fail to realize is that access to the sea was basically seen as the cornerstone of Polish independence to the point that Teutonic War (Teutons cutting off Poland-Lithuania from the sea, Battle of Grunwald, Polish-Lithuanian victory) is still an important topic taught in schools as is the golden age when Poland-Lithuania stretched from the Baltic to the Black Sea (from sea to sea).
Now, I don't think that Poland would hand-off the corridor for free or for something like Slovakia (like in one of the alternate paths in HOI4) or some kind of military alliance because loss of access to the sea would be seen as being vassalized by Germany, nor would it agree to some kind of joint administration for the same reasons.
Poland at the time wasn't much liked by its neighbors (Germany seen as prior oppressors, Soviets also seen as prior oppressors and sour relations following Polish-Soviet war and in fact seen as the greatest threat at the time, Lithuania with complete lack of diplomatic relations following Polish annexation of Vilnius) the only real remaining trade route would have to go through Romania (good relations), Latvia (not sure about relations, but the connection went through the North-East panhandle which was the middle of nowhere flanked by two unfriendly nations), or following the First Vienna Award - Hungary (good relations).
What I think Poland could've agreed to would be handing off the corridor for some joint annexation of Lithuania and possibly even Latvia and likely some other things. Like Germany takes Memel, Poland takes everything else, Poland hands off the corridor, Poland gets full access through the Vistula and likely some kind of extra-territorial shipyard in Danzig region, and some kind of Anti-Soviet defense pact between the two nations. There'd still likely be some tensions about a solution like this due to the fact that the other rivers (Neman, Daugava) don't flow through the Polish midland and most smaller major rivers (Bug, Narew) drain into the Vistula.
Now, I don't think a plan like this could happen under Hitler and RIbbentrop due to Hitler hating Poland and being dead set on his idea of Lebensraum and RIbbentrop being very anti-Polish and pro-Soviet. But should a coup fail but succeed in killing Hitler it could feasibly happen under Goering, Doenitz, or even Himmler. Should it succeed fully it could happen under the Kaiser or whatever military junta leader. Especially if it'd erupt into a full blown civil war since Germany would need time to regroup regardless.
That being said, WW2 would still likely happen under this scenario from all the tensions (conflicting claims and borders that were drawn leaving sizable minorities in other nations) Whether UK/France would guarantee Lithuania/Latvia or Soviet Union would see Poland moving into what Soviets see as rightfully Soviet lands followed by France and UK choosing to join in to pressure Germany from the west, or Poland stepping in after Soviets would demand Bessarabia from their Romanian ally. Like something would set off this powder keg.
I am sorry but this scenario seems poorly researched concerning the Oster conspiracy, their plans, who was involved and how much support was behind it.
The Oster conspiracy had a lot of support from the German general staff at the time of the Sudenten crisis. Even amongst the common soldiers, they were not enthusastic about a war with the West. There was very little support for war in Germany overall which is why the Oster conspiracy is considered the greatest missed chance by historians on the subject.
If Hitler had declared war, his popularity would tank and the conspirators would be seen as heroes who prevented a madman from leading Germany to ruin. The guards protecting Hitler would have been no match against the army sent to arrest him.
The claim that there would be no clear leader amongst the conspirators is also suspect. The obvious leader would have been Carl Goerdeler, who was in contact with the British and a leading figure against Hitler. He had experience as a politician, was well versed in economic policy and a staunch religious and conservative man.
There is also a possibilty that Wilhelm II would return. It depends on how much power Goerdeler is given. The army wanted Wilhelm II but Goerdeler and others would consider him too controversial in the eyes of England and France.
Also the myth that the Nazis deliberately lowered wages lol, and the government having an 'alliance' with the industrialists. It was the opposite, the government deliberately took over positions of power within private enterprises.
Do you have any sources? because saying something is poorly researched and providing nothing is basically just doing what he is doing but disagreeing with him, that and this is an interest topic to look into.
