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this has to be one of the most misunderstood quotes of all time, as StarSword-C said, he thought it was TOO LENIENT instead too harsh (which is what probably most people think because of ww2)
@@Dollt28 Well, from a certain point of view they're right: I think it would be hard to argue the world would have been worse off if the drafters had gone Wilson's route and said, "Okay, let's call this a fair fight and set up a structure to keep it from happening again." The "war guilt" clauses were bullshit.
dam, that was an epic cut there. from indys last statement back to the song. it is so frightening. having witnessed the horrors of one war, who would want another one..
Feels kinda weird getting an episode on this song before an episode on "Sarajevo". As Joakim said, the songs are really mirrors of each other, with "Versailles" being almost a "Part 2" to the earlier song, so getting this episode first is like getting a "Part 2" before the first episode... or like Spaceballs 3 before Spaceballs 2.
What is a fun listen, a playlist with all of Sabaton's World War I songs in chronological order. Start with Sarejevo end with Versaille. Although I like to put Shiroyama and Rorke's Drift in front as a prologue and Flander's Field at the end because it feels like a good way to end the playlist. For those interested the playlist I have is listed below. Based off a playlist I found on Reddit, but with a few changes. 1. Shiroyama 2. Rorke's Drift 3. Sarajevo 4. March To War 5. Race To The Sea 6. Christmas Truce 7. A Ghost In The Trenches 8. The Attack Of The Dead Men 9. Last Dying Breath 10. The Unkillable Soldier 11. Cliffs of Gallipoli 12. Angels Calling 13. Red Baron 14. Fields Of Verdun 15. Dreadnought 16. Soldier Of Heaven 17. The Future Of Warfare 18. Lady Of The Dark 19. Seven Pillars Of Wisdom 20. The Valley Of Death 21. The Price Of A Mile 22. Great War 23. Stormtroopers 24. Devil Dogs 25. Diary Of An Unknown Soldier 26. The Lost Battalion 27. 82nd All The Way 28. Hellfighters 29. The End Of The War To End All Wars 30. Versailles 31. In Flanders Fields
Stalin and Mao didn't specifically set out to exterminate entire peoples on an industrial scale, that's the difference. Most of the deaths under their watch were due to incompetence or to crush resistance. They also ruled for far longer than the Nazis.
I think part of the reason Turkey got off differently was less that the regime had changed and the state had also lost a lot of territory - this was also true for Austria and Hungary - but that they were obviously willing to fight against the terms and had defeated Greek forces in some of the territory that was supposed to be handed over to Greece. And neither the French nor the British were enthusiastic about a war against the still large Turkish army on behalf of Greek ambitions and ancient claims to cities on the coast of Turkey. And Greece lacked the power to do that alone. Austria and Hungary by contrast were bordered by Italy, Romania, and the new Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia. All of those would have been ready to take another slice out of their neighbours - possibly the thing that did most to stop them was that the others would also have wanted their own bits and might have led to them fighting each other.
Yugoslavia tried to get a bigger territory from austria (the southern part of todays Carinthia). The people of Carinthia wanted to stay in Austria, so they fought of the intruders for another 2 years. The war (defensive battle from 1918 on) in southern Carinthia acutally ended on 10.10.1920 with a national referendum where more people voted for remaining in Austria.
They will, the only reason they went so long without is they ran out of history songs to do episodes on until the album came out so now they are slow dripping them into our collective UA-cam vein.
I feel like Indy has one of the most unique perspectives on the Treaty of Versailles, that I have ever heard. He doesn’t blame the fairness, instead, the Allie’s willingness to cooperate. Also, Joachim, never apologize for getting too into musical theory, my mother went to arts school, so I know the terms and the pain.
I agree, that's a really interesting perspective I haven't heard before! I've heard a lot of different opinions over time, but I never heard anyone say that WW2 happened because of a lack of willingness to enforce the terms of the agreement. I certainly can't say that he is wrong, either!
I love how the song transforms from joyous, celebratory, triumphant, crying and laughing in relief feel of the music to the looking around and taking stock of the new reality, sobering up after the party and then to the ominous foreboding and grim realization of reality.
My 4 year old who usually jumps on the couch pretending to be Joakim or Par on stage says the other day "I'm Indy Neidell..." Wait, what?! That took me by surprise! You have a very young fan in my boy. 👍🙂
Is it possible there will be a part 2 for the Race to the Sea episode? It seems like Indy wasn’t able to hear the song a lot before recording, he barely mentions king Albert or the bloody battles as the Belgians retreat to the coast. Would be nice to hear what led to king Albert and his men thought during October 1914
1. Good timing to post this, both because of the Versailles anniversary and because I've been doing another rewatch of all of the episodes (no, I still don't know why they help calm me). 2. Some fans do watch for history lessons and talk of music crafting, since both discussions are interesting and educational. I do wish the use of spoken instead of sung verses in both this and Sarajevo was brought up, as I am curious as to why that was done. 3. I also wonder how many of the other treaties created to end WWI are taught in schools. I know I never heard of any of them besides Versailles while in fairly good American schools back in the 1980s/early 1990s. I understand that the simplified story of the Treaty of Versailles is taught to attempt to show how and why the rise of Nazi Germany and WWII happened in a way kids can understand, but I don't remember anyone saying "this is the tl;dr version due to lack of time in class for more" and encouraging people to do their own research. This is one reason Sabaton in general and the Sabaton History channel are great, because they do say that and encourage education.
At least on spain you need to know the name of the country and the peace treaty it belongs to but not a lot more but it differs from part to part of the country
The other treaties are taught atleast in the countries that were affected by them. (Plus for the loser countries they are a big national pain, for example Hungarys giant landloss.)
Looking forward to watching you performing live on July 21st here in Athens, Hellas guys. 20 days to go. Can't wait. See you then. Excellent episode as always. Good analysis by Indy Neidel and an interesting interview at the end.
