I think it's extremely underrated how much environment makes a difference too. Being around active people or in cultures where they live more healthy makes a massive difference.
This is what I argue but people think I'm crazy. Last year I moved out of the USA to a big city in another country. I didn't have a car and just walked and used public transportation. In three months I lost 15 lbs. I know it's not a lot but five pounds a month over a year is 60 lbs. I know immigrants who move to the US and within five years they are obese. Its about our environment that affects our lifestyle. It's not that people in other countries are more determined
@@EpicLinc Call it what you want, but if you live around people who play sports all day, you're more likely to do shit with them. If I live with people who eat bad all day, it's a lot easier to get hooked when that stuff is staring you in the face.
I was overweight and out of shape and decided one day to make a change. I quit smoking and drinking and went on the keto diet for 30 days. I bought a skipping rope and committed to 10 mins everyday. I started adding in some bodyweight exercises. I'd workout on the playstructure at the school nearby. Then I bought some rings and hung them in the tree in my yard. I started to develop what I'd call a "movement vocabulary". Before all this I made previous attempts to get into running and struggled to work up to 3km. Within a few months I was running 10km no problem. For the first time in years, I actually had a flat stomach. People would say that I was on a health kick, and at first I would get mad. I knew something was different this time. After 6 months finally one of my friends acknowledged it was a lifestyle change. After a year I was in the best shape of my life and on my way to getting a six pack (so I hoped). I started working construction and still kept at it, but with less gusto. I moved to a different site with a longer commute, and harder work. I let my training slip, but I was still in pretty good shape. Still running and working hard. I actually couldn't believe the scale when it got down to 140lbs. Then I rolled my ankle at work due to uneven ground. I rolled both ankles and the left one twice. I was taping my ankle to run for a bit, but eventually I just tried to let it heal. I got so depressed not running. I decided to quit construction and maybe get a part-time job for a while so I'd have time to do more me stuff like train in different ways and creative projects. For a while I had been eating pretty much whatever I wanted. I just made sure to get in enough protein and veg. At some point I went off the rails and ate a pint of Haagen Daz everynight for 2 weeks straight and saw no noticeable change. The biggest change actually was that my cravings came back like bat out of hell. I was drinking and smoking again and though I tried to keep it to a minimum there is no question that it got in the way of training. The thing was that I kept running though. So, though I was starting to see a decline in my fitness I had started wearing mostly athleisure clothes, so it wasn't immediately obvious how much weight I was gaining. Then I got Achilles Tendonitis and it was all downhill from there. Joe is scared of excuses for a reason. It is a slippery slope. And the thing is that it doesn't necessarily smack you upside the head until it's a little too late. Not too late to do anything, but late enough that it sucks. It's sort like driving in the wrong direction for a while. Yes, you can always turn around. But man, does it ever just suck the fucking wind out of your sails when you realize you gotta go the same distance, plus whatever mileage you just dicked around being lost. Point is keep after it, don't make excuses, don't negotiate with yourself. If you get injured, train what you can. Train something complimentary that will give the injury a rest ie. If you're a runner and you fuck up your Achilles', start swimming or do more upper body. Don't give up. You can always lose it, but you can often get it back. Don't fear setbacks, adapt, get creative.
Very good and candid comment. We all have been there. Joe is narrow minded. I am sure he would not like someone harping on his weakness. Keep going dud, you did it once, you can do it again.
Hey man, I can relate. My two cents: Be forgiving of yourself. As much as you force yourself to work, force yourself to rest as well and vice versa. Forget the image of you from the past, that may never be. There's only the you now, the the better you you can be tomorrow. Failure is a better teacher than success. The stubborness of not stopping because it will seem "weak" is what actually makes stopping feel so good. Extremes are never good, balance is.
Yep, everyone has limited stress capacity. The ones diet has to be as little stressful and demanding as possible to be permanent solution. Otherwise other stressors will harm it sooner or later.
He was talking about getting kicked out of ketogenisis. This is true for the vast majority of carnivores, you will really only be in ketosis during the fasting period of the day.
Joe is very open minded about all other issues. However, when it comes to diet and fitness you can see that he’s very passionate and emotional about it. He’s a tough guy and hates excuses.
This is one of my pet peves with successful people. They act like 90% of thier success in life was from.hard work and not luck. Joe has been EXTREMELY lucky in his career. He landed pilots for tv shows when he was like 20 but he has no talent in comedy or acting. There are literally 10s of thousands of people who actively tried for what he lucked into. Yes he works hard, but its easy to work hard when you are wildly successful.
@@jebes909090 luck is not in his hands Working hard is ..... He did what he could to his best ability. He isn't wrong about Being weak minded and lacking desire to change oneself
@@HealmBreaker billions of people work hard every day and a VERY small percentage of them have the privilege of being paid millions of dollars to do what they do as well as having the free time to get in shape.
@@jebes909090 what I say wouldn't change your outlook but, If that's what you belive about being successful then you forever will have something or the other to blame for not achieving success. It's true that many people work hard but knowing when to work hard and when to exert oneself to be successful comes from being always ready to work hard. Working hard is the BARE minimum to being successful
MultiTarded how is not nutritionally balanced ? He just doesn’t eat refined carbs. Lol he eats organic meat and vegetables. What people ate before millions of people started having heart attacks and getting cancer. Before everything was loaded with carbs. Before the food pyramid. I’m not all the way into keto. I do it sometimes but I’m more into paleo. 60-70 carbs a day. From things like sweet potatoes and brown rice. Keto I do if I need to burn fat quick or something to that nature.
@MultiTarded I was being satirical, the ketogenic diet that joe proposes is scientifically proven to prevent heart disease and diabetes, ever heard of Dr. Tim Noakes?
@@123abc8027 the problem is people didn't live long enough to get cancer, or even know about it and we had less people, the more people and with our generations living longer is always gonna cause more cancer regardless of what we eat.
@@lukefurlong43 FALSE!!! So is that your professional opinion?? A keto diet has been proven to be a very effective treatment for cancer and it is preventative as well.. Cancer cells LOVE glucose, what do the majority of humans love throwing down their gullets?? Sugar and Carbohydrates!! Keto diets completely eliminate sugar and massively reduce carbohydrate intake which means stable glucose levels and less for cancer to feed on..
Intermittent fasting from 680 pounds down to 285, and still dropping. I hit the gym 7 days a week and 4 out of those days I go twice. I walk 3 times a week for a mile and a half with a 60 pound weighted ruck sack. Then I do HITT cardio for a mile and a half. I feel better than ever at 38.
"Don't be a bitch" is exactly what this country needs to hear. Back in the day when I asked my grandpa how to stop myself from being broke, he said "make more money" LOL.
@@mmkw5621 Bullshit. You can *never* be a success with that attitude. People who want to get ahead and have a goal just make stuff happen, they don't leave it up to chance. Not trying to be a hard ass here, but saying "everything in life is luck" puts you in a helpless position, when really you should constantly aim to carve your own path, not depend on anything external to happen for you.
Norton was making a good point that there are a number of dieting strategies that can reach the desired goal and it's up to the individual to find which they prefer in the long-term. But Rogan seemed hung up on the strategy that works for him which was more of the hulk through it with discipline and willpower.
discipline and willpower is a must have in every dieting strategy dimwit. he was talking about how different diets won't do shit if you're a bitch without will power
I agree with the “take a cheat day” thing. Honestly, after that cheat day most self-respecting people would again realize their initial intention because of how bad they feel after that self-allowance then they can tackle it again with some renewed vigor
100% agree with you on that point. However, I do better with a cheat meal rather than a whole day just because I don’t feel as guilty and I’m less likely to continue cheating compared to if I eat like crap the whole day. For some reason when I give myself a whole day I eat like it’s my final day on earth and I go way overboard.
Some plans even utilise a cheat "week" *within reason* , so that way if you start to plateau, you can readjust your body to a caloric surplus. That way when you restart your progress you _supposedly_ bring yourself out of plateau. How true that is though I have no clue. I've never done it.
Yeh I agree. The idea of finding something that works for you is a great idea. Keto not the best for me personally, because I have a bitch of a time getting into ketosis. So if I break it I have to deal with all the shit that comes with getting back into keto. So for me the options with keto are, stick to it all the time (which I'd rather not) or deal with between 2-5 days of having no energy, being shitty, headaches, bad skin every time I break ketosis (I'd also rather not do that). So the best option is for me to try something else. It's about finding the balance.
