REVIEW: Are WINWING the BEST VALUE flight sim panels for DCS?
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
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I've bought the F16 Stick with throttle at the beginning of this year. Was the best gaming hardware purchase in a looong time. And although I'm currently not realy playing any games and thus don't use the stick right now, I don't regret buying them. WinWing Build quality is great, the functionality is amazing. The only hindrance are games not supporting more than 32 Buttons per Stick. I'd love to get the panels too, but I realy don't need them. (But I wan't them!!!)
Yea they are making quite good quality/value gear. It’s hard not to spend money on sim gear.
Are you interested in selling the stick if you don’t use it as much?
@@wganthony05 Sorry, never going to happen, I love this stick! :D
And currently I'm flying again ;)
@@moranjackson7662 that’s great to hear, have fun!
@@wganthony05 thanks 👍
I'm in UK and my throttle arrived in less than a week. I'm blown away by the quality of WinWing. very happy to have them competing in the market.
They sure are killing it at the moment. I just reviews the MFSSB stick and while not for me the quality is superb.
Had mine over 12 months & no complaints for what I paid for them. I've had no issues with the gear handle, only the fold switch which is well known, the grub screw is now lost forever & I will get around to hot-glueing it eventually. The black finish on the hook handle has started to wear thin, I guess just like the real thing. Also bent the clamp brackets as you did, but it's chinesium so easily straightened. I also use them as button boxes in Truck simulator. But the key take-away is that everything on these panels still does what it's meant to after many, many hours of use.
Thanks for your take on the panels. I think the gear handle is something they may have fixed in later models. Button boxes on truck simulator. NICE! Thanks for sharing. I think people reading through these comments will be more help than the review itself.
The Quality is MUCH Better than I expected…and it took only 6 calendar days to arrive at my house from China! AMAZING! I recommend purchasing directly from their website!
Winwing are certainly becoming leader in the combat flight sim space. Some of their new products coming out look insane.
Thanks for the review. Having definitely made my mind up that winwing are going to be my new Hotas and button box selection of choice it was good to see a review of these after some use.
Winwing are professional Simulator suppliers they have been making large proffesional grade simulators for business use before they started making Hotas and flight panels for everyday flight simmers like us.
On release of some of thier original kit there were issues with quality of the buttons and failures when this was reported to winwing by DCS reviewers they checked out the issue and literally fired thier supplier those particular buttons/switches and got a better quality supplier. They are very focused on quality and I would reach out to inform them about the two buttons you mention in your review that broke off and you fixed with glue. I'm sure they would improve the manufactiring of the unit if you did.
The fact they make these in China is not an indicator of low quality, this company is out to make a name for themselves in the flight Sim industry for quality and value not just value, i have heard a couple of interviews with some of the heads of departments on other DCS vloggers channels quality product is very much thier main goal.
Glad I’ve managed to help. They are focused on quality as far as I can see and I wouldn’t hesitate to buy more from them.
YES. I have had mine for over a year without issue. I come from Thrustmaster and these are soooo much better. I have also used Virpil and VKB and believe they are both superior but only for the joystick for VKB and it's even for the throttles (F18) but I now have the F16 Winwing throttle so no competition there from anyone. The panels are amazing and as they are dissimilar in switch type and location they can be easily memorized by VR users (feel and press). I should add that their software is the best of a bad lot.
The virpil stick is something I’ve been lusting after for some time. I’m close to pulling the trigger.
@@g-locmedia check out Winwings F16EX metal construction flight stick and more buttons than the Virpil stick and cheaper I believe.
I coupled the Winwing Orion Throttle quadrant with the VKB Gladiator Premium stick. Great combo.
That sounds like an amazing pairing
I had the exact same issue with the gear lever. But looking at it I realized that they didn't apply any adhesive to the joint and just utilized a plastic clipping system. Considering that the round lever is applying pressure vertically accross the joint it really does need some sort of adhesive. CA gel worked really well for me.
Thanks for sharing. So I’m not the only one. I went with a tiny bit of super glue. It’s held up ever since.
@@g-locmedia Yea its a design flaw of putting the molding vertical. They thought used snap together parts as you know but failed to glue them. Pretty minor issue considering it took 20 seconds to fix and so far has not come apart again
I had the same thing happen to me too lol. Only issue ive had between the 4 winwing products I have
@@matthancock98 yea it’s the only thing that lets them down. Easily fixable though and still great value!
