NEW BMW i4 //M50 first trip! incl v Tesla Model 3P - efficiency, real range test comparison review.
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- Опубліковано 4 чер 2022
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Our new BMW i4 //M50 is straight out of the box and to work! Today my trip takes me to Amersham to collect a Tesla Model 3 Performance … so it’s a perfect chance to compare the two!
Both on 20” wheels, we can drive these side by side at the same time on the same roads and the same speed and get a true real world efficiency comparison in head to head conditions.
Plus I start this day with the BMW only having 35 miles on the clock so it’s a chance to give it a run out and give my first impressions / review. It’s been a while since I had the use of a press car for a couple days, much warmer weather, so maybe the efficiency will be better and it will be interesting to consider how the BMW is to live with…
These are two very fast electric sports cars but with a decent dose of family practicality.
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I've received mine in mid-may and actually ended up selling M3P and keeping the i4 M50. Those 20" really kill the range, I'm driving it on the 18" 858 rims and the range is simply amazing, driven back from Belgium into NL today, 18.5c, dry, some side wind, 110-140kmh with some sprints to 160kmh, 280km driven over about 2.5 hours (yeah there was like 10min traffic as well), and a consumption of 17.9kwh / 100km - this is really good.
what's your avg range estimate on 18 inch please????
Summer time on my i4 m50 19 inch rims 25 Celsius on high way speed 110-120 I can go close 500. Around 17kw/h/100 consumption.
Nice car no question but it’s hard to see at £75k. Range poor, 230miles on 100% and preconditioned…that’s 184 miles with 80% in mild weather. For this money it should at least match the “3” Performance for range never mind the Long Range 3.
If you want 300 mile range simply go for the cheaper 40 variant. I don't see the problem.
Tesla M Performance is fitted with four 235mm wide tyres on 20 inch which is less even than BMW standard spec 19’ that have 245front 255rear.
BMW has two options of 20 inch:
Symons has 868s that are 255mm front and 285mm rear. These give a -16% range loss compared to standard 19’ 245/245mm rims.
There is the 20’ 862 wheel option (245f 255r) that give -5% range compared to 19’ standard wheels.
So expect at least -20% range only due to different tyre widths between the Tesla and BMW on 20 inch wheels.
If you then want to compare efficiency (apples to apples) you add -30% for weight difference.
@@durlacher1826 you don’t see the problem ! I don’t think you own an EV do you ?
Charging is only fast between 20 and 80% SOC.
So if your car ( non Tesla 😂) only has a “real “ mile range … that puts you into the “slow” parts of the battery charging envelope!
@@maxflight777 What's your point? The 20-80% rule is also true for Teslas. I've driven many different EVs and unlike you also outside of the Tesla universe. That's how I know that Hyundai, BMW and others aren't stuck in 2014 anymore. You can get super efficient EVs other than Tesla with some of them having better charging performance even and the super charger network is also becoming less and less of a competitive advantage. There's a guy that drove his i4 down to Croatia without issues and he managed 4 miles per kWh - something which you claim is impossible (/watch?v=WBGVvJ_4hMw). I'm not the one making baseless assumptions here - that's you.
@@maxflight777 curve, not ‘envelope’. 🙄
Always great vídeos !!
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Brasil
Thanks for another great update video
I was chosing between i4, Model 3 and Polestar 2. I picked Polestar 2 with performance pack even though it's made in China because BMW pricing is out to lunch and that front end is so UGLEE. Model 3 was great but no rebates but that's my second choice.
I got a Volvo XC40 EV which is very similar and pre ordered the i4 at the same time. The Volvo is a great car, Android Auto Route planning is one of the best. However SW is very buggy, Volvo never delivered in Apple Car play as promised and my phone App doesn’t work. My i4 is waiting for its boat ride to the US.
The front from the i4 looks absolutely stunning especially in the black colour. Polestar looks second best and Model 3 looks the worst for me. Theres no angle where the M3 really shines for me.
Great video mate
I'm looking forward to more reviews
Another great, informative video.
That's a nice Dacia you have there, at the beginning of the video. Proud to be Romanian. 🙃
Great video, as always!
Keep up the good work!
Cheers!
Great to show also Kmh/100. I have Model 3 LG on order and first it showed June, then November and now December-January. I really like how efficient it was when I used it for 6 months. BMW shoud build all electric platform first so the car would have more inside space and front trunk.
Really useful video! The BMW did slightly better on range than I expected, which bodes well for my own 40 edrive order. I’m really interested in the autopilot features (I spec’d that) and how easy it is to use the tech (scares me a bit!).
I think the comparisons (real world) with the Tesla are particularly interesting. Will continue to watch with great interest.
Another great video Richard, I guess if you want the range as always you will need to sacrifice performance and go for the 40 version of the BMW. £75k does feel like alot of money.
