How to ensure maintaining a precise 30° left bank turn: watching the moon magnificently lighting your right wing in the dark of the night. Great graphics. Great flying. Great landing. Cheers!
Offered before, but if you need any help from an actual US Navy CATCC controller let me know. All the procedures look spot on - except for we start at 21 miles, angels 6. Can help with amphib ops as well :)
These videos have completely changed how it is to interact with an aircraft in DCS. Its great to have a solid resource to go to and learn the ins and outs of a plane without doing hours of research. I hope you do videos like this (or have some other ED person do it) for other modules. I think it will greatly increase how likely people are to use the simulator!
Wags, as a DCS A-10C 'ground pounder' that really enjoys night landings in crappy weather I must say this scared the shit out me! You make this look too friggin easy as I'm still trying to get the AOA sorted out on the F/A-18. I learned 3 important things here: 1) I think I need a simulator for my simulator 2) Carrier based US Naval Aviators are gods 3) AF jet jockeys are pansies. Can't wait to see the foul weather Case III episode if my heart can take it! Thanks
Only thing missing is 10 ft swells, 20 kt gusts and a bouncing ball. :) I really appreciate these great tutorials on authentic carrier procedures so we can really get the most out of the sim. Thanks so much.
It should be in the advanced waypoint options in the ME for the carrier. you can add a new action and tell it so set ICLS to a certain freq. Basically like with tacan.
It'd be neat if we eventually see hooks making sparks from ramp strikes! (Just an idea. Either way this is pure awesome and I absolutely CANNOT WAIT to try it!)
You’ve got a voice for voiceovers! Might get this in the future. So many modules out that I’m still not proficient enough with. This would sit in the Hangar for months doing nothing if I purchased just now. Definitely one for the future though. Thanks.
If it's not the precision combat that I love about a flight sim it's the navigation. Something about locating and landing on something you cannot physically see using intruments.
Is there any way of determining what ILS channel to use at the moment? Is channel 11 standard for the Stennis at the moment or is it something that is set within the mission editor?
Could you add a link to the holding pattern at the start? Would be nice to be able to reference it while watching the video. :) (You can also do that in a 2nd tab@all)
Great video! One question, if you had not started approaching the carrier from the southwest, how would you know where it is ? tacan tells you distance but how would you know the heading of the ship?
Great video Wags. I am wondering, at the point where you come unto the "0 degree" to line up with the carrier and you set your course steering arrow, I was expecting to see the command steering mark on the heading tape to keep you on the 0 degree course before you transition to the ICLS guidance, but no command steering mark. It was a beauty to watch I must say, I would say it seems it is going to be simpler than the case 1 landing because it is straight- in landing.
it's made to be alot more simpler because you can't even see you runway the reason why they move the holding pattern out is because if you were to try a case 1 in a case 3 environment you would not be able to see the aft part of the deck (the white bar that most people use to turn) and you would just over shoot
Good job Matt! Do you think the GS needle and LOC needle should be longer? I noticed that both needles are longer in the real life HUD videos. Also, how does ATC doing during the power approach mode? Is it able to hold the correct AOA during approach? Thank you.
old video. But why not offset the final TACAN to 350 [000 MINUS 10]? To account for the deck heading? Seems you could have gotten "on the needles" easier or more quickly.
Nice job, Wags - having done many an unsuccessful CASE 1 landing (and few successful ones - just wish they were consistent!), I can appreciate the skills demonstrated.... One small thing: I think you said you set your RDR ALT at 1100 to alert you to anything below 1200, but it seems you set it at 110 (and that is when the alarm went off) - was that intentional?
Hey Wags, quick question for the DME arc; Would it be feasible to do the "turn 10, Twist 10" method for doing the arc? Or is it too small and the aircraft to fast to do it practically?
It doesn't work right at those speeds. When flying GA aircraft that are slower, that's a good way to fly an arc. Flying faster, you use differetne methods.