CD M dont look at it as something you HAVE to do, its something you choose to do. Another big thing is allowing yourself to eat bad like once a week, keeps cravings down and resets metabolism :)
the psychological state has never been worse for people trying to improve themselves either. there has never been more distractions, whether it is hobbies, social media, or long work days(including commute). The standards for 'fit' are gradually raising, at least for men. Junk food has never been more available, as well as smokes, alcohol, and drugs. Instant gratification has been programmed into us now with achievements/trophies, google, file sharing, likes, upvotes, pay-to-win games, etc. You can call people "weak", but not only does it not solve the problem, you add to it. Especially these days with all time highs of depression, anxiety, and suicides. May also notice mass shootings have become a bit routine, and having mini riots on streets and in colleges. Everyone is being nurtured into a constant cycle of panic, nihilism, and sadism. The mentally ill are now the overwhelming majority.
Almost 40 years old and I KNOW my biggest issue, in my whole life, has been a lack of discipline. I'm eating Keto, but I lack the discipline to not OVER EAT the keto food. I'm tryin...
Case Died Well, that's ok. It's the best way to start a keto diet, to let yourself overeat for the first month. The real danger is letting yourself become hungry, as that increases your chances of breaking down and eating carbs. The key is to substitute. When you want a pancake, eat a steak. Don't worry about calories, just be damn sure you never go over 20g net carbs in a day, and stay away from alcohol. After the first month, if you never cheat carbs, you will stop getting cravings for food. Hunger becomes a vague sense that you require nutrients, nothing more. Then, it's very easy. Just never, ever go over 20g net carbs in a day, and it will get easier and easier. Having even one cheat day brings back the cravings and makes it much harder.
@@cowboyflipflopped is 20g of carbs as a cap really so necessary? I've read that that's simply the guideline they used for the medical diet for kids with epilepsy back in the 1920s or whatever, I don't think that low of a carb intake is actually necessary, especially if you work out regularly and thus keep muscle glycogen depleted. I've heard of high level athletes maintaining keto even with over 100 grams of carbs a day, but I haven't seen specific test results from those anecdotes. Joe Rogan even had a dude on I forget his name I think he was a runner he was talking about alternating between keto and non keto depending on his training cycle.
From 270 pounds to 150, been maintaining that for over a year. Took me 3 years to lose it. Sustainability, dedication and having a “why” is what works.
Calorie deficit. Eat in moderation. Change things slowly. I think people have a hard time adhering because they eat whatever they want, and then wake up and decide "hey. I'm changing everything" If you get a high calorie coffee every morning. Start with simply switching to tea, or black coffee. After a few weeks if you drink 2 cans of soda a day, switch to one. Change things slowly, and eventually you'' have the result you want without a huge shock to your body.
As a person who is laying in a hospital bed from an unexpected surgery.. I just know how much we have to appreciate our health ... And not beat ourselves up... and appreciate others.
They're missing a big piece: People are generally no less disciplined today than they were 150 years ago, when NO ONE was obese. The culture, availability, low cost & ease of access to processed food in developed countries overwhelms the ability of a HUGE number of people to avoid it. Finger pointing only at the people for being "weak" is missing the forest for the trees. Many of these people are highly disciplined and successful in other aspects of life. And yet they STILL stand little chance to avoid processed food, and the person of low socioeconomic status stands zero chance.
Get those facts out of here! This isn't the place for nuance and intelligence! EVERYONE back in the day was a badass Viking, and EVERYONE today is a little soy filled bitch!
Also companies have evolved in terms of formulating and creating products intended to be, and successfully so, incredibly addictive and in some cases dependent.
That's a great point that people who are disciplined and successful at other aspects of life can still struggle with weight. It's not as simple as "don't be a bitch"
It’s really simple. Track your calories, be in a deficit, make the calories you do eat count, eat healthy carbs and taper off throughout the day, Intermittent Fast if you can-makes all this easier.
@@AManCalledDutch Those people will fail then. Theyre talking about people that want to lose weight. If you dont have the interest in doing the things needed to complete that goal, youll fail.
Foods with sugar and Salts fats carbs are extremely addicted and part of every day life, you have to have empathy to a degree we are all addicts Joe needs to slow down on the meat head communications at times, he himself to about being week and giving in and eating shit and he's been training since a kid and been around healthy people who also train, not everyone grow up in that environment....so have a little understanding Joe....I also agree a little people need to focus on mastering discipline and sustaining from things...
I have been on the KETO PLAN since August 11 2019 and have lost 70+lbs. I once weighed 258lbs now i weigh roughly 168lbs. I do 200 pushups daily and hit the Gym plus Boxing Open Gym
Anytime anyone contradicts keto or working out Joey goes off son !!! I think we forget that people are addicted to carbs and sugar it’s not easy to come off an addiction .
Joe inspired me to lose weight back almost 2 years ago. Lost 45 pounds and have been maintaining it. My health problems are literally all gone. I feel great
I agree with Joe in part, he needs some flexibility in his argument though, because not everybody has the same mindset. Food is very addictive, there is a science that goes in behind a companies' products. Financial resources are an issue, it's not a coincidence that poorer people are less healthier. Behavioural eating doesnt help; food does comfort depression, anxiety and other mental-health problems in the short-term, but it's not a helpful long-term solution. Research also suggests that sustaining a specific diet or lifestyle is boring to most people. There's not enough stimuli, because it's repetitive, especially to intelligent or easily-bored people. Scientifically, it is what the guy alluded too, about hormonal balances. Don't get me wrong, lazy and undisciplined people do exist and do make up a large number of people who are unhealthy, but it's not as simple as saying that people are ill-disciplined.
Food itself is not "very addictive"; processed food (and fast food in particular) are designed to be, because it keeps them selling things. For myself, it has been less than a month and a half of calorie counting, and because of that, I stopped eating fast food and sugary foods, because I wanted to actually not feel like I was starving. All in all, I've not missed it after the first week or so. Well...I had Arby's tonight; I didn't feel like cooking, we had company, and the limited-time Diablo Dare sandwiches were still available locally. As someone who loves spicy food, and cannot stand the mediocre spice that we often get, I wanted to try it. So, we got the food. I had most of a sandwich (brisket), and two bites of the chicken sandwich. I had maybe between a snack and small size-worth of the fries, and some of a small vanilla shake. Already, I feel like garbage; not because of the spice, milk, fats, or sugars (all of those I have in moderation on my calorie monitoring), but because my body is no longer used to the garbage that it really is. I feel like if we spend even a few weeks consciously eating healthier items, our cravings and desires begin to self regulate. For example, the other day, I greatly enjoyed something I would've hated just two months ago: Full-fat yogurt with a small bit of stevia, and a ripe banana. It was just as pleasant as eating a candy bar was only two months back, and far healthier. Getting back to the point, when we do cheat after our body begins to adjust, we get a reminder of what our body really "thinks" of those processed foods, delicious flavors and addictive qualities be damned. I believe that, for many people, the issue is both the lack of trying something different, along with the lack of discipline, which keeps them going back to fast food and unhealthy foods, which tends to make them also overeat calorically, if not quantitatively.
If you understand what goes in to getting a PhD, you talk less and listen more. Dr. Norton is going to know what he is talking about because he has dedicated serious time studying it. Joe's experience in this area is likely anecdotal, which isn't bad if you understand that is what you're consuming.
Getting a PHD is about bowing to authority over and over and being someone's bitch ... it's BS. It ain't being "scientific" .... it's about politics and taking it up the backside over and over. Anecdotes are great if they are yours and they make your point. Don't let the scientific religion (not the practice) tell you different.
@MultiTarded Yep. Not everyone is athlete or in military. People have different stress capacity. Since some diets require a lot of resistance to stress they are not applicable for general population. Yes. People are weak and/or have very stressful lives. They won't adhere to difficult eating patterns. Period. Joe doesn't get that that cause he's living in athletic lifestyle bubble.
@@caribbeanbound8357 This is simply not true. If diet /lifestyle requires too much discipline it will go hell when individuals stress capacity is exceeded. And that's only matter of time for most people.
@@caribbeanbound8357 Of course it matters. If keeping diet requires additional stress and sacrifice then obviously it is at risk at times when one is overwhelmed with problems. This is why finding most easily sustainable diet and lifestyle for given individual is important. It doesn't have to and doesn't supposed to be that hard. That's my point. Rogans perspective is totally ignoring that fact.
@@caribbeanbound8357 That's great it works for you. But diet that continuously requires strong will will fail eventually for most people. Of course it is weakness but it doesn't change anything.
