Yea other than that you didn’t really didn’t miss anything. She is described as having pale skin and red hair, but again the argument I made is that she is a Jötun, a shapeshifter, they don’t have a single form. There’s also an old term, “moors”, used for black nobles. They were highly respected during medieval times because they were rich. You can find lots of paintings of moors. So it’s not WRONG to have a dark toned person walking around in Northern Europe at that time. Honestly, as long as it’s a good story I don’t care. Like you, I don’t notice race unless someone else points it out. It’s not the first thing that comes to my mind. I kinda like it actually. She’s beautiful, which is kinda accurate to the mythology, and I think it’s a really good change that they made. I think when the game comes out and people get involved with the story people won’t care about the color of her skin anymore.
Just curious, I'm creating a story that includes the Egyptian gods. I've described them as being fair/pale skinned. Would this be inappropriate. Divinity has been traditionally seen by most cultures as being being bright, white, etc. Its sort of the opposite of the god of war problem. There weren't really any black people in ancient Scandinavia nor were there really bright almost pale skinned people in ancient egypt. What are your thought?
I mean cmon guys, mimir literally calls him “A Fat Dobber” and we also see both of his sons, Magni and Modi so the design is fairly accurate to them aswell, so i dont know what you were expecting
When I heard him say fat dobber I thought he meant it metaphorically not literally. I'd pictured Thor as a strongman not an overweight guy that is stuck in bed eating pizza.
@@lukeskywalker82 no I'm saying that there's a difference between overweight fat and muscular fat, please don't make assumptions without understanding first.
Mimir literally calls Thor a "fat dobber" multiple times, and while he is a storyteller, Mimir rarely ever exaggerates to the point of being fictitious. If Mimir implies that Thor looks fat, then he likely is.
Exactly my thought. People in the comments like "but in the mythology!!" The mythology doesn't matter that much when Loki/Atreus was born just 10 or so years before Fimbulwinter, his a greek demi-god (although Fárbauti's name can mean "anger striker", so it kinda fits. And what most people forget is that there were/are multiple interpretations of the myths, so there never was ONE Thor, and he HAS to look a specific way.
@@sktalking223 Yes, I don't remember whether that was mentioned in the video, but Thor one time was tricked into drinking an entire ocean and apparently barely noticed. So I think it would definitely fit. Also, I don't think Thor is necessarily strong because of muscles but because he's Thor, i.e. an Aesir God.
@@James-mw1yf wouldn't say he barely noticed since he was trying to finish what he thought was a horn/goblet of drink, but simply couldn't, as it was later revealed to be the ocean. Also, a person can be muscular yet have a fair amount of fat, in fact it's most commonly the case. Traditional strongmen, linemen (football), and sumo wrestlers for example are very strong, but have somewhat fatty guts. It's also worth noting that Norse and Greek views of physical perfection differ so it makes sense that Thor won't have the same body type as say Heracles.
One year later, I've just got to say, making thor look that way, a behemoth of a man, looking like 2,5-3 meters tall, at least 200-250 kilos of pure destruction, was better than any muscly, ripped thor they could have given us.
Yeah it was perfect for his character most of all since well..The truth is Most strong men in the world come from Scandinavian countries so yeah Thor would look like that.
Seeing Thor's design to be accurate to Strongmen is both refreshing and hilarious. Just imagining a 350 lb god just sprinting towards Kratos, pale belly flashing the world is amazing.
@@strygwr you do know that both Brian Hall and Hafthor Bjornnson are accomplished boxers, right? That requires lots of stamina and endurance that they clearly have
@@grimnir8872 The physique portrayed in this Thor version would break your spine on his knee and rip your head bare handed. Most of the worlds strongest men look similar to that, with a belly.
@@thelordoftime803 No he wouldn't. He'd take a few dozen steps and fall over wheezing due to the hilarious bloating he has, he looks like he never stopped his intake. Thor is also the god of Farmers, Labourers and Woodsmen, hence his icon being a HAMMER. His body would be one of a rugged outdoorsman who gets his strength from working, not from hitting a high tech gym to do very specific training regimes. Vikings were not Greeks, they did not have Gyms.
@@grimnir8872 have you ever worked a labour job? Some of the guys look exactly like thor LMAO. And this thor is absolutely a powerful looking guy. I wouldn’t beef with him, man would wring my neck
I’m still confused on why everyones so surprised, in the last game he was constantly being called fat and such, I wasn’t surprised at all and was actually happy for the continuity
It's sort of a bias. Because the most popular depictions in media (mainly the MCU) have Thor just shredded and ripped. We come to think of it as the norm despite it technically just being a persons idea of Thor, not the actual source material
This is a case of too many idiots have access to the internet and can comment their rubbish opinions on why Thor should look like his Marvel representation. Santa Monica pay a lot of attention to detail people, everything they put in the God of War games has been shown to have a lot of thought put into it and can be explained
Atreus: “ Father… when will i look like you?“ Kratos: “ In what way?” Atreus: “ Like… BIGGER. When will i get muscles like you? Kratos: “When you work for them.” Atreus “ But… Baldur was REALLY strong and he didn’t have any muscles.” Kratos: “My strength does not come from my body, but both are honed by discipline.” Atreus “Whats that mean?” Mimir: “Means you’ve got the strength of a god no matter what lad, But if you want the physique of one you better start picking heavy things up and putting em back down”
I for one am still complaining about that tbh, since they messed up all the underworld gods, but eh. Their main goal back then was making big badass monsters.
I'm mad about it, I just don't really have social media, and definitely didn't have it when God of War 3 came out. I'm not really bitching about Thor online either, but I'm mad. I'm kinda coming to terms with it I guess
@@SomeGuy-mt4hq expectations set up by every other design I guess. Every character has our usual standard of attractive. Then we get fatty over there, I get that it's fairly accurate but I'm still salty.
@@Al77343 you do realize fat character designs exist? Even though it makes perfect sense, the fact he's fat bothers you? I hope it's more than just "he's fat, i don't like it" because that's just a bad look. Thor's a fucking viking god, vikings are portrayed as mountains of man meat in most media, just because he doesn't have the abs of chris Hemsworth shouldn't be a problem
Do you remember where you found that information about Sigyn being the goddess of loyalty (if it was online)? I've been trying to google her, but the pages I looked at never stated she was a goddess over anything, just who she was in relation to others.
Thor looked and act like the sort of guy who would angrily ask, "Is this your car?" before showing on it what happens when you screw with strangers "in the Alps".
I didn’t like the frail old man look, I understand it served this Odins purposes in interesting ways but to me Odin the all father would be a genetic masterpiece. A buff Gandalf with an eyepatch. However that would be mythology Odin who was far more noble than this Odin.
@@dococ3272 I don’t think “noble” would be the right word to use when describing Odin in the myths. There is literally a story in Norse Mythology where Odin gains and exploits the trust of a giantess named Gunnlöd, sleeping with her for three nights to steal the Mead of Poetry guarded by her. In that same story, he also tricks a group of otherwise innocent giants into accidentally killing each other with scythes by throwing a whetstone into the air. I agree that the design for Odin in GOW was kind of underwhelming, but it kind of makes sense given his status as a trickster god in the original myths. (IE Intentionally hiding his true power to deceive his enemies). Besides, a lot of modern mythology-inspired fantasies like the MCU for instance, seem to forget that in addition to being a king and a warrior, Odin was also very much a trickster and a con-man who would lie, cheat, and kill to further his goals.
The best thing about this is that MCU Thor eventually became "Fat Thor" during *_Avengers: Endgame_* and people loved him even more afterwards. People will most likely still enjoy GOW Thor if he's handled right.
@@johnnysalery7383 plenty of people complained about fat thor at the time then too, though. Yeah, they mostly got forgotten in the wake of public consensus of the film being decent but...
There is a theory that she is either full Egyptian or half, as she could lead the GOW franchise to the Egyptian pantheon. Similar to out Loki is half Spartan and not full Norse.
@@sam_widge9183 most of the bag guys from the series have been assholes with pretty much no depth (not saying that’s very bad since you do have to want to tear them to pieces) and seeing Magni and his brother it seems like Thor will be the same
@@alexanderjohnson6178 That's a fair critique. However, I would like to raise Baldur/Freya as good examples of villains. Just a son with no feeling and emotion. And a grieving mother with a vendetta against Kratos' own morals. "Break the cycle" He said, as he broke her son's neck. Meaning she can have some depth when she returns. Only Ragnorok will tell. Cheers man, good points you brought up.
i dont think anyone actually care about Thor... its the African people have an issue with. Imagine if this was set in Egypt and they made even one god white... can you imagine the reaction? so why is okay with the gods of white Europeans?
@@t8kabr8km85 i think it works. she's not exactly a god. she's a jotun. not worshipped, not a major presence in the grand scheme of the world, just there. it was done to visually demonstrate some "other"-ness from being so. besides, the norse traveled all over the world, and people probably immigrated there. I think the problem would have been concerning if ALL of the important characters didn't fit the area, but one single person seen as an outsider to the rest of the group? that seems acceptable to me. you're good to disagree, of course
@@Deniolia Jötunn have been shown in the GOW universe to differ wildly in appearance. Jormungandr is a snake, Faye was a redhead and tall, Surtr is literally made out of ash, one had 6 arms, &c.. But one of them is black? God forbid!
@@piyo744 yeah, why would they be black? That makes no sense, well, heimdall could be black if you know the lore you'll understand why. Stop destroying white cultures.
It’s lore accurate. The bracelets; they are supposed to be iron bracers that allow him to use his hammer. Most Vikings even refer to bracers as gauntlets, but in his story actually says “Iron Bracelets”. His appearance; Thor is described as having “Blood red eyes” and “red hair” and is actually depicted as “Ugly” being compared to a boar. Over all this depiction is only missing the stone in Thor’s head and the goats that pull his chariot.
@@DripofSteel the agenda to fuckup everything I like with their woke ways and black Asian women with no legs or Abby killing Joel dang he was such a cool guy
@@AAA-hd5dv I’ve been doing a lot of research on Angraboda to try and find the agenda you were speaking of, and I’m sorry to tell you; -- *This is ignoring that I didn’t say anything about her. And was only talking about Thor.* But since it was an ordeal, let’s talk about her because she is way off of her actual depictions in actuality. So let’s get down to the facts here. A lot of depictions of her are untold on her true appearance, due to her being a giant, though this is in my own research and I could’ve just found mostly bad sources, but if were being real here she is most often described with these traits, Most of which are in paintings or books; *Giantess and Late Wife of Loki, Angrboda, furthermore known as 'the harbinger/bringer of grief' or a ‘mother of monsters’ and had been depicted or described as having bright yet dull reddish hair to interpret that of dried blood, a tall yet masculine physique due to her giant heritage, and bright pale skin.* This is the best depiction possible of a basic overall description, Vikings didn’t have a lot of people of darker skin tones in they’re mix because at that time, they just didn’t cross race gaps in terms of meeting new races. If you weren’t them, most likely the only long shaft you’d see was a sword. Not to mention the climates and area’s they lived in didn’t allow much of them to get a tanned complexion. An average description of a Viking being a man/woman of Pale complexions, Lighter hair shading(Normally Red/Blonde/or sometimes Brunette), with mostly Blueish Green/or Brown eyes. At this point in time, while they would force themselves upon women when theyd invade, they wouldn’t just come back for those women, they’d leave and never come back, or worse, kill the woman after forcing themselves on them.
@@AAA-hd5dv the only agenda here is forcing outside views on a heritage that doesn’t belong to the people who are mad she can’t be black. If we came in and white washed all of the African or Egyptian gods, obviously there would be problems. Now I’m not accounting for the white people who don’t belong to Norse heritages, as they’re just doing it mostly to combat it. But that’s the exact problem, if it’s not your heritage, why do you have the right to rewrite it in a literal sense. But given it’s a game, I couldn’t give a shit less....which is why I avoided bringing her up in the first place.
I’m actually ashamed of myself because I’ve been biased against his GOW design due to constantly seeing his Marvel iterations. But after remembering the stories Mimir tells about him and how he describes Thor as well his actual description according to Norse mythology which my brother used to tell me about, I’ve learned that strongman Thor ain’t so bad, it’s just accurate.
Same. I was incredibly bias because of all the way Thor has been portrayed. Just completely ripped but in Norse mythology and realistically, he doesn't have to be shredded to be strong
I've always thought that Thor's design is practical and realistic. Not many people are aware that the strongman body build has fairly large amount of fat and not just muscles.
Ueah it's annoying. All people have bodybuilders and Hollywood actots in their minds when they think of strong men, but unfortunately not... Strongmen. The strongest men in the world are strongmen and they look exactly like Thor in this game. I wish WSM would become more mainstream so we can finally escape the hate of fat and obsession of 6packs and go back to oldschool strength as the ideal physique.
@@μαριοςΚαπετανοπουλος I mean sure he doesn't have to look like a bodybuilder and I'm sure GOW Thor will have an ironic reason for him to have gotten that fat. But in the actual myth Thor is more well built than GOW Baldur is. Because he is a Norse Warrior that loved to fight more than all the other gods and was known for his profound lack of intelligence among his peers at least.
Now don't get me wrong here, I have no issues with Thor's big belly, but this whole strongmen argument people keep referring to dosen't really apply to Thor. Actual strongmen are built from head to toe, not just their bellies. If he was meant to be like an actual strongman, his whole body would be bigger, not just his stomach. And again, I don't have a problem with his appearance. Baldur was as skinny as a street cat and he knocked out the World Serpent in 3 hits. Appearance clearly does not dictate strength in God of War, I just don't understand people comparing Thor to actual strongmen.
@@Yougotcaged102 Idk man. Dude looked built like a tank. I'm not sure why you think his belly that's only big. It makes sense to have Thor to have a belly. Thor has a huge amount of apetite for food and booze. Booze alone can get you large belly. Beer belly as they call it.
@@misteris2385 What throws me off the whole "strongman" argument, is that his chest is very small. Especially for his long arms, which seem to be longer than they are muscular. Like I said in my last comment, I don't have a problem with the design. But when I think of someone who is strong, but also flabby, I think more of a Wilson Fisk type, or Braun Stroman.
I missed the controversy train and just saw Thor spoiler free in the game. I LOVED it. Especially his personality and character. He’s a half giant, a warrior and a father to three kids. Giving him that design given his position made me love it all the more.
Thor's inborn power is more than enough to crush and murder anybody that dares to even look at him wrong. He is the God of Thunder! He is Odin's greatest warrior! Who the hell is he trying to impress with dieting and grooming? He isn't the God of Modeling!
I really don’t like his armour, I hope that isn’t actually what he wears. So dam stupid. Protect everywhere else except his belly and it looks silly and makes him look way less intimidating
The girth that you see strongmen have is actually used to help lift weights. Similar to how deadlifters use belts as leverage to lift the bar with, strongmen literally use their stomachs as leverage to pick up large weights, like the Atlas stones. The extra bulk is also used to protect the their internal organs and their bones especially their spines. Bodybuilding focuses more on the appearance of the muscles and how defined they can get. While they are still strong, bodybuilders are built more for show instead of functionality while strongmen built for maximum functionality.
@@AimlessSavant great for strength, but both are not peak human (because there is no peak human). Peak human for lifting! Peak human for muscle definition. Peak human for cardio? No! 😂😂Peak human for hunting? No. Peak human for fightining? No!
personally, thor was one of my favorite characters in the entire game. He's a complete boss and even better than what I had imagined prior to me playing the game
I was born in Norway and I always did imagine Thor with a bit of a gut. Not as much as this one, but I did. I really like it and I think it looks great, and I hope it makes people more aware of how different Marvel's Thor is from the mythology. Edit: holy crap! 1K likes! Omfg!
I like the idea of Thor having some fats too, but I don’t like how the outfit is designed to put emphasis on the belly. And he’s still a warrior too, so it should be a mix of fats and muscles. That gut is only fats.
Even Kratos in the newer rendition of God of war has a much larger trunk due to the realism of the strongman build. I very much agree with what you say here
Kratos has gotten older, so his body's gotten more squared away, while back in the Greek Days when he was younger he just outright was thinner but more of a "I'm much stronger than I look" but they DID make it that physically he's gotten a bit stronger than the Greece days.
@@weasel003gaming7 Back in Greece his body looked like a Greek god, now he looks like a buffed dad, which he is. So far the GOW depictions have been fitting, cant see why people are mad over Thor.
One thing that people keep forgetting about Thor, and being swedish it annoys the shit out of me. Thor is pretty strong just by himself, but what grants him his strenght is his belt. Yes - he has a magical belt that grants him the strenght. There is a myth which plot is that Loki steals his belt and he has to deal with being weak and getting it back. Happy you mentioned the belt.
one thing people keep forgetting about Thor, and being jamaican and american, it annoys the shit out of me. Is that the man is a confirmed crossdresser who is so beautiful when cross dressing he can fool anyone into thinking he is a beautiful goddess.
fun fact I worked in strength and conditioning for several years: those 'guts' were called "boilers" in the 80's. coaches used to look for guys with good "boilers" to work the O-Line. this is a cool channel! I'm gonna check out more of this!
@@asmodaymomo5780 no it isn't. He doesn't look like that in text, or found archeological evidence, or in preserved illustrations. Granted, most of the latter two groups consist of highly stylized imagery, but the artists would have definitely found a way to show that Thor was fat if that was how they thought he looked.
@@Ahmadabdal_ that's the game's lore, though. With the same recursive logic, any author of an adaptation can justify all sorts of BS that directly contradicts the source material. Meanwhile in the myths, even in the version of them written down by Christian scholars, Thor isn't a "fat dobber" single-mindedly dedicated to base urges and violence; he isn't a Hollywood style Fat Evil caricature.
