CAA Proposed Drone Rule Changes in UNDER 5 Minutes
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- Опубліковано 12 лип 2024
- Hey Everyone! The CAA recently issued a call for input to gain your thoughts on their ideas of proposed drone rule changes coming to the UK. This is the early stages of a wider public consultation to decide how we fly our drones and it is VITAL we all get involved. We held a deep dive live show on this topic but as requested, this video is our 5 minute explainer.
Link to call for input:
consultations.caa.co.uk/rpas/...
The document itself:
publicapps.caa.co.uk/modalapp...
Where to submit your responses:
consultations.caa.co.uk/rpas/...
View the full live show here:
ua-cam.com/users/livejSI-vvj6WBA?...
Chapters:
0:32 - How we got here
1:08 - What is coming?
1:29 - Call for input
1:51 - Highlights
4:40 - Coming up on Geeksvana
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Regulators ask for input so they can say they did. We just experienced this in the usa
To be fair, the UK CAA listened during the last consultation in the UK and made changes. Will that happen again? That is a big question!!
At the end of the day, they'll still do what they want. Twenty years ago the govt spent millions on the Cullen Report, then completely ignored it. Its an unwritten rule that reports, and public inquires and consultations are merely a box ticking excercise.
Will the CAA and govt listen?.....this time...? No..!
The "changes" are a response to the perception they got it wrong before.
They have their agenda their job now is to make it fit.
You are excellent at describing new regs with rose colored glasses. Regulators are playing the long game. Sometimes their plans are not economically or technologically feasible at that moment. Just as they dropped network ID here in America, (based on public comment) it will soon be law anyway. Soon to follow will be registering all recreational aircraft. Then effectively Banning home-built camera drones and fpv systems that don't use Geo fencing. Which is basically a ban on most home-built collections. If we look at the war zone in Ukraine the most effective weaponized platform is fixed-wing with GPS guidance, no camera. (Iranian Shahed drones & Ukrainian UJ-22)
Yep, these consultations tend to be 'democracy theatre', the idea that people were consulted helps ease in stricter regulations, although business might have somewhat of an input the public consultation part will largely be theatre.
Very true as we know they do what they want ,I'm not holding my breath .
How can they bring in a rule to stop you from filming someone who doesn’t want to be filmed? Is that rule going to be applied to CCTV, PNR and Doorbells????
I suppose you have a choice before walking in front of a CCTV camera, as opposed to one flying over your garden.
Just have to see whether they're sensible with the balance of competing liberties.
When you are out in public you do not have the right of privacy. Introducing limitations on drone photography will inevitably lead to further restrictions on street photography.
@@MoiraOBrien it really does depend on the balance. I have every right not to be filmed in my garden. I also feel I have every right not to be targeted by an operator and subsequently followed and filmed. That would be harassment.
I just think it's too soon to get upset. You never know, they may actually come up with sensible parameters.
Please to not give them any ideas, we already have privacy laws, caa need to stick to safety and mind their own business, current privacy laws is you can film anything in public with the exception of say things like prest feeding or people getting changed at the beach, you cannot go up and take a picture
Where's the BlackBeltBarrister?
Why, when I have my drone registered and the CAA have my details, have they not emailed me about these changes? Why do I need to find the information about this on UA-cam channels and have to dig for the information. And regarding the issue of people not wanting to be recorded/ photographed, would this also mean the end of street photography? There are two many changes happening in a short space of time I can't keep up. I only fly my drone (Air Mavic 1) every now and then, I'm now getting more and more anxious about taking out with me.
Thanks for the quick video highlights. Much appreciated 🙏
They only wanted payment details for their drone tax, plus you are expecting too much from the caa
They only wanted payment details for their drone tax, plus you are expecting too much from the caa
Because "consultation" is a sham and if they tell people about it they'll get responses.. but if people don't know about it, they won't respond. But I'm sure that's not the case... 😉
I came here to say just this. Cheers.
I love the idea of government consultations 🤣😂
I suspect most people already know input from members of the public will be largely ignored and they will implement what they want to implement, business will probably get to have a say, beyond that 'consultations' like this tend to be an exercise in democracy theatre.'