You won't sacrifice actually, RWD is very fast for daily driving
And efficient as tesla, see here
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As others have said, the 862i styling 20" wheels are 255 back and 245 front, still wider than teslas performance wheels but much more reasonable also dont requier that fender flare and should close the gap a bit in terms of efficiency...
Result is no surprise. Cool cars. Both of them
I think it's also the extra tire width and the wheel arch extensions that kill efficiency in your i4. You can get a 20 inch option in the i4 configurator with 35 miles additional range.
Yes, but in either case, even with the huge 285 section tires, the i4 meets its 227 Mi EPA rating. With the 19" wheels, plenty of reviews show it equaling or surpassing 270 miles and the overrated M3P. Remember, BMW is conservative. The Tesla M3P is supposed to be like 1/2 second quicker 0-60, when in real life they are within a .10-.20 second difference. Also, i4 M50 definitely beats the M3P 0-200kmh, and 100-200kmh. Believe it or not, that 100-200kmh acceleration is probably much more real life to me than drag racing from a stop in which it is a drivers race anyways. If the BMW gets the one to two tenth of a second jump, the Tesla won't catch it. I had a Model YP next to me and he couldn't even catch up to my front bumper at any time even from a dead stop to 70mph.
@@hotrod182 The recent Norway test (by NAF) had the 19" i4 50 at 521.1 km of range till stop, the Tesla Y LR at 545 km and the 18" i4 40 at a whopping 583.6 km. 👍
Whats the tyres width of Tesla?
BMW 868s 20’ have 255/285mm and they decrease range with -16% compared to 19’ 245/255mm
@@abraxastulammo9940 Yes it can be really efficient when configured accordingly. It has a huge delta between the most and least efficient variant. Model 3 variants are all much closer together when it comes to range.
Richard. you keep brining up the firmer ride of the Teslas. Have you noticed that the ride gets less firm as the car builds mileage? I certainly feel that has happened on my MIC Model 3 SR+ now that it has around 7000 kms. I'm looking forward to seeing if it continues to smooth out.
Imagine trying to drive across Europe in a car like this BMW ! Stressful, due the (complete omission of ) trip planning and the pitiful range.
I regularly drive my Tesla between st Malo and the Algarve without any stress.
It’s actually a joy (thanks to the comfort and incredible sound system) and I look forward to the trips!
Like I said, hope you car comparing the M3P performance to the 530+HP I4 M50, because in that case, Car and Driver and others got more range with the BMW than the Tesla. Furthermore, out here in California, many of the the Tesla Charging stations have hour long waits, while the EA station next door is empty. Doesn't sound like a stress free Tesla experience to me.
Tesla 20’ runs on 4 x 235mm - so >20% more range only due to thinner tyres.
Go for the 19’ with 245f 255r and you get +19% more range (20’ 868 on M50 give -16% range compared to standard 19’. 1/0,84=19%)
@@hotrod182 The waits at Superchargers is a gross exaggeration. I make routine trips from Bay Area to LA and only had to wait one time at the Burbank service center back in 2014. There are definitely crowds during peak periods in urban areas, and during the big holiday weekends at more remote stations, but I would guess waiting for an hour is extremely, extremely rare -- I've never experienced it.
@@hotrod182 I used the superchargers last month, for a trip from San Diego to LAX and didn’t experience that !
Well balanced video Richard. I have driven a demo M50. Absolutely ballistic. How would you recommend financing one, PCP, lease or salary sacrifice? Delivery looks to be an issue.
hi how much does the battery drain when in a bad winter
Loved the classic red Corvette!
Exactly!! To hell with this ev shoite
I ordered an i4 eDrive 40 M Sport (quite a mouthful). Chose that over the M50 for the substantially lower weight, better range, and reportedly better driving dynamics. The front is ugly, which is a reason to own one since you can’t see the front when driving. I’m disappointed that the M Sport trim, which is necessary to get the best suspension, requires upsized 19” wheels. I don’t mind ugly 18s since they’re also not visible to the driver and add about 7% range over the 19s. I hope the aftermarket will eventually offer lightweight forged and aero 18s for this car to mate with EV-specific, but not too terrible tires.
Interesting video, Richard, am keeping an eye on updates.... My i4 M50 is due to be with me within around 6 weeks or so (fingers crossed) and so these videos build the excitement! Quite local to you, BH22, so particularly enjoy local landmarks (McDonald's at Picket #lol)
Great video Richard let me know if you want to sell that model 3 😉
21 inch Wheels because you might sometime maybe go to the track is like me buying a camper van (for my main drive) cause I might go camping maybe this year .And all the while efficiency is the main concern.