@@michwoz Thats the point he's making and that you originally seemed to have a problem with.... its weakness, mental weakness. I agree and believe the vast majority of people are just too chickenshit to face their fears and challenge themselves because they dont like discomfort. despite discomfort being the only way to grow as person
MultiTarded “I gain weight breathing” lol then rephrase it. People don’t just stay thin magically. Thinner people either; eat less than you. eat a lot socially, but make up for it by not eating as much in private. Have a higher BMR/TDEE. Excersize more. Have a generally more active lifestyle. Weight loss isn’t magic. If you’re gaining weight but doing everything “right”, then your methods may need to change. Metabolism doesn’t actually effect as much as people think it does. There’s a reason why thin people are thin, and it’s not because they’re magically thin and can eat 2 pizzas 5 pints of ice cream and 4 hot dogs every day without gaining weight. It’s science not magic
Joe hit the nail on the head, I started to diet on Jan 1st and changed my whole outlook on food and exercise. I was 20 stone 3lbs and 7 months later I am 16 stone 10lbs, I still have 3 stone to go. I fast 22 hours Monday to Friday eating before 6pm and have a meal of 1200 calories max. Saturday I Hest healthy in the day and have a treat meal in the evening, like a Chinese or kebab. Sunday I eat when I'm hungry but not not unhealthy food. Then Monday start again. Fasting Monday to Friday was hard for a month now I don't think of food until 4pm now and it's becoming my new found relationships with food. Once I had lost 2 stone I started exercising 3 times a week and now my garage is a gym. You can do it, its just that first step, I was overweight for 8 years and even the 3 and half stone makes a huge difference to your standard of living. Trust me it's easy when your willing to make a change for yourself and knowbody else.
thats still a privilege to be able to do that. With my mental health problems i literally cant fast. I'd get fired. I enjoy the physical feeling of it but OCD goes out of control. Am I a weak bitch like joe says?
@@latortugapicante719 I don't agree it's a privilege, you either do or you don't.... That's your decision to do so. Nobody can live in your mind, that goes both ways. You start with yourself and just do it.... People will always find excuses, mental health, work, weather, injury. I don't know you so can't say if your weak minded. I was weak minded for many years until I made the decision to do it. Your mind is you and all the decisions you make, once you let the negative side take control your always going to lose. Remember people have been through much much worse. Hope you can find the mindset to help yourself ✌
Overall life quality plays a major role. If you are social, good looking and whatever, it's a lot easier to avoid temptations. The average and below average people who got dealt a bad hand, hamburgers or food in general, sodas and other crap are often their only sources of delight in life, which makes maintaining discipline that much harder.
Yup, ugly, overweight people aren't having regular sex which a lot of people are and are getting pleasure from that. The people who aren't find delight in food or drugs
I watched half of this video and realized Joe Rogan was talking about me being a bitch. So I paused it and went out and ran 6 miles. Now I'm back watching the other half.
If you can't help yourself you don't have any help. Anything is possible if one believes it is. 222 down from 242 by exercise and eating healthy and lots of walking and water.
I lost 80 pounds doing keto and what kept me going was a genuine will from within to lose weight. I also bought a scale to track my progress and I still weigh myself every day.
I have been on a diet that focuses on calories. And it's not hard. There's no cheat days, just stay at 2,000 calories and minimize processed food. The diet being like that allows you to have a slice of pizza once in a while. Long as it stays in the calorie limit. And thus it's much easier to stay on the diet. And just from that diet I've lost 40lbs. And I'm still losing weight. In the next 3 or 4 months I'll be at my goal. No need to make being healthy a punishing miserable endeavor.
You can also take it as 14,000 calories per week. The more time you're willing to spend fasting, the more high-calorie meals you can eat. I tend to eat one huge meal and one snack every day, and keep it to 2000 calories in a 24hr period. However, if I really want to pig-out, I can do it, so long as I fast before and after sufficiently to keep my weekly caloric intake at 14,000 or less. I hit my goal weight 11 months ago, and have maintained it this way.
@Angel Ramirez what are you talking about? You're right everyone's different, so do what works for you. But calling anything that you don't like to eat fake food is just wierdly judgemental.
I lost 25-30 lbs (from 205lbs to 175lbs) over a year and have never even really thought about it as "a diet". I changed my nutrition (from fast food to healthy food) and began working out 4 times a week as well as jogging... I never even once have felt the urge to give up apart from the obvious cheat day every couple weeks. I never even considered that behaviour to be an "outlier". Once you lose the weight, you feel guilty cheating. You don't want to throw away your hard work. If you lose 5-10 lbs, I guess you don't really have that "anchor of guilt"
Lost 10 pounds in the first 7 days of 18:6 intermittent fasting and keto, running daily and bodyweight exercise. That in itself is enough to keep me motivated.
I believe self-discipline is something you built up with practice, over time. I am not, by far, a disciplined person..but I got better over time, I am making better and better choices and sometimes I fall, but I try again. And it's not just a matter of self-discipline. It's also a matter of your thinking systems that allows you or don't allow you to do certain things. So, in order to change, you have to shift some paradigms first.
3 times in my life I have been at a healthy weight. I gained weight to an unhealthy level 4 times (including now very unhealthy). I need to make exercising and low carb diets into a lifestyle rather than a phase.
@Jakov Benkovićyou're right, they aren't the enemy. I've done this so much that ive learned what's right for me. Thankfully since this comment 1 year ago I've lost 17KG (37lbs) mainly from fasting
This conversation spiked my cortisol to the roof😂 Stop interrupting each other, but amazing information But I agree with Joe, it is a discipline issue, most of the life problems are because of discipline and instant gratification. Week people create hard times.
I’m very much someone who’s had there fair share of weight yo-young. And I totally agree with Joe on this. It’s no ones fault but my own when I don’t sustain. It’s even more my fault, because I’ve proved I can do the diet, and I’ve proved I can show restraint. I then choose not to.
Bro im and up and down dieter. I always workout and strong asf but my body fat is always going up and down. Just realized at 30 that after u lose the weight u gotta have the same mentality in keeping it off. Im on the path to lose it again down 28 pounds currently 299 shooting for 250 baby! Holla if ya hear me!!!! 💪
At the end of the day I just can't help thinking there over thinking this shit. People just fall into two categories, the people that just do it and the ones that don't. It's almost as though there's just to much information so really the more you know the less you know. People just have to think of health and fitness as a journey with know destination, it's forever. This culture is saturated in quick fixes and everyone has the answer how to get there. One size doesn't fit all and diets are all just a subterfuge to keep the fatties on an eternal hamster wheel. I say take the long view, workout everyday like you mean it and enjoy your life along the way! Return to basics, there's no substitute for hard work and discipline.
@Gabriel El Leon Not completely, from what I know (don't quote me) you can have up to 40-45ish carbs and stay in ketosis. I do my best regardless to be as close to 0, better to be safe than sorry on average, I have like 24-30 a day. so far so good
I am not speaking weakness when I say sustainability is key. I used to think like Joe and obviously he got to where he is become of that mindset but there is no need to work against your willpower. You can put that energy to adhere to a diet elsewhere. There is no need to go mental to stay lean. Because if adherence wasn’t an issue then cheat meals shouldn’t be allowed either because that’s just a lack of discipline at a smaller scale. It is a lot different if cheat meals were allowed when cravings become extreme to stay sane or to exercise eating out whenever you want without letting that bother you, turn into a eating challenge or jeopardize your entire diet.
People workout, eat well and begin to lose weight. Once that weight is lost, they go back to their old habits. There shouldn't be an end goal. It should be a lifestyle change.
People saying he’s being biased I mean obviously... he’s put in the hard work and knows how tough that shit it. He doesn’t want people to think it’ll be easy without disciple cause there is so much that goes into dieting than just eating fewer calories...
I live a similar lifestyle as Joe in that I rain every single day 6 days a week. Joe’s mindset on this is no doubt successful for a lot of people. At the same time though, Joe is so close minded when it comes to these topics. There is more than one way to achieve success in diet sustainability and success in life in general.
This happened to me, I lost 60 pounds from 225 to 165 and I started getting really f’ing hungry and I unfortunately rebounded back to 190 but it’s better than 225 still... in getting back into it before I gain more, I want to reset my set point to 165 and get lean to 145
Right around 8:20 when he goes into the whole Will smith “Brick by brick” thing. That reminds me exactly of the book “bird by bird” by Anne Lamont - instructions for life and writing. A couple letters becomes a word. A couple words become a sentence. A couple sentences becomes a paragraph. So on so on. Quite a beautiful book.
I didn't start losing weight until I stopped trying to make it easy. IDK what clicked after 20 years of self loathing but in a way Joe's method is what's getting it done for me. Keto and no more excuses
Sustainability comes from what you’re used to. Sustainability is different for everyone is different is BECAUSE of the why they think. The way you think is effected by diet, experiences, exercise, and basically EVERYTHING.
