Porsche Taycan 4S v Tesla Model 3 Performance on track. Which is faster? Over 140mph 😲
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- Опубліковано 6 чер 2022
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Time for some fun! Here we take our Porsche Taycan 4s 93kwh on track against the Tesla Model 3 Performance.
We can see which is faster.
Which is more fun
How are Pirelli tyres on the new Uberturbine wheels compared to the Michelin Pilot Sport 4s from the previous 20” wheels.
How is the Taycan which is fitted with 21inch wheels, air suspension and 4 wheel steering (but no PDCC - Porsche Dynamic Chassis Control )
How is charging?
How many laps can you do before battery is too low.
This is all at Thruxton Circuit which is the UKs fastest track and we see over 140mph on one of these cars!
And just have some fun before driving these road cars back home again!
If you want to really take track days seriously you can look up some of the specialist modifications available from companies such as our friends at TEVO !
Thanks for watching!
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100% agree. The very FIRST thing I upgraded on the M3P were the sway bars; didn’t like the way the car flopped around at speed in corners. $500 and a stupid simple install and the car holds absolutely firm in the corners at any speed. The stock Performance should get thicker sways from the factory! The rest of the suspension is pretty much on point for those of us not wanting to go to coilovers. Glad to see the brakes held up! Pads was gonna be my next move lol
And the Tesla warranty? When you start to modify be prepared to take huge economical risks. Taycan needs no modification, it is a real Porsche and when you once drive it you know why it cannot be compared in reality to any Tesla. By the way based on that Japan EV race Tesla needed to replace Sway Bar set, Camber arms, Brake lines, Coilovers, spring arms, trailing arms. traction arms, breakes itself fully! and still some 10 other smaller points. Having racing background myself, I would never race and drive daily with the same car. Not knowing, but can imagine that after those mods Tesla is not daily driven pleasure any more. Taycan was from the stock...
@@observertark1016 as you saw the taycan had no chance of keeping up in the longer races that they did. And those mods really don't hurt daily driving pleasure. The mods actually make the model 3 a better car both on and off the track.
@@observertark1016 isnt the taycan much more expensive? the new model 3 performance is only $46k with the tax credit. Quite a lot of car and performance for the price point. I would agree dailying and tracking should be done in two separate vehicles
That charging hitting 250kw was the highlight of the video.
THANK you for doing tire equalization for this test! People never do that! You are a saint!
Nice job guys! Great comparison!
You look like you know your way around ! Great driving 👍
(Richard ultra respectful towards speed limits on the road … turns into a beast on the track !)
The true capabilities of both cars on the race track can be seen in the 2021 All Japan EV-GP Series. The Taycan has top speed but lacks battery life leading to power loss. But the Model 3 was better at keeping power up until the end of the race and overtaking The Taycan after lap 3.
Yup. Who would have thought that little Tesla would be able to keep dominating big ol Porsche in a real racing series. Crazy times for legacy carmakers....
@@minso8164 They should race the Plaid vs Mission R 😁
@@abraxastulammo9940 Never heard. Porsche? How much is it?
The true question is who will catch up the other one first? Will Tesla be able to make a proper sport car before Porsche is able to improve is battery efficiency ... I would bet on Porsche.
@@littlepurpleball6799 You lose, the Tesla Plaid is already out it is a similar price and will beat the Porsche.
Now it's a big dog fight!
congrats for the video!!
Henrique do Vale Rio Verde - GO Brazil
Someone has done a bit of track work before 😉 Good work!
5:12 - you were worried for a second there 😅
You didn't mention What kind of options taycan had? Did it have ptv,pdcc or rearwheel steering?
Great video. You should do the same with your i4
Really enjoying your videos thank you keep it up
Didn't know track mode had so many features 🤔
How did the PSCB brakes hold up after multiple laps? Seems like they are more for aesthetics than performance. @RSymons RSEV
Nice, but is it subtle or supple suspension..? 😆
The Porsche Taycan 4S was amazing, but more impressive was the Tesla Model 3 to be only 3 seconds off the pace.
3s is forever
@@sirpawelm A few mods on this Tesla and this 3s gap will disapear 😎
per lap, 3 seconds is huge.imagine how far you travel at 130mph for 3 seconds every lap
Love your videos. At 6:08, why did your interior light come on in the Tesla Model 3? Did you notice? Did anyone notice? 😄
It seemed to be when he put it in park.