I like the big wheels… I usually have the big wheel option. 💁♂️ what can I say, personal preference. As I point out I AM aware of the fact they will be detrimental to efficiency
Is this a fair comparison though? I stand corrected, how about the BMW VS Model S/plaid?
Thanks for doing miles to km conversion.
When you think about how old the Model 3 is it is amazing comparison in mid-2022.
15 degrees is quite pleasant? In Sydney it gets to that in Winter now and we are all cold and complaining. We don't cope well with weather under 20 degrees
😂 the start of summer for us!
It’s now 25c and we have a weather warning 😂
Does the tow bar option include a pre-wired harness?
It does yes
Having the front of the BMW as all black it actually looks good (never thought I’d say that) 😂👍
Less bad!
Tesla owner for a year now. no complaints. Previously owned many BMWs. I actually think 'we' should open up some of the charging network to non-Teslas. My main concern is - for example, something that happened to me a couple of weeks ago on a business trip to Holland. There were 2 non Teslas charging when I arrived at a Supercharger. (One i3 & an Audi from memory) They were actually blocking 4 bays - so unless the charging port is on the 'correct' side couldn't there be some sort of female to male charging cable extender cable that these owners could purchase to avoid this issue? Also, the Supercharger cables are quite short so this might help with this issue too?
Think id still pick the tesla as not a bmw fan,great content
Thanks for showing km :)
Here in Israel unfortunately they priced the BMW i4 M50 around 600,000 NIS (160K) compared to Tesla M3P at 300,000 ($88,000). So the M50 is not really affordable here. And now. hearing about range, I'll keep it at the local BMW dealership and keep enjoying my M3P :)
Ordered mine 12 months ago and still don’t have it, comes this week though, looking forward to it but range / charging is poor by comparison to 3
no link sack him lol.. Good video guys. Thanks.
So about 160 miles if you use 10-80%? What's the 10-80% recharge time like?
Also what's the kickdown like if you are in eco mode and you need to rapidly pass or avoid something?
it's very fast in eco mode too. Excessive I would say, that's why I consider edrive40
@@KDR816 that is good to hear. Comparatively the Korean EV's are not stellar in eco mode. That is one of the best qualities that tesla has - they are very efficient, but the power is always on. edrive40 looks like a compelling car.
Another great video Richard.
Given the efficiency of the BMW, I think it would be interesting to see it compared to the Jag I-Pace which was arguably the first premium non Tesla EV.
I agree … Jaguar made a good “fist of it “…. But it’s an ultra complicated and competitive game
Why didn't they update it to Lotus Eletre like specs?
Please see how efficient the i4 RWD is
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This is one of BEST EV car Channel.
Do you think if BMW build this on M5 would be way better? M5 have more Rear seat head room, leg room and Sun curtains!! I honest think BMW should do it on M5 not M4
I would like to see the range with 19” tires
Thanks for the content Richard, I do enjoy your videos. I do have a question which is not related to this video if I may ask. I would like to buy a sacond hand tesla from to make sure I am buying a quality car. If there is no a car that I am after available on your website, potentially do you have a practice to let's say I would like this an that and if you come across such a car to get it for me. I look forward to hearing from you. Kind regards.
We try and but it’s hard to keep up with demand. Closely following socials for new arrivals and the website is key! 🤞
@@RSEV thank you for your reply I will keep an eye on your website
Good review however feels that highway mileage tests are for a small percentage of ‘sales people’
Town traffic is where these cars will be with most people I feel, yup start, stop, lights, bumper to bumper so a 8/10ths town and 2/10ths city driving comp I feel would be more applicable to most people.
Keep up the good work. 👍🏻
Bmw will loose there even more due to its weight in addition to lower efficiency
How would it pull away when its limited to 155 and the M3P isn't?
I think you know what I mean… 🤦♂️
i4 M50's 400kg higher weight clearly has an impact on it being less efficient than the Model 3P. I think the i4 40, which is about 150kg lighter than the M50 (no AWD gear etc) is quite a bit more efficient than the M50, though not as fast.
Yeah the bmw not being a ground up ev has all to do with its efficiency
@@borshardsd But it is 5th generation drivetrain so it does not make a big difference anymore. ☺️
@@abraxastulammo9940 can't argue that. No need for any competition to try hard if bmw is just tossing electric motors into ice designed vehicles. Makes me giggle knowing the battery is bigger and range is less.
Not at 75mph. It has almost zero difference there, I would say less than 0.5%
@@marcusbiller867 drag coefficient is already higher with the M50 so you will see more consumption
The black colour hides the grille quite nicely. In black, the i4 doesn't look as jarring as it does in lighter colours. The more I see it in black spec, the more I like it. Especially when combined with that beautifully gorgeous red interior. Thanks for the short but informative video Rich.