From observation and experience, it seems that a major challenge to discipline is discouragement that comes from underwhelming progress on any particular nutritional strategy. Most folks can likely be consistent if they're seeing measurable progress. Too often, that success is not the norm.
Almost everyone go off there diet at times including me i think the key to success is don't give up. Make it a life style and don't be so hard on yourself everyone makes mistakes be consistent find what works for you
OK references the set point when you lose weight and a timeframe, also keep in mind that the 1 to 2 year mark is tremendous because people have to go through holidays, birthdays, change of weather, all kinds of situations that can throw them off, but if they maintain throughout that they have allowed that eating style to become their new lifestyle. Set point theory also Has a lot to do with your emotional status and what you are emotionally and physically used to, not necessarily happy or comfortable with. Also the fact that every six months we have refreshed our cells....so if you’re holding your new weight, your new lifestyle and your new mindset past that mark at the very least you have reset a lot about your body and your metabolism.
I also think it’s important to remember to listen to your body with diet. Looking at what actually gives your body energy and all of that kind of stuff. I think it’s more important to eat more simply and focus in on the ingredients. I think it’s okay to reward yourself every now and then but to overall try and eat more healthily for your own body
It is all in the mind, techniques to influence adherence(mind tricks, hypnotherapy, etc)is a subconscious way of giving away your will. It only last for a little while, hence the reason why people cannot continue to stay committed even after "attaining" the goal.
Alot of people who have been on a ketogenic diet and want to come off for a vacation or temporarily regain alot of weight very quickly is because thier bodies have been so insulin sensitive for a long time, and now they're eating alot of carbs and the body just rushes to store all of it as fat. Thats why you have to do a slow process of introducing the carbs back into your diet, even if it is before a vacation begins.
The end of this kind of gives me hope. I've lost weight many times and keep regaining it,(well meaning but flawed parents that created poor habits in childhood that I keep trying to correct in my 20ties) i think my problem is making it past the reset point. The lack of substantive information that is available is infuriating, everybody wants to sell you a diet plan but nobodies like here's how you actually reset your body.
The hardest part of sustainability for me is the convenience factor sometimes you find yourself in a situation where you have to eat crap and can't cook your own meal.
the more u know what your body needs and know when it needs it u can use it to your advantage. if I feel weak and lazy I'll eat more carbs and veggies, if I feel sore from a workout as an example I'll eat more protein. If I feel bloated I'll eat mostly veggies, water , fruit or fast. For me it's just knowing what your body needs and when it needs it 💪👍
I never realized how the 3 habits of weighing yourself, your food and working out can really change your life and how you think until watching this and realizing I’ve been doing that for almost a year and have mad significant advances in not only my health but all aspects of life
I did Keto a few times, and not once have I experienced relapse. On the contrary, sometimes the switch to carbohydrates seemed to have a boosting effect for my metabolism, so I lost two or three additional pounds after going back on carbs.
The most interesting stuff is at the end =( I wish it was longer. Plateauing sucks. Tried Keto for a month lost 20lbs but then second month lost nothing even though my diet or activity didn't change. Lost the discipline from not seeing results and regained everything again. Found out that Cheat Days help reset your metabolism so you don't fall into the plateau trap. Shoutouts to PictureFit. Also, Keto is hell. On that Intermittent Fasting game right now -- feels good.
Jungsuk Lee the initial weight loss is water. Glycogen holds water In the muscles. 1gram of glycogen will hold up to 4ml of water. If you do the maths it’s litres all over
Everyone’s body is different and everyone’s mind set is different. There are disciplined people and un-disciplined people. Eating disorders are real, psychological issues are real,. Some people really try hard to loose weight and fail over and over again because something in their present or past keeps resurfacing and they become defeated. Either way we all cannot be like Joe R. and be a disciplined machine. Sometimes it is just a matter of discipline other times it’s a matter of mental health or an eating disorder.
I wish they had taken the time to explain to him that discipline isn't binary and while all systems can work individuals can be more likely to succeed on different programs. Telling someone that they are lazy because they failed at one diet type can honestly keep them from trying one that's biologically better for them.
it is a discipline issue - holidays you eat different but you just go right back to normal healthy eating lifestyle/diet pattern and everything is good again
I think it's extremely underrated how much environment makes a difference too. Being around active people or in cultures where they live more healthy makes a massive difference.
+1 this guy knows. I broke keto on a trip to Vietnam but was being so active with friends and family that I still lost 15 pounds.
This is what I argue but people think I'm crazy. Last year I moved out of the USA to a big city in another country. I didn't have a car and just walked and used public transportation. In three months I lost 15 lbs. I know it's not a lot but five pounds a month over a year is 60 lbs. I know immigrants who move to the US and within five years they are obese. Its about our environment that affects our lifestyle. It's not that people in other countries are more determined
I moved from NY to Florida and within the first 2 months I dropped 20 pounds. Oh yeah environment for sure.
Blaming the environment or what other people are doing is weak.
@@EpicLinc Call it what you want, but if you live around people who play sports all day, you're more likely to do shit with them. If I live with people who eat bad all day, it's a lot easier to get hooked when that stuff is staring you in the face.
I was overweight and out of shape and decided one day to make a change. I quit smoking and drinking and went on the keto diet for 30 days. I bought a skipping rope and committed to 10 mins everyday. I started adding in some bodyweight exercises. I'd workout on the playstructure at the school nearby. Then I bought some rings and hung them in the tree in my yard. I started to develop what I'd call a "movement vocabulary". Before all this I made previous attempts to get into running and struggled to work up to 3km. Within a few months I was running 10km no problem. For the first time in years, I actually had a flat stomach. People would say that I was on a health kick, and at first I would get mad. I knew something was different this time. After 6 months finally one of my friends acknowledged it was a lifestyle change. After a year I was in the best shape of my life and on my way to getting a six pack (so I hoped).
I started working construction and still kept at it, but with less gusto. I moved to a different site with a longer commute, and harder work. I let my training slip, but I was still in pretty good shape. Still running and working hard. I actually couldn't believe the scale when it got down to 140lbs.
Then I rolled my ankle at work due to uneven ground. I rolled both ankles and the left one twice. I was taping my ankle to run for a bit, but eventually I just tried to let it heal. I got so depressed not running. I decided to quit construction and maybe get a part-time job for a while so I'd have time to do more me stuff like train in different ways and creative projects.
For a while I had been eating pretty much whatever I wanted. I just made sure to get in enough protein and veg. At some point I went off the rails and ate a pint of Haagen Daz everynight for 2 weeks straight and saw no noticeable change. The biggest change actually was that my cravings came back like bat out of hell. I was drinking and smoking again and though I tried to keep it to a minimum there is no question that it got in the way of training. The thing was that I kept running though. So, though I was starting to see a decline in my fitness I had started wearing mostly athleisure clothes, so it wasn't immediately obvious how much weight I was gaining. Then I got Achilles Tendonitis and it was all downhill from there.
Joe is scared of excuses for a reason. It is a slippery slope. And the thing is that it doesn't necessarily smack you upside the head until it's a little too late. Not too late to do anything, but late enough that it sucks. It's sort like driving in the wrong direction for a while. Yes, you can always turn around. But man, does it ever just suck the fucking wind out of your sails when you realize you gotta go the same distance, plus whatever mileage you just dicked around being lost.
Point is keep after it, don't make excuses, don't negotiate with yourself. If you get injured, train what you can. Train something complimentary that will give the injury a rest ie. If you're a runner and you fuck up your Achilles', start swimming or do more upper body. Don't give up. You can always lose it, but you can often get it back. Don't fear setbacks, adapt, get creative.
dharmapunk777 Thanks, I really enjoyed your comment. Peace, love and light to you.
Very good and candid comment. We all have been there. Joe is narrow minded. I am sure he would not like someone harping on his weakness. Keep going dud, you did it once, you can do it again.
Hey man, I can relate. My two cents: Be forgiving of yourself. As much as you force yourself to work, force yourself to rest as well and vice versa. Forget the image of you from the past, that may never be. There's only the you now, the the better you you can be tomorrow. Failure is a better teacher than success. The stubborness of not stopping because it will seem "weak" is what actually makes stopping feel so good. Extremes are never good, balance is.
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@@Phuskooz then why bother commenting?
I think joes weed man was out of town this morning
ghy76764 sounds like you’re fat and offended
😂😂
@@lilholographic722 fuck up. Joes so obsessed with health and diet, and he'll probably for before a man who eats KFC everyday. And I will laugh.
ghy76764 his ADHD is in FULL GEAR! He’s not laid and chill
@Kwattson He definitely didn't have any sort of open mind in this convo. Just cut all non fitness freaks out of your life ha
You don't have to be weak to fall off. An injury, an illness, a major life stress event, any of those things can knock a strong person off their game.