The design of Thor wasn't dumb or "progressive", it was well informed and accurate. Mythology is in some cases a lot more realistic than modern media in those ways: it gives an accurate representation of what was accepted in culture and in history. The Greek Gods were all very gorgeous, save the few black sheep in the herd, but they were all depicted with smaller endowments because it was a sign of wisdom in Ancient Greek society. I still hear people write that off that it was just made up to make people feel better about themselves, and it's so nice to see modern media taking a shift towards a more "realistic" depiction of characters who are based on an existing idea or character.
@Pro Semite Obviously? But you can’t complaining about white washing constantly (which leftists do) and have a double standard that makes it suddenly okay when it happens to white people. Seriously, black washing has been happening for years in media regarding historically white figures, it’s inaccurate and promoting a political agenda. I have plenty of examples I don’t mind Thor being built like that, but Angrboda being Asian is clearly forced diversity and it’s inaccurate to Viking culture. Keep in mind being remembered past your death is like the number 1 priority of Drengskapr
I actually find this Thor to look more intimidating. A man who's fought battles his whole life so you can actually see that with this one. I hope he's actually a formidable foe for kratos. Kratos shouldnt defeat him easily at all. Also Asgardians do eat and drink a lot
Me too i like him more than marvel's thor no hate to chris hemsworth i love him,but i am just to attached to mythology(i know he is not called fat in mythology)When i was thinking for thor in my mind i had more bad ideas.And he is nkt ugly like everybody calls him
@@quarantinejet2312 Physically; they kinda are in alot of cases. Particularly Thor (see every Myth that Thor is in). As far as Gods go; I'm not entirely sure. Thor could probably 1v1 Zeus without too much of a problem (he killed a giant Serpent that couldve destroyed the world so)
Who would you naturally fear more? A muscular, clean cut, handsome dude that looks like Chris Hemsworth or this overweight burly belligerent that doesn't look like he'd think twice about bouncing your head off the sidewalk?
Strongmen are "fat" because because they eat LOADS of food, but they do that to help get them strong. They also have incredible core strength which can maybe make them look fatter. But assuming that its true that Thor eats a lot of food, it makes a lot of sense that he is bigger. Plus it just looks funny to have this incredibly powerful man that has a bit of a gut.
My only complaint about thor is that he’s not wearing any form of armor. Granted, neither did Baldur but HE was invulnerable to literally almost everything. Thor does not have that excuse
@@kobayashi1194 Those three? Under normal, non-GoW circumstances, killing a hellenistic Greek deity is nigh impossible with weapons cuz they can’t really DIE. Really, if you can keep them consuming necter and ambrosia, and if they have plenty of worshippers, THEN they can die of physical and spiritual starvation.
@@Alphapkmn the same can be said of norse deities. Only Divine weapons have ever been shown to harm them & they consume fruits of Immortality just like the Olympians. Who can still die btw, Ares almost "died" after being trapped in a jar by the giants. Hephaestus was crippled for life. Other examples probably exist.
I'm from Denmark and I've sorta heard Norse mythology stories throughout my life from teachers and museums ect.. and I always had my idea of Thor fit what we see the God of War concept.. He's a drunken, burly violent man... not a model
He's the strongest, not the most fit. He is described as a great feaster and drunk. He was never meant to be an athlete. He's a lot of muscle under neath his insulating fat. He doesn't need to run a marathon, only a few steps to swing his hammer.
The idea is that if you have enough muscle to LIFT, it's thicc around the trunk so that when you *do* lift, you don't snap your spine or pelvis in half when you flex, as the muscles provide both support and tag into said lifting.
I think my only "problem" with Thor's design is definitely the lack of body hair. I always kind of imagined that he'd have hair on his gut and chest, bit I guess it is entirely plausible that he'd be smooth-bellied. Still, I feel like it would look better with just a little bit of hair. Edit: *Alright this one's for my new acquaintance the IrishguyfromIreland, written in big bold letters because they need it: I DO NOT hate the design. I hardly even CARE about the design. I said I personally felt like I would like it more if he had a small amount of body hair on his gut and chest. Even then, my opinion on it has changed as I've grown to like his design after playing the game and when some people pointed out how difficult it would be to pull off. I never even once implied that I hated the design, just that it was different to what I imagined. I certainly never said that MY OPINION was the be-all and end-all and that "everyone else is wrong and should hate the game because this was slightly different to what I assumed Thor would look like", so I don't understand why some people are treating it like I said that. I even said that it would be "entirely plausible" for him to be a clean-shaven boi and never even said that it was a bad decision/it didn't make sense. The fact that I need to elaborate so deeply on this is genuinely disheartening. I just don't want to delete my comment because of a few, for search of a better word, dumbasses getting salty over it.* Edit 2: Okay, so I was drinking a bit when I wrote that but I'm not going to delete it because it's actually funny af how it's longer than my original comment. Also, drink responsibly.
If im bout to whack my son's killer I would clean shave and present myself prim and proper first to see if he's a wise reasonable man. Then grow out that chest hair over the few rounds that we gonna tussle over a long winter
@@Tribrid-zv3nq Like I said, "problem". It's more just a small nitpick than anything, as I always got the impression that he would be a rather hairy guy, given the area he lives. Again, everything else about the design is basically perfect.
No it doesn't and no beer belly Thor In actual mythology is not fat or stronman. Accurate Thor would be Mike Tyson. Lot's of endurance for fighting and lots of strength for giving punches. This God of War Thor fights will be hilarious and bad. 😅 hopefully They animate that Thor belly jiggles everywhere, when he runs. 🤣
@@OnlineWithMikko Actual Thor is so fucking heavy that he can’t use the rainbow bridge or else it’d break under his weight (according to the Prose Edda). You need an incredibly specialized diet and training schedule to achieve Mike Tyson’s body structure. Thor drinks enough mead and beer to kill a few dozen men every day and eats whole oxen. He doesn’t need to pack a punch, he needs to swing a hammer really fucking hard and for that, the strongman/blacksmith body type is just fine. I think it’s fair to say that Thor is probably really both fat and incredibly muscular.
This is how Thor is depicted in Norse mythos. The only people that would complain about that is Marvel fanboys and fangirls who think Thor's supposed to be a tall, handsome, well built blonde man.
@@leonecartelreborn9628 exactly. modern media has tailored everyone into thinking every powerful male character needs to have the physique of a Greek god, with hardly any body fat. I prefer GoW’s depiction over Marvel’s any day.
Thors design in combination with his voice makes him a genuinely menacing character he’s a giant compared to kratos and is an absolute mountain compared to atreus
Question: Didn't the sagas even describe Thor with having a "Barrel of a belly"? Don't know 'bout y'all, but I think that's a sign that even the sagas called him fat.
Yes,mas someone who has read mythology since elementary school all the way to 27 years old, the game designers were mythologically accurate to how he was described in myth.
Then the potbelly makes sense, since freya was the most beautiful of the vanir, and as early as 300 years ago fat chicks were what men considered beautiful, and even aphrodite is fat in literally every image of her before people decided they want her to be skinny in cartoons and games.
To be fair, the statues of Thor depict him pretty Kratos like when it comes to body type. Maybe he went and ate tons of junk out of depression after his sons died (if Modi even actually died after Atreus kicked him down that hole.) Speaking of which, Modi also looked a bit like he had some moobs, a plump face under his beard and his belly stuffed into his belly armor. I see no problem from a thematic standpoint to have Thor look more like a barrel than a wash board.
Plus, a heavy build would make sense for Viking warriors, as a colder climate would make a larger amount of fat a wanted feature to oneself (fat can act similar to blubber, keeping warmth and body heat inside)
@@cyryl3827 some people even asked to be painted as a bit more fat by artists who wished to portrait them, some theories say that happened with Mona Lisa if i'm not mistaken. It was really a sign of nobility.
@@heyfell4301 I doubt Mona Lisa, considering she has the exact same face proportions and characteristics as DaVinci's autoportrait sketch beneath the painting. (it's straight up just a female version of Leonardo)
Angrboda was awesome in GoW Ragnorok and Thor looks way more bigger and dominating in the actual game, you could feel his presence irl, the VA went off with that one
@@chilichinashop still annoyed that boda wasn't used to introduce some African mythology at least, wasted opportunity and it would have made more sense.
I honestly like this depiction. It’s kinda refreshing since it seems that everything outside of the MCU seems to imitate the success of it. This is original and if god of war 2018 proved anything, they put thought Into their designs. And I could care less about angerboda’s appearance. I’m sure she’ll be a great character and I’m curious to see her interaction with Atreus
I don’t care about the desing as the game is really a work of art and doesn’t bother me, still if suddenly black panther is a random ass white guy everyone would complain, why would be black panther a white guy if the thing is held with African tribes, regardless of it is fiction. Here we are talking about hard fantasy mythos and the like, that are based on the Nordic pantheon, it would be weird to have a random ass black guy in the middle, just like having a black Geralt in the Witcher as those where based in Polac culture/context ( as the original work )
@@miguelangelsotofuentes6537 The race of the characters has 0 relevance to the story being told in terms of the Norse pantheon. Black Panther is black because it is explicitly a black story told about black people. And a black Geralt would be fine because, again, his race has absolutely 0 relevance to the character or the story being told, regardless of what real world location is used as a reference point for the Still Very Fictional Continent. We could also get into the history of the many, many times in adapted fiction where a POC has been unnecessarily replaced by a white actor already and the way, way, *way* fewer times it's happened in reverse and how the relative harm caused by the former is much greater than the latter due to already lopsided media representation, but that's more than I feel like getting into.
@@janinemurdock2043 "the race of the characters has 0 relevance to the norse pantheon..." So the norse gods don't have to be norse? If that's the case, then lets make all the Egyptian gods white lol.
@@janinemurdock2043 that doesn’t make sense… they’re all fictional stories, so they’re all irrelevant. Black Panther is a fictional story set in Africa, they’re all black because it’s set in Africa and they’re isolationist… Norse Mythology is set in a mythical plane that resembles Nordic countries, they were all white because it was created by the Nords, who at the time were all white… Geralt is just Geralt, as long as the actor does great it’s what ever. Although people would still be pissed not because he was changed to a different colour but because people hate change. Look what’s going on with Netflix, it’s another white guy but people are still pissed. Characters are works of art, someone put their time and effort into creating those characters… changing them is an affront to the writer. I’ve hated Whitewashing my entire life, if I don’t hate the reverse I’d be a hypocrite… which I am, but I admit that I am a hypocrite 😂 but I can’t help but enjoy seeing heroes that I can relate to a little better.
@@miguelangelsotofuentes6537 I was playing the Witcher for the first time and was curious about the lack of black people, but there were white people in black panther they weren't black panther but they were there and if they wanted to they could canonically make him white it would just defeat the purpose of the character which is black representation but there are white people in Africa White people and black people or really all people migrate all around the world I don't see why having 1 black side character is that big of a deal especially when you know their taking creative liberties with the work
And to point out a historical thing, those that were powerful ate well, and were generally a bit heavier-set, so for Thor, a powerful, especially wealthy being, he's damn-near perfect
I watched Matt Pat’s kungfu panda movie theory, played some AC Vallhala and after seeing Thor’s body, I’m not surprised he has gut. You got to remember they eat a lot and drink a lot, and being a god on that he possibly has free range to do whatever he wants and not to mention the phrase “winners tell the tales” so of course they would blemish some details to make Thor more favorable
I mean why are people unhappy with Thor? He looks right inline with the characterization of other gods in God of War. Plus, have they not heard of Sumo wrestlers?
@@sloppyjoe9070 most top sumo wrestlers has only 20% body fat and lower. with one that I heard only 11%. they may look fat but they have big muscles underneath.
@@XannuvavyxH Yeah, that what was explained in the video. Sumo wrestlers are covered in a ton of muscle but its hidden under fat as the fat helps protect from impact.
Ngl, was shocked and kinda disappointed when I first saw it. Guess I was just used to the ripped, badass depiction. But the more I thought about the more I grew to love the design and got excited for it. The GoW team seems to excel at putting a new spin on things whilst still making them feel grounded and meaningful - so I trust them completely👍
Yeah that’s what a lot of people who like don’t know the actual Norse myth would automatically think, marvel Thor is more closer to the Victorian depiction of Thor which showed him blonde and skinny but we go back to the actual myth Thor was described differently he was said to have red hair, a beard and out of all the gods was the one to eat the most, so like in terms of appearance this Thor is more closer to the actual Thor than marvels Thor . But not to crap on marvels Thor cause marvels version definitely acts like Thor in the mythology, the personality is on point Thor be the type of guys you would see at parties either drinking or eating, but hell always have your back.
@@tercial I mean those are muscles, that’s what happens when you go for big muscles you get a belly, there’s not one strongman or woman out there that doesn’t have a belly, it’s like sumo wrestlers those are actually muscles, that’s what happens when you eat a lot of protein food it builds muscle
I’m a Norwegian who loves norse mythology and viking history, and i LOVE how they made Thor and Tyr. They look awesome in the game, and I think i’ve never seen a better representation made of Thor in a long while. I like marvel, but marvel’s thor is a completely different person, you can’t really compare cus the only thing marvel has right is the names tbh. Also, angrboda being dark skinned didn’t bother me at all, there were different skintones back in the viking era, ofc the majority was white people but there were others too, i like how they made her. The game changed many aspects of the mythology sure but i’m super impressed by how accurate things is aswell. I love GoW’s take on norse gods and mythology. Edit: typos
Racist people don't understand history very well and that hundreds of years ago people, surprise, traveled. The old world was alot more interconnected in the time of the vikings then most people think, so an African descended person, would not have been common, but is not unreasonable or a ridiculous idea
@@Comuniity_ Yeah, but you overestimate what you know, and yes, maybe in big cities and port areas, but not in most areas. It was heavily more fragile ecosystem and very easy to begin Isolated. You are just trashing on people thinking you know what you are talking about. Like putting a Black woman as a norse Jarl/Chieftain, not possible, especially the circumstances. Or Black Achilles. You are overestimate the connection the world had. They certainly had more than what people think generally, but you will be mistaken if you really think that. For example, Egyptian aren't black, no Egyptian is actually black. They are Mediterranean, like south Italians and Greek people. But why there were still some black people in Egypt? Movement, but getting from Numidia to Greece or Germania was almost unreasonable if Impossible, no you had many reasons unless you were a slave or a Auxiliary of the Romans, when they still were there. I won't like if they put a Norwegian as Leonardo Da Vinci, wouldn't make sense. Nor I want an Italian doing the King of the Zulu, same. Nor I want an Asian as Julius Caesar, same. One thing is being racist, one is being realistic. There is something called "Historically Plausible", that clearly you don't get. And my example aren't very plausible. Like apparently Anne Boleyn was black, what a joke people are.
@@Comuniity_ If it's a fictional character why do you call people racist? It's just a fictional character after all. She exist as much God, Allah and Mother Nature. Take it as you will, I don't care. Usually civilization depicts their gods as looking like them, to be closer to them and feel in contact. There is cultural accuracy, and she wasn't black. Did you ever seen a depiction of her? Or a myth about her that? You all invented and complain cultural appropriation, here and there, I think this is considerable one. Since it's norse mythology. Making a character black for "diversity" sake changing the original myth. You are the racist one at max. I don't give a damn, I'm more salty that someone defends virtue signaling. I could be black for all you know, the difference here is that I don't give a shit about a person colour, sex or religion. My girlfriend is "black", and somehow I still love her. Unreal Ik. For me black isn't even a category, you damn Americans. I understand you are Spanish, you are Ethiopian, you are Moroccan, you are Polish, you are Congolese. Not a white guy or a black guy. You seem to be stuck in the 60'. I'm an historian, I care about represent our history with fidelity. Looking at the good we did and the stupid stuff we did.
I adore all the people acting like they're all offended. They defend an idealized portrayal of these characters in a franchise that revolves around killing them!
I just laugh at how people get offended by fiction. We literally gut a troll in Hel and blow out a dragon's neck but a character's appearance is too much for them to handle?
@@ShadowNova300 i dont mind thors design that much. A little surprising perhaps. However i do understand people upset about her skin color. I gotta admit that im tired of this disrespectful treatment of my culture, by constantly black-washing it. This is my countrys culture and mythology. And by black-washing our culture, then youre basicly insulting it. If Americans cant fucking behave properly and respect foreign cultures and stop black-washing everything, then they should stick to their own shit. Not that americans have any culture to begin with.
@UC74SzZq_i1aLhAa2fMNYKCg cry about it lil bitch you don’t even know about ur own culture, did you even watch the entire video. Lmao what a pathetic excuse
@@scythn oh so your racist… that giant is black and there is nothing you can do about it…good! I hope that Oden is Asian just to piss you off more. And it’s funny that Kratos has been voiced only by black men, but you don’t them complaining about put a white body to the voice.
@@ArchardMMC Fuck yea they did, we got old Kratos back against Heimdall, we got emotional Kratos, and Atreus evolved from angsty teen to normal-ish kid
thats great but unfortunately for you the rest of us are intrested in the character designs of a VISUAL medium Thor is fat and they put black people in northern european mythology none of the gods give any larger than life grand feel to any f them and overall seeing this get praised is more than disappointing
I looked up why the strongest men have guts, and from some quick research the answer (in bodybuilding at least) seems to be that: 1.) In order to lift heavy things, you need the weight to do that. "Weight lifts weight" is the exact quote I saw. 2.) The way calories work is they either get turned into muscle or fat. If the body uses the calories, it gets turned into muscle, and whatever is leftover gets turned into fat. Muscle and strength building requires a HUGE caloric intake, and the tradeoff for being the strongest is not all those calories are going to be used. And men tend to store their fat in their guts. So, being lean does not mean you will be at your strongest, but being at your strongest does not mean you will be at your healthiest. I could be wrong because this was just a quick google, so if I said something you know to be wrong or would like to elaborate, please do!
That is a fundamental understanding yes. The fat also helps protect what's inside as well. It's a cushion that helps reduce stress on internal organs and bones. That's the only thing you missed.
