Tragedy of an Unsatiated Karennazi | Carmilla | Netflix Castlevania
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Camilla is Karen LoL
Yet she hids and cower behind Dracula, LoL. While plotting to take over him, yea exactly the same as Reality.
Carmilla is a wonderfully believable character, angry, hurt, but powerful, and determined to never feel weak again,
I love the fact that Carmilla isn't likable. The writers _know_ she isn't likable, and play into it.
She starts in the series at the top of her world with ambitions to expand. She ends her role at the bottom, betrayed by everyone and scraping up whatever dignity she can salvage.
Her pettiness in killing herself rather than a man ending her, perfectly illustrates how she didn’t go mad like “stupid old men”. But rather, went mad with hate. So much so that her hate blinded her from self-preservation and making smarter decisions. Even if she had conquered the world, she probably wouldn’t have kept it for long. There is a reason no singular person has been able to successfully conquer the world. Apart from more obvious reasons, hypothetically, one couldn’t magnate it all on their own. It would all fall apart with help too, everyone would be vying for power, for control. Us witnessing Carmilla’s plans fall apart due to betrayal and too many variables to control shows us she wouldn’t have been “Queen of the world” for long. Someone or something would have deposed her, even if she had succeeded.
She was who she hated... and everyone hates people like that.
You can't salvage what you never had. Sad, stupid little girl, to the end.
Idk but i like her 😂
"But everything changed when Isaac attacked" was the vibe I got from the invasion moment
It just fits so well
literal "Isaac nation"
isaac pulled up with the consequences of her actions
I think the irony is that she hates "stupid old men" but is a "stupid old woman" being just as blind to the consequences as those she hates
Exactly!
carmilla is not old neither is she stupid, she is hurt and abused
I mean, Hector may have became a simp to Lenore, but all the torture he’d endured from Carmilla and Lenore merely justified what was stirring in the back of his mind: avenging Dracula’s betrayal, and righting a wrong to atone for his mistakes. His humiliation by Carmilla and her sisters made him shed his naive views quickly, and he’d become a man more observant of the harsh realities one could suffer in life. Ironically, he’d been chained and tortured, treated like a dog. Not too different from how he’d treated some of the night creatures he’d made, like that undead dog for example. But, Lenore and Carmilla made the mistake of getting bitten. Issac arriving to simply slaughter her and all the Vampires to conquer the northern region certainly didn’t help Carmilla either. A bit ironic that it wasn’t Dracula, or the main trio of Trevor, Sypha, and Alucard that did her in. But rather two Forgemasters loyal to Dracula. By the end they don’t even avenge her betrayal as servants to their master, but rather fiends who wish to right a wrong and set the world straight from the fallout of Dracula’s death.
She was lucky... or probably unlucky, that she could never see herself in the mirror because if she did she might've seen the men she hated so much staring back at her.
She’s not old though , she can’t age
I feel like a minority, because I absolutely loved her the second she walked on to the scene. The only reason I wasn't mad she lost to Isaac is because of how awesome Issac is as a character.
& that's 100% your right. You don't have to like or dislike any character based on the majority audiences outlook.
I found her extremely entertaining and funny. Easily the best source of comedy on the show. Just the way they animated her facial expressions, body language, as well as the extremely serious and seductive voice sometimes just dropping all the pretence like when Dracula's castle teleported all over the place and she asked ''What the fuck just happened?''
I never could get myself to dislike her either. Yeah she's an insane misandrist, but in a highly amusing way. Part of me wishes she'd have ripped Isaac in half just because he was such an ungodly Mary Sue who never struggled a single second in the entire series, while characters like Carmilla and Hector spent three seasons building themselves up and still got nowhere.
oh how I loved her. she was stubborn like my grandma. and I loved her death scene, what a queen. ain't no one going to kill her except her. ah loved it
Nah, she was cool, but she was still c*nty. Know what I mean? I even rooted for her in case she had an arc, but I guess the arc was being c*nty never pays off? Likable in the devilish way, but never fixes her act.
Unpopular opinion...Hector isn't simp. He just was Naive. Naive enough to believe Lenore is on his side. But how he acted afterward, once he had gained some kind of Comfort and safety (as comfortable as a slave could feel) he treated Lenore as an equal and not as goddesses whose feet are there to be licked at. He joked about her and laughed at what she said. And finally, when she decided to commit suicide, he did not try desperately to hold her back or convince her that he loved her because he had no reasons. He respected her decision and let her go. Idk but for me it's definition of not being simp. Saint Germain was a Simp (still one of my favorite characters anyway XD)
the way you put it makes sence and i agree if he was a simp he would try to convince Lenore, witch i thought he would do cause i thought he was a simp.
Very well put, definitely
This Hector was more of a naive doormat and less of a simp. He should've been a new character based on how you described him. Same with Isaac.
he was a loser fag in the series. awful letdown.
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Well, I've only ever seen the animated series so, I can't give a good comparison, but he seems alright if we isolate the show from the games
I didn't hate carmilla in the series, wish they went more into her backstory about the abuse she went through
Same here, they made her detestable without giving true context
I thought they purposely didn't because then they would run the risk of making her a sympathetic villan. The display of her character seemed more geared towards a pure evil villain.
Idk, I just...am UA-cam friendly 😊✌️❤️💛💚🦁🍻🤬🤝. "I'm not going to f you Carmilla! I'm too pissed off." 😏 This is the best video about karenazis. For real, we deal with this constantly in America. Staying UA-cam friendly 🤙
@@Infinitebrandon Virgin
@@bookwormfor365 I assumed it was because she'd be giving a very colored version of events, given her nature here...