Anyways I personally doubt the possibility of Wilhelm II return and how much the army wanted him back. Some key officers sure. But the general army? or the public at large? No. Do not forget it was the Navy that rebelled in 1918, or the fact that his very own Generals seized power and made him into a ceremonial figure, that and a civil war was raged which forced him to abdicate. Now given the Monarchists were one of the largest factions in Germany but given the geopolitical, social, and economic aspects of the return of the Kaiser, it would be a risky venture, compared to Wilhelm III
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Sure, The Plots Against Hitler, Nein! and Appeasing Hitler all delve into this topic.
Your argument about Wilhelm II is something I agree with, but we simply don't know. Having Wilhelm II return would be very controversial internationally, but he had a lot of support by the military command, and seeing as those were the ones who would make up the elites countering Hitler and responsible for ruling, they'd have a lot of power.
It might be that he'd return under conditions of constitutionalism, so his power would be more limited. A way of saying "He won't be able to start a new war on his own" as the allies blamed his decisions alone for the war.
But you're correct that a lot of his internationally negative perception might be considered too much. He was by far hated more than Hitler was at that point.
I disagree Japan would still do anything like the Strike South if there was no war in Europe, contrary to popular belief war with the USA was pretty controversial within the Japanese high command and even it's supporters saw it as a massive gamble. Tojo was by war the biggest pro war voice but with the western powers undistracted I can't see there being enough support in the Japanese military to go through with it. More likely they try to reach out to Germany or Italy for mediation potentially drawing in the USA or UK as well. I suspect the peace wouldn't be that harsh and seeing as Japan still controls many of the richest parts of China they'd likely be able to get token concessions in exchange for their withdraw. Most likely a tabling of the Manchuria issue and demilitarization of China's northern border, and a restoration of the concessions in Shandong Japan took over from Germany post WW1. I think the military regime likely falls to internal pressure at this point and something like the Taisho democracy is restored but still with heavy military influence, as the USSR becomes a bigger threat in the West's view Japan likely becomes a tentative ally and since Japan still has Korea, Taiwan and one of the worlds strongest navies, Japan while not a superpower would remain a weak great power on the world's stage.
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What if everything went perfect for Italy?
I really hope he reads this
It went but well Itlians
So does that just mean…
What if the Roman Empire never fell
@@TroysMoviesGamingnah it would probably be from 1861
@@TroysMoviesGamingwell the romans weren’t exactly Italians…
3:40 This timeline where Hitler is killed but the nazis remain in power while WW2 is pushed back just enough for nukes to be invented would be an interesting cold war scenario. This would make the cold war be quadpolar after China begins industrialization
Japan might still invade China in that timeline
@@XGD5layerWell Japan would definitely invade China, as they already did in previous year (1937), or 1931 if counting Manchuria.
As a German obviously I prefere more power for Germany,
but a "quadpolar" nuclear game of chicken sounds like a VERY unstable world to live in.
Though the Soviets relied on Germans to e.g. develop their nuclear enrichment (Gernot Zippe developing the Zippe type centrifuge for the soviets after they captured him, Manfred von Ardenne was involved with their nuclear program as well etc.).
So in an alternative scenario, one might have seen a nuclear stalemate between Germany on the one side and USA on the other side, and possibly the soviet union as a nuclear battlefield and later wasteland between the two without risking all out escalation by striking eachothers homelands.
I think you kinda in the last part underestimate the Poles, 1945 is 6 additional years of preparation for Poland. In our timeline, by 1939 Polish economic growth was starting to explode with Poland every year modernising more and more and a very quickly growing population, not unlike the soviet union. You need to remember that Polish population was close to that of continental France.
These 6 years, where Germany is licking wounds from the war with Czechoslovakia, slowing down remilitarisation, fighting internal conflicts and attempting to normalise relations, are years in which the Poles can use to great benefit, with each year being worth more to Poland than the Germans.
Not to mention that the Czechoslovaks might be quite keen on helping out due to the last war and probably quite strong anti-German sentiment and fears.
Poland did quite badly in our timeline, but in this timeline you have a weaker Germany against a Stronger Poland. The odds might be much more in favour of Poland. Especially if in Germany more radical movements can grow and prove a destabilising factor. I think the odds are that the war ends in a brutal slog/stalemate, which ends with Western Powers broking a peace.
i dont think this Germany is keen on taking Poland away, they are quite important against the Soviets
they mostly did badly in our timeline, because if I remember correctly, they didn't finish mobilisation in time, army was underequipped for general mobilisation, their outdated airforce was mostly destroyed on land and like you said, their industry wasn't ready for war yet.