No calorie builds the size of muscle and protein feeds the muscles power. Bodybuilders tend to do what weightlifters do and bulk like crazy (to an extent that is very unhealthy) and then they burn off the calories so that their muscles are more visible. It’s mostly for the sake of bigger more defined muscles but also keep in mind bodybuilders also starve and dehydrate themselves for the lowest possible body fat percentage to look as ripped as possible. Weight lifters like Thor (an actual weight lifter not the god, which is very ironic) just consume as much calorie and proteins as they can fit into their day while lifting like crazy. They’re definitely a league of their own. They’re a lot stronger then body builders (who in their own right are a lot stronger than you and I) minus a few exceptions like Ronnie Coleman who was ridiculously strong for a body builder. Weight lifters tend to focus on big muscles but also stronger muscles, the bigger the muscle the more strength can be fit into it. Bodybuilders eat a lot for this reason but they don’t focus on lifting as heavy things as weight lifters do TLDR: calories is used to make the muscles bigger and protein is used to make the muscles stronger. This is why they eat so much. They do the same things but body builders and weight lifters focus on different things: *bodybuilders work on hypertrophy focusing on aesthetic whereas weight lifters focus on strength and endurance training*
I like third design. But your wrong. They don’t have guts, they’d bulky. And don’t look like this Thor. Guts but not the same kind of guts. And not NEARLY as much guts. I mean Thor is packing a beer belly.
There is a theory that angrboda might have egyptian roots. The game confirmed that other mythologies exist and one can travel between realm. Tyr has travelled to greece, egypt etc. Angrboda could be Tyr’s daughter with an egyptian goddess then adopted by the Giants. This would then introduce the egyptian universe perfect after the norse saga ends
@Sawyer Cantrell This is simply not true. Europeans have for years tries to erase the image of Nubians ruling the Egyptian empire because they simply didn’t believe that people of that race could rule and build and empire like that. The ancient Egyptian empire reigned from cirka 4500 BC To 1000 AD, and the Islamization of Egypt took place around 600 AD. What you’re stating is fictional and what they want you to believe.
As a Norwegian I’m completely fine with the designs. In fact, I love the designs. In a universe like god of war, I have no problem with angerboda (probably misspelled that) and Thor just looks plane awesome. Also, Mimir describes Thor as a fat dobber in the first game + it would make sense that Thor has gotten a little out of shape since he has killed pretty much all the giants and such that he doesn’t have a lot of enemies left to fight
yeah but the only reason they made angerboda a darkskin is because of racism and shit that would come from media, especially twitter by the alphabet gang
Angerboda being dark skinned makes absolutely no sense and it's just pandering to the woke left. The pandering is the only thing I have a problem with.
I absolutely LOVE Thors design. I always imagine him built like a tank like this rather than the marvel rendition. Plus I love a good big boi like this
This guy is so kind and nice and considerate, he always comes off as understanding and I love it just being like "Well this is my point of view, its alright if you don't share it and I am willing to understand yours."
I actually agree with the character design. It’s social conditioning when the media shows a buff guy to portray a strong man. Also strongmen > bodybuilders
Agreed, this Thor is fine, but it's also social conditioning to depict a character that in Norse mythology is described as being "pale as death" and having red hair to having sub-Saharan features, dark skin and brown braids instead...
@@AK-lx1cr Sorry, but where's that describtion from? I've been searching a bit, but all I could find was that there's preciously little written about her in the sources we got and that none of it really goes into describing her. Are you sure it's from the Eddas or something around that age and not a modern interpretation?
@@lordcommissar7813 The Mythology as in what texts? It's not like there's a norse bible to go by. There's the two Eddas and a few fragments from various poems, sagas and songs and so far, I haven't been able to find any description of Angrboda in those.
The best thing about mythology is that its interpretable. There is no "canon way" to go around it. I love fat Thor because he isnt described as a perfectly handsome supermodel all the time and is rather famous for his strenght and drunkenness. Fat people are often very strong sturdy if they fight and him having a rather simple unstyled lool and being shirtless hints at his drunken carefree side in myth.
That’s bullshit all religion has canon there are correct ways to go about it. This is a stupid brain dead take by people who can’t relate to their own gods due to their insignificant in history.
"Can't relate to their own gods" ... ... Do you think they are all of norse descent? Like "oh hey let's only hire Danish and Norwegian guys!" Or do you think they all worship norse gods? If thats the case making a game about how a GREEK God wholly wrecks them and fathered their literal greatest enemy(Loki) is dead brained to begin. .... OR! They are making a wholly enjoyable experience with the people who can make it. Either way, its not out yet, and who plays who and skin color they have has nothing to do with how enjoyable a game is, cause thats not how video games work. They have to be fun. You're doing the equivalent of screaming that a rollercoaster wasn't built with your specific comforts in mind, but the damn thing isn't even finished yet
@@ilikedooooooodes7963 also yeah religion has Canon. Canon that fits a small niche of people, cause even the largest religion on the planet would find it difficult to outnumber LITERALLY EVERY OTHER HUMAN BEING ON THE PLANET! and maybe off, idk the they all practiced on the International space station. Norse religious Canon even more so, since so much of it has been lost or destroyed. The mythology of a subject isn't, at least when I see it used as reference material, the Canon story of the subject. Lucifer(the show, not yknow) is based of Christian and Judaism (and older I know but I can't for the life me remember) mythologies, but it is most definitely NOT the Canon. So yeah, TL;DR Game about an embellished Greek god fighting the Norse gods isn't Canon. Who knew?
Thor’s design is fitting, the strongman competitors were exactly what I thought of when I saw Thor too, but in my opinion Angrboda probably should have been white. I don’t necessarily have a big problem with it personally, and I’m not Scandinavian myself. Diversity and representation is obviously important, and I love when I see it done right… But diversity at the expense of other culture’s integrity is just not cool, Scandinavian cultures deserve to be respected just as much as others.
I personally think it's just not a big deal (I'm west-german tho, not scandinavian or north-german but you could say the same thing about celtic and roman mythology, both european as well) People of different skin colours have always lived together in every place that had boats or were accessible via land so why should their gods/mythical beings be solely white? 🤷 Idk, it just makes sense for me The only problem I would have is for Heimdall to be dark-skinned because he's considered the whitest of all gods but that has more to do with my preference for mythical accuracy than anything else. However I can understand why other people think differently.
@@tami7992people have not always lived together. One foreign merchant in a world of 99.999% Scandinavian peoples is not "always living with each other". You're easily propagandized and have no accurate concept of actual history and demographics
From Wikipedia: In Norwegian the word is rendered as "anger" while Icelandic and Faroese has "angur" and Swedish "ånger". The second element "boða" is cognate with the English word bode as in "this does not bode well". And now she created a controversy with her skin colour. It seems to me she already very accurate.
@@silverblade357 The 2018 game says many times that the Jotunn's weren't all actually giant. Some, such as Faye (Kratos' wife and Atreus' mother) were as tall as any other person. Based on her corpse, she was definitely human-sized. So it's not a stretch in the world of GoW for there to be human-sized Jotunns
Eh, I don't think there's any real issue with Norse mythological characters being dark skinned. The Dark Elves of Svartlfheim are described as being dark skinned and swarthy. Some even posit that the Dark Elves and the Dwarves refer to the same race. And Surtr's name means "the dark/swarthy one". I mean shit, do people really think that the ancient Greeks would fall under what we consider to be "white" today? They were pretty tan and brown themselves. Angrboda being dark skinned is such a non-issue, especially if one bothers to actually research the Norse myths.
@@ajiththomas2465 Your'e 100% the type to talk about respecting other cultures and whitewashing, but as soon as it's a white culture your'e pulling every reason you can out of your ass to say it's ok. Hypocite.
Personally, I'd use Angrboða as a chance to introduce the Egyptian pantheon here, given we know Tyr traveled there. Not that she's necessarily related to him per say. But hey, giant could have gone with and banged an Egyptian god.
@@bishop2286 What I meant wasn't just skin color, but also facial features and other things. There's been a lot of debate about whether Africans were the primary race in Egypt, and most historians actually deny that now. Of course, historians also deny that it was primarily Caucasian as well but the point still stands. I did originally believe them to be primarily Black African but most studies I'm reading argue that while there is a African heritage, Greeks, Arabs and other indigenous folk living in that area were there. Not saying there were absolutely no blacks, and for sure there would be a larger portion in the population due to its proximity to Africa. If I were to give a general skin color, it'd be very bronze looking
If there should've been any discontent, it would've been to Marvel's Heimdall. He is described as the lightest skinned god, but we all know Marvel doesn't care about accuracy, and Idris Elba still played the role fantastically.
I love his design. It's literally the strongman physique you see in people like Eddie hall. Nothing else screams absolute power then having the same body then men who deadlift half tons.
My thoughts on Thor’s physique & Angrboda’s ethnicity: I don’t give half of a shit *_WHAT_* they look like; as long as they’re great characters, I’ll die happy.
Also, it's a video game. I'm pretty sure the Norse gods didn't know anything about the greek gods however zeus was in the Norse underworld in the first game
@@pookiesis1465 Gotta love that people ignore that or Kratos murdering ancient idols that real people used to worship, but they'll obsess over race while swearing that they're not acting racist.
I actually really like it We need more chonky boys as major characters And Angrbodas design kinda looks like it was inspired by Inuit or other far northern living people. They also neede higher pigmentation due to the high albedo from the snow
@@alexrexaros9837 They are darker skinned then most northern people due to the constant reflection of the sun in the snow. That's why you have to use sun-cream when going on a winter-vacation in the mountains
@@ladyd.705 Maybe. But they still aren't similar physically to African Americans/Sub-Saharan Africans, not the same skin tone, composure or facial features. Look at her, do you think she looks Inuit?
Thor being fat isn’t surprising to anyone who’s ever had to fight a really big guy. I don’t mean like couch potato and tumblr big, I mean farm boy who can deadlift the back of his daddy’s old Ford big, or Samoan playing rugby big. In the pantheon of people not to get into a bar fight with, corn-fed country boys and Pacific Islanders are right at the top of my list, and I ain’t exactly tiny Tim myself. As for Angrboda, I’m not that fussed about her design. Maybe they’re making a point, maybe they’re trying to troll. Maybe they had a cool idea and decided to roll with it. Or maybe it’s a little bit of all three. Who cares? So long as she’s a good character, that’s what really matters. And besides, I’m pretty sure Loki wasn’t the son of a runaway Greek god in mythology either.
Lol these people complaining really have not come across that farm strength or big guy strength before like we have. It's just on a completely different level and then you figure that Thor is old AF so he has OLD MAN STRENGTH too?! SHEEEEEEESH
True. I don't get the Thor thing. I understand the girl doe. It's pretty jarring and apparent that it's just a stupid diversity play. Honestly if they made her Asiatic or Armenian-ish, it would of been more explainable, since vikings did frequent these people alot lol. She better be an Egyptian goddess or something lol. And her writing better be fucking too notch lol 😂🤣🤣.
@@xcaluhbration thats me. I'm 5'11, 300lbs, and I look fat, but I'm the all time squat and powerclean champion in my local high-school's history (over 120 years of students), and I'm #2 in bench all time and #7 in deadlift all time, and I was all conference in football. People underestimate my physicality constantly and it's hilarious. It's won me MANY a fight I had no business winning, lol.
@@virn333 some folks like yourself just got it like that. The people that have a problem with this clearly never watched strongman competitions, rugby (as op mentioned), the Defensive and Offensive Line in the NFL etc. So what's it like to have the strength of a Demi-god?
This Thor is lore accurate. Anyone who is mad over it is American and looking for a reason to get upset. This is one of the most bad ass Thors I've seen in a while
Hello Body builder here The reasone of the Body builders mass is bcuz they eat a lote Like they wont keep a diet They need to achieve a number of calories And it imposible to have abs and also Have a masive Body And that whag Vikins believed They prefer strenght ower speed But Spartans were training to be able to be more acrobatic Bein acrobatic means you need less body weight That why Kratos has abs But Vikins do not They dont want to be acrobatic they just want to be able to lift big weights ( for Body builders Yes Vikins like Dirty bulkin And spartans like Calisthenics)
Actually it is possible to have abs and have a massive body. Check Eddi Hall's results after working out for 30 days just focusing on his chest and abs. Dude was still huge, but you could see his abs clearly after 30 days of him focusing on those. And Thor looks way more like strongman, not like body builder.
@@greatiusiterfector4519 I mean yea But here we are talkin about pure Dirty bulkin and gaining muscle mass with out tryng to be shredet Like what most of The Dead lifters aim For And yea sine Vikins bassicaly eat till theyr belly almost explodes and after they train very intense You can call it Bulkim
As a swede who has studied nordic mythology or as we call it , Asa faith. You're the most respectful guy on UA-cam towards our religion. My girlfriend who believes this stuff and is a member of the religion even likes the stuff you do.
@Pro Semite mate that describes like all religions ever made, and in the first place religion just in general is far less about the fantasy and storytelling aspects and more about The cultural aspects and practices when it comes down to it
@Pro Semite ok and theirs been other things that have greatly held back the greater scientific community within the scientific community as well, like eugenics that single handedly crippled the development of the medical field since improve medicine means increase survivability for those who would have difficulty’s to without it like babies born prematurely or lobotomies which crippled the development of psychiatric care and trement for a decade or two
@Pro Semite That people can choose what they believe in. If I wanna believe that the earth is just a huge giant, then let me. Why should I believe that a dude got nailed to a cross, died, and was then reborn or whatnot? I don’t believe in Norse, Greek or any Mythology, but I should be able to without someone saying it’s sad
Angrboda might also be a goddess from another Realm. These Norse gods couldn't tell _Dwarves form Dark Elves_ FFS, so I doubt they could tell her from a Jotun if she had written her origin on her forehead. In GOW lore it is established that the gods wander. Like you know, _literally Kratos_ leaving the Greek Pantheon and fathering Loki. And Tyr went as far as Egypt, so she might be someone he met on his travels. Plus Illusions. Plus we having no information about how the Jotunn realm is like climate wise.
Excuse me what? Angrboda literally can’t be a god, Norse mythology is VERY clear that the Jotun are not gods. So unless this isn’t actually Angrboda like the company says it is and instead is some god from one of the animist religions in Africa or something she’s not a god. Even Nott is just called a “personification of night” instead of a god. Also, we know that Jotunheim is the home of frost giants, so we have an idea of what it is like. We also know that there are only 2 kinds of Jotunn, the frost and fire giants. I’ve heard some people claim that there are elemental Jotunn but I’ve yet to see any mention of these in an actual myth or story. Also, literal legends can’t tell the difference between dark elves and dwarves either because they’re the same things.
@@ChipCheerio They literally put *the Greek God of War Kratos* into the Norse Pantheon to father loki. And this Odin *literally* can not tell the light and dark elves from the Dwarf brothers.
@@ChipCheerio The jotunn are essentially just another group like the Aesir and Vanir so I don’t know where you’re getting this information that “jotun are not gods” let’s not forget who the god of mischief is or the fact that a lot of aesir’s parentage involves jotunns
On the Thor stuff: Think, people! A Norse god with Greek physique? On the Angrboda stuff: I think Greg Kasavin from supergiant games made a point about the Olympians in Hades. While these deities are worshiped by Greek people, they don't have to be Greek in appearance (hence, Asian Hermes). I can see the same thing with Angrboda too. On the other hand there it was more plausible, since Greek gods are often inspired by, or even taken from middle eastern cultures and pantheons. Just adding my opinion to the topic on hand.
Creator's just need to grow a pair and say they are makeing the apreance of tge God that way cuz they want too, regardless of what words they use to justify or how much research they did. Cuz I'll be honest if you are being faithful to how the ancient Greeks precived their deities they would look Greek. And people sometimes need to accept the artistic interpretations of other people
Why would Greek Gods not look like Greeks? Or any gods not looks like their own people? Everyone culture typically depicts their gods looking like them so why would the gods look like someone else? Doesn’t make sense to me outside of good ol Elohim.
Oooo reaction on my comment to answer for my own foolishness. By that I mean I didn't understand why youtube is bombarding me with answers on my answer on a comment I made, until I realized: Wait a minute... that is my comment and my discussion I started. So sorry! If I made anyone peeved or angry by it. Now to the point: Hades is one of my favorite games. And I don't really like rogue likes/lites whatever they are called. Never noticed how not Greek looking some of the Olympians were, because well most of the first roster (yes I played it THAT early) looked, well Greek enough. Athena and Ares having more of that bronze shade did fit with them well, both were deities of two aspects of war: the order was Athena, the chaotic was Ares. And the others, well Zeus looked Greek enough, Poseidon looked Greek enough. Aphrodite looked hot... I mean Greek enough etc. So when the question of "creole Athena" popped out, Kasavin gave that answer. I just used that answer for Angrboda. Thinking back I should have been less "forgiving" with "On the other hand there it was more plausible..." sentence. What I wanted to say was Norse people were ethnically more homogeneous so of course their view of the deities were closer to their looks. Greeks on the other hand were like the first melting pot in that way (and Rome was on another level too). Greek myths took inspiration from a lot of middle eastern sources too. Mainly in their mid to later era myths. Chaos, Nyx, Thanatos and the others, the more ethereal concepts (less patriarchal, more nature based) were the basic local beliefs. Dionysus, Aphrodire, Demeter/Persephone in a way even Hades as a chthonic diety, were later concepts and imports (have to admit, when I learned about this, was way back, and this is becoming too long to talk about it and how much of a melting pot ancient Greece was politically, so no, I'm not justifying it here, we can have this debate in the next one, if it is cool). So I took Kasavin's explanation as a fairly logical one. Could that be used on Norse myths? Doubtful! But I like the comment about growing a pair for either the artists and consumers. But sadly here I will have to reference Greek myths again, with their legitimization and all. Myths are a free for all in interpretation and inserting ideological views. Artists put in their views (political, ideological, diversity or just personal) into their art, while viewers will do the same and reinterpret it either in a positive or a negative way. And the internet gives the metaphorical soap box to everyone, who wants to be offended, or a closed "court" for those who want to debate. Let's just hope I've not made a soap box stand or an echo chamber here. Cheers.