Agreed. I think it's completely pointless submitting our opinion on anything like this. It's like most things in life, we're just whistling into the wind and the rich powers that be who don't even understand the subject will still do whatever they already planned to do. They'll be seen as seeking opinions, which is all that matters. I don't like being so cynical, but that's what life and experience has taught me to be.
How about any business can apply for an FRZ above their property? The CAA decide on a case by case basis, whether it is granted, if the application has merit.
These SHORT update videos are much appreciated by this part time drone enthusiast. Anything that affects my use of my sub 250g drone is great to know.
US: No one can make more stupid drone rules than us..
UK: hold my beer
I was coming here to type ‘hold my beer’, then I read the full comment. Perfect!
Well the UK also started flat earth BS you might have a point, think they might have also started vegan one also, prop started the just stop oil, i from UK but facts are facts
Thanks for doing this short highlight video, as someone who is active in the drone space both professionally and recreationally, it’s important I keep up with the latest developments. However, this time of the year I get so busy at work I just don’t get to sit down and listen to a long show. The short recap is really useful to me, much appreciated Sean.
Imagine you get pulled over for speeding. And the police views your entire road driving history from the database and see you speed almost daily, and subsequently give you fines for each and every violation. Thats exactly how the drone log history is going to be.
imagine being banned from having a dashcam because it is recording people without their consent
Thanks for the 5 min recap Sean, im quite a busy bee right now so rarely have time to tune in to the lives but is important we all know and discuss this!
I used to work for the civil service. It is an enormously Risk Averse environment , in my opinion. It always wants to make things harder to do in the name of reducing risk. No one person wants to take a hit for not making it tougher when something goes wrong, once. I worked in a criminal law environment within the civil service and we had tighter rules than the crown prosecution service.!
I am seeing a gradual move to tighten things up. Nothing wrong with that? However it seems to me that all changes are to stop you doing things that are “naughty”. There is no change or restriction that will stop naughty people. Boy car racers are still there despite many iterations of the tightening of driving tests over the years. Etc. Etc. Risk averse? The CAA will always want to tighten rules to reduce risk until, perhaps, it gets to the point that no one dare fly a drone recreationally. Except of course the naughty people. I assume you get my point by now.
I am however in favour of simplifying the categories unless it tightens he rules. Sometimes I wonder what category I an in??!
I’ll fill the document in (nicely) but I have little trust or expectation that this will only result in further regulations for hobbyists as the way it’s worded strongly reads as “this is what we’re going to do, do you agree?”.
Really helpful video Sean. Will look at the linger version and read the document as a result
Great format Sean!! Thanks 👍👍👍
Love this kind of video format. 🤘
Thanks Kris!!
Hopefully the CAA don’t act like TFL (Transport For London) where they’ll put out a consultation but they already know what new regs they’re gonna implement upon us whether we agree with them or not. Hopefully thats not the case as the CAA listened to us last time 🙏🏼 Think I best get plenty of flying in just in case it changes for the worse 😢
Submitted my input to the CAA, I did raise many key points especially around remote ID and self builds, also tinywhoops.
Thank you for this extremely helpful.
You are welcome! Appreciate not everyone has time for the deep dive version.
Great condensed version of the stream! Would it be possible for you to put together a condensed "This is how I would answer the survey." walkthrough almost? You're somebody who quite clearly has us drone operators best interests at heart and there's an awful lot of long winded technical jargon in the document the CAA have put together which makes it quite prohibitive on who is able to/can be bothered to respond. It would really help myself and potentially thousands of others of your UK based viewers provide valuable input to the CAA and help shape the drone regulations for the better.
Thanks so much for doing this summary video.
Thank you Sean. Really appreciate your summary 👍👏
Excellent summary thanks!
Thanks for making a short video for those of us lacking the attention span for streams
Any time!
Thanks Buddy just given them my mind .keep up the amazing work. Fly safe everyone ❤❤❤
I’ve only just got a drone and the more i dive into restrictions and rules the more I want to get rid of it
@@1catchem such a shame because I’ve really enjoyed it for 2 weeks but now I just feel like everytime I send it up it’s the worst thing in the world like the whole world is going to scream and shout that you can’t fly that here 🤣🤣
@@tomwollacott5900Plenty of places you can fly drones without any hassle.
