The makeup wearers thought makeup helped them show off their true selves, while the makeup-free people felt it actually covered up who they are. All wanted to express themselves and did it in opposite ways.
@@mojojojo8631 yeah i think that makes is just a way to hide who you truly are and this world deems not wearing makeup as opposed when it's literally the opposite you're just opressing yourself trying to change yourself for others.
because their opinions are really the same. Their point was: "I feel more aesthetic with/without makeup" - and there is no point in arguing about aesthetics because that is a preference entirely. So this whole discussion is void.
Makeup … and often… for those who lather on thick layers and look like they’re performing in a pantomime… can often demonstrate so much about a person’s personality… particularly their intelligence.
I've noticed many women I watch on youtube will say "sorry for my face" or apologize for not wearing makeup or looking a certain way. Sadly, some ppl feel like they have to apologize for being themselves, especially when you're putting so much of your life on the internet.
The reason why they apologize is because they think they are disappointing their viewers and supporters. But I agree, it’s sad that people/public is less forgiving when they reveal their “true” face. Make-up gurus have to be very strong and confident to not give a fuck about trolls or haters ):
Agreed! I notice a lot more of these apologies with more zoom calls with work. Even as far as then not wanting to turn their camera on because they look a mess and they do not have any makeup on” there will be half a dozen people on the call and they will be the one person who does not want to have their camera on for this specific reason and this one alone.
I think we all can have different thoughts about makeup, but we can't ignore that there's a huge industry at its root trying to sell us insecurities, an aesthetic to aspire, and an idealized idea of what a woma should look like.
@@ok-qz3kz if that's why they exist, then isn't that basically saying "they've got it under control?" I'm just saying they're incapable of providing that solution. It's pretty "lol" to me. 🤷🏻 It's comical how unproductive they've become that they can't even do their own job right. It's not like I'm saying you have to laugh at it too lol
Excatly, I still believe women who wear make up are unconfident and insecure people, like most of them! And then they come into the comments and try to convince us they are not lol.. people who wear makeup or dress half naked are all doing it for the society and attention and not for themselves.
Thats dishonesty for me. You're coming for a show on UA-cam that requires some honesty and most of your answers are not. That shows me how people who make their lives about makeup or womanhood or femininity are unhappy/have issues. You're a human before everything,not just a woman. But it seems like most of them just focus on being woman. Everything about them becomes "being woman". And that's sad. I'm just displeased of the fact that they weren't honest. Bc that was the point here.
@@bgos4727 the industries are all controlled by men. For women who claim they are strong and empowered well shouldn’t they tell these men where to stick their make up? I find it ironic . It is very much so for the male gaze. Because at home with your nearest and dearest who see your bare skin do most women wear make up or do their hair or specially selected clothing ? If they were honest they would say no . So it is very much for “others”
@@Edameda_mmori Femininity isn’t a bad thing. Everyone has different preferences and some woman just prefer to dress in feminine clothing. Some people are passionate about makeup but that doesn’t mean they are insecure. Sorry for my English
It's okay if you don't wear makeup. Just don't judge others for wearing it. Same thing goes for people who wear makeup, don't judge others for not wearing it.
@@BumBanditt and if they want to look like that, let them😂 it’s their life at the end of the day. It’s not like they’re forcing you to like them or wear makeup like that. But I get it, that’s your opinion, I respect that.
I understand what you're saying- but for me growing up, my grandmother used to say that as in- don't look like you just rolled out of bed. And given the context, I stand by that most of the time. Brushing your hair, ironing a few crinkles out a shirt and putting on a nice pair of shoes can really pull a look together, even without makeup, regardless of gender. Plus, pulling my self together is good for my self esteem/mental health- instead of the no shower, don't care depression look.
I really liked how respectful this Middle Ground was. No talking over each other or interrupting, listening and responding with their own feelings as opposed to putting down someone elses feelings.
Because it was pretty much all women. I think the women on this series are more respectful to other women than men are. I haven't seen one with only guys, but I'd like to see how they treat other men.
Culturally, people have been painting their faces and adorning them for millions of years. It’s fun and does carry meaning, a sense of power. But the way it is now, as a standard that’s run through years of sexism, it preys on insecurity and false roles.
@@gabrielaquevedo8012 Honestly, it's just fun! Personally, ill wear makeup going out somewhere because (and I'm not saying only women can or do wear makeup) it makes me feel so feminine. It's like a romanticism thing- romanticize your life.
I also hate how features/body types keep going in and out of fashion. Like the way someone’s born shouldn’t be a fad one week then out of style the next. It’s really weird.
But also you shouldn't care about whats in or not. Your style is you and infinite and who cares about the rest. As long as you feel comfortable thats whats truly in or not.
@@danielarejas7118 she’s not weak, she was exploited. There’s so much pressure for women to be perfect and proper. I get what you’re saying, but these messages are constantly being sent to every woman. Atleast, one message ( often more) will affect us in our lifetime. Having positive support is ideal in these cases. Just saying “be yourself” isn’t gonna cut it.
I love how respectful and kind everyone was! No shaming, talking over each other or judging. Everyone simply listened and felt safe to tell their story. I think that's beautiful
Personally, I hate wearing makeup since it gives me bad acne. Objectively speaking, as long as you're not hurting anybody or yourself, you do you. Edit: If you haven't watched the Save Ralph video yet, please do so. In summary, if you like wearing makeup please make use of those vegan and/or cruelty-free types. Never support animal abuse.
The only reason i rarely have make up on. People say that i didn't remove them thoroughly but I did. I did the same thing as them but pimples keep popping up.
My wife gets break outs every time she wears makeup as well. She actually loves putting it on, as she is really meticulous and has fun with it almost like its art. But every single time she gets pimples or skin irritation. She has tried everything to isolate what specific product causes it, but it always irritates her skin. My wife looks absolutely stunning with makeup. The most beautiful woman in the world for me. But I’ve long accepted that her wearing makeup 99% of the year is out of the question. It’s opened my eyes tho at just how much work women go through for cosmetics. Its not simple. So I think men should be more understanding and not expect it. Especially when many actually suffer skin irritation.
I wish they had gotten people who do different kinds of makeup. They seem to have gotten all Instagram Baddies. I would be nice to hear a E-girl/boy thoughts or a “natural beat” person maybe even a goths person take on things.
as someone who loves makeup and has since i was i kid i still agree with many of the points by the non makeup side, it rlly depends on how each individual views makeup and what they use it for
I love the “as long as you’re not hurting anybody else” philosophy a lot of us have adopted, BUT there are still conversations to be had. Just because your behavior isn’t hurting anyone else doesn’t me we shouldn’t want to understand the origins of our desires to want to do things or the societal pressures that led us to behave certain ways.
Well said. Rephrased: people need to realize that you can't just use "it's not hurting anyone" as a reason to not have a conversation when, in all reality, it may not have been established that it doesn't actually hurt anyone yet.
Chick.....please.....do y’all even care about the countless animals who are abused in make up testing? Or the foreign labor that goes into acquiring the resources? Make up ALREADY hurts plenty in this world....we just don’t care lol
People need to realize their decisions are not made in a vacuum. Like these are sexist beauty standards regardless if someone's individual opinion is that they like it
That’s why I sometimes don’t like wearing makeup, if I believe I am beautiful naturally then why would I cover up my face to make myself look like a different version of myself even if it’s just mascara or lipstick it still makes me look different so I do try to take a very natural approach to makeup
@@liggmabawls5634 I mean you rarely see women or men at bars/clubs with sweats and slides on lol makeup is the same as clothes, people wear it based on the occasion. If I’m going to my cousins wedding, I’m gonna wear heels, a fancy dress, and makeup. If I’m going to the gym, I’m not going to wear makeup and put on my dirty running shoes. If I’m going to work at the office I’m going to put my hair up, wear flats, slacks, and a work button up. It’s all based on the occasion. I personally feel pretty no matter what I’m wearing or how much makeup I have, as long as I personally like what I have on then I feel good. If I don’t like the makeup I have one, or the shirt I’m wearing or the shoes I’m walking in then I won’t feel confident, no matter where I am
@@DaughterofMother1 body hair on men is a societal normality ... whereas women are expected to live up to a beauty standard of ‘smooth legs’, ‘smooth arms’ and the list goes on.
@@DaughterofMother1 They could have a separate video on that too! That would be interesting as well. I just feel that a video which tried to talk about both at the same time wouldn't really capture the nuance/differences between the two.
I live in Japan and many company's here require that their female employees wear make- up. If they don't they'd have to go home. Always thought it was an unethical and toxic rule
@@nah_. my wife doesn't use any mascara or lip gloss but she def has to cake up or she can't go to to her department store job. She's beautiful without it tho
it sucks cuz women who wear makeup are more likely to be hired and promoted but at the same time women who wear makeup are seen as frivolous and told that they wear makeup just for men. women just can’t win
Women have been wearing and obsessed with makeup since ancient times - long before the current makeup industry existed. Its not just some con played on women by and industry or men at large - its something that actually comes about because of (many) womens human nature. Im not saying its positive or that it has to be negative - but women will never stop feeling insecure about their appearances or trying to improve them and idealized versions of women will always exist. There's nothing you can do about it - its human nature, its womens nature.
@@poocrayon4588 women haven’t been obsessed with wearing makeup. in fact in old times both man and women used to wear makeup. anyway idk what was the point of ur comment
@@addie3147 what? It was not what I was saying at all. I'm talking about how social media put you in a space where you think there was nothing in life except existing on the internet. I know how that feels like, I was there, my real life was completely out of control over building the imagery I wanted to present to the internet. It does *u*k up our mind and honestly, people that is so on the loop would not be able to discover real life connection until they realize how much social media changes their cognitive function and the way their brain works.
Yeah when I was like 10 and would be in dance shows we would wear eyeshadow and lipgloss, possibly blush, and body glitter, and that would be all And that’s what I was thinking of But when I think of 10 year olds I see around nowadays, they’re in full glam (even when not in a show or going to a party or something, like if they’re just going to the store or to meet with a friend) And I personally don’t agree with that, but I’m not their parent so
Yeah, I think that fun stuff is fine--when I was a young kid I remember finding glitter and eyeshadow exciting but in no way did it affect my self-esteem. Lashes and foundation is a whole other story.
The real question is "why do you wear makeup?" Many people feel the need to wear it or else they are not succeeding the standards and are less than. I personally believed this at one point in my life and now I am proud to say that I do not wear makeup anymore. It really messes me up and I don't want to feel the need of looking perfect because I don't look perfect and it's important to show that.
I feel like wearing makeup is one of those things that shouldn't even be an issue. If you want to wear it, fine. If you don't, fine. I'll never understand why some people make a big deal out of whether or not other people wear it. Edit: To clarify, I’m not saying we shouldn’t talk about makeup and the social implications of wearing or not wearing it. I’m saying I think it’s something that society shouldn’t have made into an issue in the first place.
It shouldn't be an issue I agree. But it is for many people right now, so I think it's important to talk about it. To reassure people it's ok to wear a lot, it's ok to NOT wear any, it's ok for a guy to wear it too, it's ok not to wear it ALWAYS and no feel ashamed to show yourself without... I think there's many ways it causes issues, but overall the problem is lack of acceptance in society. The more diverse and accepting society is, the less of an issue is this, because everyone can feel ok in their skin without comparing themselves to others and to beauty standards.
I think because it affects society. Like if you're a woman and you see makeup as objectifying women or promoting the idea that women should meet these standards, I see why others wearing it would bother you. I wear makeup but I recognize it has a problematic side.