Hey, just leaving a suggestion. It'd be nice to do an episode on Leo Major, a French Canadian soldier in ww2 and the Korean war. I won't go into to much detail but here's a quick summary: -----WW2----- - Was on the frontline of D day at Juno beach. -Captured a German tank containing communications ciphers. - Single-handedly captured 93 German soldiers while being out on a scouting mission. During that night, he lost his left eye to a white-phosphorus grenade and had his spine shattered in two places by an antitank mine amongst other injuries. He was awarded the Distinguished Conduct Medals for it but refused because he deemed general Montgomery too incompetent to award such an honor - Single-handedly liberated the town of Zwolle from German occupation, Zwolle was occupied by roughly 1500 german soldiers. Him and Willy Arseneault were sent on a scouting mission to determine the enemy location in order to launch artillery strike on the town. Early in the mission Willy Arseneault died and Leo Major decided to take matter in his own hands (I wont go into too much detail otherwise this comment would be way too long). The town of Zwolle still has yearly parade in his honor and have awarded him honorary citizenship. He was again awarded a Distinguished Conduct Medals for it and this time accepted the award. -----Korean War----- Here's a prelude: The commander of the mortar platoon, Captain Charly Forbes, later wrote that Major was "an audacious man ... not satisfied with the proximity of my barrage and asks to bring it closer...In effect my barrage falls so close that I hear my bombs explode when he speaks to me on the radio." In Nov 1951 the American 3rd infantry division lost hill 355 to the Chinese army, leaving behind a significant amount of supplies. Lieutenant colonel Jacques Dextraze ask Leo if he can do anything about it. Leo ask to be given carte blanche, that he chooses his troops himself and that afterwards all his troops be given a bottle of rhum and an 8 day leave. That same night Leo goes to hill 355 with 18 men he previously trained, by morning he had seized the hill. Then the Chinese attempted to take it back with their 190th and 191st division, an estimated 14 000 with no success. Leo and his troops then defended the hill against 7 more attacks from 4 different directions over 3 days before being replaced by Canadian reinforcement. To highlight how insane that is again, Leo and 18 of his men did what the American 3rd division, made up of ten thousand men, deemed impossible for them to do. For those actions he was awarded his second Distinguished Conduct Medals (third if you count the one he refused) and became the only Canadian to have received a Distinguished Conduct Medals in two separate wars. I also found some articles that details the events of hill 355 a bit differently then Leo Major's Wikipedia page, not quite sure which is more accurate so I'll leave them here too (second one is from the canadian va associationof the korean war so it should be trustworthy). Forst one: www.google.com/amp/s/www.cranbrooktownsman.com/community/annals-of-canadian-combat-leo-major-and-the-battle-of-maryang-san/amp/ Second one: www.kvacanada.com/stories_trfleo.htm
And yet again. This channel got me staying up late watching a video about history. It's 02:14 am rn. And I have to get up at 7 , but who cares. This is more intresting then sleep anyways
I’ve learned quite a bit from this episode, like the five separate treaties. Also, learned where Joachim has not visited (much to my surprise and amusement). Can’t wait to see them live for the first time!
I really wish that one day, hopefully this year, you guys cover the Operation Anthropoid. It was a really important event in the history of Czechoslovakia, now Czech Republic and Slovakia respectively. There were many celebrations this year after the 80th anniversary of the events, there was actually a recreation of assasination in the curve that it happened in (video of the recreation here ua-cam.com/video/O90MmLsoIGo/v-deo.html, unfortunately our class' pleas to go and see it in person fell on deaf ears, even though it would take us 30 minutes to get there from school at most, so I was at school when it took place). There was a QR game about Anthropoid that started roughly in the place of the assasination. There was also a public exhibit on the Square of Peace about the background and the operation itself. Both unfortunately ended on June 18th as a reminder of the day the paratroopers were caught in the Saints Cyril and Methodius Cathedra. _In the days following the Lidice massacre (A Gestapo report suggested Lidice was the hiding place of the assassins, since several Czech army officers exiled in England were known to have come from there. The Lidice massacre happenned on 9 June 1942, 199 men were killed, 195 women were deported to Ravensbrück concentration camp, and 95 children taken prisoner. Of the children, 81 were later killed in gas vans at the Chełmno extermination camp, while eight were adopted by German families. The Czech village of Ležáky was also destroyed because a radio transmitter belonging to the Silver A team was found there. The men and women of Ležáky were murdered, both villages were burned, and the ruins of Lidice were levelled.), no leads were found for those responsible for Heydrich's death. A deadline was issued to the military and the people of Czechoslovakia for the assassins to be apprehended by 18 June 1942. If they were not caught by then, the Germans threatened to spill far more blood, believing that this threat would be enough to force a potential informant to sell out the culprits. Many civilians were indeed wary and fearful of further reprisals, making hiding information much longer increasingly difficult. The assailants initially hid with two Prague families and later took refuge in Karel Boromejsky Church (now the Saints Cyril and Methodius Cathedra), an Eastern Orthodox church in Prague. The Germans were unable to locate the attackers until Karel Čurda of the Out Distance sabotage group turned himself in to the Gestapo and gave up the names of the team's local contacts for the bounty of one million Reichsmarks._ _Čurda betrayed several safe houses provided by the Jindra group, including that of the Moravec family in Žižkov. At __05:00__ on 17 June, the Moravec flat was raided. The family was made to stand in the hallway while the Gestapo searched their flat. Marie Moravec was allowed to go to the toilet, where she bit into a cyanide capsule and killed herself. Alois Moravec was unaware of his family's involvement with the resistance; he was taken to the Petschek Palace _*_(fun fact - when Germans were translating Czech names of places to German, this place got named Gestapo-Heim, kinda for a good reason, since gestapo had headquarters there, and the Victory square Stalingradplatz, or that is what my favorite book about Prague uprising says at least, among other, back then banned, jokes, I can shate more in the comments, not sure if they'll land tho)_*_ together with his 17-year-old son Vlastimil, or "Ata", who was tortured throughout the day, but refused to talk. The youth was stupefied with brandy, shown his mother's severed head in a fish tank, and warned that, if he did not talk, his father would be next; Ata gave in. Ata was executed by the Nazis in Mauthausen on 24 October 1942, the same day as his father, his fiancée, her mother, and her brother._ _Waffen-SS troops laid siege to the church the following day, but they were unable to take the assailants alive, despite the best efforts of 750 SS soldiers under the command of SS-Gruppenführer Karl Fischer von Treuenfeld. They also brought along Čurda, who tried to get them to surrender by shouting: "Kamarádi, vzdejte se! Nic se vám nestane! Mně se také nic nestalo." ("Friends, surrender! Nothing will happen to you! Nothing happened to me either.") to which the paratroopers fired back and shouted: "Jsme Češi! Nikdy se nevzdáme, slyšíte? Nikdy!" ("We are Czechs! We will never surrender, you hear? Never!") Adolf Opálka and Josef Bublík were killed in the prayer loft after a two-hour gun battle, and Kubiš was reportedly found unconscious after the battle and died shortly after from his injuries. Jozef Gabčík, Josef Valčík, Jaroslav Švarc, and Jan Hrubý killed themselves in the crypt after repeated SS attacks, attempts to force them out with tear gas, and fire brigade trucks brought in to try to flood the crypt. The SS report about the fight mentioned five wounded SS soldiers. The men in the church had only pistols, while the attackers had machine guns, submachine guns, and hand grenades. After the battle, Čurda confirmed the identity of the dead Czech resistance fighters, including Kubiš and Gabčík._ _Bishop Gorazd took the blame for the actions in the church to minimize the reprisals among his flock, and even wrote letters to the Nazi authorities, who arrested him on 27 June 1942 and tortured him. On 4 September 1942, the bishop, the church's priests and senior lay leaders were taken to Kobylisy Shooting Range in a northern suburb of Prague and shot. For his actions, Bishop Gorazd was later glorified as a martyr by the Eastern Orthodox Church._ I know that there isn't a song about the operation (yet, hopefully), but I recall that in the Diary of an Unknown Soldier you mentioned that if we have any ideas of things that are Sabaton related and *history* *related* , but it's not an individual song, to write it in the comments.