I'm attempting this mission in the latest update (as of 8JUN20) and everytime I talk to ATC is says I'm not authorized. Is this due to me not being in the marshall stack att or similar?
are you playing on the vr mode ? if so, whats your whole entire setup ? i just downloaded this after watching this and the f18 video and im pretty curious
Wags, excellent work demonstrating the Case III recovery process. Few questions for you- 1. Will we be able to set marshall stack options? IE-if we wanted to put that 25 mile fix from the CVN, is there a way for us to put it into the HSI? Or is that not an option? (Meaning people will actually have to fly :)) 2. You covered it brilliantly in the video, with the course offset as well as error on it. That said, is the HUD caged for the entire recovery for accuracy? Or is it similar in this instance where it stays caged until on the ball? 3. Once established at 5,000, what are you referencing for your arc? Sorry for the nit-noid stuff here...just inquiring minds would like to know. Excellent work sir.
1- No such option in the real HSI. Simple a case of assigned radial and altitude by mashal. 2- Yes, caged the entire time, I probably should have uncaged at 3/4 mile, 3- 15 nm DME.
Great video, Matt! Thanks! Question about a small detail. In the holding pattern, when performing the turns at 30 degree bank, you end up with a 90 second turn. Some sources say that you'd aim for a "half standard rate" turn (i.e 1.5 deg/sec, so 2 minutes for the 180), which I believe would be a ~25 degree bank. What's your thoughts on this? Thanks again for all the effort you put into learning and teaching us this stuff in an understandable and bite-sized way! :) (Another detail, which I'm sure you're already aware, is that the hud zulu time sometimes (not in every mission) changes minute at around 17 seconds instead of 00 seconds).
Can't wait for the patch(es). Almost every patch is a big event for me :D Quick question here: Transition to on-speed starts at around 6 or 5-ish nm when confirming needles, correct?
I am imagining creating a mission with all the marshal stack, ATC timing allocation and multiple AI aircraft with the mission editor. That will be one complex process I think. Is would be great if ED can give us one of such mission in Instant Action for this. Is the current Stennis carrier deck ready for multiple AI landing and parking now?
dude, the same thing always happens to me...the ball looks good pretty much until i pass over the ramp, then it just plummets down to red. Looking forward to trying this!
can someone PLEASE HELP ME the god damn tacan will not work, I setup the trigger in game I set my own frequency, but when I go to the ufc and enter my tacan , then hit tacan on the hsi literally nothing happens. its the same thing with ICLS it does the same thing .
On the UFC: Press TCN button - Press ON/OFF to turn tacan on ("ON" indicated on UFC scratchpad) - Clear out scratchpad - Input tacan channel - Press ENT. Simply pressing the TCN button will not turn it on. Also, you may input the tacan channel prior to powering on the tacan.
Hey Matt, I believe your DME arc is wrong, as you should have remained 12nm according the chart you put in, but it seems you kept extending out the radial from 13.7nm to 15.2nm.
you know what would be absolutely amazing actuall flight deck operations an people as in the green the red the brown and the purple of course the yellow too
No, I ask because that's not what cv natops manual says: " The pilot shall turn 30 degrees when the final bearing is greater than 10 degrees from the reciprocal of the marshal radial. If not established on the final bearing at 12 miles, the pilot shall fly the 12-mile arc until intercepting final bearing."
Aside from the hardcore specifics of the landing procedure, I think doing this type of landing during a thunderstorm at night when the carrier deck goes up and down, would be a real challenge
heading are usually reduced by 10 so 270 is 27 on you heading meter it's easier and takes up less space when you already in a cramped peice of metal that can go mach 1.8 with a pair of wings and engines strapped to your seat
I ignored all this. Flew to the carrier and made a hard landing. I blurted out loudly “son your ego is writing checks your body can’t cash”. I took off my oculus and found my wife looking at me like I’m some kind of dumbass
He CHEATED!! Just kidding. Great Video, the landing was too smooth. For me the highlight was watching the moonlight dance over the instrument panel. WOW! So subtle, so good.
Christ that looks scary. Should I be concerned that I still have no idea how Wags managed to land it. 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 I’m gonna die so so many times trying this. 😜😜😜
WAGS, I think you mis-spoke when describing the glideslope bars @~18:10, if bar is above velocity indicator you are below glideslope (low), if bar is below you are above (high) - other than that great video, really looking forward to this added functionality
Wags is right. Imagine you're flying along and you want to intercept a glideslope. From where you are, the glideslope will most of the time be higher than you, because you are not intercepting at the maximum range and altitude that the glideslope goes up. So the indication would be; your velocity vector with the glideslope above you, and coming down as you intercept it
I'm in the market for a new computer. Budget $1200 or less (preferably) What system do you recommend I get, to best match your simulation experience. I would rather not spend the full $1200 if possible. I was looking at a Dell - Inspiron Desktop - Intel Core i5 - 8GB Memory - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 - 1TB Hard Drive
Johnny Tsangaris wait for 1100 series of gpu. Should be released this month with budget cards over the next few months. That’ll make a world of difference for the next few years if you wait for a few months. Also: BUILD YOUR OWN. It’s simple these days and you save more money.