@@mikehawk9156 I know there are plenty of places I meant that with all these places there are more restrictions that are on the way that could hassle
Nicely done in 5 mins bud 👌
Thanks Nick! Appreciate your support.
And still my A2 CofC was the biggest con going. What a waste of money.
Thanks for the summary - keep them coming. I love the work Geeksvana are doing, but I simply can’t keep watching 1-2 hours videos to understand these rules and whether/how they affect me, when I only fly now and again - I reckon I could have sat and watched for more hours than I’ve flown!
How a drone user who hasn’t subscribed to these UA-cam channels is supposed to know all this is beyond me and the CAA are going to have to make the rules way more obvious to people buying and registering a drone (particularly sub-250g) if they want to start enforcing rules or prosecuting people.
More short vids like this please. Really useful 😃👍
Nice one Sean 👍
Thanks Sean! Appreciate the shorter video 👌🏻
Excellent
Thanks Jason!
I like the way they give the impression that we have a say in avoiding remote ID, a system mind you which is essential for the forthcoming drone superhighways.... I hate to be sceptical but!
I’m sorry Sean but you could have used that 35 seconds to do an interpretive dance, or mime or something.
I quite like this summary format. Short and snappy. I missed the stream last night because I was out flying my drone, but I’ll be sure to watch it now.
Oooo a little dance... Perhaps there was one and Producer Will edited it out? Hmmmm... bloopers coming soon? 😂. Thank you sir!
Thank you.
Sean I think you should put sections on your longer videos more in future, it’s way easier to find the info you want to see….much better and thanks 👌👍
You know … you can enter time codes on in comments and if you put comments after those time codes you create an index of the interesting bits if Sean is too lazy to create the chapters
@@surlydevlazy? 😂 what a fkn gobshite 😅
Thanks for the update, don't currently have a drone but i am close to hitting the buy button on amazon (sub 250g) BUT, if some of these do come into force i would have to reconsider, especially needing peoples permission to record them. So definitely holding off until new rules have been agreed, also if they do come into force will we see a load of 2nd hand drones for sale lol.
I’m in the same position. Was going to wait until black Friday and hit the buy button but will wait and see how this plays out. Seems a bit of hassles to fly one anyway with the current rules and Joe Public kicking off when they see someone flying one.
I like the 5-minute version.👍
I have submitted calling for the 250gm limit to be raised to 1Kg. If everyone did this it might have an effect. I also said that take off location should only be available to law enforcement.
Hope so. That will bugger up the audits
what? I also said that take off location should only be available to law enforcement?
@@UnderdogOverlander don’t get so uptight. It’s a fucking plastic toy
I’m looking to buy a mini 4 pro. Is it worth waiting until the uk sorts their drone rules or is the sub250 category a safe bet?
Unless the new rules and current rules are more simplified to make it easier to understand then I feel people will stop bothering to update themselves with any new regs and just stick to what they already know. The transitional period was so confusing for many pilots.
Big brother. A few years time and you won’t be allowed to fly them at all.
I would be very careful about the “privacy” aspect of changes to drone rules.
“Privacy” is likely to merely be an excuse to further control your activities.
Privacy is not a flying safety concern.
Can you tell me where I can find this document please? Thanks
The thing is most of the replies will be from unintelligent audit type flyers which won't do hobby flyers any good.
I can see how it can be a bit overwheming for some, you need to have the form plus their document open at the same time. Not easy on a phone or small tablet. It may be one of these where its worth getting something in at least one section telling them your general thoughts and let the CAA work it out, even if you just say you dont think theres much wrong with current Open class and maybe suggestion of both Flyer and Operator ID as basis for all users.
Thanks for the 5 min update. We'll it's another consultation which the CAA can say "well we did consult" or it can be truly valuable exercise. Only time will tell. RID will need to be implemented at some point in the future whether we like it or not. Simplifying the Drone categories to me would be helpful. Privacy should be to apply common sense. Drone data is fine with me. Keeping model flying under the various professional groups BMFA LMA as in Artical 16 is helpful.
Also please CAA stop making changes. It makes me feel as if your staff are not competent in getting something right the first time.