Put in Park, yes. Unlocks doors and puts on interior lights
Would the Michelin tires fit the 20 rims ? What I mean the Pirelli are stretched on the rim , would the Michelin stretch as well , or look normal .
They fit and look good! The tyres are actually the same size but the shape is different with the Pirelli’s to try and gain aero efficiency I think.
The Michelins on uberturbines look 👌
The results seem right. I've got a 2021 Model 3 Performance and my buddy has a Taycan 4S. I think my M3P squirts around more rapidly, but the two gears of the taycan would help on a high-speed track like this and the air suspension is miles ahead of the Telsa. I mean, it's a Porsche - so of course it is, and it's twice the price. I just ordered some sport coilovers from Mountainpass that should help with my wobbly rear end.
Do the mountainpass coilovers make the performance m3 lower and how pricey they are? :)
@@humanape4401 Yes, they do. If you dont want that you can get the KW V3 Leveling coilovers, those will remain the factory height.
Great video guys 👌
We need RSEV to get a Model S Plaid already.
Maybe *when it's available* ?
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Richard, you'll buy one just to prank Yanni, won't you?
😁 Looking forward to Tesla plad . Future is looking healthy 👌
Without the yoke preferably..!
Enjoyed this 👍🏼💥👏
Wonder how my Kona ev would compare. I'd imagine there would be a bit of understeer at around 80. ;-)
One careful owner! 😂
Love this! seeing the tesla overtake 2 BMWs was a great highlight to show how fun a 4 door saloon is! Interesting to compare a model 3P vs Porsche Taycan - nearly double the price!
yeah, a Model S Plaid is more suited for comparison
Much more than double the car though!
@@richardb8503 maybe in terms of higher end speed and quality but not in terms of tech and future proofing. Netflix, autopilot, charging network, id much rather the Tesla for a daily driver and have a 100k in the bank 👍🏻
@@hillj94 lol…I’m a bit of a petrol head so will go with better car, better built, better to drive, better materials, better quality…I tend not to watch Netflix when I’m driving somewhere…I like to drive so switch off all the driving aids…and the charging network will catch up.
@@hillj94 what’s the price difference? Is it really £100k…? Crumbs!
well driven. Noted that the Porsche is Twice as expensive and that your cousin is a very brave sport.will she come again?
It’s to be expected really, one is a new manufacturer with no competition experience and the other is arguably the greatest racing brand there is with tons of experience.
YESS BABY!!!
Fun video, you’d be in the gravel if you took your ID.3 around there 😉
Rear wheel drive ID3… I’d be sideways 😂
good fun! wonder how many laps you could get in before the thermals call it quits on the porsche? Hopefully enough to have a good fun session at least.
Never had an issue with battery temp. Done a couple track days now and push hard lap after lap… not a problem
That would be never. Porsche designed the Taycan so that you could drive it hard over and over and never overheat. Older Tesla's have a problem with that.
Did you find it hard to spot the apex in the m3 because the A Pillar gets in the way?
yes
A fairer comparison would be the top of the range Porsche Taycan Turbo vs the Tesla Model S Plaid. The Tesla would beat the Porsche in every single way at two-thirds the price.
Considering Taycan turbo costs $100k more than a Plaid I should hope so but sadly nurburgring says NOPE.
$450 on front and rear sway bars, $150 for track brake pads, and $150 for wheel spacers, better brake flluid...for about $800 you can make the model 3 performance substantially better than stock for a track and bridge a lot of that gap with the taycan in terms of time...makes it tought to justify that taycan price tag. But of course a porsche is a porsche.
Yep, here's a good example:
ua-cam.com/video/Qs6LcEO9tyg/v-deo.html
Professional drivers in various EVs on the track, notice the top 5 spots are Model 3s, then Taycan at 6th place.
For some reason the Taycan throttles its power after a few laps, it seems to be optimized for doing the Nürburgring, going past that and it appears that something is overheating due to the weight of the vehicle, but it takes some time for that to build up.
The channel shows this happening multiple times if you go through the race videos as the Taycan driver tries different things to get a handle on the problem.
The Model 3, on the other hand, seems quite capable as an endurance EV, it performs at consistent levels all the way, and is nimble enough to keep tailing the Taycan until it tires.