I suspect they built them clip-fastened in the anticipation that the light may need to be changed if it burns out?
...Though an LED really should never burn out. And honestly, I'd rather have a sturdy knob with no way to change a burnt bulb, than a knob that falls apart but always lights up.
Thanks for the review. I have yet to buy a single thing for a flight sim but after getting into these DCS videos, I am thinking about going all in on DCS, so your video was helpful as I had seen some of Winwings things. By the way, excellent video in regards to your audio and video quality.
Thank you mate for your kind comments on the video. Glad it was helpful.
Hi Patrick. Have you invested? I only discovered DCS today and I want to invest 1000’s into a setup. Wondering if you jumped in
Winwing make some pretty solid stuff. I’ve used the combat antique off panels since the very beginning and frankly, the only issue I’ve had is the gear lever handle like you did. However, they quickly sent me a replacement sense mind literally had to head snap in half. But using the F 16 stick, the F 18 stick, the super Taurus, super libra, and Orion force sensing base, it’s safe to say I’ve been much more happy then not that I got them. I’ve had a few small problems here and there but nothing that wasn’t easily resolved. The big thing I like about their stuff is it’s very much user replaceable if you do have an issue. but agreed on the instructions, they are absolutely atrocious because of the translation from Chinese to English. I did put out a video on the software, but I think it’s this point while still useful. It’s also largely dated because it’s roughly 2 years old now.
Thanks for the info. Good to see a positive view of them over the long term. Yea they do have some nice products.
Have you had any issues with it so far?
My bank called me when I bought the F-16 Throttle and stick! It kinda scared me but everything showed up just fine. I have had them for a while now. Love them well made but you have to program every button. I'm very happy though for the price!
Are you using the sim app pro?
M8 your video quality is awesome. If you can make more videos about HOTAS's comparing gear... Youre gonna blow this channel up. I would love to see you do comparison video between WinWing Orion 2, Virpil and MKB Gunfighter Mk3
Thank so much mate. Glad you enjoyed the video. Yea the channel is super fresh so I’m still trying to get the wheels rolling. Thanks again for the encouragement.
Fantastic review
I’ve just got my dof h2 motion rig and I’ll be fitting these panels to my left side on the rig for the f18 ,
I also fly the just flight hawk in vr so the gear panel will come in handy .
Just to let you know I was up at Fife airport with my vr sim they had an open day .
I was introduced to the ex raf f4 display pilot in the 90s and Archie was the chief flying instructor on hawks at valley .
He asked if he could have a go …..well that was like Lewis Hamilton asking for a go of your driving sim 😊
He did his airshow display in vr over leuchars in the just flight hawk and said he loved every minute .
I’ll send a photo which was taken on the day to your email mate and a wee clip of his f4 display which was on you tube
Cheers
Dave from Cupar in Fife
Dude, you just convinced me! GREAT REVIEW! Thanks!
You’ll love it mate. Just glue that gear lever.
Tahnks for sharing, they look great
no worries
Thank you for posting this video 🎉. You have a new subscriber. Keep up the great work 🎉. I’m looking at building my own. But I want to build a Space Station from STAR ⭐️ WARS.
Is it start wars squadrons?
you deserve more than 113 subs, good video. professional quality.
Thank you so much. The channel is only a few weeks old. So still young.
The amount of options and money you could drop for hardware in DCS and other sim software is insane. Not to mention Space Sims like Star Citizen.
It certainly is. It can be easy to get lost in it all. I always think that if it my passion then I do t mind spending the cash if the product is right.
@@g-locmedia need something for ah64 now.
@@mathgasm8484 WinWing has Sticks for helicopters as well. It can be added to the standart throttle, instead of the F18/F16 grips.
@ 0:47 My Airwing!! (I was in VAQ-139) Stingers from CVW-14 Back in the day Late 90s
I need that skin!!!
Just an FYI for those that don't know but WinWing now has a warehouse in the USA, and that's a good thing.
Great video mate. I've been looking at these panels over the vkb button boxes pretty much due to the back lit controls coz I usually play in the dark.