I dont understand why people think this is hard. Even in 'real life'. I mean, you have little pin thingys you just gotta line up and land the plane! It's not hard, I mean, night adds a little bit, but not much! :P
Okay, time to look elsewhere for actual "training". This series is more for those that are already familiar with the hornet. So if you're already familiar, it makes the need for these far more unlikely. It seems like it's just showing off that you know these concepts so well instead of actually teaching them. Not trying to criticize, but people looking for entry training may need to know.
How to ensure maintaining a precise 30° left bank turn: watching the moon magnificently lighting your right wing in the dark of the night.
Great graphics.
Great flying.
Great landing.
Cheers!
Offered before, but if you need any help from an actual US Navy CATCC controller let me know. All the procedures look spot on - except for we start at 21 miles, angels 6. Can help with amphib ops as well :)
I'll say thanks even if they didn't !
@@CHECK6-963 Same here
I am going to cost the virtual taxpayers a fortune trying to get that bird down with a Case III.
I'm pretty sure my virtual country is running out of steel to make new planes at this point.
Not to flex but I did a hella scuffed case 3 recovery on my first try
These videos have completely changed how it is to interact with an aircraft in DCS. Its great to have a solid resource to go to and learn the ins and outs of a plane without doing hours of research. I hope you do videos like this (or have some other ED person do it) for other modules. I think it will greatly increase how likely people are to use the simulator!
Wags, as a DCS A-10C 'ground pounder' that really enjoys night landings in crappy weather I must say this scared the shit out me! You make this look too friggin easy as I'm still trying to get the AOA sorted out on the F/A-18. I learned 3 important things here:
1) I think I need a simulator for my simulator
2) Carrier based US Naval Aviators are gods
3) AF jet jockeys are pansies.
Can't wait to see the foul weather Case III episode if my heart can take it!
Thanks
Only thing missing is 10 ft swells, 20 kt gusts and a bouncing ball. :) I really appreciate these great tutorials on authentic carrier procedures so we can really get the most out of the sim. Thanks so much.
That is some hard core instrument flying there. Great job sir! You make it look far easier them it actually is.
Thanks for your professionalism and your humility Matt. I am not playing anymore DCS for now but I still enjoy your lessons.
Another fantastic lesson Matt thank you!
Have fun, expect we'll be seeing a LOT of CASE III YT videos soon!
Wags, your videos are really the best tutorials and explanations on UA-cam. Thank you so much! Navy all the way!
Where are you getting the TILS channel from? I don't see anything in the manual, the kneeboard, or the mission editor.
It should be in the advanced waypoint options in the ME for the carrier. you can add a new action and tell it so set ICLS to a certain freq. Basically like with tacan.
It'd be neat if we eventually see hooks making sparks from ramp strikes! (Just an idea. Either way this is pure awesome and I absolutely CANNOT WAIT to try it!)
Great video as usual. Have to say the moon reflections off the water look amazingly realistic. Great job!
Great lesson. I'm really looking forward to trying this (said no one ever). If my Case 1s are anything to go by, Great Balls of Fire!
Wow, that ball barely moved until just at the very end. Great job again Wags.
Yikes. I am going to be practicing that for some time to come. That first clean, successful, landing is going to feel oh so sweet.
Awesome video. Now is time for us to practice it.
matt, what does it feel like to have balls of steel? Are they heavy? Do you have back problems? Your fans want to know.
Wow, Matt, just wow. Thanks for the video!
You make it look so easy Wags. One question...would you not turn your DDIs to NITE also to reduce the glare?
You can, but I prefer it brighter.
FYI DDIs set to HSI do not dim when set to night mode.
You’ve got a voice for voiceovers!
Might get this in the future. So many modules out that I’m still not proficient enough with. This would sit in the Hangar for months doing nothing if I purchased just now. Definitely one for the future though. Thanks.
