BMW i4 M50 Range & Charging test v Tesla Model 3 Performance & Porsche Taycan 4S in cold weather!
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- Опубліковано 13 тра 2024
- The only real way to compare real world range, efficiency and charging is to test side-by-side in convoy on the same day at the same time!
And that's exactly what we do here! It's a cold day and that will affect both efficiency and charging speed but how will the new BMW i4 M50 compare to two potential rivals (and if not rivals, at least efficiency and charging kings!).
The Taycan is not the most efficient car but it can recharge at 270 kw and add 50% in 11 minutes which is incredible. But will it be affected by the cold weather today?
#ev #convoycomparison #bmwi4m50
The Tesla is efficiency king! Always very efficient but does that make up for what is sometimes slower charging speeds. It can preheat for charging to maximise its chances of taking a faster charge speed but at the detriment of efficiency.
Will the i4 be able to compete?
Plus along the way I can share some more of my thoughts on the i4 and hoe it compares to the Porsche and Tesla.
Have you ordered one? I actually HAVE! But will I keep that order...?
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You’re becoming the go to guy for EV information! Excellent video really enjoy your content
He's not becoming the go to guy...he is the go to guy!! Excellent reviews every time.
You can't be serious right? He's not charging all the cars to 100%. Can't really take that serious as a max range test. The 3D graphs don't add anything, except look flashy, but they're worse for readability. And the calculations don't match up either. Somehow the Model 3P gets 243 miles without preheat, but 218 with preheat, and somehow both numbers add up to 391km...
So the bmw has more hp than the Porsche
Knocked it out of the park with this real world video ! Answers ALL the questions I’d ask. Well done guys- nails it 👍
Thanks Richard, all your videos are good, but the comparison ones like this are the best, really helps people understand and get your head round the idea of the key information you need to be aware of to make an informed decision. 👍🏻
Very nice that you included the graphs and the numbers. Previous videos you only mentioned and that made it hard to follow
I look forward to all your EV reviews. You're my favorite channel for EV info even though I'm in the US.
Great review, thanks for taking the time to do this.
These charging charts are a really helpful way of comparing the charging performance. Thank you.
Great video again would also like to see the same video in warmer conditions 👍🏻
Very nicely done. Real world, cold weather conditions, and traffic conditions the same for all vehicles. Gives a worthwhile comparison to make choices with. Thanks for great content!
Great video, and very helpful using real conditions for testing. As you say all great cars, the charging times are really interesting. Thank you.
First non biased review! Great job. Really enjoyed your review
Thanks for another great video! I really appreciate these real world head to head comparisons. And your analysis of charge speed and range, etc quite useful. What i will say is that each car has various other attributes that you didnt have time to cover in this video. So i can see a person having good reason to favour one of the three for their own use. Glad there are these kinds of options for EV buyers.
Yes exactly, as I try to say they are all good, horses for courses etc.
This is just a comparison of some aspects
I have been wondering about the lack of reviews for this car. This comparison test was perfect. In my mind this is the comparison that should have been done by everybody back when the car launched.
Great review 🧐as always 👏🏼 very insightful
Your channel is impressive. I really do love your videos. Very informative, great content. Thanks (I just laugh a bit when you talk about cold weather hahaha), cheers from Canada.
Your channel is very good, and you explain things really well.👍
Very interesting video. Love all your content. Keep it coming.
You are bringing some fantastic content. If you are willing to keep at it your channel will keep getting bigger.
Great video as usual! Thanks!
Thanks for another update video
I am a petrol head - I own a 2019 F82 Competition Package & I am just not interested in electric just yet (know its coming), I clicked on your video becauseI saw you on CarWow! I am super impressed with your video Mate; very informative and unbiased - I appreciated the charging analysis and didn't think I cared! Well done and have secured another subscriber!
Great content, very useful and clear analysis. Thanks a lot!
Another excellent video Richard. All three are top cars. My geographical locations demands I have a AWD 4WD car - we had 50 cms of snow the last couple of days. I chose a Jag I-Pace - it even has a snow mode! Looking forward to the next video.
Your reviews are outstanding, as you have an excellent relaxed but informative presentation style. Definitely the best EV reviews on UA-cam. Thanks
I do try and watch. Mainly when I go to bed as he puts me to sleep.
Need somebody that knows cars to review them,
Great video. Thans for being very objective in your analysis.
Great real-world test!
Interesting comparison, clearly and concisely described. Your graphics for the stats are getting better and better too. Hard to better (could the lines on the chart echo the colours of the cars perhaps?)
