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The Ur Dragon V3 - High Power Deck Tech and Guide - EDH/Commander
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2023
- Hello Everyone and Welcome back! Its finally here! This video will showcase my newest incarnation of my ever popular Ur Dragon Deck! This deck features some of the newest dragons released over the past year, some very strong and powerful new spells, some great budget options and even some spicy card choices. Although the deck at some point went through some major overhaul, ultimately I have settled on a similar vision as before. As mentioned, I did test out a dedicated Treasure Themed deck as well as a deck that strictly focused more on large splashy creatures. Those builds were explosive but often the results weren't consistent and hard to recover when interrupted. I chose to scrap those in favor of this as not only do I think this list is better and overall stronger but it remains true to the strategy of curving out and taking advantage of The Ur Dragons Eminence ability to maximize our plays. This is a hardnose build that aims to start deploying value based Dragons starting on turn 3-4 such as Ojutai, Guardian Scalelord, and Rith to set the pace and accumulate value. In addition the deck is packed with tutors for optimization. From there we are able to establish an aggressive pace in the game. Once we have stabilized, the table starts to become oppressed as the effects from cards like Dragon Tempest, Kindred Discovery, Scourge of Valkas start to stack up. We can then look for one of our many haymakers such as Last March of the Ents to close the game! It has been a while so this is a long one. The list for Moxfield will have any additional real time changes I will make in the future. With that, enjoy the video and remember to like comment and subscribe. As always engagement and feedback is welcomed and encouraged.
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Huge fan of your Ur/Dragon deck, it’s been my first real high power deck and I absolutely love it!!
Hey thanks a lot I hope you enjoy! The Ur Dragon is a blast to play!
I highly recommend the new Galadriel's dismissal. You can protect your own board from removal, or clear an opponents board so they can't block you
Oh yeah! I’ll have to pick one up asap!
Awesome deck tech. Love just listening to selection of dragon choices. I powered down the deck a bit by making some cuts. Nothing against these cards or people who use these cards, I just prefer a bit more slow and battle-cruisery Commander. For anybody who is interested here's what I did and my reasonings below:
- Cuts: Deathrite Shaman, Dockside Extortionist, Jeweled Lotus, Mana Crypt, All 5 Tutors, Ancient Tomb, Gaea's Cradle, Urza's Saga, Hall of Heliods Generosity, Yavimaya Hollow.
+ Adds: Scaled Nurturer, Bloomtender, Farseek, Dragon's Hoard, Magda, Rivaz, Return of the Wildspeaker, Klauth Unrivaled Ancient, Utvara Hellkite, x1 of each basic land.
14 Card Cut total.
Deathrite is better in higher power tables. Feels underwhelming in lower power tables without many fetches to use in the graveyard. It just becomes kinda bad pseudo grave hate. Scaled Nurturer is a easy dork replacement. It even costs only G thanks to Ur Dragon. Dockside wins games too fast and can generate you ludicrous mana. A good 2-3 color mana dork like a Bloom Tender works wonders in this spot of getting mana without feeling oppressive.
Jeweled Lotus and Mana Crypt are both just insanely fast. Either everyone's using it at the pod or nobody should imo. Same applies to Sol Ring but, Sol Rings dirt cheap we all just run it. Lotus is not that bad, especially when you have a high CMC commander like Ur Dragon or Gishath. But when somebody with a low CMC commander gets it and sets up an insane board turn 1 it can feel really bad. Just adding a Farseek and a Dragon's Hoard is good replacement here. Fetching more lands for 2 mana and getting to choose between mana or card draw off Dragons Hoarde is nice.
Removing the 5 tutors is both a budget and deck building choice. Tutors win games and some have come down in price. But tutors usually result in you going for the same stuff over and over and can make games get repetitive very quickly, imo. In place of the 5 tutors I added 1 very thematic tutor: Magda. She can search out any dragon (or artifact) we want. Since the deck can get overboard with generating treasures, she feels like an excellent treasure payoff. Running something like a Magda also lets you be a bit more creative with your dragon selection. Like running a Thrakkus/Swashbuckler for when you wanna close out games. Or grabbing one of our dragons that generates tokens. If you have an insane surplus of treasures you can even go for like a Terror of the Peaks or something and just burn people to death by comboing out all your dragons. She's very powerful, but we also don't have a way to tutor her out to instantly win the game. And none of the cEDH artifact infinite mana combos either so. Her power is somewhat reigned in by those factors in this deck.