Awesome vid. Your Issac vid was good too. I think Carmilla was a perfect villain become she is so similar to Issac. Both are people who were treated horribly because of who they are and became intelligent, powerful and cruel in return. But both were asked the question "And then what or will this make you happy?" after they get what they want. Issac decided to move past his hatred and wants to use his power to make life better, while Carmilla choose to keep her hatred and wanted to cause more pain. Issac won and Carmilla lost everything she earned and had taken for granted.
Appreciate you dude and couldn’t agree more with your summary.
That is brilliant writing. Excellent summary
Absolutely loathed her. But do see her motivations. Don't agree or condone any but see. She wanted tower against her abusers and eventually became the monster she hated . ironic. Kind of the whole story. Everyone on repeating cycles until you think and find your own path .
Did chuckle at that last min Karen ree, because Issiac didn't even give her a last monologue. (Obv Issiac fan)
Literally the whole theme of this series was "Don't let your past make you" & we see who heeded that and who didn't.
Hm.
It’s like the cycle of abuse: her Sire turned her and severely abused her (she called him cruel, she’s cruel, so if Carmilla calls someone cruel then I wonder just how badly her Sire was to her especially if she still has nightmares that plague her mind many nights, prolly another reason that led to her hate of men-I’d assume it’s pretty hard to heal from such abuse if you have nightmares of them all the time it’s kind of hard to forget it and move past it), Carmilla manipulated and took Hector and abused him badly, but thankfully Hector seems to have broken the cycle of abuse he didn’t let Carmilla’s cruelty towards him affect how he would grow as a person
100%
Well what's weird is that in her talk with Godbrand where we see her flashback of her killing the guy, she said he promised her the world, but then just turned into a ''mad cruel old man''. So it didn't seem like an abusive relationship from the start. More just severe disappointment, like a spoiled princess who didn't get what she was promised because daddy promised more than he could deliver.
Carmilla is actually my favorite villains in the show because she's such a hypocrite! She hates Dracula and how he runs things because he's an old man that's lost his mind due to grief, but she ends up making the same mistakes as him cause she's an old woman that lost her mind to her hunger for power. Her grief over what a man did to her shaped her and was her undoing.
She was delusional stupid and a little crazy but keeping all of that aside
She got the style and the strength of a true ruler
I wouldn't say she was stupid because she is clever. Her execution of her schemes were just poor.
@@KaizokuSleven well lets think a little
1 its possible in there world to bring back the dead.
2 there are people stronger then her in this world ( alucard and his gang)
3 she started treating hector like shit when all he ever wanted to help her
I know he is a little naive but she could have easily used him .
now think Dracula is resurrected and he figures out who betrayed him
She was crazy .
@@nikhilparaggarapinhilik4733 True but Necromancy seems to not be a skill that Vampires can accomplish. This is why Issac & Hector were the only humans in his court who were forgemasters. Her Treatment of Hector was in her nature, she's a manipulator and deceiver but lacked the patience to cooperate.
@@KaizokuSleven yeah true but in the end neither the two forgemaster resurrected Dracula it was done by a mage who was manipulated by death
The way she treated hector was not just stupid
For example you know a person who can give you everything you ever wanted what will you do with that person ha I bet your first reaction won't be to beat the shit out of him
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When She entered in Dracula's Castle, She was definetly going to see the menager
Its really fascinating to see castlevania's take on vampires and vampiric nature.
Carmilla was turned and inducted into the vampire world, and took control of styria itself. Vampires are a naturally quarrelsome and fractious bunch yet carmilla takes the cake. She subverts and betrays all above her in the dash to the top, and the various hardships that styria had come through gave her a mad obsession, an entitlement even, to rule the world. She believes that she deserves it all and any who would have any opposition to this are man children. She abused and alienated hector, a key part to the plan, she got 90% of her army killed and she left the rest to her sisters. Lenore works her magic and morana and striga begin the campaign but she moves the goalposts and dooms the project. Finally the last, least interesting person in draculas court, the one she couldn't manipulate arrived with the consequences of her actions, and all her sisters end up accepting the need for her death. Isaac killing her was a good and necessary act, but the plan wouldn't have lasted. The humans were beginning to recognise what the styrians were, and more and more humans, hunters and, demons help them, belmonts would have kept coming. But she couldn't see that, and all that was left at the end was a mad old woman.
👏 Well put
Carmilla only lasted so long because of her sisters, who were doing most of the job for her. It's usually the person who thinks they are the smartest in the room who are the dumbest.
After seeing her being overly sexualized, yeah I think the anime's take is better. She means trouble and as much as I hate her it makes her awesome.
She's still very much sexual and attractive in the Netflix adaptation. Just not cringy sexual, if that makes sense.
I honestly think she’s more complex that we make her out to be
Extremely unpopular opinion: Carmilla was shaped by the violence she endured and became a violent person because of it. anyways great video
Not unpopular. I think most of us understand that she is scarred and therefore took the extreme route in retaliation.
You almost feel bad for her at some points
Morana and Striga actually mention in S3 that Carmilla still has nightmares of her time from the abuse, so it's actually a defining part of her character and her motivations. She needs to take from the old men before they can take from her.
Dracula, Isaac, Hector, and Carmilla are cut from the same cloth. They were all consumed by their rage and their hatred that they just had to keep feeding it (feeding the power that Lenore mentions in S4E10). Isaac and Hector, however, grew past it.
Dracula and Carmilla could not. Perhaps in another world Carmilla could have found her Lisa, but that's the wonderful world of Castlevania for you.
It’s not unpopular opinion and was implied not long after her introduction
Well he explain that in the video so is not so unpopular as you think
Your editing is getting better an better! I loved her as a villain even if I hated her most of the time.
