Convoy real range and efficiency test! Hyundai Ioniq 6 v Tesla 3 Model 3 Long Range v BMW i4 40e
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2023
- Hyundai IONIQ 6 v Tesla Model 3 Long Range v BMW i4 40e real-range and efficiency convoy comparison.
This is the New Hyundai Ioniq 6 up against the mighty Tesla Model 3 and the BMW i4 40e.
Each one of these promises long range and super efficiency. The Hyundai especially with its distinctive aerodynamic design and very low drag coefficient should prove super slippery and super efficient.
A convoy comparison is the best way to compare cars exactly because they are being driven under the same conditions on the same roads at the same time at the same speed. Drive these at separate times and the results are hard to really compare.
So here we are, which do you think will be the least and worst efficient EV and what do you think the real range will be?
3 very good electric cars but which would you choose?
I’ll also give you my first impressions on the Ioniq 6 and let you know what I like and don’t like. In my mind it’s May be smooth and quiet but it has a major flaw that I find it hard to see past.
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Really appreciate the amount of work that goes into these videos. The editing is always top notch.
Much appreciated!❤
Totally - I've been struggling to find time to create my first YT video.
The RWD 18" wheels variant of the I6 is supposed to be the "efficient" version. The other variants with AWD and larger wheels are not very efficient.
Another brilliant review & video. Keep up the great work!
Great back-to-back, real-world comparison, as always, RIchard - you and the Team really do go 'the extra mile' to make these test as everyday-life as possible, which is brilliant for any potential buyers.
Thank you 🙂
🤗 thank you
Hi Richard. A great video & amusing too. Thanks for collecting my Taycan yesterday. Cheers, Simon
I love the way you review. After driving electric for a while, this is the way you think. Far too many reviews on other channels review EVs from an ICE-centric perspective. I get it, most EV buyers are coming from ICE cars, but a couple of months' experience with an EV and you focus on different things. Well done!
As always, great and very useful comparison!
No one does these tests like you. Keep it up.
Great vid.
What radios do you use between cars? Are they good ?
Thanks
Andrew here, owner of the Ioniq 6. Great video. Thanks again for letting me part of it. It was a long day but lots of fun!
Thank you for being part of it Andrew! 🤝
And thank for you 'loaning' Richard your brand new car... you're a brave man...!! 🤣
Excellent real word views and data. Thanks to all.
Loves these comparisons
I have a I4 edrive 40 with standard wheels. My consumption since factory is 4.16 miles/kWh Range is 335 on average. On longer trips a lot more. You should compare cars with standard tyres and efficiency should be measured when charging up on same charger on all cars. Here also preheating is included.
If someone can arrange all cars to be on same wheels and tyres, let me know where and when and I’ll be there to re-film it.
Seriously, pls do try. With a days notice.
It was the best I could get. I was offered by the very kind owner use of his brand new Ioniq 6 and rather than just film it on its own I managed to grab a couple other cars. Also thanks to very kind owners. People will always criticise over something but we did what we could with the opportunity and time that we had.
I’m sure there will be another Ioniq 6 or bmw i4 on another day with smaller wheels to test…
The one thing with the Hyundai is you can use Airplay or Android and the experience I have with my E Niro built in Nav is okay, but far easier on my Apple CarPlay. Again, a great show of how EV's compare and behave. Love these videos to show what can be done. Amazed how many FastNed chargers are there and great to see that again 20 mins adds 130 miles of range, ready for the next coffee break!
It may be worth looking at these tests as how much battery was used also taking into account the size of the battery pack. As you say smaller battery using less percentage must mean higher miles per kWh.
you can't precondition the battery if you use airplay or android auto though.
In my i4 M Sport on 19 inch tyres on that M4 journey, return, I can get 3.9 miles per kwh but the journey westbound only is usually less. Your test is representative. Navigation is relatively easy for me on the i4 and it does the pre-conditioning and notifies me.
Great comparison video
Really good with the km stats. Thanks from from Denmark 🇩🇰
+1 from Norway
love those real range tests
A very interesting video and particularly helpful for me as all 3 cars are on my shortlist to replace the Hyundai Kona 64kW I have on lease at the moment later in the year, so thank you! I'm also going to be checking out the BYD Seal when it launches in the UK later this year as it looks promising.