Great episode, spanning a very disturbing time. Especially in Germany... And who knows what would have happened if the Treaty of Versailles had been implemented consistently... By the way, I love this "Thunderbolt and lightning" shirt, it's amazing!
It would have taken a few more years before ww2 started, in the end it was cooperation that lead to an end of the wars of Central/Western Europe, not colonial power plays.
Sarajevo is one of the most beautiful places I've been to. Nestled between the hills it just looks superb. And then there's the history, unfortunately most commonly known stuff is bleak, but there's more to it than just Ferdinand and the siege.
Absolutely loving these videos! And the song is also great (might I say: as always). Just 1 correction: these treaties didn't only impact the European countries for 20 years - or at least some. To the present day approx. 1,7m ethnic Hungarians are living just on the other side of the borders (in overall, cause they're present in almost every country that neighbours Hungary) - and an additional ~300k far away from the current borders. (So it is kind of similar to how the ethnic borders are still very much off in the Middle-East, as they are mostly what have been drawn after the 1st WW.) I understand that this video is mainly about the German situation (as the song is about the Versailles treaty, not all treaties), but if someone's interested here's some add-on regarding the Hungarian perspective: 1. It was indeed a huge blow to be reduced to 28% (it completely destroyed the economy, from which it has never recovered actually, even nowadays it is far from...ideal), but the most controversial aspect was that even Austria was given territory from Hungary, even though A. lost too. Especially because A. choose to participate in the war while H. actually choose not to - but had to anyway. (Yes, it was called Austro-Hungarian Monarchy but H. was not an equal partner: all military, fiscal and diplomatic matters were entirely in the hands of the Austrian side, H. had no saying in these. Nor did Croatia who actually had an even-more-limited self-rule within/under the limited self-rule of H.) Nearing the end of the war H. even had a rebellion/revolution/freedom fight to become completely separate from the AHM, recalled all Hungarian troops to H. to stop all fighting against the Entente and its allies - which had a significant impact on the complete disappearance of the AHM lines (for sure the war was lost long before, but this certainly speed up things). 2. The overall financial impact on Hungary (reparations, handing over things like ships and certain industrial equipment) was actually more than what Austria had to pay - once again: even though A. choose to participate in the war while for H. it was not a choice. 3. All of these happened with an almost complete disregard to the much "commercialized" self-determination rule as the polls were taken into consideration only one time (the city of Sopron and its immediate surroundings). For example: the territory H. had to concede to Austria voted to remain in H. - even though nowadays there are hardly any Hungarian speaking residents there, the most common family name is still Nagy (which is a very common Hungarian name).
I love the line "Can a war be the end of war?" War always creates resentment and hatred, which in turn can be exploited for further warmongering in the future...
Thanks Indy, this in only 20 minutes forced a new perspective on the treaty on me... The reparations where never fully forced on Germany. After reading Sleepwalkers my focus was completely on the topic of the guilty for the war but this might be too narrow. Still, I would be very interested in your opinion, Indy. Or is this not really important for the future historic events?
not going to lie the first time I listened to this song I had the lyrics pulled up and the music together with the lyrics gave me shivers down my spine.
"We remember Neuilly " I see tha written on buldig wall every day next to my job. The treaty left an open wound in Bulgarian history, but you do not have do decide what is fair, When you lose the war.
Did Germany pay their war loans (not the reparations exacted after the war, but the incurred cost of waging the war), or default on them? To whom were these debts owed?
Allies: "This treaty will end all the war." Man with mustache: "I don't think so." *To Sabaton History. Can I request for video about "Defense of Moskow part2"?
It is my hope that, when you cover the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand and his wife Sophie, as well as the long-term ramifications of said assassination, in "Sarajevo", you also include some of the words allegedly spoken by Vaso Čubrilovič, one of the other assassins, when he expressed regret over the event: "We destroyed a beautiful world that was lost forever due to the war that followed." Regardless, as a history buff and Sabaton fan, I look forward to the next episode of Sabaton History!
