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@@cami5173 lol..she was just skirting around the whole subject - almost avoiding any of the ngative impacts of the industry e.g. fatalities, botched surgery, dysmorphia, ethical concerns etc...just wishy washy
The surgeon is refusing the distinction between cosmetic surgery and reconstructive plastic surgery. What a dangerous influence this person is on their patients.
I WAS THINKING THIS THE WHOLE TIME. why did she keep pointing out random examples such as the 'mom of 4 with the sagging stomach' or the young girl with the labiaplasty when anatomical reconstruction is so clearly a different conversation altogether to aesthetic plastic surgery? why did no one call her out on it or clarify that shes providing an argument for an entirely different conversation? bruh i so badly hoped amala would clear her bc she was so articulate and headstrong the whole time when the surgeon kept challenging her
I agree, there is a regret deep down inside. I worked as a waxer for a few years and saw many women naked and in a vulnerable state. I had about 20 clients with bbls or tummy tucks. Only 3 of them liked it. Everyone else had underlying issues. One person had a cyst that needed to be drained every month. Another had keloids around the scar tissue. They couldn’t wear bathing suits. I appreciated their honesty. They even admitted being embarrassed about their choices.
Yup. I went to a medspa once and they started pointing out things they could “fix” that I didn’t even ask about! They make you feel bad so you’ll spend money on other procedures
I took it more as just her adding nuance. A lot of the comments here are ignoring the fact that she agreed with everyone else about how exploitative insecurities are. She just gave an exception to show that its not a black and white issue
Exactly. I am surveying people here by asking this simple question: Why is it that 92% of people who undergo cosmetic plastic surgery are women? (According to the American Society of Plastic Surgeons (ASPS), including both surgical and non-surgical treatments) Just answer that question.
Why is nobody commenting on how the plastic surgeon is using exploitive language when describing women’s bodies after birth?? She describes the breast and the stomach as if the mother should in fact be ashamed of how she looks now like wtf is up with that language
She basically said ‘why would anyone want to look like they’ve aged or had a baby, how disgusting’, and then went on to say your partner wouldn’t even be attracted to you anymore
To add to that for there partner to be attractive to them after having kids No body should feel the need to get surgery so they are attractive to their partner or anyone else for that matter. I'm all in support of doing what you want and even more so taking care of yourself but it all starts with the mind/mindset
Because she wasn't and you want to burn her like a witch because she makes people beautiful. You're an insecure and hateful person. I really loathe the fact that you try to pretend you're doing people justice. You're not. Let people do what they want to do with their bodies please.
I have four kids and the body she’s talking about and I have no shortage on men who are attracted to me.. I get approached a lot because of my confidence period
As someone who had plastic surgery at age 9 for a deformity, I’m annoyed by the surgeon using issues like mine to justify the culture of prioritizing artificial beauty standards. There is a huge difference between having an alienating deformity and being super critical of a bump in the nose, a little flab, etc. People who profit on people’s insecurities love to use the most understandable justification for physical alterations to show how their profession isn’t inherently toxic but they almost always fail to mention that the people who “need” procedures are far outweighed by those who “want” them.
That's literally how these works work. They need people to feel bad about their looks, if you are not insecure about yourself why will you go to such places and to her in the first place?
But isn’t that her point? Some people need them whether naturally deformed or not. My sister have been skinny her whole life with a flat belly, she recently had a baby and has major muscle separation. She isn’t happy with the way she looks currently and it is adding to her post natal depression.
Hearing the doctor using terms like "boobs sagging down to here" or "stomach completely blown out cause she just had children" really gives me the ick.
@@doeeyes2 There are some women who don’t want to look that way, I’ve never had children but I imagine it would be pretty insane for a woman to be used to her body before and see it be completely different in those ways. We all know what most people find attractive and it generally isn’t those things, so of course that woman wanted to have surgery. Even women without surgery, work out because they don’t prefer that body type.
@@LucentSky Even though I'm against plastic surgery, I have a lot of sympathy for women in that situation.. But I think it's important to dissect the reasons why they feel like that. After doing something so incredible - giving birth - it's terrible that they're made to feel like their bodies are gross and somehow unworthy, whether by their partners, society etc. We're doing everyone (women especially) a huge disservice if we just encourage them to surgically alter things they shouldn't feel insecure about in the first place. And that's not even mentioning the fact that it requires a lot of money and resources to have those procedures done in the first place - should poorer women be condemned to feeling terrible about their postpartum bodies?
We are not talking about “a girl who’s organs are showing through her skin” we are talking about beautiful young ladies who feel the need to get a nose job and bbl because they have been bullied or influenced
@@serebii666 they are to other people. Your sense of beauty could be totally different from mine so you may think someone would benefit from having surgery meanwhile someone else could think the complete opposite
@@serebii666 what is beauty anyway - what are you talking about? The only ugly people are people who are selfish and rude and careless about others. All other people are beautiful - so please explain what you mean.
@@harrdboiledegg "what is beauty anyway - what are you talking about? The only ugly people" wow, you're so brave to detach from reality and pop off platitudes in an attempt to completely sidestep the discussion at hand! Here, a dictionary definition of beauty for you: a combination of qualities, such as shape, colour, or form, that pleases the aesthetic senses, especially the sight. So no, we're not going to play this game that beauty is somehow something entirely and post-modernly unqualifiable, while "ugliness" somehow isn't. We live in the real world. Whatever aesthetic value system you work with, beauty exists as a determinant of it and most aesthetic systems for humans emerged from certain universal maxims, thought to derive from evolutionary biology. It is why we universally value healthy presentation, symmetry, regularity and structured variation, smelling nice, secondary sex characteristics are common points of attraction etc.
Why is the plastic surgeon acting like getting a medical problem fixed is the same thing as constantly changing their appearance to defy the beauty standard? Like fixing a significant medical problem is so different from the women who are trying to turn themselves into barbie dolls, thinking it will make them prettier.
I do agree that plastic surgery can be harmful but, some people have deformities and those people do get plastic surgery to look normal. I think the surgeon is trying to highlight how plastic surgery is more nuanced then people just turning themselves into Barbies.
Because that is plastic surgery, a los of people reduce it to people wanting to look better when it’s not the case, plastic surgery is implants for a reconstruction or for someone who just want a breast lift and it shouldn’t be seen as the oposite of natural beauty, it’s medical procedures regardless of why are you getting them
yep!! someone's labia that is too long can also arise other issues, a woman that has given birth and now her breasts are that big that she can barely see her own waist, that is physically daunting on the body itself. the issues pops up when perfectly healthy young women are looking at themselves and thinking 'my nose is too big, my butt or boobs are too small, my eyes are too droopy' things that will never affect them later in life, THAT is when it's a problem. not when medical and physical well being is involved
Having a plastic surgeon in on a conversation about plastic surgery Vs natural beauty is like having a middle ground with a cigarette company CEO talking about smoking vs non smoking. It’s horrible. She’ll unnaturally lean on pro plastic surgery because it’s her bread and butter.
I agree.She doesnt understand the difference between medically important cosmetic procedures and cosmetic procedures that women get because they want to look a certain way for insecurity or personal reasons.
Our culture is so ageist. Let's normalize wrinkles! Let's celebrate the type of beauty that only older women possess. Why are there no 60+ women on this panel?
I think having some older women (on both sides) would have been a really interesting insight, hopefully they do another episode like this with only older women (and maybe even one with men...because they can also get plastic surgery even though it's not so widely advertised to them)
The cosmetic surgery industry preys on perfectly healthy bodies in order for them to undergo unnecessary and often dangerous procedures- it creates its own clientele
It doesn’t. A lot of the surgeries I want was triggered by looking at beautiful people and getting into looksmaxxing culture, the surgery industry didn’t prey on me in fact I plan to GO TO the plastic surgery industry to get work done I will get a face lift soon
8:52 “I have 15 syringes in filler in my face but you’d never know.” … Dr, we absolutely know. We ABSOLUTEY know. Maybe not the exact number being 15. But we know it’s there and we see it’s plenty. It’s natural looking to her because she looks at herself everyday. I’m not saying she looks bad, I’m just saying we can absolutely tell it’s not natural at all.
Daphne saying "if my child has a really bad nose" threw me off so badly lmao. 23 is quite young but she seems unbelivably immature even for her age. Also the contrived "nonchalantness" and valley girl accent quite literally gave me whiplash
She’s so childish and her answers got worse every time, I can’t …. She’s going to destroy her children with this messed up mentality. She had social media wayyyyy too early
I lost my sister to plastic surgery. Blood clot that traveled to her lung . This devastated our entire family and the risks are constantly understated.
Daphne is so brainwashed by social media. How can you not see the problem with social media. Also saying she would honest say if her daughter needs surgery
She is the example of how plastic surgery HAS become normalized. She's the youngest there and thus has no experience or concept of the value behind a non-obsessed with plastic surgery society is like. It's the era of instant gratification.
Seriously!! I honestly had a breast reduction age 20. Due to having one breast significantly larger than the other. I had to use shoulder pads and put a few of them in the bra of the smaller breast. Cases like this and the “labia” one is NOT the same as the type of plastic surgery the other guests were speaking about. Oh my gosh 6:04 she keeps going to extremes! Mothers with blown out intestines from pregnancy. 🤦🏻♀️ oh goodness
As a Psychologist, I could tell you that someone could go through hundreds of plastic surgeries and still won’t be satisfied or happy within themselves because they’re forgetting one important detail. Your true happiness and inner peace starts with self-love. That being said I’m not against plastic surgeries. But some people are so superficial that they end up disfiguring themselves. Shame on those doctors who choose money over the mental and physical health of these patients.
Those who go through that much, from a psychological perspective are they any different that someone with a body dysphoria disorder like anorexia? they often display the same warped view about their bodies, quite often people who constantly do plastic surgery will share similar co-obsessive traits about food intake, image etc and as a result take extreme actions (where that be starving themselves or plastic surgery) to get a result they believe they will be happy with, but in reality never will. IMO proper psychological assessments should be taken out for constant users of plastic surgery
I agree but also the last part… it’s kinda their job. They get money or stay in school for years to do this. That’s what they chose so you can’t really blame them considering they also perform cosmetic procedures to other who’ve gone through a traumatic experience. But I know they make you sign papers and ask you many questions so they know you REALLY want that job to be done so they do kinda care about them
lol I agree. If you’re a mother that’s gonna tell your child if they need surgery to change how they look….youre introducing self-rejection in that child
yes i wish they would have talked about how plastic surgery companies give influencers free procedures or fillers to promote this stuff. (i’m about half way thru not sure if they did later in the video)
you guys should be stepping on daphne's neck NOT the surgeon, especially since she was offering solutions and agreeing with the natural side many, many times!!!
We see societies like S. Korea, where plastic surgery is SO normalized that they expect a picture/headshot with a resume. They give nose jobs and eyelid surgery as graduation gifts. That isn’t normal and shouldn’t be “normalized”. Shallowness is a never ending ramification for those whom reject or simply do not “fit” the beauty standard.
ill never forget how shocked I was whenever I found out that plastic surgery is so common in korea to the point where even teenagers get it as gifts (like you said), its so normalized there that the plastic surgery is literally so much cheaper compared to the US. No wonder the country gets called "the plastic surgery capital of the world".
even when you get your passport photo taken in south korea, they can photoshop everything about your face without your consent. it’s like being told you’re ugly indirectly but they expect you to be okay with it because it’s so common.