I think the Tesla Model 3 is the standout performer. It's not just the efficiency (of the older battery technology) but the value for money when compared to the other two cars. When you factor in the Supercharger network advantage the economic argument gets even stronger. It's not hard to see why so many people go for it, even if the current design now looks a bit dated. I'll be very interested to see what is done for the much rumoured facelift Model 3.
The cost of ownership for a Model 3 makes it a no brainer.
Great efficiency metrics.
Great Work: You could try to calculate the 'relative efficiency' of the ionic by how many kWh they recharged (assuming linear percentage reporting)
Awesome test! Would be brilliant to see a Polestar 2 2024 on this 3-car tests of yours.
@RSEV did you see ‘technology connections’ video on brake lights not working on the ioniq 5 when using regen? Can you test this in the UK on the Kias and Hyundais?
Great video chaps 👍⚡️🔋
The 19" wheels on the BMW have a 10% effect on range so take that into an account. I have an eDrive 40 on 18"s and can regularly get 4.0 miles/kwh on long journeys. I test drove a Tesla before I got the BMW, and the BMW is more comfortable, handles better, is quieter and is much easier to use basic functions whilst driving. The Tesla is marginally more efficient but it's a worse "car"
The i4 is my favourite one to drive.
Be good to get hold of a selection of i4 on different wheels and convoy test them!!
If you can arrange and let me know what day I need to turn up to drive would be great 😉😂
Man bought the wrong car and trying to justify it 😂
It costs 50% less
@@RSEV Hah sure, you're welcome to get in in a test whenever
@@marcusbiller867 Wasn't aware my car was £90k, thanks for letting me know
I really appreciate your testing.
I would like to see the Ioniq 6 on 18 inch wheels which are supposed to have longer range tested next.
My Ioniq 6 on 20 inch wheels in Australia gets between 280 to 295 miles at 100kph with and without hvac on and off at similar temperatures.
That’s a lot more than I expected.
All three seem to me to have solved the EV range limitations.
While the sat nav works well, it does need the address entered in rather than by voice mode.
I really like the Ioniq 6 ,but I would be happy with any one of the three.
Yep I agree not really o level playing field the Tesla on 18in gets a big advantage over the other two cars. I have ordered an ioniq 6 and the very first thing I am going to do is put after market 18s on it. I surprised the reviewer struggled to understand where the efficiency of the aerodynamics of the car. I am equally surprised that Hyundai has gone to all that effort to make the car as efficient as possible and then put whopping big 20in wheels on it. One could argue that both the bmw and ioniq on bigger wheels are in fact as efficient if not better if it was a genuine like for like comparison. I will be getting rid of my Tesla model 3 for the ioniq and whilst I will miss the ease of the sat nav. I will not miss the constant fidgeting suspension and the invariable phantom . Having driven the Tesla for 4 years pretty much every day. I would say the myth of it being the very pinnacle of efficiency and technological advancement it just that a complete myth. Comparing apples with oranges as this review does perpetuates that north
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I would like to know what you think of the Ioniq 6 when you get it.
@@bentaxelrod I have test driven the ioniq. 6 my overall impressions were very favourable and tally with a lot of the reviews. Very quiet and smooth especially coming from the rocking house suspension of the Tesla info system antiquated and needs a serious update. I thought the handling was close to the Tesla but I had the sales man with me so couldn’t push it hard. I think it is generally set up much better than the Tesla for normal everyday driving. How much of the total mileage do you get to throw a car around these days?
AWD Ioniq 6 with 18" wheels . . . in Canadian MOUNTAINS we get around 310-330 miles of range at approx. 100 km/hr. Very very nice car. Just need a better charging network. Tesla's chargers rule.
@@michaelcollier8768
That is great range.
I live in the mountains in Australia which makes a difference to the range.
Going down I get over 350 miles but the loop back brings that back to average 280-295 with the 20 inch wheels.
While that is far better than I expected the 18 inch wheels obviously make a substantial difference.
My EV6 reports exactly like the Ioniq 6. The app always shows a better efficiency than the dashboard. The last month has recorded an average of 4.56 m/kWh over 670.45 miles consuming 146.76 kWh and recuperation of 61.70 kWh. The dashboard figure varies from 3.9 to 4.2 over the same period. Whatever, it is still much less expensive than petrol or diesel would be......and much cleaner!