100% black hides that grill. Doable in black but not in any other colour. 🖤🖤🖤
Why do I need to buy black to hide the ugly on my $80K car. Ugly will always be ugly.
So i need to spend $1500 extra for black to hide the ugly grill? WTF!
@@Dark_Vader888 🤣 I think there should be a “traditional grill” or “Beaver grill” option hey.
$1,500 for a BMW option i$ not rare….German car$ & their expen$ive option$ are legendary…🤣
@@user-gw5rs7fp9j I agree friend. Im not bmw hater, i owned a few but my eyes do not decieve me about the styling. I want to love it but it repulses me. So strange.
I know everyone is tired of white/black, but damn does the i4 m50 look sleek in black sapphire metallic, especially since it helps blend in those oversized kidney grilles. I think black or brooklyn grey are the way to go for these cars if you dont want to shell out top dollar for the frozen blue.
One side note: if you buy a new M3P today you will not get the Panasonic 82kWh anymore. The new cars will the the LG 79kWh battery pack that we got to know from the 2022 M3LR and 2022 MYLR/MYP.
Where is the new and improved 4680?!
@@abraxastulammo9940 only to be found in the MY Standard Range AWD out of Texas. Probably whole Model Y range thereafter and M3 much later.
The Dacia at the start of the video
Interested to see what your view is when it’s on track, seen a couple of videos of it under-steering badly!
2400kg … it’s guaranteed under steer !
Tesla really do have the balance here , smaller batteries , less weight , better driving experience…
(But their strong efficiency guarantees the class leading range )
Looking forward to track too but not expecting too much… but to compare to Taycan and model 3 would be good.
However what I would say is that it’s the only one out of those three where you can quickly tap off stability assist and kick the back around with a bit of throttle punch.
Tesla can drift but you have to stop the car, engage track mode first
people dont the buy a heavy GT car like M50 to run on a track
@@kingsterre but people will take it on track because it’s a M bmw and will be disappointed as they are supposed to be the ultimate driving machine!!!
If polestar can make a very good handling electric car why hasn’t bmw!!
@@adamgentil2195 No you are wrong - this is not a i4M (not a single digit M car such as M3 or M4). That might be launched later.
Do you think owners of x6 M50 or x7 M50 think of driving on tracks?
M performance cars or more of GT cars combining high comfort with high power performance - not track oriented
Having come out a G05 X5 into my MY, I do miss aspects of the BMW interior. They definitely feel like a class above, I know motoring journalists seem to love Audi interiors but BMW have it nailed in the current generation of cars. There is a bit of a price differential between the Tesla and BMW though, which has to be considered and I can’t fault fit and finish in my MY.
That i4 M50 is stunning. Beautiful spec! I'd have it over the M3P.
Realistically, although poorer range, few people are likely to do that mileage in a day or without at least stopping for a break in the vicinity of a car charger. The BMW is a nicer, more refined place to be and looks less like an EV which a lot of manufacturers are missing a trick on.
Have a look how great the efficiency is on RWD/18" wheels
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its a heavy pig that has nothing to do with being M car. Tesla will easily outperform it around the track. Also, supercharger network is all for Tesla. Germans need at least 5 more years to keep up.
👍😊I can see exciting times ahead thank you 2 amazing cars. BUT NO FROUNK IN THAT LONG NOSE WHAT IS BM THINKING? 🤣
That's what happens when you don't build a proper electric car platform, BMW been completely lazy.....
@@Displays.1234. Wrong, there is room for a frunk if they desired. BMW probably is very conservative and worried about items in a frunk affecting things like real life crash safety, etc. There is a video of an i4 edrive 40, and the guy took off the over and put his whole travel case in the gap.
@@warrenmatsui5094
Are you being serious?
Nice try....... (I'm kidding)
Great video. The i4 40 is going to be their top seller. But still quite pricey with add ons
From what i read so far most people ordering the m50. Looks like power is more important than range for most people.
Meanwhile i drive my i40 with less than 16kWh/km incl. lots of German Autobahn. My daily 270km trip consumes around 51% battery. Since i come from 150hp it's still fast enough for me.
@@hashtag_fu how do you feel about the acceleration? Is it similar to a 535?
@@antbull0749 acceleration is pretty good. On wet roads out of a roundabout the rear is telling u there's plenty of power. No need for kick down. Can't compare to 535,cuz didn't drive that yet
People worry about build quality of Teslas, but I doubt that is an issue any more with Berlin. Personally, I would take a bit less luxury in order to get more sophisticated technology, which is partly the point of an electric car, so the Tesla is a winner for me.
The Shanghai built cars are perfect 👍
8:25 - The BMW i4 is a petrol hybrid. I’m curious how it will compare to the Tesla once BMW commits to making a pure EV.
