Drone BVLOS Coming to the UK? CAA Public Consultation FIRST LOOK!
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- Опубліковано 19 лют 2024
- Hey everyone! The CAA will release their latest public consultation today. This time it will be discussing atypical Beyond Visual Line of Sight drone flight in the UK. Join Sean live as he breaks down what this means for the future of commercial operations, including inspections but also asks where the future flight progress is going and will we ever see consumer BVLOS?
Check out the consultation here:
consultations.caa.co.uk/safet...
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@geeksvana. Another great video. In relation to Dave Parry’s comments. I am a drone trainer for a police force in the south of England and you are right in what you say…. Most forces operate under PDRA01. My force however does have a OSC. For a “policing purpose” we fan fly up to 1000ft. if pre-planned, after submission of a NOTAM, if spontaneous, then after a number of phone calls alerting nearest ATC, local air ambulance, NPAS and Military Low Flying Cell.
We can also fly BVLOS if there is a risk to life… again lots of calls to be made.
Sean, I really worry that hobbyists will become the demons. I was out in open countryside at the weekend. Before flying I checked both weather using UAV forecast and flying restrictions with drone assist and also having flightradar24 to see if any other aircraft were in the area. I lifted off to a height of just a few feet off the ground when I heard a light aircraft come over the hillside, well below my maximum height allowed. I use the formula, hear an aircraft, stop any movement, descend below height of power lines or trees and then assess the area I'm flying in. I landed, packed up and went home. I love the hobby but am frightened to death that I'll be having the finger pointed for being outside of the law. I bought my DJI mini 2 a few weeks after its release, have had flyer id and operator ID since day 1 but feel that I'm not welcome by the CAA anymore and am treading on egg shells waiting for that police knock on the door. I love the taking those holiday photos and a bit of video but I'm getting to the point of thinking it's no longer worth taking the risk of putting my aircraft up. Thanks for the videos and your time to promote the hobby.
I feel for the flyers trying to follow the rules and who feel nervous etc. I was the same for a good while. I always say to try and remember your flights are the least risky in the airspace and even if something goes wrong, it is unlikely to cause even damage.
I have some content on this in the members section coming very soon. On building confidence, etc. Will tag you when they are uploaded.
@Geeksvana I'm sure you see that I'm an advocate for people to follow your channel especially for us close to pensionable age who use drones to create family memories much as VHS and cinni 8 did back in our day. Everything you do to support and inform us oldies who love videography and photography using a drone is really appreciated. Thank You. Alan
Thank you sir! Very kind.
It sounds like manned aircraft have to be prohibited below 120 m. , except near aerodromes or agricultural spraying operations.
I have a DJI mini 2 & have been flying for just over a year. I would love to invest in a mini 4 pro but don't like the direction the regulations are going so not willing to spend the money. I try to check the drone scene map, drone assist & investigate any SSSI's close by. My interests are landscapes & historical buildings but only fly at sunrise to minimise my interaction with people.
I completely understand your nervousness but the video footage is great & really adds to the videos I make.
I hope you keep going & practicing!
Very interesting. The Electricity Board flew a heli over my house last week, and over my business a month ago, looking for hot spots in their power lines. That operation would be much safer with a BVLOS drone.
Auditors won't get so many monetisable confrontations if perimeter security is done by drones - unless YT videos of collisions with them are monetisable, of course. 😉
Hey Lindsay! Great point. They could send the drone out to greet the auditor 😂
@@Geeksvana That's known as "The Ukrainian Welcome". I saw a video today of a Russian drone being flown via a captured C2 link. The Ukrainian pilot used the Russian quad to follow a Russian Orlan-10 recon drone, and crash into and destroy it.
I've seen jamming of the video downlink used to interfere with FPV drone control; Also to trigger RTH so the drone reveals the pilot's location to a mortar crew; And to force a landing. But this was the first video showing RF net capture of the C2 link and video downlink together, gaining full control of an enemy drone. The video's release probably indicates that the Russians have developed the same capability, so there's no longer any need for it to be secret.
Auditors beware!
Missed the live chat, so just watched the replay. Many thanks.