EV6 and I6 share technology. Hyundai and Kia are group as well as VW, Skoda, Porche, Audi...
Great video as usual. Did you fastcharge the Tesla at a V2? If so it would have been faster at the Fastned 300kW fastcharger 😅
Should always mention how comparatively naked those non-Teslas are without options.
Maybe we should define a default set of things a modern car must have (seat heaters?, memory seats? glass roof? ADAS? keyless go?) and state the price including those "necessary options" instead of starting price.
360 degree camera ‘Sentry’ mode recording whist parked or in motion hardly ever gets a mention but priceless for peace of mind.
I can't speak for the BMW but the Hyundai is the top one. There are no options to fit to it. It has all the things you mentioned. You'd actually have to upgrade the Tesla to advanced auto-pilot to match the Hyundai as it has auto lane change and remote parking/summon which the Tesla, as standard, does not.
naked Tesla! They come with all the items you mentioned, if I'm not mistaken! There is no option list to tick like BMW, if you want a door handle sir, that's extra!!!
@@Jimmy23VR5 Eh. WHERE?
Here in Germany that parking package is a 1400€ option on a base Ioniq 6.
You can easily add a five figure sum in options and if you want the AWD you HAVE to buy the 8200€ Techniq package.
Looks like there are less variants in the UK, but wireless charger, glass roof and a few other things INCLUDING YOUR "Remote Smart Parking Assist" are still part of a 3500 pound package..
@@NO3V I'm talking about the U.K. And I didn't say it was a base model car at all. I said it was a top spec one. You also get the First Editions in Germany. Same car and spec as this one.
23:05 for reference I have a 2023 RWD LFP Model 3 - I drive a mix of 1/3rd each of 70-75mph freeway, 30-50mph highway and start/stop city driving. I have averaged 11.7kWh/100km for my first 1200km (750 miles) so far - normal driving, at the speed limit, temps ranging from 0c in the morning to 16/17 in the afternoon. That's 5.34 miles per kWh in the single motor config.
That’s excellent efficiency!
Pretty good efficiency! On our AWD 18" wheel Ioniq 6 for that kind of 1/3 driving our efficiency would be around 13. I imagine the RWD Ioniq 6 might make it to the low to mid 12's. Too bad in Canada Tesla pricing and financing is significantly pricier than Hyundai.
Great video Richard, all very similar, just comes down to personal taste, Beamer looks great in green and definitely wins the looks competition and I assume the driving experience?
Bmw is my favourite of the 3 to drive yes. Tesla is the best EV all round. Ioniq is something a bit different
SOC displayed in EVs is often non-linear so it makes more sense to calculate the real world range using average consumption and usable capacity.
True. However, can you compare the average consumption reported by different manufacturers? The only way to find the real consumption is to look at the number of kWh added (gross) divided by the GPS distance driven in eg. Google Maps. Yes, it's complicated. And Tesla knows this...
Of course it's linear... If you drive at constant speed all the time and the consumption stays the same it will go down linearly. Of you drive 50mph and then 150mph on another stretch, then yes, it will not be linear. What sort of dum answer is that...
@@omelvold This is not the consumption - this is cost. Cost=\= consumption. The only thing you have to measure for consumption is kWh at the beginning - kWh at the end according to the BMS. Delta / distance. Tesla is pretty good at that calculation and the distance is pretty accurate, below 1% error
@@marcusbiller867 nope that’s not how it works, demonstrated multiple times by Björn Nyland and others.
@@marcusbiller867 How do you know that Teslas BMS is accurate? 🙂 Tesla don’t specify the battery size in any way, the trip meter is not accurate and they don’t count the consumption unless the car is in Drive. Which is OK, but different than most other manufacturers. Further, losses and energy used for battery conditioning both while driving and charging differ slightly between different cars.
One of the reason for Teslas success is that their cars are best on paper. Therefore they made sure the EPA numbers were amazingly good, they silently used one foot rollout for 0-60 and an unknown constant for calculating the range that is presented in the car. Instead of using a less impressive, conservative estimate - like everyone else. All these little things..
BTW: I think what @Thor’s EV is referring to is that the SOC is not 100% linear because the voltage changes. Some are better than others.