Great Video, great flying, great module! Thanks Matt!
You're an amazing pilot Matt
My gosh Matt, you make it all look so easy! Are you pilot for reals? Your videos are very informational, and fun! You inspire Matt!
If it's not the precision combat that I love about a flight sim it's the navigation. Something about locating and landing on something you cannot physically see using intruments.
Matt, you make it look soooo easy...…..
Having some friends that fly the real Hornet giving me pointers helps ;)
Is there any way of determining what ILS channel to use at the moment? Is channel 11 standard for the Stennis at the moment or is it something that is set within the mission editor?
Con7inuum's Cockpit. Set in the ME. The mission creator should list in the briefing.
Thanks Wags, appreciate it. Very keen.
The 30 degrees correction turn starts at 20DME
Could you add a link to the holding pattern at the start? Would be nice to be able to reference it while watching the video. :) (You can also do that in a 2nd tab@all)
So where can we read the distance from the course line as mentioned in this video? I can't seem to read it in the lower right corner?
Another great video, thanks Matt!
Great video! One question, if you had not started approaching the carrier from the southwest, how would you know where it is ? tacan tells you distance but how would you know the heading of the ship?
Briefing, and later radio comm.
@@MattWagner thank you sir!
Great video Wags. I am wondering, at the point where you come unto the "0 degree" to line up with the carrier and you set your course steering arrow, I was expecting to see the command steering mark on the heading tape to keep you on the 0 degree course before you transition to the ICLS guidance, but no command steering mark.
It was a beauty to watch I must say, I would say it seems it is going to be simpler than the case 1 landing because it is straight- in landing.
When you roll out from the arc on the approach radial. When the CRS line is displayed, there is no command heading mark on the heading tape.
Noted Wags. Thanks
it's made to be alot more simpler because you can't even see you runway the reason why they move the holding pattern out is because if you were to try a case 1 in a case 3 environment you would not be able to see the aft part of the deck (the white bar that most people use to turn) and you would just over shoot
Nicely flown Wags...
Thanks, except the arc turn was terrible.
Meh... Nobody died and no metal was bent. ;)
Coming from commercial flight sims, I'm glad there ILS here too ! :D
Good job Matt!
Do you think the GS needle and LOC needle should be longer? I noticed that both needles are longer in the real life HUD videos.
Also, how does ATC doing during the power approach mode? Is it able to hold the correct AOA during approach?
Thank you.
old video.
But why not offset the final TACAN to 350 [000 MINUS 10]? To account for the deck heading? Seems you could have gotten "on the needles" easier or more quickly.
That's amazing. Great vid, Wags.
I need to at which altitude the pressure hits different because I'd like to fly somewhere between that and to low....
I have a question is there going to be any interactive training lesson released for the Case 1 and 2 I find those very good learning tools
Im still confused if we are supposed to go clockwise or counterclockwise in the stack.
Is there a way to have the HUD or HMD circle/box/diamond the carrier from tacan for case 3 bad visibility landings?
Would it be posible to fly the glideslope with ATC engaged and use pitch to fly needles centered?
Whats the range at which the localizer will pop up, and whats the range at which the glidescope will pop up?
Nice job, Wags - having done many an unsuccessful CASE 1 landing (and few successful ones - just wish they were consistent!), I can appreciate the skills demonstrated.... One small thing: I think you said you set your RDR ALT at 1100 to alert you to anything below 1200, but it seems you set it at 110 (and that is when the alarm went off) - was that intentional?
A mistake
Thanks for clarifying - as I imagine you are aware, we are all out here soaking up the details in these videos... Keep them coming!
Weird question, but what date and time of night for full moon lighting?
thanks for another fantastic landing
Hey Wags, quick question for the DME arc; Would it be feasible to do the "turn 10, Twist 10" method for doing the arc? Or is it too small and the aircraft to fast to do it practically?
You could, but the SMEs I work with did/do not.
Thanks!
It doesn't work right at those speeds. When flying GA aircraft that are slower, that's a good way to fly an arc. Flying faster, you use differetne methods.
Wait.. I thought you just pointed the plane at the carrier and then hit the brakes real hard? lol Great video 👍
How do you keep your flight path marker level when making a 30 degree turn? i always seem to make it drop 2 degrees and start losing altitude...