I'm not sure but, i think you guys didn't make a video explaining the history of the song Glorious land, i hope you can make this, because i love it this song
The treaty of Versailles is like the quote of "trying to make everyone happy just makes nobody happy" and that trying be "fair" instead of being decisive in their decision. I've said it before but the thing that made the treaty awful was that it left no country satisfied, and the reason it was ineffective was because it should've either been really lenient OR super harsh. They made the treaty lenient enough for Germany to rise to power again (and lenient enough that it made the germans think they did nothing wrong) but was harsh enough to make them think they were being treated unfairly. They should've made it powerful enough to prevent war completely or lenient enough that there was no ill will like post ww2
Idk where else to write this or how to get song ideas to Sabaton but if anyone knows anyone that can reach out of whatnot, there’s a man by the name of William H. Carney, a Medal of Honor recipient from the American Civil War. He is often forgotten but a true hero. During the 1863 Battle of Fort Wagner he bravely and selflessly kept the flag from touching the ground, even when the men around him fell and died, he risked it all to save the colors, and despite being wounded himself he carried the flag back to the rear during a retreat. He is often forgotten by time, and I want his story to be told and remembered. A true hero worth commemoration and eternal glory, remembered and honored with a grand Sabaton song. A true hero. The first African-American to receive the Congressional Medal of Honor. “I only did my duty, the old Flag never touched the ground.” -Sgt. William H. Carney Please if there’s anyone that can reach out to anyone else that can give Sabaton tips and such, please, his story must be told and honored
Thanks for mentioning the other treaties as well! It kinda pains me that the song was only about the Versailles treaty though. Obviously it has the biggest impact in the future but it's still a bit inconsiderate with the other nations who lost much more. Hungary for example got reduced to 30% of it's original size but their parliament voted against the war but was ignored by the Austrian leadership.
Indeed, my country of Portugal entered the war on the Entente side in 1916... The treaty of Versailles did recognize Portuguese sovereignty over their "overseas province" (colonies) and was awarded very small portions of Germany's bordering overseas colonies. Otherwise, Portugal gained little at the peace conference. The promised share of German reparations never materialized, and the seat Portugal coveted on the executive council of the new League of Nations went instead to Spain (which had remained neutral in the war). In the end, Portugal ratified the treaty, but got little out of the war, which cost more than 8,000 Portuguese Armed Forces troops their lives.
This episode is literally rewritten epilogue the Great War had published in 2018. Don't say it's bad - I say it's awesome, since these epilogues were great.
I should bring up WRT President Wilson, he was a huge racist at home, too: massively pro-segregation, including signing off on the order to formally segregate the US Armed Forces for the first time (and he wasn't even from the South, he was a college professor from New Jersey). Breaking up the US into ethnostates wouldn't exactly have been out of character for him. Also his health was deteriorating by the time the treaties were being negotiated: if I remember correctly he had a stroke during the conference. He died only a year or two after leaving office and his wife had pretty much appointed herself acting president by then. That, incidentally, is one of the scenarios the writers of the 25th Amendment had in mind.
He was born in Staunton, Virginia on December 28, 1856, his first memory is hearing that Abraham Lincoln got elected and that war was coming, grew up in Augusta, Georgia then in Columbia South Carolina, Went to College at Princeton, then went back to Virginia for law school then back to Georgia to practice law, got sick of it so went to John Hopkins to get his PhD then jumped around at several colleges before back to Princeton to Governor of New Jersey to President
@@jarlbreadmaker In A. Scott Berg's book, I believe it was Wilson had undiagnosed/poorly diagnosed atherosclerosis and have several small strokes over the course of his life until the Big one that nearly killed him.
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wow that makes me feel old
Yes, I did & I have a BA in history. This is one of the reasons I love Sabaton & Sabaton History - there's always more to learn!
Very much!
Always
It was fantastic video.
"this is not peace. It's a ceasefire for 20 years" - Marshall Ferdinand Foch when reading the treaty of Versailles, 1919.
great prediction on his part
That one didn't age that well
Unfortunately people typically leave out the part where it was because he thought it was **too lenient**.
this has to be one of the most misunderstood quotes of all time, as StarSword-C said, he thought it was TOO LENIENT instead too harsh (which is what probably most people think because of ww2)
@@Dollt28 Well, from a certain point of view they're right: I think it would be hard to argue the world would have been worse off if the drafters had gone Wilson's route and said, "Okay, let's call this a fair fight and set up a structure to keep it from happening again." The "war guilt" clauses were bullshit.
Joakim never being to the Normandy beaches feels like such a plot twist
To true
Top ten anime betrayals
Sabaton goal of life: Sing the song in its respectice historical place.
State: Total disaster
Joakim: "Wow you have an amazing memory!"
Of course he does, he's a bloody historian!
dam, that was an epic cut there. from indys last statement back to the song. it is so frightening. having witnessed the horrors of one war, who would want another one..
You'd have to be desperate or insane to want another war.
Hitler: Did someone say desperate and insane?
Feels kinda weird getting an episode on this song before an episode on "Sarajevo". As Joakim said, the songs are really mirrors of each other, with "Versailles" being almost a "Part 2" to the earlier song, so getting this episode first is like getting a "Part 2" before the first episode... or like Spaceballs 3 before Spaceballs 2.
Spaceballs 3: The Search for Spaceballs 2: The Search for More Money!
Merchandising!
What is a fun listen, a playlist with all of Sabaton's World War I songs in chronological order. Start with Sarejevo end with Versaille. Although I like to put Shiroyama and Rorke's Drift in front as a prologue and Flander's Field at the end because it feels like a good way to end the playlist.
For those interested the playlist I have is listed below. Based off a playlist I found on Reddit, but with a few changes.
1. Shiroyama
2. Rorke's Drift
3. Sarajevo
4. March To War
5. Race To The Sea
6. Christmas Truce
7. A Ghost In The Trenches
8. The Attack Of The Dead Men
9. Last Dying Breath
10. The Unkillable Soldier
11. Cliffs of Gallipoli
12. Angels Calling
13. Red Baron
14. Fields Of Verdun
15. Dreadnought
16. Soldier Of Heaven
17. The Future Of Warfare
18. Lady Of The Dark
19. Seven Pillars Of Wisdom
20. The Valley Of Death
21. The Price Of A Mile
22. Great War
23. Stormtroopers
24. Devil Dogs
25. Diary Of An Unknown Soldier
26. The Lost Battalion
27. 82nd All The Way
28. Hellfighters
29. The End Of The War To End All Wars
30. Versailles
31. In Flanders Fields
With Sarajevo being left out of the digital releases it fits very well actually!
@@HeWhoHungers It is in the History Edition
103 Years later and we’re still dealing with fallout from Versailles.
“How many more must die?”
Hitler: And I took that personally.
Stalin : Is that a challenge?
@@6th_Army You know the amateurs meme? That’s Mao laughing at Hitler and Stalin how they couldn’t even crack 40 million kills.