You need to divid the charge you pay for by the miles traveled. That is the efficiency including charge loss!
Great video and certainly true around the cars software and overall experience. We had a Hyundai on loan for 24hrs while our car was in for a service. The software and mapping was not good enough resulting in us using our phone to locate postcodes that were then entered into the car. Was very disappointing considering when they need charging you really need an intelligent system to locate a charger quickly! Tesla still seem to be well ahead of the competition with their software and intelligence within the cars which make the customer experience far better than the other manufacturers.
Testing the Tesla Long range rwd will be very interesting. Tesla model 3 long range AWD now available new with zero miles from Tesla inventory in the U.K for £45,990. My heart goes out to you Richard as an EV car dealer.
I always wonder how specialist EV dealers get on, what with Tesla being so dynamic with their pricing.... 🤷🏻♂️
That would be REALLY interessting, since there is no Longe range RWD. Just standard range ;)
@RSymons RSEV Do you know or can you look up how many Kwh where added to the Tesla during that charge time?
29:16 it’s a given that the awd version loses some of the efficiency. I’m sure the rwd version would show better figures, but lose out on acceleration.
Another insightful video though. Nice work 👍🏾
Thanks for the video!
One thing I don't usually understand is why use percentage to compare range since percentage depends on the predicted maximum range?
To be clear you do it well here 😊
Cars can have hidden buffers etc but what owners see is percentage so whilst it isn’t always actually even exactly linear, it’s I think a sensible easy way to calculate what the car is capable of if you pro rata what % used to 100%.
100 miles on 50% = 200 miles range capable
@@RSEV thanks! That makes sense as I think most of them have similar ranges too?
Nice comparison. Certainly looks like the Ionic 6 is doing something strange with its in-car efficiency display. I would have thought Hyundai would want to avoid issues like that in terms of its marketing?
Looks like a nice car though!
Ride is certainly firm on the 3 but I know our late 22 Shanghai built car rides better and is quieter than the earlier ones. But it could still be better. Project Highland in the spotlight!
what was the temperature outside for this range test? great video
18-19 celcius
I'm not going to lie I'm a massive petrol head. I'm currently have a Hyundai i20n. In the early days I was never a fan of electric cars if I'm going to be truthful but the more I learn and the more I've watched this channel, the more I've educated myself. I would, without question, consider a Tesla for my next vehicle. I know somebody who had a model three and was involved in a serious accident on the motorway and because of the technology in the car this car it saved his life. That has to be applauded. I respect the technology and the Super charger network seems to be brilliant.
Great comparison!
I would like to see this one again when the Model 3 Highland Model is out.
Than all of them would be the newest model.
Very interesting that all of them have nearly the same range.
This is not a really fair comparison. The wheel size of the Model 3 is the smallest size available while for the i4 you’re using 19’ inch wheels instead of the efficient aero in 17’. Also the M Sport packet in the i4 is less efficient that the standard sport packet.
For me, this test is better then carwow ev test's
All "Run to zero" tests do is risk bricking the battery.
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Any driver who owns an EV should really simply take notice of the repeated warnings and (at least in Teslas' case) directions to chargers.
Does the Tesla navigation have chargers other than superchargers on it and that you can select? Can you preheat to those or does there have to be a supercharger nearby for preheating to work
Yes and yes can preheat for those too
Living in Northern Ontario Canada preheating of the battery is always important but in winter especially so.
Nicely done.
Thank you for demonstrating how close all three cars are being an 'EV'... confirms to me that I made the right decision on getting the vehicle that is NOT the most popular as I would like to know where my car is parked amongst the sea of TM3's at the shopping mall or anywhere for that matter LOL... and the most normal looking vehicle here is the most unique ironically enough!
Thanks. Comparison tests in the real world. Ed
My old car, thanks for looking after it and selling it for me @RSEV !
That's really very real world testing - thank you guys from Germany! Disappointed with the Ioniq6, not for me - it's also the use and the fun. If I am not so much into cars, it would be the Tesla for me - but because I like cars and like to drive, I would take the BMW no brainer.
Why didn’t you have the Tesla charge @ the engineered Super Charger?
Very interesting thanks. Driving a Hyundai Kona Ultimate for 12 months, I agree the sat nav etc is pants. Stopped using it very early on and just use apps.