Appreciate it dude! Been taking some constructive criticism on my content and apply it, sounds like it’s working. I feel the same way about Carmilla lol
She's Cersei Lannister if she became a vampire and its glorious. My favourite character in the show
Hard agree that she told on herself within five minutes of turning up and liked this analysis :D it just seems to miss the message about Carmilla made by the diplomatic stability vs overt power discussion that Lenore had with Hector towards the end after Isaac was done cleaning house like a badass. The sisters were fine, seemed to be living the high life (or... unlife? I guess?) and had turned Styria into their own efficient little fiefdom, before Carmilla wouldn't be satisfied and kept pushing wider ambitions. Carmilla is a villain and a textbook 'Karen', yes, but she's also a tragic character in that her flaws (i.e. her power hunger) lead to her downfall, and deliberately so, because she's so willing to move fast and burn things just for more hard power that she overextends and flames out without her sisters, who are more interested in stability and tbh much more interesting than a vampiric Cersei-alike. She's a '#girlboss' of the worst variety in that she's also a huge dumbass about it at times, and if she'd just recognised the value of what she already had with Styria, she'd have been fine.
The misandry just seems to be the lie she tells herself to justify her own actions, rather than admitting she just wants hard/overt power because she got hurt by someone more powerful than her once and is (rightly) terrified of it ever happening again. She still wants to be able to frame herself as the victim of 'stupid, evil old men' despite the fact that she's now doing exactly what they did to her. Even villains don't want to feel like they're the bad guys in their own stories I suppose. :') That said I'm loving your character/media analysis videos so far :D
Your assessment is on point & appreciate you for checking out the content. Stay tuned for more
I gotta say Carmilla was a very interesting character (albeit everyone in the show was well-written), but Carmilla’s power & intelligence was born from the hatred of the man who abused her, then ironically that same hatred led to her downfall.
@@montenegroafro4454 It's also no excuse. She's 400+ years old. Being abused by one guy doesn't excuse 400+ years of abuse inflicted on thousands of innocents.
Carmilla and Isaac are much better in the animation rather than their game incarnations! And they're such great counterparts for each other. Carmilla really let her hate and past defines her, while Isaac slowly became better version of himself. Initially, I really confused why Isaac looks very different from the game, but the writing and his development as character really wins me over
Another interesting thing about Isaac. Him being a general to Dracula, shows he is cunning and very intelligent. Even from what little he learned watching Carmilla and witnessing her motives play out, he’d devised a plan over the months it took for him to arrive to her castle, in order to take her out. Isaac knew he stood little chance against her in direct combat alone. So he threw large hordes of monsters at her, constantly, until she’d tire from the unrelenting onslaught. Vampires can have very high stamina, but even Carmilla has limits. By the time Isaac reached Caimilla at the top floor, all he’d need to do was attack with his hordes and kill a tired Carmilla when a vital opening was available. His time as a Forgemaster no doubt gave him extensive knowledge on human and vampire pressure/weak points to exploit.
Isaac was changed too radically though. Should've been an original character.
As hinted between Hector and Lenore, Carmilla represented a Vampire's hunger, never satisfied
honestly, I wish people would make more essays about her. I do love her as a villain. I don't personally see her as a "Karen" (maybe at least in a traditional sense) but someone who at first was trying to fight back but ended up losing sight of what she was building for her family and lost herself to greed. I wish though they did show more of her backstory cause it would be interesting to know how the other male vampires treated them aside from the one dialogue
There's a Dextor's Lab episode where Dextor repeatedly calls Dee-Dee "Stupid", and I can't help but hear his voice whenever I see that "stupid old men," scene. Just Carmilla saying in Dextor's voice, "And you are stupid! Because you are stupid!" Big reason is because the way she says, "stupid" has almost the same inflection that he says, "stupid".
I thought Carmilla played brlliantly her role as an antagonist, and I found especially interesting how someone so entitled, who reacted to pain and abuse to turn herself into a cruel and manipulative abuser convinced she always knows best and can do no wrong, ultimately found her demise by the hands of Isaac, who on the other hand kept questioning himself until he eventually grew into a better man.
Carmilla being clearly portrayed as a selfish and narcissistic villain, I was fine with her characterization and shallow and faulty logic.
The tragicomic fact is that in many modern media an unlikeable and negative character like her would often be presented instead as a "strong female character", but luckily that was not the case in Castlevania.
I feel sorry for Carmilla. She was made into who she was due to trauma. That old man didn't just promise her the world and not deliver, he used her as a slave to do whatever he pleased, including SA.
I think her hatred for men would have been more justified if they showed a greater inequality. Like make her the only female councel member. Show that she has a reason for her hate. We only got her 1 flashback where we just see her kill someone and tell us he was creul to her. Show us more instences where she is being mistreated because she is a women.
Greater inequality? Not much needs to be shown that is already greatly known in the real world.
She wakes up screaming after nightmares she still has from her former master. After probably centuries! She clearly has PTSD and after such a long time living with this damage it became normal for her to be so terrified of domination from men, as well as hating men, as any men is a potential abuser in her eyes. It is totally irrational, but so are fears. She sees some similiarities to her abuser and she directly connects the other attributes to him, like having a penis is enough to also attribute cruelty, sexism, crazy. She can't comprehend it any other way, it became her world view. Anything that reminded her of her former master made her sick.
She was a victim and after centuries of her fears and pain rotting in her she became totally crazy and a feral monster. A totally evil person!
The majority of those vampire women are implied to have an especially difficult time as they are turned by male vampires and are effectively just used and abused by them. If they manage to get away from or overpower the male vampires that turned them they still get treated badly by other male vampires. She mentioned in the series that when she and her quartet were in anger none of them helped the women. They tolerate the female generals but don’t seem to give them full respect.
@@candicefrost4561 I do think you have a point, but I still think they should have shown, not tell. We never really see any sexsism. I think they should have shown a female general have an idea and being totaly ignored for example. And for the females being turned by males. That was only carmilla and her sisters. It is never inplied that all female vampires are turned by males.