The immediate thought that came into my head is that it's more looking at giants from a D&D perspective where they look notably different depending on which biome they hail from.
As far as I know "Dark elves" aren't dark skinned, they're dwarves. In old Norse, Svartalfheim means "dark elf home" but they are dwarves. Dwarves had different coloured skin based on what craft they were really good at. Giants however can look however they want usually, and this usually means being a terrifying monstrous form, and they not necessarily tall or big either, neither are the dwarves of Norse myth. Good video though, glad to hear about your thoughts on Thor being a big dude, that's how I've always seen him c:
@@givehimthechair that's true, but also (I just learned this the other day) apparently the Norse people saw the working class as like "sunburnt" cause they work outside more than someone who has money and for whatever reason they associated sunburns with the colour blue. So that might have something to do with it too
People do expect a certain level of consistency though. The gods and other beings look like they’d belong to the region their from. (Obviously barring the really beastly ones like Charon, Thanatos and Hades) an African in Scandinavia does feel like stretching just a bit too much especially as a goddess of this mythology in particular. Honestly more than anything (personally) I’m so jaded to these left field moves I expect the worse of them at this point on instinct. I’m just waiting for some out of place racially charged moment like writers always do when they want to put someone who isn’t white in a series. It’s insulting, distracting, devalues them as people and just turned them into a token POC which is never good.
@@wrestlinganime4life288 suspension of disbelief obviously. But it has enough internal logic that a Greek God fight Norse Gods makes sense in this universe regardless. On that end it’s whatever. As for the part where it’s not out yet, I know but I’m just really cynical and skeptical about the reasons for this. It’s a consistent pattern in the last few years that when you notice it it’s hard to not see it. As of right now theirs no logic behind a Norse goddess being African because throughout this entire series theirs never been a God that wasn’t racially displaced from the region they ruled over and in the past whenever writers do this (put a singular differently ethnic person in a series out of nowhere) tokenism becomes rampant. Don’t get me wrong, I want to be wrong because God of War has been a great series for a long time. I’m just skeptical is all.
I love Thor's design, it's really good and accurate to how it would probably have been. At first I thought Angroboda's design was weird but then I realized the nature around in the game and it made sense to me that it might be hot there and there seems to be a lot of sun there so they might have gotten a bit darker tone because of that. And then you mentioned fire giants that they might have a really dark skin tone so that made even more sense to me.
Just a reminder, this is a game series where the son of Zeus kills the Greek pantheon, goes off to Scandinavia, and fathers the Norse God of mischief. Accuracy waved bye-bye a long time ago.
Apparently, Kratos ruthleesly murdering his way through the pantheons of Greece and Norway is perfectly acceptable, but Fat Thor and Black Angrboða is "disrespectful" to the canon of the mythology. You can't make this crap up!
@Deolus _ which is why I wonder why no one is waiting to find out why she's black. Like people are acting like the whole game is ruined, without wondering why they took this liberty. People should see these games to be inspired by mythology and not an adaptation of these mythologies. P.S (I'm still wondering why Kratos isn't gay )
@@anything8953 We know why she's black. Because the woke left doesn't understand history or mythology. She's black because she leads into the Egyptian Pantheon, but Egyptian weren't black until the very last dynasty before Egypt collapsed.
Thor's design was set up throughout the previous game through the stories. Their strength comes more from the fact they are gods rather than what they look like. Balder for example rivals Kratos in strength at times, but is much smaller. It's not a matter of what they look like. Meanwhile Thor is set up to be lazy, overindulgent, fat, etc. So it's a matter of lifestyle choices I think. Angrboda's design on the other hand was deliberately chosen for diversity. Which I guess is fine if it makes sense in context. Are the rest of her jötnar kind of the same complexion? Is it a guise she has taken to hide her jötnar identity? Is she perhaps half-jötun, half-human (her jötun parent fleeing to a faraway realm to escape the Æsir and having a child with a partner there)? The last one in particular would fit the whole setting her up as Atreus' love interest as they would have the "child of two worlds" aspect to bond over. Guess I'll just wait until I can get my hands on the game before making a proper judgement.
My take on it is the jotun are shown to have either body manipulation or no shared body types. they can be big or small or animals or people etc. Like the jotun weve seen are a giant ass snake thats blue, a giant man that was huge and slightly tan, a normal looking woman, a normal looking boy, and with the new trailer a giant black wolf. So yeah a normal dark girl fits
I feel that diversity isn't that bad (for remakes of characters) unless their race/sex/ect is important to that character. So Angrboda being black is fine. If anything it gives us black people more fictional characters to relate with
@@TheDudeFrom2077 You don't really understand how little diversity there is in media. There shouldn't need to be a reason to have a black character in media, there should just be one like with white people. It doesn't hurt anyone
@@TheDudeFrom2077 Why can't game creators have fun anymore? If they want to change the race of a character which will have 0 change to the story go for it. There is already many inconsistinties in this games mythology so who cares
When i saw thor in the game my first thought was " holy shit, that is a BEAR not a human being. A fucking BEAR." Didn't even notice his belly. Dude is a wall. A bear
@@ProtoIndoEuropean88 In a land where it is especially hard to grow crops and most of your food comes from fishing and hunting, being fat would be a desirable trait, since you're clearly being fed enough to grow fat despite the fact that you're probably doing a good amount of physical activities, it's kind of the reason why fat people were attractive in the past, fatness was a sign of wealth
@@ProtoIndoEuropean88 Well actually possibly not. In some cultures, especially fictional cultures, having a visible gut usually was a sign of wealth or power. This is a weird example, but the Hutts from Star Wars. They were super overweight and whatnot because in their culture, that meant wealth and power and whatnot. I wouldn't be surprised if Thor would follow a similar sort of logic.
@@apossiblyhereticalalphaleg3595 It would depend on where and when although I do agree that Ancient Norse would probably conform more to fatness for their standard of beauty.
Remembering the stories Mimir talks about Thor's giant killings, the big ass frost giant corpse with a nail in its head, and the literal field of giant corpses in Jotunheim-Idgaf what he looks like. I just know that guy is a monster and he could easily kill most mortals with a sneeze if he wanted to. Appearances are deceiving and a lot of peeps fell prey to that old saying.
Who are you gonna fear more in a fight? A gym rat pretty boy like Chris Hemsworth or an overweight but burly belligerent that doesn't look like he'd think twice about bouncing your braincase off the sidewalk?
To explain the difference: Literally fat is stored calories and while being low in body fat looks good, if you're too low for too long, it can cause a lot of mental issues. So in short, having fat while being strong and eating a lot is kinda what a strong person more naturally is.
Angrboda apparently was described as a "pale as death frost giant" idk what that means or what that would mean how she looks and i took this out of reddit from a discussion over two years ago about it. But if it is true that, that is how she was described maybe it should be taken into consideration
I honestly never had a problem with the thor design, I was definitely shocked because this was the first I've seen him depicted in popular culture the way he looks in mythology. but I think its great, I really thought that they were gonna go the Hemsworth route but I'm glad they shook it up a bit. And with angrboda I don't really care what race she is, I hadn't even heard of the character until now
the way he looks in mythology? he was never depicted as fat not in any of the historical artifacts and depictions of him and not in any of the stories, at most the stories say he ate a lot.
@@laubra5227 people are saying this is close cause its a strongman body.... thor isnt a strongman hes a warrior. the body that a fighter has as opposed to that of a strongman is different.
@@xavierescano4559 This is definitely how he's depicted in mythology, the fuck? Just do your research. Dude eats multiple goats during feasts, drinks an ocean and people say he has quite an appetite. Thor would be fat. That's accurate.
Thor looks like my favorite Highland Game throwers, and it makes perfect sense to me 😈 and in defense of Angraboda, she lives in Ironwood, which they present as a warm-climated, sunny lands. It would make sense that the melanin in their skin would get darker, and she even states how Atreus is funny as a "Midgard" giant. So you have to assume giants of different areas would look different 😅 almost like actual people, ya know? 👀 thanms for touching on it!
I’ve always loved mountain men strong characters as opposed to just bodybuilder types The mountain in game of thrones is a good one but Thor is my new favorite
@@MirunaNero on the topic of thicc, common argument is that he fights a lot, but he just kills things in 1 or 2 blows, he doesnt do that much work, like he just arives, slaps you and leaves, isnt really much if a work out for a dude that eats half of the time
@@d0navan440 also, the strongman bit too. To be hella buff and have a body like they were expecting... that's not something you'll gain naturally via most workouts. Like, you have to hyperfocus on fat reduction where's bodybuilding is just about muscle
The Thor here is a bloody BEEF CAKE. Would not piss him off. I love this design. All that mead would definitely make a gut lol. Still looks like he could lift that portion of the world serpent
Correction: Angrboda wasn’t actually Loki’s wife. She was his lover for a while and birthed 3 of his kids but his wife was Sigyn
Maybe Sigyn will be an alias for Angrboda, or something similar to how in God of War Odin called Freya Frigg.
Yea other than that you didn’t really didn’t miss anything. She is described as having pale skin and red hair, but again the argument I made is that she is a Jötun, a shapeshifter, they don’t have a single form. There’s also an old term, “moors”, used for black nobles. They were highly respected during medieval times because they were rich. You can find lots of paintings of moors. So it’s not WRONG to have a dark toned person walking around in Northern Europe at that time. Honestly, as long as it’s a good story I don’t care. Like you, I don’t notice race unless someone else points it out. It’s not the first thing that comes to my mind. I kinda like it actually. She’s beautiful, which is kinda accurate to the mythology, and I think it’s a really good change that they made. I think when the game comes out and people get involved with the story people won’t care about the color of her skin anymore.
@@brandenmarcum430 if i am correct none of norse books actually depict the appearance of gods expect odin.
Just curious, I'm creating a story that includes the Egyptian gods. I've described them as being fair/pale skinned. Would this be inappropriate. Divinity has been traditionally seen by most cultures as being being bright, white, etc. Its sort of the opposite of the god of war problem. There weren't really any black people in ancient Scandinavia nor were there really bright almost pale skinned people in ancient egypt. What are your thought?
@@Vangaurd_tiger Not true. They actually frequently describe what the gods look like. Thor is heavily described, baldur, freya, etc.
Thor is the epitome of "You may not like it, but this is what peak male performance looks like."
xD
Indeed
the last time I heard that askren fell down like thor's hammer
Thor is the definition of what you say
I like fat Thor more
I mean cmon guys, mimir literally calls him “A Fat Dobber” and we also see both of his sons, Magni and Modi so the design is fairly accurate to them aswell, so i dont know what you were expecting
When I heard him say fat dobber I thought he meant it metaphorically not literally. I'd pictured Thor as a strongman not an overweight guy that is stuck in bed eating pizza.
@@flaviogarza2376 ...and yet Mythology Guy just pointed out that's how strongmen look...?
@@flaviogarza2376 Nah this is what I hoped he would look like he literally drink's so much but it would make sense both way's.
@@lukeskywalker82 no I'm saying that there's a difference between overweight fat and muscular fat, please don't make assumptions without understanding first.
@@melkormorgothbauglir.4848 I agree with you. I'm fine with his depressed fat look but I would've preferred a real strongman Thor.
Mimir literally calls Thor a "fat dobber" multiple times, and while he is a storyteller, Mimir rarely ever exaggerates to the point of being fictitious. If Mimir implies that Thor looks fat, then he likely is.
Exactly my thought. People in the comments like "but in the mythology!!" The mythology doesn't matter that much when Loki/Atreus was born just 10 or so years before Fimbulwinter, his a greek demi-god (although Fárbauti's name can mean "anger striker", so it kinda fits.
And what most people forget is that there were/are multiple interpretations of the myths, so there never was ONE Thor, and he HAS to look a specific way.
Plus doesn't thor in the myths eat and drink a lot of food and whine hell isn't there like a whole feast every day
@@sktalking223 bro was originally fat idk why we’re doing this
@@sktalking223 Yes, I don't remember whether that was mentioned in the video, but Thor one time was tricked into drinking an entire ocean and apparently barely noticed. So I think it would definitely fit. Also, I don't think Thor is necessarily strong because of muscles but because he's Thor, i.e. an Aesir God.
@@James-mw1yf wouldn't say he barely noticed since he was trying to finish what he thought was a horn/goblet of drink, but simply couldn't, as it was later revealed to be the ocean. Also, a person can be muscular yet have a fair amount of fat, in fact it's most commonly the case. Traditional strongmen, linemen (football), and sumo wrestlers for example are very strong, but have somewhat fatty guts. It's also worth noting that Norse and Greek views of physical perfection differ so it makes sense that Thor won't have the same body type as say Heracles.
One year later, I've just got to say, making thor look that way, a behemoth of a man, looking like 2,5-3 meters tall, at least 200-250 kilos of pure destruction, was better than any muscly, ripped thor they could have given us.
He doesn't use one-liners.
He uses flat-liners, and I'd say they're pretty effective
"Calm and Reasonable"
Yeah I was very sadisfied whit his depiction.
GoW Thor looks and acts like he could eat MCU Thor for breakfast and I'm here for it
Yeah it was perfect for his character most of all since well..The truth is Most strong men in the world come from Scandinavian countries so yeah Thor would look like that.
it wasnt
Seeing Thor's design to be accurate to Strongmen is both refreshing and hilarious. Just imagining a 350 lb god just sprinting towards Kratos, pale belly flashing the world is amazing.
Strongmen body aren't meant for fighting tho 😂😂😂
They r meant only for lifting heavy weight
Thor gets 2 feet and it's out breath. Old man Kratos is like: "That’s what you get when you don't diet properly boy." 😄
@@OnlineWithMikko haha
@@strygwr you do know that both Brian Hall and Hafthor Bjornnson are accomplished boxers, right? That requires lots of stamina and endurance that they clearly have
@@alanzapreservationtheythem2861 do u even know they have to cut weight 😂😂😂
People that thought they were gonna have basically Chris Hemsworth's Thor were doomed from the get-go.
No, people expected Thor to be physically strong and tough, not Bombur with his shirt off.
@@grimnir8872 The physique portrayed in this Thor version would break your spine on his knee and rip your head bare handed. Most of the worlds strongest men look similar to that, with a belly.
@@thelordoftime803 No he wouldn't. He'd take a few dozen steps and fall over wheezing due to the hilarious bloating he has, he looks like he never stopped his intake. Thor is also the god of Farmers, Labourers and Woodsmen, hence his icon being a HAMMER. His body would be one of a rugged outdoorsman who gets his strength from working, not from hitting a high tech gym to do very specific training regimes. Vikings were not Greeks, they did not have Gyms.
@@grimnir8872 but he does feast all the time on top of that he is a GOD so I don’t think his physical physique matters that much
@@grimnir8872 have you ever worked a labour job? Some of the guys look exactly like thor LMAO. And this thor is absolutely a powerful looking guy. I wouldn’t beef with him, man would wring my neck
I’m still confused on why everyones so surprised, in the last game he was constantly being called fat and such, I wasn’t surprised at all and was actually happy for the continuity
I think people sorta just he’d be super muscular because of Marvel
It's sort of a bias. Because the most popular depictions in media (mainly the MCU) have Thor just shredded and ripped. We come to think of it as the norm despite it technically just being a persons idea of Thor, not the actual source material
@@brandondaniels2027 yeah, and the only canon MCU Thor is Endgame's Fat Thor.
@@infamouschad8650 still the best MCU Thor design btw, he looked badass
This is a case of too many idiots have access to the internet and can comment their rubbish opinions on why Thor should look like his Marvel representation.
Santa Monica pay a lot of attention to detail people, everything they put in the God of War games has been shown to have a lot of thought put into it and can be explained
Atreus: “ Father… when will i look like you?“
Kratos: “ In what way?”
Atreus: “ Like… BIGGER. When will i get muscles like you?
Kratos: “When you work for them.”
Atreus “ But… Baldur was REALLY strong and he didn’t have any muscles.”
Kratos: “My strength does not come from my body, but both are honed by discipline.”
Atreus “Whats that mean?”
Mimir: “Means you’ve got the strength of a god no matter what lad, But if you want the physique of one you better start picking heavy things up and putting em back down”
Kratos is a gym bro lmao
You took the time to recite a whole convo from the game. Please do something with your life other than posting shi like this
@@loganstabb2278 yeesh someones unrightfully upset
Atreus: "Ugh...!"
Boy we will go to jim
In the myths, Hades also didn't look like a hellraiser character and I didn't saw anyone complaining about that.
I for one am still complaining about that tbh, since they messed up all the underworld gods, but eh. Their main goal back then was making big badass monsters.
I'm mad about it, I just don't really have social media, and definitely didn't have it when God of War 3 came out.
I'm not really bitching about Thor online either, but I'm mad. I'm kinda coming to terms with it I guess
@@Al77343 but why does thor bother you? Hades wasn't mythologically accurate but thor's design lines up with mythology way better
@@SomeGuy-mt4hq expectations set up by every other design I guess. Every character has our usual standard of attractive. Then we get fatty over there, I get that it's fairly accurate but I'm still salty.
@@Al77343 you do realize fat character designs exist? Even though it makes perfect sense, the fact he's fat bothers you? I hope it's more than just "he's fat, i don't like it" because that's just a bad look.
Thor's a fucking viking god, vikings are portrayed as mountains of man meat in most media, just because he doesn't have the abs of chris Hemsworth shouldn't be a problem
Small correction; Angrboda was not Loki’s wife she was a mistress, Sigyn goddess of loyalty was his wife.
Well that’s reassuring for Loki. Not very many wives have such qualities
There is some irony for the goddess of loyalty being married to essentially the god of treason
@Adrian Martinez Dorsett I stand corrected
Irony
Do you remember where you found that information about Sigyn being the goddess of loyalty (if it was online)? I've been trying to google her, but the pages I looked at never stated she was a goddess over anything, just who she was in relation to others.