Aside from Magda, for the other 4 slots I added in 2 extra big dragons (Klauth gets us more mana to play with, Utvara gets us more bodies to play with), Rivaz is a dork and lets us recur our dragons in the graveyard. Doubles as ramp and reanimator, great card. And then Return of the Wildspeaker can draw us a lot of cards or be used to close out the game by pumping creatures as a combat trick. A Rishkars could go well here too. But Last March of the Ents kinda does something similar so I wanted to diversify a little bit. If you don't like Klauth or Utvara you could cut them for a different dragon or more card draw. Honorable mentions here are Thrakkus for big pump, Balefire Dragon for one-sided board wipes, and Cavernhoard Dragon for a big beater that gets cost reducted and gives us lots of treasures.
Ancient Tomb/Gaea's/Urza's are all pretty up there in price and big haymaker lands. Ancient Tomb is a Mana Crypt on a land, Gaea's needs no introduction, and Urza's is cracked when running the fast mana. Since we cut Lotus/Crypt Urza's is a dead card in the deck. Gaea's is just too expensive. And Ancient Tomb is Mana Crypt on a land with a steep price point. I chose to cut two of the utility lands as well (Yavimaya and Heliods) so that I could cut 5 lands total and just slot in 5 basics. Deck is shocking itself a lot when you run a 5 mana base with all the fetches and shocks. Now we can fetch some lands without putting ourselves in the danger zone. There's also a lot of cards that people play which incidentally have "Opponent may search their library for a basic land" (Like Assassin's Trophy lol) and I want to be able to capitalize on those effects when I can.
There's obviously other staples and cards you could cut to make it even FURTHER BUDGET as far as some interaction goes. But ultimately dragons and 5C mana bases will be pricey. So this is the best compromise of saving money while also toning down power level. Other good targets to cut if you'd like are Cyclonic Rift, Mana Drain, Teferi's Protection, Great Henge, Rhystic Study, and Smothering Tithe.
Wow! Thank you! Myself and my audience can appreciate this post. This is a great comprehensive post to power things down a bit and save on the budget. This is a great tool for anyone looking into other options!
@@IDraken1221 Thank you! I consider it a starting point at least. And its definitely not the most budget you can make the list. Klauth, Utvara, and Bloomtender are all like in the 10-20 dollar range. But it beats like 50-70 dollar range per card.
Dragons, 5C Mana Base, and Budget unfortunately don't mix very well. But I love dragons. One of my favorite creature archetypes in MTG and a worthwhile investment.
A lot of these cards I even use outside of Ur Dragon and in more focused color identity commanders.
Miirym for clones, combo, and value. Ziatora for power doubling, flinging, and reanimating. And Klauth as a Big Mana style dragon with some X Spells, Extra Combat spells (Has to be cast), etc.
The Best UR Dragon deck tech video ever is about to break UA-cam
lol I need to bring you in as my hype man 😂😂😂
Hypothetically speaking of course. If you had all dual lands too would you just substitute all the pain lands for them or would you change up your land package more having them inserted? Just curious since I thought a heard a slight hint you’d consider it someday if the prices weren’t as uncertain
@@NF-nn9ij more or less. I’d def cut the crowd lands and maybe the triple and a utility. I’d probably end up keeping 3-4 shocks in
Finally getting a chance to sit down a watch through this video. Really glad you are continuing to keep us updated on how your deck evolves.
I appreciate your continued support thank you 🙏🙏🙏
I love your updates on the Ur-Dragon. As usual, individual cards (spells mainly) are subjective and meta dependent. That all said, you are great at putting together EDH decks. I enjoy the updates and will do a deeper dive into the list and compare to your older list and my edited list and see if I am missing cards. Keep it up my man
Glad you enjoy and thank you for the support! If you have some different card choice id love to see them!
Great additions to an already awesome deck, this right here is the absolute reference for everybody who wants to build Ur-Dragon as streamlined and efficient as possible. Another banger of a video my man! 🐉🔥
Thank you for sticking with me!
I have been waiting for this moment! Thank you!
Hopefully it lives up to the expectation! Thank you for the support.
@@IDraken1221 It has, brother. Thank you for not failing us.
@@framzelgranada9088 Appreciate you
Awesome in-depth deck tech! I enjoyed it a lot 😎
Thanks!🙏 It
I wrote down this whole list titled "BIS UR DRAGON" something to aspire to and slowly build. Your land base was most interesting to me, I started collecting all the triomes too but happy to see they aren't necessary. Really love and appreciate the detailed breakdown. Keep up the awesome work :P
Thanks a lot! I do like triomes, I have a few sets myself. I myself just am not as high on them as most I really lean into modal lands and untapped fixing. I appreciate you!