Did you adjust the weight so all drivers weighed the same?
Great review and as mentioned before when you do get a chance, all on 18 inch wheels would be ideal. Just a tidbit here. I have the edrive40 with 19in wheels and M Sport suspension and can average 4.4mi/kwh easily for 50 miles on dialy drive to and from work. I average about 54 miles per hour. Just food for thought. There are i4 forums where others indicate the same with just regular driving. No hypermilling etc. If we hypermile im sure 4.8 would not be out of the question.
That's great to know they can get to that level of efficiency. I'm just about to order my first EV and it's very much likely to be an I4 eDrive40 M Sport Pro which comes with those 19" wheels. I can't imagine that I'll get to your level of efficiency as I do longer motorway journeys so significantly less regen, but those shorter stop/start journeys I'd like to hope I can get close to that.
Thanks Richard. Tesla calculates consumption differently, I believe when only in drive and moving whereas others start as soon as the ignition in on. Hyundai and Kia are simply odd. They seem to have three figures, in my Kia the dash consumption is seldom matches the trip on the infotainment and in the app the daily consumption is always crazy low.
If you were reviewing ICE cars most would say it is pointless to look at the mpg displayed, the only true method is to measure the actual fuel over distance. You have a fantastic opportunity with your convoy tests to say after a test how long and how many KW it takes to get back to say 80% (which should be the starting level unless LFP). Stick with the usual sensible options such as battery preheating and then you can show a fair consumption figure. With some public chargers being 85p per KWh I suspect most people, even EV owners do not appreciate the charging losses on either DC or AC.
regarding the Hyundai efficiency - Richard said it under reported it's distance travelled by 4 miles? (are the tyre sizes set correctly?) maybe the app is the GPS distance travelled? I'm speculating though
Good points. My Prius MPG readout on the display is always 2 to 3 higher than calculated at the pump and I bet electric cars are similar on that, reading optimistic numbers to give an impression they are more efficient than they are.
Hi Richard and Team, very useful review, I don’t have a Tesla, but I can see why they are popular with people who can be bothered to do the necessary research. The technology they are based on is just way ahead of the pack, from the engineering to the all important software.
Just looking at the i4 edrive35/40, perfect timing this video.
I have the 40, it's a fantastic car, definitely recommend. Drove the likes of the Mach E, Tesla etc and the BMW was just better all round
Did they add PEDAL on Steering wheel 2024?
I'd like to see a transition electric that's analog for all except motive & braking points. Don't want to play with a computer while driving.
14:40, how did you drive without seatbelt and no annoying chimes?
Are there any reliable stats of EV trip length? Would be interesting to see the ‘bell curve’ of cars that only need to charge at home, those that charge occasionally from home and those that are real road warriors and charge away from home all the time. I think people can get sucked in to big batteries and high charging speeds when they will rarely ever use it. Great video as ever - and exceptionally useful for those high milers out there!
Most people have too big batteries in their cars. Even I have the big battery version Ioniq 5, because that was available within a few weeks, whereas the smaller battery version would have taken months. However, there's an often overlooked advantage of fast charging batteries, regardless of size: The faster a car can charge (the fewer minutes it takes from 10-80%, NOT how many kW peak power it can draw!), the higher the quality of the battery and the longer it will live. And generally the bigger the battery, the longer it will live, because not only will it go through fewer cycles, it also won't need to be fast charged as often.
BMW and green is such a perfect combination. Looks so good out of all of them.
Nice seeing the comparison. Unfortunately not every site is as well served as down south. Gretna and Abingdon services are a joke. Serving both sides of the M74. Working chargers Gretna has 4 v2 Tesla and 4 x 50kW. Abingdon has 6 Tesla and 2 x 50kw
Tebay just received a whole load more Tesla superchargers.
Gretna is getting more installed but needs tons more! Every manufacturer navigates to Ionity
There are now a number of Applegreen chargepoints in situ at both Gretna and Abington. 150 kw - Zapmap gives info.
Sat nav is Hyundai's issue, same with My 2021 Kona it cant even find postcodes that Google and apple maps can. Still love the car though. Great video again
Must be a Hyundai group issue. Our 2022 Kia Proceed's sat nav is absolute dog💩.