I see makeup like clothes. Some people like wearing suits and heels and fancy dresses, some like sweats and t shirts. Some like both. Never understood the big deal either
I don’t think it’s fair to judge others for wearing makeup!! I love how I look with AND without makeup-but I think u should do whatever makes u feel most beautiful
Too bad social media users promote the literal opposite of what you said by posting filtered photos of themselves, making others feel insecure, leading them down the never-ending path of fakery. The messages put out there by “influencers” to “love yourself” as they spend loads on plastic surgery and hours on photoshop is comedy at it’s finest, and clown logic at it’s best.
@@justcurious2439 because the beauty industry is often incredibly toxic and sets up unrealistic expectations for women especially. we can be made to feel unworthy and ugly because we don't look as flawless as people on social media who wear makeup and then don a filter over top
That story of him going to Sephora is SO accurate. It's so backwards because you'd think a a person with no make up on in that store would want help with the product. But anytime I go in with no make up I typically get ignored and feels like they're looking down on me.
it's interesting to hear about your experience because when i go into sephora, especially when i go alone, the sephora employees always ask if i need help but i always feel like they're watching me and expecting me to steal something... 😔and i don't wear make up.
I’ll be honest I really don’t feel that vibe with sephora employees? I don’t wear much makeup when I go in there but everyone seems to be fine. Idk if you guys are overthinking it but then again I usually don’t pay much attention to staff.
@@TimidAction it's most likely a case of different experiences rather than us over thinking it. I wear fairly androgynous clothing as well so that could be an aspect. Region could be an element, too. I'm glad to hear you don't have that experience though because it is rather uncomfortable haha.
Fact, when I walk into the drugstore dressed and pressed everyone asks if I need help or assistance. The story changes when I’m bare-faced, in Ugg’s and my old man coat 🙄
I hear the people who say it’s empowering and they love wearing it, but I 100% relate to the woman who spoke about the disadvantage it gives you. It’s terrible that a man can enter an interview with a bare face but a woman is often not given the job for it. I recommend watching a good morning Britain interview about the issue. The pro-makeup woman said she wouldn’t hire a woman who had a bare face as they would seem unprofessional. It’s unbelievable
Yeah, I don't really wear makeup on an average day, so I probably wouldn't wear any at an interview. If someone didn't want to hire me for it, then I wouldn't want to work there anyway.
I think wearing makeup raises our expectation of what a person looks like especially women(many women wear makeup) and i find it harmful in the sense that it kind of erases the natural beauty of a person and creates a false image of what a beautiful person is supposed to look like. Men don't have to wear makeup to be attractive because we are naturally attracted to them and the same thing should be applied to women. Gist of it is that a woman's natural face should be normalised and considered attractive without any makeup.
@@ThatBeach23 From what I have seen, teens and young women are more into makeup whereas middle aged women wear very minimal makeup. What you said might be true but this happens both ways as teens want to look older than their age.
I agree. The majority of women wear make up and I've caught myself no longer being interested in women when I see them without make up a lot of times. It can be confusing!
@@ThatBeach23 that is just not true? most teens do not have flawless skin. me and everyone around me had acne riddled skin and we just looked awkward now that i’m 20, my skin is finally great. idk if you consider 20 young tho….
I think they got people who are very passionate about make up and are also influencers on social media. This however is not the majority. Most don't wear make up because it's arts, they wear it because, and i quote, "I can't go out like this", "nobody can see me like this", "i look sick", "i dont have my brows on, i'm naked" etc. If i look around at my normal friends and classmates they don't do it because they like themselves, they do it because they DONT. That's when i have a problem with it. These girls would LITTERALY APOLOGIZE for their face. If this is not the case for you than that's lovely
100% agree. I really don’t buy the narrative that people are just ‘expressing themselves’. It just sounds like insecurity is being masked as empowerment nowadays.
Its just makeup dont villanize it. If you got issues its not the makeup, its you and not wearing makeup is not gonna fix it. You gotta work on you as a person and the outside will not matter anymore.
@@poopy_kitty0160well at 14:12, she said people go to the extreme and don’t look like themselves anymore. But she’s denying that she’s one of those people
@@poopy_kitty0160well they have to wear a mask everyday to feel confident they are just like antifa members losers without the mask bold , confident , and destructive when their mask is on
Honestly, there should've been more variety with the "pro makeup" crowd. Like, have a regular person doing the Instagram Look, but also someone whose style/subculture needs makeup (like Goth), have a professional makeup artist for fashion and TV/film, and another makeup artist who works in theatre. Every person in the video is the typical Insta Baddie and they all look the same and have the exact same makeup style.
Yes! Like, Of Herbs and Altar! My favorite YT goth. Too bad they’re not in the States. Maybe Jubilee can do remote videos (like at the start of the pandemic) sometimes just for more diversity?
Hi! Just a side note, as someone who has been in the goth subculture for 18 years, goth has nothing to do with apperance or makeup, it's totally music based 😊
Yes I would have loved too see an alternative person on here even tho the subcultures are mostly music and political based self expression is important and the make up is a big part of that
I used to not even walk out the front door without a FULL face of makeup. Now, for the past 3 years, I’ve gone without makeup and I feel more confident than ever!
Can we point out how people are calling the white girl 'homeless' or bad looking in the comments...she looks so normal. This is what a lot of girls look like without makeup, but since makeup exists the beauty standard for women is higher than it is for men. The other girl commented on how women without makeup are perceived as less put together and the comments are just proving that point. Edit: A lot of people are saying 'it's the hair'. Some people naturally just have messy or frizzy looking hair and that's fine too. I know someone who has thin hair and struggles to make it look 'nice' no matter how much she brushes it. It still comes back to the same point though, that people make rude comments about women who they think have 'less attractive' features and aren't constantly done up with nice makeup, their hair done, and nice clothes.
So true. I look so much like her without makeup on. In my opinion she doesn’t even look bad. I think makeup just makes people look more flashy ya know.
@@bluewave152 my hair looks like that even if I brush it. like a third of it resembles a wire, and another third is thin and split. it makes that unbrushed look no matter how you try, unless you flat iron it
"the beauty industry often uses makeup to make people insecure so they buy their products" and "makeup can be a tool of creative self expression" are two statements that can coexist. at least in my book.
@Emily Duncan yeah lol why because she’s blonde and Caucasian? But I shouldn’t assume that’s what the comment meant and the comment is positive just I don’t know what “somehow” means
Weird that people have such a strong opinions about makeup. I wear it sometimes, and some other times feels like slaying my natural face. I feel great in both times. its really all about what makes you happy...
At the end of the day, just do what makes you feel best. Wear makeup if you want, even if it’s tons of it. Don’t wear makeup if you want, IT DOESN’T MATTER! There’s no same in wearing makeup, there’s no shame in not wearing makeup. What matters most is your personality and your actions.
@@imanigordon6803 I mean, at the end of the day, yeah, but like, there’s nothing wrong with that. Also, not everyone’s intention is to attract someone because they’re wearing makeup. Sometimes people can’t help it, people are attracted to them regardless, that doesn’t mean they’re doing a certain thing for them. I totally get what you’re saying though, but that’s almost like saying people may use clothes to attract others, and being like “you know the guy is going to see you eventually without clothes right”. Like, why does it matter🤷🏾♀️ sometimes for someone makeup might be necessary like how clothes are necessary, I mean, I’m sure you’ve seen the horrible reactions people have to natural things like acne. Like, for someone, covering that up isn’t really to attract others, but make them more comfortable with themselves ya know. I definitely do get your point though, no makeup is your preference.
Thank you so much for having me. I loved this experience. Reading the comments makes me so happy and proud ! It is ok to wear make up and it is ok To not wear make up just love yourself !
Sis screams insecurity and thinks she's doing a big statement by not caring about herself. Get a cute dress, some conditioner, and get some therapy (most importantly) Bryn!
This is a great conversation. I personally have a bare face 95% of the time and I love how I look without makeup. Obviously i feel a lot more feminine, confident, and conventionally beautiful with it on. But I can’t imagine allowing myself to make it so habitual that everyone is used to seeing me in it and only in it. I almost view it as catfishing and it makes me feel inauthentic and like I’m playing a role rather than being myself completely. I don’t know it’s weird 🤣 but I just feel more genuine and at peace when I’m not wearing it. The only times I put it on is for events or photo shoots or nights out with my friends which are few and far between. I like that people are used to my real face because that way I Feel like they know the real me and not just this character I’m playing in the moment. It would stress me more if I wore makeup often and then had to keep it up daily because that’s how everyone was used to seeing me and they hadn’t seen the imperfect version of my face. I actually HATE how I look with a super beat face because I can’t even recognize myself
Chris referencing not having makeup on as looking “bummy” is actually a good point for the non-makeup side. If you don’t wear makeup or enough makeup, you look less than. Why should makeup mean anything having to do with how well put together I am as a person?
I think when most people say they look bummy, they usually mean that they didn’t put as much effort into their look as they usually do, therefore if your usual routine consists of a full face of makeup and you don’t do any of it, it will make u feel bummy. It doesn’t necessarily mean less attractive, just less effort. I don’t think he meant it makes you less of a person though, thank you for the insight I didn’t see it this way while I was watching
My dad said women that look like a rag-rat are a turn off and no man wants to go near them, you guys have to look mature and clean, me and my 3 sisters and no brothers: shut the frick up
@@slays2798 can I ask what’s gross about body hair we’re born with which is natural? why should we force ourselves into these ideals and see it as something disgusting, just so a few people on top can get rich on pushing products. I think everyone should have a choice based on what they truly want to do, and one option shouldn’t be expected over the other
Make up is such an interesting thing for me, because in engineering classes I always found that people took me *less* seriously when I wore makeup and feminine clothing. The more I dressed down (or like a guy), the more people interacted with me like normal. It's almost like people associated makeup with femininity (or maybe vanity?) and that was somehow incompatible with intelligence.
I found the same thing! Even got asked out one time in engineering class, wasn't wearing makeup. I asked my brothers and they said it would have been because I looked "more approachable" laughed about it anyway!
As a woman I found those who wear less make up in my college classes seem more approachable. Nothing to do with perceived vanity and it's only a first impression.
if there was a rating most women would be around a 4 - 6, makeup boosted it to a 7 - 9. Also we guys don't know how you is when you wear makeup. we would think that she has a boyfriend already or she is out of my league
I noticed a similar thing in the beginning of the video. The women without makeup all registered as normal individuals to me, but the ones with make up on were somehow off putting to me. I think you’re on the right track with the vanity guess. To me, excessive makeup has always been a sign of a lack of personality... I’m guessing that in engineering it’s all about performance, so I could see how vanity and conceitedness would be viewed very negatively.
I used to wear makeup every single day from age 18-27. I couldn’t even leave the house without it. I stopped wearing it about 7 months ago and it’s wonderful! I put some on occasionally when I feel like it but normally I’m just too lazy and don’t feel like it’s necessary. I love getting extra sleep in the morning.
At the beginning of the video Sabrina mentioned how she had a lot of confidence going out in public without make up on. But further through the video she mentioned that she slept with make up on when staying overnight with her boyfriend, even getting make up on the pillow case. And when he asked her to become her girlfriend on Valentine’s Day, she washed her face and wanted to show him who she really was but was still trying to hide. Thats definitely NOT confidence. It’s sad that she felt that she had to worry about being VISUALLY accepted with a bare face by the person whom professes his love for her.
I think there is also a realization that comes with it. Most people who wear make up do not like like their bare face AT ALL. It’s like looking at two diff people.
I've always had the mindset to only wear makeup during special events. I don't want people to get used to my makeup face because, when you don't wear makeup, people start thinking you look worse than you actually do when you go without it because they've gotten used to your makeup face. That's just me though.
The worst part is that you can think the same way about yourself. It took me so long to accept my *actual face* again since I stopped using it everyday. And the best part is that people notice it more when it's done on special events only - you look nice and still feel good when it's gone after that day.