I’ve always loved dragons and finally going to build a full blown ur dragon deck. I appreciate the overview and detail in your video definitely going to build something close to this, if not the exact list lol. Great video.
Thanks a lot and good luck! Feel free to join the server on discord!
This deck is fire! That was a really good deck explanation and a cool flex (Amazing arts on your cards) You have a new follower, i hope i see more deck techs from you ;D
Wow! Thanks a lot!
Loved the video! Great info.
Thank you for the support!
I am both very excited for the return to Tarkir in 2025, but also dreading it, because I know there will be some tough decisions and cuts I will have to make to my Ur-Dragon deck. Great tech as always, looking forward to the next year.
Thanks! I’m also dreading on making cuts! There’s so many good Dragons already.
This video convinced me to pull the trigger on a few higher power singles I’ve been wanting to buy
Awesome! Feel free to join the Discord and post your list!
Oh man prob my favorite build Ive seen yet
Thanks a lot! Join the discord if you want to discuss things in detail!
Yo your last build I currently am running minus just a couple changes preference wise not necessarily saying better! Anyway thank you for the time you put into this and MAAAAD respect for your great deckbuilding skills. Fantastic job bro looking forward to seeing the changes made as I will adjust accordingly haha
Hey! Thanks a lot or the feedback, I really appreciate your support! Don’t worry about switching out some cards that’s the best part of commander.
Amazing deck tech! Im going to order a few of the cards you showed😅
Thank you!
Love this build and will rebuild it with minor changes to lower the power level as you mentioned :)
Awesome! There’s some good choices in the comments! Feel free to add me on Discord and join the server if you want to discuss with fellow subscribers in real time!
Been needing this to help me update and really overhaul my ur dragon deck
Glad I can help! Be sure to join the Discord to share!
@IDraken1221 TY it's going to take time to get some of the bigger cards
@@wayneparker1980 There’s always good budget options out there!
@@IDraken1221 ik I'm using the more budget friendly build been looking to upgrade
This video make me giddy for magic and making me want to play more commander. While these cards are pricey…still make me wanna get them
I’m glad I can help! Join the discord we are always sharing decks and there’s been some discussion on great budget options!
Excellent deck!
Thank you! I appreciate the support!
this deck is sicccck!! I would love to see it in action hopefully soon!
Hey! Thanks a lot! As we get to 1000 subs I’ll be doing Spell Table!
@@IDraken1221 sweet! I can’t wait to see it in action hopefully soon and to see any other beautiful upgrades!
I am also going to try and do some live games as well as recorded.
The crowd lands do really well in my deck! And I run the world tree as well
Yeah! I still try and fit more of these in depending on the build I’m using!
Really like how this deck looks. I’ve been playing on and off since 2016 so have missed a lot of cards. I remember having the Precon with The Ur Dragon and after returning I wish I hadn’t sold all of my 2017 Precons.
Lucky me though, I bought my first pack of Commander Masters yesterday and pulled my old buddy. Now I want to build this deck with him. I’ll be interested to see how this deck keeps on evolving.
Hey! Thanks a lot! I’m glad you are able to get your Ur dragon back lol
I was so excited to build this that I started today. I spotted a Rivaz of the Claw in my collection. Could he be worthy of a spot?
@@Wasabi_Tears yeah definitely! I really like Rivaz tbh.
Let’s go!
Thank you for the support!
Sick list, this is the first commander deck I'm building and though I don't have this sort of budget available yet I'll be building up slowly and get the cards eventually, barring Gaea's Cradle probably lol (Will probably be watching the rest of your vids over the week xD)
Hey thanks for watching all my videos! There’s plenty of great budget options out there. Join the Discord if you would like some feedback on budget choices. Don’t worry about Gaea’s Cradle it’s def not needed lol
@@IDraken1221 I watched the first version that you uploaded from a year ago and it was nice to see how it's evolved and all the rarity bumps :). Also checked out those last two buy guides you made and the budget mana base, which was quite helpful, as that's my main concern right now given that I have some idea, but not quite certain of how to work with this type of curve. Great content man :D
Hahahaha it’s has changed quite a bit! Thank you for the feedback, I’m glad you enjoy and find my video helpful!
I was building a commander decklist for ur-dragon last night and had filtered MTG cards by having dragon in their effect text when I found Decadent Dragon (I'm new to MTG too so really just wanted to see every dragon card), ordered it right away, glad I wasn't alone in my thinking. Some cards in here are too expensive for me as a newbie (mana crypt, jeweled lotus for example), but glad I seem to be on the same path
Hey thanks for watching! Great minds think alike! There’s plenty of good budget options. Feel free to add me on Discord and join the server to discuss!