Kinda like how a nimble cheetah relentlessly chases its heavier prey and pushes it to exhaustion before the pounce.
TLDR: Some fairly affordable upgrades are quite worth the investment if someone wants to make the Model 3 a nimble full-time track champ without breaking the bank.
@@AllanSustainabilityFan yep...I've done the sway bars and spacers - noticeable difference in handling...much more planted and flat in corners...fraction of the stock body roll...switching out brake pads before next track day (it's definitely a weak point on M3Ps...the brakes themselves are good, but not for a car that heavy...not good enough to stop all that momentum)
“Porsche is a Porsche” 🤣 Marketing works
Yep I have some friends with some awesome track modified m3ps and they’re superb.
I did make it very clear in the video this was a stock standard car and I also pointed that a number of mods are now available to enhance them for track even more
@BTICronox Can you provide a link to that video? I'm curious because the Plaid Model S's cooling system is massive, about double the size of the Model 3.
Zane from one direction wants his top back off Richard
Would be more interesting if they ran on the most complicated track using these two cars again in stock format.
Using a high speed tracks puts the Tesla at an advantage, since it’s not nearly as good suspension wise which a complex track will show.
I love how you call the Model 3 Performance an "absolutely standard road car".
Nothing standard about a Model 3 Performance. :)
I was driving one as a loan car last week for a few days and even compared to our own Model 3 long range it was considerably faster!
Great video!
Tesla standard brakes standard suspension i.e. standard car thats why the Porsche owns it !
@@davidlewis4399 I know it is the "standard" car but what I am saying is that it is far from an absolutely standard road car compared to 99.99% of other cars on the road.
Standard road cars don’t cost 65k-77k yea idk wat he meant by standard, I guess it’s standard for him since he drives 200k cars
It’s not modified from its standard specification, it’s standard. That they are expensive is not an issue. Some people can afford it and some can’t, that’s the nature of life, not something to be moaning about. I can’t afford either of these, but I’m glad they exist.
@@devonbikefilms The Tesla Model 3 and many other EV's are actually considerably less expensive than other cars with the same level of performance.
2 comments. 1. Previously we have seen the M3LR faster acceleration from 30+mph than M3P so would’ve been good to see this comparison around the track. 2. Surely based on cost, May be you should’ve brought out the bigger brother Model S Plaid to go against the Porsche - similar costing cars 🤔
The M3LR doesnt accelerate faster at higher speeds. I owned a boosted one and have a M3P now. i did multiple measurements with dragys, some are posted on my channel. In the same conditions the M3P and a boosted LR accelerate the same after about 60mph.
@@romansenger2322 worth watching ua-cam.com/video/htGXA4McmGU/v-deo.html
Tasty !
TESLA 3 Performance is outstanding
The Tesla DESPERATELY needs coilovers and wider tires on track.(I have a 2019 Model 3 Performance)
But its still an incredible package for the price :)
Yes, incredible package, but saddly not a car I want to drive.
0:31 Giggty 😏
Hey Rich,
awesome video!
trying to figure out how much the track relevant options for the 4S are here.
Am I ballpark correct with:
21-Inch Mission E Design Wheels
£ 2,997.00
Porsche Surface Coated Brake (PSCB), Brake Calipers with White Finish
£ 2,105.00
Rear-Axle Steering including Power Steering Plus
£ 1,650.00
Performance Battery Plus
£ 3,906.00
? Porsche Torque Vectoring Plus (PTV Plus) ?
? £ 1,052.00 ?
? Sport Chrono Package ?
? £ 795.00 ?
[ Porsche Dynamic Chassis Control Sport (PDCC Sport) would be
£ 2,315.00 and requires PTV Plus ]
The base 4S is £ 85,000.00 and comes on 19 inch wheels, without glass roof, adaptive cruise or lane keep, keyless go, memory seats, heated rear seats, heated steering wheel, electric folding mirrors, ...
just get a 3P + KW V3 + alignment and then you buy an classic Porsche too :-P
It's mind boggling the 3 gets anywhere near the Taycan. Apples to apples requires an S plaid vs the Taycan. Tesla still cheaper.
Just a legal disclaimer/reminder that timing is prohibited on trackdays (ATDO rules, no competition allowed, even against your own times!), and may invalidate any specialist insurance cover you buy... if you want timing you need to participate in a Test day event with the appropriate insurance..