Crikey - I got home at 6 thought I’d do a little editing on my latest vid before joining the stream - then it was 12.30 - completely lost in the edit! I’m sure a lot of people can empathise! Great vid - thanks Sean - catch ya next time!
Actually watching another now - there’s so much info and things you should know it’s hard to keep up haha
In a nutshell the FAA are still saying mr smith can not fly his 250g drone BVLOS over a 500 acre farm at 120 feet, because its dangerous, but in a few years amazon and other delivery company's can fly 25kg drones wherever they want because that is safe
Hey! I don't think this gives either of those two options more favour. We are certainly closer to less rules for sub 250g than drone deliveries on mass.
@@Geeksvanamore rules, because it'll be a paid for licence for them and we'll be told not to operate in *their patch.
Typical "we are changing rules, but not for your benefit"
In the USA (FAA), if you are flying for farm/ranch agricultural operations, you can ask for a blanket BVLOS waiver for your property or lease area if you have a Part 197 certificate.
Thanks for some more great advice, Sean. ♥
Your videos are very professional and informative
Thank you Ian! Appreciate the kind feedback!
It had to come. With big business getting interested in using drones for delivery. It was inevitable that the power of money, would open up the airways(albeit one small step at a time). Good? Bad? We’ll have to wait and see….
Maybe a two tier system with a test for a 500 meter boundary. And an exam for further distances.
It would be nice to see (if possible) an open, unpredefined area allowance. For the specific use of S.A.R. Organisations.
Would this cover, for example, flying, say an Avata beyond the Spotters VLOS ?
Hey Adrian! Depends on the final policy but in terms of flying BVLOS within an AAE within OSC, the drone would need to be ADSB capable as well as specific lighting and geocaging. In my mind, it feels like adapted M30 upwards but I am always amazed what people can get cleared with the right mitigations.
Too many rules, too much shifting around and change.
As long as you have a fpv camera, flight beyond visual line of sight is safer than flying a kite in visual line of sight.
In simple terms....a lot more FRZ'S relating to UAV'S only, So basically it will shrink the hobby airspace for the future.
Interesting that you mentioned Network Rail a couple times as an example of an organisation who could benefit from BVLOS options... this may be true, but I suspect it will also enable them to establish official FRZs around all railways - much like their imaginary "within 50 meters" rule they have at present only much more real.
Hey David! 100% understand where that thought would come from, and it is something I have raised. As far as the info so far, they would only be able to operate under NOTAM rather than a UAS Geographical Zone or temp restriction.
Will have more detail soon. But I do agree they would be itching to do so.
Funny you should mention NOTAMS, especially with regards the railway....Classed as a critical infrastructure, they will argue that they need to conduct surveys, using the bvlos oc, when things go wrong....that could be any time of the day or night. The only way they could mitigate the risk would be a permanent UAV FRZ covering all network rail infrastructure, and the secretary of state will grant and sign that as a permanent NOTAM....exactly the same as the port of Dover FRZ.
In the first 20 seconds... sod the hobbyist. Not expecting to be able to fly the same bvlos as professional industries. But the current vlos for gps style drones is a joke. And fpv....arguably safer than gps style drones in the respect they are far less of a risk to manned aircraft as they are almost always flown at low level in comparison... but again ridiculously inadequate rules for the 99% of fpv pilots who do want to fly responsibly and within the rules.
I think generally, the more main stream drones become.. the bigger the percentage of people who do want to fly responsibly. But the current rules are so restrictive and complicated .... people have no option to fly outside the rules to make use of the fantastic technology we have. The ones that fly irresponsibly are the ones that are going to flaunt all rules anyway. Not even sure where I'm going with this .... rant over ... lol
I got the thread of the rant and don't disagree with it overall. The regs feel like they are lagging behind the tech and the risk. Although I am hopeful this kind of advance will have knock on effects.
Yes like Amazon and Royal Mail one rule for them another for us
as you mentioned in this there are a lot of "illegal" flight that happen in the uk especially because of vlos (solo fpv freestyle) but nothing actually ever happen?? if people are in empty big open parks early morning that is taking precaution i dont understand why the rules are so anal !