I don't know; men generally don't see inequality because, generally, we are used to seeing men in positions of power. The fact that most of Dracula's court was male says plenty, though most of Carmila's court, while the quartet were all women, seemed generally well adjusted as far as vampires go. Just, Carmila didn't. She was the ambitious one with the plan and set up a system that put her firmly at the top, justifying her greed with her turma and hate when the quartet had never been formed for that purpose, just as with all things Carmila took charge and weaponised it.
Carmlia's turma isn't ever meant to make her a sympathetic character, unlike Hector or Issac, it's a justification for her entire unchanging worldview. She built a good system that could've stood the test of time, like Issac seemed to intend on doing when he rebuilt a town thoughtfully for the future; instead, she sought to weaponize everything to get more of everything because someone else owned it. Even her sisters were something for her to take ownership of by manipulation or power. Hence I don't think more examples of sexism were actually needed; we see it enough in real life to know how bad it can get that even Godbrand just saw her as nothing more than an object to lust after, but rather it set the tone for a person who was unable to define themselves, except in what they hated.
I can never watch her trying(horrifically failing) to manipulate dracula during the second season without losing my ability to breathe knowing full well that he’s aware of what she is doing but doesn’t have a single fuck left to give about her so just let’s her carry on
A thing that I might add if I remember correctly is that Carmillas personality and hateful behavior stems from the abuse and probably torture she endure by her former master. For that matter her past trauma clearly informs her motive, actions, and behavior towards men which feed the narrative of the cicle of hate found in the series
Agreed, it would've helped if they showcased some of this mistreatment so the audience can sympathize more with her erratic behavior.
@@KaizokuSleven @Kaizoku Sleven Also didn't help your "breakdown" of her character was "Feminism|Karen goes bbbbbbbbbbbrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr" throughout the entirety of it.
@@KaizokuSleven plus her sister mentioned she still has nightmares of her sire’s abuse. Carmilla is a very cruel person, but for her to call someone else cruel makes you wonder just how viscous and horrible her Sire was to her? That would’ve made for a good Castlevania episode I do wish we got to see just how bad her Sire treated her and was shown the Generals more because we don’t have backstories for them I think? We should’ve been shown some mistreatment of women in the council because those vampire women weren’t lucky like Lisa was to meet a respectful man like Vlad that she came to love, so it’s like I do wish we saw mistreatment and sexism between Dracula’s male and female generals and Dracula stepping in every once in a while (which could be one of a few reasons why the Cho and the other female general stayed because Vlad was respectful in some sense, you know what I mean????), and Carmilla still saw him as a cruel old man because she didn’t witness this and only witnessed a side of Dracula where he was suicidal
Have you considered that there is no sexism? We see literally nobody perpetrate it in four entire seasons. Have you considered that was the point? I didn't see Cho whining about sexism. We never see Lisa doing it, or Sypha, or Greta, or anyone else, man or woman. We see quite literally not a single soul make even just a poor joke picking on women. Hell, we see a lot more sexism towards men in that regard, specifically from Sypha and Carmilla.
That's not an accident. That's storytelling. It's showing us that Carmilla is an insane, manipulative abuser who still fashions herself a victim to justify her atrocities to herself. There is no sexism. Carmilla is imagining that shit. There's zero sexism or racism in the entirety of the show besides from those completely random and extremely trashly written ESG score bait guys at the start of S3 who start being racist to Isaac for no reason because Warren Ellis has subtly admitted to hating white men and enjoying hearing their cry in anguish (yes he actually did that, so it explains why they kept spawning random racist white dudes for Isaac to brutalize). But besides that, you got 1400s Eastern Europe stuffed to the brim with black and brown people, men and women, and nobody ever says a word about it. Everyone is unrealistically tolerant, more so than even in our own world. Carmilla is just a crybaby.@@nataliawashington872
I see carmilla as a joffreyesque character, someone who is meant to be hated by the viewer, so unredeemable that it becomes entertaining to watch the lunacy.
6:09 honestly Dracula is very clever and smart I’m sure he knew Carmilla’s scheming was different from the other generals but at that point like Alucard said this whole war was the world’s longest suicide note, he just didn’t care and wanted to die already so he didn’t stop her that’s why it was so easy to convince him to teleport his castle to Braila. The only reason Carmilla got one up on Dracula was because he let her, had Lisa still been alive and Dracula not been suicidal then Dracula would’ve took care of Carmilla quickly, and because he’s smart, not in a way that would lose the trust of his generals.
Carmilla just wanted Dracula's castle since it was a literal moving fortress. The thing literally could be teleported to wherever she needed to drop her forces. Not to mention, the act of its teleportation was also very destructive.
RIP deer.
Damn you summed her up really well 15:20
🙏😌 I aim to please
The ironic thing is that in the end when Carmilla self-destructed proclaiming that she won, she didn't understand that "winning" in Carmilla's sense wasn't Isaac's sense of "winning". She believed he wanted to kill her, dominate her, be victorious OVER her... but that just wasn't Isaac. He simply wanted to stop her, to kill her, and to end her ravenous ambition from destroying the world. He didn't care if she died at his hands or at the hands of the demons he brought with him, all that mattered to him was that her ambitions stopped there and then... and they did. So while he may not have the glory lording over her as she bleed out in the pool of blood like she wished to lord over the rest of the world, ultimately Isaac didn't care because he didn't come to conquer, he came to stop her from making the same terrible mistake that Dracula was going to do... so that the past can rest and he could finally find the future that Dracula sacrificed everything to give him, his friend, the chance to find.
Carmilla I think illustrates that, just because a villain has a tragic past, doesn't mean you're automatically obligated to feel sorry for them. Because, even though there was an understandable reason for Carmilla being evil, it was still HER choice to take the actions she did.