Thank you for some more good comparisons some, watch this channel more and more.
Your data and methodology is awesome
Another great video many thanks
Great review! Could you tell which one has less road noise on the motorway? Hope you can run some dB tests in the future. Have a lovely day!
Great review and I'm looking forward to seeing more of these real world comparisons. How about a day in the life of a Rep! start with 100%, blast from 1 destination to another and cover 300 miles in a day. These are the people buying this level of car and it would be interesting to see the difference, you could also throw in a diesel for cost/co2 comparison :)
Yep absolutely. We do film quite a lot of just general videos when out and about. See 400 miles in a day in a Vauxhall corsa and 600 miles in a day in a Taycan videos for example
Great review !!
Class content. Thanks so much.
Great comparison👍👍
Top notch. Well done. The thinking person’s reviewer.
This is a superb video, with excellent operational and buying advice. Please please do something similar with the i4 40, which obviously doesn’t have the performance but is more efficient. I want to order one I think and would really value your advice.
In terms of production and presentation this is way up there with the best.
I believe these kind of tests are the best: when they are tested at the same time. So there is no difference because the weather or road conditions.
You are doing a great job mate.
Great video mate
Love your videos! Maybe you could make your graphs in regular 2D format, as the 3D format adds no info and makes them harder to actually read. 2D with colored lines is perfect!
Best lineup you can do!!! 👏🏻👏🏻
Best EV UA-camr. Great car comparison!
Great work, this was very informative and non-biased video and I really liked that you didn't make this as a "Is this a Tesla killer" or " Is this better than Tesla" analysis video. So many videos like that out there and I don't get it, why so many need to find a Tesla killer. Tesla is a great car and I don't think there is going to be a single car that will be a Tesla killer, but since every car brand in the world is releasing EVs these days Tesla will surely loose some potential customers to other brands but they will still be there. I was choosing between Polestar2, Tesla 3 LR and BMW i4M50 I finally choose the BMW since my wife and son thought the BMW was the best looking out of the three 😀 cheers
He didn't mention the optional wheel / tire / brake / spoiler package he has on the i4 m50 that reduces the estimated range by 43 miles (EPA). It may not be intentionally biased, but it's certainly misleading. The base i4 M50 tire package still has wider tires than the model 3P, but would have resulted in much closer range.
@@updlate4756 I think it is fair as both model 3 and the Taycan are having their performance trim and wheels as well. Well you can see the BMW, even having the performance wheel / tyres, still losing traction when accelerating hard, but not for Model 3 and Taycan. It would be even worse if the standard tyres are used on the BMW and just spoil the point for choosing the top performance model.
@@user-lp5ww5bt7w That's the only wheel/tire set that the model 3P comes with, and frankly, it isn't exactly up to snuff for track. The BMW's package is, but it destroys daily driving efficiency. Therein lies the biggest problem. For someone who wants a performance car with solid range AND handling, the base BMW tire and wheel set is the way to go.
The problem in this video is that the viewer is never told that the BMW has this option on and what it does to the vehicle's range. Hell, I didn't even know until I went to the i4 50's configurator.
High performance tires are slippery in colder temperatures due to the rubber they use. In warm temps, they're pliable and sticky. In winter, they harden to something similar to plastic and become slippery. So there's no surprise there's wheel spin. That's why you should never use summer tires in the winter. The standard tires have the option to select all seasons. There's only one performance tire option.
Did you not consider the model S? A much better looking car than the 3 and a much closer comparison to the BMW on price and features. Hatch back, adaptive suspension etc etc.
@@bluetoad2668I did consider it and love the car, but it's quite a lot more expensive (at least here in Sweden), and at the moment the Model S is a little bit out of my range. Thanks for the advice though.
Ok very imporntatn question. Please tell us what your office chair is. Love it, ive been looking for a chair with a headrest and that thing looks classy. thank you. haha. Great video by the way as always
love your show & spacex. We traveled to Boca Chica to the the starshing get built. & we got the S dual motor fsd last Christmas 🎄 😎 still have the cybertruck tri motor or 4 motor fsd on order, i got lots of solar & backup battery system to charge them both. love tsla stock
RSEV quickly becoming my new goto for EV video's , tesla bjorn who? good to see your channel grow, bringing this new great content with it.
Thank you!
always nice to hear that your Tesla Model 3 is doing well. My Tesla Model 3 SR has done 60.000 km with an average use of just 14.4 kWh /100km (max speed normally 110 km/h and often 103 km/hr because of local speedlimits).