I am not sure that the hope that more freedoms will trickle down to the bottom (hobbyists) is actually born out by experience over the years. Yes, there have been ups and downs, gains snd losses, but the overall trend is towards more restriction, of which the proposals out for consultation over Christmas were a good example. I wait to see what those rules will actually be.
Hi Sean
Not to condone breaking flying rules. I feel there will be many drone flyers loosing site of their drone even when it within vlos. It’s so easy with change in sky or bright sunshine. However with the fantastic technology of our drones does it really make such a difference when with sub 250 g drones flying at a less than 120 m ceiling height. Is it really unsafe.
I will always keep my flying within the law but would like views from other drone flyers.
As always have fun with this great hobby but stay safe .
I have purchased a mavic 3 pro - what do I need to be able to fly it ? I know I have to register it, but what licences do I need ?
Nothing else if flying in A3 or using Article 16. If you would like to fly in congested areas, you need to take an A2 CofC course.
What’s A3 mate ?
So if I register it, I can basically fly it in safe areas ? What if I wanted to do surveying pics for a friends business, on private sites.
Really appreciate the information too pal!
This video explains the rules for heavier drones like your in 8 minutes. The only extra thing you need for commercial work is insurance, (I recommend coverdrone, used them for years). ua-cam.com/video/WaqJrxVMepo/v-deo.htmlsi=zOW9VPRUG0V7lgmn
I guess this would help me when survaying large construction sites ?
It could be useful for that use case. Although I am not sure it will be cost effective unless the construction is over a prolonged period. AAEs will be within OSCs and the building might be finished before the permission comes in? 😂
@Geeksvana Do you or does Graham know how long in general does it take to get an OSC approval for flying BVLOS - say to fly over a 2 mile square site ?
@adrianappleyard4005 we have a Q&A live tomorrow night and I will put this to Graham and the special guest. Both of whom will know more than me!
@Geeksvana If I am not at an arranged night flight event in Leeds City Centre supporting the Yorkshire Drone Flyers, I will be on the channel.
The Police are always flying there drones especially in my area BVLS 🤔
Who can enforce, enforcement officers.....
I enjoy flying whether for pleasure or working where I can see it... perhaps I'm just odd (no comments req🤪)
I am staying quiet in the corner 😜🤪
This is to free up airspace for big companies. This is not directed at the hobbyist!
Just the next step to take hobbyists out of the sky to open up flight paths for commercial delivery’s.
Somebody is going to have to explain this to average PC Plod
When BVLOS is rolled out commercially, there is not a hope in hell that it will be given to the likes of me. For me this is the begining of control of flights for the hobbyist. Next will be, "sorry you cant fly here, ASDA are delivering". Watch this space!
LOS should be scrapped for sub 250g drones. These things are so small and light that even in the event of a mid air collision, the only thing that would suffer is the drone and at below 120m the chances of a drone being ingested by a turbofan engine are zero as no turbofan engine would ever be flying that low unless around an airfield.
Hobby that should be fun, becoming no fun anymore with rules toughened up every year..... Just like our freedom during Covid.......
Oh joy, yet another break in restrictions for Commercial operators, meathwhile hobbiests willl get 5 more restrictions to allow for this to happen, maybe this is why we're getting RID (that will not make the skies safer or stop bad operators). Meanwhile a plane STILL doesn't need remote ID/ADS-B.
Sadly, I think RID is just another level on top of all this. The RID system proposed only has enforcement benefits and would not assist in making the drones visible to other aircraft.
All this bs for drones that weigh less than a bird under 120m height. Probably can't even fly an effin kite anymore.
What will happen is they'll introduce paid for licencing which will give payees precedence at hobbyists loss of freedom.
Call me a cynic then ask me why I am if you've got a day or two to listen!
Sorry, but to me, it all stinks of the man kowtowing to financial pressure from larger commercial supporters. Without this they could not do Drone delivery et cetera.
Hey Mark! I think there is a lot of that going on but this particular advancement won't help delivery drones. I think the lobbying is even further up the chain for that at the moment 😬.
the hobby is dead at this point to many frequent rule changes constantly moving the goal posts in general for it to be FUN anymore to busy thinking about the Rules rather enjoying flying my drone