Amen
Yep, everyone has limited stress capacity. The ones diet has to be as little stressful and demanding as possible to be permanent solution. Otherwise other stressors will harm it sooner or later.
Everything you mentioned is just "life" to a lot of people who are adapted to handle it.
As someone with chronic illnesses, i find the worse my illness gets the more focused i am tbh just as a counterpoint
Strong is antithetical to "knocked off game".
Joe: Keto is just to much meat
Also Joe: I'm doing a carnivore diet and it's great
He just said that it takes him out of ketosis
Bingo! Lol
He was talking about getting kicked out of ketogenisis.
This is true for the vast majority of carnivores, you will really only be in ketosis during the fasting period of the day.
@@heyllo1337 how so?
@@alnotbiggaytho7124 too much protein, ketosis is burning fats. Hence joe is talking about his problem being that he eats too much protein
Joe is very open minded about all other issues. However, when it comes to diet and fitness you can see that he’s very passionate and emotional about it. He’s a tough guy and hates excuses.
This is one of my pet peves with successful people. They act like 90% of thier success in life was from.hard work and not luck. Joe has been EXTREMELY lucky in his career. He landed pilots for tv shows when he was like 20 but he has no talent in comedy or acting. There are literally 10s of thousands of people who actively tried for what he lucked into.
Yes he works hard, but its easy to work hard when you are wildly successful.
@@jebes909090 luck is not in his hands
Working hard is ..... He did what he could to his best ability. He isn't wrong about Being weak minded and lacking desire to change oneself
@@HealmBreaker billions of people work hard every day and a VERY small percentage of them have the privilege of being paid millions of dollars to do what they do as well as having the free time to get in shape.
@@jebes909090 what I say wouldn't change your outlook but, If that's what you belive about being successful then you forever will have something or the other to blame for not achieving success.
It's true that many people work hard but knowing when to work hard and when to exert oneself to be successful comes from being always ready to work hard.
Working hard is the BARE minimum to being successful
@@jebes909090 dude sits on his ass and talks shit, I’m sure a lot of mfs who work a 9-5 could do the same
Hey Joe, idk if you have or thought about it. Have you thought about bringing athlene x on and shoot the breeze with him?
That would be amazing!!!
agreed that would be my 2 fav shows mixed into one
and Thomas from science based six pack abs
Yes!
Bro this actually blew my mind
YES....yes
Joe rogan is one dimensional when it comes to diet.
He sticks with what works. Trust me anyone will shed weight eating nothing but elk and kimchi
MultiTarded how is not nutritionally balanced ? He just doesn’t eat refined carbs. Lol he eats organic meat and vegetables. What people ate before millions of people started having heart attacks and getting cancer. Before everything was loaded with carbs. Before the food pyramid. I’m not all the way into keto. I do it sometimes but I’m more into paleo. 60-70 carbs a day. From things like sweet potatoes and brown rice. Keto I do if I need to burn fat quick or something to that nature.
@MultiTarded I was being satirical, the ketogenic diet that joe proposes is scientifically proven to prevent heart disease and diabetes, ever heard of Dr. Tim Noakes?
@@123abc8027 the problem is people didn't live long enough to get cancer, or even know about it and we had less people, the more people and with our generations living longer is always gonna cause more cancer regardless of what we eat.
@@lukefurlong43
FALSE!!! So is that your professional opinion?? A keto diet has been proven to be a very effective treatment for cancer and it is preventative as well.. Cancer cells LOVE glucose, what do the majority of humans love throwing down their gullets?? Sugar and Carbohydrates!!
Keto diets completely eliminate sugar and massively reduce carbohydrate intake which means stable glucose levels and less for cancer to feed on..
Intermittent fasting from 680 pounds down to 285, and still dropping. I hit the gym 7 days a week and 4 out of those days I go twice. I walk 3 times a week for a mile and a half with a 60 pound weighted ruck sack. Then I do HITT cardio for a mile and a half. I feel better than ever at 38.
zack the dog wow. Good job if true
Awesome man !
How do you eat?
Why'd you do it?
7 days a week? how do you even recover this sounds over exaggerated.
"Don't be a bitch" is exactly what this country needs to hear. Back in the day when I asked my grandpa how to stop myself from being broke, he said "make more money" LOL.
Your grandpa was a real man, no bullshit, greetings from Germany
FACTS! That’s all I keep saying especially over the last year or so. Everyone needs to stop being a BITCH
Everything in life is luck. Saying ‘make more money’ to someone struggling hard to find a job is just low energy advise
@@mmkw5621 Bullshit. You can *never* be a success with that attitude. People who want to get ahead and have a goal just make stuff happen, they don't leave it up to chance. Not trying to be a hard ass here, but saying "everything in life is luck" puts you in a helpless position, when really you should constantly aim to carve your own path, not depend on anything external to happen for you.
@@philmehrart does not change the fact that everything is luck. Helpless position or not.
Norton was making a good point that there are a number of dieting strategies that can reach the desired goal and it's up to the individual to find which they prefer in the long-term. But Rogan seemed hung up on the strategy that works for him which was more of the hulk through it with discipline and willpower.
BigfootTornado science is on Joe’s side. One word....Mitochondria!
discipline and willpower is a must have in every dieting strategy dimwit. he was talking about how different diets won't do shit if you're a bitch without will power
@@randomz8065 they'll never understand dude don't bother
Joe kept interrupting that guy and when they do that to him he flips out 😂
I agree with the “take a cheat day” thing. Honestly, after that cheat day most self-respecting people would again realize their initial intention because of how bad they feel after that self-allowance then they can tackle it again with some renewed vigor
Yeah that's very true
100% agree with you on that point. However, I do better with a cheat meal rather than a whole day just because I don’t feel as guilty and I’m less likely to continue cheating compared to if I eat like crap the whole day. For some reason when I give myself a whole day I eat like it’s my final day on earth and I go way overboard.
Some plans even utilise a cheat "week" *within reason* , so that way if you start to plateau, you can readjust your body to a caloric surplus. That way when you restart your progress you _supposedly_ bring yourself out of plateau. How true that is though I have no clue. I've never done it.
Damn straight
Yeh I agree. The idea of finding something that works for you is a great idea. Keto not the best for me personally, because I have a bitch of a time getting into ketosis. So if I break it I have to deal with all the shit that comes with getting back into keto. So for me the options with keto are, stick to it all the time (which I'd rather not) or deal with between 2-5 days of having no energy, being shitty, headaches, bad skin every time I break ketosis (I'd also rather not do that). So the best option is for me to try something else. It's about finding the balance.
Diet is the hardest part for me. I have been consistent with my fitness for decades but I eat bad. You cant out-train a bad diet.
CD M dont look at it as something you HAVE to do, its something you choose to do. Another big thing is allowing yourself to eat bad like once a week, keeps cravings down and resets metabolism :)
no shit genius. build all the muscle you want but wont show w a layer of fat on top of it
I came up with this motto hope it helps.... *"a rat poison has 75 calories,so does 2 spoons of sugar"*
Intermittent fasting tho
You can do whatever you want. You are the obstacle homie.
Sounds like Joe believes in drug addiction, but not food addiction or food triggers.
the psychological state has never been worse for people trying to improve themselves either. there has never been more distractions, whether it is hobbies, social media, or long work days(including commute). The standards for 'fit' are gradually raising, at least for men. Junk food has never been more available, as well as smokes, alcohol, and drugs. Instant gratification has been programmed into us now with achievements/trophies, google, file sharing, likes, upvotes, pay-to-win games, etc.
You can call people "weak", but not only does it not solve the problem, you add to it. Especially these days with all time highs of depression, anxiety, and suicides. May also notice mass shootings have become a bit routine, and having mini riots on streets and in colleges.
Everyone is being nurtured into a constant cycle of panic, nihilism, and sadism. The mentally ill are now the overwhelming majority.
Paul Thoresen well put Paul
Your just mad joe is talking about you
Paul just completed his first week of internship as a social worker.
Drugs make you physically dependent on them, sometimes so much that you die if you stop cold turkey. Food addiction is nothing compared to that
Almost 40 years old and I KNOW my biggest issue, in my whole life, has been a lack of discipline.
I'm eating Keto, but I lack the discipline to not OVER EAT the keto food.
I'm tryin...
Case Died Well how can you over eat on keto😭 one ribeye & scoop of mascarpone and I’m good for 6 hours
Stick with keto for awhile and the natural effects reduce appetite.