Stalin and Mao didn't specifically set out to exterminate entire peoples on an industrial scale, that's the difference. Most of the deaths under their watch were due to incompetence or to crush resistance.
They also ruled for far longer than the Nazis.
@@Sasheto05 people love to say mao kill a billions people but never able to provide source
@@6th_Army Putin: Still keep on fighting
I didn't know there were five treaties in total. That's interesting.
So, has Joakim been to Normandy and/or Versailles yet?
I think part of the reason Turkey got off differently was less that the regime had changed and the state had also lost a lot of territory - this was also true for Austria and Hungary - but that they were obviously willing to fight against the terms and had defeated Greek forces in some of the territory that was supposed to be handed over to Greece. And neither the French nor the British were enthusiastic about a war against the still large Turkish army on behalf of Greek ambitions and ancient claims to cities on the coast of Turkey. And Greece lacked the power to do that alone.
Austria and Hungary by contrast were bordered by Italy, Romania, and the new Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia. All of those would have been ready to take another slice out of their neighbours - possibly the thing that did most to stop them was that the others would also have wanted their own bits and might have led to them fighting each other.
Yugoslavia tried to get a bigger territory from austria (the southern part of todays Carinthia). The people of Carinthia wanted to stay in Austria, so they fought of the intruders for another 2 years. The war (defensive battle from 1918 on) in southern Carinthia acutally ended on 10.10.1920 with a national referendum where more people voted for remaining in Austria.
Well, they fought off the British, Greeks, and French to win their independence
I love what Sabaton is doing and could listen to them for hours
I love what Indy is doing and could listen to him talk history for hours
Would you be willing to share your Playlist? I have wanted to do.this just never got around to it lol
@@hohooooooooify hope it works. Got one for ww2 also
Always a good day when a Sabaton history comes out, low key hope they make one for each song
They will, the only reason they went so long without is they ran out of history songs to do episodes on until the album came out so now they are slow dripping them into our collective UA-cam vein.
They probably learned their lesson, if you wanna do an episode every week, you're gonna need a new album every 3-4 months.
well let me make your day worse if you will...
technoblade died :(
I feel like Indy has one of the most unique perspectives on the Treaty of Versailles, that I have ever heard. He doesn’t blame the fairness, instead, the Allie’s willingness to cooperate. Also, Joachim, never apologize for getting too into musical theory, my mother went to arts school, so I know the terms and the pain.
I agree, that's a really interesting perspective I haven't heard before!
I've heard a lot of different opinions over time, but I never heard anyone say that WW2 happened because of a lack of willingness to enforce the terms of the agreement. I certainly can't say that he is wrong, either!
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Indy: "Say that out loud."
Joakim: "...no..."
I love how the song transforms from joyous, celebratory, triumphant, crying and laughing in relief feel of the music to the looking around and taking stock of the new reality, sobering up after the party and then to the ominous foreboding and grim realization of reality.
My 4 year old who usually jumps on the couch pretending to be Joakim or Par on stage says the other day "I'm Indy Neidell..."
Wait, what?! That took me by surprise! You have a very young fan in my boy. 👍🙂
This was the most informative video ya'll have done thus far. Lots of information I never knew as the only war we really hear about here is WW2.
I love how great Indy and Joakim work together on screen, they complement each other very well
Is it possible there will be a part 2 for the Race to the Sea episode? It seems like Indy wasn’t able to hear the song a lot before recording, he barely mentions king Albert or the bloody battles as the Belgians retreat to the coast. Would be nice to hear what led to king Albert and his men thought during October 1914
Here is the comment requesting for you to do the thing
So you're one of the guys, huh?
Que pasa mi amigo?
I’ve missed Sabaton history so much. Makes my day better to learn history
THE History is better than the music to be fair.
1. Good timing to post this, both because of the Versailles anniversary and because I've been doing another rewatch of all of the episodes (no, I still don't know why they help calm me).
2. Some fans do watch for history lessons and talk of music crafting, since both discussions are interesting and educational. I do wish the use of spoken instead of sung verses in both this and Sarajevo was brought up, as I am curious as to why that was done.
3. I also wonder how many of the other treaties created to end WWI are taught in schools. I know I never heard of any of them besides Versailles while in fairly good American schools back in the 1980s/early 1990s. I understand that the simplified story of the Treaty of Versailles is taught to attempt to show how and why the rise of Nazi Germany and WWII happened in a way kids can understand, but I don't remember anyone saying "this is the tl;dr version due to lack of time in class for more" and encouraging people to do their own research. This is one reason Sabaton in general and the Sabaton History channel are great, because they do say that and encourage education.
At least on spain you need to know the name of the country and the peace treaty it belongs to but not a lot more but it differs from part to part of the country
The other treaties are taught atleast in the countries that were affected by them. (Plus for the loser countries they are a big national pain, for example Hungarys giant landloss.)
Looking forward to watching you performing live on July 21st here in Athens, Hellas guys. 20 days to go. Can't wait.
See you then. Excellent episode as always. Good analysis by Indy Neidel and an interesting interview at the end.
Hey, just leaving a suggestion.
It'd be nice to do an episode on Leo Major, a French Canadian soldier in ww2 and the Korean war.
I won't go into to much detail but here's a quick summary:
-----WW2-----
- Was on the frontline of D day at Juno beach.
-Captured a German tank containing communications ciphers.
- Single-handedly captured 93 German soldiers while being out on a scouting mission. During that night, he lost his left eye to a white-phosphorus grenade and had his spine shattered in two places by an antitank mine amongst other injuries. He was awarded the Distinguished Conduct Medals for it but refused because he deemed general Montgomery too incompetent to award such an honor
- Single-handedly liberated the town of Zwolle from German occupation, Zwolle was occupied by roughly 1500 german soldiers. Him and Willy Arseneault were sent on a scouting mission to determine the enemy location in order to launch artillery strike on the town. Early in the mission Willy Arseneault died and Leo Major decided to take matter in his own hands (I wont go into too much detail otherwise this comment would be way too long). The town of Zwolle still has yearly parade in his honor and have awarded him honorary citizenship.
He was again awarded a Distinguished Conduct Medals for it and this time accepted the award.