Good video. Can you do a test using the M50 with 19 inch wheels against the Tesla 3 performance? Good to see how much extra range you get with the slightly smaller wheel size, BMW claim an extra 25% range?
Great video! But please don't use 3d charts, they just make the data much more difficult to read.
Nice test as normal😊
Would it be possible to get some insight on the Taycan wrap? It is great 💪🏽
Hi,
Very good video!!!
I liked a lot, that you also added the cost, even if charging at home is less expensive, as it gives a good idea of the cost for long travel.
Even so and as you pointed out, being that cost high, one does not need to do rapid charging for daily commutes, therefore the running costs of an EV will be lower than an ICE Car.
Nevertheless the above and for a next time, would it be possible to also give the data, comparing the actual energy spent on the trip, versus the actual energy charged (charging loses)?
I would say, that besides the efficiency of driving the car, charging loses for each different car, can affect the actual running costs.
I'm quite interested in such, as I see that in average, my EV (Mini Cooper SE) in winter (Norway), has been having an average charging loss slightly above 20% (that I don't know if it's high or low, as usually such data is not provided in these kind of independent tests). Just a curious fact around the charging loss, is that it looks that the slower one charges, the higher is the charging loss.
Thanks!!!
Some people are natural born presenters. You sir, are one of them 👍
Hope you soon get hands on the 2022 M3P with the LG M50 battery and 534PS motors from the MYP.
Good Tests. Bjorn Nyland approves.
Bjørn would have had all cars start with the same SOC.
Bjørn did the test!
2000km, colder.
With the Mach E, but the Porsche was there as a benchmark.
Model 3 SR+ Spanked it.
Very interesting information. I believe there was a little error in your adjusted range for the Tesla - the kms were the same even when the miles were adjusted.
Great review. Here in Australia the Taycan 4S is $206k and $124k for i4 M50 vs Model 3P $87k. Massive, massive price difference comparing these cars.
Really great comparison vid. I traded my 2018 M3 ZCP in December for a Model 3 Performance and, while the driving dynamics are different, it’s still a fantastic driving experience. Both great fun for a gearhead!
A gearhead it has no V8 or Gears and looks awful
David Lewis poor little fossil head stuck in the past. Sure thing grandpa it’s time for your meds
raremage I traded my 2016 M3 ZCP to a Taycan 4S in May last year. Couldn't be more happy. Its very close in driving excitement to my 2011 M3 E92 I had before the F80 but I would say the E92 still just edges it with its fantastic S65.
@@davidlewis4399 so it’s very unlikely to brake down, needs no maintenance and consumes way less energy, while being way more zippy.
@@hardywoodaway9912 & it looks really nice too!
How would you say that the road feel through steering wheel compares between them? I noticed you said the M3 steering was agile and responsive which I absolutely no doubt, but many criticize M3 for being "numb", i.e. you don't really connect with the way the road feels. Is that something you compared between these?
Excellent video im waiting for my i4 m50
👏🏼👍 which country are you? Any eta? My order in UK was pushed to June.
Im in uk i ordered end of sept . I checked on bmw genius they are saying order is factory processed and estimate production start mid may with delivery june 22
Good video. I would have liked to see the Mach E GTP included in this test
The Mach-E is more comparable to the model Y and iX3.
Just remembered
Bjørn tested a Taycan, Ford and Tesla on a 2 way Arctic circle run. The *SR+ Tesla* beat them both! (58 kWh pack?) 🤔
Superb vid.
Really interesting video
Please use metric sytem units as well. It´s difficult to undesrtand if it´s only in imperial. Thanks
Great comparison. Clear to see the Mod 3 ahead still in terms of efficiency and the charging network. Next up is how they stand up longer term but I don't suppose we can FFWD 10-15 years and compare again ?😁 For that reason, and a few others inc build and interior quality, my preference would be the i4 or if had 50k more to spend, the Taycan. I'm still not convinced by Tesla's reliability long term & longevity yet but this is just a hunch. As you said, all good cars and that Mod 3 has really good efficiency - Tesla definitely ahead in some key areas (+ the charging network). Weight is key!
This is a great comparison video thanks, and it makes me want a Tesla more.
Common and underwhelming, go with a premium brand and not a car that looks like a cheap Chinese import.
@@pauljoseph3292 Common and underwhelming in the sense of being more efficient and having a larger range dan both of the "premium" competitors?
8:14 have you tested the economy of model 3 in "chill" vs standard (or sport for AB or P versions)?
so there it is,tesla cost less to buy and also cost less to refuell
Wait for the German version(!)