I truly believe Daphne does not care. That is why I think she reflects a naive and uneducated perspective. It is not helpful for the discussion but it is important as showing that this is part of this society and why people like her are part of the problem.
I think Dr.Nazarian's labiaplasty example fits more into the category of reconstructive at that point rather than cosmetic. It's not cosmetic anymore if it's causing you physical pain and discomfort. I don't think I'd put that situation in the same category as someone getting a BBL..
@@sandram1644 no they are not haha, look up the definition of reconstructive surgery. They’re might be an added benefit cosmetically but that’s never the root cause of getting something reconstructive done. “Reconstructive surgery fixes defects you were born (like the abnormally long labia that causes real pain and discomfort), defects caused by disease and defects caused by injury.” Reconstructive implies that there’s a medical need for the surgery, while cosmetic is purely…cosmetic. Nothing against cosmetic at all, I just don’t agree with how she frames it
Yes but when i was young some kids would have braces. Some years laters a lot would have them. And yes they are used for problems like maybe overbite, to much or to less room between teeth or something like that. But a lot of time its not ‘medicaly’ nescesarry. Its just to make teeth look more perfect. I have a gab between my two front teeth. I could have had braces for them and got it fixed (because of the idea of beauty) but i didnt, (Sorry for my bad english, i am dutch)
@@doornroosje4695the thing is those problem can actually become medically necessary to fix because they can eventually cause of their even worse issues down the line.
@@sharinettegonzalez23Same thing with Plastic Surgery tho. They touched on labiaplasty a little, sometimes there is a lil that is so long it’s causing discomfort and might even get irritated or infected. Or with Botox and how it can help with migraines, excessive sweating, or tmj. All plastic surgery but can be deemed medically necessary.
Exactly! As we age, our teeth naturally move forward (according to my dentist). My teeth were always a bit crooked but over the years some are completely overlapped or are even turning out. It’s hard to keep clean and they hurt every single day. I made sure my kids got braces cause I don’t want them to suffer, but at $5,000+ (seven-ish years ago) I just can’t afford my teeth to get fixed now, and likely never. Our teeth and gum health have far reaching effects on the rest of the body. It’s bizarre insurance continues to call this cosmetic.
why is no one addressing daphne telling her child that they have something wrong to fix. she should not be a parent :) that’s awful. children don’t know something wrong until they’re told that and as a parent you’re foundational in them developing self worth and acceptance
@@purpleplanet888 I mean what does a really bad nose even mean? Why is she thinking about her imaginary daughter’s features and the insecurities she’s going to have already when the kid is not even born yet. She’s very mean honestly.
No literally like everyone is talking abt the surgeon as if she’s not agreeing with the natural side most of the time as if daphne wasn’t just talking crazzzzzzzzy
Honestly, my mouth dropped when she said that. I have a big forehead. Because of my parents calling me the most beautiful daughter ever, I never thought there was anything wrong with me. Until some random douchy boy pointed it out at my birthday party. Now I've noticed it. Luckily for me, because of my parents, I have a high self esteem and wouldn't change my face and/or forehead for anything. But my insecurity came from someone else. If I had Daphne as a parent, I might've grew up with a different head on my shoulders.
She could ensure her daughter there is nothing wrong with her nose, and that she’s beautiful; but no, straight to surgery 😭😭 I hope she never has a daughter
24:12 I knew the second Daphne opened her mouth that she was immature and ignorant but hearing her say that is SHOCKING. When will we accept that agreeing that people should get work done is agreeing that there is something wrong with them in the first place? This girl definitely doesn’t care about that though since she just said “if she had a bad nose”. Normalise seeing a therapist instead of a plastic surgeon like the one in this video who is obviously trying to sugar coat her pathetic profession of profiting off of people’s insecurities. I don’t know about everyone else but unique beauty is so attractive to me; just being able to look at people and see features indicative of certain cultural backgrounds (eg roman noses) and the features that were passed down to them is so beautiful. Plastic surgery is literally wiping your identity. We need to stop trying to change ourselves to fit a trend or standard, embrace our unique qualities and stop putting so much emphasis on our looks. There is so much more to life. I just know you’re a bland person with zero personality if all you care about is what you look like. Get a hobby, and a therapist.
I once visited a cosmetic surgery clinic for chin / jaw fillers and botox when I was 34 and the doctor refused to do it. He said that my face is fine as it is and I’m beautiful. Sorta healed my self image issues… I guess docs like that are rare nowadays..
I went for a nose job consultation and the Dr. told me women pay to get a nose like mine and she refused. Definitely helped me feel better about a feature I always hated
I feel like this is the ultimate compliment. Someone who is monetarily incentivized to change one of your features refusing because you're too beautiful. If I got this advise, I would feel like a million bucks.
I went in to get jaw Botox to reduce my square face but the nurse said no 😂 she said my structure was nice which made me feel great but it’s hard to believe as someone who’s Asian Australian, I’m constantly swung back and forth from Asian and Western beauty standards 😢
I'm hesitant to agree only because I know you're limiting it to this one aspect when 90% of our society is superficial or simulacra. Ex. Voting is superficial in a system with electoral delegates.
Valuing appearance / engaging in medical cosmetics does not = a shallow or superficial person. Generalizing people based on personal choices is judgmental & close minded. Stereotypes are superficial opinions Emanuel!
@@giavonnathomas1265the way I interpreted his comment was to say that since people do judge and treat others differently for their physical appearance and features they were born with (superficial), it makes people want to get surgery to change the features that they were born with (also being “superficial”).
Daphne is very immature. I also feel like she has deep insecurities that she would rather not address, so opts to be flippant and nonchalant instead of processing her inner issues. The other plastic surgery ladies were really wholesome and honest, but Daphne's immaturity really came through.
@@bluesbloomsGood for you, everyone matures at different rates and it definitely takes some time for a lot of people. Everyone has different problems to face.
When the surgeon said she was freaking out during lockdown cus she finally saw how she TRULY looked like & started panicking and injecting her self asap. It was kinda sad but respect to her for keeping it real!
The example of the married couple and the wife needing surgery to be intimate.. TF.. maybe the husband has cornbrain or not in love like that address the real issue 😅
I think cosmetic surgeries are already normalised. Or maybe I'm just de-sensitized to it because of all these influencers and celebrity culture doing this.
@@rickson50 I disagree, I graduated high school in 2016, I’m 26 now and myself a lot of my classmates have stable salaries, a large amount of the girls have already invested in getting cosmetic procedures done and it’s regular conversation when we meet up for dinners, we were theatre nerds and gamers in high school, and now most of us work regular office jobs
While I agree on kinda, there are also plastic surgeons who do medical procedures to help patients beyond boobjobs & buttlifts. You have one that focuses on on burn victims for instance.
@@MaxTheDestroyer707 That's literally what the surgeon in the video spoke about. But people are so quick to judge, probably because they're ugly and can't afford surgery...
Exactly. I am surveying people here by asking this simple question: Why is it that 92% of people who undergo cosmetic plastic surgery are women? (According to the American Society of Plastic Surgeons (ASPS), including both surgical and non-surgical treatments) Just answer that question.
I loved the Asian girl she is so sweet and honest and realistic and I can relate to her as well ! but so is Amala she is SO smart and I went to school w her ! So glad to see her standing in what she believes in 💕 love the conversation! Amala has found self love and is real as well
@@carlanunez609 she had her surgeries just to be "sxy" work. That's a slap in the face to all people that are naturally built like that and a fetishized. Priorities are all messed up. No respect
Natural beauty will not cease to exist. If you’re chronically online, that could be a trend in your algorithm but in reality, across the globe, people don’t get surgeries done. It’s accessible but there’s a lot of people who don’t want to do the upkeep nor do they have the finances for that upkeep. I understand a lot of people who speak on podcasts aren’t nuanced and feel like “it’s this or that” but life isn’t just “I see lots of people online getting surgeries so, soon, you won’t be able to see and know anyone’s natural face” like you’re being dramatic.
Sagging breasts are completely natural for women of ALL ages they need to be normalised. The analogy used at 7:54 isn’t cause for plastic surgery but for self love. I love my huge saggy boobs and idc because it’s MY body.
Not true at all. Sagging breasts are deemed very unattractive by society and most men. I have spoken with many men and most would pick a woman who has healthier looking and more attractive breasts than a woman with sagging ones. Perky breasts give the impression that the women takes care of herself which is what men like. We need to stop lying to ourselves to make ourselves feel better and understand certain things aren’t attractive
@@rinared9 she said natural not attractive, wtf?? How do you come to the conclusion natural and attractive are synonymous??? Saggy balls aren’t attractive either btw but it IS natural
I can't help but notice that everyone is on the younger side in this. I think some of the story is missing here. Some perspective from someone in their 60s on either side would balance some of the talking points discussed. It's easy to believe in 'natural beauty' when you're younger (I put it in quotes because, to me, natural beauty means not wearing makeup for the most part). Let's hear the perspective of an older person some who prefers natural beauty. Let's hear from someone who's spent decades utilizing cosmetic beauty surgery. I think some of these discussions would have gone in a different direction with that broader perspective
Valid Point! Never wore makeup outside of lipgloss & mascara until I was >30! Also started wearing sunscreen-lol! Additional perspective from even the 40-50 age bracket would add additional, valuable input to this conversation. Definitely easier to sway towards the “natural” side of this argument in your 20’s!!!!
I don’t necessarily agree with using the example of a woman whose abdominal muscles are displaced to the point that you can see her herniated intestines as justification for cosmetic surgeries. That woman doesn’t have a cosmetic issue, she has a structural issue. She can show that it disrupts her daily movements and keeps her from comfortably being able to move. She could get part of an abdominal reconstruction surgery covered by insurance. That is not purely cosmetic. I’ve had diastasis recti, it really sucked and I worked really hard to close it. If I couldn’t physically close it myself surgery might’ve been an option. We should normalize excess skin removal surgeries after weight loss or after children if that skin gets in the way of clothing fitting comfortably/properly, or if it inhibits hygiene.
The older I get the more I realise that “ageing gracefully” has nothing to do with the way you look. It’s got to do with health, personal relationships, filling your time with something meaningful, being useful to the people you love. A spirited grandma growing her own fruit and veg and cooking for her grandchildren is, I’m my eyes, ageing a lot more gracefully than a plastic filled woman that is desperately trying to look younger than her years.
I couldn't agree more. Why is "graceful" being equated with "external beauty" rather than grace of spirit, mind, and heart? My mom grew up in Los Angeles and baked in the sun all through her youth, so now in her 70's, her skin is extremely wrinkled. But she's active, healthy, and still has all all her marbles. I'd consider that to be aging gracefully, no matter what her skin looks like.
The disproportionality of women who get cosmetic plastic surgery versus men who do tells us so much about this conversation. One thing it definitely highlights is how women are valued on looks and such little else, and that's absolutely heartbreaking.