-----Korean War-----
Here's a prelude: The commander of the mortar platoon, Captain Charly Forbes, later wrote that Major was "an audacious man ... not satisfied with the proximity of my barrage and asks to bring it closer...In effect my barrage falls so close that I hear my bombs explode when he speaks to me on the radio."
In Nov 1951 the American 3rd infantry division lost hill 355 to the Chinese army, leaving behind a significant amount of supplies.
Lieutenant colonel Jacques Dextraze ask Leo if he can do anything about it. Leo ask to be given carte blanche, that he chooses his troops himself and that afterwards all his troops be given a bottle of rhum and an 8 day leave. That same night Leo goes to hill 355 with 18 men he previously trained, by morning he had seized the hill. Then the Chinese attempted to take it back with their 190th and 191st division, an estimated 14 000 with no success.
Leo and his troops then defended the hill against 7 more attacks from 4 different directions over 3 days before being replaced by Canadian reinforcement.
To highlight how insane that is again, Leo and 18 of his men did what the American 3rd division, made up of ten thousand men, deemed impossible for them to do.
For those actions he was awarded his second Distinguished Conduct Medals (third if you count the one he refused) and became the only Canadian to have received a Distinguished Conduct Medals in two separate wars.
I also found some articles that details the events of hill 355 a bit differently then Leo Major's Wikipedia page, not quite sure which is more accurate so I'll leave them here too (second one is from the canadian va associationof the korean war so it should be trustworthy).
Forst one: www.google.com/amp/s/www.cranbrooktownsman.com/community/annals-of-canadian-combat-leo-major-and-the-battle-of-maryang-san/amp/
Second one: www.kvacanada.com/stories_trfleo.htm
And yet again. This channel got me staying up late watching a video about history. It's 02:14 am rn.
And I have to get up at 7 , but who cares.
This is more intresting then sleep anyways
this song grew on me over time, and i love the orcesteral version
Hope y'all will upload more often. Really looking forward to Valley of Death.
I just noticed that the music is so close to Sarajevo, so close but it has the oposite tone, that just gsve me chills
I’ve learned quite a bit from this episode, like the five separate treaties. Also, learned where Joachim has not visited (much to my surprise and amusement). Can’t wait to see them live for the first time!
Finally , our prayers have been answeared a new video had arrived!
Can't beat 2 badasses sharing the screen together! Also flute works great in this song
i didn't know about the other ones, well i actually learned something new again!
I love the detail of the history and music, don't feel bad for nerding out about your songs! They are great and I do it all the goddamn time
Dang, it’s been almost four years since the end of the Great War week by week. I feel old
I always get a rush of excitement when I see sabaton have uploaded another history video!
Yes, more Sabaton history straight into my brain please!
Another amazing episode, really looking forward to the rest of the album. Especially Stormtroopers and Lady of the Dark, my 2 personal favorites.
I want to see Dreadnought because I love the episodes about weapons, ships and tanks. Bismarck was intresting.
I really wish that one day, hopefully this year, you guys cover the Operation Anthropoid.
It was a really important event in the history of Czechoslovakia, now Czech Republic and Slovakia respectively. There were many celebrations this year after the 80th anniversary of the events, there was actually a recreation of assasination in the curve that it happened in (video of the recreation here ua-cam.com/video/O90MmLsoIGo/v-deo.html, unfortunately our class' pleas to go and see it in person fell on deaf ears, even though it would take us 30 minutes to get there from school at most, so I was at school when it took place).
There was a QR game about Anthropoid that started roughly in the place of the assasination. There was also a public exhibit on the Square of Peace about the background and the operation itself. Both unfortunately ended on June 18th as a reminder of the day the paratroopers were caught in the Saints Cyril and Methodius Cathedra.
_In the days following the Lidice massacre (A Gestapo report suggested Lidice was the hiding place of the assassins, since several Czech army officers exiled in England were known to have come from there. The Lidice massacre happenned on 9 June 1942, 199 men were killed, 195 women were deported to Ravensbrück concentration camp, and 95 children taken prisoner. Of the children, 81 were later killed in gas vans at the Chełmno extermination camp, while eight were adopted by German families. The Czech village of Ležáky was also destroyed because a radio transmitter belonging to the Silver A team was found there. The men and women of Ležáky were murdered, both villages were burned, and the ruins of Lidice were levelled.), no leads were found for those responsible for Heydrich's death. A deadline was issued to the military and the people of Czechoslovakia for the assassins to be apprehended by 18 June 1942. If they were not caught by then, the Germans threatened to spill far more blood, believing that this threat would be enough to force a potential informant to sell out the culprits. Many civilians were indeed wary and fearful of further reprisals, making hiding information much longer increasingly difficult. The assailants initially hid with two Prague families and later took refuge in Karel Boromejsky Church (now the Saints Cyril and Methodius Cathedra), an Eastern Orthodox church in Prague. The Germans were unable to locate the attackers until Karel Čurda of the Out Distance sabotage group turned himself in to the Gestapo and gave up the names of the team's local contacts for the bounty of one million Reichsmarks._
_Čurda betrayed several safe houses provided by the Jindra group, including that of the Moravec family in Žižkov. At __05:00__ on 17 June, the Moravec flat was raided. The family was made to stand in the hallway while the Gestapo searched their flat. Marie Moravec was allowed to go to the toilet, where she bit into a cyanide capsule and killed herself. Alois Moravec was unaware of his family's involvement with the resistance; he was taken to the Petschek Palace _*_(fun fact - when Germans were translating Czech names of places to German, this place got named Gestapo-Heim, kinda for a good reason, since gestapo had headquarters there, and the Victory square Stalingradplatz, or that is what my favorite book about Prague uprising says at least, among other, back then banned, jokes, I can shate more in the comments, not sure if they'll land tho)_*_ together with his 17-year-old son Vlastimil, or "Ata", who was tortured throughout the day, but refused to talk. The youth was stupefied with brandy, shown his mother's severed head in a fish tank, and warned that, if he did not talk, his father would be next; Ata gave in. Ata was executed by the Nazis in Mauthausen on 24 October 1942, the same day as his father, his fiancée, her mother, and her brother._
_Waffen-SS troops laid siege to the church the following day, but they were unable to take the assailants alive, despite the best efforts of 750 SS soldiers under the command of SS-Gruppenführer Karl Fischer von Treuenfeld. They also brought along Čurda, who tried to get them to surrender by shouting: "Kamarádi, vzdejte se! Nic se vám nestane! Mně se také nic nestalo." ("Friends, surrender! Nothing will happen to you! Nothing happened to me either.") to which the paratroopers fired back and shouted: "Jsme Češi! Nikdy se nevzdáme, slyšíte? Nikdy!" ("We are Czechs! We will never surrender, you hear? Never!") Adolf Opálka and Josef Bublík were killed in the prayer loft after a two-hour gun battle, and Kubiš was reportedly found unconscious after the battle and died shortly after from his injuries. Jozef Gabčík, Josef Valčík, Jaroslav Švarc, and Jan Hrubý killed themselves in the crypt after repeated SS attacks, attempts to force them out with tear gas, and fire brigade trucks brought in to try to flood the crypt. The SS report about the fight mentioned five wounded SS soldiers. The men in the church had only pistols, while the attackers had machine guns, submachine guns, and hand grenades. After the battle, Čurda confirmed the identity of the dead Czech resistance fighters, including Kubiš and Gabčík._
_Bishop Gorazd took the blame for the actions in the church to minimize the reprisals among his flock, and even wrote letters to the Nazi authorities, who arrested him on 27 June 1942 and tortured him. On 4 September 1942, the bishop, the church's priests and senior lay leaders were taken to Kobylisy Shooting Range in a northern suburb of Prague and shot. For his actions, Bishop Gorazd was later glorified as a martyr by the Eastern Orthodox Church._
I know that there isn't a song about the operation (yet, hopefully), but I recall that in the Diary of an Unknown Soldier you mentioned that if we have any ideas of things that are Sabaton related and *history* *related* , but it's not an individual song, to write it in the comments.