I mean tbf the Polish did defeat the USSR after WW1 in the Polish Soviet War bear in mind this was weak military Polish they were getting recked in the begining similar to the Korean War after the Chinese joined till UN/American troops arrived by I'm not sure if they could pull a Miracle of the Vistula on the Germans it'd probably be similar to the Ukraine War in current day with the Germans able to get Prussia and the area around Danzig also bits of Polish Silesia with the areas around Danzig and the city itself probably remaining untaken as happens and Poland probably declaring Peace.
6 years is not enough to change the outcome.
They were industrialising but not that fast. And their military had little experiance in combined arms.
And why wouldnt Stalin just invade in 1940?
Love how UA-cam has forced us to call mustache man “the dictator.”
You can still say Hitler
that's wild man, i'm working on an alternate history video right now based on the oster conspiracy, youre my inspiration to try this style of video so its crazy we had similar ideas for scenarios at basically the same time
24:38 tbh with more time for the soviets i dont think they'd be pushed back as far
I disagree. Without a second front against the West, Germany would steamroll the soviets. Especially with the Japanese running rampant in the east, potentially a threat to siberia, requiring the soviets to send troops in case of a Japanese invasion.
More time, and it also wouldn't be a surprise for Stalin.
Yeah but the cooperation of the people with the Germans would be far far greater
Video idea: What if the Hussites won? In my opinion, it is a very interesting idea (but i can be biased).
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Idea: what if Vietnam and Korea weren't divided
What if Vietnam and Korea were ... United? 💪😎
Korea was unified for a short time after World War 2 as the socialist People's Republic of Korea, before it was divided in half by the Soviet-backed Kimilsungists and the American-backed military dicatorship. Fredda actually did an extensive video exploring this alternate history scenario that's one of the most in depth and well thought out alternate history videos ever.
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Fredda has such video about Korea
1. I think you should do a scenario where Goering came out on top in this quiet civil war
2. What if the French government fled to Algeria during ww2?
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why is the video thumbnail some black guy graduating college
Bruh how did you get here so early?
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How did you see the video five hours before it was released?🤔
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My god I remember watching the Czechoslovakia vid and thinking “but what about the coup?”
Bro, this is awesome
Lesgooo I’ve been waiting a week since the Czech video 🎉🎉🎉
Cool Video As Always!
Fun Fact: People who are in Possible History's Discord server likely also watch his content! The more you know
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Video 22 of asking Possible History for a video about "If Valery Sablin was succesful"
I really appreciate that the Map at 23:08 differentiates between the Upper German Bavarians & Austrians and the Central German Erzgebirger, Saxons & Silesians.
Don't forget, though, "German Ex-Aviator" (that's how I'll call whom he chose as likeliest new dictator) was the bureaucrat hand behind the no-no-'caust. It's likely the atrocities side goes up an amount if a direct actor for it is THE head of state.
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This reminds me of another cool scenario idea: What if everything went perfect for the Freikorps ? It would definitely be similar, but different in quite a few ways.
Germany really rolled that nat20 several times in a row 1938-1941
Actually it was intricate planning and military strategy
@@jdools4744 the german capture of france was a surprise for the germans, and they were readying themselves for another ww1
The french strategy played right into the german hands
The french invaded small parts of germany with great success in 1939, but discontinued it for some reason
Stalin refused to attack the germans for 2 days after barbarossa started, cause he still believed the treaty could hold
They didnt retreat from major cities, letting hundreds of thousands or even millions of soviet troops be encircled
The germans got lucky, and that luck naturally ran out when
The allies invaded algeria and pushed the axis out of africa
The allies landed in italy
The soviets pushed the germans back from moscow
The germans got encircled in stalingrad (killing army group south)
Operation bagration hit - annihilating army group center & north
The allies landed in france
Germany and her allies ultimately fell
@@jdools4744 dawg the push into france was germany doing a hail mary that only paid off cause the french were stupid enough to not use radios & thought the germans would rake all of belgium a la ww1
The polish were sacrified and thought they would get support from the western allies, leaving them overstretched & undersupplied - theyd have done much better abandoning large parts of prussia
The whole austria & Czechoslovakia surrendering themselves not to mention
The germans werent genius. Operation Barbarossa, and the thought theyd be able to capitulate the soviets in a couple months, shows that perfectly
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*Iran joined the central powers*
beiyang-trans pride flag? i love your pfp
I remember going for the “Canada First” achievement but saw that the Allies declared on Germany during the Sunderland Crisis, before I could join the Axis.