@@Kirbystare1992 True but them's the breaks. This conversation has been done a million times without a different conclusion. Women valued on looks, men more so on our accomplishments and financial standing. Heteronormative gender expectations aren't going away in our lifetime unfortunately.
many years ago, some guy tried to argue with me on here that the beauty industry is as bad on men as it is on women and ppl were actually defending him. People are truly delulu
As a husband, natural beauty is my wife waking up in the am with messy hair, no makeup, in a shirt with holes near the collar. This is when shes most beautiful❤
i absolutely loved christie omg. its always such a treat when she comes on a jubilee video, she makes me feel so safe through the screen and idek her nor do i even have any plastic surgery lol! its just the way she carries herself, the way she really thinks about everything she says before she says it and can really articulate herself well. in my opinion she brought an even more important level of nuance to the conversation than the plastic surgeon did.
Never heard of anyone in Asia getting nose surgery to wear glasses. They make glasses that fit ethnic faces instead of doing surgery to fit a pair of glasses. Wtf is this plastic surgeon on about.
As someone who has a flat or more broad nose and who wears glasses,I have never heard someone say that before. Do I have to push my glasses up on my nose? Yes, but, not being able to wear glasses because I don't have a high bridge, no.
Also the fact that she said they either have to get a nose job, otherwise they’d HAVE to do LASIK… like lasik isn’t cheaper than the nose job and has similar if not a shorter recovery period than a nose job, PLUS fixes the actual issue of you not being able to see and saving money on prescriptions, glasses, contacts, appts etc….. like girl you’re really telling me people opt for the nose job for FUNCTIONALITY lol?!
girls i have known since i was in elementary school have gotten work done, and they’re all unrecognizable and they all look so aged. taking kylie jenner as an example she was looking like she was in her 30s when she first entered her 20s.
Personally I only accept plastic surgery when it's actually needed: noses that can't breathe correctly, extreme asymmetry or deformed features, reconstructing the face after a bad injury etc. Stop making healthy bodies look like they need "fixing".
It’s more common than people think getting plastic surgery for health reasons. Getting a tummy tuck after pregnancy isn’t just for looks. My mom was peeing herself a little, and having a hard time pooping after the damage. She went to a plastic surgeon and got it fixed. After I became a mom I met a lot of women with different problems from pregnancy they got fixed with surgery. Like a hernia on the abs. I became more pro plastic surgery and would even say health insurance should cover mommy makeovers, cause I saw first hand all the damage you can go through after pregnancy. Back in history women with potty issues was a huge problem.
i do tend to agree with this as someone with a strong preference for natural beauty/ the natural look in general. but i think the whole 'extreme asymmetry' does go back to the point of - where do we draw the line in the sand?
Dr: "During lockdown, I couldn't keep up with getting my work done (botox, fillers, etc) so I couldn't wait to rush back to the office because I felt like I looked horrible." Also Dr: "I don't think the work I get done matters all that much because of my mom and the journey I took to get here made me happy with who I am" 🙄
“No one would know when you walked in a room that you had anything done” 😓that’s so sad hear. Natural is the state in which we were born, nothing else. Giving something the false illusion of natural (natural aesthetic) is part of preying on people’s insecurity
She said herself she hasn't moved her forehead in 16 years and yet was for normalizing plastic surgery. Sorry paralyzing your face on purpose shouldn't be normalized. Some people choose to do it but it shouldn't be the norm.
Mother here with a pouch and saggy boobs. The biggest reason I feel like I need to get these fixed after I'm done having kids is the image of women put out on media. If we had a real unfiltered woman for the face of woman, there would be a lot less woman feeling insecure. Thank goodness, I have a husband who loves me and still finds me sexy and beauty no matter how my body has changed. Edited for spelling errors
Why are you putting the responsibility of your insecurity on these women though? They’re not directly telling you something is wrong with you. Mabye it’s something you feel deep down that it’s bought out when online. I won’t deny media definitely contributes, but it’s your mindset at the end of the day. Love yourself and you won’t feel the need to compare.
@@allyson3123I don’t think the problem is seeing women who look a certain way and comparing yourself to them, I think the problem is when you ONLY see women who look a certain way. It’s one thing to have your friends on Instagram who have a smaller build than you, it’s a whole other thing when every post you look at, actress you see, ad you see, are all women who look the same. Most of this online is INTENTIONAL to try to sell you something. Sell you the idea that you’re abnormal and you need to pay money to change. The responsibility on the other women isn’t to make me or anyone else more secure. But that doesn’t mean that I’m going to stay silent about a culture that encourages me and other people to hide or cover our insecurities in effort to be perfect and in turn influence other women that they also need to be perfect.
What’s weird from my outter observation, a lot of these women start looking very similar and their unique beauty goes away. They start looking like influencer clones.
Yes!! Variety is the spice of life. Life would be _so boring_ if everyone would look exactly the same. All the different noses are intriguing to me; one "style" is not better than another. The shape of the eyes, the bow is the lips, the cheekbones, the original hair color (rare to see these days), the body shape- all so great to create variety! Then you can bring in even more interest with the colors one likes to wear, and the style of clothing. The hair- all the different kinds are so pretty, and who's to say which is the "best" kind, or that one type is the "preferred by everyone" version??
couldnt agree more, she was an absolute showstopper and could face the ridiculous attempts made by the surgeon to steer the conversation away from the central argument, so well. i also really enjoyed christie (the asian pro-plastic girl), she had such a calm demeanour and actually listened and agreed with peoples points if they reflected her experience, irrespective of whether those people were part of the pro-plastic or pro-natural side. theres intelligence in the way one debates and i think these two were standouts to me
They are normal and probably the majority of her clients. Especially the birth injuries. It’s not uncommon for women to have pretty significant issues from pregnancy and birth.
@@arushpati Lol... No, if it happens less than 5 percent of the time, doesn't matter how frequently you see it, it's extreme. A homicide detective sees dead people everyday, but definitely doesn't believe that everyone's dying.
Not always . Life ain’t 🌈 and pop tarts for everyone. Not all ugly peopel get off scotch free. The world is merciless no matter how much u love yourself .
@@Lily-wd7dztaking control of your body does not mean you are taking control of your mind, emotions, etc. Especially given that a lot of these women struggle with doing procedure after procedure in the never ending search for acceptance, whether that be self acceptance or acceptance from others. It’s an internal issue that you’re trying to fix externally. I would not say a person with bulimic or self harming tendencies is taking control of their bodies, even though it’s been proven that individuals that go through that do so with that purpose.
The urge I’ve felt over the years to get my hip dips filled in. I use to hate them but have started to embrace them over the years. I think the natural look will come back around.
I used to be so bothered by them, but seeing them on other women that I idolized, and thought were so beautiful, really made me appreciate them on myself over time.
I feel the hip dips problem started because influencers edit their photos, I can tell because im a typical pear shape and still have those hip dips So don't worry ❤❤
@@lilyshah4608Honestly i always see this phrase but the women that men are out here drooling over have had plastic surgery lmaooo . They just can't tell . Men prefer beautiful women ! Not natural women is the correct phrase. As long as you look gorgeous plastic or not men will like you 😂. Men even think that celebrities with personal trainers , fillers , editing and makeup are what women look like naturally . So that natural beauty phrase is just to soothe people cos we're so crowded with plastic beauty it feels very threatening to some . If that phrase was the truth a lot of things would be different .
42:11 in my opinion im more attracted to the natural girls on this panel. that's just my opinion tho , and i bet most men that watch this would be interested in a serious relationship with them over the ones who had surgery
people are arguing against plastic surgery. when the real issue is society's pressure and unrealistic beauty standards pushed upon individuals. which is typically leveraged by corporations just to make money by picking on people's insecurities. the surgery isn't the issue, it's societal pressure and corporate greed.
💯. If MF didn’t chastise people who they don’t seem attractive or give people they do see as appealing more opportunities, people would be content . As long as appealing people are treated better . Insecure folks will never disappear
just like fitness industry, PEDs made a lot of insecurities to naturals in which they hop on. I assume plastic surgery is a cycle of insecurities that put unrealistic standards
The natural girls are all slim, have glowing skin and are conventionally beautiful. It’s really easy to love yourself when you’re already conventionally beautiful. Every day women should have been part of this conversation.
You're viewing them exactly how society wants you to view them. That's part of the problem, why is someone that's "conventionally beautiful" not as valid as someone thats "average"? That's the whole point of being human we all look completely different, just like personalities. It doesn't matter who is up there, we all have insecurities even if you think they're "perfect".
exactly omgg like the conversation seems so disconnected from the struggles of people who aren’t the beauty standards, like yeah ofc u can ‘choose to love yourself naturally’ but some people’s lives are materially impacted by the way they look.
Yeah, I’m surprised this is the most levelheaded that I’ve seen her actually agree with some of her points in THIS VIDEO. But normally she just comes off like a token and a Candace Owens wanna be💀
I worry because I don't think a lot of young women don't understand how multiple procedures end up doing the opposite. They're trying to fit a standard and fight aging but it ages them which sadly will probably lead to more procedures.
I’m sorry but Daphne is deeply insecure. She keeps deflecting points by making excuses. Everything is so ”simple” to her. Like at 20:19 when she says “your mom can tell you all day your beautiful but if you won’t believe it if you’re getting treated bad at school.” Or something along those lines is mind boggling to me. So because one has insecurities instead of doing the inner work they should just say screw it and go under the knife? She tries to minimize plastic surgery to to this easy quick fix that comes with no repercussions and has no downsides when it’s just not true. I feel like she’s doing this to make herself feel better about getting surgery because due to her insecurities, the opposing side’s points feel like personal attacks to her ego. Plus the flat affect and monotone voice she puts on to try to elude to her being “unbothered” is so easy to see through. Everytime she speaks she’s literally proving their point. Really hope she can work through this because it’s really sad to see.
Totally 100% agree with everything you said. Watching her speak irked me so badly because it was so easy to read through all the insecure comments she made. The way she spoke as well as her facial expression said it all about how two-faced she is literally disguising her low self-esteem
I am a future therapist/therapy goer and I would love to see you do one over therapy goers and people that wont do therapy!!! (put me on the panel please!!!)
6:17 it is NOT impossible to decide the limitations of permissible cosmetic surgeries, especially on children. Much like how insurance companies require prior authorization for X procedures, there should be a prior auth-like process/ethics review for procedures? Cannot possibly identify all the required procedures? BOLOX. Insurance companies have entire teams dedicated to denying coverage, based off of knowledge of specific procedures. The bias in her is insane.
@@inublossombut they do at times. Sometimes plephoroplasty is covered. The girl with the labia that hung down could cause physical problems likely could have been covered with insurance.
@@PrincessJJ-o3n She could've honestly been real because regardless people would still go, the way she was defending it like she was going to be jobless tomorrow was like come on 🙄. Bringing up medical surgeries deflected from the issue at hand, because the subject wasn't medical surgeries. It was plastic surgeries to enhance looks for superficial reasons.
I feel bad for Daphne... she's very insecure and hides behind being blunt in my opinion. I think she has more maturing to do. Even her posture is small and clinched she's deeply insecure about herself.
I don't think this is fair on her. She's literally 23, it's expected that she's supposed to be maturing. She also may just have bad posture or be nervous... this is intimidating and not everyone is great at public speaking.