Hi Sean, still loving the channel! I'm commercial pilot, previous holder of PFCO, now on A2 Cof C, flying Mavic 2 pro and zoom, plus recently Mini 4 to enable me to fly closer. I want to upgrade the Mavic 2's but am I right in thinking the Mav 4 Pro is now over the weight category for A2 cofC to make a difference? If so I guess this just leaves me with Air 3? The zoom camera of the MP4 is the main attraction for me. Is the Air 3 a worthwhile upgrade for me?
Good luck!
Can I use my sub-250g drone to inspect my own roof?
So now privacy is a concern of the CAA?
Considering the fact that remote controlled planes can also be flown with cameras fitted, I don’t know how they can justifiably distinguish planes from drones
In the uk, for now Im confined to my garden. so complicated
This is SO important. All flyers should respond.
Most don't see the point, as we can be 99% sure that what we say won't make any difference at all. Life experience has taught me that. It's probably going to be treated more like a data gathering exercise than anything else.
Thanks for the short version, whilst I enjoy your content I don’t have time to watch your full shows
No problem! Happy to produce both.
Sean, nice concise video dude. I have made a copy of my submission to CASA for the same thing available via a google drive link in the description for video about same. Am happy for people to use parts or all of it (fair warning it has one or two typos) Is my latest uploads description as of right now. Rock on and keep up the fight 😉
How does one even respond? The CAA page just has a document describing what they want to do and there's no mention of _how_ you actually respond.
Separate RC model aircraft from drones and make drones have remote ID. I saw someone on the chat say his homemade drones were model aircraft. No, they are not by any definition. They are drones and different from a model aircraft which generally resembles the form factor of a plane, glider or helicopter, has wings, whether rotorary wings, which is the correct term for a helicopter's main rotorblades or, aerofoil section generally rectangular wings on a plane or glider.
I'd query the use of the term 'highlights' - it implies something good. There is nothing good in this, just further tightening of the screw.
Perhaps the 'warning section' next time? 😂
@@Geeksvana something like that, or possibly landmines. It is no joking matter really though, they are going to destroy a hobby for no reason at all.
It's a reasonable assumption that Business Groups will have been lobbying the CAA for some regulation that can be used to stop the Auditors flying over their land and industrial complexes.
The 'filmed from a public place' concept did not contemplate high resolution cameras at 300 odd feet with zoom lenses looking at whether you have your waste bins at the back of the factory correctly lined up, or how many solar panels you have on the roof, or are your car parked in the right direction etc. I would also think farmers will have been lobbying on two main grounds, the disturbance to stock and surveillance of machinery with the intent to steal (not that Regulation will stop thieves)
What I do hope for is that when new rules are released they are done so in a manner which gets them populated across all users, security and police officers so we can get away from this 'you can/can't fly here' type of 'discussions' and confrontations.
This questionnaire is full of obscurity. They are trying to make changes in use of drones and where, when and how they can be used. All the other claptrap surrounds manufacturers of drones and sellers of drones which is nothing to do with the CAA.
Yes they might be able to simplify the rules by making one document but that is not just what they are doing here and the cost is clearly going to be expensive so they try to justify the changes by clamping down on their use.
I for o e am not impressed and I don’t even use a drone! But I do enjoy watching the end product.
Easy question, If I want to swap my Mini3 Pro for a Air 3 do I just need to get COC qualification and register it to fly in same air space as Mini 3 Pro? I understand to keep away from People.
To many questions and not enough room for the answer. 1. How did we get here. We got here because someone thought it would be cool to start a drone delivery service. 2. What is coming. I don't know I'm still waiting to find out. 3. Call for input. We can talk more about what is to come. 4. How to respond. Friendly, being rude will not get you anywhere. 5 looking forward to the next videos.
Here it comes.....fasten your seat belts....
Minimum height over residential and industrial. Recording restrictions over private property...
And many more.
The privacy side is a huge concern to me as well. We will see but it is a worry!
👌
just to be clear this doesnt have anything to do with the new national security bill changes?
So glad I only fly FPV with no GPS or geofencing crap
You noticed the effect of Brexit! .....
One channel, some time ago, I think it was in the US, revealed the number of incidents (surprisingly low) and asked why the FAA had got into panic. I guess the same goes for the UK.
"In line of sight" is one discussed subject. Lenses as well as spectacles are allowed. If I use a 25x telescope on a tripod....?
they need to do something about sub 250g drone flyers using FPV without an observer.