I’ve said it for 20 years; extreme shaped cars is not the thing, its how you build the engine and its components
I think the Ioniq 6 board computer shows the consumption without recuperation, and that the final number is shown in the app resulting in a lower consumption.
Needs a "KISS mode"?
I don't know how it is in the UK, but in the EU you can spec the i4 with 17". You get better efficiency and range, but also better comfort. And the 17" are the only option without extra cost. Compliments to BMW for still offering that option. They're probably the only ones to offer 17" in this segment, even if it should be the standard option for electric cars.
Yeah I have the charge limit set to 80% on my IONIQ 6 and it always seems to stop at 79%. 🤷🏽 The I6 community is shocked by the tremendous efficiency handicap of the 20" wheels. I have yet another reason to hate oversized wheels. LOL. Once I figured out how to go NAV>POI>CHARGERS and set it as the destination it takes care of preheating beautifully. The car scanner shows it can get the coolant loop up to almost 110°F to then heat the pack. The efficiency of the BMW is due part to it's induction motor. The big H has permanent magnet motors.
Seems like the Ioniq 6 has the same quirky software as my second generation original Ioniq.
The satnav is pretty awful - they’re using TomTom data, which is a mess in our part of Scotland, having farm tracks and footpaths marked as drivable roads. I sometimes have more success finding places using the app and sending the location to the car rather than finding using the navigation controls in the car.
Efficiency wise again the numbers from the app seem to fit better than what the car displays - but it is worth checking whether the car is automatically resetting efficiency on the car display at some point.
Wow..! Ioniq 6 has the Voice Recognition abilities of a VW BEV. It even does all the 'pick from this list of totally unrelated addresses to your request' malarky. I've had two years in an ID3 and by the time year three ends I'll have less hair than Richard. The next car is going to have good software interactivity. And the speed that Tesla prices are coming down it might be a Model 3.
Have you got the newest software version on you’re ID3?
The ID3 voice control for nav is a lot better once you have software 3. Fairly confident it could pick up Cheltenham station without too much stress. Still not Google quality though!
@@binflydushy I tried to get it from the service dealer a couple of months ago, but they were dead scared they might brick the car.
@@ramblerandy2397 😂 lol ok, guess the instruction for the workers is still pending
@@binflydushy I know I shouldn't give up on it, but every time I've had a software update the improvements have been tiny, and almost not worth bothering with.
I'll call them up next week and see if I can get anything done.
The guy at 10:11 on the timer looks like a Simpsons cartoon character come to life.
Fan boi time, Tesla for me thanks. Please also include the cost to charge Richard. Suspect not only is the Tesla the most efficient but also the cheapest to recharge??
how can the % and consumption be the same between the BMW and Ioniq when bmw has a bigger battery?
This is the way range test should be. At least two car at the same time and road. Error: less than 5%😎. Sorry Bjørn Nyland, your error is 10-20%, but thanks to the great effort to both of you.
Just went to my Ioniq 5 and hit the voice command button and said "Fastned Chargepoint Oxford". The correct chargepoint was number two on the list. Didn't take my hands off the wheel. Not sure why you were having so much trouble with the Ioniq 6.
Is there a voice calibration mode?
I'd like to see it try and decipher a Scottish burr / Irish Brogue. ua-cam.com/video/NMS2VnDveP8/v-deo.html
The Ioniq 6 & BMW i4 are both on larger wheels in this test: with smaller wheel options, their efficiencies would increase.
Are you really going to place an order for your new car, and then tell them to take off the wheels and replace them with a smaller set? At extra cost to you? No. Soo it’s irrelevant
If someone can arrange all 3 cars on same wheels, tell me where and when and I’ll be there to do the test again!
@@kensladenthe i4 comes with 18 inch standard as does the others. A good comparison would be all on their standard 18 inch wheels or up the wheel size on the Tesla.
@@kennycasillas901I don't know how it is in the UK, but in the EU you can spec the i4 with 17", and it's the only option without extra cost. Compliments to BMW for still offering that option.
That Ioniq looks very slick but the Model 3 LR is my pick without a doubt.
I have an IONIQ 5 and I'd like to know why the app and the display in the car disagree. They always do. I wondered if it's because the more efficient figure takes into account the regen? Would love to know.