It's funny how Amala says that cosmetic industry play upon women's insecurities but I've never put makeup on my face (except for mask to make my skin even) and a lot of people used to say: "You're so beautiful! Why don't you put some makeup on?". So, makeup is supposed to make women look more beautiful? So why would I, being "so beautiful" (I'm cute, but not that beautiful, btw, and I don't think that matters that much, anyway...), need makeup?! I think that makeup (I'm not talking about face paintings for ritual events, of course) is a result of the misogynistic idea that women "need" to be beautiful, or else, she has no value because she isn't doing her social role of being a "pretty thing" for men! That idea that if a woman doesn't wear makeup and doesn't wear high hills it's like if we were durty or untidy, or something, it's nuts!
The plastic surgeon is toxic. Idk. I would be that mom that has her stomach blown out and boobs hanging “to here” and it’s the idea that “normal” or “mommy makeover” “bbl” type is the beauty standard that puts into my head that my body is ugly. It’s because people spend money to change things that are normal, that now the new normal is to get procedures done. No I don’t want to go under for 4 hours and risk life to look “normal” I am normal.
Yes!! I find the way she talks about women’s bodies to be horrific. The way she talks about women’s bodies alone induces anxieties and insecurities. How can she sit there and describe this Barbie idea of women as the “normal” or “standard”?
LITERALLY this comment was wild, I can’t even believe she casually suggested that instead of accepting yourself why shouldn’t you just go get a 4 hour procedure 💀 This woman is disgusting and so desperate for new clients 🤣
Why are we not teaching women and girls that's it's okay to be ugly, you don't have to be pretty to be worthy of life, looks aren't everything, just be yourself and love yourself
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@@idkGBT they probably release their videos on a schedule, even if they are done already.
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The Dr doesn’t want to find a middle ground. It threatens her business.
I wish someone called her out on that detail
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Yup..she's being vague and obtuse on purpose
@@fluffyvee8723 its also possible she 100% believes these things, just like chiropractors lol
@@cami5173 lol..she was just skirting around the whole subject - almost avoiding any of the ngative impacts of the industry e.g. fatalities, botched surgery, dysmorphia, ethical concerns etc...just wishy washy
The surgeon is refusing the distinction between cosmetic surgery and reconstructive plastic surgery. What a dangerous influence this person is on their patients.
This needs to be the pinned comment
I agree 100% its not even a joke!
I WAS THINKING THIS THE WHOLE TIME. why did she keep pointing out random examples such as the 'mom of 4 with the sagging stomach' or the young girl with the labiaplasty when anatomical reconstruction is so clearly a different conversation altogether to aesthetic plastic surgery? why did no one call her out on it or clarify that shes providing an argument for an entirely different conversation? bruh i so badly hoped amala would clear her bc she was so articulate and headstrong the whole time when the surgeon kept challenging her
@@Playsch00lyall are not comprehending what she means
This is the comment I was looking for!
Listing natural things and calling them ugly says enough
Yep exactly
Best comment!
Because they are
@@Eyebleachey becase you are shallow
@@EyebleacheyI humble disagree with you and I think yk why
The women with the most obvious surgeries saying it shouldn’t be normalized says it ALL.
Stop hating
@@booprice5473how is she hating?
@ I wasn’t hating, I was making an observation about the video :)
I agree, there is a regret deep down inside. I worked as a waxer for a few years and saw many women naked and in a vulnerable state. I had about 20 clients with bbls or tummy tucks. Only 3 of them liked it. Everyone else had underlying issues. One person had a cyst that needed to be drained every month. Another had keloids around the scar tissue. They couldn’t wear bathing suits. I appreciated their honesty. They even admitted being embarrassed about their choices.
@@hellokittykaylah wow, definitely a side we don’t see in the media. Thanks for sharing, this stuff is super scary.
This plastic surgeon is the perfect example of how surgeons exploit your insecurities. She was pointing out every extreme insecurity possible.
she's suffering from body dysmorphia herself. she shouldn't be an authority here.
I agree that surgeons do exploit but I think she was more realistic than extreme. A lot of what she stated does happen on a regular basis.
Yup. I went to a medspa once and they started pointing out things they could “fix” that I didn’t even ask about! They make you feel bad so you’ll spend money on other procedures
Yep a lot of the women now look like they are trans. Like the person in the tan dress.
I took it more as just her adding nuance. A lot of the comments here are ignoring the fact that she agreed with everyone else about how exploitative insecurities are. She just gave an exception to show that its not a black and white issue
I feel like this plastic surgeon is on a different conversation than the other girls
Literally since question 1 when she's mentioning collagen and vitamins and working out.... meanwhile the question specifically says SURGERIES
she was def having her own Ted talk the whole time 🤣
Exactly. I am surveying people here by asking this simple question: Why is it that 92% of people who undergo cosmetic plastic surgery are women? (According to the American Society of Plastic Surgeons (ASPS), including both surgical and non-surgical treatments)
Just answer that question.
She’s being obtuse and she’s know it because the ideologies are attacking her bread and butter
@@daniawilson5514wrong use of ideologies - but I get what you’re saying, dissenting voices causes problems
Why is nobody commenting on how the plastic surgeon is using exploitive language when describing women’s bodies after birth?? She describes the breast and the stomach as if the mother should in fact be ashamed of how she looks now like wtf is up with that language
Thought the same thing!
She basically said ‘why would anyone want to look like they’ve aged or had a baby, how disgusting’, and then went on to say your partner wouldn’t even be attracted to you anymore
To add to that for there partner to be attractive to them after having kids
No body should feel the need to get surgery so they are attractive to their partner or anyone else for that matter. I'm all in support of doing what you want and even more so taking care of yourself but it all starts with the mind/mindset
Because she wasn't and you want to burn her like a witch because she makes people beautiful. You're an insecure and hateful person. I really loathe the fact that you try to pretend you're doing people justice. You're not. Let people do what they want to do with their bodies please.
I have four kids and the body she’s talking about and I have no shortage on men who are attracted to me.. I get approached a lot because of my confidence period
As someone who had plastic surgery at age 9 for a deformity, I’m annoyed by the surgeon using issues like mine to justify the culture of prioritizing artificial beauty standards. There is a huge difference between having an alienating deformity and being super critical of a bump in the nose, a little flab, etc.
People who profit on people’s insecurities love to use the most understandable justification for physical alterations to show how their profession isn’t inherently toxic but they almost always fail to mention that the people who “need” procedures are far outweighed by those who “want” them.
That's literally how these works work. They need people to feel bad about their looks, if you are not insecure about yourself why will you go to such places and to her in the first place?
Exactly these are medical reasons, completely unrelated to cosmetic surgery which is what they should have been focused on
But isn’t that her point? Some people need them whether naturally deformed or not. My sister have been skinny her whole life with a flat belly, she recently had a baby and has major muscle separation. She isn’t happy with the way she looks currently and it is adding to her post natal depression.
yeah but shes keeping it real
Hearing the doctor using terms like "boobs sagging down to here" or "stomach completely blown out cause she just had children" really gives me the ick.
Same with “bad nose”
@@doeeyes2 There are some women who don’t want to look that way, I’ve never had children but I imagine it would be pretty insane for a woman to be used to her body before and see it be completely different in those ways. We all know what most people find attractive and it generally isn’t those things, so of course that woman wanted to have surgery. Even women without surgery, work out because they don’t prefer that body type.
It actually made me feel even more insecure bc ik if she saw mine she would say I need mine done 😂
@@LucentSky its more about the way she said it... like shes supposed to be a doctor, she should have a little more tact when speaking on womens bodies
@@LucentSky Even though I'm against plastic surgery, I have a lot of sympathy for women in that situation.. But I think it's important to dissect the reasons why they feel like that. After doing something so incredible - giving birth - it's terrible that they're made to feel like their bodies are gross and somehow unworthy, whether by their partners, society etc. We're doing everyone (women especially) a huge disservice if we just encourage them to surgically alter things they shouldn't feel insecure about in the first place.
And that's not even mentioning the fact that it requires a lot of money and resources to have those procedures done in the first place - should poorer women be condemned to feeling terrible about their postpartum bodies?
We are not talking about “a girl who’s organs are showing through her skin” we are talking about beautiful young ladies who feel the need to get a nose job and bbl because they have been bullied or influenced
What if they're not beautiful tho? 💁♂💁♂
@@serebii666 they are to other people. Your sense of beauty could be totally different from mine so you may think someone would benefit from having surgery meanwhile someone else could think the complete opposite
@@serebii666 what is beauty anyway - what are you talking about? The only ugly people are people who are selfish and rude and careless about others. All other people are beautiful - so please explain what you mean.
@@harrdboiledegg "what is beauty anyway - what are you talking about? The only ugly people" wow, you're so brave to detach from reality and pop off platitudes in an attempt to completely sidestep the discussion at hand!
Here, a dictionary definition of beauty for you: a combination of qualities, such as shape, colour, or form, that pleases the aesthetic senses, especially the sight. So no, we're not going to play this game that beauty is somehow something entirely and post-modernly unqualifiable, while "ugliness" somehow isn't. We live in the real world. Whatever aesthetic value system you work with, beauty exists as a determinant of it and most aesthetic systems for humans emerged from certain universal maxims, thought to derive from evolutionary biology. It is why we universally value healthy presentation, symmetry, regularity and structured variation, smelling nice, secondary sex characteristics are common points of attraction etc.
@@serebii666 common points of attraction happen for conventionally ugly and unaltered people.
Why is the plastic surgeon acting like getting a medical problem fixed is the same thing as constantly changing their appearance to defy the beauty standard? Like fixing a significant medical problem is so different from the women who are trying to turn themselves into barbie dolls, thinking it will make them prettier.
Yeah I think we all agree that fixing an objective deformity shouldn't be shunned
I do agree that plastic surgery can be harmful but, some people have deformities and those people do get plastic surgery to look normal. I think the surgeon is trying to highlight how plastic surgery is more nuanced then people just turning themselves into Barbies.
@@evettybetty8040exactly. People across as if plastic surgeons are not a necessity just bc not everyone needs them.
Because that is plastic surgery, a los of people reduce it to people wanting to look better when it’s not the case, plastic surgery is implants for a reconstruction or for someone who just want a breast lift and it shouldn’t be seen as the oposite of natural beauty, it’s medical procedures regardless of why are you getting them
yep!! someone's labia that is too long can also arise other issues, a woman that has given birth and now her breasts are that big that she can barely see her own waist, that is physically daunting on the body itself. the issues pops up when perfectly healthy young women are looking at themselves and thinking 'my nose is too big, my butt or boobs are too small, my eyes are too droopy' things that will never affect them later in life, THAT is when it's a problem. not when medical and physical well being is involved
I love it when Amala talks! She gives the plastic surgeon some nuanced perspective whenever she speaks especially after the surgeon!
Agreed!!
Same here. ❤
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Amala is my favorite one on the panel , i wish it was more who thought the way she does
Having a plastic surgeon in on a conversation about plastic surgery Vs natural beauty is like having a middle ground with a cigarette company CEO talking about smoking vs non smoking. It’s horrible. She’ll unnaturally lean on pro plastic surgery because it’s her bread and butter.