It’s fully Electric
Another great, realistic, trustworthy and polished video! Many thanks from a Kiwi to Jo for his time, hospitality, good humour and knowledge when we cold-called to the offices recently. The enthusiasm and desire to be the best they can be came shining through!! Was an honour, thank you 🤗
Thank you for your kind words and I’ll also feed this back to Jo 🤝
I thought that efficiency would be closer. I checked loads of response from M50 owners and they report better efficiency. But you did everything they do, eco mode, cruise control on. I know that Tesla has better consumption but difference here is not that small really.
Yes and he also uses less efficient wheels too.
@@alanmay7929
Squeeze that lemon! 😂
@@rogerstarkey5390 are you the BFI!? it’s getting a bit boring isn’t it!? Are you ok!? Do you need help!?
Rich when you worked out the Mls/kwh was the difference in car weight taken into account?
Why would you need to account for the weight ? It uses what it uses. It's as simple as that You can't penalise another car just because it's lighter. It's still the car you can be driving around in.....
@@callumcurtis15
It's called "reaching"...... An increasingly frequent phenomenon. 😉
The test should surely have been a test of a standard I4 M50 on the 19" none cost wheels against a standard Tesla Model 3 Performance.
The I4 M50 with 20" wheels is expected to achieve 265 miles by BMW but in the test it achieved 230 i.e. 86.7% of the range BMW predicted. Using the same metrics for a standard 19" model would presumably indicate an achieved range of 86.7% of 315 miles = 273 miles so the same as the Model 3 P.
The P comes with 20" standard, no 19 option in Europe due to breaks size
As I said on your other video, you don't HAVE to have the 20 inch wheels to get the bigger brakes (M technology pack), it's just necessary to get the right rims. You can have the same with 19's 861M rims as well. Check the configurator.
Well it always changed to the 20’s when that pack was selected.
But I like the big wheels anyway. Always a sucker for that 💁♂️
@@RSEV Yeah, they look great. How tiresome is the red color in the interior? I really love it, but I'm thinking it would make me get tired of it. I'm between that and tartufo.
BMW need to catch up the Tesla Speed 3.1 second 0-60 and Range! Also the lane keep driving ability and it's only $56000 USD now lol BMW i4 M50 same spec in video probably 80k USD
Well doing a quick like for like price comparison I can see the i4 M50 costs a whopping 15% more than the M3 Performance. 59,990k vs 70,500k. The i4 might have 763 leather hue options and 1,054 differing indicator stalk preferences to choose from but it's way to expensive for such miserly range. I am not sure where the 75k for the i4 comes from.
Get RWD it is similar price to top spec TM3 and has same efficiency. Also ask BMW for a discount, they can do it
See this test of the i4 efficiency
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@@KDR816 I agree that Tesla do not discount, such is the demand for their vehicles, and BMW will make a deal - so it is certainly worth pointing out what else can be bought for less money and make them sweat a bit. I personally would not pay the same money for a car without AWD. It makes no sense to me. The efficiency looks good on the video link but still not as good as a RWD Model 3. I think in fairness though the i4 seems to be a slightly larger car. All BMW need to do now is roll out a global supercharging network and they are in the game.
@@ouethojlkjn I am from Russia, moved several years ago to Germany. My car has 2 modes 2WD and AWD. In Russia in some snowy days I was using it. When no snow, despite the winter I was on 2WD. In Germany I've never turned AWD on (Munich). Otherwise it's like wearing a condom just in case 🙂
@@KDR816 Well you are right in what you say but Tesla has AWD because it has other benefits other than traction in the snow. Any EV, even one with just Rear wheel drive, will have better traction than most AWD ICE cars. This is because they do not have a viscous coupling or other element in the drive train that does not work well in transferring motive force from a constantly rotating shaft to the wheels. AWD helps with overall efficiency and longevity of the drive train plus less stress on the drive train for performance. This is why AWD EVs do not offer the option to turn AWD on or off - it serves no purpose.
Your a lucky boy, Richard - get to try all sorts of machine's. Love BMW'S but with Tesla at least u don't have to deal with sleazy sales reps😂🧐🤐
Actually BMW has direct sales now, you can ordered over the website. But sales rep can give you a discount, Tesla's website cannot!
Holy shit so many reasons to buy the Tesla but just one reason to buy the BMW: finer interior quality. Eff that, I want the much cheaper, quicker, faster, lighter, more nimble car with an actual charging network. Without the button controls out of hell.
The Tesla is the better car.
The German car enthusiasts used to go on about how advanced their cars were, now they go how comfortable they are.
The BMW is 500kg heavier, 15,000 pounds more expensive and have much less range and are slower yet they still buy them.