The potential to make flying drones so complicated it's just not worth it is getting high. Many of us have jobs that require a clean bill of health and some accidental drone breach because of ambiguity or interpretation causing prosecution could really ruin a drone operators life.
As a non-drone user, I feel some of these possible changes are due to "Auditors" and others rather lacking common sense. Let me explain there have been many creators doing their best to get a reaction by pointing cameras in places that although legal could be interpreted as rather rude in inconsiderate. This part is off-topic but bear with me, on using a self-scan till I had to then scan my receipt barcode at the exit. To me, if I hadn't scanned all items I would still have a receipt to scan making the whole scan to exit rather mute. So the rather reckless behavior of the minority is going to impact the majority of responsible drone enthusiasts. I would love to have a DJ Mini but I can not afford it. Hopefully, the rule changes will not prevent the enjoyment of the responsible majority. But sad to say in this country we do have a habit of shooting ourselves in the foot. Happy flying everyone.
Yep I think you are spot on here mate. Thank the “auditors”
Ive completed the form but it smells like more regs tbh.
It does fill me with concern. All we can do is submit and hold them to account.
@@Geeksvana Hi Sean, I didn’t have a problem with a lot of the points in the survey as most of it did move towards some common sense but I raised the concern that broadcast remote ID of a pilots location is a step too far. Would prefer a retrospective log system
@@Geeksvana the public think every flight is illegal and an invasion of privacy so if they know where you are flying from they could get salty whilst in the air.
Say thanks to the likes of DJ audits when they tighten the rules on drones
In my 'call for input' response, I have suggested, for below 250g (camera) drones, that safety measures are already adequate. From a privacy viewpoint (and to counter stakeholder concerns) a minimum height of rooftop +20m is imposed. Wrt RID: this should not apply to sub 250g drones and personal details should only be released in court.
RID strictly only available to law enforcers
It's all very well changing drone regs, but I doubt the cops will have a clue, they don't even know the current regulations regarding drones. Most of them automatically assume any drone pilot IS flying illegally anyway.
Couldn't understand the questions, so didn't bother doing it
The Campaign Against Aviation make rules. They don't like the way it's going. So they change the goalposts and watch. They then decide they don't like the way it's going so they change the rules again. Why don't they just tell us in plain language what they ultimately plan to do? I have no doubt in my mind hobby drones are a thorn in their side and they want them gone (in fact like most hobby aviation, including full size) to clear the airspace for revenue-raising commercial craft. The days of the hobby are, in my view, sadly going to come to an end eventually - and possibly sooner than we think. Look at how it is now compared to when drones first appeared. All about taking away the freedoms a bit at a time.
If you are in public, dont you allowed to film anyway?
When you understand the end game of where the regulators are heading.
You can clearly see the steps unfolding each time they chip away at our ability to fly and constantly change the rules, just to make already c😢onfusing rules, even more complex because, half of the rules don't apply anymore!
Just google CAA drone rules and you'll see a plethora of conflicting rules and regulations, you'll see the original drone code still pops up, you'll also see everything inbetween then and the present.
I won't be participating in this silly charade the CAA play, it's completely pointless in my honest opinion.
They already know what regulations they're going to impose, the 'consultation' is just to show they followed 'due process', it makes no difference what we say.
For what it's worth I'd have 3 categories and keep it really simple.
1. I'd extend the sub 250g class to 400g for no other reason than the CAA picked 250g!
Just think of all the extra safety features you could pack in a 400g drone, even a built in parachute to prevent it ever falling out of the sky and harming anything
This class requires no registration and you just follow a basic common sense drone code type deal.
Like fly safe, don't cause annoyance, fly within VLOS, fly below 300ft, who needs 400ft anyway?
2. An intermediate catagory up to 25kg where you have to register and take a sit down test after short training course, something along the lines of A2 CofC.
Which gives the pilot some extra features like fly to 400ft altitude, fly BVLOS but within a reasonable distance maybe up to 2km.
3. An advance catagory for heavy lift commercial type operations with suitable training and a little more complex regulation like RID, permissions to fly, keeping detailed flight logs, liasing with air traffic control where needed etc
How come the airforce can fly drones hundreds of miles away using a screen and no line of sight
200,000 operator id "Renewal Refusal" should give the CAA food for thought.