Did you mean to say "open her legs up" 😲🤣
The TM3 is more raw and fun in my opinion.
Less than $10k of mods on this Model 3 (better, lighter, lower, stiffer suspensions + ultra light Magnesium or CF rims + better and lighter carbon ceramic breaks) and she'll be as quick as the Taycan.
what's the cost of fixing the shit build quality, panel gaps and a decent respray?
@@MrDead1975 If the car is brand new => litteraly NOTHING. Tesla will fix everything and pay for the paint correction.
But even without that (If the car is already used for exemple), a few thousands $/€ for a full detailling + a paint protection film and a ceramic coating, and the car will be more than perfect.
@@WlerickBigotOfficial ua-cam.com/video/ORt5yIx0zgQ/v-deo.html Do you get PDI on the Tesla in Europe?
@@WlerickBigotOfficial The Tesla must have its entire interior replaced. Tesla onlly have lowgrade, all-plastic interiors, poorly put together.
The amount of people I have to tell how to open the door, including people who have been in the car previously and told previously but seemingly can’t remember.
Why are you racing this against a model 3 performance? For that price, you should be racing against the Model S Plaid.
Plaid would have to go against the Taycan Turbo S
A great comparison. For the extra £60k ish for the Porsche though, you're getting a worse range (?), worse charging support and I think the Tesla stands out well. They just need to sort the seats which just don't have any support on fast road driving let alone on track- which is clear here! Oh and fit Michelin PS4's as standard.....
Mine came with the Pirelli's, and I switched to the Michelin's for the next set. The handling is noticeably better at the extremes and is far less twitchy. But more downforce in the rear would really help at track speeds.
For the extra 60K you get proper service and parts are always available, consistent panel gaps and a modular battery that can be fixed in 10 minutes in case things go south. And you don’t have to replace the whole pack like you have to on teslas. The list is long it’s just things that stand out the most
Never did go and show some of the track mods on the other Teslas... ;-). Time to join us at Brands next month?
You know there are superchargers at the Nurburgring! Hint Hint :)
Timing of laps isn't usually permitted at track days.
Correct, but it is permitted to time it after which is exactly what we did
@@RSEV 2:15 shows him setting the start/finish line for the stopwatch. The video of him lapping (8:15 for example) shows the stopwatch running. This is against the terms of trackdays
🤣🤣🤣 Great video
Great video, thank you. I have M3P on order for September delivery but this video makes me want to go for Porsche, if only delivery times were shorter…
You’ll love the m3p. Great cars (and half the price of the Taycan!)
just add a KW suspension and lighter rims, better tires and you’re good. Taycan is more comfortable and heavier anyway
You have made right best choice no doubt
Just do minor upgrades to brake and suspension (etc) and you'll unlock allot of potential underlying in the Model 3 platform.
Model 3 also seems to be the better "endurance" car on the track, likely due to weight advantage:
ua-cam.com/video/Qs6LcEO9tyg/v-deo.html
1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th - Model 3.
6th - Taycan.
You wouldn’t want the Porsche if you’d make a long journey in the Tesla ! The supercharger network and the car’s ability to plan a journey …. Quite extraordinary
I’ve never seen more than 700kph charge rate on my MY (with a 250Kw charger ) … I’m curious
Wait until you are 10% battery and your battery is 45°C. Either by driving hard or navigate to a supercharger 30 mins prior whilst having a low state of charge.
Did you forget to bring the i4 M50 to the party? 😁
It was filmed a while ago before it was on the scene… but yes it needs to be compared now doesn’t it..!!
@@RSEV
Was this pre "upgrade"
I heard the Traction control (or the lack of deactivating it far enough) limits the speed and fun you can have on those
Hello mate 👍
when you buy the Porsche you not only buy the physical car, but what the extra money spent (for better or worse) buys is the "intangible" in regards to VW's deep knowledge of racing and how to set up a car to perform at the limit. one doesn't build 16 cylinder Bugattis, set records at both Nurburgring and Pikes Peak (ref the ID.R), and dominate Lemans LMP-1 for years (both Audi and Porsche) WITHOUT learning a few things that they can then apply to the cars they build (ie, 911). were almost 70 years into the Information Age and 50 years into Internet Age, so viewed in this context it should surprise no one that DATA itself has "value".
yes. or you can buy all aftermarket parts where porsche is also wildering in, for example Öhlins coilovers, some good brake pads and fluids, tires+wheels. What you cant do though is power upgrade, soemthing the Tyacan will always stay in favour.