I was honestly kind of shocked none of the makeup people seem to think beauty standards are oppressive... I don't think we should judge anyone for choosing to or choosing not to wear makeup, but really? You don't think beauty standards are oppressive to ANYone? Maybe they should have used a different word than oppressive cause it seems like some of them didn't know what that meant but... still.
exactly, like darker skinned people all around the world are constantly being oppressed by the universal beauty standard so that was weird to only see two people agree
exactly.. I was really shocked.. Even though they might be immune to fall prey to their exploitation, it very much exists and denying that is delusional in my opinion
@@justarandomguy3781 idk what to really say find the right products that work for your skin type and will effectively clear your skin. It’s a process and not everything will work but it’s worth it
@@justarandomguy3781 u can look into the 10 step korean skincare routine. U dont have to do everything but it’ll help u figure out what order of products to do. I only really do like 4-5 steps and my acne went away. Like omg ppl compliment my skin now. Pretty cool. Also, AHA, BHA, and PHA r ur best friends but better to find ur skin type first. If ur barely starting it’ll def feel like a trial and error process. But just keep watching vids. Also asian skincare is ✨mwah✨
I wear makeup regularly and I found myself agreeing with the ‘no makeup’ side of the discussion way more, they just seemed more open minded and realistic with themselves.
The discussion about the fox eye trend was very interesting for me because I’m East Asian. I didn’t know that people likened the fox eye to our eyes and so I didn’t know people like me were getting offended. If anything, now knowing this fact, I feel flattered because it makes me feel less insecure about my upturned eyes and it has made me appreciate my natural features a lot more. Sure, trends come and go, and I actually don’t follows beauty trends because I already have my own style. But this trend has made me feel beautiful and feel at peace with my eyes haha
It's not actually supposed to look like the typical 'asian' eyes, it's just that some asian people made the connection and tried to prevent others from doing it
@@naariznica3133 it is thank you, and it is asian fishing, seen ariana grande? - countless people. you would not understand the bullying and racism I experienced because of my eyeshape.... and now people make our eyes a trend, its unacceptable just like blackfishing. trends come and go and dont care whom they hurt. and slanting the eye is all you need to tell. its so disrespectful to me personally, because of the bullying and self harm ive endured because of the discrimination.
@@blackequine.official it's really not, it's just that you have victim mentality and feel so self important that you have to make everything about you. Let me tell you that eye shape isn't strictly east asian either. I guess you are an american. That is not a problem anywhere else in world. Get off your high horse. Just because you suffered because of it doesn't mean others need to.
I barely use any makeup and I get intimidated by girls that wear such flawless makeup. I feel like society makes us feel like we have to know how to do makeup to seen as pretty. I try not to let makeup define who I am as a person. It is very challenging though 😓
Honestly I’ve never met someone in real life that has ‘flawless’ makeup, sure I know so many people who look great with it on and know how to blend correctly and use all the right techniques. But skin naturally has texture, I don’t know anyone who doesn’t have a few blemishes or dark circles- and they show through makeup in real life. I think the ‘ideal’ makeup we’re all so jealous of and strive to achieve doesn’t exist in real life but more so in the filtered online world
Exactly 😂 makeup makes it so you have to wear it to compete. You guys want people to get use to a very attractive version and then when no makeup you are completely different.
That’s why I never started wearing makeup! I felt tremendous pressure to do makeup perfectly amongst my peers and everything I saw on social media, which I knew I had no interest in achieving, so I opted out of makeup altogether.
I get what you're saying, but nobody is flawless. And for me, I've experienced that you're going to be judged either way. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Just fuck what everyone else thinks. You do what makes you feel happy and comfortable and you'll be fine 😊❤
I would like to hear this conversation take place somewhere like South Korea, where I think the pressure on women to wear makeup is exponentially greater than it is here in the US
It is. When I traveled in Korea, I wore makeup every day except for one - and a few people approached me telling me I am "brave for not wearing makeup". A young man explained to me that women wearing makeup in Korea is seen as the same as wearing clothes, meaning a daily necessity. And he has never seen a Korean woman between the ages of 14-40 without makeup in his country. Interesting! Yet sad...!
@@LA-cm9uo Tragic really, that’s disheartening to hear. They truly worship visual beauty in women to an extremely high extent and it’s kinda toxic. I understand being presentable is something important in their society but it’s really awful how the standard is so much higher for women. I hate to say this and i don’t mean it in a rude way but their society is very vain.
im koreanamerican. in korea right now. my mom doesn't wear makeup, my aunt doesnt wear makeup, i have female cousins who dont wear makeup. It really depends on where you are, what you do, who you are. Not all women in korea wear makeup and are hyperfocused on their looks or want to look like kdrama actresses. It's really diverse.
I hope they fix the lighting in the next episode because in a lot of scenes it looks like people don’t have eyes, particularly those on the make up side
I really don’t understand how the majority didn’t think that beauty standards are oppressive. Every society and culture inevitably will have a beauty standard but just the idea that “you should look like this and 80% of society will treat you as less than for not looking like this” is very oppressive for everyone tbh. And there’s a lot of sexism in the beauty standards we set for women vs men
i definitely think that it was because everyone has a different view on the word oppression. I would totally agree with your point, but at the same time, i don't think it's outright oppressing.😁
because the rest don’t think women are oppressed? i mean, yes, there are ”standards”, but if you feel oppressed by them maybe it’s your insecurity speaking. i’ve never felt the need to do something just because others do and i’m a woman. i’ve never been forced into a mold (at least successfully).
I see make-up as an art form. I adore getting creative with eye looks and what-not. It's like painting on my face. I LOVE Halloween for the reason of going all out with costumes, makeup, sfx, cosplay, etc. I don't usually wear it out, but when I do, it's used as an accessory.
As some who once used makeup to hide from the world and felt too insecure to leave my house without it to now a woman who loves a full face of glam but can easily be around the public without any. It's all about your confidence and having a healthy relationship with makeup
Yes!! I used to feel like I could only look pretty with makeup on. Now I feel just as beautiful without it, but I still wear makeup every now and then.
I agree with almost everything Bryn said, i don’t hate people who use make up, you can use it, I just don’t think one should depend on it to live up to a beauty standard, that’s toxic.
...But you can use make up and not be following beauty standards. Like the whole trend with outlining your eyebags, or some people give them self makeup blemishes as a style.
I'm glad they discussed skincare. This was informative and fun to watch. Everyone was friendly and open. I noticed many of the things people have already commented on, but something else that stood out was how the makeup wearers were groomed and their posture was also a stark contrast from the non-makeup wearers. Body language and how we groom ourselves say a lot about how we feel about ourselves too
They say beauty standards aren't oppressive but then La Demi said she felt uncomfortable leaving the house without make up in fear of not being seen as a female. I can understand if she used it to maybe alter her face structure to appear more feminine but I imagine it was used as most beauty standards expect of women. The fact you're seen as a female for wearing make up shows beauty standards are oppressive
@nathan gray yeah exactly. Bc the weird thing she's insinuating is that when you don't have makeup on as a woman, you'll be a man. And that's not true.. the only reason she experiences that is bc shes not actually a woman (no offense) and has to put on that performance to appear to be one version of womanhood. But being a woman doesn't have anything to do with whether you wear makeup or not. Low key, she basically just said to everyone in that room who doesn't wear or have makeup on is less of a woman...
@@Jaimelikegem she didn't say that, her insecurity is intersectional. She wasn't naturally born with the female phenotype, so she's worried that her features would appear too masculine and she'd get "mis-gendered". That's a completely different situation from the vast majority of cisgender women who don't have to worry about being mistaken for a man.
@@MizuHarajuku56 I feel like some men are hypocritical in that aspect because they say they prefer natural women but almost all of the time only approach those with makeup on..
Not necessarily true when people expect women to wear makeup. You can be perfectly comfortable in your own looks but if you’re compared to everyone else who has makeup, you’re perceived as less “put together”
Thats so true, couldn't agree more. Then again its different for everyone. The only reason are my acne spots..it makes me so self conscious ...i used to not care some years ago ...but now since i care more about how I look , i unlocked " this new problem of mine. 🙃
As an autistic woman, makeup plays a huge role in my life. It allows me to express myself, to feel like myself and to control how people perceive me. I also find that by wearing loud, colourful makeup, I attract the kind of people that I feel safe unmasking around into my life which is huge for me
As a girl who’s never worn makeup and is very tom-boyish, I don’t see that there’s any problem in wearing makeup. As long as it makes you feel good in yourself, then you should be able to wear however much YOU want, and not how much your partner says you should, your friends, or a random person on the street. :)
I am asexual so I don't wear makeup, also I attract fuckboys alot, idk, I eat healthy and sometimes go for walk to stay in shape and stay fit, beauty is not just makeup but figure height fashion and inner beauty
As someone who is asian, the fox eye trend really is something that bothers me. Today, people will come up to me and pull their eyes to make them look smaller, and call me Corona virus. It hurts. Many times when non-asians make their eyes look smaller because its trendy, they are looked at as beautiful, but when asians are born with these eyes, we are looked at as ugly or just different.
I really sympathize with you. I'm black and have naturally full lips and thick thighs. About 10 years ago when I was in elementary i got called gorilla/monkey because of my natural features. About 6 years ago during the tumblr era thigh gaps were such a thing. That plus that straight emo hair. At the age of 14/15 i felt conscious about my weight and wanted to lose weight to try and get that thigh gap. Plus straightened my hair every single morning, damaging my beautiful curls Now in the present full lips are a trend, plus being slim thick/dummy thick. I realized that i fell in and out of trends without trying and don't care anymore. These temporary trends could easily effect my (mental) health permanently
reminds me how people made fun of black people for bigger lips and said they’re “only good for oral”. what do they do now? LIP INJECTIONS!! people are just trying to keep up with whatever is hot at the moment. don’t listen to them. almost everything i got bullied for is a trend. including my goddamn brown skin?? insane. try your hardest to not let it affect you. don’t let them win. know they’re the ones miserable because they aren’t happy with themselves either. that’s why they try to bring you down with em. walk right past them. they’re suffering but you don’t have to suffer with them. be thankful you aren’t a trashcan like them lol
@@CocoaPuffss that last sentence hits hard lol. i agree. i feel so bad that many men, women, and kids are just under so much pressure. humans were put here with main focus to survive and now...physical appearance is more important than being healthy. it definitely is mental as well. many companies and the media do not care about triggering depression/body dysmorphia etc. this type of pain is enabled among society as a whole and it’s just so sad but it’s so far in that speaking on it will not change many people’s insecurities and how deep they go. i’m glad you realized this.
I can totally see that as offensive. Personally I have double lid which I'm perfectly fine with and love the look of a monolid and the uniqueness of it. But as said, when you don't have it and you are trying to mimic it.. I don't think I would've done it. I would feel as if I'm hurting someone even if my intentions are good. You need to think about how it'll be understood by others and how it'll make them feel. Same with darker skin extra. About calling all Asians ugly (as one) I have never experienced it or heard it but as a Jewish woman I've heard many horrible saying about us. So I understand the name calling and bad sayings. And I'm very sorry to hear.
I love makeup, it’s probably my biggest interest. I love when my favorite brands release new stuff that I can try! Putting on makeup is like art for me, I don’t do it for others to think I’m pretty, I do it cause I think it’s fun and it’s a way of expressing myself
Yeesssssss!!!! And just super respectful. I also loved how she was the only one who advocated for children to be able use makeup, despite not wearing any herself.
@Naker Free "In other news, gross people have now stopped looking at little kids in makeup!".....Lol. Prevention is the best way to go about things though. It's doesn't ALWAYS work, but it works most of the time. Saying people should stop doing x isn't going to make people stop doing x. There will always be gross people out there and it's the parents job to keep an eye out for their children to make sure that they are safe and that they don't end up attracting the wrong attention.