Pitch trim to on-speed and adjust throttle to set altitude.
I'm attempting this mission in the latest update (as of 8JUN20) and everytime I talk to ATC is says I'm not authorized. Is this due to me not being in the marshall stack att or similar?
are you playing on the vr mode ? if so, whats your whole entire setup ? i just downloaded this after watching this and the f18 video and im pretty curious
I know this old, but can you tell me why you use flcs page. What are you getting from it?
Standard procedure to make sure slats and flaps are in the correct position.
@MattWagner Just graduated from the Hornet Squadron, and they were wondering also. Makes since. Thanks for the reply. We'll done by the way.
Wags, excellent work demonstrating the Case III recovery process. Few questions for you-
1. Will we be able to set marshall stack options? IE-if we wanted to put that 25 mile fix from the CVN, is there a way for us to put it into the HSI? Or is that not an option? (Meaning people will actually have to fly :))
2. You covered it brilliantly in the video, with the course offset as well as error on it. That said, is the HUD caged for the entire recovery for accuracy? Or is it similar in this instance where it stays caged until on the ball?
3. Once established at 5,000, what are you referencing for your arc?
Sorry for the nit-noid stuff here...just inquiring minds would like to know. Excellent work sir.
1- No such option in the real HSI. Simple a case of assigned radial and altitude by mashal. 2- Yes, caged the entire time, I probably should have uncaged at 3/4 mile, 3- 15 nm DME.
Great video, Matt! Thanks! Question about a small detail. In the holding pattern, when performing the turns at 30 degree bank, you end up with a 90 second turn. Some sources say that you'd aim for a "half standard rate" turn (i.e 1.5 deg/sec, so 2 minutes for the 180), which I believe would be a ~25 degree bank. What's your thoughts on this? Thanks again for all the effort you put into learning and teaching us this stuff in an understandable and bite-sized way! :)
(Another detail, which I'm sure you're already aware, is that the hud zulu time sometimes (not in every mission) changes minute at around 17 seconds instead of 00 seconds).
Can't wait for the patch(es). Almost every patch is a big event for me :D
Quick question here: Transition to on-speed starts at around 6 or 5-ish nm when confirming needles, correct?
you sure? ;/
Ah, ok
Thank you for the great data!
Is it possible to use the icls?
I copied the video and it doesn't work.
Just thanks for this introduction of Case ||| landing! Brilliant
now this is why i love flight sims
Any idea if we'll get Carrier deck flood lights working for future night landings?
Generally, flood lights are not used during launch or recovery operations.
I am imagining creating a mission with all the marshal stack, ATC timing allocation and multiple AI aircraft with the mission editor. That will be one complex process I think. Is would be great if ED can give us one of such mission in Instant Action for this. Is the current Stennis carrier deck ready for multiple AI landing and parking now?
There's a reason why a Composite Air Operation (comao) takes about 12+/- hours to plan :)
Thanks for the update Matt. Is BRC used at all during CASE 3?
Mostly it's about your final bearing.
Nicely done.
Beautiful
dude, the same thing always happens to me...the ball looks good pretty much until i pass over the ramp, then it just plummets down to red. Looking forward to trying this!
Yes, we are looking into it.
oh really? I was just assuming I was always messing up and diving for the deck or something. You guys think its a bug???
That's normal.
Loved it nice job.
Will the fa18c have an ILS for land airfields?
No, that would not be realistic.
WOW respect, it's really perfect. Congratulation +1
can someone PLEASE HELP ME the god damn tacan will not work, I setup the trigger in game I set my own frequency, but when I go to the ufc and enter my tacan , then hit tacan on the hsi literally nothing happens. its the same thing with ICLS it does the same thing .
On the UFC: Press TCN button - Press ON/OFF to turn tacan on ("ON" indicated on UFC scratchpad) - Clear out scratchpad - Input tacan channel - Press ENT. Simply pressing the TCN button will not turn it on. Also, you may input the tacan channel prior to powering on the tacan.
Good job ! Will the F-18 have an artificial runway system?
If you're thinking of the same system that the mirage-2000 is equipped with, the answer is no.
:'-(
Is ICLS implemented now, or will it be in a future update?
For tomorrow we hope.
Coming in tomorrows patch.
Good landing Wags.