But in a weird and somewhat contradicting way, I feel more sorrow for Dracula, yet he took similar extreme actions in the face of his tragic past. I wonder why that is. I don't think it's because he's more relatable than Carmilla, cause I can perfectly understand BOTH of their motives. So, what is it that distinguishes these two? Perhaps it's that Dracula's actions were motivated by a retaliation in the wake of the loss of a loved one, and Carmilla's is spiteful revenge for something that happened to her personally.
I may hat carmilla but you have to admit Jaime Murray did a bloody brilliant job
Oh for sure!
I just realized even Carmilla couldn’t walk in heels for a month 😂 she took Hectors boots
YUP lol!
Carmilla's death was satisfying, and when she committed suicide, it wasn't bad ass- it was a coward's tactic of rage quitting.
For all her Karen-esque ways I think her self-destructing instead of just committing self-deletion is kinda badass but hey multiple perspectives are needed.
A fitting end to such an indecisive coward.
You do not get a chance to repeat that sentence again,cuz man you would be puking out lies on lie and on top of more lies,who the fuck went into dracula's fucking council and straight up asked that depressed,suicidal Dracula "why didn't you turn your wife?"Did any of the other generals dare to speak about it,she was the only bag of meat in that council to ask a question that could have ended her life in a second and you call that a coward?Who went straight up full speed on Isaac as soon as he said he was gonna kill her?Did YOU? Cuz i know your sweaty,fat,lazy,ass that has been cut from:back to neck to abdomen and thigh would tremble and quiver with fear trying to get out (like a fucking coward) and scratching at the wall like a dying cat.She was the only one who thought that she has had enough when she was most likely being played by her master as a sex doll (i know if you were her you would just lie there and take it) but she was the "coward" who threw him through a glass window making sure his head is off his shoulders.When you go against something like that and more,than that can you call the rejection of satisfaction that her enemy would have enjoyed,COWARDICE.
I love lords of Shadow and would happily watch a retrospective
At first, I had always described Carmilla as ambitious. But in Season 3 and 4, I realized that it's not ambition that drives her. It's envy.
She had everything that any vampire could want. A castle. An army. Territory. Plenty of humans to drink blood from, and above all that, a family.
But Carmilla wasn't satisfied with just that - she wanted more. First, it was just taking advantage of the weakened state of Eastern Europe and take over the land between Styria and Braila. A feat that she was in no position to accomplish. But before they could even start, she started wanting to just take over the world. Not because it was necessary. Or because it would make her happy. Or even if she really cares. It's because she wants to kill all the "stupid, evil old men" and take all that they have. Carmilla coveted what those she saw as inferior had. She was jealous of them. The very definition of Envy.
She hate old, cruel and mad men and she ended up turning into an old, cruel and mad woman
no matter how unlikable her character is, i still see the appeal of her being a villain
Who wants to see carmilla
Destroy the Vampire patriarchy?? Not me.
I'm sorry but when Camilla said none of you are big enough to kill me that said more about her vulnerability and character than anything she's a product of abusive egotistical males she came out on the other side stronger than before although toxic and she refuses to ever be controlled again she wants power because she knows what it's like to be subjugated to someone else she's still a bad person but I have a lot of empathy for her when she said none of you were big enough for me that just broke my little heart that said a lot about her character and where she was coming from
Oh my God your whole alpha hierarchy thing is so toxic and male oriented that you were the last person that should ever talk about a femme fatale who came from abuse like Camilla
Indeed, she is a product of Sexism and abuse. Leading her to take the extreme route in retaliation to combat her trauma for potenially hundreds of years
Lol that's funny
You should really consider using a period
@@thanhavictus because how I punctuate something determines if my point is valid or not? Lmao get outta here
this channel is oddly addictive. good work on your videos man
Many people absolutly dont like Carmilla, and so did i for a long time. But then i watched that one scene where she explains her motivations, how she was tormented by men, left for dead by all the other vampire lord, she started to go insane by sheer rage, becoming mad and cruel herself, manipulated her own sisters into believing in her mad dreams and it becomes clear, that she cannot be healed. People say she was overly ambitous, but that isnt all. She was a victim of her time and exactly what the men around her had made her. She was a hopeless warrior and a hero in her own story, and in the end, her only mistake was not to look to others. Only herself
100%, I only wish that the writer put more into showcasing all a good amount of this trauma so the audience could empathize with her character turnout more.
Perfectly said, a great explanation of what her character was about.
The trio would not have won if it weren't for a vampire civil war, so it's actually a good thing she did all she did
That is a real possibility but given how they handled themselves in the final battle in Season 4? I think they would've wiped the floor with her and her forces.
Naw bru, if Dracula didn't let himself be killed after seeing his sons room, nobody would have survived.
@@whyisotrash-O921O5 1,000% facts, if Dracula didn't willingly die? Everyone would've caught an L
The fact that Carmilla was so hated proved that they did the character well. The people complaining about her man hate, I mean she's a clear-cut misandrist and what drove her there from her dialogue, she has been on the receiving end of abuse from a lot of the men in her life causing her trauma and it fueled her disdain and loathing of them. So it's not like her man-hate came out of nowhere and I think that was good instead of just making her misandrist just for the sake of it. And I think it's brilliant how they mixed both the novel version of her and the game version of her into one character like you highlighted in the video, it made it feel like a nice middle ground of her origins.
Perhaps I am biased because I have looked into what goes into female socialization and how in a lot of cultures it ties to women having to submit to men and that is what makes me understand the character of Carmilla here. And since she is a powerful vampire, it only makes even more sense since why she is the way she is since she can physically defend herself. Am I saying that her man-hate is right? No. But I appreciate how they play around with this idea for the character and show how it can be toxic to where she was behaving like the very kind of sex she loathes so much, it was a good weakness that made her downfall so believable. Like you know when your right hand partners start losing faith in you (her sisters), you know you're losing your sanity in most situations.