The Taycan didn't dare to set an official time at the Ring. Tesla model S is the fastest electric car here. Pretty embarrassing for Porsche.
Did you say the Porsche was on parelli's and you didn't like the parelli's for the Tesla?
what’s a parelli? 👀
Yes… the Pirelli’s on Tesla were rubbish but I had a second set of wheels for that. I’ll be putting Michelins on the Porsche when they need changing
I took my MYLR to the track for the first time and I can relate to some of the things you mentioned. I am a novice driver but it was still a lot of fun.
Come on mate 😂 she loves the speed
She should definitely go to Germany they know what speed is! On round on the autobahn at 200mph in a Audi rs6 and to the Nurburgring too 😂 😂
Hi Richard , I watch your videos and they are so much fun , I own a M3P and have never driven the way you do , huge respect to you and your cousin must be very brave to sit in the car as a passenger , I am in the market to buy a car as my lease term will end in few months, can you give me an answer please , I am looking at Taycan RWD , 4S and M3P , I don’t do track days or travel long distances , work and back around 35 miles per day and one or two long travel in a year , which do you recommend and do you recommend I add air suspension as an option on Taycan if I go for it
A basic rwd Taycan on coils is still wonderful… the most pure driving experience
@@RSEV Hi Richard , thanks for your reply , huge respect to know how knowledgeable and practical you are. You mentioned in your performance Ev shoot out that , you go back to your Model S , no matter what car you drive.
I have test driven basic Etron GT and Taycan 4S , love the amount of specs I get as standard with Etron and traction is immense , didn’t realise how fast I was until I saw the speedo, Taycan was polished and smooth , I know you have a sweet spot for Taycan and you sold your Etron GT ,wonder which one you recommend among these two , as I mentioned to you earlier , I drive a M3P presently , I do like it’s nimbleness and size , do you recommend I go for that again or move to a polished EV like Taycan or maybe Etron
Porsche is Porsche, the rest is just fait-divers
Have you sold the 3?
Do they know? 😁
Yeah I told them it had been on track 😂. One careful owner.
But I used the other tyres from my spare set so they were fine and as for the car it’s of course fine. Just a few bugs to clean off the front!
Shame you couldn’t have taken the new i4…. Next time! 👍
Was filmed a few weeks ago but yes I’ll try and get the m50 to thruxton for a comparison!
😊 FUN with out burning toxic fossil 🔥
Taycan is soooooooooo much more beautiful and much better put together than Tesla.
Besides all the excuses made for the M3P being slower - 'it's half the price' (actually where I live it isn't half the price, it's considerably more than that) you can't judge a car just by watching a video, that's ludicrous. The way the chassis feels, the controls, the quality of the interior and body and paint, all these things are very important tangibles which affect the ownership experience.
You can pretend those things don't matter, but obviously in the real world they do. Mind you, the Porsche is too expensive for many folks to buy, I get that, but don't try to make it seem like it isn't the better car.
Tesla fanboys only care about numbers on a spec sheet.
I've been watching Porsche racing at LeMans ect since i was a kid, i would expect no less then excellent track performance for such a race experienced brand, especially for the money. But i got to give credit to Tesla's team, with no racing experiance and on their first try they hang very well with a Tycan, Bravo Tesla.
All they need is to analyze Porsche's suspension and track setup and imitate it, then iterate, no point reinventing the wheel, and if you wanna learn might as well learn from the best.
Fair point. Personally, I think the Tesla (or other brands) engineers are capable of producing better track cars, but they also know these are primarily street-driven. Porsche has a customer base that likes more track-purposed tuning, and so their cars arrive like that from the factory. I remember for years, when people said Toyota/Lexus couldn't build fun cars, then they came out with the LFA. They always knew how, but it's a very niche demographic of people who actually buy cars like this AND track them.
er... "'stretch' their legs a bit" ? 'opening' has rather different connotations!
Great fun!
you can actually fix model 3 by modifying the suspension for thousands dollars which is way cheaper than Taycan
well, you can overtune any $60k 3.0l turbo car and make them faster than $130000 model s plaid
@@user-op7vy5ny4r yes, and rebuild the engine every 10,000 miles
Ummm, 0.1% of either will EVER be taken to a track, so which is the best daily driver? Which will last 500,000 miles? Which is best for long trips?