Public consultation only comes when they've already decided what to do.
I read the title as "the CAA have changed the rules again in under 5 minutes"
Smoke and mirrors they will stuff us as always.
Fill out the CAA form.
We have flown for years. with no problems.
Now its about who has the most money.
No Hobby. No future. No aviation.
We all have to start somewhere.
I don’t even understand the first question 🥴
Im just gonna answer neither agree or disagree for it all
'large public consultation' 😂😂😂 yeah right, "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help" 9 most terrifying words in the world 😊
I forget the precise words from the Tom Cruise movie, but aren't you supposed to run when the government tell you 'it is for your safety'... 🤣
What will happen next.
The CAA will go through a tightly worded vague questionnaire as their “consultation”. Meanwhile the police and business will lobby and wine and dine and by the end, you can free fly your drone anywhere in your own living room, no higher than 2 metres from sea level! 😮
Got it down to two seconds, fly safely and avoid Karen's
I think I will be taking up another hobby, this is no longer something I want to pursue
Blame this on audits
They are not gonna stop me flying my toy planes lol it’s simple planes have wings and most don’t have cameras and drones completely different
I'm an RC fixed wing pilot for over 30 years and a quad copter pilot for the last 5 years.
Frauditors are wholly to blame for these constant crackdowns.
Get rid of the 250gm, with a camera, and class them as a plus 250gm drone.
I hate frauditors.
Would you be able to explain why you think that (what you call) “frauditors” are responsible for this change?
Interested in your response.
DJ AUDITS for one
@zinzanModelling because, and read this very carefully, the BMFA mantra is Safety Is Paramount.
They abuse the 249gm drone guidelines. Look at PTTP he flew in central London outside King's x train station, another frauditor flew in a park, and a dog went for the drone.
Some of them have flown over MOD sites, not using the DJI models, hence, no geofencing.
Nigel tried to land on a member of the publics head.
PJ just can't pilot at all. He's all over the place.
They flew over prisons, city centers, etc.
Because the guidelines about 249gm drones are, these go out the window when the area is not safe.
If you're on 60mph limit country lane in snow.and ice...do you drive at 60mph?
I'd love to know how many are paid up members of the BMFA as their insurance cover is second to none.
The CAA and BMFA do watch these shenanigans, and these restrictions are just tip of the ice berg
@@tony4235 Thank you.
Perhaps you would read this response equally carefully?
Is what the so called "frauditors" (your term) do unlawful?
There is a difference between flight restriction zones and controlled traffic zones. DJI drones in particular are geofenced such that it is not possible to fly into, or take off in, restricted areas like airports, where significant safety risks are present.
I suspect that the activities of the individuals you mention has not attracted the attention of the police because it is perfectly legal to fly your sub 250g aircraft in certain areas subject to a dynamic risk assessment.
If you think that it is unsafe to fly a drone in a city centre, (your example), that is your assessment. The drone code is very clear for everyone and others may come to a different determination.
The question at issue here is- "is it unlawful?" Your view of safety is going to be different from others. The law tells you that it is not forbidden and that is the only issue at hand.
I gather from your initial comment that you don't like people whose hobby it is to fly their aircraft in areas where you cannot with your RC aircraft. That is fine, but it is not unlawful for those people to undertake this activity and to do so with a high degree of safety.
I will ignore your fallacious argument about driving a car.
@zinzanModelling you do something because it's safe to do so not because you can.
If you 249gm drone threw a blade, where is it going to land?? Who is it going to hit on the head.?
It's may be 249gm, do you know how much mass and inertia a 1/2 lump or metal and plastic has from 400 feet?
Not to mention the other 3 blades doing 10k revs as it hits someone.
This is exactly what I expected would happen. Change the rules for change sake. To make sure they are not the same as EU rules. What a nonsense and what a waste of resources. This is all detrimental to the hobby. Higher cost, more hassle. What a mess. I have responded to the call, please do and let them know what a nonsense this is.
The Drone industry is done. Ten years max! Wouldn’t buy one at any price!
More "Big brother",no thanks,whatever they come up with will be restrictive and invasive to our privacy let alone "karen's"
Here we go again...
And still my A2 CofC was the biggest con going. What a waste of money.