In my opinion, Carmilla was awesome in the series. Yes even if her goal came off stupid because she didn't even know or cared what she wanted, it was realistic in the sense that sometimes some people are so driven by power that they don't know what they'd do when they get what they want.
Very True & that's why I give her credit for being a great villain.
I honestly understood where she was coming really because I too was filled with rage for a very long and had to tame it before it destroyed me but she couldn't and wouldn't do that hence her death
it is cool once a while found new channels that has same ideas and think some same things about great shows and characters :D Only sad thing is that didnt find it sooner
i wouldn't say she is a Karen just an extreme feminist.
Carmilla somehow managed to simultaneously be the worst of top executives and middle management at the same time.
I mean, she can draw on the maps as much as she wants. Her plans kinda fell apart when her logistics person was like "fuck, Europe is big"
And then *here comes Isaac doo doo doo doo*
You’d be surprised how many of her Stans overlooked all of this just because I called her a vampire Karen.
I Stan her. But like evil Stan.
"I am nothing but ambition."
Carmilla was a badass, she may have been a dreamer and a bitch at times, but she was badass.
I can understand that
Agreed
I love Carmilla. The feminazi part was a bit awkward, but for me ir works.
What killed the series for me was the fact Grant wasn't even involved.
I've seen some discussions where people are saying that The Captain is supposed to be Grant but....I'm not buying it
@@KaizokuSleven Some were saying that it was one of the background crew...I doubt it
I'm convinced Greta is meant to be a gender bent version of Grant.
Grant DeNasty
Greta of Denasti
I hated her, till season 3 and 4. Now I love her lol.
What'd you love about her? lol
He liked her badass attitude
Mega mind meme:"No Dicks?".
😂
11:17 my man ain’t no simp yo, he pulled the uno reverse card and was planning on wiping them into oblivion but Isaac changed his plan, yea he was gullible cuz the writer didn’t liked hector but not a simp…
Mmmmm nah...He a simp or better yet a gullible man-child. He only pulled that move in Season 4 because he was cornered as a result of his irresponsibility for his decision making as an adult.
Omgosh. I'm so slow. She really did just tell on herself in the first five minutes of her appearance... WOW.
Amazing video my guy really enjoy your castlevania series
Reckon you'll do more analysis videos when Castlevania Nocturne drops?
Oh for sure! Looking forward to doing it & glad to hear you enjoyed the series breakdowns.
Even though I didn't vote for her, the video was still worth waiting for. 👍
Yea I know…maybe down the line I can do Trevor even though I feel there are a thousand videos on him(I’m exaggerating lol)
I think she was created to be hated to criticize the ridiculousness of extremist feminism and the hypocrisy of talking of man as evil but they are the same hate in reverse and also sometimes use the same words that sexists decades ago used to describe women.
One example is a woman hitting a man in the street and to be justified by saying "Well, he probably did something." thats oddly familiar...
I think she is a logical consequence of women who survive abuse but have been shaped by it to the point where they can only become their abuser (which ironically gives those abusers power in a very personal way).
Lenore: “He’s good at sex. I’m gonna train him.”
Carmilla feigning disgust her inner thoughts: “Interesting.” 🤔 😉
😂😂
KAREN????😂😂❤
I object, I think the highlighting feature of this lady is her unbridled ambition. The question she made on Dracula concerning his wife was a very daring moving, I feel dracula could've explained, nearly easily, if he weren't in grief.
Dracula was dumb on his part because he absolutely underestimated Carmilla. That's where she gained the upper hand in everything. Much like Cerci from G.O.T, Carmilla is THAT B*tch
YOU GET IT, finally someone that gets it😭
Karens you roll your eyes at. Karens are an annoyance. Karens ruin your day. Karens are self absorbed and entitled. Carmila on the other hand, you don’t roll your eyes at and she is not an annoyance. She is a terror. She is an ambitious power-hungry monster who doesn’t feel entitled, but she feels malice towards anyone ever controlling her again. She wants power above all else.
Karens want to talk to the manager…
"hector needing to be cowed" is a little ridiculous at that point
One of the things I take much schadenfreude in regards to her fate is that I believe part of her corpse was used in making the homunculus that would house Dracula and Lisa's souls, for Saint Germaine to control. The female hand was wearing one of the soul binding rings, and I really want that arm to have belonged to Carmillas as they could have just picked it up off the ground while still wearing the ring Linnore gave her.
Then in the end of the series this make shift body meant to be a prison to these two souls is suddenly turned in to a second chance for Lisa and Dracula to live happy lives. I love the idea that for all the nastiness Carmilla spouted, the hatred and vitriol she had for Dracula and his wife, fragments of her own corpse was used in giving Dracula and Lisa a happy ending. After everything she did, from taking the cowards way out and kill herself to avoid being killed by Issac, a mortal man of color whom she considered beneath her, her own remains were used to bring back the Lord of Vampires and his wife. As well as manipulating and lying to Hector who only wanted to see the good in everyone, even vampires.
I hope her soul is being tormented even more in hell than it already was after death, knowing that every decision she made eventually led to the happy ending of the man whom she hated and his wife whom she looked down upon.
Rest in Shit Carmilla, you nazi pice of garbage.
Interesting take on the events of Season 4. Althought I don't think it was her corpse because she self-destructed so no body could have been recovered. I think the ring is a form of magic that allows the caster to control another being to do their will. But this would be an interesting take if that really was her body afterall
@@KaizokuSleven we saw her explode, what we didn't see is if there were any remains or not. We aren't shown the direct after math once the blood in the room and everything is cleared up. I want to believe she had some remains left behind that were used in the making of the homunculus. Again I gain immense levels of schadenfreude at the idea if her death resulting in Dracula and Lisa's resurrection, and subsequent happy ending.