We’d like to know too!
The app is using eco mode and the car starts in normal mode that’s why the range is different
@@bigdi77 It's not that, there's an app and it shows you the energy consumption, my last drive says it was 5.15 miles/kWh, but the car said it was 4.7. The app says I used 8.67kWh and drove 44.73 miles. It also says I had 5.56kWh of recuperation. If I really had used 4.7 miles per kWh then it would have been 9.52 kWh used. Which is right?
@@RSEVI have a theory. The efficiency on the guage cluster screen relates to the theoretical net battery size (eg, my IONIQ 5 is 72.4 kWh gross, 70.0 net, so here it would show miles driven divided by 70), the efficiency on the app relates to the real efficiency, ie miles driven by actual kWh).
Reasons for this theory: my car scanner OBD software seems to suggest I actually have about 67kWh net pack and if I use that figure instead, I get the higher efficiency figures you see in the app. If I'm right, then I guess the logic is so you can accurately calculate the remaining range based on the figures visible whilst you drive. Eg, if I'm going 4 miles/kWh after using 50% battery then I can be fairly sure that if my driving style doesn't change then I'm going to get (70/2)*4 miles range.
I reckon the Hyundai's efficiency is being ruined by the 20" rims
Voice recognition on the Tesla is pretty good IME but I'm not a fan. The instructions are very inconsistent (bear left, turn left, no instruction at all for very similar junctions) and I don't find the top down view nearly as clear. It also can't count roundabout exits - it can show the correct route on screen, but day something different. I've now got a great phone mount behind the steering wheel so that I can use Waze.
The Ioniq 6 RWD with aero rims easily consumes 10 to 15% less that the first edition. The stated cd of 0.21 only applies if equipped with aero rims and camera mirrors.
Having the most rescent software flashed it can precondition the battery (but only under comically complex conditions) which gives it by far faster charging speeds than in the video.
As the Ioniq 6 AWD is not a fast car anyway so it is not the version to have anyway. So the only sensible version is the RWD Long Range with the aero rims. It's combination of efficiency and charging speed makes it by far THE fastest EVs for long range driving in its price class. And its comfort also let you enjoy the endless miles.
The car shows about 10% more energy used than app, which is the same amount of charging losses when home charging. Could it be the explanation?
Great work. I just managed 3.8 mi/kwh on a 430 mile round trip from Dover to Holland in a pre heatpump 2020 model 3 LR. Don't miss our previous ioniq 38kwh the sat nav was very poor couldn't even find Maidstone service's. Ioniq 6 must have the same maps.
Brilliant!
You know, if you took an ICE car's miles per gallon and subdivided by 8 to create miles per _pints,_ it'd sort of align with an EV's miles per kilowatt/hour.
A car with 30 mpg would get 3.75 miles per pint of fuel. One getting 36 miles per gallon would get 4.5 miles per pint. Those are similar numbers to EV vehicle efficiencies.
An EV with a battery capacity of 80 kw/h would essentially be the equivalent of a 10 gallon fuel tank.
That Blade battery Tesla will be interesting?
0.21 cd for ioniq 6 is only when it has smallest aero wheels and camera mirrors.
As others have said, the real test would be to see how many kWh are required to refill the cars back to 80%. That surely would be the true efficiency of each car. So next time Richard, please make sure you make a true comparison. In fact, you probably have that data, so please just publish it!
How much did the Tesla cost to charge compared with the others?
The miles per kwh on the Tesla can be misleading. For the correct number you have to calculate the ratio of total miles covered in the trip navigation app and the real miles covered in the small trip information widget then multiply by the Wh/mile. I think the miles reported in the navigation app also takes into account the total energy used, whereas what is reported in the trip information widget is just the drivetrain
This is quite confusing but I've always been suspicious of the Tesla efficiency numbers.
It’s the miles in the energy app under drive => rated vs miles in the trip information. If you drive at the National speed limit the first number is always higher than the one in the trip information.
I think once it’s normalised you will find the efficiency will be very similar to the other two
Nope
Not true, will report all energy consumed while driving. You can see in the energy graph that HVAC and aux consumption is being tracked.
What it will not consider is stationary consumption, e.g. watching a movie white charging or Sentry mode.