Would love to see a video going into your set up, looks shmick.
Keep up the vids man, great work.
Thanks mate. The backlit buttons are pretty nice. Some people think it’s not needed. But it gives a little extra layer of authenticity to your cockpit build.
I was looking at the VKB Sticks and panels, but the design isn't as good as WinWing's. The lighting is a big win!
I have the same units.. Love them... Must have for DCS.. 👍
They make it so much easier. Did you have trouble with the gear lever light casing falling off?
@@g-locmedia NO. Not at all. Had the unit for about 8 months..
Yea I thought I might be the only one this happened to. I did a fair amount of research before buying and never heard anybody say anything.
If i want something from winwing is their joystick with a long stick. I think it could be great for DCS, to precisely rotate the plane when you want to align with something.
Yea. The extension gives you a bit more precision
Any change of a review of the 2.0 version? Love the content btw!
Thanks mate. This was one of my very first videos. I think my buddy has one and I'll see if I can get a hold of it.
Excellent video, I have the F-16 and F-18 Winwing sets and love them. Winwing makes excellent hardware and software. I started out using the F-18 stuff and the jet is a blast to fly and land but the F-16 is a little bit harder to say the least. Learning all the controls has been a struggle for me as well but your video definitely helped me. Winwing will be opening back up and Monday and I am ordering both of those panel, looking foreword to more of your content.
I’m sure you’ll love them. So good for the F18
@@g-locmedia The F18 and the F16 both have different fighting styles with two pilots that are at the top of there game in a dog fight the F18 would win most of the time. I just really like the F16 throttle set up. They both use the Orion 2 base just different grips. I think the F16 grip is really fun to use. As far as the jets the F18 is easer to land because of the nice wide wheel base. The F16 is very narrow just a little mistake and flames. lol. Do you have a discord? mine is the same as my user tag on UA-cam, maybe we can jump into a game some time or even chat seeing we both do content.
Aye awesome, a reviewer from Australia where I'm from. Subbed
My landing gear split in half too. I stuck it back together without glue or anything and haven't had it happen again. I would say it depends on how you grab it. I'm probably going to add a little plastic cement to fuse it shut or some super glue and the problem will be permanently solved.
Yea that's what I did mate and it worked great!
Very nice video mate. Just curious, do you have a background in video production? Seems like the production quality of your videos is super high
Hello mate. No background. That’s just the wall in my living room
starting on taxiway is a NoGo :D
The software can be a pain but overal I'm very happy with my purchase. Mine came with ZERO instructions which was my biggest complaint
Yea if you can look past small things like that they are great.
My Top Gun MIP setup took less than four days from order to the box showing up at my door in TX.
Awesome. Let me know how you like itS thinking of ordering one.
Ive got the Hotas setup for the F16. I must say beautiful pice of kit.
The Orion2 HOTAS F-16 Viper（MFSSB）its next level.
I would love to get the F16 upfront control panel but not availble from WW yet.
Ive heard it maybe in development.
I'm in Far North Queensland
Haven’t seen the f16 panels but I did get my hands on the f18 mfds. They are made of plastic but overall quite good quality.
I hope WW will come up with something more dedicated to F-16 (HUD switches, MFD, etc). Anyway, My F-16 Orion2 Hotas is just around the corner :D.
The Orion 2 is a great Hotas
My man just took off his Fa18 from a taxi way hahaha
I thought that the Jettison select switch had a button on top of it.
I no longer have the Winwing panel or I would have double checked. Also, I don't think this unit is available anymore.
I can see they stil need to re-engineer the gear handle, it looks pretty flimsy and it's an accident waiting to happen.
That said, it looks pretty nice and probably is immersive after you get the muscle memory going.
Yea apart from the gear handle which is an easy fix I really rate it.
just got me f16 orion 2 stick yesterday, only paid 150 for it, used once. its a beeeeast. im luck iv got lots of switch options on the x56 and a sim racing button box/panel for most of my button needs, but ill be having the throttle andf these bad boys soon enough....... shame DCS 2.8 just plunged me back 10 years of performance hahaahahaha. normal clouds, a 70% render resolution(VR) and dedicated server mode has got most of that back mind :)
Why would you need to remember keyboard binds with a clickable cockpit? Not saying control panels are not great, just your reasoning seems a bit odd. Great review.