I went the other route for Canada and failed miserably at a two-pronged invasion of America, and Canada again became part of the Allies (which included Japan) with its war against the Soviet Union.
@@obi-wankenobi1149 I am trans but honestly I just like the look of the 5 races flag, not a big supporter or something (mainly because I don’t know enough about that part of Chinese history to have an opinion)
23:00 why did bro clap
PH, I'm not an animator and I don't know what you use for your video's, but may if you had a few shots of a tilted map, especially durring the intro might improve quality (Quality is great at the momment though)
I love yor content❤❤❤ and I have idea for video:
If Prague was the capital city of Habsburg monarchy, then in year 1619, durig the Bohemian Revolt in Prague, then the rovelters conquered the capital city of Habsburg monarchy - Prague and Ferdinand 2nd surrendered and Frederick 5th of Palatinate become king of the Habsburg monarchy. In year 1685 when Frederick's grandson Charles 2nd died without sons, his brother-in-law (brother of his wife) Christian 5th Danish and Norwegian king became king of Danubian kingdom (Habsburg monarchy). In reality in year 1740 Frederick 2nd (Prussian king) attacked Silesia because of destability of Habsburg monarchy and because of someone's non-recognition of Maria Theresa as queen, but in this alternative history it didn't happened, because Oldenburg monarchy (Habsburg monarchy and Denmark-Norway) was stable, everyone recognize Christian 6th as king and Oldenburg monarchy was more times bigger than Prussia. In year 1814 after the unsucceful Norwegian war of indepence the Oldenburg monarchy became federation of three states - Norway, Denmark and Danubia. After 50 years in year 1867 the federak state Danubia splits into 2 federal states - Bohemia and Hungary. In this alternative history duke Franz Ferdinand wasn't assassinated, but successor to the throne and first born son of Christian 10th - Frederick instead. The great war was going on just like in Reality. If the great war win Triple Alliance, then Knut Christian (second born son of Christian 10th) ruled the Denmark-Norway and the part of Oldenburg monarchy in Central Europe (Federal states Bohemia and Hungary) was split like in reality, but Silesia and North and South Lusatia were part of Czechoslovakia.
You can edit it a bit.
If you make video about this
Least Nationalistic Danish person be like.
@@melkormorgothbauglir.4848 Danish? Its about Czechia.....
Possible History, what if Germany and Italy were trapped and betrayed in the hyperbolic time chamber???
I was PRAYING for this 🙏🏻😭
I thought you were going into an ad segue at 4:00 lol.
In this timeline, I believe the Germans would be victorious against the Soviets. I believe the Germans would support an independent Ukraine and Belarus, and not consider slavs as undesirables. With the relative unpopularity of Stalin, I believe the Soviets would eventually collapse.
They would probably follow the plans they had in WW1. Ukraine, Byelorussia, and probably the South Caucasian republics are restored but under extensive German influence. Their economies and resources would be exploited by German industrialists and to provide cheap goods for the German working class, keeping them happy.
Russia would be subjected to Versailles like demilitarization and likely also heavily exploited by German industry as they reconstruct the nation
I disagree, they wouldn't want to heavily punish Russia. They would want them to be a (ideally weaker) ally. That is what they wanted Orginally in ww1 before the Russians kept refusing them. And they can paint their victory over ussr as anti-leftist instead of anti-Russian.
While they would likely cutt the ussr up as much as possible. They wouldn't want to make the Russians in particular punished, after all the ussr wasn't even led by a Russian.
Ouside of the major ethnic minorities getting independance the most they would do to Russia is cut off the siberia and impose favourable ecconomic treaties.