I always thought that was a ring Saint Germain made to control the Rebus, and therefore control the corridor.
@@Ipetam it's both. Saint Germain repurposed the rings that Lenore made that allowed the four vampire sisters to control hectors night creatures because she tricked him to wear one.
Possibly unpopular opinion, but I loved her character, her ambition, and everything about her. She was absolutely amazing to me. She was extremely cunning and decisive and I loved all of it
carmila 🤝 Duch
i have a plan
Please do a retrospective review of the Lords of Shadow series. Those were the first Castlevania games I actually played all the way to the end.
I'm looking into getting that done 🙏
Carmilla cant be a Karen, She lacked a cell phone.
Carmilla was doomed to fail even in victory. She simply didn't care about anything in the world, even if she did rule over it.
It’s interesting in how Carmilla and Dracula, in season one, more or less are playing mind games. Mental chest, against each other. Not vying for power of the High Court, or in direct physical combat, but rather two opposing goals clashing. It’s also worth noting, that Carmilla and Godbrand seemed to catch on early that Dracula’s goal was not to only wipe out humanity, but all vampires as well. He’d aimed to commit suicide-the long way around. All that would be left after his campaign, if it had succeeded, would be any animal, plant, or insect not devoured by the demons created by Forgemasters. Earth would still exist, nature and parts of the animal kingdom would merely reclaim whatever was left from the ruins.
How can you say she as a Karen doesn't make for a good villain. By the very nature she's detestable.
Nah I did say she is a good villain, I just won’t label her as an antagonist because with an antagonist? You can sympathize with their points of view. A Villain however is just there just because
@@KaizokuSleven she's a complicated study because she was victimized but like you said she comes across as entitled. It's never explicitly stated if she was like that before or after she was turned. However it's easy to believe she was that way all along.
@@ruminator3570 I think she was turned into the monster she is. She did point out a few things about her backstory to Godbrand when she was manipulating him.
Unlike the humans and alucard....
She couldn't let go of her anger. She decided her pain shall become the world's pain.
She gave up her humanity even before she was turned into a vampire
Carmilla is th guy on the football team which shoots at its own team goalpost.
1. She literally got most of Dracula's army killed.
2. She was stupid enough to anger hector and make him hate her.
Cause we know without hector issac couldn't have defeated camilla easily.
3. She overextend as striga was out of the castle with half of her army.
4. She got her power from a man but hate all men.
5. It were her sister who were putting up with her bullshit.
6.she literally got a very good life but still decided to screw it by attacking other nations.
7. She is too much cocky as she ignored alucard,belmont and sypha.
There are other vampires too.
8. Instead of proposing an alliance with human Kingdoms and securing a proper food chain. She tried to fight them and i am pretty sure the humans would have formed a alliance with her.
9. She is epitome of a karen
& there it is 😂👏
Loved the vid fam. Keep u the great work
Appreciate you & Will do!
she was a great villain the show really made me hate her to the end XD
Agreed LOL They really did her character well.
I loved her. 😍😍
This correlation was found in a vacuum bro 💀
Dammit take your new subscriber and keep making quality vids.
Roger that 😂
1st off, karennazi lmfao. You got it. Thank you sir, look forward to the full video
I liked her at the start, but then she just became a broken record by the end. All she said in s4 was something about stupid old men.
It's part of her character though. It makes her a villian
@@justsomegirlwithoutamustache Not a good one though, a wasted and a disappointing one.
@@CaseyRedgrave She has other characteristics and isn’t one dimensional like Dracula. She’s pretty calculating and ego driven, and she actually takes initiative to start her own ruling. I don’t see how that makes her a bad villain
Even though Carmilla was a dislikable bitch, that “Fuck you!” she gave to Isaac in the end was the most badass way to go..even with her empire crumbling around her she owned her life to the bitter end.
Agreed, I like her impregnable will.
The best and worst thing about her character is that she’s not as smart as she thinks she is, and the series did show that.
Sure she manipulated Hector, but he was an obvious target and I doubt she’d have managed to manipulate Isaac. She let her ambition run wild, whereas anyone with some sense would’ve tried a gradual takeover over a few years; she was a vampire, she had time to spare. She wanted to be cold and calculating, but she let her emotions guide her actions far too much.
Nitpick: so Carmilla being a feminist extremist....the more accurate word is Misandrist. As feminism oursues goals of social equality and the like while misandry discriminates against men and or males. That is not to say, imo, that some who ID as feminist do not show or sympathize with misandry, like how some anti feminists also show misandry in reductive views of men. Men can also at yimes demonstrate this prejudice as well. Or, how misandrists may use feminist rhetoric to consolidate numbers and power.
Overall, Feminism and Misandry are different. Feminism is a ohikosophical and political analysis, misandry is a bigotry.
Dracula and Alucard would mop the floor with her army and her.
I mean people can check out Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust, that's a good Carmilla as she is a real nightmare of an archvillain.
To be honest, I didn't like Carmilla. I thought she was a generic radical feminist all-men hater. She was the least well-written character of the series. I was glad Isaac mopped the floor with her.
Word...TBH, Somebody needed to fill that role. So she got it done
@@KaizokuSleven Did it really though? I think they could have handled her a lot better. Especially if they took so much free liberty with characters.
@@mikebt-74 IMO I think she served her purpose but they could've given her a more fleshed out backstory.
And she’s a queen for that
I'd actually say the opposite, she was a really interesting character - she had enough depth and good writing for an antagonist, experiencing abuse from her sire for centuries she was bound to become unstable and Misandrist, gaining joy when she finally broke the chain, having enough power to defeat many, taking on an entire army by herself just from the pain of her life before killing herself rather than let a male kill her after defeating his minions - Her very own arrogance and descent into madness was her downfall, her pride, if she focused on Issac from the start she would have continued her existence and a downward spiral into madness even more as she lived on, killing males.