@@IDraken1221yeah I might do that! Just got my box of LOTR and got the party tree as my box topper so that was nice :)
@@cp312awesome! Throw that in!
Anyone know where you can still find an original UR Dragon playmat like the one in this video?
It’s very hard. I checked on eBay last week and couldn’t find any besides a knock off without the command zone 🙁
Zurgor and Ojutai can trigger 3 times per combat, or more if you have battles, assuming you have 3 dragons that can hit 3 different opponents. I've had Sarkhan out before and been able to look at the top 18 cards of my library in 3 card sets hahaha. Such a powerful card
Oh yes I apologize if I wasn’t clear. Works similar to face breaker!
@@IDraken1221 right? One of my favorite abilities haha
I’m a Miirym player and I’ve cut a lot of the cost reducers myself. The only ones I consider anymore are sarkhan, soul aflame and goblin anarchomancer (reduces red and green spells by 1)
Yeah I agree! I love anarchomancer! Some of these cost reducers are just too vulnerable lol
@@IDraken1221 Every time I have played an urza/s incubator, its been blown up before i get to take advantage of it. Everytime
This was a really good video! Could you, by chance😅 Make a Tiamat deck to this similar caliber!? I truly think you're one of the best Dragon commander deck tech builders. I understand, though, if you're just not interested in building such a deck with her as your commander.
Thanks you! I could in the future! I have a few videos in the pipeline first. There’s a lot of similarities you can take from this deck and migrate it over which is nice! I can def try!
@IDraken1221 Dude, If you manage to actually get to a legit Tiamat deck tech 🫡!!! Oh man!!
Ya, I've managed to apply some of this video to my Tiamat deck. It just doesn't compare to your videos, though. Anyways, thanks again and no pressure if you end up not getting to it 🫱🏻🫲🏾
Have you considered playing Up The Beanstalk? It's great in my Ur-Dragon Deck!
I have! I bought a few copies not too long ago. Trying to find room to fit it in.
great video!! I was waiting for your ur dragon update 😍I love dragons and I've been following your guides for a long time. PS: opinion of bronehoard dracosaur? Thanks again!
Thanks you! 🙏🙏🙏 As for Bonehoard I’m def playing it once released lol
How about Tear Asunder over Anguished Unmaking?
This seems like a solid idea! I haven't tried this yet. Ordering a copy as we speak lol. Thank you for the insight~
where was the information about the change from tribal to typal? i want to understand why this is, ty
I heard through big name content creators but if I’m correct wotc published a video/article explaining the reasons why. I will quote the article from Aetherhub which reviewed it.
He gave this short reasoning behind the change for the classic term: "We've stopped using the word 'tribal' in R&D as numerous consultants have stressed that it carries negative connotations, so we now use 'typal' to mean creature type mattering mechanically."'
I'm sure you have answered this before but what is your opinion on Morophon the Boundless in this deck?
For me I think of Morophon in the ramp category. I already have a few dragons that are big and rampy. I like Morophon but I just don’t have room 🥴🥴🥴
Have you considered playing Shadow in the Warp? It may help cheap a lot the casting cost of the dragons and also pinging your oponents over time for only for 3 mana
I have I did like it but it came down to playing that or Sarkhan for me. There was a heavier creature build I was tinkering with that played it and it was awesome. I’d like to try and find some room in the build but it’s tough. Great card though!
Do have a question... what would your thoughts be on Molten Echoes? Too slow?
I have thought about it but it usually doesn’t make the cut due to space. In addition you really want to play this the same turn as a Dragon spell to get immediate value. So you’re looking atleast 8 mana to get it to go off with this. So, I would just say it is vulnerable and will cost
more mana than it’s worth to get going. Not a bad card choice overall just not my preference
Would you make a place for Roaming Throne in this deck?
Oh yeah currently trying to slot one in
I think Rivaz of the Claw is a must include and a pet card of mine is the Prismatic Bridge
I can understand that they are great cards!
@@IDraken1221 What you think about Majestic Genesis i think its the better card compared to March of the Ents in case both resolve. If there is a big risk of counter then i can see March of the Ents though.
@@billytheframe1355I really like it and I’m looking to put it back in along side Last March. I do lean a little more towards Last March in favorability. Majestic will cheat in a lot of mana worth of permanents but Last March lets me draw cards which means I can pocket instant/sorcery spells.