With more years to prepare and without Germans plundering Europe to fuel their economy, Soviet army would dwarf Germans and their allies for sure
@@gareginnzhdehhimselfKinda treaty of Brest-Litovsk, but little more harsh. Though I doubt about preserving stability in those new sphere of influence in a long term, the last time Germany did, they struggle to maintaining it.
Quite the opposite to be honest. If soviets indeed went on and had so much time till 1945 they would be in fact invincible. Keep in mind, this germany is weaker than nazi one, way less ambitious at it. No plan ost or lebensraum ideas. Why would they attack Russia in first place?
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Now he is going to hibernate the entire week
This is why nobody abbreviates Possible History
chill out bro
I think, that the continuation of German expansion during allied interest in Sino-Japanese war would probably come in 1943, maybe later, but Germans would surely experience stronger resistance from Poles and Czechoslovaks. There was one guy talking about Polish modernization until 1942, then i'll talk about Czechoslovak modernization.
It was also expected to be finished in 1942, just like large part of their border fortifications (if you want exact equipment numbers, i can put them here). I expect, that most of heavy forts are already built, waiting to be equipped. Now you may be asking yourself, "Why wouldn't they stop in 1938, when war with Germany was already finished and the fortififications just outlived their purpose? Well, in the video, it was said, that the new government led by Goering would still be anti-slavic and loss of war with them would only fuel their anger against them. With German invasion of Poland, the fortification line would definitely be expanded to also be on border with Poland, where the situation would be simmilar to their border with Austria in 1938, except this time, they the lightly protected part of border is mountainous. If they'd also have a border with USSR, i expect that they'd sign a formal alliance of defensive pact, since the relations between were good (at least in the pre-war years). I also think, that the Czechoslovaks could try to expand into Tseschen parts, the Poles seized in 1919 and into Orava and Spis, mostly inhabited by ethnic Slovaks.
I have a video idea for halloween, what if the black plague was a zombie virus?
I appreciate the new background music!
Video Idea: What if everything went perfect for the Axis, but on the way they make so many enemys that they finally still lose🎉🎉
honestly its an interesting alt history scenario, ive never seen a video on this before
Danzig will definitely return to Germany since they were the vast Majority in that region and also Poland really didn't need Danzig anymore since they already built a Port in Gdynia so yeah.
What if Germany Became a Part of Norway in 1938?
(Please do a what if everything went perfect for Norway scenario)
Germany probably wouldn't have a reason to invade Denmark.
If everything went perfect for Norway, then they would still be part of Sweden.
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what if everything went wrong for norway instead? (still occupied by sweden or denmark maybe)
It would be interesting if you could do what if everything for Romania went perfect just like you did to Bulgaria 😆
I think Romania had pretty much all the territory it had ever wanted during the interwar period, so maybe it could focus on how they could have kept all of it (somehow)?
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The jazz music in the background is pretty relaxing 😅
I think that if the war between the soviets and the germans start before 1950, the allies would help the germans, not by joining the war themselves, but by supplying the germans with food, guns, resources and etc, and also give them diplomatic support, as the Soviets would be a bigger threat then the germans, the soviets would have an larger population and would be on the way to be fully industrialized.
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These videos are really interesting but the choice of music makes them involuntarily comical
great video
Hallo nice video Dit is erg goed
That one dude who managed to watch this video before the video was even released:
When did UA-cam start censoring the words “Hitler” and “Nazi”to this degree. I saw first Cody having to use a different word for Hitler and now Possible History, what’s going on? What good does this do?
One thing the video is missing is that if France defended Czechoslovakia then the Soviet Union was bound to defend France as stipulated in Article 2 of the Franco-Soviet Treaty of Mutual Assistance which would in turn trigger the Czechoslovak-Soviet Treaty of Alliance. Which would theoretically bring the Soviets into the war and although the pact did have many flaws such as Poland and Romania denying similar defence pacts and blocking Soviet Millitary access, however at least some Soviets troops and equipment could be shipped to France (similar to Spanish Volunteers) and the Soviet Airforce might be granted at least limited access to Polish or Romanian airspace to fly to Czechoslovak airbases. This also leads to an interesting video idea that I have listed bellow as well as an explanation of the pact, why it failed and how this affect future Soviet policy.