Case Died Well internment fasting will help.... 20/4 works for me
Case Died Well, that's ok. It's the best way to start a keto diet, to let yourself overeat for the first month. The real danger is letting yourself become hungry, as that increases your chances of breaking down and eating carbs. The key is to substitute. When you want a pancake, eat a steak. Don't worry about calories, just be damn sure you never go over 20g net carbs in a day, and stay away from alcohol. After the first month, if you never cheat carbs, you will stop getting cravings for food. Hunger becomes a vague sense that you require nutrients, nothing more. Then, it's very easy. Just never, ever go over 20g net carbs in a day, and it will get easier and easier. Having even one cheat day brings back the cravings and makes it much harder.
@@cowboyflipflopped is 20g of carbs as a cap really so necessary? I've read that that's simply the guideline they used for the medical diet for kids with epilepsy back in the 1920s or whatever, I don't think that low of a carb intake is actually necessary, especially if you work out regularly and thus keep muscle glycogen depleted. I've heard of high level athletes maintaining keto even with over 100 grams of carbs a day, but I haven't seen specific test results from those anecdotes. Joe Rogan even had a dude on I forget his name I think he was a runner he was talking about alternating between keto and non keto depending on his training cycle.
From 270 pounds to 150, been maintaining that for over a year. Took me 3 years to lose it. Sustainability, dedication and having a “why” is what works.
Joe Rogan always cuts people off but dislikes when they do it to him
Dylan Leca his show
Shawn Revenge doesn’t matter. Don’t punch me in the face and then bitch about when I knock u the tf out
He is a hard ass. Lol
He never cuts off Alex Jones LMAO
@@lucidraith4287 Alex Jones is a JRE VIP
Nobody:
Joe: I like pasta
Calorie deficit.
Eat in moderation.
Change things slowly.
I think people have a hard time adhering because they eat whatever they want, and then wake up and decide "hey. I'm changing everything"
If you get a high calorie coffee every morning. Start with simply switching to tea, or black coffee. After a few weeks if you drink 2 cans of soda a day, switch to one. Change things slowly, and eventually you'' have the result you want without a huge shock to your body.
I find that with some of my habits "baby steps" work, and for some I have more success when I cold-turkey and try to prevent and/or learn from relapse
@@thelaxinlonghorn true
That’s it! Baby steps. It’s not a diet, it’s a lifestyle!
As a person who is laying in a hospital bed from an unexpected surgery.. I just know how much we have to appreciate our health ... And not beat ourselves up... and appreciate others.
How are you doing now???
Love that line from "Central Intelligence" from Johnson, "I just worked out 6 hours a day for 20 years. I mean, anyone can do it"
They're missing a big piece: People are generally no less disciplined today than they were 150 years ago, when NO ONE was obese. The culture, availability, low cost & ease of access to processed food in developed countries overwhelms the ability of a HUGE number of people to avoid it. Finger pointing only at the people for being "weak" is missing the forest for the trees. Many of these people are highly disciplined and successful in other aspects of life. And yet they STILL stand little chance to avoid processed food, and the person of low socioeconomic status stands zero chance.
Found the liberal idiot excuse machine.
Get those facts out of here! This isn't the place for nuance and intelligence! EVERYONE back in the day was a badass Viking, and EVERYONE today is a little soy filled bitch!
Also companies have evolved in terms of formulating and creating products intended to be, and successfully so, incredibly addictive and in some cases dependent.
Thats because they were worked like dogs and starving
That's a great point that people who are disciplined and successful at other aspects of life can still struggle with weight. It's not as simple as "don't be a bitch"
It’s really simple. Track your calories, be in a deficit, make the calories you do eat count, eat healthy carbs and taper off throughout the day, Intermittent Fast if you can-makes all this easier.
Thank you
This guy covers the most interesting subjects, but when it comes to either eating/training or weed , he becomes obsessed with his own biased views.
He is right tho....
Sirianna Smash not really though as people just have different interests. Not everyone is as driven to training and proper diet as him.
@@AManCalledDutch Those people will fail then. Theyre talking about people that want to lose weight. If you dont have the interest in doing the things needed to complete that goal, youll fail.
shut up fatass
Foods with sugar and Salts fats carbs are extremely addicted and part of every day life, you have to have empathy to a degree we are all addicts Joe needs to slow down on the meat head communications at times, he himself to about being week and giving in and eating shit and he's been training since a kid and been around healthy people who also train, not everyone grow up in that environment....so have a little understanding Joe....I also agree a little people need to focus on mastering discipline and sustaining from things...
I have been on the KETO PLAN since August 11 2019 and have lost 70+lbs. I once weighed 258lbs now i weigh roughly 168lbs. I do 200 pushups daily and hit the Gym plus Boxing Open Gym
Anytime anyone contradicts keto or working out Joey goes off son !!! I think we forget that people are addicted to carbs and sugar it’s not easy to come off an addiction .
It's hard not impossible, you can do it to 👍
People are addicted to processed food and refined carbs, no ones addicted to fruit or addicted brown rice
Joe inspired me to lose weight back almost 2 years ago. Lost 45 pounds and have been maintaining it. My health problems are literally all gone. I feel great
You require more or less sleep now?
I agree with Joe in part, he needs some flexibility in his argument though, because not everybody has the same mindset. Food is very addictive, there is a science that goes in behind a companies' products. Financial resources are an issue, it's not a coincidence that poorer people are less healthier. Behavioural eating doesnt help; food does comfort depression, anxiety and other mental-health problems in the short-term, but it's not a helpful long-term solution. Research also suggests that sustaining a specific diet or lifestyle is boring to most people. There's not enough stimuli, because it's repetitive, especially to intelligent or easily-bored people. Scientifically, it is what the guy alluded too, about hormonal balances. Don't get me wrong, lazy and undisciplined people do exist and do make up a large number of people who are unhealthy, but it's not as simple as saying that people are ill-disciplined.
Food itself is not "very addictive"; processed food (and fast food in particular) are designed to be, because it keeps them selling things. For myself, it has been less than a month and a half of calorie counting, and because of that, I stopped eating fast food and sugary foods, because I wanted to actually not feel like I was starving. All in all, I've not missed it after the first week or so.
Well...I had Arby's tonight; I didn't feel like cooking, we had company, and the limited-time Diablo Dare sandwiches were still available locally. As someone who loves spicy food, and cannot stand the mediocre spice that we often get, I wanted to try it. So, we got the food. I had most of a sandwich (brisket), and two bites of the chicken sandwich. I had maybe between a snack and small size-worth of the fries, and some of a small vanilla shake. Already, I feel like garbage; not because of the spice, milk, fats, or sugars (all of those I have in moderation on my calorie monitoring), but because my body is no longer used to the garbage that it really is.
I feel like if we spend even a few weeks consciously eating healthier items, our cravings and desires begin to self regulate. For example, the other day, I greatly enjoyed something I would've hated just two months ago: Full-fat yogurt with a small bit of stevia, and a ripe banana. It was just as pleasant as eating a candy bar was only two months back, and far healthier. Getting back to the point, when we do cheat after our body begins to adjust, we get a reminder of what our body really "thinks" of those processed foods, delicious flavors and addictive qualities be damned. I believe that, for many people, the issue is both the lack of trying something different, along with the lack of discipline, which keeps them going back to fast food and unhealthy foods, which tends to make them also overeat calorically, if not quantitatively.
Joe “my theory” Rogan
If you understand what goes in to getting a PhD, you talk less and listen more. Dr. Norton is going to know what he is talking about because he has dedicated serious time studying it. Joe's experience in this area is likely anecdotal, which isn't bad if you understand that is what you're consuming.
Calories in vs calories out. Workout and don't eat processed sugary, fat food. Don't need a Phd for that.
Getting a PHD is about bowing to authority over and over and being someone's bitch ... it's BS. It ain't being "scientific" .... it's about politics and taking it up the backside over and over.
Anecdotes are great if they are yours and they make your point. Don't let the scientific religion (not the practice) tell you different.
@@pccchurchDo you have a phd?
peachees what an ungrateful way to look at the world.
Ryan D this post is ignorant
Does Joe know what sustainability means or does he just to go on a rant about discipline?
@MultiTarded Yep. Not everyone is athlete or in military. People have different stress capacity. Since some diets require a lot of resistance to stress they are not applicable for general population. Yes. People are weak and/or have very stressful lives. They won't adhere to difficult eating patterns. Period. Joe doesn't get that that cause he's living in athletic lifestyle bubble.
@@caribbeanbound8357 This is simply not true. If diet /lifestyle requires too much discipline it will go hell when individuals stress capacity is exceeded. And that's only matter of time for most people.