@@IDraken1221 I think the big deal about Genesis is that you go from a empty board to massive board presence because you always draw 10 even if you have no creature on the battlefield.
@@billytheframe1355 I get that when it resolves it’s a board in a can loo
anyone know why the link doesn’t work anymore?
Yeah! Deck is currently in the workshop. Testing some new stuff
What version of the ur dragon is that blue holo one? I can’t find it online but it’s so cool
It’s actually a metal proxy! You can buy here. Due to wizards closing down proxy shops you won’t be able to find this listed but you can request it still through PMs
www.etsy.com/shop/LegendArtifacts?ref=simple-shop-header-name&listing_id=1177573103
@@IDraken1221 thanks! I’ll check it out!
I think this is the first video I've watched about someone's Ur-Dragon deck that isn't just a terribly built deck with someone bragging about their expensive cards. I've seen people just put in the most outdated "bling" in their decks thinking they have this monster of a deck and then it's like chromatic lantern into Nicol Bolas or something. Ooof.
You have actually valid (or at leat understandable) reasons for your card choices and you seem to be one of the few people who realize that common and uncommon dragons from Baldur's Gate exist. (e.g. Scaled Nurturer, Lozhan etc.).
And just generally you mention such a high amount of really valid (more or less budget) alternatives. Such a great video. The only thing I'm just a tiny bit unhappy about is the amount of general "good stuff" in the deck (e.g. Smothering Tithe, Mana-Drain and friends). Like, I get it for ramp (and for counterspells and pinpoint removal) because there aren't many strong options besides Scaled Nurturer but even if I already have Goldspan Dragon in the deck I'd still play Ganax over Tithe any day in Ur-Dragon because where am I going to play these cards, if not in a Dragon deck? Ganax obviously makes less treasures than Tithe, but he's also a 3/4 flyer for 4 DRAGON that synnergizes with all the things that care about dragons. And it may be blasphemous, but for the same reason I'd play Iymrith, Desert Doom over Kindred Discovery. MOAR DRAGONS.
PS: Maybe consider "Raise the Palisade" over cyclonic rift? Rift is still better because it bounces all non-lands but Raise the Pallisade only costs 5. -> you can make sure your card drawing dragons connect.
Hey! That’s for your engagement and feedback on things! I know sometimes 5 color can become good stuff.dek but this is my only list where I’m prioritizing all power. I have variants I play with where o choose different cards and styles. I am using Raise the Palisade in my sliver deck. Rift is too strong to cut in my opinion but I do believe it can be better than Cruz of Fate? 🤔🤔🤔
Say you have scion the ur dragon out, can you search for ancient brass dragon and optionally pull him back out same turn if you get lucky dice rolls?
Yes you could do that. There’s a lot of fun tricks you can do with Scion.
Yup! You can choose how you stack the triggers!
How do you get your sleeves so clean ? Mine gets really scratchy..
Is it dragon shield ?
These are actually the sleeves that came in the Beadle and Grimms Secret Lair! Very nice sleeves tbh. I usually use Dragon Shields though.
Is there a video where I can see you play this deck? Also try adding scalelord rekoner to protect your stuff
I don’t have any gameplay but I want to play some Spelltable with subs soon! As for Reckoner, I’ve gotten a few suggestions on it but was never super impressed, but with it being suggested so much I will have to try it again soon!
Love this deck tech. But correct me if I'm wrong, but atarka says whenever a dragon attacks, it gains double strike. It would would work with the ur dragon's trigger
It would not unfortunately. The attack it already declared after Atarka is put into play
I think he was saying if Arataka is already in play, then the doublestrike would trigger twice.
Last March over Majestic Genesis strictly for the uncounterable?
That’s some of it. For me it’s just preference. I like the ability to draw into cast able spells as well as the creatures. This way I can protect my board of if I don’t win or draw into a spell to help
The URL of "The Ur Dragon Moxfield Deck List" isnt available... just in some days i am going to buy some dragons and lands (i am returning again xD) i will apreciate a lot if u can update again to see it better, becuase now i have like 115 cards to theory build and not sure what can i do. THanks
Yeah I’m currently working on an updated list so the link is currently disabled
Love the build. @IDraken 1221 have you considered or tried using urza's incubator? Does it synergize? Salutes
Thanks for the feedback! As for Incubator, depending on the build the deck plays between 25-29 Dragons. Although the discount is BIG it only discounts 30% of the deck, unless you double spell Dragons which changes the math. Plus the Ur Dragons discount is usually enough. I wouldn’t fault you for playing it though! Just need some more dragons and to change up the ramp package.