Honestly the way GOW depicted Thor and Odin is probably my favorite adaptation of the characters I've seen, especially Thor
Thor looked and act like the sort of guy who would angrily ask, "Is this your car?" before showing on it what happens when you screw with strangers "in the Alps".
I liked thor but Odin was really meh…
I didn’t like the frail old man look, I understand it served this Odins purposes in interesting ways but to me Odin the all father would be a genetic masterpiece. A buff Gandalf with an eyepatch. However that would be mythology Odin who was far more noble than this Odin.
@@dococ3272 I don’t think “noble” would be the right word to use when describing Odin in the myths. There is literally a story in Norse Mythology where Odin gains and exploits the trust of a giantess named Gunnlöd, sleeping with her for three nights to steal the Mead of Poetry guarded by her.
In that same story, he also tricks a group of otherwise innocent giants into accidentally killing each other with scythes by throwing a whetstone into the air.
I agree that the design for Odin in GOW was kind of underwhelming, but it kind of makes sense given his status as a trickster god in the original myths. (IE Intentionally hiding his true power to deceive his enemies).
Besides, a lot of modern mythology-inspired fantasies like the MCU for instance, seem to forget that in addition to being a king and a warrior, Odin was also very much a trickster and a con-man who would lie, cheat, and kill to further his goals.
@@jasonbelstone3427us: no.
Heindel: WTF You did to My car bro.
Everyone: "Thor can't be fat, WTF, cancelled!"
Literally every historical document on the pantheon: *nervous sweating*
The best thing about this is that MCU Thor eventually became "Fat Thor" during *_Avengers: Endgame_* and people loved him even more afterwards.
People will most likely still enjoy GOW Thor if he's handled right.
@@johnnysalery7383 plenty of people complained about fat thor at the time then too, though. Yeah, they mostly got forgotten in the wake of public consensus of the film being decent but...
The fact that fat Thor is mythological accurate too.
@@redace4821 It isn't though.
wait till they hear the Greek Gods had small dicks
There is a theory that she is either full Egyptian or half, as she could lead the GOW franchise to the Egyptian pantheon. Similar to out Loki is half Spartan and not full Norse.
I thought she was either a Egyptian or Asian god myself when I first saw her in the trailer
I hope that's true. Honestly I wanna see kratos go fight a bunch of different God pantheons. Hindu gods, Japanese gods, all that could be fun
@@schmecklin377 Dude I want to see Kratos vs lucifer xd
She doesn't look Egyptian
Most likely not because kratos is already done with egypt. All tho kratos fights in the commics suck
I don’t really care what Thor looks like as long as he is a good Villain
Considering god of wars track record I’m not optimistic
@@alexanderjohnson6178 what do you mean? (Genuinely interested)
@@sam_widge9183 most of the bag guys from the series have been assholes with pretty much no depth (not saying that’s very bad since you do have to want to tear them to pieces) and seeing Magni and his brother it seems like Thor will be the same
@@alexanderjohnson6178 That's a fair critique. However, I would like to raise Baldur/Freya as good examples of villains. Just a son with no feeling and emotion. And a grieving mother with a vendetta against Kratos' own morals. "Break the cycle" He said, as he broke her son's neck. Meaning she can have some depth when she returns.
Only Ragnorok will tell. Cheers man, good points you brought up.
@@worldeater795 no problem and that is definitely a fair point hopefully they do Thor justice
ngl, I love how they designed Thor, it feels about as accurate to how he probably would have been portrayed by the original people.
i dont think anyone actually care about Thor...
its the African people have an issue with. Imagine if this was set in Egypt and they made even one god white... can you imagine the reaction?
so why is okay with the gods of white Europeans?
@@t8kabr8km85 i think it works. she's not exactly a god. she's a jotun. not worshipped, not a major presence in the grand scheme of the world, just there. it was done to visually demonstrate some "other"-ness from being so. besides, the norse traveled all over the world, and people probably immigrated there. I think the problem would have been concerning if ALL of the important characters didn't fit the area, but one single person seen as an outsider to the rest of the group? that seems acceptable to me. you're good to disagree, of course
@@t8kabr8km85 did you watch the video buddy?
@@Deniolia Jötunn have been shown in the GOW universe to differ wildly in appearance. Jormungandr is a snake, Faye was a redhead and tall, Surtr is literally made out of ash, one had 6 arms, &c.. But one of them is black? God forbid!
@@piyo744 yeah, why would they be black? That makes no sense, well, heimdall could be black if you know the lore you'll understand why.
Stop destroying white cultures.
It’s lore accurate.
The bracelets; they are supposed to be iron bracers that allow him to use his hammer. Most Vikings even refer to bracers as gauntlets, but in his story actually says “Iron Bracelets”.
His appearance; Thor is described as having “Blood red eyes” and “red hair” and is actually depicted as “Ugly” being compared to a boar.
Over all this depiction is only missing the stone in Thor’s head and the goats that pull his chariot.
But angraboda isn’t I think I am smelling a agenda here
@@AAA-hd5dv
And what agenda is that?
@@DripofSteel the agenda to fuckup everything I like with their woke ways and black Asian women with no legs or Abby killing Joel dang he was such a cool guy
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I’ve been doing a lot of research on Angraboda to try and find the agenda you were speaking of, and I’m sorry to tell you;
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*This is ignoring that I didn’t say anything about her. And was only talking about Thor.* But since it was an ordeal, let’s talk about her because she is way off of her actual depictions in actuality. So let’s get down to the facts here.
A lot of depictions of her are untold on her true appearance, due to her being a giant, though this is in my own research and I could’ve just found mostly bad sources, but if were being real here she is most often described with these traits, Most of which are in paintings or books;
*Giantess and Late Wife of Loki, Angrboda, furthermore known as 'the harbinger/bringer of grief' or a ‘mother of monsters’ and had been depicted or described as having bright yet dull reddish hair to interpret that of dried blood, a tall yet masculine physique due to her giant heritage, and bright pale skin.*
This is the best depiction possible of a basic overall description, Vikings didn’t have a lot of people of darker skin tones in they’re mix because at that time, they just didn’t cross race gaps in terms of meeting new races. If you weren’t them, most likely the only long shaft you’d see was a sword. Not to mention the climates and area’s they lived in didn’t allow much of them to get a tanned complexion. An average description of a Viking being a man/woman of Pale complexions, Lighter hair shading(Normally Red/Blonde/or sometimes Brunette), with mostly Blueish Green/or Brown eyes.
At this point in time, while they would force themselves upon women when theyd invade, they wouldn’t just come back for those women, they’d leave and never come back, or worse, kill the woman after forcing themselves on them.
@@AAA-hd5dv the only agenda here is forcing outside views on a heritage that doesn’t belong to the people who are mad she can’t be black. If we came in and white washed all of the African or Egyptian gods, obviously there would be problems. Now I’m not accounting for the white people who don’t belong to Norse heritages, as they’re just doing it mostly to combat it.
But that’s the exact problem, if it’s not your heritage, why do you have the right to rewrite it in a literal sense. But given it’s a game, I couldn’t give a shit less....which is why I avoided bringing her up in the first place.
I’m actually ashamed of myself because I’ve been biased against his GOW design due to constantly seeing his Marvel iterations. But after remembering the stories Mimir tells about him and how he describes Thor as well his actual description according to Norse mythology which my brother used to tell me about, I’ve learned that strongman Thor ain’t so bad, it’s just accurate.
I absolutely respect an opinion open to being persuaded
Same. I was incredibly bias because of all the way Thor has been portrayed. Just completely ripped but in Norse mythology and realistically, he doesn't have to be shredded to be strong
I mean, how else would he protect himself? Norse mythology have those rare gods that can be killed with a kitchen knife.
Thor was a string bean. Look up an image of him.
@@yomomma2623 What’s your source?
I've always thought that Thor's design is practical and realistic. Not many people are aware that the strongman body build has fairly large amount of fat and not just muscles.
Ueah it's annoying. All people have bodybuilders and Hollywood actots in their minds when they think of strong men, but unfortunately not... Strongmen. The strongest men in the world are strongmen and they look exactly like Thor in this game. I wish WSM would become more mainstream so we can finally escape the hate of fat and obsession of 6packs and go back to oldschool strength as the ideal physique.
@@μαριοςΚαπετανοπουλος I mean sure he doesn't have to look like a bodybuilder and I'm sure GOW Thor will have an ironic reason for him to have gotten that fat. But in the actual myth Thor is more well built than GOW Baldur is. Because he is a Norse Warrior that loved to fight more than all the other gods and was known for his profound lack of intelligence among his peers at least.
Now don't get me wrong here, I have no issues with Thor's big belly, but this whole strongmen argument people keep referring to dosen't really apply to Thor. Actual strongmen are built from head to toe, not just their bellies. If he was meant to be like an actual strongman, his whole body would be bigger, not just his stomach. And again, I don't have a problem with his appearance. Baldur was as skinny as a street cat and he knocked out the World Serpent in 3 hits. Appearance clearly does not dictate strength in God of War, I just don't understand people comparing Thor to actual strongmen.
@@Yougotcaged102 Idk man. Dude looked built like a tank. I'm not sure why you think his belly that's only big. It makes sense to have Thor to have a belly. Thor has a huge amount of apetite for food and booze. Booze alone can get you large belly. Beer belly as they call it.
@@misteris2385 What throws me off the whole "strongman" argument, is that his chest is very small. Especially for his long arms, which seem to be longer than they are muscular. Like I said in my last comment, I don't have a problem with the design. But when I think of someone who is strong, but also flabby, I think more of a Wilson Fisk type, or Braun Stroman.
I missed the controversy train and just saw Thor spoiler free in the game. I LOVED it. Especially his personality and character. He’s a half giant, a warrior and a father to three kids. Giving him that design given his position made me love it all the more.
Mimir calls Thor fat repeatedly .So him having a big belly and a multi-chin makes sense .
Yeah idk why we supposedly know Thor is far since Mimir say he is fat dobber
Thor's inborn power is more than enough to crush and murder anybody that dares to even look at him wrong. He is the God of Thunder! He is Odin's greatest warrior! Who the hell is he trying to impress with dieting and grooming? He isn't the God of Modeling!
@@silverblade357 Absolutely spot on!
I really don’t like his armour, I hope that isn’t actually what he wears. So dam stupid. Protect everywhere else except his belly and it looks silly and makes him look way less intimidating
Also the guy fucking drank on ocean, the hell did they expect?
The girth that you see strongmen have is actually used to help lift weights. Similar to how deadlifters use belts as leverage to lift the bar with, strongmen literally use their stomachs as leverage to pick up large weights, like the Atlas stones. The extra bulk is also used to protect the their internal organs and their bones especially their spines. Bodybuilding focuses more on the appearance of the muscles and how defined they can get. While they are still strong, bodybuilders are built more for show instead of functionality while strongmen built for maximum functionality.
form vs function
And strongmen don't borderline dehydrate themselves to look more ripped before showing off their strength, too.
@@neoqwerty strongman instead engorge themselves with calories to build that gut.
Both lifestyles are inherently unhealthy.
@@AimlessSavant great for strength, but both are not peak human (because there is no peak human). Peak human for lifting! Peak human for muscle definition. Peak human for cardio? No! 😂😂Peak human for hunting? No. Peak human for fightining? No!
@@jairesemccoy9779 iunno. I don't want Big Show to punch me in the jaw to find out... lol
Also.
Kratos: Boy! What are you doing with that goat?
Loki: Making a girl laugh....
Kratos: I don't want to know.
LOL
oh nooo..........
NOOOO 😭💀
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Wait until he sees a horse
personally, thor was one of my favorite characters in the entire game. He's a complete boss and even better than what I had imagined prior to me playing the game
I was born in Norway and I always did imagine Thor with a bit of a gut. Not as much as this one, but I did. I really like it and I think it looks great, and I hope it makes people more aware of how different Marvel's Thor is from the mythology.
Edit: holy crap! 1K likes! Omfg!
Disney also tried to sue norse mythology, claiming that they own the rights and such
@@youtubestudiosucks978 Wait... WHAT?! Did I read that right?
@@trondthorvaldsen1003 we live in a society
I like the idea of Thor having some fats too, but I don’t like how the outfit is designed to put emphasis on the belly.
And he’s still a warrior too, so it should be a mix of fats and muscles. That gut is only fats.
I'm fine with the gut, it makes sense and it looks kinda neat, I just don't like how it appears to emphasize the belly.
Even Kratos in the newer rendition of God of war has a much larger trunk due to the realism of the strongman build. I very much agree with what you say here
Kratos has gotten older, so his body's gotten more squared away, while back in the Greek Days when he was younger he just outright was thinner but more of a "I'm much stronger than I look" but they DID make it that physically he's gotten a bit stronger than the Greece days.
Kratos still has visible muscle, Thor has a huge rounded beer gut and saggy tits. They got it wrong.
@@weasel003gaming7 Back in Greece his body looked like a Greek god, now he looks like a buffed dad, which he is. So far the GOW depictions have been fitting, cant see why people are mad over Thor.
@@madmantheepic7278 True, but who can blame me for preferring Gow3 Kratos design?
@@weasel003gaming7 I can
One thing that people keep forgetting about Thor, and being swedish it annoys the shit out of me. Thor is pretty strong just by himself, but what grants him his strenght is his belt. Yes - he has a magical belt that grants him the strenght. There is a myth which plot is that Loki steals his belt and he has to deal with being weak and getting it back. Happy you mentioned the belt.
I think his design is in line with that in the myths.
@@Tribrid-zv3nq Went back and doublechecked what you wrote - and I stand corrected. Either way im happy they included the powerbelt.
one thing people keep forgetting about Thor, and being jamaican and american, it annoys the shit out of me. Is that the man is a confirmed crossdresser who is so beautiful when cross dressing he can fool anyone into thinking he is a beautiful goddess.
that and Odin's horse is loki's child after he gets fucked by a male horse
@@spicydomina2365 tbf he did cover his face with a veil, totally understandable why no one knew he wasnt freya
fun fact I worked in strength and conditioning for several years: those 'guts' were called "boilers" in the 80's. coaches used to look for guys with good "boilers" to work the O-Line. this is a cool channel! I'm gonna check out more of this!
Were they called that in a joking way? Because that is hilarious.
GoW's Thor design is hundreds of times more interesting than Marvel's. He actually resembles a Norse God as opposed to a super model
He is Fat Evil, a tried and true design method in Hollywood and gaming both. So I'm not sure what you are on about.
@@fillosof66689 that's how he looks in the myths what do you mean lol
@@asmodaymomo5780 no it isn't. He doesn't look like that in text, or found archeological evidence, or in preserved illustrations. Granted, most of the latter two groups consist of highly stylized imagery, but the artists would have definitely found a way to show that Thor was fat if that was how they thought he looked.
@@fillosof66689 mimir literally calls him fat multiple times in the myth what are you talking about?
@@Ahmadabdal_ that's the game's lore, though. With the same recursive logic, any author of an adaptation can justify all sorts of BS that directly contradicts the source material.
Meanwhile in the myths, even in the version of them written down by Christian scholars, Thor isn't a "fat dobber" single-mindedly dedicated to base urges and violence; he isn't a Hollywood style Fat Evil caricature.
The design of Thor wasn't dumb or "progressive", it was well informed and accurate. Mythology is in some cases a lot more realistic than modern media in those ways: it gives an accurate representation of what was accepted in culture and in history. The Greek Gods were all very gorgeous, save the few black sheep in the herd, but they were all depicted with smaller endowments because it was a sign of wisdom in Ancient Greek society. I still hear people write that off that it was just made up to make people feel better about themselves, and it's so nice to see modern media taking a shift towards a more "realistic" depiction of characters who are based on an existing idea or character.
Just like putting blacks in there isnt also dumb and progressive when its the whitest religion and culture on earth you dumb leftist dogs.
But it's not though. That's why his head don't match his fat body.
@Pro Semite Obviously? But you can’t complaining about white washing constantly (which leftists do) and have a double standard that makes it suddenly okay when it happens to white people. Seriously, black washing has been happening for years in media regarding historically white figures, it’s inaccurate and promoting a political agenda. I have plenty of examples
I don’t mind Thor being built like that, but Angrboda being Asian is clearly forced diversity and it’s inaccurate to Viking culture. Keep in mind being remembered past your death is like the number 1 priority of Drengskapr
@Pro Semite Yeah, but OP who you were responding to was speaking in the context of black washing
@@SH19922x “””blacks””” 🤔
I actually find this Thor to look more intimidating. A man who's fought battles his whole life so you can actually see that with this one. I hope he's actually a formidable foe for kratos. Kratos shouldnt defeat him easily at all. Also Asgardians do eat and drink a lot
Me too i like him more than marvel's thor no hate to chris hemsworth i love him,but i am just to attached to mythology(i know he is not called fat in mythology)When i was thinking for thor in my mind i had more bad ideas.And he is nkt ugly like everybody calls him
I mean...shouldn't he? He's beaten Ares, the previous god of war, Zeus, Hades, Poseidon, Cronos
@@floricel_112
Norse Gods are apparently stronger.
@@quarantinejet2312 Physically; they kinda are in alot of cases. Particularly Thor (see every Myth that Thor is in). As far as Gods go; I'm not entirely sure. Thor could probably 1v1 Zeus without too much of a problem (he killed a giant Serpent that couldve destroyed the world so)
Who would you naturally fear more? A muscular, clean cut, handsome dude that looks like Chris Hemsworth or this overweight burly belligerent that doesn't look like he'd think twice about bouncing your head off the sidewalk?
Strongmen are "fat" because because they eat LOADS of food, but they do that to help get them strong. They also have incredible core strength which can maybe make them look fatter. But assuming that its true that Thor eats a lot of food, it makes a lot of sense that he is bigger. Plus it just looks funny to have this incredibly powerful man that has a bit of a gut.