The ageing thing that she spoke about resonated within me. I began noticing my nasolabial folds and it made me feel insecure. It made me want to try skin care products to get rid of them. I never felt ugly in my life before this. The Kn95 makes it worse because I wear it tight since I work at the hospital. In this video, I noticed that everyone has them (with or without makeup). They're natural so I should stop trying to fight them.
I worked on set for a big name cosmetics company years ago, as a stylist. They were advertising something more mid shelf but the actual lipstick on the models face wasn’t the brand at all- one lip look consisted of like 5 different luxury brand lipsticks. I asked about it and someone on set said “oh girl, we don’t use the actual product and we aren’t lying because the commercial only IMPLIES that it’s what is on the models face”. My whole entire perspective of the beauty industry changed that day.
I loved Aleenah - she seems so smart and well put together, such a great listener and articulate. Actually, all of them seem so sweet and open minded this episode.
It's so funny to me how Covid has changed everyone's behavior. At the end it seemed like they wanted to go in for a group hug, but then realized 'oops, social distancing' and just did the elbow tap instead.
Right? but also...what's the point in avoiding a hug if you've already been sitting very close within breathing distance? There's barely a difference. Also they were all tested before filming, so...?
They should be talking about skin bleaching and wearing lighter shade makeup as well. Both blackfishing and and wearing makeup to make you appear shades lighter is problematic.
@@marlonmoncrieffe0728 Makeup is supposed to make you feel comfortable and confident in your own skin. Altering your skin colour is problematic because this makes people think that they would look better if they wear makeup which is shades lighter or darker, which is not okay
Idk i guess we got something different cause she had nasty vibes like she was just looking and judging/looking down on them. Like if I wore a full face and she saw me in the supermarket, shed give me the dirtiest look like shes better than me.
@@linelisbeth everyone sees things differently. I naturally dont trust other white women (strangers) so subconsciously tht probably plays a factor, overall tho it was her eyes.
This has been one of my favourite middle ground videos - every person is so open and accepting and I loved seeing them all hear each others perspective.
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The makeup wearers thought makeup helped them show off their true selves, while the makeup-free people felt it actually covered up who they are. All wanted to express themselves and did it in opposite ways.
Underrated comment right here ❤️
Them true selves? How does makeup help you achieve your true self?
@@Lebronwski The way they express themselves. Makeup is an art and a therapy for some people
@@risingwho3503 Exactly
A real Middle Ground here loll
I wear makeup, but it's pretty ignorant and untruthful to laugh or deny the fact that the beauty/makeup industry exploits people's insecuties.
there is an insecurity they are just feed it to grow more
Yaah
@@mojojojo8631 yeah i think that makes is just a way to hide who you truly are and this world deems not wearing makeup as opposed when it's literally the opposite you're just opressing yourself trying to change yourself for others.
It definitely does. Especially when you have ppl who don’t feel comfortable going out with it or even lashes
fr, that's just a fact
This is one of the most authentic, peaceful middle grounds I've seen. They were all so respectful.
because their opinions are really the same. Their point was: "I feel more aesthetic with/without makeup" - and there is no point in arguing about aesthetics because that is a preference entirely. So this whole discussion is void.
@@wolfsmaid6815 I still found it fascinating to hear their points of view
@@Livmylifelivi yes hearing so many perspectives was fascinating and I loved the delivery in all the different personalities.
I thought this exactly. It was actually so nice that they could share their opinions so politely and respectfully even when they disagreed on things.
Because it wasn't political
The three girls that don’t wear makeup have such clarity and are so articulate. Really admire their points of view.
Makeup … and often… for those who lather on thick layers and look like they’re performing in a pantomime… can often demonstrate so much about a person’s personality… particularly their intelligence.
Me too! Love the girl whos blonde shes so caring and sweet ( forgot her name..still watching :)
@@virtuallyme2518you realize that you can be very smart and wear makeup and lather it on. Judging others is not cool and one day you realize that
@@virtuallyme2518 How does makeup indicate intelligence when anyone can wear it?
when they were introducing themselves, that first girl just set everyone off to say 'im excited'
I noticed that immediately too lol
Ik i was like ok we get it you’re all excited 😂
@Are You Going To Do The 'Ora Ora' Thing? Umm, we're not triggered by it? Just noticed and thought it was interesting/funny.
Lol
I was like
"... and my reserving my excitement"
@Are You Going To Do The 'Ora Ora' Thing? you need to stop projecting lol.
I've noticed many women I watch on youtube will say "sorry for my face" or apologize for not wearing makeup or looking a certain way. Sadly, some ppl feel like they have to apologize for being themselves, especially when you're putting so much of your life on the internet.
you can be yourself and still wear makeup...makeup is another form of art and for some people it’s apart of them and that’s valid
@@xoogaboogax i don't think they were saying you can't be yourself with makeup. i think they meant that you're still yourself without it
@@xoogaboogax That’s not what they were saying
The reason why they apologize is because they think they are disappointing their viewers and supporters. But I agree, it’s sad that people/public is less forgiving when they reveal their “true” face. Make-up gurus have to be very strong and confident to not give a fuck about trolls or haters ):
Agreed! I notice a lot more of these apologies with more zoom calls with work. Even as far as then not wanting to turn their camera on because they look a mess and they do not have any makeup on” there will be half a dozen people on the call and they will be the one person who does not want to have their camera on for this specific reason and this one alone.
I think we all can have different thoughts about makeup, but we can't ignore that there's a huge industry at its root trying to sell us insecurities, an aesthetic to aspire, and an idealized idea of what a woma should look like.
Yeah that's why feminists exist
@@ok-qz3kz what we need is a middle ground understanding of it. Unfortunately, today's feminism ain't it lol
@@omnium_gatherum I know I was just saying why they existed, also this isn't a "lol" moment.
@@ok-qz3kz if that's why they exist, then isn't that basically saying "they've got it under control?" I'm just saying they're incapable of providing that solution.
It's pretty "lol" to me. 🤷🏻 It's comical how unproductive they've become that they can't even do their own job right. It's not like I'm saying you have to laugh at it too lol
Not only woman wear makeup
the makeup wearers tried to convince everyone that they're so confident, but they gave so many examples that show they're not really
Excatly, I still believe women who wear make up are unconfident and insecure people, like most of them! And then they come into the comments and try to convince us they are not lol.. people who wear makeup or dress half naked are all doing it for the society and attention and not for themselves.
I don't really blame them, we live in a society were industries prey on woman insecurities
Thats dishonesty for me. You're coming for a show on UA-cam that requires some honesty and most of your answers are not. That shows me how people who make their lives about makeup or womanhood or femininity are unhappy/have issues. You're a human before everything,not just a woman. But it seems like most of them just focus on being woman. Everything about them becomes "being woman". And that's sad. I'm just displeased of the fact that they weren't honest. Bc that was the point here.
@@bgos4727 the industries are all controlled by men. For women who claim they are strong and empowered well shouldn’t they tell these men where to stick their make up? I find it ironic . It is very much so for the male gaze. Because at home with your nearest and dearest who see your bare skin do most women wear make up or do their hair or specially selected clothing ? If they were honest they would say no . So it is very much for “others”
@@Edameda_mmori Femininity isn’t a bad thing. Everyone has different preferences and some woman just prefer to dress in feminine clothing. Some people are passionate about makeup but that doesn’t mean they are insecure.
Sorry for my English
It's okay if you don't wear makeup. Just don't judge others for wearing it. Same thing goes for people who wear makeup, don't judge others for not wearing it.
You shouldnt judge others but don't get pressed when you get called a catfish
Pretty sure that's the purpose of 90% of the middle ground topics. Like have your own opinion but that shouldn't mean attacking the other side.
Girls that wear 100 lbs of makeup are honestly hideous, they look like their face is melting
@@BumBanditt and if they want to look like that, let them😂 it’s their life at the end of the day. It’s not like they’re forcing you to like them or wear makeup like that. But I get it, that’s your opinion, I respect that.
@@BumBanditt ok...and?
its such a problem that being "put together" for a woman means that they wear makeup
I understand what you're saying- but for me growing up, my grandmother used to say that as in- don't look like you just rolled out of bed. And given the context, I stand by that most of the time. Brushing your hair, ironing a few crinkles out a shirt and putting on a nice pair of shoes can really pull a look together, even without makeup, regardless of gender. Plus, pulling my self together is good for my self esteem/mental health- instead of the no shower, don't care depression look.
Many people if they are honest would rather not be seen without their make up
i know especially in the workplace if you don’t wear makeup you look like a slob and unprofessional
Most of the girls I dated didn’t wear makeup.
@@agathachris9722 there are days where I would definitely not like to be seen without makeup 🤣 when I don’t sleep or when I’m not feeling well lol
I really liked how respectful this Middle Ground was. No talking over each other or interrupting, listening and responding with their own feelings as opposed to putting down someone elses feelings.
Because it was pretty much all women. I think the women on this series are more respectful to other women than men are. I haven't seen one with only guys, but I'd like to see how they treat other men.
Because want they are talking about is not that serious to have an issue on.
That's not vegan though
thank you for your popular opinion
I think because its not that heated a debate. Like really, its just makeup
Culturally, people have been painting their faces and adorning them for millions of years. It’s fun and does carry meaning, a sense of power. But the way it is now, as a standard that’s run through years of sexism, it preys on insecurity and false roles.
Very well said!
@@onanar9648clearly
Why do you feel the need to wear makeup though?
@@gabrielaquevedo8012 Honestly, it's just fun! Personally, ill wear makeup going out somewhere because (and I'm not saying only women can or do wear makeup) it makes me feel so feminine. It's like a romanticism thing- romanticize your life.
well eyeliner was used back in the day to protect your eyes from the sun. now its a beauty thing
I also hate how features/body types keep going in and out of fashion. Like the way someone’s born shouldn’t be a fad one week then out of style the next. It’s really weird.
Humans in general are fickle and weird.
@@Zoe-xb6jd To be fair there are some variations, dadbod etc. Although I agree that generally larger is seen as better for male standards.
But also you shouldn't care about whats in or not. Your style is you and infinite and who cares about the rest. As long as you feel comfortable thats whats truly in or not.
Exactly
Yah if you been trying to get thick then quit. Next season its the mascular women in style
Not wearing makeup: ok.
Wearing makeup: ok.
Being too dependent on makeup: Not ok.
Exploiting flaws for people to buy makeup: Not ok.
Who decides they're flaws? Oneself.
@Harmony So she's weak. At the end of the day it is up to you what you consider a flaw and what you consider good.
@@danielarejas7118 she’s not weak, she was exploited. There’s so much pressure for women to be perfect and proper. I get what you’re saying, but these messages are constantly being sent to every woman. Atleast, one message ( often more) will affect us in our lifetime. Having positive support is ideal in these cases. Just saying “be yourself” isn’t gonna cut it.
This comment SUMS UP EVERYTHING
@@marilynspirit Right, it's only women who are pressured. Oh we're the poor victims always!
This has to be my favorite Jubilee middle ground discussion, no fights, no tension, just chill people talking about how they express themselves
Then I recommend you the hijabis vs non-hijabis, all the girls that were interviewed were so friendly and nice to one another
yea cuz make up isn't a big deal or controversial
@@marghejackson thank you for recommending it
i recomend strict perrents vs free range doesnt look as bad as it sounds
@@marghejackson yea that was my ABSOLUTE favorite
I love how respectful and kind everyone was! No shaming, talking over each other or judging. Everyone simply listened and felt safe to tell their story. I think that's beautiful
Fr I think this was the most respectful jubilee video I saw
@@NomNomDrawingsI was just about to comment that! But really I've never seen a Jubilee video that was so chill
Came here to say the same thing!
Personally, I hate wearing makeup since it gives me bad acne. Objectively speaking, as long as you're not hurting anybody or yourself, you do you.