I kicked mine out after having it in hand too often when something able to produce color or with cheaper mana cost would have been needed. Fellwar Stone/Arcane Signet is better most of the time because it comes down quicker, discounts every card in the deck once a turn and fixes color. The 2 mana discount isn´t really that great because the dragons are already discounted and colorless mana is easy to produce with cards like sol ring, mana crypt and maybe mana vault if you choose to play it. Most of the times, not more than one dragon hits the board per turn and that is just not enough value for a 3 mana rock like Urzas Incubator. I think it reads nice but in actual game play it leaves much to be desired.
@@patrick6190 yeah I def agree!
Only card not in here that is a head scratcher is Beledros Witherbloom. Card is absolutely insane imo
I can see why you would ask. I’ve played him in the past and was never unhappy with it. For me when looking at larger Dragons that produce mana, there’s only room for so many on the curve. So it just came down to choice and I chose to have the big Treasure makers like Cooper and Gnawbone. If you feel you can find room I’d def play it! I’m trying to see if I can find room still. There’s just so many good Dragons now lol
What are your thoughts on Bonders’ Enclave?
It’s a solid utility land especially if you need some extra draw. You can cut any of the utility lands that I play for it
Dude you should record some gameplay I would love to see the deck in action
I really want to as the channel grows! First now at 1000 subs I’m going to be doing spell table games over discord!
Why not use the world tree as a lamd for early mana fixing?
You can! It’s a fine land to play. The mana base here doesn’t have room for many tapped lands, the only one in here is the triome. In a near perfect mana base there’s really not a need to have any fixing like that even if it is on a land. That said, it’s still a solid choice especially for a mana base that’s missing lands or if you don’t mind more tapped lands just a preference though.
@@IDraken1221 I would use tarnished citadel instead of the world tree if there is a need for mana fixing. Tarnished Citadel is most of the time just a colorless land except for the situations you realy need it. As you said, a perfect mana base needs no fixing in the later turns and in the rare cases where you need it in the early turns, tarnished citadel shines. For my Ur-Dragon Deck it solved the issue of possible early game colorscrew without needing to play any taplands. Mulligans are also much better with tarnished citadel. And regarding the three damage: most of the time, the land only needs to be tapped for color once a game but exactly the moment it´s critical to hit a certain color. It sets up draw engines or something like Three Visits, maybe a tutor and after that the color issues are usually immediately solved.
@@patrick6190 I like this addition and your thoughts behind it! I’ll have to buy one lol
what would u say this decks power level is 1-10?
I’m not a huge fan of the number scale but for the best explanation I’ll provide a scale for reference. 1o being cEDH and 9 bring fringe cEDH this is most likely an 8.
Great Video, new Ur Dragon'er here... Thoughts on Rivaz?
Hey thanks! I do like Rivaz as well as some other ramp cards but with the high budget it’s hard for me to find room. If you do not have any of the Ramp cards or do not like some of them, Rivaz can easily slot in here.
Have you tried to add the champions of kamigawa ? Those dragons are still pretty good instead of dealing damage to a player they have to be on the graveyard in order to have effect
In the past I tried a few. The issues on getting them to die reliably is the challenge!
@@IDraken1221 I think they're decent rattlesnake cards. But there's also just so many dragons that you can build like ten vastly different Dragon decks with them and have a very different focus each time.
Like, you could absolutely play a "treasure's matter" dragon-deck, which also runs token doublers to double treasures as well as any dradon tokens you create. Then there's the sacrifice theme, where you're balancing fewer dragons with a couple of dragons that have devour or bargain-effects. Then you can also just play generic good stuff, which a lot of people seem to be playing (e.g. they put cards like Cyclonic Rift, Deflecting Swat etc.) which I kind of like the least because there's a thousands of cards out there and people just slap Rhystic Study into their Ur-Dragon deck and call it a day and it's just super lazy deck-building to me. And of course there's combo -> mostly Scion of the Ur-Dragon and a bunch of tutors.
So I think context is super important. Like just because a Dragon is "really good" doesn't mean it goes into every single Dragon deck.
I agree the context and type of strategy helps. One of the great things about Dragons is the endless possibilities! You make some great points! I think it all boils down to where you want to go as a player. In a 5 color deck going for power it’s easy to fall into generically good cards, that’s kind of the nature of it. With that said there’s plenty of other good options and choices that would work just as good or better!
The Ur-Dragon (understandably) paints a massive target on you from the start of the game. Do you have any advice on handling that?