Oh yes sabaton history my favorite history channel ❤
Love the song, Love the history, Thank you Sabaton.
Congratulation guys, this is maybe the most informative and overall best Sabaton History ever made. I tip my hat to you.
This is the best song on the album next to race to the sea. I love it!
Great episode, spanning a very disturbing time. Especially in Germany... And who knows what would have happened if the Treaty of Versailles had been implemented consistently...
By the way, I love this "Thunderbolt and lightning" shirt, it's amazing!
It would have taken a few more years before ww2 started, in the end it was cooperation that lead to an end of the wars of Central/Western Europe, not colonial power plays.
14:35 - 14: 49 is my fav part of the vid
I love these history lessons! I always learn something. And that's a real treat.
Sarajevo is one of the most beautiful places I've been to. Nestled between the hills it just looks superb. And then there's the history, unfortunately most commonly known stuff is bleak, but there's more to it than just Ferdinand and the siege.
Finally a new episode!!! It’s been a minute
actually the music stuff was very interesting, always nice to get a glimpse to behind the scenes
Another incredible video!
Sabaton History makes me look every time with great interest to a new history lesson and an awesome song. EVERY TIME👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🤟🏻🤟🏻🤟🏻🤩
Absolutely loving these videos! And the song is also great (might I say: as always).
Just 1 correction: these treaties didn't only impact the European countries for 20 years - or at least some. To the present day approx. 1,7m ethnic Hungarians are living just on the other side of the borders (in overall, cause they're present in almost every country that neighbours Hungary) - and an additional ~300k far away from the current borders. (So it is kind of similar to how the ethnic borders are still very much off in the Middle-East, as they are mostly what have been drawn after the 1st WW.)
I understand that this video is mainly about the German situation (as the song is about the Versailles treaty, not all treaties), but if someone's interested here's some add-on regarding the Hungarian perspective:
1. It was indeed a huge blow to be reduced to 28% (it completely destroyed the economy, from which it has never recovered actually, even nowadays it is far from...ideal), but the most controversial aspect was that even Austria was given territory from Hungary, even though A. lost too. Especially because A. choose to participate in the war while H. actually choose not to - but had to anyway. (Yes, it was called Austro-Hungarian Monarchy but H. was not an equal partner: all military, fiscal and diplomatic matters were entirely in the hands of the Austrian side, H. had no saying in these. Nor did Croatia who actually had an even-more-limited self-rule within/under the limited self-rule of H.) Nearing the end of the war H. even had a rebellion/revolution/freedom fight to become completely separate from the AHM, recalled all Hungarian troops to H. to stop all fighting against the Entente and its allies - which had a significant impact on the complete disappearance of the AHM lines (for sure the war was lost long before, but this certainly speed up things).
2. The overall financial impact on Hungary (reparations, handing over things like ships and certain industrial equipment) was actually more than what Austria had to pay - once again: even though A. choose to participate in the war while for H. it was not a choice.
3. All of these happened with an almost complete disregard to the much "commercialized" self-determination rule as the polls were taken into consideration only one time (the city of Sopron and its immediate surroundings). For example: the territory H. had to concede to Austria voted to remain in H. - even though nowadays there are hardly any Hungarian speaking residents there, the most common family name is still Nagy (which is a very common Hungarian name).
I love your channel keep up the great stuff!!!
W8! Joakim make sure you take the boys with you to Normandy becose people are 100% gonna make you play Primo Victoria.
Now when does the episode for Långa bollar på Bengt come out?
I love the line "Can a war be the end of war?" War always creates resentment and hatred, which in turn can be exploited for further warmongering in the future...
I need these episodes to be at least 40min long.
Thanks, another great episode.
Thanks Indy, this in only 20 minutes forced a new perspective on the treaty on me... The reparations where never fully forced on Germany. After reading Sleepwalkers my focus was completely on the topic of the guilty for the war but this might be too narrow. Still, I would be very interested in your opinion, Indy. Or is this not really important for the future historic events?
I wonder if there are any photos of Ludendorff where he's not doing that "Just stepped in dog shit" look
not going to lie the first time I listened to this song I had the lyrics pulled up and the music together with the lyrics gave me shivers down my spine.
Paris 1919 by Margaret MacMillan is one of the best books on this subject.
She was one of the major authors I used when looking at how Wilson's role specifically has been debated in a paper for school I recently wrote.
"We remember Neuilly " I see tha written on buldig wall every day next to my job. The treaty left an open wound in Bulgarian history, but you do not have do decide what is fair, When you lose the war.
Damn, have you gotten a camera upgrade?