Edit: If you haven't watched the Save Ralph video yet, please do so. In summary, if you like wearing makeup please make use of those vegan and/or cruelty-free types. Never support animal abuse.
The only reason i rarely have make up on. People say that i didn't remove them thoroughly but I did. I did the same thing as them but pimples keep popping up.
Let's see how many subs I can get from this one
@@alyatalitha3717 I upload photo editing tutorials you can come if you want to
My wife gets break outs every time she wears makeup as well. She actually loves putting it on, as she is really meticulous and has fun with it almost like its art.
But every single time she gets pimples or skin irritation. She has tried everything to isolate what specific product causes it, but it always irritates her skin.
My wife looks absolutely stunning with makeup. The most beautiful woman in the world for me. But I’ve long accepted that her wearing makeup 99% of the year is out of the question.
It’s opened my eyes tho at just how much work women go through for cosmetics. Its not simple. So I think men should be more understanding and not expect it. Especially when many actually suffer skin irritation.
You literally say, “objectively speaking”, and then proceed to make a subjective statement. FYI
I was worried to watch this video but they were all so respectful and voiced their opinion without judging other people, i loved it
It's a video nothing to be worried about 😂
@@aksh4wty it was an over exaggeration lol
@@tink6225 K
@@aksh4wty I upload photo editing tutorials you can come if you want but it's totally fine if you want to
Frr they're respectfull
I wish they had gotten people who do different kinds of makeup. They seem to have gotten all Instagram Baddies. I would be nice to hear a E-girl/boy thoughts or a “natural beat” person maybe even a goths person take on things.
Or even just ppl who do natural makeup
Nah.
true
yes! would have loved a goth perspective!
Was thinking the same thing.
as someone who loves makeup and has since i was i kid i still agree with many of the points by the non makeup side, it rlly depends on how each individual views makeup and what they use it for
‘Ageing is a beautiful thing and it should be celebrated’
Yeees.
Yeah maybe I shouldn't throw away my apple.
Word
Er no
yes many ppl are not lucky enough to live that long
I love the “as long as you’re not hurting anybody else” philosophy a lot of us have adopted, BUT there are still conversations to be had. Just because your behavior isn’t hurting anyone else doesn’t me we shouldn’t want to understand the origins of our desires to want to do things or the societal pressures that led us to behave certain ways.
Love your comment
Well said. Rephrased: people need to realize that you can't just use "it's not hurting anyone" as a reason to not have a conversation when, in all reality, it may not have been established that it doesn't actually hurt anyone yet.
Chick.....please.....do y’all even care about the countless animals who are abused in make up testing? Or the foreign labor that goes into acquiring the resources?
Make up ALREADY hurts plenty in this world....we just don’t care lol
People need to realize their decisions are not made in a vacuum. Like these are sexist beauty standards regardless if someone's individual opinion is that they like it
People should be able to do what they want if it's not hurting anyone else, and it's not illegal pretty much. That's all.
Makeup only becomes harmful when someone “can’t” be without it and is psychologically dependent on it for their confidence or sense of identity
That’s why I sometimes don’t like wearing makeup, if I believe I am beautiful naturally then why would I cover up my face to make myself look like a different version of myself even if it’s just mascara or lipstick it still makes me look different so I do try to take a very natural approach to makeup
yeah thats why i think there should be a balance with it
Most girls are dependent on it for a confidence boost. You rarely see any girls with no make on at a club/bar on a weekend
@@liggmabawls5634 I mean you rarely see women or men at bars/clubs with sweats and slides on lol makeup is the same as clothes, people wear it based on the occasion. If I’m going to my cousins wedding, I’m gonna wear heels, a fancy dress, and makeup. If I’m going to the gym, I’m not going to wear makeup and put on my dirty running shoes. If I’m going to work at the office I’m going to put my hair up, wear flats, slacks, and a work button up. It’s all based on the occasion. I personally feel pretty no matter what I’m wearing or how much makeup I have, as long as I personally like what I have on then I feel good. If I don’t like the makeup I have one, or the shirt I’m wearing or the shoes I’m walking in then I won’t feel confident, no matter where I am
@@liggmabawls5634 The key word is “dependent” though. Liking makeup or preferring makeup isn’t the same as *needing* makeup.
Bryn seems so peaceful and amazing, someone I’d be friends with. I don’t wear makeup so much anymore and I feel way better now.
She seems like someone with whom I can sit down and have deep knowledgeable interactions.
for real she looks like such a kind soul. Just from the way she listens to people and talks to them. What a sweet person
I feel like body hair (on women) would be an interesting middle ground topic!
Please do!
What about body hair and facial hair on men?why is all the scrutiny and judgement reserved only for women?
@@DaughterofMother1 body hair on men is a societal normality ... whereas women are expected to live up to a beauty standard of ‘smooth legs’, ‘smooth arms’ and the list goes on.
@@DaughterofMother1 They could have a separate video on that too! That would be interesting as well. I just feel that a video which tried to talk about both at the same time wouldn't really capture the nuance/differences between the two.
Ooooouuuuuuhhh
I live in Japan and many company's here require that their female employees wear make- up. If they don't they'd have to go home. Always thought it was an unethical and toxic rule
I’m not surprised
All airline companies in the world do that too
How much makeup? Like some mascara and lipgloss or a full face?
@@nah_. my wife doesn't use any mascara or lip gloss but she def has to cake up or she can't go to to her department store job. She's beautiful without it tho
Girl many companies arround the world have this too
maaaan the lighting of these middle ground episodes doesn't flatter anyone, makeup or not
Lol yea.. Flourescent lights show dark circles under the eyes and overall just makes anyone look a bit worse. *ahem* I'm looking at you, schools.
Literally, I can link you guys some amazon ring lights 😂
Idk but in all the episodes it helped me focus more on what they have to share than how they look
This is why I literally go in like every room when I am getting ready
Please add a soft box pointing up and at them ♥️ 💡
i love makeup but i really wanna be friends with Bryn shes such a pure soul ❤️
it sucks cuz women who wear makeup are more likely to be hired and promoted but at the same time women who wear makeup are seen as frivolous and told that they wear makeup just for men. women just can’t win
Lol wahhh
@@liggmabawls5634 what.....?
Women have been wearing and obsessed with makeup since ancient times - long before the current makeup industry existed. Its not just some con played on women by and industry or men at large - its something that actually comes about because of (many) womens human nature. Im not saying its positive or that it has to be negative - but women will never stop feeling insecure about their appearances or trying to improve them and idealized versions of women will always exist. There's nothing you can do about it - its human nature, its womens nature.
@@poocrayon4588 Oh F off
@@poocrayon4588 women haven’t been obsessed with wearing makeup. in fact in old times both man and women used to wear makeup. anyway idk what was the point of ur comment
It's very interesting how the ones with full makeup refer to social media while non-makeup refer to real life.
Righttt, they did. Just shows how much social media *u*ks up our life.
it is also cause they are the influencers. it is their job to put on makeup for social media which is why they have a perspective on it
@@asthenamesuggests9513 it’s doesn’t show that, wearing makeup doesn’t mean your life is fucked up
@@addie3147 what? It was not what I was saying at all. I'm talking about how social media put you in a space where you think there was nothing in life except existing on the internet.
I know how that feels like, I was there, my real life was completely out of control over building the imagery I wanted to present to the internet. It does *u*k up our mind and honestly, people that is so on the loop would not be able to discover real life connection until they realize how much social media changes their cognitive function and the way their brain works.
Broooo!
When they discussed kids wearing makeup I just thought of body glitter and bright blue eyeshadow not lashes and foundation!
Right
Same
Yeah but I also have seen middle school kids do other people’s makeup and it’s just as good as a professional
Yeah when I was like 10 and would be in dance shows we would wear eyeshadow and lipgloss, possibly blush, and body glitter, and that would be all
And that’s what I was thinking of
But when I think of 10 year olds I see around nowadays, they’re in full glam (even when not in a show or going to a party or something, like if they’re just going to the store or to meet with a friend)
And I personally don’t agree with that, but I’m not their parent so
Yeah, I think that fun stuff is fine--when I was a young kid I remember finding glitter and eyeshadow exciting but in no way did it affect my self-esteem. Lashes and foundation is a whole other story.
The real question is "why do you wear makeup?" Many people feel the need to wear it or else they are not succeeding the standards and are less than. I personally believed this at one point in my life and now I am proud to say that I do not wear makeup anymore. It really messes me up and I don't want to feel the need of looking perfect because I don't look perfect and it's important to show that.
I feel like wearing makeup is one of those things that shouldn't even be an issue. If you want to wear it, fine. If you don't, fine. I'll never understand why some people make a big deal out of whether or not other people wear it.
Edit: To clarify, I’m not saying we shouldn’t talk about makeup and the social implications of wearing or not wearing it. I’m saying I think it’s something that society shouldn’t have made into an issue in the first place.
It shouldn't be an issue I agree. But it is for many people right now, so I think it's important to talk about it. To reassure people it's ok to wear a lot, it's ok to NOT wear any, it's ok for a guy to wear it too, it's ok not to wear it ALWAYS and no feel ashamed to show yourself without... I think there's many ways it causes issues, but overall the problem is lack of acceptance in society. The more diverse and accepting society is, the less of an issue is this, because everyone can feel ok in their skin without comparing themselves to others and to beauty standards.
@Tyler B #2 this is literally a makeup discussion, don’t bring your ideas on religion into this
@Tyler B #2 And that doesn't contribute to the discussion and isn't even relevant. knock it off, Tyler.
I think because it affects society. Like if you're a woman and you see makeup as objectifying women or promoting the idea that women should meet these standards, I see why others wearing it would bother you. I wear makeup but I recognize it has a problematic side.
I see makeup like clothes. Some people like wearing suits and heels and fancy dresses, some like sweats and t shirts. Some like both. Never understood the big deal either
I don’t think it’s fair to judge others for wearing makeup!! I love how I look with AND without makeup-but I think u should do whatever makes u feel most beautiful
True, but its not fair to judge others how dont wear makeup
Yeah I totally agree with you on that!
Omg hi
Too bad social media users promote the literal opposite of what you said by posting filtered photos of themselves, making others feel insecure, leading them down the never-ending path of fakery.
The messages put out there by “influencers” to “love yourself” as they spend loads on plastic surgery and hours on photoshop is comedy at it’s finest, and clown logic at it’s best.
omg so true and i love you so much
I would have liked a person pro makeup who didnt have full glam on. A lot of us who wear makeup dont do it like that everyday.
I was hoping there would be someone like that too.
i’m that person
right i do my brows and wear lashes to accentuate myself not change how i look🥴
Same :)
Yes! That would've been great
this was SUCH a beautiful conversation, one of the most respectful and understanding that I've seen on this page
"Women are oppressed by todays beauty standards"
Everyone should have come out front.
Why?
Maybe if they had all women on the makeup side...
Facts, males or females, they should’ve went up
I totally agree
@@justcurious2439 because the beauty industry is often incredibly toxic and sets up unrealistic expectations for women especially. we can be made to feel unworthy and ugly because we don't look as flawless as people on social media who wear makeup and then don a filter over top
That story of him going to Sephora is SO accurate. It's so backwards because you'd think a a person with no make up on in that store would want help with the product. But anytime I go in with no make up I typically get ignored and feels like they're looking down on me.
I feel that too! It’s the worst!
it's interesting to hear about your experience because when i go into sephora, especially when i go alone, the sephora employees always ask if i need help but i always feel like they're watching me and expecting me to steal something... 😔and i don't wear make up.
I’ll be honest I really don’t feel that vibe with sephora employees? I don’t wear much makeup when I go in there but everyone seems to be fine. Idk if you guys are overthinking it but then again I usually don’t pay much attention to staff.
@@TimidAction it's most likely a case of different experiences rather than us over thinking it. I wear fairly androgynous clothing as well so that could be an aspect. Region could be an element, too. I'm glad to hear you don't have that experience though because it is rather uncomfortable haha.