I tried a deck with him out the other day and my most notable finding was that Shock/Fetch Lands' LP payments became a much more significant downside than usual because of being the archnemesis out the gate. I also found that cards like Morophon or Firkraag performed very poorly because they need to stay on the field for a long time to do anything, leaving them open to removal.
So I suspect that powerful ETB effects, as well as attack triggers paired with Haste enablers like you've included will perform better. I'll be cribbing heavily from this decklist to brew another try.
I found the solution to this in my play group was to make my deck a bit faster so they exhaust all their removal on my early permanents. With OP's permission I'll post my list so you can have some ideas, but basically my strategy is to flood the board so fast and so often my opponents cant really handle it. In my play group, when I play my Ur Dragon deck its referred to as 'my free win for the day'.
@@chearle91 That's in line with what I was thinking too. One thing talked about during the game was "Always hit the Dragon player before they get rolling", and the deck I had been playing was focussed around getting the biggest Dragons possible out.
Thinking on it after that chance to test, I reckon that the best way to capitalise on the Big UD isn't for him to make the really-expensive dudes into slightly-less-expensive dudes, but to bring everything down into 'reasonably-priced dudes' territory.
In hindsight, it's the exact same theory I have behind my Angel Tribal deck; Giada being a mana dork means the expensive Angels are effectively 1 cheaper, but that doesn't make it a good idea to run 99 Avacyns.
I agree with what the other have said. It does bail down to control what you can. Make you deck as fast and consistent as possible. Make sure you have you crucial spells protected or resolve. Then the last would be to ensure you’re deck has some resilience and recovery plays
How often do you actually summon the Ur Dragon ? (New round here amazing video)
Not too often, maybe once every few games with something like Hellkite courser or If you’re in a safe situation to cast with Lotus or an abundance of treasures
Have you ever considered scalelord Recknor in the deck before?
I have! Past builds made the double white hard to case. Nowadays double white is pretty easy. I’ve been tinkering with it. It’s a good way to deter removal but it does give a choice
I have been using it lately cauee my friend made a super friends deck and it’s super easy to get rid of planes walkers
i have a very similar deck and was wondering what you think of Mirari's Wake and Beldros Witherbloom. I just added both to my deck.
I think there is a good argument to play Beledros if you want another big mana card. As for Mirari’s Wake it’s a bit slower and you have to wait an entire turn to get your mana back.
Hey man thanks for the video. Do you have any advice on how to get the ur dragon deck to be able to contend with these crazy ass planeswalker decks? It’s like I’m watching them play the game and I’m just losing life as they play lol
Yeah! Add me on Discord and we can talk about it in detail.
@@IDraken1221 sounds good man I feel like my deck just needs a couple cards being switched out or more mana ramp or something. Just feels like slow gameplay :/
@@IDraken1221also what’s your discord and I’ll add you 👍
@@zeketheweak5049 can def help with that!
@@IDraken1221I sent a request on Discord 👍
Kindred discovery is a cool tribal card and good blue card draw lol?.?
Yes! lol
Any updates for yhe deck?
Not a ton of changes over the last few months. My playgroup has been on pause since one of them had a kid. We should be playing again regularly soon! Keep an eye of the Moxfield link for updates!
What is the earliest turn you can cast your the Ur dragon? And what is your average casting tine of him in this build? Nice vid by the way.
Ehh it’s tough to say. The deck isn’t designed to cast him a ton. Sometime on turn 5/6 if it’s safe to resolve but other times it’s more beneficial to cast later in the game with less resources for your opponent to have to remove/counter.
@@IDraken1221 Thank you! I'm still tuning my the Ur Dragon deck too and thanks for some insights. It's really nice to hear the channel owner replying by the way! 🤗 Happy building!
@@nathanielrobles3284yeah I’m usually much for active with posting but there’s been a lot going on in the past few months. I should be posting a video soon! Also add me on discord and join the server! I’d love to see your deck list!
@@IDraken1221 It's still nice that you can respond once in a while. That would be fun!
@@nathanielrobles3284I try to respond to everyone! One of the benefits of a small channel lol
I use the same sleeves for my Ur deck!!
They are great sleeves!!!!!
What sleeves are they ?
@@playfab62they are from the Beadle and Grimms Here Be Dragons Secret Lair. They were also selling them on their website separately for $25. You might still be able to snag them.
Are they matte finish? Similar to dragon shield feel?
@@alonzobustamante3150 yes! Very close to Dragon Shield Matte. Almost too close lol
So Question for you, is there a Reason why You don't run Heroic Intervention i thought that was a must have for the ur dragon deck?