For me, the clickable cockpit is better for VR use. Rather than moving the view around I prefer trying to use the key binds as I can keep my eyes on the screen more or less however learning all the key binds was quite difficult. Its really more of a personal preference.
Legend G-LOC
Only 300 dollars!? That’s a brilliant value!
I think so too although not everyone shared that opinion. Knowing what you get after using them for over a year now I’m pretty happy.
I can't help but feel like it's a missed opportunity. I own the WinWing Orion2 throttle - and many of these switches are already there. I'm a WinWing fan, but I feel there's fewer reasons for me to get these, given that some switches are redundant.
I can understand that
@@g-locmedia I still want it though :) I guess I can repurpose a redundant switch here or there. After that, the Top Gun MIPs... love to see a video on your thoughts on those.
bro lmao why did you take off from the taxiway xD
You’re only the second Person to mention that. Thought there would be way more. Was a bit of a brain fart to be honest.
@@g-locmedia having not a lot of complaints about it is definitely a good sign that your audience isn’t a bunch of freaks
@@Viper555 lol
Nice review - I ordered mine and missed the fact that it doesn't have a z-axis, and I do not want rudder pedals - so it's just sitting there collecting dust, if anyone has an idea os a workaround other than the rudder path please leave comments. I don't mind putting a warthug grip on the winwing base if possible to get my z-axis....anyone who is willing to sell their winwing z-axis pls DM me...
That gear lever is odd, had mine since they cane out and while not flying alot now for a solid year, year and a half I was flying 2-3 hours every day without problems. Maybe it was a fault in that particular molded piece. I also have the problem with the wing fold selector.
Very nice overview/review. Do you have any videos of your full sim setup?
I will be making one of those soon.
@@g-locmedia Nice. Your setup looks awesome.
@@g-locmedia yes please!
I wish the win wing shipping was cheaper cause I was going to buy the throttle and joystick pack but it costed something like 160usd in shipping which is just crazy especially considering I'm in paying in AUD. Really wish the shipping was cheaper cause they are creating some gamechanging stuff
Yea that’s an issue at the moment. I think all manufacturers are having trouble with shipping since covid.
@@g-locmedia Yeah, it is definitely making consider whether I get the throttle and joystick, I guess the main problem is that the throttle has no rudder control and I have no way to control it otherwise as my current throttle has rudder control. All solutions for rudder control are so expensive I don't really know what to do anymore.
Dude, you took off from a taxiway!!
yes I did! Can't believe it's taken this long for someone to notice.
@@g-locmedia 😀
No, too many buttons are just double on throttle and panels.
Guess cr panel is best value for money.
Got orion2, f18 stick and cr panel.
are these panels only restricted to single aircraft or can you use them on any aircraft
You can use them in any aircraft and configure them how you like
Do a cockpit review and overview please.
Would you like to know more about my current setup? I've had a few requests like that. I will definitely do one soon
@@g-locmedia would love that
Too bad you can't get the landing gear panel or other one anymore :(
Stock with winwing fluctuates quite a bit.
Did you try the Main instrument panel yet?
No I haven’t. But I’m on the considering buying one.
I think my biggest issue is that I use VR so I'd love to have these but I don't know how'd they function when you can't directly see them.
You can develop a bit of muscle memory but some switches are more difficult than others but I know what your saying.
@@g-locmedia I VR I find VAICOM Pro with a bit of config works making most commands voice actuated
did you just take-off from a taxiway at 0:32? and yes, winwing are a great value. I use their HOTAS but haven't been able to grab these panels as they are always out of stock.
I did. You’re one of the very few that have noticed.
Nice
👍👍👍❤❤❤
The website never has stock
Yea over the past few months they have had stock issues unfortunately
On your flight cockpit, which did you use? You stated extrusion? Where can you purchase that at sir? I fly in VR.
It’s a Next Level Racing F-GT Elite cockpit. Check out www.nextlevelracing.com
@G-LOC MEDIA thanks a million sir
@@davidjames7382 no worries
Ok someone help me out, I want to start DCS and plan on using VR. I am wondering what the best setup is cause I can’t afford panels like that
The Logitech X56 would be my pick. It has enough switches and controls on there that you’ll never have much need to take your hands off the controls. The quality is pretty good too.