That 500kg will wreak havoc medium term on the mechanicals, Tesla’s last many hundreds of thousands of miles no problem
I've had an i4 M50 konfigured at €93k and the salesperson told me there is a queue of about 12-18 months (end of March 2022), so I opted to order an Model 3 Performance for €65k (due to delivery in September). Both great cars but the wait is just ridiculous for the i4 :/ And to this day, Tesla's efficiency is just insane - especially in "Autobahn" speeds as you put it ;)) also a big big big negative for the m50 is it's speed limit at 225kph - I understand that for other countries but ... my very first BMW 320i E36 was quicker than that; it's not like I want to drive 250 all the time but I want the option to do so when I'm allowed; that's imo still the biggest selling factor for Teslas, then again this might a German thing only :)
the 320i e36 had a too speed of 214kph… regardless what the speedo said
@@hardywoodaway9912 by that logic, the proclaimed 225 will be 220 ... yeah that makes it a lot better :) super fast car for 93k
Your Tesla may be due in September, but their delivery dates are slipping by up to 6 months..
And if you watch the videos of the M50, it is cruising at it's artificially limited top speed of 140mph at only 50% throttle. And if you are racing a Tesla M3P, the race will already be over by 140mph, as the BMW is pulling much harder at those speeds.
@@DavidBrown-bs7gg The cheaper the trim level, the longer the wait for delivery. The Model 3P earliest delivery date is June 2022 (in northern California area).
Non bad for not pure EV based car :)
According to Throttle house, I4M50 used 120km of range from a ~45km trip in winter. It just shows how shit the m50 is in terms of weight and range. Other than those two amazing car
Actually see this video, it shows the i4 is quite efficient
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Fantastic review as normal.
Range on 20 in wheels generally as expected.
Glad I ordered mine with 19in even though the 20’s look amazing.
My delivery date is now mid July and ordered last September.
I can’t wait to get this car and send my Tesla back to the lease company.
Looking forward the next video
I know it's a different class of car, however you should really check out the popular Kia e-Niro. I've just clocked over 10,000 miles in mine, and the average economy is sitting at 4.2 mi/kWh, and I drive a very healthy mix of motorway, A roads, and city roads. It's puts the I4 to shame really...
E-Niro, original Hyundai Ioniq and Tesla 3 SR are remarkably efficient cars!
@@RSEV any theories as to why these are so much more efficient than others? The niro is quite a big family car and packs a solid 201bhp... It's not built as an EV from the ground up either. It's baffling to be honest
@@yitzele Board computer consumption is only one thing. Maybe reviewers should calculate actual energy spent and not just blindly trust board computers: ua-cam.com/video/kQwHrcgHNao/v-deo.html
Not that this video is also 100% accurate but it indicates that just trusting board computers can deceiving at times.
dear.Like it.p rofessional ,see u around~
So glad you showed the i4M50 and M3P side by side in the same colour (great choice to hide the “baboon butt” grill on the beemer by the way).
To me it looked like the future parked beside an attempt to remain relevant. It’s almost like BMW are trying capture a new market without alienating their traditional customer base. Still, I guess they needed to put a stopgap in the sedan market while they develop a true EV platform.
Pros:
- Leather interior looks comfortable, and UI looks cleaner than some other legacy cars I've seen, that's good.
- Comfortable suspension, BMW tend to go more "sporty" suspension, but looks like this one is geared more toward a smoother ride. I don't mind a sporty feel, but I do prefer a medium balance personally, so this may be a good middle ground approach with the hybrid mechanical + air suspension setup.
- Good noise isolation. It probably costs in terms of weight but it seems the balance here was tasteful, worth the tradeoff.
Cons:
- Built on a shared platform with ICE, so not an optimized EV design, that sacrifices some interior/storage space and efficiency in return for less factory retooling costs. We see signs of that in the high weight of the car and the need for a bigger battery pack yet still less range on the table - though one cannot discount the effect of software optimization playing a role here in favor of Tesla's platform, the "Silicon Valley" advantage if you will.
- Internals are a bit old school. Clunky retro controls in the age of iPads.
- Apple Carplay is nice, but oftentimes used as a bandaid when the car itself lacks solid enough built-in infotainment features to stand on its own.
- BMW really need to reign in this big kidney grill fetish of theirs lol.
Allan … well said ! I agree totally
only thing I’d say is the previous e-niro wasn’t an EV bespoke platform but was one of the most efficient EVs out there. So its not a guarantee of poor efficiency. From what I’ve seen online, the M50 just seems like a poor car if you want range - the 40 seems to be a much better balance of still good performance but better range (on smaller wheels too). But if you don’t need the range and want the performance (and if you’re used to M ICE cars you’ll be used to filling it up fairly often), then this may appeal. I’d have seriously considered the 40 if it was 50k with more toys, but was 53k base and a lot of needed options so just too rich for me. maybe the next one will be a little more sensibly priced
"Internals are a bit old school. Clunky retro controls in the age of iPads."