@@caribbeanbound8357 Of course it matters. If keeping diet requires additional stress and sacrifice then obviously it is at risk at times when one is overwhelmed with problems. This is why finding most easily sustainable diet and lifestyle for given individual is important. It doesn't have to and doesn't supposed to be that hard. That's my point. Rogans perspective is totally ignoring that fact.
@@caribbeanbound8357 That's great it works for you. But diet that continuously requires strong will will fail eventually for most people. Of course it is weakness but it doesn't change anything.
@@michwoz Thats the point he's making and that you originally seemed to have a problem with.... its weakness, mental weakness. I agree and believe the vast majority of people are just too chickenshit to face their fears and challenge themselves because they dont like discomfort. despite discomfort being the only way to grow as person
Destroy weakness before it destroys you
Yes
@@CoachingbyCade 👊🏼
Wish they'd stop talking over eachother. Missing a lot of value.
Going off your diet for a whole week for anybody would be weeks of damage.
I can 100% agree with this. This is exactly what in going through right now.
weeks? I can say more than a month of damage easy
@MultiTarded context is important, dude. You skipped the context.
MultiTarded then you’re not eating right. it’s not magic.
MultiTarded “I gain weight breathing” lol then rephrase it. People don’t just stay thin magically. Thinner people either; eat less than you. eat a lot socially, but make up for it by not eating as much in private. Have a higher BMR/TDEE. Excersize more. Have a generally more active lifestyle.
Weight loss isn’t magic. If you’re gaining weight but doing everything “right”, then your methods may need to change. Metabolism doesn’t actually effect as much as people think it does. There’s a reason why thin people are thin, and it’s not because they’re magically thin and can eat 2 pizzas 5 pints of ice cream and 4 hot dogs every day without gaining weight.
It’s science not magic
Joe hit the nail on the head, I started to diet on Jan 1st and changed my whole outlook on food and exercise. I was 20 stone 3lbs and 7 months later I am 16 stone 10lbs, I still have 3 stone to go. I fast 22 hours Monday to Friday eating before 6pm and have a meal of 1200 calories max. Saturday I Hest healthy in the day and have a treat meal in the evening, like a Chinese or kebab. Sunday I eat when I'm hungry but not not unhealthy food. Then Monday start again. Fasting Monday to Friday was hard for a month now I don't think of food until 4pm now and it's becoming my new found relationships with food. Once I had lost 2 stone I started exercising 3 times a week and now my garage is a gym. You can do it, its just that first step, I was overweight for 8 years and even the 3 and half stone makes a huge difference to your standard of living. Trust me it's easy when your willing to make a change for yourself and knowbody else.
thats still a privilege to be able to do that. With my mental health problems i literally cant fast. I'd get fired. I enjoy the physical feeling of it but OCD goes out of control. Am I a weak bitch like joe says?
@@latortugapicante719 I don't agree it's a privilege, you either do or you don't.... That's your decision to do so. Nobody can live in your mind, that goes both ways. You start with yourself and just do it.... People will always find excuses, mental health, work, weather, injury. I don't know you so can't say if your weak minded. I was weak minded for many years until I made the decision to do it. Your mind is you and all the decisions you make, once you let the negative side take control your always going to lose. Remember people have been through much much worse. Hope you can find the mindset to help yourself ✌
Use actual units of weight please
@@coasternut3091 you American?
Overall life quality plays a major role. If you are social, good looking and whatever, it's a lot easier to avoid temptations. The average and below average people who got dealt a bad hand, hamburgers or food in general, sodas and other crap are often their only sources of delight in life, which makes maintaining discipline that much harder.
Yup, ugly, overweight people aren't having regular sex which a lot of people are and are getting pleasure from that. The people who aren't find delight in food or drugs
you guys BOTH sound like a bunch of excuse making losers as if people who are having sec everyday only get happiness from that you guys must be incels
Yet, working out and eating healthy would improve their looks
I watched half of this video and realized Joe Rogan was talking about me being a bitch. So I paused it and went out and ran 6 miles. Now I'm back watching the other half.
LET DR NORTON SPEAK FFS
If you can't help yourself you don't have any help.
Anything is possible if one believes it is.
222 down from 242 by exercise and eating healthy and lots of walking and water.
Im 205 from 245 ...lol sucks but doesnt feel wayy better ...
Went from 265lbs last year July to 190 rn trying to get to 170 or 165
I lost 80 pounds doing keto and what kept me going was a genuine will from within to lose weight.
I also bought a scale to track my progress and I still weigh myself every day.
I have been on a diet that focuses on calories. And it's not hard. There's no cheat days, just stay at 2,000 calories and minimize processed food.
The diet being like that allows you to have a slice of pizza once in a while. Long as it stays in the calorie limit.
And thus it's much easier to stay on the diet. And just from that diet I've lost 40lbs. And I'm still losing weight. In the next 3 or 4 months I'll be at my goal.
No need to make being healthy a punishing miserable endeavor.
You can also take it as 14,000 calories per week. The more time you're willing to spend fasting, the more high-calorie meals you can eat. I tend to eat one huge meal and one snack every day, and keep it to 2000 calories in a 24hr period. However, if I really want to pig-out, I can do it, so long as I fast before and after sufficiently to keep my weekly caloric intake at 14,000 or less. I hit my goal weight 11 months ago, and have maintained it this way.
Caloric deficit is the most important thing. Keep up the good work:)
I agree did the same lost 20kg and I eat everything and I have zero cravings...now just maintain..
Akilleus dude ur a fucking idiot omg
@Angel Ramirez what are you talking about? You're right everyone's different, so do what works for you.
But calling anything that you don't like to eat fake food is just wierdly judgemental.
I’ve been searching far and wide for Joe talking about this specific topic
dude on the right has spray paint video game pixel hair. Or i'm drunk/high
A wig?
Must be the keytones..lol
I thought it looked odd!
You even seen impractical jokers?
The one with the spray on hair, that's what that looks like lmao
Wait there's a dude on the right?
Saying "I can't do it" and, "it's too hard" Is more dangerous than carbs.
I lost 25-30 lbs (from 205lbs to 175lbs) over a year and have never even really thought about it as "a diet". I changed my nutrition (from fast food to healthy food) and began working out 4 times a week as well as jogging... I never even once have felt the urge to give up apart from the obvious cheat day every couple weeks. I never even considered that behaviour to be an "outlier". Once you lose the weight, you feel guilty cheating. You don't want to throw away your hard work. If you lose 5-10 lbs, I guess you don't really have that "anchor of guilt"
Lost 10 pounds in the first 7 days of 18:6 intermittent fasting and keto, running daily and bodyweight exercise. That in itself is enough to keep me motivated.
I like the joe that explores new ideas, not digs into a certain idea and shuts others down.
I believe self-discipline is something you built up with practice, over time. I am not, by far, a disciplined person..but I got better over time, I am making better and better choices and sometimes I fall, but I try again. And it's not just a matter of self-discipline. It's also a matter of your thinking systems that allows you or don't allow you to do certain things. So, in order to change, you have to shift some paradigms first.
Low carb is only diet I been on where I am not starving all the time. I lost 40lbs and kept it off for 2 years. It is a lifestyle not a diet.
I really hate when any podcast has an expert on, and then don't let him talk
Yeah fuckin stupid why did you bring him? Shut the fuck up let the man talk
3 times in my life I have been at a healthy weight. I gained weight to an unhealthy level 4 times (including now very unhealthy). I need to make exercising and low carb diets into a lifestyle rather than a phase.
@Jakov Benkovićyou're right, they aren't the enemy. I've done this so much that ive learned what's right for me. Thankfully since this comment 1 year ago I've lost 17KG (37lbs) mainly from fasting
This conversation spiked my cortisol to the roof😂
Stop interrupting each other, but amazing information
But I agree with Joe, it is a discipline issue, most of the life problems are because of discipline and instant gratification.
Week people create hard times.
I’m very much someone who’s had there fair share of weight yo-young.
And I totally agree with Joe on this. It’s no ones fault but my own when I don’t sustain. It’s even more my fault, because I’ve proved I can do the diet, and I’ve proved I can show restraint. I then choose not to.
Joe describing that hypothetical cheat day ice cream sundae was beatiful
I find giving my self a cheat day on Saturday or Sunday and eating purely clean through out the week is the best for me. Just depends on you.
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Bro you shouldn't need to have a cheat day if you just eat clean foods that you enjoy. It sounds like 'eating clean' to you is a chore
@@chrisgarcia6147 😂😂
I listen to Jeff Cavaliere and don’t fear carbs
@@JJ-xr1qv Keto is a way to regulate appetite. Most bodybuilders eat carbs.
@@Anthony84739 Hes still on gear and still a skinny guy naturally
Anthony Pelletier right? J G is a fucking imbecile
You're an idiot.