Reality is calling.
put kW V3 on the Tesla and then try again
What did you expect from a vehicles that costs three or four times more than the other?
It doesn't.
Not a proper comparison. Price of the cars is not similar. 4S Should compare with model S plaid. Pricing wise is a lot closer.
M3 Performance is a third of the price and just 3 sec slower? The Model S Plaid will destroy the Porsche and still cost a lot less
No doubt M3 is a great value for its performance, but 3 seconds difference on such a short circuit is a lot, and bear in mind the Taycan is much heavier too, about 200kg or so. Also, as he said, the Taycan could go quicker than that with a bit more practice 9:48 .
@@Kelveron Minor upgrades will do wonders to the Model 3 platform though, Taycan already comes pretty loaded with them out of the box, which is nice but means not as much room for improvement by comparison.
Model 3 is also better at endurance racing, it's a nimble little cheetah:
ua-cam.com/video/Qs6LcEO9tyg/v-deo.html
1st - 5th place Model 3
6th place Taycan
This result was replicated multiple times on that racing event, other videos can be found on the channel.
third of price??? HMM, 3 Perfomrance is about £65k wile you could specify Tycan 4S for £95k?
@@piotrn6780 i specced a taycan couple of times and never ended up under 160.000. noone will buy a naked version under 100.000 with practically all interesting or necessary things being extras as always with porsche. but ok say double ... 😎
main thing is I simply think the M3P is not the same league as taycan pricewise and also by nature, that is the plaid and so that should be the comparison. you also dont compare the lotus elise or alpine 110 with the Poesche 911 .
@@piotrn6780 You would need the top end Taycans to be competitive, the low-end one can be easily beat even by the slower and larger Model Y performance:
ua-cam.com/video/xNT20UGlNO8/v-deo.html
(Note: Edmunds sucks, pay to play journalism, but this one was ok)
Folks buy the low-end Taycan for the looks and badge prestige, but you really need to look at the high-end to get this kind of performance.
Poor Kate...! 🤢
From 10.15 the review's wrap up gives a clear winner. The Porsche in every area. The only surprise to me was the Tesla not breaking down during the test.
TWICE the Price of the Tesla?!! Dear God....do Porsche dealers wear stripey shirts and masks...?!
I know I say this all the time, I love that 4S
It’s great!
What is that stupid noise the Porsche makes?
60k$ vs 120k$ and... 3 sec ^^
Lol ;)
Tesla 1 : 0 Porsche
the ugly cheapest car is just lighter nothing more. i don't want it for free. there like 10 mp3 in my street
Overpriced car
Tesla the ugliest cars in the world
Why are all electric drivers shit..... There like fast 0-60 then we'll slow around corners. I embarrass them in my 1.6 diesel. I've taken 2 electric cars for test drive Tesla and iconic 5 and broke both within 20 mins and then I got questioned by the dealers if I took them on the track? The road is my track why would I pay extra.
You must be an amazing driver WOW. What a hero.
But seriously what a naive pathetic comment. Not sure why you made the effort.
Enjoy your 1.6 diesel. Just don’t moan about fuel costs or when it goes wrong (which if it’s a VW group 1.6 engine, it almost certainly will, very soon)
Bye
@@RSEV what's amazing about driving like a god that's normal for me. It's not pathetic comment more than pathetic than you look.
I will never moan about fuel cost because I work in construction I just Rob it. Can't really Rob electricity without getting caught.
Electric cars is all lie about the emissions and bull shitting people.
I'll take things that didn't happen for 5 please Bob.
dude, you embarrassed yourself with that comment 😀
@@romansenger2322 what because electric cars are shit?
2 comments. 1. Previously we have seen the M3LR faster acceleration from 30+mph than M3P so would’ve been good to see this comparison around the track. 2. Surely based on cost, May be you should’ve brought out the bigger brother Model S Plaid to go against the Porsche - similar costing cars 🤔
The plaid already beat the Taycan at the Nurburgring even with the older top speed limiter. The margin would even be larger now
@@BasementTracks The Plaid was a racingprepped car, not a standard Plaid, The Taycan a standard Turbo S with normal roadtyres.. So the timing was invalid.