Fact, when I walk into the drugstore dressed and pressed everyone asks if I need help or assistance. The story changes when I’m bare-faced, in Ugg’s and my old man coat 🙄
I hear the people who say it’s empowering and they love wearing it, but I 100% relate to the woman who spoke about the disadvantage it gives you. It’s terrible that a man can enter an interview with a bare face but a woman is often not given the job for it. I recommend watching a good morning Britain interview about the issue. The pro-makeup woman said she wouldn’t hire a woman who had a bare face as they would seem unprofessional. It’s unbelievable
I saw that too, I was like if the person could do their job why should we care if they wear makeup or not.
ok not given the job for it , I think you're overreacting , that's not true
Yeah, I don't really wear makeup on an average day, so I probably wouldn't wear any at an interview. If someone didn't want to hire me for it, then I wouldn't want to work there anyway.
This. 100% this. This is kinda like what I said to my boyfriend the other day, "I like wearing makeup, but the problem is that I feel like I HAVE to."
@@samaradashwood1491 it actually is true.. it would be wise for you to educate yourself before you falsify an accurate statement.
I think wearing makeup raises our expectation of what a person looks like especially women(many women wear makeup) and i find it harmful in the sense that it kind of erases the natural beauty of a person and creates a false image of what a beautiful person is supposed to look like. Men don't have to wear makeup to be attractive because we are naturally attracted to them and the same thing should be applied to women. Gist of it is that a woman's natural face should be normalised and considered attractive without any makeup.
This is so true
@@ThatBeach23 From what I have seen, teens and young women are more into makeup whereas middle aged women wear very minimal makeup. What you said might be true but this happens both ways as teens want to look older than their age.
I agree. The majority of women wear make up and I've caught myself no longer being interested in women when I see them without make up a lot of times. It can be confusing!
@@ThatBeach23 that is just not true? most teens do not have flawless skin. me and everyone around me had acne riddled skin and we just looked awkward now that i’m 20, my skin is finally great. idk if you consider 20 young tho….
@@ThatBeach23 uh, maybe kids have clear skin, but most teenagers definitely don’t.
the girl with the long brown hair who doesn’t wear makeup is STUNNING omg
edit: thanks for the likes-
Agreed! When she said males don’t talk to her without makeup, I was like 🤯😨. No way girl I’d holla at any moment 😭🤣😂
@@Bribreezzzyy PLSSS SAME
She really is pretty.. you can see her soul
@@benjaminreyes3624 her soul?!
I SAID THE SAME THING!!
I think they got people who are very passionate about make up and are also influencers on social media. This however is not the majority. Most don't wear make up because it's arts, they wear it because, and i quote, "I can't go out like this", "nobody can see me like this", "i look sick", "i dont have my brows on, i'm naked" etc. If i look around at my normal friends and classmates they don't do it because they like themselves, they do it because they DONT. That's when i have a problem with it. These girls would LITTERALY APOLOGIZE for their face. If this is not the case for you than that's lovely
Totally true 🙏
YES!
100% agree. I really don’t buy the narrative that people are just ‘expressing themselves’. It just sounds like insecurity is being masked as empowerment nowadays.
Who are you to have a problem for how a person views themselves. You people are insanely entitled
Its just makeup dont villanize it. If you got issues its not the makeup, its you and not wearing makeup is not gonna fix it. You gotta work on you as a person and the outside will not matter anymore.
Brynn seems incredibly intelligent, and has a distinct soft spoken way about her that I appreciate.
I feel the same way about her
Honestly, I'm in love with her❤️😂
there’s just something so off about her body language
yess i was so drawn to her
@@kleiosoulioti2041 What sort of off?
I loved the no makeup people. They were so genuine. I felt like the makeup wearers were a bit in denial.
Denial about what exactly?
@@poopy_kitty0160well at 14:12, she said people go to the extreme and don’t look like themselves anymore. But she’s denying that she’s one of those people
@@poopy_kitty0160well they have to wear a mask everyday to feel confident they are just like antifa members losers without the mask bold , confident , and destructive when their mask is on
Honestly, there should've been more variety with the "pro makeup" crowd.
Like, have a regular person doing the Instagram Look, but also someone whose style/subculture needs makeup (like Goth), have a professional makeup artist for fashion and TV/film, and another makeup artist who works in theatre.
Every person in the video is the typical Insta Baddie and they all look the same and have the exact same makeup style.
Yes, this! It also would’ve been cool to see people who prefer more natural makeup looks, to get their perspective. Everyone here is full glam
Yes! Like, Of Herbs and Altar! My favorite YT goth. Too bad they’re not in the States. Maybe Jubilee can do remote videos (like at the start of the pandemic) sometimes just for more diversity?
Hi! Just a side note, as someone who has been in the goth subculture for 18 years, goth has nothing to do with apperance or makeup, it's totally music based 😊
Yes I would have loved too see an alternative person on here even tho the subcultures are mostly music and political based self expression is important and the make up is a big part of that
You notice? I used to like this channel but sometimes it seems to have an obvious bias
Bryn was so open-minded I honestly want to be friends with her.
She is so insightful
she just seems so kind and loving and i love her style too :3
thank you friends!!
@@brynchesser3547 Can't believe you actually answered! Hope you have a great day
@@redwolfe3455 I know right?
Brynn is the kind of girl you can have an endless conversation with. She is philosophical and knowledgeable. She seems she reads a lot of books.
Truly a fascinating person
"Philosophical"
Dunno, I personally felt she brought the least to the table with her cliched arguments, and a very negative overall presence.
@@maitri4032 To each their own.
@@neerand i felt the same way! I couldn’t think of the word to describe her, but i felt she’d be an awesome person to connect and vibe with . ☀️
Completely got this vibe too, whatever camera time she did get her answers were informative and evocative to a lot of people.
I used to not even walk out the front door without a FULL face of makeup. Now, for the past 3 years, I’ve gone without makeup and I feel more confident than ever!
Can we point out how people are calling the white girl 'homeless' or bad looking in the comments...she looks so normal. This is what a lot of girls look like without makeup, but since makeup exists the beauty standard for women is higher than it is for men. The other girl commented on how women without makeup are perceived as less put together and the comments are just proving that point.
Edit: A lot of people are saying 'it's the hair'. Some people naturally just have messy or frizzy looking hair and that's fine too. I know someone who has thin hair and struggles to make it look 'nice' no matter how much she brushes it. It still comes back to the same point though, that people make rude comments about women who they think have 'less attractive' features and aren't constantly done up with nice makeup, their hair done, and nice clothes.
So true. I look so much like her without makeup on. In my opinion she doesn’t even look bad. I think makeup just makes people look more flashy ya know.
She doesn’t look ‘homeless’ or bad to me, but I honestly did question why she didn’t brush her hair
@@bluewave152 Definitely the hair.
@@bluewave152 my hair looks like that even if I brush it. like a third of it resembles a wire, and another third is thin and split. it makes that unbrushed look no matter how you try, unless you flat iron it
@@deemah3602 same lol
(in my situation it looks okish for 10 minutes after brushing it but then it goes downhill.)
"the beauty industry often uses makeup to make people insecure so they buy their products" and "makeup can be a tool of creative self expression" are two statements that can coexist. at least in my book.
yes i agree
I somehow really like the blond girl without makeup, she’s speaking a lot of truth
@Emily Duncan yeah lol why because she’s blonde and Caucasian? But I shouldn’t assume that’s what the comment meant and the comment is positive just I don’t know what “somehow” means
@@yonicepaprika7534 prob bc she's not that typical pretty girl who usually gets instantly liked judt by being pretty.
@@LiMaking sHeS nOT lIKe oThER gIRls
@@shakilaazimi7900 I don't get how that fits in here. She looks like most girls.
@Emily Duncan yes 😂 because I can’t for certain explain why I guess I like her charisma
Weird that people have such a strong opinions about makeup. I wear it sometimes, and some other times feels like slaying my natural face. I feel great in both times. its really all about what makes you happy...
At the end of the day, just do what makes you feel best. Wear makeup if you want, even if it’s tons of it. Don’t wear makeup if you want, IT DOESN’T MATTER! There’s no same in wearing makeup, there’s no shame in not wearing makeup. What matters most is your personality and your actions.
My only issue is when you use make up to attract others I’m like “you do know the guy is gonna eventually see you without that mask right?”
@@imanigordon6803 this might be a shock to u but ppl can wear makeup for themselves
@@nendu4316 that would be interesting!
@@imanigordon6803 I mean, at the end of the day, yeah, but like, there’s nothing wrong with that. Also, not everyone’s intention is to attract someone because they’re wearing makeup. Sometimes people can’t help it, people are attracted to them regardless, that doesn’t mean they’re doing a certain thing for them. I totally get what you’re saying though, but that’s almost like saying people may use clothes to attract others, and being like “you know the guy is going to see you eventually without clothes right”. Like, why does it matter🤷🏾♀️ sometimes for someone makeup might be necessary like how clothes are necessary, I mean, I’m sure you’ve seen the horrible reactions people have to natural things like acne. Like, for someone, covering that up isn’t really to attract others, but make them more comfortable with themselves ya know. I definitely do get your point though, no makeup is your preference.
@@shifa444 many do but you can’t deny some people use it to attract men and thirst trap
Thank you so much for having me. I loved this experience. Reading the comments makes me so happy and proud ! It is ok to wear make up and it is ok To not wear make up just love yourself !
You’re beautiful, girl! Loved your perspective, thank you for sharing 💜
I loved your energy and the way you spoke! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
@@chispamia awww thank you so much ❤️❤️
Girl i loved your energy!!! Keep being amazing!!
U looked stunning 💖🔥
I really like Bryn
She's so sweet and chill and well spoken.
True but she gives you the wrong impression by neglecting her looks
@@jadegirl12 wtf-did you even watch the video?
Sis screams insecurity and thinks she's doing a big statement by not caring about herself. Get a cute dress, some conditioner, and get some therapy (most importantly) Bryn!
@@keliniajohnson9397 you sound mad salty over a stranger for no reason... relax
@@keliniajohnson9397 she just looks a bit shy and super chill and her dress is cute
This is a great conversation. I personally have a bare face 95% of the time and I love how I look without makeup. Obviously i feel a lot more feminine, confident, and conventionally beautiful with it on. But I can’t imagine allowing myself to make it so habitual that everyone is used to seeing me in it and only in it. I almost view it as catfishing and it makes me feel inauthentic and like I’m playing a role rather than being myself completely. I don’t know it’s weird 🤣 but I just feel more genuine and at peace when I’m not wearing it. The only times I put it on is for events or photo shoots or nights out with my friends which are few and far between. I like that people are used to my real face because that way I Feel like they know the real me and not just this character I’m playing in the moment. It would stress me more if I wore makeup often and then had to keep it up daily because that’s how everyone was used to seeing me and they hadn’t seen the imperfect version of my face. I actually HATE how I look with a super beat face because I can’t even recognize myself
THIS you said everything I think lol
Chris referencing not having makeup on as looking “bummy” is actually a good point for the non-makeup side. If you don’t wear makeup or enough makeup, you look less than. Why should makeup mean anything having to do with how well put together I am as a person?
I think when most people say they look bummy, they usually mean that they didn’t put as much effort into their look as they usually do, therefore if your usual routine consists of a full face of makeup and you don’t do any of it, it will make u feel bummy. It doesn’t necessarily mean less attractive, just less effort. I don’t think he meant it makes you less of a person though, thank you for the insight I didn’t see it this way while I was watching
@@audreyolmedo5109 i thought so too i honestly feel less motivated and less energetic without putting on makeup it makes me more awake i feel like
you look less than what?
He’s talking about himself looking gummy compared to how he normally looks with makeup on.