My only complaint about thor is that he’s not wearing any form of armor. Granted, neither did Baldur but HE was invulnerable to literally almost everything. Thor does not have that excuse
Neither did Zeus, or Poseidon, or Hades
@@kobayashi1194 Those three? Under normal, non-GoW circumstances, killing a hellenistic Greek deity is nigh impossible with weapons cuz they can’t really DIE. Really, if you can keep them consuming necter and ambrosia, and if they have plenty of worshippers, THEN they can die of physical and spiritual starvation.
@@Alphapkmn the same can be said of norse deities. Only Divine weapons have ever been shown to harm them & they consume fruits of Immortality just like the Olympians.
Who can still die btw, Ares almost "died" after being trapped in a jar by the giants. Hephaestus was crippled for life. Other examples probably exist.
@@Alphapkmn also they don't actually need worshippers to power themselves lol they have fought so many battles without that affecting the outcome.
@@humanity600 that’s true.
I'm from Denmark and I've sorta heard Norse mythology stories throughout my life from teachers and museums ect.. and I always had my idea of Thor fit what we see the God of War concept.. He's a drunken, burly violent man... not a model
Lmao a fellow Dane
He's the strongest, not the most fit. He is described as a great feaster and drunk.
He was never meant to be an athlete.
He's a lot of muscle under neath his insulating fat. He doesn't need to run a marathon, only a few steps to swing his hammer.
I've had the same impression as a Swede.
Can't deny that reading the Valhalla comic instead of super hero comics as a kid also plays a part.
Brother we set sail!!
Norse gang gang
Thor once drank an entire ocean during a contest with the giants, I'd say that's a pretty accurate depiction of a guy who did such a thing.
Not an entire ocean he drank from a horn that was enchanted to have contained the entire ocean itself...
And thus Thor created the first tides...
So... Badlands Chugs
Not all of it, but enough that it did impress the Jotunns.
Wow so they put Badlands chugs in god of war that's cool
Wow so they put Badlands chugs in god of war that's cool
The idea is that if you have enough muscle to LIFT, it's thicc around the trunk so that when you *do* lift, you don't snap your spine or pelvis in half when you flex, as the muscles provide both support and tag into said lifting.
afaik, competitive strong men also have a more pronounced gut because it's one of the side effects of HGH.
I think my only "problem" with Thor's design is definitely the lack of body hair. I always kind of imagined that he'd have hair on his gut and chest, bit I guess it is entirely plausible that he'd be smooth-bellied. Still, I feel like it would look better with just a little bit of hair.
Edit: *Alright this one's for my new acquaintance the IrishguyfromIreland, written in big bold letters because they need it: I DO NOT hate the design. I hardly even CARE about the design. I said I personally felt like I would like it more if he had a small amount of body hair on his gut and chest. Even then, my opinion on it has changed as I've grown to like his design after playing the game and when some people pointed out how difficult it would be to pull off. I never even once implied that I hated the design, just that it was different to what I imagined. I certainly never said that MY OPINION was the be-all and end-all and that "everyone else is wrong and should hate the game because this was slightly different to what I assumed Thor would look like", so I don't understand why some people are treating it like I said that. I even said that it would be "entirely plausible" for him to be a clean-shaven boi and never even said that it was a bad decision/it didn't make sense. The fact that I need to elaborate so deeply on this is genuinely disheartening. I just don't want to delete my comment because of a few, for search of a better word, dumbasses getting salty over it.*
Edit 2: Okay, so I was drinking a bit when I wrote that but I'm not going to delete it because it's actually funny af how it's longer than my original comment.
Also, drink responsibly.
He's got the ultra smooth package
in their defense, it would probably be difficult to animate a lot of body hair with such realistic CGI
@@kitsuujujitsuu4025 That's probably most likely the case yeah. Either that or it would be too hard to render that animation for the technology
If im bout to whack my son's killer I would clean shave and present myself prim and proper first to see if he's a wise reasonable man. Then grow out that chest hair over the few rounds that we gonna tussle over a long winter
@@Tribrid-zv3nq Like I said, "problem". It's more just a small nitpick than anything, as I always got the impression that he would be a rather hairy guy, given the area he lives. Again, everything else about the design is basically perfect.
Thor having a beer belly makes sense since he's lush in mythology, plus it adds to the abusive dad theme they're going with him
I'd be far more scared of an overweight drunken belligerent than a gym rat pretty boy like Hemsworth. Just saying.
@@silverblade357 correction: Strong man bc strrong men look like that
Now I want to see realistic strong man Kratos, BIIIIG BOI
No it doesn't and no beer belly Thor In actual mythology is not fat or stronman. Accurate Thor would be Mike Tyson. Lot's of endurance for fighting and lots of strength for giving punches. This God of War Thor fights will be hilarious and bad. 😅 hopefully They animate that Thor belly jiggles everywhere, when he runs. 🤣
@@OnlineWithMikko Actual Thor is so fucking heavy that he can’t use the rainbow bridge or else it’d break under his weight (according to the Prose Edda). You need an incredibly specialized diet and training schedule to achieve Mike Tyson’s body structure. Thor drinks enough mead and beer to kill a few dozen men every day and eats whole oxen. He doesn’t need to pack a punch, he needs to swing a hammer really fucking hard and for that, the strongman/blacksmith body type is just fine. I think it’s fair to say that Thor is probably really both fat and incredibly muscular.
I actually really like Thor's design, he looks awesome and I picture Thor looking like this anyway.
Edit: thanks for all the likes everyone 😄
I agree
Agreed
This is how Thor is depicted in Norse mythos. The only people that would complain about that is Marvel fanboys and fangirls who think Thor's supposed to be a tall, handsome, well built blonde man.
@@leonecartelreborn9628 exactly. modern media has tailored everyone into thinking every powerful male character needs to have the physique of a Greek god, with hardly any body fat. I prefer GoW’s depiction over Marvel’s any day.
@@leonecartelreborn9628 ok hear me out, l'm a woman and l find GoW Thor's design to be more attractive than the Marvel's
Thors design in combination with his voice makes him a genuinely menacing character he’s a giant compared to kratos and is an absolute mountain compared to atreus
Question: Didn't the sagas even describe Thor with having a "Barrel of a belly"? Don't know 'bout y'all, but I think that's a sign that even the sagas called him fat.
He has red hair, bushy eyebrows, and is strong. The eddas don't go into much detail beyond that.
Oh and he fits in one of Freya's dresses!
Yes,mas someone who has read mythology since elementary school all the way to 27 years old, the game designers were mythologically accurate to how he was described in myth.
Then the potbelly makes sense, since freya was the most beautiful of the vanir, and as early as 300 years ago fat chicks were what men considered beautiful, and even aphrodite is fat in literally every image of her before people decided they want her to be skinny in cartoons and games.
@@shirothegamer7574 although the carvings believed to be of Thor and Freya from 1000ad are pretty lithe
To be fair, the statues of Thor depict him pretty Kratos like when it comes to body type. Maybe he went and ate tons of junk out of depression after his sons died (if Modi even actually died after Atreus kicked him down that hole.) Speaking of which, Modi also looked a bit like he had some moobs, a plump face under his beard and his belly stuffed into his belly armor. I see no problem from a thematic standpoint to have Thor look more like a barrel than a wash board.
I'm assuming the statues look like that due to propaganda
Or the statues were made to depict thor in a more "godly" way
@@CouchBard Now *THAT* I can see much more likely since it *DOES* feel like the Norse Gods like to Over Glorify themselves to a T. 😂
Or young thor
@@michaelangel6165 What I'm thinkin
Plus, a heavy build would make sense for Viking warriors, as a colder climate would make a larger amount of fat a wanted feature to oneself (fat can act similar to blubber, keeping warmth and body heat inside)
Being fat was seen as a sign of wealth and prosperity in those times... just bloody everywhere in Europe.
@@cyryl3827 yeah it was like a flex look how much food I can buy look how much extra fabric I can afford
@@cyryl3827 some people even asked to be painted as a bit more fat by artists who wished to portrait them, some theories say that happened with Mona Lisa if i'm not mistaken.
It was really a sign of nobility.
@@heyfell4301 I doubt Mona Lisa, considering she has the exact same face proportions and characteristics as DaVinci's autoportrait sketch beneath the painting.
(it's straight up just a female version of Leonardo)
@@cyryl3827 Makes sense, i was just replicating a theory my old history teacher told me, but yeah, the autoportrait stuff makes more sense indeed.
Angrboda was awesome in GoW Ragnorok and Thor looks way more bigger and dominating in the actual game, you could feel his presence irl, the VA went off with that one
Yeah! Both actors did amazingly!
@@chilichinashop still annoyed that boda wasn't used to introduce some African mythology at least, wasted opportunity and it would have made more sense.
If only she was white.
@@burnttoast.2017 eh 🤷♀️, I think they’re doing Egyptian mythology next anyway 🤔, and have no clue how they’d pull the African Segway off anyway lol
@@Hoogalindo no ❤️
I honestly like this depiction. It’s kinda refreshing since it seems that everything outside of the MCU seems to imitate the success of it. This is original and if god of war 2018 proved anything, they put thought Into their designs. And I could care less about angerboda’s appearance. I’m sure she’ll be a great character and I’m curious to see her interaction with Atreus
Considering Atreus is Loki and her and Loki are lovers in Norse Mythology, I wonder if they'll get together.
Yeah coz they are used on seing thor in the MCU
@Twerk Ambition yeah a lot of people forgot he got fat as shit in end game
but what if it were an african religion with a white character depiction
@@msr2566 bro how is this similar
Take a drink every time he lifts his entire hair 😌
Must be some kind of nervous tick. I find myself running my hand through my hair a lot too, but this is weird.
@@spis_dritt That's not a nervous tick, I do that a lot also
In the words of jesus christ. Are you trying to get us killed.
He’s trying to go super mythology guy
Trying to kill me?
When Angrboda is inaccurate: No she’s not supposed to look like that
When Thor is accurate: No he doesn’t look like Chris Hemsworth
I don’t care about the desing as the game is really a work of art and doesn’t bother me, still if suddenly black panther is a random ass white guy everyone would complain, why would be black panther a white guy if the thing is held with African tribes, regardless of it is fiction. Here we are talking about hard fantasy mythos and the like, that are based on the Nordic pantheon, it would be weird to have a random ass black guy in the middle, just like having a black Geralt in the Witcher as those where based in Polac culture/context ( as the original work )
@@miguelangelsotofuentes6537 The race of the characters has 0 relevance to the story being told in terms of the Norse pantheon. Black Panther is black because it is explicitly a black story told about black people. And a black Geralt would be fine because, again, his race has absolutely 0 relevance to the character or the story being told, regardless of what real world location is used as a reference point for the Still Very Fictional Continent.
We could also get into the history of the many, many times in adapted fiction where a POC has been unnecessarily replaced by a white actor already and the way, way, *way* fewer times it's happened in reverse and how the relative harm caused by the former is much greater than the latter due to already lopsided media representation, but that's more than I feel like getting into.
@@janinemurdock2043 "the race of the characters has 0 relevance to the norse pantheon..."
So the norse gods don't have to be norse?
If that's the case, then lets make all the Egyptian gods white lol.
@@janinemurdock2043 that doesn’t make sense… they’re all fictional stories, so they’re all irrelevant.
Black Panther is a fictional story set in Africa, they’re all black because it’s set in Africa and they’re isolationist…
Norse Mythology is set in a mythical plane that resembles Nordic countries, they were all white because it was created by the Nords, who at the time were all white…
Geralt is just Geralt, as long as the actor does great it’s what ever. Although people would still be pissed not because he was changed to a different colour but because people hate change. Look what’s going on with Netflix, it’s another white guy but people are still pissed.
Characters are works of art, someone put their time and effort into creating those characters… changing them is an affront to the writer.
I’ve hated Whitewashing my entire life, if I don’t hate the reverse I’d be a hypocrite… which I am, but I admit that I am a hypocrite 😂 but I can’t help but enjoy seeing heroes that I can relate to a little better.
@@miguelangelsotofuentes6537 I was playing the Witcher for the first time and was curious about the lack of black people, but there were white people in black panther they weren't black panther but they were there and if they wanted to they could canonically make him white it would just defeat the purpose of the character which is black representation but there are white people in Africa White people and black people or really all people migrate all around the world I don't see why having 1 black side character is that big of a deal especially when you know their taking creative liberties with the work
And to point out a historical thing, those that were powerful ate well, and were generally a bit heavier-set, so for Thor, a powerful, especially wealthy being, he's damn-near perfect
This is a great point
I watched Matt Pat’s kungfu panda movie theory, played some AC Vallhala and after seeing Thor’s body, I’m not surprised he has gut.
You got to remember they eat a lot and drink a lot, and being a god on that he possibly has free range to do whatever he wants and not to mention the phrase “winners tell the tales” so of course they would blemish some details to make Thor more favorable
I mean why are people unhappy with Thor? He looks right inline with the characterization of other gods in God of War. Plus, have they not heard of Sumo wrestlers?
“Sumo wrestlers” he’s not that fat lol
@@sloppyjoe9070 most top sumo wrestlers has only 20% body fat and lower. with one that I heard only 11%. they may look fat but they have big muscles underneath.
@@XannuvavyxH Yeah, that what was explained in the video. Sumo wrestlers are covered in a ton of muscle but its hidden under fat as the fat helps protect from impact.
@@XannuvavyxH Ain’t no way a sumo wrestler has 11% body fat. 11% is shredded
Because he is a God... People are using human issues and putting them onto a mythical being.
Ngl, was shocked and kinda disappointed when I first saw it. Guess I was just used to the ripped, badass depiction. But the more I thought about the more I grew to love the design and got excited for it. The GoW team seems to excel at putting a new spin on things whilst still making them feel grounded and meaningful - so I trust them completely👍
Same.
And, even if he's fat, Thor would still manage to be badass and intimidating.
Yeah that’s what a lot of people who like don’t know the actual Norse myth would automatically think, marvel Thor is more closer to the Victorian depiction of Thor which showed him blonde and skinny but we go back to the actual myth Thor was described differently he was said to have red hair, a beard and out of all the gods was the one to eat the most, so like in terms of appearance this Thor is more closer to the actual Thor than marvels Thor . But not to crap on marvels Thor cause marvels version definitely acts like Thor in the mythology, the personality is on point Thor be the type of guys you would see at parties either drinking or eating, but hell always have your back.
I'm gonna be a positive person and not say it, but you can bet I'll think it
I'm still disappointed I want to see muscles
@@tercial I mean those are muscles, that’s what happens when you go for big muscles you get a belly, there’s not one strongman or woman out there that doesn’t have a belly, it’s like sumo wrestlers those are actually muscles, that’s what happens when you eat a lot of protein food it builds muscle
I’m a Norwegian who loves norse mythology and viking history, and i LOVE how they made Thor and Tyr. They look awesome in the game, and I think i’ve never seen a better representation made of Thor in a long while. I like marvel, but marvel’s thor is a completely different person, you can’t really compare cus the only thing marvel has right is the names tbh.
Also, angrboda being dark skinned didn’t bother me at all, there were different skintones back in the viking era, ofc the majority was white people but there were others too, i like how they made her.
The game changed many aspects of the mythology sure but i’m super impressed by how accurate things is aswell. I love GoW’s take on norse gods and mythology.
Edit: typos
Racist people don't understand history very well and that hundreds of years ago people, surprise, traveled. The old world was alot more interconnected in the time of the vikings then most people think, so an African descended person, would not have been common, but is not unreasonable or a ridiculous idea
@@Comuniity_ Yeah, but you overestimate what you know, and yes, maybe in big cities and port areas, but not in most areas.
It was heavily more fragile ecosystem and very easy to begin Isolated.
You are just trashing on people thinking you know what you are talking about.
Like putting a Black woman as a norse Jarl/Chieftain, not possible, especially the circumstances.
Or Black Achilles.
You are overestimate the connection the world had.
They certainly had more than what people think generally, but you will be mistaken if you really think that.
For example, Egyptian aren't black, no Egyptian is actually black.
They are Mediterranean, like south Italians and Greek people.
But why there were still some black people in Egypt?
Movement, but getting from Numidia to Greece or Germania was almost unreasonable if Impossible, no you had many reasons unless you were a slave or a Auxiliary of the Romans, when they still were there.
I won't like if they put a Norwegian as Leonardo Da Vinci, wouldn't make sense.
Nor I want an Italian doing the King of the Zulu, same.
Nor I want an Asian as Julius Caesar, same.
One thing is being racist, one is being realistic.
There is something called "Historically Plausible", that clearly you don't get.
And my example aren't very plausible.
Like apparently Anne Boleyn was black, what a joke people are.
@@DucaCremisi She's a fictional fucking character, there's no historical accuracy. You're just all salty about a black women in your video games.
@@Comuniity_
If it's a fictional character why do you call people racist?
It's just a fictional character after all.
She exist as much God, Allah and Mother Nature.
Take it as you will, I don't care.
Usually civilization depicts their gods as looking like them, to be closer to them and feel in contact.
There is cultural accuracy, and she wasn't black.
Did you ever seen a depiction of her?
Or a myth about her that?
You all invented and complain cultural appropriation, here and there, I think this is considerable one.
Since it's norse mythology.
Making a character black for "diversity" sake changing the original myth.
You are the racist one at max.
I don't give a damn, I'm more salty that someone defends virtue signaling.
I could be black for all you know, the difference here is that I don't give a shit about a person colour, sex or religion.
My girlfriend is "black", and somehow I still love her.
Unreal Ik.
For me black isn't even a category, you damn Americans.
I understand you are Spanish, you are Ethiopian, you are Moroccan, you are Polish, you are Congolese.
Not a white guy or a black guy.
You seem to be stuck in the 60'.
I'm an historian, I care about represent our history with fidelity.
Looking at the good we did and the stupid stuff we did.