I recently watched the Castlevania series and I just want to say thank you for delivering this character analysis in a greatly articulate and objective way! Too often I see people be super sexist when they address characters who exhibit exaggerated traits of toxic masculinity and femininity, but this video addresses her character as the extreme and not representative of the other members of her gender. Love your videos!
I truly appreciate that you took the time to listen to comprehend & not to react.
Carmilla acts brazenly in front of the court to say the quiet part out loud. The generals are all aware of how terrible this war is going. Carmilla publicly confronts Dracula as to show the other generals that its possible, that they aren't alone in the doubt of him. She seeks to destabilise the court, because she sees Dracula as a senile old man (whom she despises because of her own abuse), and she's not wrong. Dracula's war has no strategy, no thoughtful end point. Her reason for coming is solely to ruin Dracula, as it pleases her ego and sense of morals: "Stupid, old men hurt me. I will hurt them and take everything from them (so I can't ever be hurt again)."
Her comment of "impossible impertinence" is to Dracula asking the question. It is impolite and rude to ask someone who they indent to sleep with. But she answers anyway because Godbrand is fucking dumb and slaying him with such a sick burn pleases her modus operandi: "Fucking hell, do I hate stupid men." Also, the tone is conversational and playful, potentially opening up Dracula as "friend" (read: manipulation target), though that doesn't come through in the end. Which doesn't matter, it wasn't something she needed, just an option to try and have.
She ends the talk as a winner because she wasn't punished. Successful destabilisation without cost.
Anyone who claims that their misandry is feminist is lying; "feminist extremis[m]" isn't real, because its not feminist.
Carmilla's reason her killing her sire is motivated by his abuse towards her. I personally interpret that abuse to have included a sexual element, hence her utter distain of Godbrand, who only sees Carmilla as crazy bitch whose just hot enough to try and bed (assuming Carmilla wants the same, because he's misogynistic). She doesn't like being seen as something to bed, as that would be how her sire saw her. I see as her being ambitious before her turning, as well, but not as "entitlement". Historically, ambitious women's path to power required marriage to men. She tried to gain power that way, by forming a partnership with a man, but he lied and hurt her. "Never again". From this one horrible interaction Carmilla gains a new perspective "Stupid, old men have all the power. I don't want them too." And that perspective is why I disagree as characterising Carmilla as a "Karen". Karens assume they have power, that they are owed it simply 'because'. Carmilla has the opposite view. Everyone else has power, and she must take it from them.
She's a girlboss. A sadistic, egotistical, misandrist girlboss.
This video notes that Carmilla's treatment of Hector does not form a disable loyalty and that she delegates the matter to Lenore. While I agree that Carmilla is dumb for doing this and for prematurely shattering Hector's illusion of allyship, I disagree with the implication that her lack of thoughtfulness here is a result of a perceived entitlement on Carmilla's part. As I said above, she's an egotistical girlboss who makes logical mistakes to please her emotions, not an Karen. She is either too dumb to see she's made mistakes, or too proud to admit as such, because she's egotistical, not entitled. She's only smart enough to optimise getting what she wants (hurting people), not securing a safer, more powerful position.
You note that the four sisters are against the world's patriarchy. But I don't think that's exactly the case. To me, Srtiga and Morana just want to settle down somewhere. They want an escape from the system, not to fix it. Lenore's suicide scene makes it seem she also wants "out" rather than fixing things, but I'm not too sure. Even Carmilla doesn't want to mend the system. She just wants to hurt people and take their stuff, especially from old men. I believe she built the group with a promise of freeing themselves from that system, but they got caught up in making Carmilla's plans actually function.
Carmilla's final words show me the nature of her character: She hates you winning more than she wants it herself. She's not entitled, but spiteful. And that irony is why I find her entertaining to watch, to see what she does, to see evil unaware of its self hatred until it look in the mirror. If you pointed out to Carmilla that she's turned out just like those stupid, evil, old men, she would only be angry that you're poking holes in her logic, not that you're right. That you're winning, and she's losing.
Carmilla wakes up every evening and chooses to continue the cycle of violence.
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My major critique of this video, which inspired the above writing, is its essentialisation of Carmilla's villainy with an imagined trait I do not see her having. It comes off as saying "Carmilla is evil because she's a misandrist" with the accidental implication that "Feminism is misandry", neither of which are correct claims. I hope that they were not made intentionally.
how tf does this channel have so few views:(((
It is what it is but in due time bro, I'm not stressing it.
@@KaizokuSleven fr bro
Hypocritical of her views towards Dracula and the "stoopid evil old men" who wronged her, Carmilla ended up being the very thing she hated.
Some sort of personality
I find Carmilla to be interesting because she's a misandrinistic villain played straight, rather than for laughs.
For Carmilla to have really worked for me, they should've for starters, cut Lenore and the other queens out altogether. Lenore's plot arc should've gone to Carmilla as there was already small hints of her infatuation with Hector. How it would've worked is a story for another post.
As for her abusive backstory, they should've given more context instead of this lazy insert to drum up cheap sympathy points from the audience. Hell, go one step further and have her give a colorized version of events to Hector whereas when the audience sees what really happened, it actually reveals that Carmilla is even bigger piece of work. Even introduce her lover, Laura, in the flashbacks as she did at one point love her, but through a life changing incident, Laura winds up dying by Carmilla's hand.
That's just an idea of how I would've written her character over this one dimensional man-hater in the show.
As for her game counterpart, Carmilla was responsible for starting the witch hunts that had Sypha's family and fellow spellcasters killed, had Isaac and Julia's family killed and destroying their home. And even resulted in the death of Dracula's own wife.
I have never heard anyone refer to her as a Karennazi before 😂, but it kinda fits. Too bad we never see her fight against the main trio.