@@JJ-xr1qv proof he's on stuff?
Bro im and up and down dieter. I always workout and strong asf but my body fat is always going up and down. Just realized at 30 that after u lose the weight u gotta have the same mentality in keeping it off. Im on the path to lose it again down 28 pounds currently 299 shooting for 250 baby! Holla if ya hear me!!!! 💪
I needed this today thanks!
At the end of the day I just can't help thinking there over thinking this shit. People just fall into two categories, the people that just do it and the ones that don't. It's almost as though there's just to much information so really the more you know the less you know. People just have to think of health and fitness as a journey with know destination, it's forever. This culture is saturated in quick fixes and everyone has the answer how to get there. One size doesn't fit all and diets are all just a subterfuge to keep the fatties on an eternal hamster wheel. I say take the long view, workout everyday like you mean it and enjoy your life along the way! Return to basics, there's no substitute for hard work and discipline.
Your comment deserves more likes. Its full of facts
I start my keto journey tomorrow I needed to hear this, thank you
@Gabriel El Leon Not completely, from what I know (don't quote me) you can have up to 40-45ish carbs and stay in ketosis. I do my best regardless to be as close to 0, better to be safe than sorry
on average, I have like 24-30 a day. so far so good
How is it going 10 months later?
I am not speaking weakness when I say sustainability is key. I used to think like Joe and obviously he got to where he is become of that mindset but there is no need to work against your willpower. You can put that energy to adhere to a diet elsewhere. There is no need to go mental to stay lean. Because if adherence wasn’t an issue then cheat meals shouldn’t be allowed either because that’s just a lack of discipline at a smaller scale. It is a lot different if cheat meals were allowed when cravings become extreme to stay sane or to exercise eating out whenever you want without letting that bother you, turn into a eating challenge or jeopardize your entire diet.
People workout, eat well and begin to lose weight. Once that weight is lost, they go back to their old habits. There shouldn't be an end goal. It should be a lifestyle change.
Teddy Atlas really got to Joe
People saying he’s being biased I mean obviously... he’s put in the hard work and knows how tough that shit it. He doesn’t want people to think it’ll be easy without disciple cause there is so much that goes into dieting than just eating fewer calories...
I live a similar lifestyle as Joe in that I rain every single day 6 days a week. Joe’s mindset on this is no doubt successful for a lot of people. At the same time though, Joe is so close minded when it comes to these topics. There is more than one way to achieve success in diet sustainability and success in life in general.
Exactly
“the diet after the diet” love that. super important for long term results
This happened to me, I lost 60 pounds from 225 to 165 and I started getting really f’ing hungry and I unfortunately rebounded back to 190 but it’s better than 225 still... in getting back into it before I gain more, I want to reset my set point to 165 and get lean to 145
Right around 8:20 when he goes into the whole Will smith “Brick by brick” thing. That reminds me exactly of the book “bird by bird” by Anne Lamont - instructions for life and writing. A couple letters becomes a word. A couple words become a sentence. A couple sentences becomes a paragraph. So on so on. Quite a beautiful book.
I'd love to see Andy Frisella on your show
I didn't start losing weight until I stopped trying to make it easy. IDK what clicked after 20 years of self loathing but in a way Joe's method is what's getting it done for me. Keto and no more excuses
Carb cycling works great for me high carb on lifting days low on cardio days 16/8 eating window so easy to maintain
joe should try going vegan for two months and on a budget. we'd see about his discipline then.
Sustainability comes from what you’re used to. Sustainability is different for everyone is different is BECAUSE of the why they think. The way you think is effected by diet, experiences, exercise, and basically EVERYTHING.
From observation and experience, it seems that a major challenge to discipline is discouragement that comes from underwhelming progress on any particular nutritional strategy. Most folks can likely be consistent if they're seeing measurable progress. Too often, that success is not the norm.
Almost everyone go off there diet at times including me i think the key to success is don't give up. Make it a life style and don't be so hard on yourself everyone makes mistakes be consistent find what works for you
As a diabetic if I quit I die- it’s kind of an ironic blessing
Lucky duck
OK references the set point when you lose weight and a timeframe, also keep in mind that the 1 to 2 year mark is tremendous because people have to go through holidays, birthdays, change of weather, all kinds of situations that can throw them off, but if they maintain throughout that they have allowed that eating style to become their new lifestyle. Set point theory also Has a lot to do with your emotional status and what you are emotionally and physically used to, not necessarily happy or comfortable with. Also the fact that every six months we have refreshed our cells....so if you’re holding your new weight, your new lifestyle and your new mindset past that mark at the very least you have reset a lot about your body and your metabolism.
I also think it’s important to remember to listen to your body with diet. Looking at what actually gives your body energy and all of that kind of stuff. I think it’s more important to eat more simply and focus in on the ingredients. I think it’s okay to reward yourself every now and then but to overall try and eat more healthily for your own body
It is all in the mind, techniques to influence adherence(mind tricks, hypnotherapy, etc)is a subconscious way of giving away your will. It only last for a little while, hence the reason why people cannot continue to stay committed even after "attaining" the goal.
6:20 Joe gives that look like "damn I said something hella clever just now"
Weak bitches 😂😂
Alot of people who have been on a ketogenic diet and want to come off for a vacation or temporarily regain alot of weight very quickly is because thier bodies have been so insulin sensitive for a long time, and now they're eating alot of carbs and the body just rushes to store all of it as fat. Thats why you have to do a slow process of introducing the carbs back into your diet, even if it is before a vacation begins.
What brand of keto bread and other foods is mentioned at the beginning? Couldn't hear it very well.
The end of this kind of gives me hope. I've lost weight many times and keep regaining it,(well meaning but flawed parents that created poor habits in childhood that I keep trying to correct in my 20ties) i think my problem is making it past the reset point. The lack of substantive information that is available is infuriating, everybody wants to sell you a diet plan but nobodies like here's how you actually reset your body.
The hardest part of sustainability for me is the convenience factor sometimes you find yourself in a situation where you have to eat crap and can't cook your own meal.
Thats why you become.a millionaire with a personal gym like joe first
the more u know what your body needs and know when it needs it u can use it to your advantage. if I feel weak and lazy I'll eat more carbs and veggies, if I feel sore from a workout as an example I'll eat more protein. If I feel bloated I'll eat mostly veggies, water , fruit or fast.
For me it's just knowing what your body needs and when it needs it 💪👍
I never realized how the 3 habits of weighing yourself, your food and working out can really change your life and how you think until watching this and realizing I’ve been doing that for almost a year and have mad significant advances in not only my health but all aspects of life
I did Keto a few times, and not once have I experienced relapse. On the contrary, sometimes the switch to carbohydrates seemed to have a boosting effect for my metabolism, so I lost two or three additional pounds after going back on carbs.
This is why people are now adopting a long term "low carb" diet, which is much like keto but more manageable.
Joe, you need to call Cole robbinsson. Snake diet.
He is one really entertaining guy :)
Where is the full episode? Not on podcast or here ????
I thought research shows that gluconeogenesis is a process independent of what we eat and occurs only when the body sees a need for glucose.
The most interesting stuff is at the end =( I wish it was longer.
Plateauing sucks. Tried Keto for a month lost 20lbs but then second month lost nothing even though my diet or activity didn't change. Lost the discipline from not seeing results and regained everything again. Found out that Cheat Days help reset your metabolism so you don't fall into the plateau trap. Shoutouts to PictureFit.
Also, Keto is hell. On that Intermittent Fasting game right now -- feels good.
Jungsuk Lee the initial weight loss is water. Glycogen holds water In the muscles. 1gram of glycogen will hold up to 4ml of water. If you do the maths it’s litres all over
Keto is not hell. Whats so hard about eating meat and veggies? I dont get it.
Look up dr berg keto is easy
Everyone’s body is different and everyone’s mind set is different. There are disciplined people and un-disciplined people. Eating disorders are real, psychological issues are real,. Some people really try hard to loose weight and fail over and over again because something in their present or past keeps resurfacing and they become defeated. Either way we all cannot be like Joe R. and be a disciplined machine. Sometimes it is just a matter of discipline other times it’s a matter of mental health or an eating disorder.
I’m glad you talked about the diet after the diet, because that’s what scares me the most
You just gotta take it easy on yourself and think about health.
I wish they had taken the time to explain to him that discipline isn't binary and while all systems can work individuals can be more likely to succeed on different programs. Telling someone that they are lazy because they failed at one diet type can honestly keep them from trying one that's biologically better for them.
Story of my F'ing life right here....
it is a discipline issue - holidays you eat different but you just go right back to normal healthy eating lifestyle/diet pattern and everything is good again
great discussion