My dad said women that look like a rag-rat are a turn off and no man wants to go near them, you guys have to look mature and clean, me and my 3 sisters and no brothers: shut the frick up
Can we have a middle ground on women shaving or not shaving
Yes interesting
This. I wanna see.
Ewwwwww
@@slays2798 can I ask what’s gross about body hair we’re born with which is natural? why should we force ourselves into these ideals and see it as something disgusting, just so a few people on top can get rich on pushing products. I think everyone should have a choice based on what they truly want to do, and one option shouldn’t be expected over the other
Yess I wanna see this
Make up is such an interesting thing for me, because in engineering classes I always found that people took me *less* seriously when I wore makeup and feminine clothing.
The more I dressed down (or like a guy), the more people interacted with me like normal.
It's almost like people associated makeup with femininity (or maybe vanity?) and that was somehow incompatible with intelligence.
I found the same thing! Even got asked out one time in engineering class, wasn't wearing makeup. I asked my brothers and they said it would have been because I looked "more approachable" laughed about it anyway!
Definitely due to misogyny
As a woman I found those who wear less make up in my college classes seem more approachable. Nothing to do with perceived vanity and it's only a first impression.
if there was a rating most women would be around a 4 - 6, makeup boosted it to a 7 - 9. Also we guys don't know how you is when you wear makeup. we would think that she has a boyfriend already or she is out of my league
I noticed a similar thing in the beginning of the video. The women without makeup all registered as normal individuals to me, but the ones with make up on were somehow off putting to me. I think you’re on the right track with the vanity guess. To me, excessive makeup has always been a sign of a lack of personality... I’m guessing that in engineering it’s all about performance, so I could see how vanity and conceitedness would be viewed very negatively.
I used to wear makeup every single day from age 18-27. I couldn’t even leave the house without it. I stopped wearing it about 7 months ago and it’s wonderful! I put some on occasionally when I feel like it but normally I’m just too lazy and don’t feel like it’s necessary. I love getting extra sleep in the morning.
At the beginning of the video Sabrina mentioned how she had a lot of confidence going out in public without make up on. But further through the video she mentioned that she slept with make up on when staying overnight with her boyfriend, even getting make up on the pillow case. And when he asked her to become her girlfriend on Valentine’s Day, she washed her face and wanted to show him who she really was but was still trying to hide. Thats definitely NOT confidence. It’s sad that she felt that she had to worry about being VISUALLY accepted with a bare face by the person whom professes his love for her.
i think this is a common experience many women face
@@eris1279 unfortunately so 🥲
Lol straight called her out on it 😂 I didn’t catch that. That’s true though.
@@user-nx1vh4ej9q the trans one is La Demi, not Sabrina
I think there is also a realization that comes with it. Most people who wear make up do not like like their bare face AT ALL. It’s like looking at two diff people.
I've always had the mindset to only wear makeup during special events. I don't want people to get used to my makeup face because, when you don't wear makeup, people start thinking you look worse than you actually do when you go without it because they've gotten used to your makeup face. That's just me though.
I completely agree with this and am the same.
The worst part is that you can think the same way about yourself. It took me so long to accept my *actual face* again since I stopped using it everyday.
And the best part is that people notice it more when it's done on special events only - you look nice and still feel good when it's gone after that day.
I love this! I only put a lot of effort into my hair and appearance during specual events because that makes them even more special😌
I agree, I'm the same way.
I do the same!
I was honestly kind of shocked none of the makeup people seem to think beauty standards are oppressive... I don't think we should judge anyone for choosing to or choosing not to wear makeup, but really? You don't think beauty standards are oppressive to ANYone? Maybe they should have used a different word than oppressive cause it seems like some of them didn't know what that meant but... still.
That because two of the makeup people are biological men lol. Of course they wouldn’t understand.
I was surprised too. I think beauty standards are obviously oppressive, especially for WOC (particularly brown & darker skin WOC)
exactly, like darker skinned people all around the world are constantly being oppressed by the universal beauty standard so that was weird to only see two people agree
@@jennyj4111 yh why were they even included lmfao
exactly.. I was really shocked.. Even though they might be immune to fall prey to their exploitation, it very much exists and denying that is delusional in my opinion
i would love to see a middle ground for and against cosmetic surgery :)
Yas! Nowadays is so normalized but I'd like to hear other people's opinion on the topic :)
They already filmed a one about that
@@brianna4657definitely not normalized, unless you’re online or live in a city like Miami or LA
Nah in the UK every woman has lip filler it's crazy (source I'm a woman in the UK @@Koleys
Bryn seems sweet and fragile. I hope she finds her peace. She truly speaks from the soul. I can feel her sadness and I hope she is doing well.
Omg I thought she was going to cry, hope whatever it was,passed and that she is fine now. :/
White women are not sweet and fragile.
@@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 lol chill out
i agree that she was very sweet, I wouldn't say "fragile". Sounds disrespectful.
@@melleaha.bwilliams5644 how is it disrespectful, you can see how affected she was. I meant more so soft spoken and reserved.
Diligence in skincare did much more for my confidence than make up ever did.
lol same, why enhance or fix smthg temporarily with no long term skin benefits when u can do that progressively and receive long term benefits
Ngl same
Share tips please!
@@justarandomguy3781 idk what to really say find the right products that work for your skin type and will effectively clear your skin. It’s a process and not everything will work but it’s worth it
@@justarandomguy3781 u can look into the 10 step korean skincare routine. U dont have to do everything but it’ll help u figure out what order of products to do. I only really do like 4-5 steps and my acne went away. Like omg ppl compliment my skin now. Pretty cool. Also, AHA, BHA, and PHA r ur best friends but better to find ur skin type first. If ur barely starting it’ll def feel like a trial and error process. But just keep watching vids. Also asian skincare is ✨mwah✨
I wear makeup regularly and I found myself agreeing with the ‘no makeup’ side of the discussion way more, they just seemed more open minded and realistic with themselves.
Same
The discussion about the fox eye trend was very interesting for me because I’m East Asian. I didn’t know that people likened the fox eye to our eyes and so I didn’t know people like me were getting offended. If anything, now knowing this fact, I feel flattered because it makes me feel less insecure about my upturned eyes and it has made me appreciate my natural features a lot more. Sure, trends come and go, and I actually don’t follows beauty trends because I already have my own style. But this trend has made me feel beautiful and feel at peace with my eyes haha
It's not actually supposed to look like the typical 'asian' eyes, it's just that some asian people made the connection and tried to prevent others from doing it
@@naariznica3133 oh lol 😂 people really be making a big deal out of anything these days haha
Upturned eyes are pretty
@@naariznica3133 it is thank you, and it is asian fishing, seen ariana grande? - countless people. you would not understand the bullying and racism I experienced because of my eyeshape.... and now people make our eyes a trend, its unacceptable just like blackfishing. trends come and go and dont care whom they hurt. and slanting the eye is all you need to tell. its so disrespectful to me personally, because of the bullying and self harm ive endured because of the discrimination.
@@blackequine.official it's really not, it's just that you have victim mentality and feel so self important that you have to make everything about you. Let me tell you that eye shape isn't strictly east asian either. I guess you are an american. That is not a problem anywhere else in world. Get off your high horse. Just because you suffered because of it doesn't mean others need to.
can we just say the lighting isn't doing NONE of these ladies and gentleman any justice
Ikr it’s almost enhancing their skin textures
I think that’s just the reality of makeup. It doesn’t erase your skin texture.
looks like they’re all shining a flashlight up at their faces. y’all know
No whoever’s in charge of lighting is an actual villain
thats what makeup looks like in real life lol, it’s not magic, it doesn’t remove texture
I barely use any makeup and I get intimidated by girls that wear such flawless makeup. I feel like society makes us feel like we have to know how to do makeup to seen as pretty. I try not to let makeup define who I am as a person. It is very challenging though 😓
Honestly I’ve never met someone in real life that has ‘flawless’ makeup, sure I know so many people who look great with it on and know how to blend correctly and use all the right techniques. But skin naturally has texture, I don’t know anyone who doesn’t have a few blemishes or dark circles- and they show through makeup in real life. I think the ‘ideal’ makeup we’re all so jealous of and strive to achieve doesn’t exist in real life but more so in the filtered online world
I know exactly what you mean! But hey we're beautiful with and without makeup, own it! 💜
Exactly 😂 makeup makes it so you have to wear it to compete. You guys want people to get use to a very attractive version and then when no makeup you are completely different.
That’s why I never started wearing makeup! I felt tremendous pressure to do makeup perfectly amongst my peers and everything I saw on social media, which I knew I had no interest in achieving, so I opted out of makeup altogether.
I get what you're saying, but nobody is flawless. And for me, I've experienced that you're going to be judged either way. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Just fuck what everyone else thinks. You do what makes you feel happy and comfortable and you'll be fine 😊❤
I would like to hear this conversation take place somewhere like South Korea, where I think the pressure on women to wear makeup is exponentially greater than it is here in the US
True. I would especially want to hear the perspectives of women from the "no corset" or "escape the corset movement."
I completely agree
It is. When I traveled in Korea, I wore makeup every day except for one - and a few people approached me telling me I am "brave for not wearing makeup". A young man explained to me that women wearing makeup in Korea is seen as the same as wearing clothes, meaning a daily necessity. And he has never seen a Korean woman between the ages of 14-40 without makeup in his country. Interesting! Yet sad...!
@@LA-cm9uo
Tragic really, that’s disheartening to hear. They truly worship visual beauty in women to an extremely high extent and it’s kinda toxic. I understand being presentable is something important in their society but it’s really awful how the standard is so much higher for women. I hate to say this and i don’t mean it in a rude way but their society is very vain.
im koreanamerican. in korea right now. my mom doesn't wear makeup, my aunt doesnt wear makeup, i have female cousins who dont wear makeup. It really depends on where you are, what you do, who you are. Not all women in korea wear makeup and are hyperfocused on their looks or want to look like kdrama actresses. It's really diverse.
I don't wear makeup because it's expensive and I'm lazy
There's no deeper philosophy really
Sameeeeee. !!!
Seriously. I have to take it off, too?? Girl, I'm just trying to go to bed 😅
Anjir kirain orang mana wkwk tapi aku suka jawabanmu 😂
I hope they fix the lighting in the next episode because in a lot of scenes it looks like people don’t have eyes, particularly those on the make up side
I really don’t understand how the majority didn’t think that beauty standards are oppressive. Every society and culture inevitably will have a beauty standard but just the idea that “you should look like this and 80% of society will treat you as less than for not looking like this” is very oppressive for everyone tbh. And there’s a lot of sexism in the beauty standards we set for women vs men
i definitely think that it was because everyone has a different view on the word oppression. I would totally agree with your point, but at the same time, i don't think it's outright oppressing.😁
HOW WHY DID ONLY TWO PEOPLE STEP FORWARD ABOUT WOMAN BEING OPPRESSED BY BEAUTY STANDARDS OMGSKSHS
literally the first question and i was so shocked! like i legit wear makeup often but girl the beauty standards 100% affect women no questions asked
two of them whispered that they didn't know what "oppressed" means. I just ...
I lost all hope when only two people stepped up for that question 😩 that’s how you know they are seriously brainwashed
I got highkey shocked 🤣
because the rest don’t think women are oppressed? i mean, yes, there are ”standards”, but if you feel oppressed by them maybe it’s your insecurity speaking. i’ve never felt the need to do something just because others do and i’m a woman. i’ve never been forced into a mold (at least successfully).
I see make-up as an art form. I adore getting creative with eye looks and what-not. It's like painting on my face. I LOVE Halloween for the reason of going all out with costumes, makeup, sfx, cosplay, etc. I don't usually wear it out, but when I do, it's used as an accessory.
THIS.
Aleenah is so well-spoken and some of the points she brought up were very thought-provoking, at least to me. Definitely one of the best episodes.