@@DucaCremisi it's racist because you're mad and screaming about "historical inaccuracy" because it's a black woman.
I adore all the people acting like they're all offended. They defend an idealized portrayal of these characters in a franchise that revolves around killing them!
I just laugh at how people get offended by fiction. We literally gut a troll in Hel and blow out a dragon's neck but a character's appearance is too much for them to handle?
@@ShadowNova300 i dont mind thors design that much. A little surprising perhaps. However i do understand people upset about her skin color. I gotta admit that im tired of this disrespectful treatment of my culture, by constantly black-washing it. This is my countrys culture and mythology. And by black-washing our culture, then youre basicly insulting it. If Americans cant fucking behave properly and respect foreign cultures and stop black-washing everything, then they should stick to their own shit. Not that americans have any culture to begin with.
@@scythn wasn't she never confirmed to have a skin color or am i bugging, also does it really matter when the character is like 1000+ years old
@UC74SzZq_i1aLhAa2fMNYKCg cry about it lil bitch you don’t even know about ur own culture, did you even watch the entire video. Lmao what a pathetic excuse
@@scythn oh so your racist… that giant is black and there is nothing you can do about it…good! I hope that Oden is Asian just to piss you off more. And it’s funny that Kratos has been voiced only by black men, but you don’t them complaining about put a white body to the voice.
After seeing him ingame, im an absolute huge fan of him and his design
this thor representation is the most accurate I've seen, many a fool has underestimated just how much muscle can hide under the fat.
I don't care at all how they look, i just like how the characters actually turned out in terms of personality etc
Same
And both turned out to be amazing
@@ArchardMMC Fuck yea they did, we got old Kratos back against Heimdall, we got emotional Kratos, and Atreus evolved from angsty teen to normal-ish kid
@@exoticdachoo007 don't forget about sindri too after brok's death
thats great but unfortunately for you the rest of us are intrested in the character designs of a VISUAL medium Thor is fat and they put black people in northern european mythology none of the gods give any larger than life grand feel to any f them and overall seeing this get praised is more than disappointing
I looked up why the strongest men have guts, and from some quick research the answer (in bodybuilding at least) seems to be that:
1.) In order to lift heavy things, you need the weight to do that. "Weight lifts weight" is the exact quote I saw.
2.) The way calories work is they either get turned into muscle or fat. If the body uses the calories, it gets turned into muscle, and whatever is leftover gets turned into fat. Muscle and strength building requires a HUGE caloric intake, and the tradeoff for being the strongest is not all those calories are going to be used. And men tend to store their fat in their guts.
So, being lean does not mean you will be at your strongest, but being at your strongest does not mean you will be at your healthiest.
I could be wrong because this was just a quick google, so if I said something you know to be wrong or would like to elaborate, please do!
That is a fundamental understanding yes. The fat also helps protect what's inside as well. It's a cushion that helps reduce stress on internal organs and bones. That's the only thing you missed.
Basically mass moves mass.
No calorie builds the size of muscle and protein feeds the muscles power. Bodybuilders tend to do what weightlifters do and bulk like crazy (to an extent that is very unhealthy) and then they burn off the calories so that their muscles are more visible. It’s mostly for the sake of bigger more defined muscles but also keep in mind bodybuilders also starve and dehydrate themselves for the lowest possible body fat percentage to look as ripped as possible.
Weight lifters like Thor (an actual weight lifter not the god, which is very ironic) just consume as much calorie and proteins as they can fit into their day while lifting like crazy. They’re definitely a league of their own. They’re a lot stronger then body builders (who in their own right are a lot stronger than you and I) minus a few exceptions like Ronnie Coleman who was ridiculously strong for a body builder.
Weight lifters tend to focus on big muscles but also stronger muscles, the bigger the muscle the more strength can be fit into it. Bodybuilders eat a lot for this reason but they don’t focus on lifting as heavy things as weight lifters do
TLDR: calories is used to make the muscles bigger and protein is used to make the muscles stronger. This is why they eat so much. They do the same things but body builders and weight lifters focus on different things: *bodybuilders work on hypertrophy focusing on aesthetic whereas weight lifters focus on strength and endurance training*
@@zzodysseuszz Thank you for the distinction and all the info!
I like third design. But your wrong. They don’t have guts, they’d bulky. And don’t look like this Thor. Guts but not the same kind of guts. And not NEARLY as much guts. I mean Thor is packing a beer belly.
There is a theory that angrboda might have egyptian roots. The game confirmed that other mythologies exist and one can travel between realm. Tyr has travelled to greece, egypt etc. Angrboda could be Tyr’s daughter with an egyptian goddess then adopted by the Giants. This would then introduce the egyptian universe perfect after the norse saga ends
That would be an interesting turn of events
@@salvadorenoify the full plot is already out there and it seems no indication of angrboda being Egyptian
@@evanjb92 which is f****** stupid. Didn't pretty much proves that she's just a token black character
She doesn't look even slightly Egyptian
@Sawyer Cantrell This is simply not true. Europeans have for years tries to erase the image of Nubians ruling the Egyptian empire because they simply didn’t believe that people of that race could rule and build and empire like that. The ancient Egyptian empire reigned from cirka 4500 BC To 1000 AD, and the Islamization of Egypt took place around 600 AD. What you’re stating is fictional and what they want you to believe.
As a Norwegian I’m completely fine with the designs. In fact, I love the designs. In a universe like god of war, I have no problem with angerboda (probably misspelled that) and Thor just looks plane awesome. Also, Mimir describes Thor as a fat dobber in the first game + it would make sense that Thor has gotten a little out of shape since he has killed pretty much all the giants and such that he doesn’t have a lot of enemies left to fight
yeah but the only reason they made angerboda a darkskin is because of racism and shit that would come from media, especially twitter by the alphabet gang
I agree thor looks perfect to me its awsome not to see him ass a huge muscler guy. Seen as most of his strength isnt from his build, hes a god lol
Because you hate your ethnicity
Angerboda being dark skinned makes absolutely no sense and it's just pandering to the woke left. The pandering is the only thing I have a problem with.
@@dale1070 and besides there is thing called tan
I absolutely LOVE Thors design. I always imagine him built like a tank like this rather than the marvel rendition. Plus I love a good big boi like this
This guy is so kind and nice and considerate, he always comes off as understanding and I love it just being like "Well this is my point of view, its alright if you don't share it and I am willing to understand yours."
I actually agree with the character design. It’s social conditioning when the media shows a buff guy to portray a strong man. Also strongmen > bodybuilders
Agreed, this Thor is fine, but it's also social conditioning to depict a character that in Norse mythology is described as being "pale as death" and having red hair to having sub-Saharan features, dark skin and brown braids instead...
@@AK-lx1cr Sorry, but where's that describtion from? I've been searching a bit, but all I could find was that there's preciously little written about her in the sources we got and that none of it really goes into describing her. Are you sure it's from the Eddas or something around that age and not a modern interpretation?
@@darthplagueis13 no he's right the giant was originally a ginger with extremely pale skin its in the Norse mythology
@@lordcommissar7813 The Mythology as in what texts? It's not like there's a norse bible to go by. There's the two Eddas and a few fragments from various poems, sagas and songs and so far, I haven't been able to find any description of Angrboda in those.
@@darthplagueis13 tried acually doing research instead of browsing wiki pages?
The best thing about mythology is that its interpretable. There is no "canon way" to go around it. I love fat Thor because he isnt described as a perfectly handsome supermodel all the time and is rather famous for his strenght and drunkenness. Fat people are often very strong sturdy if they fight and him having a rather simple unstyled lool and being shirtless hints at his drunken carefree side in myth.
Also, it's a video game. In the last one they had Zeus pop up in the norse underworld. Noone was upset about that?
That’s bullshit all religion has canon there are correct ways to go about it. This is a stupid brain dead take by people who can’t relate to their own gods due to their insignificant in history.
"Can't relate to their own gods"
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Do you think they are all of norse descent? Like "oh hey let's only hire Danish and Norwegian guys!" Or do you think they all worship norse gods? If thats the case making a game about how a GREEK God wholly wrecks them and fathered their literal greatest enemy(Loki) is dead brained to begin.
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OR!
They are making a wholly enjoyable experience with the people who can make it. Either way, its not out yet, and who plays who and skin color they have has nothing to do with how enjoyable a game is, cause thats not how video games work. They have to be fun. You're doing the equivalent of screaming that a rollercoaster wasn't built with your specific comforts in mind, but the damn thing isn't even finished yet
@@ilikedooooooodes7963 also yeah religion has Canon. Canon that fits a small niche of people, cause even the largest religion on the planet would find it difficult to outnumber LITERALLY EVERY OTHER HUMAN BEING ON THE PLANET!
and maybe off, idk the they all practiced on the International space station. Norse religious Canon even more so, since so much of it has been lost or destroyed. The mythology of a subject isn't, at least when I see it used as reference material, the Canon story of the subject. Lucifer(the show, not yknow) is based of Christian and Judaism (and older I know but I can't for the life me remember) mythologies, but it is most definitely NOT the Canon. So yeah,
TL;DR Game about an embellished Greek god fighting the Norse gods isn't Canon. Who knew?
@@pookiesis1465 not really Zues. It was an illusion created by Helheim to torment Kratos
Thor’s design is fitting, the strongman competitors were exactly what I thought of when I saw Thor too, but in my opinion Angrboda probably should have been white. I don’t necessarily have a big problem with it personally, and I’m not Scandinavian myself. Diversity and representation is obviously important, and I love when I see it done right… But diversity at the expense of other culture’s integrity is just not cool, Scandinavian cultures deserve to be respected just as much as others.
This is the single best comment I've seen in UA-cam in past 8~ years.
Based.
I personally think it's just not a big deal (I'm west-german tho, not scandinavian or north-german but you could say the same thing about celtic and roman mythology, both european as well)
People of different skin colours have always lived together in every place that had boats or were accessible via land so why should their gods/mythical beings be solely white? 🤷
Idk, it just makes sense for me
The only problem I would have is for Heimdall to be dark-skinned because he's considered the whitest of all gods but that has more to do with my preference for mythical accuracy than anything else.
However I can understand why other people think differently.
@@tami7992people have not always lived together. One foreign merchant in a world of 99.999% Scandinavian peoples is not "always living with each other". You're easily propagandized and have no accurate concept of actual history and demographics
@@doofsdoofswho gives a fuck about demographics in an inaccurate video game.
From Wikipedia:
In Norwegian the word is rendered as "anger" while Icelandic and Faroese has "angur" and Swedish "ånger". The second element "boða" is cognate with the English word bode as in "this does not bode well".
And now she created a controversy with her skin colour. It seems to me she already very accurate.
How meta it would be if the creative team did it like this to be true to her name haha.
Isn't Angrboða a Jotunn?
Why would she look like the typical depiction of an Aesir?
@@silverblade357 The 2018 game says many times that the Jotunn's weren't all actually giant. Some, such as Faye (Kratos' wife and Atreus' mother) were as tall as any other person. Based on her corpse, she was definitely human-sized. So it's not a stretch in the world of GoW for there to be human-sized Jotunns
Eh, I don't think there's any real issue with Norse mythological characters being dark skinned. The Dark Elves of Svartlfheim are described as being dark skinned and swarthy. Some even posit that the Dark Elves and the Dwarves refer to the same race. And Surtr's name means "the dark/swarthy one". I mean shit, do people really think that the ancient Greeks would fall under what we consider to be "white" today? They were pretty tan and brown themselves. Angrboda being dark skinned is such a non-issue, especially if one bothers to actually research the Norse myths.
@@ajiththomas2465 Your'e 100% the type to talk about respecting other cultures and whitewashing, but as soon as it's a white culture your'e pulling every reason you can out of your ass to say it's ok. Hypocite.
Personally, I'd use Angrboða as a chance to introduce the Egyptian pantheon here, given we know Tyr traveled there. Not that she's necessarily related to him per say. But hey, giant could have gone with and banged an Egyptian god.
Egyptians weren't black like Angrbroda is.
@@moonum4567 were they not darker skinned
If they did that, all complaints from me would die
@@moonum4567 Angrboda ain't that black, I've seen a couple Egyptians with that skin colour
@@bishop2286 What I meant wasn't just skin color, but also facial features and other things. There's been a lot of debate about whether Africans were the primary race in Egypt, and most historians actually deny that now. Of course, historians also deny that it was primarily Caucasian as well but the point still stands.
I did originally believe them to be primarily Black African but most studies I'm reading argue that while there is a African heritage, Greeks, Arabs and other indigenous folk living in that area were there. Not saying there were absolutely no blacks, and for sure there would be a larger portion in the population due to its proximity to Africa. If I were to give a general skin color, it'd be very bronze looking
If there should've been any discontent, it would've been to Marvel's Heimdall. He is described as the lightest skinned god, but we all know Marvel doesn't care about accuracy, and Idris Elba still played the role fantastically.
Elba was pretty underused in MCU.
Who?
@@danguy6591 the guy who opens the bridges between the worlds in the mcu
and? why not just portray the character as intended without this inclusivity bullshit? 😀
@@donfanto1 Well thor also had reg hair originally and in the movies he is blonde so there isn't alot of accuracy in the first place
I love his design. It's literally the strongman physique you see in people like Eddie hall. Nothing else screams absolute power then having the same body then men who deadlift half tons.
the BEAST the strongest of the strongmen.
My thoughts on Thor’s physique & Angrboda’s ethnicity: I don’t give half of a shit *_WHAT_* they look like; as long as they’re great characters, I’ll die happy.
alot of people do say that but i certainly don't mind if they're more accurate to what they're supposed to be which they sorta are so whatever!
@@obironpierogi4302 looks at GoW Greek gods and how "accurate" some of them are
Also, it's a video game. I'm pretty sure the Norse gods didn't know anything about the greek gods however zeus was in the Norse underworld in the first game
Also nobody is getting upset that Kratos is Loki s father ?
@@pookiesis1465 Gotta love that people ignore that or Kratos murdering ancient idols that real people used to worship, but they'll obsess over race while swearing that they're not acting racist.
I actually really like it
We need more chonky boys as major characters
And Angrbodas design kinda looks like it was inspired by Inuit or other far northern living people. They also neede higher pigmentation due to the high albedo from the snow
Inuits aren't black
@@alexrexaros9837 They are darker skinned then most northern people due to the constant reflection of the sun in the snow.
That's why you have to use sun-cream when going on a winter-vacation in the mountains
@@ladyd.705 Maybe. But they still aren't similar physically to African Americans/Sub-Saharan Africans, not the same skin tone, composure or facial features. Look at her, do you think she looks Inuit?
@@alexrexaros9837 Hmm, seems to be rather subjective.
I personally see more similarities with indo-american people
@@ladyd.705 Go on and look up people of the ethnicities you cite and tell me if any of them look like this Angrboda.
Thor being fat isn’t surprising to anyone who’s ever had to fight a really big guy. I don’t mean like couch potato and tumblr big, I mean farm boy who can deadlift the back of his daddy’s old Ford big, or Samoan playing rugby big. In the pantheon of people not to get into a bar fight with, corn-fed country boys and Pacific Islanders are right at the top of my list, and I ain’t exactly tiny Tim myself.
As for Angrboda, I’m not that fussed about her design. Maybe they’re making a point, maybe they’re trying to troll. Maybe they had a cool idea and decided to roll with it. Or maybe it’s a little bit of all three. Who cares? So long as she’s a good character, that’s what really matters. And besides, I’m pretty sure Loki wasn’t the son of a runaway Greek god in mythology either.
Bro same, once I pissed off a fat strong dude, he pushes me back with one hand to my chest and I FLEW.
Lol these people complaining really have not come across that farm strength or big guy strength before like we have.
It's just on a completely different level and then you figure that Thor is old AF so he has OLD MAN STRENGTH too?! SHEEEEEEESH
True. I don't get the Thor thing. I understand the girl doe. It's pretty jarring and apparent that it's just a stupid diversity play.
Honestly if they made her Asiatic or Armenian-ish, it would of been more explainable, since vikings did frequent these people alot lol. She better be an Egyptian goddess or something lol. And her writing better be fucking too notch lol 😂🤣🤣.
@@xcaluhbration thats me. I'm 5'11, 300lbs, and I look fat, but I'm the all time squat and powerclean champion in my local high-school's history (over 120 years of students), and I'm #2 in bench all time and #7 in deadlift all time, and I was all conference in football.
People underestimate my physicality constantly and it's hilarious. It's won me MANY a fight I had no business winning, lol.
@@virn333 some folks like yourself just got it like that. The people that have a problem with this clearly never watched strongman competitions, rugby (as op mentioned), the Defensive and Offensive Line in the NFL etc.
So what's it like to have the strength of a Demi-god?
This Thor is lore accurate. Anyone who is mad over it is American and looking for a reason to get upset. This is one of the most bad ass Thors I've seen in a while
bro america is fat
Random generalization but ok
I wouldn’t say exactly American, just people who don’t know the mythology.
@@TheBearWithOrangeFur Nah, precisely americans with their body-shape insecurity and need to cry about everything.
@@TheBearWithOrangeFur As an American, I know Americans. They're all American.
"That Americaphobic-" Nah, see, I'm an American I can say it.
Hello Body builder here
The reasone of the Body builders mass is bcuz they eat a lote
Like they wont keep a diet
They need to achieve a number of calories
And it imposible to have abs and also
Have a masive Body
And that whag Vikins believed
They prefer strenght ower speed
But Spartans were training to be able to be more acrobatic
Bein acrobatic means you need less body weight
That why Kratos has abs
But Vikins do not
They dont want to be acrobatic they just want to be able to lift big weights
( for Body builders
Yes Vikins like Dirty bulkin
And spartans like Calisthenics)
Actually it is possible to have abs and have a massive body.
Check Eddi Hall's results after working out for 30 days just focusing on his chest and abs.
Dude was still huge, but you could see his abs clearly after 30 days of him focusing on those.
And Thor looks way more like strongman, not like body builder.