Not the be all…
Great video, love those same-time-same-road-same-speed tests! Do you shuffle around during the drive to avoid drafting advantages? (Or are the highways so full that everybody is drafting all the time anyway?) As a road-cyclists I think I can tell you that the effective range of a draft is surprisingly looong.
Thanks. Yes we swap around anyway despite busy roads. We try and get shots of the different cars etc
@@RSEV Awesome!
Way awesomerer than that BMW unfortunately seems to be. At least it's obviously better and (here in Germany) not more expensive than the M440i GC which looks EXACTLY the same.
@@RSEV why not have the models s that compares to that Porsche this seem biased to the tesla
@13:00: if you go to a charger which was chosen in the sat nav before the BMW also has pre heating… did you do that?
Had to laugh at your comment regarding the lack of Gridserve on the BMW satnav…………. My Mini Electric that uses BMW’s system shows me all the fossil fuel forecourts that there’s no way I would be able to use to “fill her up” - shows charge places too but is well out of date as my nearest charge hub used to be 4 chargers and it’s shown as that on the BMW map but for almost a year it’s been a Charging Hub with some 44 chargers at it, but BMW’s map is totally unaware of that. My car was built on 2nd Nov 2021 so it’s not like it’s a 5 year old i3……..
What have you got to swap for a leaf 40 Tekna ?
Question from California I just retired and buying my first Tesla. Which one should I buy model y long range or model 3 performance ?
Evening mate 👍
Fantastic review. Thanks. For the money the BMW isn’t bad, it would want to be-I have on ordered 😳
Tesla Model 3 performance in UK is £60,000. Is that with VAT? Great comparison video!
Yes incl vat
Great video. I did some sums based on the range figures on the BMW website, if you'd had 19" wheels rather than the 20's on the test car, you would have got another 30 odd miles range. However (again based on the numbers on the BMW website) 18" wheels would only give 1 mile better range than the 19's ! But who's going to put 18" wheels on that car anyway ! ;-)
Good to have choices now - which suites better then Tesla in the EV world. Great real world review.
HI Richard, Tesla Bjorn is reporting this new snow mode and in it he explains how the new traction and stability control changes the characteristics. I'm wondering if this invalidates all previous tests and comparisons. Anyway, in benign conditions and temps above zero C the traction control wouldn't engaged and the Model 3 is essentially RWD only. An apples comparison would then be with the Taycan in Range Mode where it reportedly uses FWD only or maybe with the Taycan RWD. The BMW has two PM motors and permanent AWD so wouldn't be a fair comparison. To ensure the Model 3 isn't disadvantaged, do not set the destination charger in the nav system to ensure pre-conditioning is not turned on. This would be a fair comparison.
Easily the best EV reviews on UA-cam. The real world comparisons cannot be beaten. I am disappointed in the BMWs efficiency and charge speeds vs the others, especially as I have an iX on order. Other owners of BMW EVs getting similar Wh/mi as this video. I really hope (but doubt) a software update will improve things.
I have an M3P and love the silence. I can't understand why you might want the noise. In the good old days the noise helped you change gears. Now you don't need to. I'd rather the music, or silence. If you want to hear noise, play V10 F1 sounds on the stereo!
The bmw does have preheating as well why didnt you use it?
I test drove an i4 last week, edrive40 the acceleration using petal was much more responsive compared to a normal 330 coupe
There's an error in the chart at 14:00. For the M3P incl. pre-heating the 218 miles has not been converted to 351km, it's been copy/pasted to 391km.
Re run the whole test. It's flawed.
BMW are doing OTA updates?
I definitely don't want augmented sound. My Tesla certainly isn't silent (road noise), but i like that it is "honest" with respect to the motor noise.
You can turn it off.
@@updlate4756
To my mind, it smacks of insecurity from the manufacturer and that they perceive
the driver "needs" it....?
Should have spent the money on the onboard charger?
Why those graphs always in 3D and why you moving with it?
Does anybody know what is the range of the M50 (as advertised by BMW) with 20", 19" and 18"?
Sorry for off topic but Im interested in the chair you got there :D what is it called and where could I buy it? Cheers
Office chair? Ikea
@@RSEV Oh. Thanks haha
the only way to compare EV's. Same time, place. Well done🏆
outstanding info top to bottom..thanks!! liked and subbed
I love to see tests like this Richard, and you did a great job. Just a few things I would like you to address though. First of, why didn't you use preheating of the battery in the Taycan? Probably the reason why it didn't get into the high charge rates. I've done several charge sessions in temperatures far colder, and still achieved great charge rates. So it's absolutely possible, even when it's very cold outside. And that narrows that gap on long journeys vs. the Model 3. You need to stop earlier, but you charge quite a bit faster, and should make up the time lost on charging, and get there quicker. That's of course only viable if you need at least one charge stop on route to your destination.