As some who once used makeup to hide from the world and felt too insecure to leave my house without it to now a woman who loves a full face of glam but can easily be around the public without any. It's all about your confidence and having a healthy relationship with makeup
Yes!! I used to feel like I could only look pretty with makeup on. Now I feel just as beautiful without it, but I still wear makeup every now and then.
Yes thissss!
@@mareb7946 if you truly felt beautiful, you wouldn’t wear it
I agree with almost everything Bryn said, i don’t hate people who use make up, you can use it, I just don’t think one should depend on it to live up to a beauty standard, that’s toxic.
...But you can use make up and not be following beauty standards. Like the whole trend with outlining your eyebags, or some people give them self makeup blemishes as a style.
Who decided it’s "toxic?" Sounds like an opinion
I'm glad they discussed skincare. This was informative and fun to watch. Everyone was friendly and open. I noticed many of the things people have already commented on, but something else that stood out was how the makeup wearers were groomed and their posture was also a stark contrast from the non-makeup wearers. Body language and how we groom ourselves say a lot about how we feel about ourselves too
They say beauty standards aren't oppressive but then La Demi said she felt uncomfortable leaving the house without make up in fear of not being seen as a female. I can understand if she used it to maybe alter her face structure to appear more feminine but I imagine it was used as most beauty standards expect of women. The fact you're seen as a female for wearing make up shows beauty standards are oppressive
also La Demi only further supports it by conforming to them for the sake of wanting to "look" like a woman.
@nathan gray uh no she's a woman 😅
@nathan gray yeah exactly. Bc the weird thing she's insinuating is that when you don't have makeup on as a woman, you'll be a man. And that's not true.. the only reason she experiences that is bc shes not actually a woman (no offense) and has to put on that performance to appear to be one version of womanhood. But being a woman doesn't have anything to do with whether you wear makeup or not. Low key, she basically just said to everyone in that room who doesn't wear or have makeup on is less of a woman...
@@Jaimelikegem she didn't say that, her insecurity is intersectional. She wasn't naturally born with the female phenotype, so she's worried that her features would appear too masculine and she'd get "mis-gendered". That's a completely different situation from the vast majority of cisgender women who don't have to worry about being mistaken for a man.
Beanz even when transgenders wear makeup they still look masculine. Can’t change ur masculine bone structure n body type
Fio said men don’t approach her when she’s not wearing makeup. But she has natural beauty!.
Which I find weird bc it seems men approach you more when you have none on
@@MizuHarajuku56 I feel like some men are hypocritical in that aspect because they say they prefer natural women but almost all of the time only approach those with makeup on..
@@omymatoor1152 lol ..true they're hypocritical
she only count attractive men as "men" probably
@@gloriaklein4706 I'm not hypocritical
It’s only a problem if you find you don’t feel comfortable leaving the house without it, just shows you’re not comfortable in your own skin.
Not necessarily true when people expect women to wear makeup. You can be perfectly comfortable in your own looks but if you’re compared to everyone else who has makeup, you’re perceived as less “put together”
@@torik7256 fuck that lil noise then, who the fuck are they to judge you? only you can truly judge yourself.
@@ryan-mj6ts a lot of jobs will see a women wearing no makeup as unprofessional though
@@torik7256 you just proved my point, when the expectation of putting on makeup gets to you, it’s a problem
Thats so true, couldn't agree more. Then again its different for everyone.
The only reason are my acne spots..it makes me so self conscious ...i used to not care some years ago ...but now since i care more about how I look , i unlocked " this new problem of mine. 🙃
As an autistic woman, makeup plays a huge role in my life. It allows me to express myself, to feel like myself and to control how people perceive me. I also find that by wearing loud, colourful makeup, I attract the kind of people that I feel safe unmasking around into my life which is huge for me
Why do you need it to feel like yourself though? Like you are always you
Exactly! I love everything you said, makeup and clothes are vehicles for finding your people
This was the most sane, respectful, thoughtful, insightful, opinionated discussion I have ever seen. Not just on Internet.
U should watch the hijab one. It's so wholesome like a friends reunion.
Agreed. It was really easy to listen and completely understand both sides
As a girl who’s never worn makeup and is very tom-boyish, I don’t see that there’s any problem in wearing makeup. As long as it makes you feel good in yourself, then you should be able to wear however much YOU want, and not how much your partner says you should, your friends, or a random person on the street. :)
Im a tomboy too and totally agree! :)
Same
And your partner is free to dump your butt if they think youve started caking on clown makeup
I am asexual so I don't wear makeup, also I attract fuckboys alot, idk, I eat healthy and sometimes go for walk to stay in shape and stay fit, beauty is not just makeup but figure height fashion and inner beauty
Good advice!
As someone who is asian, the fox eye trend really is something that bothers me.
Today, people will come up to me and pull their eyes to make them look smaller, and call me Corona virus.
It hurts. Many times when non-asians make their eyes look smaller because its trendy, they are looked at as beautiful, but when asians are born with these eyes, we are looked at as ugly or just different.
im so sorry, you don’t deserve any of that ❤️.
I really sympathize with you.
I'm black and have naturally full lips and thick thighs. About 10 years ago when I was in elementary i got called gorilla/monkey because of my natural features. About 6 years ago during the tumblr era thigh gaps were such a thing. That plus that straight emo hair. At the age of 14/15 i felt conscious about my weight and wanted to lose weight to try and get that thigh gap. Plus straightened my hair every single morning, damaging my beautiful curls
Now in the present full lips are a trend, plus being slim thick/dummy thick.
I realized that i fell in and out of trends without trying and don't care anymore. These temporary trends could easily effect my (mental) health permanently
reminds me how people made fun of black people for bigger lips and said they’re “only good for oral”. what do they do now? LIP INJECTIONS!! people are just trying to keep up with whatever is hot at the moment. don’t listen to them. almost everything i got bullied for is a trend. including my goddamn brown skin?? insane. try your hardest to not let it affect you. don’t let them win. know they’re the ones miserable because they aren’t happy with themselves either. that’s why they try to bring you down with em. walk right past them. they’re suffering but you don’t have to suffer with them. be thankful you aren’t a trashcan like them lol
@@CocoaPuffss that last sentence hits hard lol. i agree. i feel so bad that many men, women, and kids are just under so much pressure. humans were put here with main focus to survive and now...physical appearance is more important than being healthy. it definitely is mental as well. many companies and the media do not care about triggering depression/body dysmorphia etc. this type of pain is enabled among society as a whole and it’s just so sad but it’s so far in that speaking on it will not change many people’s insecurities and how deep they go. i’m glad you realized this.
I can totally see that as offensive. Personally I have double lid which I'm perfectly fine with and love the look of a monolid and the uniqueness of it. But as said, when you don't have it and you are trying to mimic it.. I don't think I would've done it. I would feel as if I'm hurting someone even if my intentions are good. You need to think about how it'll be understood by others and how it'll make them feel.
Same with darker skin extra.
About calling all Asians ugly (as one) I have never experienced it or heard it but as a Jewish woman I've heard many horrible saying about us. So I understand the name calling and bad sayings. And I'm very sorry to hear.
I love makeup, it’s probably my biggest interest. I love when my favorite brands release new stuff that I can try! Putting on makeup is like art for me, I don’t do it for others to think I’m pretty, I do it cause I think it’s fun and it’s a way of expressing myself
This is the reason I wish I wore makeup for. But alas, insecurities ruin it but I try to make the best of it and make something fun and do what I love
Brynn sounds like such an amazing person. Her energy makes me feel like I'm watching a soul of mother nature talking to me
Lmao she’s literally the least likable
@@Havana428 for whom?
im sorry but Bryn really was my favourite 🥺🥺🥺 shes just so understanding and intelligent
Why are you saying sorry haha. She is my favorite too!
@@khadijahk3468 perhaps because you're not supposed to have favourites I guess or just to be polite probably👍
Yeesssssss!!!! And just super respectful. I also loved how she was the only one who advocated for children to be able use makeup, despite not wearing any herself.
I agree with Sabrina and La Demi when they said that kids wearing makeup can attract the wrong ppl. Children wearing makeup is harmful.
@Naker Free "In other news, gross people have now stopped looking at little kids in makeup!".....Lol. Prevention is the best way to go about things though. It's doesn't ALWAYS work, but it works most of the time. Saying people should stop doing x isn't going to make people stop doing x. There will always be gross people out there and it's the parents job to keep an eye out for their children to make sure that they are safe and that they don't end up attracting the wrong attention.
Pedos are pedos regardless
@Naker Free bet you wouldn't say the same if the roles were reversed
@@jcoolguy1548 in what way will the roles be reversed
@@maplelu9514 that's why I said if
The ageing thing that she spoke about resonated within me. I began noticing my nasolabial folds and it made me feel insecure. It made me want to try skin care products to get rid of them. I never felt ugly in my life before this. The Kn95 makes it worse because I wear it tight since I work at the hospital.
In this video, I noticed that everyone has them (with or without makeup). They're natural so I should stop trying to fight them.
I worked on set for a big name cosmetics company years ago, as a stylist. They were advertising something more mid shelf but the actual lipstick on the models face wasn’t the brand at all- one lip look consisted of like 5 different luxury brand lipsticks. I asked about it and someone on set said “oh girl, we don’t use the actual product and we aren’t lying because the commercial only IMPLIES that it’s what is on the models face”. My whole entire perspective of the beauty industry changed that day.
That's why I trusted beauty reviewers' hand swatches more than the brand 😅
I loved Aleenah - she seems so smart and well put together, such a great listener and articulate. Actually, all of them seem so sweet and open minded this episode.
It's so funny to me how Covid has changed everyone's behavior. At the end it seemed like they wanted to go in for a group hug, but then realized 'oops, social distancing' and just did the elbow tap instead.
rather sad than funny
Right? but also...what's the point in avoiding a hug if you've already been sitting very close within breathing distance? There's barely a difference. Also they were all tested before filming, so...?
did it not say this was filmed pre covid?
@@wi11ieman exactly lol
@@wi11ieman Exactly! And uhh, don't you lose social distancing when you come in to elbow tap anyway?
I don’t wear makeup at all. But I do take care my skin and work out daily. To me that is beautify
best comment here
Thats my definition of beauty too!!!! BUT i wear makeup and dont workout so i am very insecure since i do the opposite of what i find beautiful
They should be talking about skin bleaching and wearing lighter shade makeup as well. Both blackfishing and and wearing makeup to make you appear shades lighter is problematic.
Why is it problematic?
@@marlonmoncrieffe0728 Makeup is supposed to make you feel comfortable and confident in your own skin. Altering your skin colour is problematic because this makes people think that they would look better if they wear makeup which is shades lighter or darker, which is not okay
@@paraskevikts15 Why is it not okay if they feel good?
@@marlonmoncrieffe0728 Blackfishing is racist and problematic.
@@fwelony5252 There is no such thing; just racial stinginesss.
*And there's me: I don't wear make up because I'm too lazy to remove them* ಠ ͜ʖ ಠ
Rightttt
same haha :/
Same!
I’m too broke to buy them
SAME! Its a damn hassle to remove my mascara at the end of the day and it's all use.
I really love Brynn, she seems so insightful, open and reflected
Idk i guess we got something different cause she had nasty vibes like she was just looking and judging/looking down on them. Like if I wore a full face and she saw me in the supermarket, shed give me the dirtiest look like shes better than me.
@@etjetjtej5820 I absolutely didn't feel like that
@@linelisbeth everyone sees things differently. I naturally dont trust other white women (strangers) so subconsciously tht probably plays a factor, overall tho it was her eyes.
Yeah Brynn has a really nice personality. Seems like she’s super down to earth.
This has been one of my favourite middle ground videos - every person is so open and accepting and I loved seeing them all hear each others perspective.