Looks amazing.
I remembered about the minor and major tone stuff too. And I HISTORICALLY am believed to have a bad memory.
sabaton history = perfect way to end an "aw NUTS!" week at work!
Ayyyyyyy new episode
I've been waiting for my remedial history lessons
Did Germany pay their war loans (not the reparations exacted after the war, but the incurred cost of waging the war), or default on them? To whom were these debts owed?
According to BBC they finally finished paying the loans in 2010.
I seem to remember something about them paying it off in 2010, I think.
Allies: "This treaty will end all the war."
Man with mustache: "I don't think so."
*To Sabaton History. Can I request for video about "Defense of Moskow part2"?
I have one pressing question: Did Joakim visit Normandy beach?
Loved it! 😍
They were at Hellfest in Clisson, France last week, so no excuse for Joakim not to be in Normandy right now
It is my hope that, when you cover the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand and his wife Sophie, as well as the long-term ramifications of said assassination, in "Sarajevo", you also include some of the words allegedly spoken by Vaso Čubrilovič, one of the other assassins, when he expressed regret over the event: "We destroyed a beautiful world that was lost forever due to the war that followed."
Regardless, as a history buff and Sabaton fan, I look forward to the next episode of Sabaton History!
I like how the song/video teases WW2 like it's a secret ending in a marvel movie that sets up the next movie 😂
I'm not sure but, i think you guys didn't make a video explaining the history of the song Glorious land, i hope you can make this, because i love it this song
The treaty of Versailles is like the quote of "trying to make everyone happy just makes nobody happy" and that trying be "fair" instead of being decisive in their decision.
I've said it before but the thing that made the treaty awful was that it left no country satisfied, and the reason it was ineffective was because it should've either been really lenient OR super harsh.
They made the treaty lenient enough for Germany to rise to power again (and lenient enough that it made the germans think they did nothing wrong) but was harsh enough to make them think they were being treated unfairly.
They should've made it powerful enough to prevent war completely or lenient enough that there was no ill will like post ww2
Sooner than you think...
Now with Versailles out of the way, can you do an episode on the other song from War to End All Wars, like my personal fave, Dreadnoughts...
Weird mustache man: *soon.*
Idk where else to write this or how to get song ideas to Sabaton but if anyone knows anyone that can reach out of whatnot, there’s a man by the name of William H. Carney, a Medal of Honor recipient from the American Civil War. He is often forgotten but a true hero. During the 1863 Battle of Fort Wagner he bravely and selflessly kept the flag from touching the ground, even when the men around him fell and died, he risked it all to save the colors, and despite being wounded himself he carried the flag back to the rear during a retreat. He is often forgotten by time, and I want his story to be told and remembered. A true hero worth commemoration and eternal glory, remembered and honored with a grand Sabaton song. A true hero. The first African-American to receive the Congressional Medal of Honor.
“I only did my duty, the old Flag never touched the ground.”
-Sgt. William H. Carney
Please if there’s anyone that can reach out to anyone else that can give Sabaton tips and such, please, his story must be told and honored
This episode reminds me of probably the most famous line said in Fallout. "War. War never changes."
Thanks for mentioning the other treaties as well! It kinda pains me that the song was only about the Versailles treaty though. Obviously it has the biggest impact in the future but it's still a bit inconsiderate with the other nations who lost much more. Hungary for example got reduced to 30% of it's original size but their parliament voted against the war but was ignored by the Austrian leadership.
Omg they should look into sondheim and themes. He has good talks where he explains theme variation etc
LETS GOOO!!!
Really wish I had watched this back when I was writing my research paper on the Treaty of Versailles back in hoghbschool😂
Well said.
Can't wait for the Lady of the Dark video.
I find it weird that the more songs Sabaton makes the more a timeline appears like Versailles leads into Rise of Evil very well.
ngl this song should have ended with some "Rise of Evil" notes, that would have been sick
20:20 Foreshadowing to the Extreme
Upload a video call stormtrooper Sabaton history please
new video nice
106 years ago today the Battle of The Somme started.
Can you please do a video on the song "7734" from the "Heroes" album?!
Indeed, my country of Portugal entered the war on the Entente side in 1916... The treaty of Versailles did recognize Portuguese sovereignty over their "overseas province" (colonies) and was awarded very small portions of Germany's bordering overseas colonies. Otherwise, Portugal gained little at the peace conference. The promised share of German reparations never materialized, and the seat Portugal coveted on the executive council of the new League of Nations went instead to Spain (which had remained neutral in the war). In the end, Portugal ratified the treaty, but got little out of the war, which cost more than 8,000 Portuguese Armed Forces troops their lives.
I always play this song right before Rise of Evil in my playlist lol
"War will evolve. It will change."
Ron Pearlman says otherwise.
This was very informative, I never knew just how much the Nazis manipulated the narrative on this subject.
This episode is literally rewritten epilogue the Great War had published in 2018. Don't say it's bad - I say it's awesome, since these epilogues were great.
I should bring up WRT President Wilson, he was a huge racist at home, too: massively pro-segregation, including signing off on the order to formally segregate the US Armed Forces for the first time (and he wasn't even from the South, he was a college professor from New Jersey). Breaking up the US into ethnostates wouldn't exactly have been out of character for him. Also his health was deteriorating by the time the treaties were being negotiated: if I remember correctly he had a stroke during the conference. He died only a year or two after leaving office and his wife had pretty much appointed herself acting president by then. That, incidentally, is one of the scenarios the writers of the 25th Amendment had in mind.
The north was just as racist as the south.
He was born in Staunton, Virginia on December 28, 1856, his first memory is hearing that Abraham Lincoln got elected and that war was coming, grew up in Augusta, Georgia then in Columbia South Carolina, Went to College at Princeton, then went back to Virginia for law school then back to Georgia to practice law, got sick of it so went to John Hopkins to get his PhD then jumped around at several colleges before back to Princeton to Governor of New Jersey to President
If my memory serves me, he was infected with influenza during the conference and the stroke was afterwards back in America.
Wilson is arguably the worst American President.
@@jarlbreadmaker In A. Scott Berg's book, I believe it was Wilson had undiagnosed/poorly diagnosed atherosclerosis and have several small strokes over the course of his life until the Big one that nearly killed him.