Video Idea: What if the Franco-Soviet Treaty of Mutual Assistance was enforced in protection of Czechoslovakia. In OTL the British convinced the French to abandon the Czechs and hence the Czechoslovak-Soviet Treaty of Alliance could not be enforced as Soviets would only intervene if France declared war on Germany first, this was seen by the USSR as a betrayal and let to the abandonment of the Pro-Western Policy under Maxim Litvinov when he was replaced by Molotov.
i cant remember how many times i have heard about japan not getting french indochina in this channel
Babe wake up, possible history uploaded.
Ayy, another alternate history timeline where the Palace of the Soviets gets built! Always a 10/10 scenario in my books.
Also, *24:28* Also please, do not so gravely underestimate the USSR, not only does this war break out a few years later, meaning the Soviets had ample time to issue heavy military reforms and empower their already insane army, on top of how Germany is far weaker and less militarized in here. If anything, this war is more favourable for the USSR than the allies, in my eyes!
Wow it's just been posted , well , I'm not sure if it's gonna Kaiser Wilhelm II as Emperor , or another German prince claim , or if it's a german constitutional monarchy!
I could honestly see Germany moving towards a constitutional republic or closing off and focusing on autarky like spain did.
If anything a nationalist monarchist germany would be interested in reclaiming german speaking lands and populations.
Tensions would exist but since Germany and Italy were never really friends due to conflicting interests I don't see Monarchist Germany aligning with Italy as much.
It'd be interesting to see a German Czech partnership too where Germany reorganizes it's eastern allies and potentially goes to war with poland to build a bulwark against communism.
It really depends on if the person in charge has any kind of political savvyness. It should be clear to Germany that conflict in the west is undesirable so seeking improved relations with britain and/ or france should also be considered. Good video! Love theorizing!
omg monarch germany continuation!!
When is the next viewer vote video coming out?
good vid 👍
I like your videos!
Could you do a video about Germany dropping the first atomic bomb in the Second World War?
Thanks ^^
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6:40 WE WANT WHAT IF WW IN 1850
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Hey Possible History, when do you plan on making that post Cold War Viewers Decide video? Because it’s been a while since I took that survey, and I was just wondering.
Czechoslovakia decides to fight the germans in 1938 but gives up in 1940 when they try again. You could've dived into that a little bit. I also just don't see the west getting that directly involved in Japan to the point where they can't handle European affairs. Yes, I'm sure they'd give lots of guns to China, but if they saw Germany making moves, they would probably prioritize that. The west has proven in this timeline that if they stand up to Germany they can win. This would make them far more likely to do it again. Also, many of the eastern europeans wouldn't be nearly as intimidated by the Germans in this timeline, and I don't imagine them capitulating so easy. For example, Mr Horthy in Hungary kept very cordial relationships with the west, even during world war 2 to the best of his ability. He would not be the first to commit to the German alliance. Who then? The Yugoslavs? It just got sloppy at the end. The Bulgarians certainly would not, even in our timeline, they were committed to only providing "occupation forces" for a time. There is no timeline where the British don't try to defend the greeks. Honesltly. Even in our timeline, Hitler was very concered about the Polish Romanian alliance. I think the willpower of this states to stick up to Germany would certainly increase in this timeline.
"What if EVERYTHING went PERFECT for Italy" when?
What if the Hungarian Soviet Republic *somehow* won the Hungarian-Romanian War
I would love a what If everything went perfect for x after a certain point series.
For example, what if everything went perfect for Germany after 1917
It is just the real timeline until 1917, where changes can be made I would like to know if ot was even possible to win after that point
Idea:What if the first Chinese republic under sun yat sen survived?
Video Idea: "What if everything went perfectly for Germany after losing WW1" Wairmar Version, Kaiser Version, moderat Nazi version
We wouldnt have our favourite Austrian painter.
Please do every modern empire it has been 8 months
Beautiful music
25 minutes PH episode????? nice
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3:29 did you just Yezhovd that guy??
What do you use to make your maps?