I agree.She doesnt understand the difference between medically important cosmetic procedures and cosmetic procedures that women get because they want to look a certain way for insecurity or personal reasons.
She knows exactly what she is doing. The woman is nuts, being proud she hasn't moved her forehead for 16 years! How sad!
Well said
they were hoping she wasnt tho
Great analogy
Our culture is so ageist. Let's normalize wrinkles! Let's celebrate the type of beauty that only older women possess. Why are there no 60+ women on this panel?
I think having some older women (on both sides) would have been a really interesting insight, hopefully they do another episode like this with only older women (and maybe even one with men...because they can also get plastic surgery even though it's not so widely advertised to them)
THIS!!!!
No thanks, I’ll normalize having firm skin instead of being a leather couch.
@@hungergameshubyou're such a sad human being, imagine saying that to your grandma or mother😳
Yess
The cosmetic surgery industry preys on perfectly healthy bodies in order for them to undergo unnecessary and often dangerous procedures- it creates its own clientele
Agree - as does the beauty industry in general.
The same goes for laser eye surgery. Perfectly healthy corneas zapped for a quick profit.
It doesn’t. A lot of the surgeries I want was triggered by looking at beautiful people and getting into looksmaxxing culture, the surgery industry didn’t prey on me in fact I plan to GO TO the plastic surgery industry to get work done I will get a face lift soon
@@hutch7485 girl sorry but that is NOT the same. yea perfectly healthy and nearly BLIND corneas
@@hutch7485you mean ”zapped” for a lifetime of vision without spending thousands of dollars on eyewear
8:52 “I have 15 syringes in filler in my face but you’d never know.” … Dr, we absolutely know. We ABSOLUTEY know. Maybe not the exact number being 15. But we know it’s there and we see it’s plenty. It’s natural looking to her because she looks at herself everyday. I’m not saying she looks bad, I’m just saying we can absolutely tell it’s not natural at all.
I literally paused the video to come to the comments to see if anyway said this exact thing cause I’m like lady, I was thinking it before you said it
Yeah but she looks fantastic nevertheless
Daphne saying "if my child has a really bad nose" threw me off so badly lmao. 23 is quite young but she seems unbelivably immature even for her age. Also the contrived "nonchalantness" and valley girl accent quite literally gave me whiplash
More like shes grounded in reality.
She’s so childish and her answers got worse every time, I can’t …. She’s going to destroy her children with this messed up mentality. She had social media wayyyyy too early
@@disneytoysr4fun975 She's not grounded she's self-absorbed.
bruh I hate how the surgeon backed her and was smiling the whole time
Yeah she's acting like a teen, I couldn't believe she was 23 when she said it I would have guessed 18 the way she was acting. Just tiktok brain rot
Bbl girl was everything, loved her openness and honesty
Unsure if you’re talking about Gizelle or me ❤ but thank you from us 🤗 We both found it important to be transparent ❤
I’m in love.
@@ChristieMcFit OMG I MEANT YOU QUEEN SORRY I FORGOT UR NAME😭😭😭 you were SO iconic x x x (Gizelle ate too)
@@pristinedecision1877 ME TOO🫠
@@ChristieMcFityou taking the time to respond is so wholesome! I also think you’re really pretty.
I lost my sister to plastic surgery. Blood clot that traveled to her lung . This devastated our entire family and the risks are constantly understated.
My condolences 😔😔
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@@cel1125tf is wrong with you
@@cel1125you’re a horrible person 👍
@@cel1125bio 🤡 you 🤡
19:55 Daphne’s posture and body language scream in contrast to her words “I’m fine“
Omg I had the same thought.
I was literally screaming inside watching her sitting 😭😭
@@lalala-vk7exme tooo 😱 and her
Facial expression
Daphne is so brainwashed by social media. How can you not see the problem with social media. Also saying she would honest say if her daughter needs surgery
It's her daughter wish
She is the example of how plastic surgery HAS become normalized. She's the youngest there and thus has no experience or concept of the value behind a non-obsessed with plastic surgery society is like. It's the era of instant gratification.
Her posture hints at her screen time
I hope that she develops the ability to think critically before she has children, IF she chooses to have them. Her response was horrendous.
Facts.
the plastic surgeon purposely missing peoples thoughful and well articulated points was so annoying lol
She wanted to add nuance because when it comes to topics like this it is often avoided.
She has a different perspective, that’s the point of middle ground lol
@@jonathanfoster4202she has a paycheck to maintain buddy that’s it 😂
Seriously!! I honestly had a breast reduction age 20. Due to having one breast significantly larger than the other. I had to use shoulder pads and put a few of them in the bra of the smaller breast. Cases like this and the “labia” one is NOT the same as the type of plastic surgery the other guests were speaking about.
Oh my gosh 6:04 she keeps going to extremes! Mothers with blown out intestines from pregnancy. 🤦🏻♀️ oh goodness
Came here to say this. It's the way someone will give a thoughtful nuanced answer to a prompt and she responds with: "you can't demonize..."
As a Psychologist, I could tell you that someone could go through hundreds of plastic surgeries and still won’t be satisfied or happy within themselves because they’re forgetting one important detail. Your true happiness and inner peace starts with self-love. That being said I’m not against plastic surgeries. But some people are so superficial that they end up disfiguring themselves. Shame on those doctors who choose money over the mental and physical health of these patients.
Those who go through that much, from a psychological perspective are they any different that someone with a body dysphoria disorder like anorexia? they often display the same warped view about their bodies, quite often people who constantly do plastic surgery will share similar co-obsessive traits about food intake, image etc and as a result take extreme actions (where that be starving themselves or plastic surgery) to get a result they believe they will be happy with, but in reality never will. IMO proper psychological assessments should be taken out for constant users of plastic surgery
I agree but also the last part… it’s kinda their job. They get money or stay in school for years to do this. That’s what they chose so you can’t really blame them considering they also perform cosmetic procedures to other who’ve gone through a traumatic experience. But I know they make you sign papers and ask you many questions so they know you REALLY want that job to be done so they do kinda care about them
Wow are you really shaming the doctors?
omg its so weird seeing you outside of beau's comment section, hey lol
Yes
Amala knocks it out of the park every response, every time....again!
Exactly i love her
Yes just can beautifully articulate it
I ain't changing s*** for nobody 😂 If you don't like how I look, don't look at me.
Okay, great.
lol I agree. If you’re a mother that’s gonna tell your child if they need surgery to change how they look….youre introducing self-rejection in that child
Period
Everyone should have this outlook !
Exactly 😂
"I fall in and out of love with the way I look"
she is so real for that.
exactly because that woud've been my response too, she nailed it
I like how the surgeon thinks we can't tell by looking at her 😂
fr none of her facial muscles moved even a bit while she was talking so she had to convey the emotion with her voice lmao
she couldn't even move her face when she laughed lol
We can all tell 😂hilarious
So true I can definitely tell she’s had Botox
I know!! As soon as she said that no one would be able to tell, I was like 🤨
Christie is so honest and open - she's seems like such a sweetheart
The plastic surgeon just wants more clients😂
yes i wish they would have talked about how plastic surgery companies give influencers free procedures or fillers to promote this stuff. (i’m about half way thru not sure if they did later in the video)
Exactly 😂
@@PrincessJJ-o3nyeah we know.. that’s why she said that. lol
you guys should be stepping on daphne's neck NOT the surgeon, especially since she was offering solutions and agreeing with the natural side many, many times!!!
That’s exactly the vibe I got from her ! She HAS to say these things so more people feel like they NEED these procedures 🙄
We see societies like S. Korea, where plastic surgery is SO normalized that they expect a picture/headshot with a resume. They give nose jobs and eyelid surgery as graduation gifts. That isn’t normal and shouldn’t be “normalized”. Shallowness is a never ending ramification for those whom reject or simply do not “fit” the beauty standard.
ill never forget how shocked I was whenever I found out that plastic surgery is so common in korea to the point where even teenagers get it as gifts (like you said), its so normalized there that the plastic surgery is literally so much cheaper compared to the US. No wonder the country gets called "the plastic surgery capital of the world".
even when you get your passport photo taken in south korea, they can photoshop everything about your face without your consent. it’s like being told you’re ugly indirectly but they expect you to be okay with it because it’s so common.
@@ava1772 never knew anyone called it that til i read this comment, anyway north or south or both?
@@thetruesquad5059 my bad i forgot to specify. South korea
@@ava1772😂😂
The natural girlies are all so pretty! I love how they all have a unique look, and hold themselves with confidence.
I bet the plastic surgery girls were just as pretty if not prettier than then they are now.
@@TamiTribbiani-z8pThey aren't pretty after getting plastic surgery. They look uncanny and weird. They all want to look the same it's crazy.
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At least one of the surgery ladies looks mutant.
My thoughts exactly ❤
@@monbub the movie 'Uglies' proves this
this was one of the most respectful conversations had on jubilee
I agree. It took me by surprise.
i was looking for this comment 😭
Daphne is trying so hard to give off the "I don't care vibe" 😂😂
fr her voice is so annoying
It's the new sign of confidence.
😂😂@@whatoh3407
I don’t understand why she is on the panel
I truly believe Daphne does not care. That is why I think she reflects a naive and uneducated perspective. It is not helpful for the discussion but it is important as showing that this is part of this society and why people like her are part of the problem.
I think Dr.Nazarian's labiaplasty example fits more into the category of reconstructive at that point rather than cosmetic. It's not cosmetic anymore if it's causing you physical pain and discomfort. I don't think I'd put that situation in the same category as someone getting a BBL..
Reconstructions are cosmetic surgery…
@@sandram1644 no they are not haha, look up the definition of reconstructive surgery. They’re might be an added benefit cosmetically but that’s never the root cause of getting something reconstructive done. “Reconstructive surgery fixes defects you were born (like the abnormally long labia that causes real pain and discomfort), defects caused by disease and defects caused by injury.” Reconstructive implies that there’s a medical need for the surgery, while cosmetic is purely…cosmetic. Nothing against cosmetic at all, I just don’t agree with how she frames it
Insurance companies view them as cosmetic, be realistic everyone is not getting plastic surgeries to look like barbie.
@@dolphin8766 Not always true at all
@@dolphin8766 clearly this convo is abt ppl who get it to fit beauty standards come on
This young black woman Amala is definitely showing how being so smart is very attractive
Love Amala ❤❤
So true!!
Amala's youtube channel is one of my faves. She's great.
It doesn't matter that she is black. Stop mentioning race!
I adore Amala 🤭🩷
Amala is so elegant and so so smart, would love to see more of her in other debates 🤍
Did she really say braces are mainly for aesthetics? There are so many legit medical reasons why people get braces.
Same with plastic surgery
Yes but when i was young some kids would have braces. Some years laters a lot would have them. And yes they are used for problems like maybe overbite, to much or to less room between teeth or something like that. But a lot of time its not ‘medicaly’ nescesarry. Its just to make teeth look more perfect. I have a gab between my two front teeth. I could have had braces for them and got it fixed (because of the idea of beauty) but i didnt,
(Sorry for my bad english, i am dutch)
@@doornroosje4695the thing is those problem can actually become medically necessary to fix because they can eventually cause of their even worse issues down the line.