It’s overall a solid pick. However being in 5 color means we have access to every protection spell. Cards like Teferi’s protection, Mana Drain, and Swan song can protect ourselves from anything even a Toxic Deluge or Cyclonic Rift. In short there just a lot of full proof options. With that said play whatever you like it’s still an amazing card!
@@IDraken1221ok cool. what are your thought on Morophon, the boundless? im trying to make my deck a bit more powerful and i wanna cut it but im have a hard time doing it
@@Throad88 honestly never was a fan of Morophon in any deck just too much mana and doesn’t make enough impact
@@IDraken1221 yeah i just Realized that and i ended up cutting it even tho it was kinda painful because he been in my deck since the Beginning
@@IDraken1221 if i would take out demonic tutor and imperial seal because of prices whats are some good replacements for them? would sarkhan's triumph or eladameri's call be a good replacement for one of them and idk about the other
I originally built my UR Dragon deck off of the design from a year ago. Yours is not bad, however it can be even stronger. I love your design and it’s the reason I believe mine is an absolute 10. I’d love to hear your thoughts.
Yeah add me on discord to share your list!
Sent
I would like to see the list too if you dont mind sharing
The jist of it all is running 31 lands (10 shocks, 10 fetches, urza saga, command tower, mana confluence, cavern of souls, bosiju who shelteres all, ancient tomband 5 basics) grim monolith,crypt, vault, mox diamond/opal and chrome mox. Ragavan!!!. Insert those along with dropping shaman for both hierarchs. Drop jeweled lotus for lotus petal. There are other things and tbh I’m hesitant to give out the secret because i don’t want to add to all the net decking everywhere but those will immediately make the deck more lethal. The dragons could also use some work but I can assure you once the deck is done it can run with ANYTHING out there.
@@untilthewheelsfalloff1751 it seems like you’ve opted for a cEDH level mana base given the low land count as well as cEDH level ramp. I can see the point but I’m trying to aim for overall high power without trying to be a cEDH level deck. In the same vein although Ur Dragon is strong, the card design itself doesn’t lean into something cEDH would want. Just my opinion though. On paper though it’s great card choices if you’re trying to break the cEDH ceiling. The list you provided is just fast mana and lands? I’m curious as to what some of the win cons are if you are playing cEDH and how fast you win as well as some of the lines of play.
What level is this ur dragon deck?
I really don’t like the number scale. I just label it as “high power”
If we need to apply a number, it's an 8
Guardian Scalelord says non-land permanent, but you keep saying it brings back fetch lands
Yeah I had misread that card here but it was pretty new at the time! Good catch!
Awesome video! As a returning player after years away, and completely new to commander, this was a great video to showcase some incredible higher power cards! As it stands, what's the ballpark cost for this high-power deck?
Hey! Thanks a lot. Right now as it stands with the current rarity and printing of the cards the total is around $2700. It can be cheaper if you choose base rarities of all the cards.
666 subs, I don't think you should get anymore! xd
😂😂😂 I’m at 669 now
x5 5/5 Dragons = 15 Treasure Tokens, lolol
Math!
Booo tell it's Dragon Tribe!
lol I don’t want the smoke from anyone so I try to keep it politically correct 😂😂😂
Good Deck. Those profile cards from Masters set are so cringe.
Thanks! Most of them def are cringe but Ur Dragons isn’t that bad lol
38:18 4* damage to anything if you only reveal 2 dragons haha. I think you misspoke and said 6 here.
lol yes I def misspoke I was an hour into recording and I just merged both sides together. 😂😂😂 pinning!
@@IDraken1221 haha all good!
Interesting video to watch for sure but damn the way you grabbed some of your cards had me cringe. Like you literally bended them. Was having me so sad.
😂😂😂 I know it’s been a bad habit of mine for years. It’s my own version of the bend test to make sure my cards are real lol
god damn, the way you bend the fuck outta your cards... youre way too damn rough with 'em, christ
😂😂😂 cards are quite durable
tiamat is a better commander dawg
awesome deck though!
It be like that sometimes lol
Thank you! Appreciate the support!
that's a bit of a hot take. Maybe if you're playing combo. But why are you playing combo and then not have scion of the ur-dragon be your commander?
@@PaulSzkibik the scion is better but the search mechanic kills me 🤣🤣🤣
Lol you are running Gaeas Cradle on casual games? You shouldn’t be using it
High power EDH! Cards like Cradle, Coffers, Tomb, and more all allowed in our group! We also make sure to discuss when playing outside of your group. In addition our decks usually pack land or “any permanent” removal. In addition Cradle plays pretty fair here in relation to something like Elf Ball