And thank god for that. This is absolutely a pro in my opinion.
@@caerphoto It's certainly subjective yes.
I think they're going for an older or more traditional buyer, which kinda makes sense for an executive focused product.
But like Blackberry's old "executive" phones with tactile keyboards, the tradeoff was a tiny screen vs iPhone, as well as much less flexibility and future proofing.
It's nice to have vehicles that don't lose their values as soon as they leave the dealer's lot.
But it's a choice for consumers, and nothing wrong with having that in a free market.
I like how they are starting to call all driving assistance autopilot. Tesla autopilot is the ipad of cars
There's something a little bit embarrassing about spending 75,000 pounds on a shiny BMW and having to pull into a Tesla branded charge point. It's an instant admission that your car is behind the times. Sitting there charging up with all the Tesla branding around you and a bunch of Tesla nerds to keep you company.
The 20” rims significantly impact range. With 19” rims you get close to 300 miles in real
Life
The difference on range between 20“ and 19“ ist not 70 miles. It’s maybe 5-10% of total range.
@@bollebob1991 20” gets you 230 mile…
19’s gets you 280miles. And unlike Teslas you actually get more miles than indicated. Where’s teslas give you significantly less.
You would be better comparing that Dacia Sandero against it. In LPG form it will kick that BMW into touch for value for money and range (Pence per mile bearing in mind 50p per kWh is average price you pay at the pumps now.) You could buy 5 Dacias for the same money each with 100000 miles 6 year warranty. Who in reality want to pay 70k for a car.
Like you said, Richard, no major surprises in the efficiency result on this twin-test...
But, what a great-looking car the i4 M50 is... especially in black... WOW...! 😎
You will be surprised by efficiency of the RWD, see here
ua-cam.com/video/XTuevL6HD08/v-deo.html
Its hilariously heavy 🤣
That's what you get for trying to reuse your ICE platforms..
The customer pays for the inefficiency, larger battery pack and a stupid transmission tunnel bump in the rear on a 75k car 🤣
i4 edrive40 on 19" is incredibly efficient. Very same as Tesla. I test drove it for 1 day, consumption is the same as Tesla M3 for real. Tunnel doesn't really bother me. But it helps making the rear sit higher, in Tesla you sort of squatting
@@KDR816 Sure, but I can guarantee you one thing, there's no way to mask that weight. I found the Model 3 to feel significantly heavier than my BMW 340i around corners, and thats ~200kgs more than my car. It doesn't help that the M3 is noiseless and builds speed like a rocket, so you never really realize how fast you're going until you're already mid corner 🥵
My takeaway from the Model 3 was its near perfect, just needed to lose ~200-300kgs (easier said than done, I know), and even longer range for US road tripping. A real world 400 mile range car, or 350mile range at 75% SOC means you can drive for 4 hrs and stop for 20 mins at a supercharger. The base Model 3 was doing 150 miles for every 20 min stop (5 ppl+ luggage + aggressive driving)
But the extra weight from all the extra things such as air, adaptive suspension, etc, are what makes the BMW feel much more solid and premium. The BMW has the same range if on the same width tires, if not better than the Tesla according to several reviews.
@@hotrod182 Matching the same range took BMW 15kwh more in batteries, the addedweight and cost. No amount of suspension magic can defeat the laws of physics around a corner. Top priority for EVs is achieving just about an acceptable range for the least weight, so the metric to watch is miles/kwh and overall weight. Maybe then, a BMW EV can become an ultimate driving machine again 🤔
@@MADMAX7330 Avik, get yourself a cheaply built cardboard box go kart with a tablet on the dash and be happy then. In the meanwhile, things that really matter to me like a premium feeling car , that is both quieter, better riding, and better equipped than the Model 3 are addressed by the BMW. And as you can see almost daily, people are saying the same thing. The BMW is the superior car. So get over it. Tesla had its time, but is now being equaled or surpassed by more desirable EVs. I only need a car that will go 40 miles a day, and even occasional 600 mile weekends in my 154 mi EPA i3s were not a problem at all. The i4 will just be icing on the cake. Besides, it will be such a joy to pull up next to a Tesla at almost every intersection in my town with an i4 that may be the only one I see in my town all day long!
the i4 is $17k more than the performance model 3.
Range test set up for failure due to choosing the biggest and stickiest sport tyres? 😉
Yep. I do admit that at the beginning. But they’re both on 20” wheels at the end of the day
Charging customers 75k, come on bmw, put some heart to design a new platform specific for EV pls.
The annoying thing about traditional car manufacturers making EVs is that: they normally have terrible range.
That said, I love the interior of the EVs made by the likes of BMW, Mercedes & Audi: they feel like a place you would want to be.