@@greatiusiterfector4519 I mean yea
But here we are talkin about pure Dirty bulkin and gaining muscle mass with out tryng to be shredet
Like what most of The Dead lifters aim
For
And yea sine Vikins bassicaly eat till theyr belly almost explodes and after they train very intense
You can call it Bulkim
Yeah This is doing a dreamers bulk
the "Barrel Gut " comes from the sheer amount or core muscles one needs to support ones torso while lifting heavy objects
It can also be caused by hardened fat (mostly from alcohol) or bloatation (perhaps from an intolerance)
As a swede who has studied nordic mythology or as we call it , Asa faith.
You're the most respectful guy on UA-cam towards our religion. My girlfriend who believes this stuff and is a member of the religion even likes the stuff you do.
Theres Norse Believers in Sweden? That neat. I live in finland. Were neighbors!
@Pro Semite mate that describes like all religions ever made, and in the first place religion just in general is far less about the fantasy and storytelling aspects and more about The cultural aspects and practices when it comes down to it
@Pro Semite ok and theirs been other things that have greatly held back the greater scientific community within the scientific community as well, like eugenics that single handedly crippled the development of the medical field since improve medicine means increase survivability for those who would have difficulty’s to without it like babies born prematurely or lobotomies which crippled the development of psychiatric care and trement for a decade or two
@Pro Semite Is it also sad when talking about Christianity and stuff? Or just these ones?
@Pro Semite That people can choose what they believe in. If I wanna believe that the earth is just a huge giant, then let me. Why should I believe that a dude got nailed to a cross, died, and was then reborn or whatnot? I don’t believe in Norse, Greek or any Mythology, but I should be able to without someone saying it’s sad
My only issue with Angrboda's design is I wished she had more braid rings I always thought they looked cool on dreads
Angrboda might also be a goddess from another Realm. These Norse gods couldn't tell _Dwarves form Dark Elves_ FFS, so I doubt they could tell her from a Jotun if she had written her origin on her forehead.
In GOW lore it is established that the gods wander. Like you know, _literally Kratos_ leaving the Greek Pantheon and fathering Loki. And Tyr went as far as Egypt, so she might be someone he met on his travels.
Plus Illusions. Plus we having no information about how the Jotunn realm is like climate wise.
It obliviously needs to have a climate that supports life or everybody would be death.
Excuse me what? Angrboda literally can’t be a god, Norse mythology is VERY clear that the Jotun are not gods. So unless this isn’t actually Angrboda like the company says it is and instead is some god from one of the animist religions in Africa or something she’s not a god. Even Nott is just called a “personification of night” instead of a god.
Also, we know that Jotunheim is the home of frost giants, so we have an idea of what it is like. We also know that there are only 2 kinds of Jotunn, the frost and fire giants. I’ve heard some people claim that there are elemental Jotunn but I’ve yet to see any mention of these in an actual myth or story.
Also, literal legends can’t tell the difference between dark elves and dwarves either because they’re the same things.
@@youtubestudiosucks978 Oddly, that can be said about literally every inhabited place on earth.
So yeah.
@@ChipCheerio They literally put *the Greek God of War Kratos* into the Norse Pantheon to father loki.
And this Odin *literally* can not tell the light and dark elves from the Dwarf brothers.
@@ChipCheerio
The jotunn are essentially just another group like the Aesir and Vanir so I don’t know where you’re getting this information that “jotun are not gods” let’s not forget who the god of mischief is or the fact that a lot of aesir’s parentage involves jotunns
On the Thor stuff: Think, people! A Norse god with Greek physique?
On the Angrboda stuff: I think Greg Kasavin from supergiant games made a point about the Olympians in Hades. While these deities are worshiped by Greek people, they don't have to be Greek in appearance (hence, Asian Hermes). I can see the same thing with Angrboda too. On the other hand there it was more plausible, since Greek gods are often inspired by, or even taken from middle eastern cultures and pantheons. Just adding my opinion to the topic on hand.
tbh this makes sense
Lmfao
Creator's just need to grow a pair and say they are makeing the apreance of tge God that way cuz they want too, regardless of what words they use to justify or how much research they did. Cuz I'll be honest if you are being faithful to how the ancient Greeks precived their deities they would look Greek. And people sometimes need to accept the artistic interpretations of other people
Why would Greek Gods not look like Greeks? Or any gods not looks like their own people? Everyone culture typically depicts their gods looking like them so why would the gods look like someone else? Doesn’t make sense to me outside of good ol Elohim.
Oooo reaction on my comment to answer for my own foolishness. By that I mean I didn't understand why youtube is bombarding me with answers on my answer on a comment I made, until I realized: Wait a minute... that is my comment and my discussion I started. So sorry! If I made anyone peeved or angry by it.
Now to the point: Hades is one of my favorite games. And I don't really like rogue likes/lites whatever they are called. Never noticed how not Greek looking some of the Olympians were, because well most of the first roster (yes I played it THAT early) looked, well Greek enough. Athena and Ares having more of that bronze shade did fit with them well, both were deities of two aspects of war: the order was Athena, the chaotic was Ares. And the others, well Zeus looked Greek enough, Poseidon looked Greek enough. Aphrodite looked hot... I mean Greek enough etc. So when the question of "creole Athena" popped out, Kasavin gave that answer. I just used that answer for Angrboda. Thinking back I should have been less "forgiving" with "On the other hand there it was more plausible..." sentence. What I wanted to say was Norse people were ethnically more homogeneous so of course their view of the deities were closer to their looks. Greeks on the other hand were like the first melting pot in that way (and Rome was on another level too). Greek myths took inspiration from a lot of middle eastern sources too. Mainly in their mid to later era myths. Chaos, Nyx, Thanatos and the others, the more ethereal concepts (less patriarchal, more nature based) were the basic local beliefs. Dionysus, Aphrodire, Demeter/Persephone in a way even Hades as a chthonic diety, were later concepts and imports (have to admit, when I learned about this, was way back, and this is becoming too long to talk about it and how much of a melting pot ancient Greece was politically, so no, I'm not justifying it here, we can have this debate in the next one, if it is cool). So I took Kasavin's explanation as a fairly logical one. Could that be used on Norse myths? Doubtful! But I like the comment about growing a pair for either the artists and consumers. But sadly here I will have to reference Greek myths again, with their legitimization and all. Myths are a free for all in interpretation and inserting ideological views. Artists put in their views (political, ideological, diversity or just personal) into their art, while viewers will do the same and reinterpret it either in a positive or a negative way. And the internet gives the metaphorical soap box to everyone, who wants to be offended, or a closed "court" for those who want to debate. Let's just hope I've not made a soap box stand or an echo chamber here. Cheers.
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The immediate thought that came into my head is that it's more looking at giants from a D&D perspective where they look notably different depending on which biome they hail from.
As far as I know "Dark elves" aren't dark skinned, they're dwarves. In old Norse, Svartalfheim means "dark elf home" but they are dwarves. Dwarves had different coloured skin based on what craft they were really good at. Giants however can look however they want usually, and this usually means being a terrifying monstrous form, and they not necessarily tall or big either, neither are the dwarves of Norse myth. Good video though, glad to hear about your thoughts on Thor being a big dude, that's how I've always seen him c:
Blue skin comes from lots of exposure to silver.
@@givehimthechair that's true, but also (I just learned this the other day) apparently the Norse people saw the working class as like "sunburnt" cause they work outside more than someone who has money and for whatever reason they associated sunburns with the colour blue. So that might have something to do with it too
@@Argom42 interesting. I’d like to read about that if you can point me in the right direction.
Go check out Jackson Crawford's youtuebe then, that's where o learned about it. He studies old Norse and Norse myth c:
When i saw “Dark elves” in this comment i was super exited but confused i was like: WOOHOO SKYRIM...wait wait what that oh OH ok
Honestly who cares? Ever since Kratos killed Ares, it was clear they weren’t going for a one to one retelling of mythology anyway.
People do expect a certain level of consistency though. The gods and other beings look like they’d belong to the region their from. (Obviously barring the really beastly ones like Charon, Thanatos and Hades) an African in Scandinavia does feel like stretching just a bit too much especially as a goddess of this mythology in particular. Honestly more than anything (personally) I’m so jaded to these left field moves I expect the worse of them at this point on instinct. I’m just waiting for some out of place racially charged moment like writers always do when they want to put someone who isn’t white in a series. It’s insulting, distracting, devalues them as people and just turned them into a token POC which is never good.
@@fist-of-doom487 mate we haven't played the game yet so it's too soon to judge.
Also come on, you have a Greek god fighting Norse gods.
@@wrestlinganime4life288 suspension of disbelief obviously. But it has enough internal logic that a Greek God fight Norse Gods makes sense in this universe regardless. On that end it’s whatever. As for the part where it’s not out yet, I know but I’m just really cynical and skeptical about the reasons for this. It’s a consistent pattern in the last few years that when you notice it it’s hard to not see it. As of right now theirs no logic behind a Norse goddess being African because throughout this entire series theirs never been a God that wasn’t racially displaced from the region they ruled over and in the past whenever writers do this (put a singular differently ethnic person in a series out of nowhere) tokenism becomes rampant.
Don’t get me wrong, I want to be wrong because God of War has been a great series for a long time. I’m just skeptical is all.
@@fist-of-doom487 like I said wait until the game is out.
@Deolus _ Yoo so true.
Also that game Hades, like it has a black athena, Ares and etc.. Yet NO ONE COMPLAINED
In modern society, we have the beer gut, in Norse society, they had the mead gut.
I love Thor's design, it's really good and accurate to how it would probably have been. At first I thought Angroboda's design was weird but then I realized the nature around in the game and it made sense to me that it might be hot there and there seems to be a lot of sun there so they might have gotten a bit darker tone because of that. And then you mentioned fire giants that they might have a really dark skin tone so that made even more sense to me.
Just a reminder, this is a game series where the son of Zeus kills the Greek pantheon, goes off to Scandinavia, and fathers the Norse God of mischief. Accuracy waved bye-bye a long time ago.
Apparently, Kratos ruthleesly murdering his way through the pantheons of Greece and Norway is perfectly acceptable, but Fat Thor and Black Angrboða is "disrespectful" to the canon of the mythology.
You can't make this crap up!
And in real Greek mythology, Kratos wasn't even Zeus' son, but he was actually Styx and Pallas' son...
@@silverblade357 PC culture
@Deolus _ which is why I wonder why no one is waiting to find out why she's black. Like people are acting like the whole game is ruined, without wondering why they took this liberty. People should see these games to be inspired by mythology and not an adaptation of these mythologies.
P.S (I'm still wondering why Kratos isn't gay )
@@anything8953 We know why she's black. Because the woke left doesn't understand history or mythology. She's black because she leads into the Egyptian Pantheon, but Egyptian weren't black until the very last dynasty before Egypt collapsed.
People being mad at Thor being "fat" makes me, a Swede, giggle.
These people do not even know what fat really means.
I’m Greek and understood why they did it instantly
@@nikokyriazidis4078 If I may? Why did they do it?
@@ULTwarrior17 strong ppl and gods eat a lot, and they’d probably be a bit chubby
@@DanielLightspeedMcNair Arnold Schwarzenegger wasn't in his prime
Thor's design was set up throughout the previous game through the stories. Their strength comes more from the fact they are gods rather than what they look like. Balder for example rivals Kratos in strength at times, but is much smaller. It's not a matter of what they look like. Meanwhile Thor is set up to be lazy, overindulgent, fat, etc. So it's a matter of lifestyle choices I think.
Angrboda's design on the other hand was deliberately chosen for diversity. Which I guess is fine if it makes sense in context. Are the rest of her jötnar kind of the same complexion? Is it a guise she has taken to hide her jötnar identity? Is she perhaps half-jötun, half-human (her jötun parent fleeing to a faraway realm to escape the Æsir and having a child with a partner there)? The last one in particular would fit the whole setting her up as Atreus' love interest as they would have the "child of two worlds" aspect to bond over.
Guess I'll just wait until I can get my hands on the game before making a proper judgement.
My take on it is the jotun are shown to have either body manipulation or no shared body types. they can be big or small or animals or people etc. Like the jotun weve seen are a giant ass snake thats blue, a giant man that was huge and slightly tan, a normal looking woman, a normal looking boy, and with the new trailer a giant black wolf. So yeah a normal dark girl fits
Well one of the Jotnar is literally a mountain sized serpent so I don't think a black girl is too far outside the possibility of their looks
I feel that diversity isn't that bad (for remakes of characters) unless their race/sex/ect is important to that character. So Angrboda being black is fine. If anything it gives us black people more fictional characters to relate with
@@TheDudeFrom2077 You don't really understand how little diversity there is in media. There shouldn't need to be a reason to have a black character in media, there should just be one like with white people. It doesn't hurt anyone
@@TheDudeFrom2077 Why can't game creators have fun anymore? If they want to change the race of a character which will have 0 change to the story go for it. There is already many inconsistinties in this games mythology so who cares
When i saw thor in the game my first thought was " holy shit, that is a BEAR not a human being. A fucking BEAR." Didn't even notice his belly. Dude is a wall. A bear
If it's true that "fatness" is Asgard's standard of beauty, Thor would definitely want to conform to that image. I approve of fat Thor.
Sure but I don’t like the costume he should have more covered up especially the gut
This is completely false
@@ProtoIndoEuropean88 In a land where it is especially hard to grow crops and most of your food comes from fishing and hunting, being fat would be a desirable trait, since you're clearly being fed enough to grow fat despite the fact that you're probably doing a good amount of physical activities, it's kind of the reason why fat people were attractive in the past, fatness was a sign of wealth
@@ProtoIndoEuropean88 Well actually possibly not. In some cultures, especially fictional cultures, having a visible gut usually was a sign of wealth or power.
This is a weird example, but the Hutts from Star Wars. They were super overweight and whatnot because in their culture, that meant wealth and power and whatnot. I wouldn't be surprised if Thor would follow a similar sort of logic.
@@apossiblyhereticalalphaleg3595 It would depend on where and when although I do agree that Ancient Norse would probably conform more to fatness for their standard of beauty.
Remembering the stories Mimir talks about Thor's giant killings, the big ass frost giant corpse with a nail in its head, and the literal field of giant corpses in Jotunheim-Idgaf what he looks like.
I just know that guy is a monster and he could easily kill most mortals with a sneeze if he wanted to. Appearances are deceiving and a lot of peeps fell prey to that old saying.
Who are you gonna fear more in a fight? A gym rat pretty boy like Chris Hemsworth or an overweight but burly belligerent that doesn't look like he'd think twice about bouncing your braincase off the sidewalk?
@@silverblade357 exactly.
@@silverblade357 I m gonna fear the man who can litteraly rip mountain with one hand and drink beer with the other hand.
To explain the difference: Literally fat is stored calories and while being low in body fat looks good, if you're too low for too long, it can cause a lot of mental issues. So in short, having fat while being strong and eating a lot is kinda what a strong person more naturally is.
Like a strongman one said, "a sixpack Is not a sign of power, It just means that you dont eat enough"
Well thor has some mental issues. But that seems to be a general trait in Gods
Angrboda apparently was described as a "pale as death frost giant" idk what that means or what that would mean how she looks and i took this out of reddit from a discussion over two years ago about it. But if it is true that, that is how she was described maybe it should be taken into consideration
As someone who really loves marvel, I freaking love this design. I love seeing accurate designs.
I honestly never had a problem with the thor design, I was definitely shocked because this was the first I've seen him depicted in popular culture the way he looks in mythology. but I think its great, I really thought that they were gonna go the Hemsworth route but I'm glad they shook it up a bit. And with angrboda I don't really care what race she is, I hadn't even heard of the character until now
the way he looks in mythology? he was never depicted as fat not in any of the historical artifacts and depictions of him and not in any of the stories, at most the stories say he ate a lot.
@@xavierescano4559
True but you can't deny that this is closer than the Marvel version
@@laubra5227 people are saying this is close cause its a strongman body.... thor isnt a strongman hes a warrior. the body that a fighter has as opposed to that of a strongman is different.
@@xavierescano4559 yeah I mean say want you want but fighting takes a lot of endurance
@@xavierescano4559 This is definitely how he's depicted in mythology, the fuck? Just do your research. Dude eats multiple goats during feasts, drinks an ocean and people say he has quite an appetite. Thor would be fat. That's accurate.
The way Thor was described in God of War this was the exact look I expected of him. Strong as an ox but clearly a drunken, slovenly brute
Thor looks like my favorite Highland Game throwers, and it makes perfect sense to me 😈 and in defense of Angraboda, she lives in Ironwood, which they present as a warm-climated, sunny lands. It would make sense that the melanin in their skin would get darker, and she even states how Atreus is funny as a "Midgard" giant. So you have to assume giants of different areas would look different 😅 almost like actual people, ya know? 👀 thanms for touching on it!
I’ve always loved mountain men strong characters as opposed to just bodybuilder types
The mountain in game of thrones is a good one but Thor is my new favorite
The only thing I really wanted from Thor in GoW: R was that I wanted him to look like guy who could chokeslam a buffalo. Wish fullfilled
Thor in GOW Ragnarok not only could but *would* on a whim
@@MirunaNero and then he would eat it knowing him
@@d0navan440 yeah he a thicc ass boy frfr
@@MirunaNero on the topic of thicc, common argument is that he fights a lot, but he just kills things in 1 or 2 blows, he doesnt do that much work, like he just arives, slaps you and leaves, isnt really much if a work out for a dude that eats half of the time
@@d0navan440 also, the strongman bit too. To be hella buff and have a body like they were expecting... that's not something you'll gain naturally via most workouts. Like, you have to hyperfocus on fat reduction where's bodybuilding is just about muscle
The Thor here is a bloody BEEF CAKE. Would not piss him off. I love this design. All that mead would definitely make a gut lol. Still looks like he could lift that portion of the world serpent
Thor's interpretation in this game is easily the best version ive seen.