It's nice to have a good story tooo
you prolly wont see this but i have a cool vid idea: What if the Carnation Revolution failed? (Carnation Revolution was in PORTUGAL)
I'm just here for the smooth jazz
While I appreciate the effort it took to make a video on this highly interesting alt-history scenario, I strongly disagree with much of the analysis. 1) the Oster Conspiracy had very high level support, not only in the army (ex. Witzleben), but in various ministries (Weizsäcker), the intelligence service (Canaris) and the national bank (Schacht). They would almost certainly have had the institutional clout to stage a full coup. 2) This is not the Germany of 1939, 40 or 41. The Regime and its various structures are much weaker, the nation as a whole not yet fully "gleichgeschaltet". The number of fully indoctrinated fanatics was not yet that high, and most families were still traumatized by WW1. There was widespread skepticism about picking a fight with the allies over something as trivial as the Sudentenland. If the Regime did start a war with the Czechs, a historically very close people to the Germans, thereby causing another Weltkrieg, there is good reason to believe that no amount of propaganda would have secured popular support for the conflict. A regime change "for peace" would have been welcomed by a plurality, or even a majority. 3) the Blomberg-Fritsch Affair earlier that year had greatly angered a large number of Wehrmacht officers who, faced with being sent off into an unwinnable war, would have jumped at any excuse to legimitately refuse their suicidal orders. Again, there is good reason to believe the vast majority of the Wehrmacht would have sided with - or at least not opposed - the coup. This is also why Churchill was desperately trying to get Chamberlain to call Hitler's bluff, as he had a much clearer understanding of the mood and politics within the Wehrmacht of 1938. 4) Supporting the conspirtators by standing firmly with Czechoslovakia would have been the absolutely correct move for Britain's grand strategy, as it's main issue was being challenged in three theatres simultaneously by three powers (Germany in the North and West, Italy in the Mediterranean and East Africa and Japan in Asia). If they could reset relations with Germany to neutral and work out a new modus vivendi in the aftermath of a Wehrmacht coup, they could remove the by far greatest of the three threats, thus massively improving their geostrategic position - at almost no cost in blood and treasure. Tl,dr: the Oster Conspiracy had a very reasonable chance of success, both for assassination and beyond, and it would have been much better for everyone if France and Britain had stood by the Czechs in 1938, even based solely on information available to them at the time.
Lol yeah ok Churchill the man known for being in the pocket of a group along with other high ranking men in the UK pushing for war. Nothing like hearing people keep quoting one of the biggest warmongers in human history who killed millions of Indians via starvation
Day 7 of asking for the “Ottomans reforming” or “what if the ottomans reformed”.
Lore of What if Germany Became a Monarchy in 1938? Momentum 100
May I suggest that you use a different colour than blue, like red or yellow, when you use the entente or allies in combination with a black germany on a map because it is difficult to differenciate them and keep them seperate!
Honestly leaving the Danzig corridor is a good idea to not upset the poles. Mostly Poles lived in the corridor and gives Poland access to sea. They would've been Germany's greatest allies against Soviets. Germany has always been way more successful than Russia so it's no brainer that Germans after all would have more influence on the Polish than the Russians. Germany's greed towards Polish land destroyed itself.
I think a video on what if the 1525 peasant revolts succeeded could be interesting, the revolt was caused by many peasants interpreting Luther’s call for new religious interpretations as a call for new political relations between the peasants nobles and church. The result of this divergence would be a big south German Protestant republic from ~1530 onwards. Maybe the divergence would be Luther siding with the peasants and not choosing to follow a solely religious reformation.
The position of temporary leader of the opposition forces after H-man's assassination would likely fall to someone like August von Mackensen, Ludwig Beck, Alexander von Falkenhausen, or possibly someone like Otto Gessler (at least in the civilian sector)
day 9 of asking "what if everything went perfect for italy"
What made the Soviets delay their plans by 4 years, until 1943? I don't think that lack of an aggressive Germany would stop them, consodering how hellbent they were on reclaiming the Russian Empire
Day 10 of asking for “what if everything went perfect for the Ottomans” or “what if the ottomans modernised”
Day 35 of asking for 'what if everything went perfect for Australia'.
Video idea as a german: what if Princess Diana coup'd the British Governmenr / Monarchy
Idea: what if the polytechnic uprising of 1974 turned out way worse? (Like a civil war occurs)