@@sharinettegonzalez23Same thing with Plastic Surgery tho. They touched on labiaplasty a little, sometimes there is a lil that is so long it’s causing discomfort and might even get irritated or infected. Or with Botox and how it can help with migraines, excessive sweating, or tmj. All plastic surgery but can be deemed medically necessary.
Exactly! As we age, our teeth naturally move forward (according to my dentist). My teeth were always a bit crooked but over the years some are completely overlapped or are even turning out. It’s hard to keep clean and they hurt every single day. I made sure my kids got braces cause I don’t want them to suffer, but at $5,000+ (seven-ish years ago) I just can’t afford my teeth to get fixed now, and likely never. Our teeth and gum health have far reaching effects on the rest of the body. It’s bizarre insurance continues to call this cosmetic.
Although I do agree with the natural side, Christie's so honest and open about everything and she seems so sweet.
Thank you 🥹🥰🫶🫶🫶 I appreciate you
@@ChristieMcFit You're a doll. Great personality.
Me too!
Ur the child the plastic surgeon was describing 😂😂
@@nyheemjohnson8243 Pretty sure the only child here is u
why is no one addressing daphne telling her child that they have something wrong to fix. she should not be a parent :) that’s awful. children don’t know something wrong until they’re told that and as a parent you’re foundational in them developing self worth and acceptance
she only said that she would if her daughter would be crying abt it everyday
@@purpleplanet888 I mean what does a really bad nose even mean? Why is she thinking about her imaginary daughter’s features and the insecurities she’s going to have already when the kid is not even born yet. She’s very mean honestly.
No literally like everyone is talking abt the surgeon as if she’s not agreeing with the natural side most of the time as if daphne wasn’t just talking crazzzzzzzzy
Honestly, my mouth dropped when she said that. I have a big forehead. Because of my parents calling me the most beautiful daughter ever, I never thought there was anything wrong with me. Until some random douchy boy pointed it out at my birthday party. Now I've noticed it. Luckily for me, because of my parents, I have a high self esteem and wouldn't change my face and/or forehead for anything. But my insecurity came from someone else. If I had Daphne as a parent, I might've grew up with a different head on my shoulders.
She could ensure her daughter there is nothing wrong with her nose, and that she’s beautiful; but no, straight to surgery 😭😭 I hope she never has a daughter
24:12 I knew the second Daphne opened her mouth that she was immature and ignorant but hearing her say that is SHOCKING. When will we accept that agreeing that people should get work done is agreeing that there is something wrong with them in the first place? This girl definitely doesn’t care about that though since she just said “if she had a bad nose”. Normalise seeing a therapist instead of a plastic surgeon like the one in this video who is obviously trying to sugar coat her pathetic profession of profiting off of people’s insecurities. I don’t know about everyone else but unique beauty is so attractive to me; just being able to look at people and see features indicative of certain cultural backgrounds (eg roman noses) and the features that were passed down to them is so beautiful. Plastic surgery is literally wiping your identity. We need to stop trying to change ourselves to fit a trend or standard, embrace our unique qualities and stop putting so much emphasis on our looks. There is so much more to life. I just know you’re a bland person with zero personality if all you care about is what you look like. Get a hobby, and a therapist.
I’m glad you pointed that out bc my mouth literally dropped open when she said that
it’s so sad to see so many young women change their natural face because they feel like they aren’t pretty :(
rather pathetic then sad.
western ideology is too materialistic.
Not everyone is pretty and its natural to want to be. Risking your health for it is another matter...
@@rip_kaiza283change ur statement to not everyone is pretty… to everyone
It’s not sad
@@nxtxshx07Cope
I once visited a cosmetic surgery clinic for chin / jaw fillers and botox when I was 34 and the doctor refused to do it. He said that my face is fine as it is and I’m beautiful. Sorta healed my self image issues… I guess docs like that are rare nowadays..
That's awesome!!
Love that
I went for a nose job consultation and the Dr. told me women pay to get a nose like mine and she refused. Definitely helped me feel better about a feature I always hated
I feel like this is the ultimate compliment. Someone who is monetarily incentivized to change one of your features refusing because you're too beautiful. If I got this advise, I would feel like a million bucks.
I went in to get jaw Botox to reduce my square face but the nurse said no 😂 she said my structure was nice which made me feel great but it’s hard to believe as someone who’s Asian Australian, I’m constantly swung back and forth from Asian and Western beauty standards 😢
Superficial culture creates superficial people
Exactly
I'm hesitant to agree only because I know you're limiting it to this one aspect when 90% of our society is superficial or simulacra. Ex. Voting is superficial in a system with electoral delegates.
Valuing appearance / engaging in medical cosmetics does not = a shallow or superficial person. Generalizing people based on personal choices is judgmental & close minded. Stereotypes are superficial opinions Emanuel!
@@giavonnathomas1265the way I interpreted his comment was to say that since people do judge and treat others differently for their physical appearance and features they were born with (superficial), it makes people want to get surgery to change the features that they were born with (also being “superficial”).
ur on a superficial platform commenting a superficial comment, stop judging, plastic surgery is a consequence of this society
Amala is aesthetically pleasing. She is well styled and gorgeous hair.
Daphne is very immature. I also feel like she has deep insecurities that she would rather not address, so opts to be flippant and nonchalant instead of processing her inner issues. The other plastic surgery ladies were really wholesome and honest, but Daphne's immaturity really came through.
She's 23.. u really expect 20 yr olds to be mature. They havent figure out life yet.
@@s.r6331I’m 16 and have a few more brain cells than that 😂
@@bluesbloomsGood for you, everyone matures at different rates and it definitely takes some time for a lot of people. Everyone has different problems to face.
@@annemadden7920And clearly her problem was her face
@@s.r6331 You say that but literally most of the other ladies were around her age too (in their 20's) yet they were not as obnoxious as her....
When the surgeon said she was freaking out during lockdown cus she finally saw how she TRULY looked like & started panicking and injecting her self asap. It was kinda sad but respect to her for keeping it real!
Omg, that’s so sad 😢
ironic, because she immediately turned around and said that she loved the way she looks😂
Exactly so for her to then say she loves how she looks is high key a contradictory statement.
Basically she’s just telling us what we want to hear to keep her business running lmaoo
I came to the comments to see if anyone caught that. I was so confused when she said she loves herself.
The Dr is being intentionally obtuse toward the naturals arguments.
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She is pro isreal so
The example of the married couple and the wife needing surgery to be intimate.. TF.. maybe the husband has cornbrain or not in love like that address the real issue 😅
I know but her air of superiority she gives off makes me irate haha
@@robbiedaw3415I’m not surprised by that at all
Notice how none of them were rude or yelled at each other?? Very classy, very demure ✨
Classy sure 😂
I genuinely like that this felt like a discussion rather than people shouting over people
I think cosmetic surgeries are already normalised. Or maybe I'm just de-sensitized to it because of all these influencers and celebrity culture doing this.
only among certain subcultures. definitely not noramal to general society
@@rickson50 ehh lots of general society also gets surgeries. I have seen 2 or 3 ppl with bbls in person.
they are definitely normalized in some countries like korea
@@rickson50 I disagree, I graduated high school in 2016, I’m 26 now and myself a lot of my classmates have stable salaries, a large amount of the girls have already invested in getting cosmetic procedures done and it’s regular conversation when we meet up for dinners, we were theatre nerds and gamers in high school, and now most of us work regular office jobs
I agree but also everything we see now de sensitized in most stuff
remember it’s a business. people will butcher someone for the money in it. not social care !
While I agree on kinda, there are also plastic surgeons who do medical procedures to help patients beyond boobjobs & buttlifts. You have one that focuses on on burn victims for instance.
@@MaxTheDestroyer707 That's literally what the surgeon in the video spoke about. But people are so quick to judge, probably because they're ugly and can't afford surgery...
Exactly. I am surveying people here by asking this simple question: Why is it that 92% of people who undergo cosmetic plastic surgery are women? (According to the American Society of Plastic Surgeons (ASPS), including both surgical and non-surgical treatments)
Just answer that question.
also her explaining it's okay to give a teenager a surgery because she's getting bullied as if she was the problem and not the bullies...
@@TheUrbanEpicurelmao natural beauty could never be ugly but nice try
Christie is stunning. I loved hearing her points too, she’s so intelligent and empathetic 🥺
That doctor is completely delusional, she basically said that her definition of natural is unclockable 💀 GURLL BFFR 😭
she completely missed what they were talking about
Especially when she is very clock-able. Sure her work looks by today's srandard but she also has a cookie-cutter face. Boring!
And before that she said that no one could tell she had anything done... GIRL YES WE CAN
I think Daphne was gonna call her out on that lmao she was like uhh we can tell girl
😂😂
„I had 15 syringes of filler and you wouldn’t know“ WE DO KNOW GIRLY. WE SEE IT CLEARLY
i guess im the only one who didn't see it
Thank you, her face was definitely a little stiff lol
I laughed at that. I may not have noticed the filler, but I noticed the Botox immediately.
@@amarachin.4572stop lying bruh😂😂😂
you can really tell when she laughs
I loved the Asian girl she is so sweet and honest and realistic and I can relate to her as well ! but so is Amala she is SO smart and I went to school w her ! So glad to see her standing in what she believes in 💕 love the conversation! Amala has found self love and is real as well
Aw girly thank you so much ❤
@@carlanunez609 she had her surgeries just to be "sxy" work. That's a slap in the face to all people that are naturally built like that and a fetishized. Priorities are all messed up. No respect
@@ChristieMcFityou look like Kimora. 💚💙
asian chick was my FAVE!!!
Natural beauty will not cease to exist. If you’re chronically online, that could be a trend in your algorithm but in reality, across the globe, people don’t get surgeries done. It’s accessible but there’s a lot of people who don’t want to do the upkeep nor do they have the finances for that upkeep. I understand a lot of people who speak on podcasts aren’t nuanced and feel like “it’s this or that” but life isn’t just “I see lots of people online getting surgeries so, soon, you won’t be able to see and know anyone’s natural face” like you’re being dramatic.
Sagging breasts are completely natural for women of ALL ages they need to be normalised. The analogy used at 7:54 isn’t cause for plastic surgery but for self love. I love my huge saggy boobs and idc because it’s MY body.
Not true at all. Sagging breasts are deemed very unattractive by society and most men. I have spoken with many men and most would pick a woman who has healthier looking and more attractive breasts than a woman with sagging ones. Perky breasts give the impression that the women takes care of herself which is what men like.
We need to stop lying to ourselves to make ourselves feel better and understand certain things aren’t attractive
@@rinared9 she said natural not attractive, wtf?? How do you come to the conclusion natural and attractive are synonymous??? Saggy balls aren’t attractive either btw but it IS natural
YASSS 🎉
@@Januaryjenkins THIS! The male genitalia stay saggy and wrinkled 😂
@@rinared9having saggy breasts has nothing to do with taking care of yourself? It just happens, it's life.
I can't help but notice that everyone is on the younger side in this. I think some of the story is missing here. Some perspective from someone in their 60s on either side would balance some of the talking points discussed. It's easy to believe in 'natural beauty' when you're younger (I put it in quotes because, to me, natural beauty means not wearing makeup for the most part). Let's hear the perspective of an older person some who prefers natural beauty. Let's hear from someone who's spent decades utilizing cosmetic beauty surgery. I think some of these discussions would have gone in a different direction with that broader perspective
This 👏
This is almost always the case.