Tesla needs to up their interior game, that said the tech in a Tesla is supreme.
Quarter mile: i4 M50 vs M3P
Super video Richard. Balanced.
The wheels and coloured leather interior on the BMW are gorgeous! What were Tesla thinking with those vile plastic trims on the MY ?
After 3 months with my Model Y I’m getting even deeper into the Tesla Clan. I utterly love it. (Aside from the plastic trims)
Thing is the BMW is just a car. A Tesla is something entirely different. Ist a device to maximize fun.
@@whynotstartusingyourbrain8726 "....a device to maximize fun"? 🤣🤣 You clearly haven't driven the i4. Or you are just a Tesla fan.
@@chillout1109 you are not getting it. The BMW is just a car. A Tesla is also a cinema on wheels, a rolling arcade, a romantic fireplace and so much more.
@@whynotstartusingyourbrain8726 Apple carplay or android? what you mentioned are gimmicks
@@briankavanagh7191 Apple car play was designed for cars that lack decent Infotainment. Utterly unnecessary in a Tesla.
You know…. It wouldn’t be as bad if the price for that 4 series converted into an EV wasn’t so much more money. It makes zero sense . Pay much more , deal with a dealership (order with phone then have car delivered to ur home! ), get less range , less tech , heavier car ? I mean , at least under cut the tesla in price by a little so ppl buying them don’t seem so ignorant. It’s just like paying $1500 for a blackberry phone instead of the $999 iPhone. What ? Why ? Who ? Lol.
Bmw a better looker ?
I'll still take tesla software and longer ev history than the bmw at this point. Model 3 all the way.
You cannot escape the laws of physics on real world range and doing an EV drivetrain swap on what is basically an ICE car will inevitably result in more weight than a ground up design - especially a Tesla. So similar in that respect to my Mercedes EQC 400 AMG Line which gets much the same sort of range and also now retails for nearly £73K (with a lot less extras than the M50i with the added packs) … quite an increase given it was £67K when I got it 12 months ago! Having said that I cancelled my Tesla order to get the EQC because personally I prefer comfort and premium brand styling, but if I was doing regular long trips then I think the Tesla is still the only option.
Lol….. it’s actually very possible to achieve more range on Ice platform converted to ev by using things like lighter materials more aluminum for example. Most ICE uses mainly steel and are still lighter than EVs because of the batteries.
The Mercedes’ EQC was a very bad execution of ICE to EV conversion. They put way tooo much features in that car and used a dedicated frame to contain the electric motors and components instead of using the normal ICE subframe for example. The solution is a mix of light materials.
@@alanmay7929
Keep trying. I need the Laughter!
@@rogerstarkey5390 yeah clown 🤡
previous/current e-niro is an ICE/hybrid/EV mixed platform but one of the most efficient EVs out there.
I was very close with ordering the i4 as I loved my 4 series I had a few years ago. But always wanted to a Tesla so ended up going with that. But I personally think the i4 looks lovely, don't mind the grills at all
I watched the whole video waiting for the tesla to move
He didn't update his model 3 boost or didn't say anything about it. You can make your model 3 faster by paying 2k usd.
It’s a model 3 Performance! Ie no boost option, it’s already the fastest
I'm a BMW guy but after a year I cannot reconcile with these ugly BMW EV's. The i4, iX, i7 are just so hideous and ugly. That Model 3 in low spec trim looks mediocre but in Performance trim looks great and would be my choice between these two. Other fanboys can go on about Tesla buuld quality but if you think BMW is some model of reliability, you're just a fake poster..
Than you will need to wait for the i5 which supposedly will look more traditional.
Agree the BMW is very unattractive. They need to fix this ugly car. Most of car is ok but ruined by that hideous grill. wow!
@@markuserbeldinger9674 👍 Please BMW 🙏
@Stuttgart Roy I ordered my i4 in black metallic with black shadow line. This way the front looks almost nice.
Summary this superfrog can travel further without eating than this beaver even though less comfortable at high speed
Why does the BMW have a great long bonnet but no frunk? Why does it have a transmission tunnel but no transmission? Why does it have rear cutouts for tail pipes but no tailpipes? Because it's a rushed fudge gas car they tried to make electric and is a monument to how unsophisticated consumers will pay more for an vastly inferior product if it has perceived status.
The more Teslas become undesirable, the happier I'll be 😀
... said my Insurance Company
Your soon to be "ex" insurance company?
BMW looks so much nicer than the Tesla, but loses out on pretty much everything else; price, range, charging
Mad how far ahead Tesla still are
And it seems undeniable how far..... Despite the rather weak attempts by some here? 😁
BMW i4 //M50
Price: From $65,900
Range: 270 miles
£75k eeeeek
BMW Better 👌🏾👍👍