@@g-locmedia Ok thank you so much. Last question would be is it recommended to use the mouse with my other hand or a VR handle? I have been searching all over to figure out whats better and haven't found much
@@user-dx4hb5le4v you could get a hand tracking, but they are pretty expensive. I personally just use the vr controller to do whatever and then put it next to me where it doesn’t annoy me but can still pick it up if i ever need it
I'm sure if i brought WW they would do the job, yet after buying Virpil i don't have much faith in either WW/VKB, they don't seem as robust nor anywhere near the quality of Virpil. If your buying Virpil/VKB/WW, they are all premium products, and with all the hefty additional costs, i wouldn't want to take a gamble. They are interesting none the less.
The virpil products are a level up. I just did a video comparing the control panel 2 vs the WW f18 panels.
@@g-locmedia Good to know. Kudos
i am also in australia and im a bit confused, are prices shown in AUD or USD on the site?
Prices are in USD
how do these extra boards work with VR....i would be fumbling around wont i?
I’ve used a little bit of VR with them. You do develop some muscle memory but it’s not easy at first.
What's the power requirements for these panels? Do they suck a large amount of power or no?
I’ll need to look at the manual for that info but I can tell you they run off of USB power from the pc. I’ll get back to you on the power draw.
@g-locmedia thank you much appreciated! Loved the video btw
I'd love these. But I refuse to be overcharged by such an insane amount, for some green glowie buttons
I can see where you’re coming from and I was somewhat of the same view before I ordered them. But after using them my views changed. They made a big difference to the experience.
C’mon……..they are sooo cheap. How can you say they are overcharging??
@@g-locmedia in sure the experience is much more immersive, especially in VR. The keyboard shortcuts are garbage to be fair, but they do the trick. I unbound everything and just bound the important stuff to the HOTAS, and the other bits to some macros for ease
@@markturner6091 so cheap lmao i wish. You could buy a cheap car for less than the setup. For what it actually is, it's overpriced. Probably costs about £20 for them to construct the thing 😂
If you look at what goes into the making of some of the hobby versions of hardware on the DCS forums, such as the TEDAC units for the Apache that some guys are making, it’s an insane amount of work. Not to mention the wiring knowledge, plus sourcing of he correct switches and panels, you are looking at weeks of work, if you could even do it yourself. $150 is about what I would charge a client for half a day of my time. I would very happily pay that and even double for one of those panels. And try getting that made in the USA for even fraction of that price……Sorry, you are wrong, these are great value and by passing on them, you are missing out on a great dimension to your simming……..
is there all panels for f18 so not need build them after all LOL or lets use VR no panel no monitors
Or panels with VR. Nothing wrong with that. I'm flying exclusively VR and have a lot of stuff around me and in front of me. Yeah, you can't see it, but you can use it and muscle memory kicks in after a time of practicing. I infinitely prefer to flip the gear lever than clicking on it. When I want to deploy a shute in F5 - I reach out and there's a handle in basically the same shape for it. No need to remember a binding or use the mouse. Just feels better.
"I don't know if i'll ever master the flight sim"
Maybe try taking off from the runway 🥴
What extrusion mounts do you use
Mounted direct to a Next Level Racing F-GT Elite
@@g-locmedia G'day G-Loc. I've got the same NLR cockpit but for simracing. About to add the flight adapter set :) Late to DCS... Any chance you can show us a photo of how you attached the panels? Can't quite make it out in the vid.
@@steven.j.heaton1850 hello mate sorry the Sim is completely different now as this is a very old video. Are you taLking about the HOTAS?
@@g-locmedia Thanks for getting back to me on an old vid. At about 5:46 I can just make out what looks like a rail extrusion behind the Winwing flight panels. Just curious how the mounting to the NLR F-GTe cockpit chassis worked out. No biggie :)
Yup! It frustrates me that an American company can’t do what win wing does.
Winwing are killing it. Have you seen their new rudders?
@@g-locmedia I have them!
@@g-locmedia the updated takeoff panel is fantastic as well!
@@g-locmedia Yes. I own them!
@@LFOD1776 what do you think of them? Do you have the damper?