I feel like the younger guests would misunderstand and check out or become combative lol
Valid Point! Never wore makeup outside of lipgloss & mascara until I was >30! Also started wearing sunscreen-lol! Additional perspective from even the 40-50 age bracket would add additional, valuable input to this conversation. Definitely easier to sway towards the “natural” side of this argument in your 20’s!!!!
Definitely would've made a huge difference
I don’t necessarily agree with using the example of a woman whose abdominal muscles are displaced to the point that you can see her herniated intestines as justification for cosmetic surgeries. That woman doesn’t have a cosmetic issue, she has a structural issue. She can show that it disrupts her daily movements and keeps her from comfortably being able to move. She could get part of an abdominal reconstruction surgery covered by insurance. That is not purely cosmetic. I’ve had diastasis recti, it really sucked and I worked really hard to close it. If I couldn’t physically close it myself surgery might’ve been an option. We should normalize excess skin removal surgeries after weight loss or after children if that skin gets in the way of clothing fitting comfortably/properly, or if it inhibits hygiene.
Exactly. It's telling that that's the example she kept coming back to.
@@bbbbb741 Insurance says it's cosmetic
She just promoting herself. Lol
@@l19719 what does that have to do with what I wrote?
Yep, exactly. You can get plastic surgery for medical reasons. But the conversation is about cosmetic surgery.
Amala is sooo beautifully well spoken
Nikki’s listening/processing facial expressions have me absolutely WEAAAAK 😂😂😂
LMAOAO FRRL she looks like she’s shitting 😭
Loool that's EXACTLY the comment I was looking for 😂😂
FOR REAL😂😂 I have a very expressive face, this is what I probably look like at many times too.😂
Me too hahaha
LOL SAME. I make the same expression when I'm deeply listening
The older I get the more I realise that “ageing gracefully” has nothing to do with the way you look. It’s got to do with health, personal relationships, filling your time with something meaningful, being useful to the people you love. A spirited grandma growing her own fruit and veg and cooking for her grandchildren is, I’m my eyes, ageing a lot more gracefully than a plastic filled woman that is desperately trying to look younger than her years.
You could be both at the same time. I intend to be. One has nothing to do with the other.
Yes 🎉❤
i absolutely agree 💯
I couldn't agree more. Why is "graceful" being equated with "external beauty" rather than grace of spirit, mind, and heart? My mom grew up in Los Angeles and baked in the sun all through her youth, so now in her 70's, her skin is extremely wrinkled. But she's active, healthy, and still has all all her marbles. I'd consider that to be aging gracefully, no matter what her skin looks like.
100%
The disproportionality of women who get cosmetic plastic surgery versus men who do tells us so much about this conversation. One thing it definitely highlights is how women are valued on looks and such little else, and that's absolutely heartbreaking.
What about steroid use in men? It's still a way to change your body
@@pvcorestill disproportionate
@@Kirbystare1992 True but them's the breaks. This conversation has been done a million times without a different conclusion. Women valued on looks, men more so on our accomplishments and financial standing. Heteronormative gender expectations aren't going away in our lifetime unfortunately.
Agree the idea that woman only value is beauty is so depressing .
many years ago, some guy tried to argue with me on here that the beauty industry is as bad on men as it is on women and ppl were actually defending him. People are truly delulu
As a husband, natural beauty is my wife waking up in the am with messy hair, no makeup, in a shirt with holes near the collar. This is when shes most beautiful❤
Christie is so sweet. Listening to her talk about the way she views herself made me so happy
i absolutely loved christie omg. its always such a treat when she comes on a jubilee video, she makes me feel so safe through the screen and idek her nor do i even have any plastic surgery lol! its just the way she carries herself, the way she really thinks about everything she says before she says it and can really articulate herself well. in my opinion she brought an even more important level of nuance to the conversation than the plastic surgeon did.
@@Playsch00lomg which other jubilee vids has Christie been in? I need to watch them
Never heard of anyone in Asia getting nose surgery to wear glasses. They make glasses that fit ethnic faces instead of doing surgery to fit a pair of glasses. Wtf is this plastic surgeon on about.
That’s just something they tell themselves to get a nose job to have a higher bridge.
As someone who has a flat or more broad nose and who wears glasses,I have never heard someone say that before. Do I have to push my glasses up on my nose? Yes, but, not being able to wear glasses because I don't have a high bridge, no.
Also the fact that she said they either have to get a nose job, otherwise they’d HAVE to do LASIK… like lasik isn’t cheaper than the nose job and has similar if not a shorter recovery period than a nose job, PLUS fixes the actual issue of you not being able to see and saving money on prescriptions, glasses, contacts, appts etc….. like girl you’re really telling me people opt for the nose job for FUNCTIONALITY lol?!
Yeess
Lmbo, my first thought was "then design new glasses that fit Asian noses" lolol
Honestly, these surgeries make a lot of these women look older than they really are. Maybe even speed up the aging process…
Less is more. You can make tweaks here and there and get away with it, but they always end up over doing it.
girls i have known since i was in elementary school have gotten work done, and they’re all unrecognizable and they all look so aged. taking kylie jenner as an example she was looking like she was in her 30s when she first entered her 20s.
Christie looking like she in her 30s not 26. 💀
reminds me of Love Island UK
Exactly. Why did no one mention this? Daphne looks at least 3 years older. She mentioned it's been a while since she got botox
I love my SAGGY BOOBS, my stretch marks, and my jiggly belly. I think it's super sexy and cute and would NEVER want to change them.
Personally I only accept plastic surgery when it's actually needed: noses that can't breathe correctly, extreme asymmetry or deformed features, reconstructing the face after a bad injury etc.
Stop making healthy bodies look like they need "fixing".
EXACTLY bro
It’s more common than people think getting plastic surgery for health reasons.
Getting a tummy tuck after pregnancy isn’t just for looks. My mom was peeing herself a little, and having a hard time pooping after the damage.
She went to a plastic surgeon and got it fixed.
After I became a mom I met a lot of women with different problems from pregnancy they got fixed with surgery. Like a hernia on the abs.
I became more pro plastic surgery and would even say health insurance should cover mommy makeovers, cause I saw first hand all the damage you can go through after pregnancy.
Back in history women with potty issues was a huge problem.
i do tend to agree with this as someone with a strong preference for natural beauty/ the natural look in general. but i think the whole 'extreme asymmetry' does go back to the point of - where do we draw the line in the sand?
Dr: "During lockdown, I couldn't keep up with getting my work done (botox, fillers, etc) so I couldn't wait to rush back to the office because I felt like I looked horrible."
Also Dr: "I don't think the work I get done matters all that much because of my mom and the journey I took to get here made me happy with who I am" 🙄
real i was like.......wut? she contradicted herself a whole lot but that one was most glaring. lol
Two things can be true at once. Fillers aren’t as invasive as rhinoplasty, chin implants, eye bag removal.
She said so many weird things lol 😅😂😢
Yes, I was thinking exactly the same thing, like girl you ran to get filler cause you hated what you saw, don't try to sugar coat it now.
She was just there to promote herself. Lol
my bf gets so sad whenever i talk about changing any of my features, he's really helped me accept myself
Some are too far on the oogly meter that they can’t even acquire a boyfriend 🤷♀️.
That's a keeper
i am so happy for you
@DigimonOmobasuyi there's ugly men everywhere that compete for them They're only alone bc they refuse to date their looksmatch.
@@DigimonOmobasuyi read the beauty myth by naomi wolf and stop basing your worth on your looks. You shouldn't need a boyfriend to feel worthy
“No one would know when you walked in a room that you had anything done” 😓that’s so sad hear. Natural is the state in which we were born, nothing else. Giving something the false illusion of natural (natural aesthetic) is part of preying on people’s insecurity
To the surgeon who said you can't tell she got work done... sorry honey it's obvious in my opinion
She said herself she hasn't moved her forehead in 16 years and yet was for normalizing plastic surgery. Sorry paralyzing your face on purpose shouldn't be normalized. Some people choose to do it but it shouldn't be the norm.
She’s beautiful so…
Honestly think she looked natural
She looks very natural to me!
@@Kaibaby1992she is clearly in her 40s yet her tight skin isn't natural. Very obvious.
Mother here with a pouch and saggy boobs. The biggest reason I feel like I need to get these fixed after I'm done having kids is the image of women put out on media. If we had a real unfiltered woman for the face of woman, there would be a lot less woman feeling insecure. Thank goodness, I have a husband who loves me and still finds me sexy and beauty no matter how my body has changed.
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So true!
I agree, my biggest insecurity is seeing moms online with a flat stomach and perky boobs, if I don’t see them I’m fine lol
Why are you putting the responsibility of your insecurity on these women though? They’re not directly telling you something is wrong with you. Mabye it’s something you feel deep down that it’s bought out when online. I won’t deny media definitely contributes, but it’s your mindset at the end of the day. Love yourself and you won’t feel the need to compare.
@@allyson3123I don’t think the problem is seeing women who look a certain way and comparing yourself to them, I think the problem is when you ONLY see women who look a certain way.
It’s one thing to have your friends on Instagram who have a smaller build than you, it’s a whole other thing when every post you look at, actress you see, ad you see, are all women who look the same. Most of this online is INTENTIONAL to try to sell you something. Sell you the idea that you’re abnormal and you need to pay money to change.
The responsibility on the other women isn’t to make me or anyone else more secure. But that doesn’t mean that I’m going to stay silent about a culture that encourages me and other people to hide or cover our insecurities in effort to be perfect and in turn influence other women that they also need to be perfect.
@@allyson3123 because people don't exist in a vacuum. we're social animals by nature and you can't overcome this fact with your sheer will
What’s weird from my outter observation, a lot of these women start looking very similar and their unique beauty goes away. They start looking like influencer clones.
Exactly.
Yes!! Variety is the spice of life.
Life would be _so boring_ if everyone would look exactly the same.
All the different noses are intriguing to me; one "style" is not better than another. The shape of the eyes, the bow is the lips, the cheekbones, the original hair color (rare to see these days), the body shape- all so great to create variety!
Then you can bring in even more interest with the colors one likes to wear, and the style of clothing.
The hair- all the different kinds are so pretty, and who's to say which is the "best" kind, or that one type is the "preferred by everyone" version??
It’s so ironic that their intention is to make themselves more attractive but they end up ruining themselves and blending in with everyone else
"In a society that profits on insecurity, self love is an act of rebellion"
Amala as usual smashing it. Her brain the most attractive body part of her (and the bar is freaking high)
this is what should be valued in women above all: their brains!
couldnt agree more, she was an absolute showstopper and could face the ridiculous attempts made by the surgeon to steer the conversation away from the central argument, so well. i also really enjoyed christie (the asian pro-plastic girl), she had such a calm demeanour and actually listened and agreed with peoples points if they reflected her experience, irrespective of whether those people were part of the pro-plastic or pro-natural side. theres intelligence in the way one debates and i think these two were standouts to me
Amala is so intelligent & Christie's sitting posture is almost perfect!