Case IIIs are the most stressful thing you can experience in DCS
Even more for tomcat, actually tomcat is not capable of case3, the avionics just doesn’t good enough
Aynone have any charts on Case 3 charts
google the natops
Nice flying :)
Hey Matt, I believe your DME arc is wrong, as you should have remained 12nm according the chart you put in, but it seems you kept extending out the radial from 13.7nm to 15.2nm.
Yes, already acknowledged
Uh AIM-120C Amraam?
you know what would be absolutely amazing
actuall flight deck operations an people as in the green the red the brown and the purple of course the yellow too
be careful what you whish for
I wonder what NAVY pilots think about this level of realism. Would be great to know their feedback.
Why do you fly the arc?
So you don't know. Ok.
No, I ask because that's not what cv natops manual says: " The pilot shall turn 30 degrees when the final bearing is greater than 10 degrees from the reciprocal of the marshal radial.
If not established on the final bearing at 12 miles, the pilot shall fly the 12-mile arc until intercepting final
bearing."
Aside from the hardcore specifics of the landing procedure, I think doing this type of landing during a thunderstorm at night when the carrier deck goes up and down, would be a real challenge
heading are usually reduced by 10 so 270 is 27 on you heading meter it's easier and takes up less space when you already in a cramped peice of metal that can go mach 1.8 with a pair of wings and engines strapped to your seat
I ignored all this. Flew to the carrier and made a hard landing. I blurted out loudly “son your ego is writing checks your body can’t cash”. I took off my oculus and found my wife looking at me like I’m some kind of dumbass
He CHEATED!! Just kidding. Great Video, the landing was too smooth. For me the highlight was watching the moonlight dance over the instrument panel. WOW! So subtle, so good.
But like...how did you land it, tho? This is gonna take a minute (perhaps several years worth) for me to master.
All instruments
that looked easy :)
Its dark out there...Say your needles. On and on..It's A Whole new level of pain
Christ that looks scary. Should I be concerned that I still have no idea how Wags managed to land it. 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
I’m gonna die so so many times trying this. 😜😜😜
All about following the instruments.
lol
WAGS, I think you mis-spoke when describing the glideslope bars @~18:10, if bar is above velocity indicator you are below glideslope (low), if bar is below you are above (high) - other than that great video, really looking forward to this added functionality
The video is correct, please watch again.
Wags is right. Imagine you're flying along and you want to intercept a glideslope. From where you are, the glideslope will most of the time be higher than you, because you are not intercepting at the maximum range and altitude that the glideslope goes up. So the indication would be; your velocity vector with the glideslope above you, and coming down as you intercept it
My mistake, I thought you said the bar not VVI, listened again and agree
That is some badass handstyle. Reformed graffiti artist I'm guessing.
Actually, created by a Hornet pilot to help me learn the pattern.
Sweet!
I'm in the market for a new computer. Budget $1200 or less (preferably) What system do you recommend I get, to best match your simulation experience. I would rather not spend the full $1200 if possible. I was looking at a Dell - Inspiron Desktop - Intel Core i5 - 8GB Memory - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 - 1TB Hard Drive
Johnny Tsangaris wait for 1100 series of gpu. Should be released this month with budget cards over the next few months. That’ll make a world of difference for the next few years if you wait for a few months.
Also: BUILD YOUR OWN. It’s simple these days and you save more money.
Jesus Christ Matt, you gotta list your Rig and your game config... everytime I watch you, I'm like dang what's his system.
you make that look wayyy too easy Matt
Don't know why but i find case III simple, and I have more troubles with the Case I.. always miss the wire in the day time
thnx Matt
Good thing im not allowed to fly F18 IRL... missed my landing...barrel roll...backflip...land it backwards...eject...lunch break.
super
It's weird but case III seems easy than case I to me
Rhino 167 2 and a half miles on alpha
I dont understand why people think this is hard. Even in 'real life'. I mean, you have little pin thingys you just gotta line up and land the plane! It's not hard, I mean, night adds a little bit, but not much!
:P
Okay, time to look elsewhere for actual "training". This series is more for those that are already familiar with the hornet. So if you're already familiar, it makes the need for these far more unlikely. It seems like it's just showing off that you know these concepts so well instead of actually teaching them. Not trying to criticize, but people looking for entry training may need to know.
No I will not land case 3 scary af