I’ll never master the flight sim…. Takes off from taxiway. 😂
is this multipurpose or some airplane model. where is located all same buttons in f18 LOL or are these aöll left side panels..waitin mayne genuine panels come why spend money. when even out of stock LOL i know button locations on f18 but i not remember names. its confusing if buttons are here and there in one panel LOL. i want all panels like it is. money on my wallet xD i have all buttons arduidos laser engraver and router buyed but lazy build lol.
those mfd screen would be nice. mayby they fit on thrustmaster mfd button thingys LOL
based on the F-18 but can be set for use in any plane or sim
Discontinued D:
I think they have a V2 out
@@g-locmedia Of one, Not both. Plus its a different dimension. I liked the symmetry these had.
Just be warned, if you have any problems with your kit be prepared to disassemble and chat with customer service for 7 months or longer. You have to fix everything yourself, and they will not replace your faulty product. Instead you will have to wait for parts to be sent, and repair it yourself. And customer service speaks really bad english. I’ve bought the Orion 2 and the F-16 throttle grip in may 2022, and now it’s almost 2023, and they still haven’t fixed it.
Apart from the horrible customer service, I agree that it is a decent bang for buck. But the battles with customer service totally ruined it for me unfortunately.
Thanks for sharing your experience. It’s good for other people to hear things like this.
One week from China to Germany
Really? That’s insane.
I can not get their web page to allow me to even create a full account. I have asked for help from them and they never answer any of my e-mails. 10 e-mails have been sent to the Correct link and Nothing. Virpil got my money I use the Virpil Panel and they have a USA web site too. If WINWING will not give you Help they don't care about making the sale. If I got a bad Item how will they stand behind it if they will not even return a e-mail? I see a lot of people in England buying from them no problem. Maybe they just hate me. Why should I have any trust in this Company after this?
This hasn’t been my experience but I’m with you on how annoying that could be. Virpil do make some amazing equipment. Hoping to get my hands on some son. What virpil gear did you get?
@@g-locmedia I got the Panel#1 The Collective and the VPC WarBRD base with the Constellation Grip. All good stuff Thanks for asking. I'm quite puzzled with the No Contact thing. I have not heard anyone else having this problem with them. Best of luck.
@@dishdoggiegaming7254 That constellation grip look unreal. Happy flying mate!
They are the only flight panels :)) the rest are all for commercial poop.
Thaws are great. I rate the quite high.
I always laugh at all these people talking about how great the 'build quality' is with this super-expensive GAME hardware, and in the next breath talk about pieces falling off and 'known issues' with stuff that has only been out for a year! It's not acceptable to have to fix and glue things yourself after paying $300 USD to play games ($415 CAD for me). I recently sold a dusty Saitek X45 HOTAS that still worked PERFECTLY after 22(!) years. Our standards have dropped VERY low these days. One year without falling apart is now considered 'good build quality'...🤣😂🙄
I stand by what I said about it being “well built with only two shortcomings being the gear lever” Because it is. With all the sim gear I’ve had access to over the years there’s some experience there and I’ll stand by that.
@g-locmedia I've been buying stuff too since the 90"s. Spend some time over in the Winwing thread on the ED forums. Lots of horror stories about the Winwing throttles and Winwing's horrendous customer 'support'...
taking off from the tarmac....big no no.
Recommendation: don’t publish DCS content with a takeoff from the taxiway 😅
*wants more realism, takes off on taxiway*
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Taking off from taxiway ? Really. Stopped there.
If maverick can do it, we can all give into the laziness from time to time
@@JeronimoStilton14 😂
China not interested
Total waste of money. Ok for a flight stick, ok for a throttle (if the flight stick doesn't have one), ok for rudder peddals (if the throttle doens't rotate in the z axis). But the rest..... Plastic overpriced stuff. These people certainly know how to make money..
I do t reckon these are overpriced at all. They are made pretty well.
It's not even plastic though lol. Everything but the landing gear lollipop and wing fold dial are plastic. All of their products are the best value on the market.
Both panels all time out of stock. Only this panels only are cheap from that company. For you i advice to change that impossible shit warthog base on some Virpil, it will be another level in DCS.
I recently got the virpil control panel and love it. I think I’ll be getting the virpil throttle sooner than later.