I love Christie so much she carries herself so elegantly! Goddess !
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"Should Plastic Surgery be normalized"
Surgeon: *Brings up extreme cases*
How are the extremes normal?
She doesn’t wanna go out of business lol
They are normal and probably the majority of her clients. Especially the birth injuries. It’s not uncommon for women to have pretty significant issues from pregnancy and birth.
Those seem like extreme cases to you, but they are way more normal/ frequent than you believe. That was her whole point.
@@arushpati Lol... No, if it happens less than 5 percent of the time, doesn't matter how frequently you see it, it's extreme.
A homicide detective sees dead people everyday, but definitely doesn't believe that everyone's dying.
They’re not even extreme examples she brought up?
I love the fact that this conversation was respectful.
Insecurities plague all people. The difference between the two poles: “natural” & “surgery,” is how much their insecurities have controlled them.
Or you could look at it as though the people who had surgery are taking control of their bodies rather than being controlled by what is "natural".
Heavily agreed!
Not always . Life ain’t 🌈 and pop tarts for everyone. Not all ugly peopel get off scotch free. The world is merciless no matter how much u love yourself .
@@welicatigawhy. What he or she said is stewpid and tone deaf 😂
@@Lily-wd7dztaking control of your body does not mean you are taking control of your mind, emotions, etc. Especially given that a lot of these women struggle with doing procedure after procedure in the never ending search for acceptance, whether that be self acceptance or acceptance from others. It’s an internal issue that you’re trying to fix externally. I would not say a person with bulimic or self harming tendencies is taking control of their bodies, even though it’s been proven that individuals that go through that do so with that purpose.
The urge I’ve felt over the years to get my hip dips filled in. I use to hate them but have started to embrace them over the years. I think the natural look will come back around.
I hate my hip dips😭😭😭
I used to be so bothered by them, but seeing them on other women that I idolized, and thought were so beautiful, really made me appreciate them on myself over time.
So weird that hip dips are even an insecurity. They look so nice. They’re just part of a woman’s shape.
I feel the hip dips problem started because influencers edit their photos, I can tell because im a typical pear shape and still have those hip dips
So don't worry ❤❤
Marilyn Monroe had hip dips and people still to this day are constantly talking about how beautiful she was
"Men are more attracted to natural beauty" should have been replaced with "men prefer beauty to be natural."
Very well said!
That depends on how a woman's natural beauty looks.
Hahahaha! Lies
@@lilyshah4608Honestly i always see this phrase but the women that men are out here drooling over have had plastic surgery lmaooo . They just can't tell .
Men prefer beautiful women ! Not natural women is the correct phrase. As long as you look gorgeous plastic or not men will like you 😂.
Men even think that celebrities with personal trainers , fillers , editing and makeup are what women look like naturally . So that natural beauty phrase is just to soothe people cos we're so crowded with plastic beauty it feels very threatening to some . If that phrase was the truth a lot of things would be different .
They prefer beauty that "looks" natural. I don't think they care if it isn't.
42:11 in my opinion im more attracted to the natural girls on this panel. that's just my opinion tho , and i bet most men that watch this would be interested in a serious relationship with them over the ones who had surgery
people are arguing against plastic surgery.
when the real issue is society's pressure and unrealistic beauty standards pushed upon individuals. which is typically leveraged by corporations just to make money by picking on people's insecurities.
the surgery isn't the issue, it's societal pressure and corporate greed.
💯. If MF didn’t chastise people who they don’t seem attractive or give people they do see as appealing more opportunities, people would be content . As long as appealing people are treated better . Insecure folks will never disappear
just like fitness industry, PEDs made a lot of insecurities to naturals in which they hop on. I assume plastic surgery is a cycle of insecurities that put unrealistic standards
Exactly
Sure but normalizing and buying into the industries that perpetuate those standards or warp them further isn't helping either.
Takes two to tango, everybody is fully aware corporations are after money can't be falling for that now
The natural girls are all slim, have glowing skin and are conventionally beautiful. It’s really easy to love yourself when you’re already conventionally beautiful.
Every day women should have been part of this conversation.
This !!!
I mean I feel like I’m extremely average, and there’s parts of me I don’t like, but I agree with a lot of what they said.
i thought about that too
You're viewing them exactly how society wants you to view them. That's part of the problem, why is someone that's "conventionally beautiful" not as valid as someone thats "average"? That's the whole point of being human we all look completely different, just like personalities. It doesn't matter who is up there, we all have insecurities even if you think they're "perfect".
exactly omgg like the conversation seems so disconnected from the struggles of people who aren’t the beauty standards, like yeah ofc u can ‘choose to love yourself naturally’ but some people’s lives are materially impacted by the way they look.
Amala is one of the more self reflective people that's ever been on one of these episodes.
Yep, she’s been on several Jubilee videos. Shes pretty consistent
Amala is the best fr😭🙏
Looove Amala, she's always super level headed and so well spoken
She has her own UA-cam channel. She’s very aware and intelligent. Awesome person, love listening to her 😊
Yeah, I’m surprised this is the most levelheaded that I’ve seen her actually agree with some of her points in THIS VIDEO. But normally she just comes off like a token and a Candace Owens wanna be💀
I worry because I don't think a lot of young women don't understand how multiple procedures end up doing the opposite. They're trying to fit a standard and fight aging but it ages them which sadly will probably lead to more procedures.
I’m sorry but Daphne is deeply insecure. She keeps deflecting points by making excuses. Everything is so ”simple” to her. Like at 20:19 when she says “your mom can tell you all day your beautiful but if you won’t believe it if you’re getting treated bad at school.” Or something along those lines is mind boggling to me. So because one has insecurities instead of doing the inner work they should just say screw it and go under the knife? She tries to minimize plastic surgery to to this easy quick fix that comes with no repercussions and has no downsides when it’s just not true. I feel like she’s doing this to make herself feel better about getting surgery because due to her insecurities, the opposing side’s points feel like personal attacks to her ego. Plus the flat affect and monotone voice she puts on to try to elude to her being “unbothered” is so easy to see through. Everytime she speaks she’s literally proving their point. Really hope she can work through this because it’s really sad to see.
Totally 100% agree with everything you said. Watching her speak irked me so badly because it was so easy to read through all the insecure comments she made. The way she spoke as well as her facial expression said it all about how two-faced she is literally disguising her low self-esteem
I wished they talked more about how plastic surgery has roots in misogyny and to appeal to the male gaze
THIS
This crazy and a lie used to cope.
Most men that I know personally do not like plastic surgery
THIS
I am a future therapist/therapy goer and I would love to see you do one over therapy goers and people that wont do therapy!!! (put me on the panel please!!!)
Current therapist here. I'd love to see that too! I'd even be on the panel if I could.
@@Whueso ditto
@@Whueso they need people that go to therapy/dont and are current therapists and future therapists
Very important subject.
Brilliant idea!
6:17 it is NOT impossible to decide the limitations of permissible cosmetic surgeries, especially on children. Much like how insurance companies require prior authorization for X procedures, there should be a prior auth-like process/ethics review for procedures? Cannot possibly identify all the required procedures? BOLOX. Insurance companies have entire teams dedicated to denying coverage, based off of knowledge of specific procedures. The bias in her is insane.
Insurance doesn't cover any type of cosmetic surgery....
@@inublossom Well duh, that's already common knowledge. She is arguing that there is no way to regulate the procedures. I am offering a way
@@inublossombut they do at times. Sometimes plephoroplasty is covered. The girl with the labia that hung down could cause physical problems likely could have been covered with insurance.
This plastic surgeon is trying so hard to keep money rolling in LMAO. That's all she's doing is defending the money plastic surgery gets her.
Exactly what I said!
Very shallow of her honestly
Well, that’s literally her job….??! I mean am I missing something???? 🤷🏾♀️
@@PrincessJJ-o3n She could've honestly been real because regardless people would still go, the way she was defending it like she was going to be jobless tomorrow was like come on 🙄. Bringing up medical surgeries deflected from the issue at hand, because the subject wasn't medical surgeries. It was plastic surgeries to enhance looks for superficial reasons.
She sees everything through the lens of 💸💸💸
I feel bad for Daphne... she's very insecure and hides behind being blunt in my opinion. I think she has more maturing to do. Even her posture is small and clinched she's deeply insecure about herself.
I don't think this is fair on her. She's literally 23, it's expected that she's supposed to be maturing. She also may just have bad posture or be nervous... this is intimidating and not everyone is great at public speaking.
@@oliviaw.2842periodt , people read into people tooo deep, let them live and learn
Stop protecting your insecurities on her
“even her posture is small and clinched she’s deeply insecure”.. wtf is this comment, please go outside. you have never met people in your life
@@ert-u9bsounds so much like projection 💀
The comment Daphne made about her hypothetical daughter getting a nose job...im sorry why is no one talking about that?! that was so awful!
i thought it was too. we need to cultivate stronger self esteem in our young girls
I don’t see the problem, if it’s effecting her mental health so be it. Many cultures do it.
i don’t think people that answer like her don’t often use the depth of thought required to understand how wrong what she said is.
What’s the time stamp
@@justs0phie250 24:00
It's funny how Amala says that cosmetic industry play upon women's insecurities but I've never put makeup on my face (except for mask to make my skin even) and a lot of people used to say: "You're so beautiful! Why don't you put some makeup on?". So, makeup is supposed to make women look more beautiful? So why would I, being "so beautiful" (I'm cute, but not that beautiful, btw, and I don't think that matters that much, anyway...), need makeup?! I think that makeup (I'm not talking about face paintings for ritual events, of course) is a result of the misogynistic idea that women "need" to be beautiful, or else, she has no value because she isn't doing her social role of being a "pretty thing" for men! That idea that if a woman doesn't wear makeup and doesn't wear high hills it's like if we were durty or untidy, or something, it's nuts!
Christie was so open and sweet during this conversation! Loved her!!!
Thank you 🥺🙏 this positive feedback is so sweet
The plastic surgeon is toxic. Idk. I would be that mom that has her stomach blown out and boobs hanging “to here” and it’s the idea that “normal” or “mommy makeover” “bbl” type is the beauty standard that puts into my head that my body is ugly. It’s because people spend money to change things that are normal, that now the new normal is to get procedures done. No I don’t want to go under for 4 hours and risk life to look “normal” I am normal.
You’re beautiful in and out ❤️
Real her wording is literally the issue at hand
Exactly
The language she uses is all wrong in the first place
Yes!! I find the way she talks about women’s bodies to be horrific. The way she talks about women’s bodies alone induces anxieties and insecurities.
How can she sit there and describe this Barbie idea of women as the “normal” or “standard”?
LITERALLY this comment was wild, I can’t even believe she casually suggested that instead of accepting yourself why shouldn’t you just go get a 4 hour procedure 💀 This woman is disgusting and so desperate for new clients 🤣
Why are we not teaching women and girls that's it's okay to be ugly, you don't have to be pretty to be worthy of life, looks aren't everything, just be yourself and love yourself
Probably dormant natural selection
Everyone is ugly to someone just as you will be beautiful to another
Exactly. You don’t owe anyone a pretty face. You are still worthy of love and decency simply because you’re a person
because that would put the beauty industry out of business
Yes firm believer of beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.