Of course in the energy app it reports all energy used while driving. That’s my point. In the trip information the Wh/mile number does not take into account all of that.
No wonder they got fined in Korea for misleading about the range
Thanks - again - Richard. Is pro-rating a valid method? You are still using the car-calculated figures.
I have an Ioniq 6 and I have no issue with the navigation and the voice control...
I have the Ioniq 6 First Edition AWD. My journey today, temperature 20deg C no motorways, showed an average of 4.58 miles/kwh on the app but the car never showed more than 4.1miles/kwh. Hopefully you can shed some light on this difference.
Yes that seems to be the common theme which we worked out at the end here. So why is Hyundai doing this?
@@RSEV I guess the infotainment is unable to handle the live calculations involved and leaves the final calculation to the app……. It seems to be the same with the ioniq 5
@@barryf2018 odd... either way it sorta sketches me out. seems like for some reason either the car can't handle the maths or there's some trickery with the numbers.
@@robblly8112 from the video data the app efficiency number appears to be correct
@@barryf2018 alright well that's good. i wonder why the car can't handle it? maybe there's a fault in the mathematics of the car
Tesla for the win. Great video. Best regards Martin
What have Hyundai done. Best in class efficiency from their Kona and original Ioniq which were based on a fuel platform, yet the new Ioniq 5 and 6 are so inefficient. I drive my Ioniq 5 and Kona exactly the same. 1.5 year lifetime average for Kona is 5.1m/kWh, Ioniq 5 is 3.1. Did learn quickly that 1 pedal in the Ioniq 5 is the least efficient as locks the car in AWD increasing drivetrain loss (both on drive and regen).
Interesting to hear your long term numbers.
Yes original Ioniq was super efficient and one of my favourite EVs as well as the Kona always good numbers.
Would like to see trought tge eyes of mechanick... they all have seats and they all drive. But would like to learn how mutch time will it spend in service and the cost of repairs in year.
Interesting review...
I'm surprised the Ioniq6 is quite poor, not meeting expectations...
Pretty sure our brick shaped Kona is about the same at 70mph, usually around 3.7miles/kwh, better if we hit roadworks etc! Was 4.2m/kwh from Blackpool to home last weekend...
I think it's those big wheels. They offer smaller rims (18in for other markets) and they should come with them here. Big wheels are just stupid.
@@FFVoyager it is the wheels people are over looking that
@@bigdi77 I'm sure it is. Stupid styling over function - sadly a big problem with a lot of products.
@@FFVoyager Yes, just watched a Kiwi review, where the 2wd with 18" wheels which has a WLTP of 381 miles, against the 322mile of the 4WD 20" wheels
Ioniq 6: 50% battery used = 37 kWh to cover 147 miles = ca. 4 mi/kWh
Impressive results for all 3 cars.
By cost vs efficiency comparison this is yet another victory for the Tesla Model 3.
The cheapest of the bunch with best efficiency and the most advanced software.
The competition has come close by now. Im curious to see how the new Model 3, probably releasing later this year, will do.
That is not a very confortable car, also noisier than others.
I haven't driven the other two but the Tesla is the most comfortable car I have ever owned. The seats are incredible
@@markgwilt5180 While I like the Model 3 a lot - so much so that I wanna get one myself later this year - I have to say, in all fairness: yes, there are better and more comfortable seats in other cars.
The current Opel / Vauxhall Astra for example has some very good seats, very comfortable and good for your back (certified).
So there's that. That said, one still can rest well aboard a Tesla.
@@FlorinArjocu This is only dominant at high speed - and while Teslas are fast cars the main idea isn't going fast for longer distances.
At an average cruising speed of 130 kph the noise level is, well, normal. Aka not bad.
@@robertmandl9326 yeah I hear you. I suppose you pick a trade off, Tesla has the efficiency and tech, BMW has the quality and comfort, then the Hyundai has the style and practicality
I haven't seen the result but the Ioniq 6 is at a disadvantage being on larger wheels and the short range all wheel drive. Let's see how it goes...
Yea, those wheels are awful for efficiency. I’m surprised they even offer them on an EV. Not exactly fair compared to the aero wheels on the Tesla but I doubt it would even come close to closing the efficiency gap between them.
I4 has a hatchback. That's the deal maker.