And the second bit was the bit about the acceleration differences. Now, the Taycan behaves very differently depending on the mode your in. You do of course know this, but the viewers might not. In Normal, the car will use second gear even from start, but if you do floor it, it will shift down and go. That will feel like a big delay, if you're used to the Tesla. However, if you're in SportPlus, that's not the case. It will use the first gear when you're driving slower, and second once you get up to speed. And it will not downshift when you floor it. At least that's how my Taycan turbo behaves. But I should think the 4S behaves similarly. And for that very reason I've setup my Individual program to function like a Normal mode, but with the Sport parameters for the drivetrain. So nice soft suspension, normal ride hight, regen on, electronic sports sound on and nice sporty throttle respons. I could base it of off the SportPlus program, but that has some disadvantages that will burn more energy. The cooling flaps in the front, will be open at all times while in SportPlus, and that might be nice for the battery, while you track the car and push it hard, but it will not be nice for the consumption to get less optimal airflow. And the wing will pop up when you get over 95km/h. Which looks cool, and helps with high speed cornering, but for longer journeys, it's not what you want.
Oh, and I agree with you on the sound bit of the i4. I've not test driven the car yet, so I might react differently when I do, but I don't like the fact that the sound has a sound signature of something accelerating slowly. It's like an engine reving slowly. It just is a total mismatch with the speed. It sounds like you're doing 0-20mph in 10 seconds.
You could flip that round - there wasn't the need to manually tell the car to preheat the battery in the Tesla as it knew a SuperCharger was part of the journey so sorted itself out automatically.
@@robinhunter4501 The Taycan does that as well. However if Richard decided to stop at another charge station, and not tell the car, it couldn't know. So you must either let the car decide where to stop, or add your own charge stops if you want to swap the ones the car picks for your own. It's actually quite identical to that of the Tesla. Sometimes you don't want to stop where the car wants, and add where ever you want to go instead. Drawback has been for the longest of times, you then had to plan your route one stop at a time. But I think there's been some updates adding the function to add stops to your trip.
But my point is both cars does that part identical. So it's odd to say that the Taycan didn't preheat, without mentioning why. Since it do preheat if you use it correctly. And thus, it would have charged quite a bit faster. Mind you the Model 3 did preheat, and still didn't charge optimal.
Oh come on while you're already at it there should have been a drag race like your buddy Matt! lol
not a fan of those 3D graphs, hard to read while moving, especially with that added depth. would definitely recommend to stick with regular 2D lines instead. insightful video nonetheless, thanks!
For average families, Tesla has the best value for money,…..no question about it. Thanks for the video,…..very well done and highly informative.
Any chance of a comparison of the autopilot on these cars? One of the biggest appeals of the Tesla was having it doing the donkey work on boring motorways. Are the others as good? Better?
I cut out a segment about that because of fears video too long…
Bmw system is actually very good to be fair. Equals the Tesla with the upgrade enhanced AP.
My Porsche is basic and doesn’t have that stuff 😂💁♂️
It just seems to me we throw all of the criteria we used to have for comparing cars out of the window when assessing EVs. I know people are concerned about range, charging speeds and efficiency but at some point, we'll need to get away from that and talk about them as cars and how they feel. There's some of that here but still a lot of numbers which don't tell the whole story.
What are customers considering the Porsche Taycan and BMW i4 looking for in these vehicles? Is it all-out efficiency or something else? And what are they cross shopping? I'm inclined to believe that if it is a Tesla, it's the S, not the 3. Maybe with the i4 the 3 might be considered, but probably not the 3 and Taycan.
Realy should do a test with smaller tires on the BMW, thos 285 in the back and 255 in the front, that even need fender flares in the Back are not realy fair to compare to a Model 3 with 235 tires...
The BMW i4 (M50) also has the ability to pre-heat (or cool) the battery so that you can reach thr highest possible charging speeds - to use it plan the charging stops in the car's navigation. My experience shows that it will allow for much faster charging speeds and the cost of range is limited.
Would you recommend the rear wheel steering on the Taycan?
I’ve not driven one without to be fair so cannot comment. I think wouldn’t make much difference