On the Wrist, from off the Cuff: Tissot - Gentleman Powermatic 80 Silicium, $500 Rolex Datejust Alt-
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2024
- On this episode we checkout a brand that we haven't reviewed in some time now, Tissot. Their Gentleman Powermatic 80 Silicium has been on my radar for some time now and thanks to some grey market savings via Jomashop (links below), I was able to finally pick one up on the cheap to share with you all. This model packs a huge punch around $500 and wraps it in a super versatile aesthetic, making for a very compelling overall package. The Gentleman PM80 S, has everything you need and nothing you don't to be a great option as your everyday wrist companion. You could either think of it as a Swiss Seiko SARB033 or an affordable Rolex Datejust alternative, on their end of that spectrum it's in good company though, which is something pretty rare in this segment. Let me know what you think in the comments below, thanks guys!
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Most comprehensive and concise review on this watch by far. TQ.
Tissot is a great brand. This piece shows the quality they achieved with their almost 170 years of history. Being part of the Swatch group sometimes makes people consider it underrated, witch for me is not. High quality entry level Swiss brand, and definetly one of the greatest.
One of the best Tissot ever made,timeless!
Showing all the important specs on screen only 15 seconds into the video. I love that. You are amazing!
Hey Mark, you forgot to mention the most important aspect of this watch, which is the silicon hairspring. That part of the watch will be a-magnetic. It's good to see some Omega tech making its way to the lower Swatch brands.
I really like this watch too, just wish it was 38mm with a screw down crown and a proper clasp. I've never liked butterfly clasps, and it's what I dislike most about my Aqua Terra. Speaking of Aqua Terra, I see this watch more as a more affordable version of that watch.
I've given Tissot some feedback on this watch on IG, I hope they do listen.
Is the Coaxial escapement out of patent yet? As far as I can tell, it is. I'm hoping and looking forward to that tech diffusing thru the rest of the industry. Might be wishful thinking.
@@Mister_Phafanapolis According to Google Patents, the Co-Axial Escapement patent owned by Omega expired in 12th April 2019. I hope to see it soon on lower Swatch brands too.
@@Mister_Phafanapolis I doubt it will trickle down, otherwise they will dilute the selling point of the Omega brand. Besides, not every watchmaker would know what to do with a co-axial movement. The great thing about off the shelf movements is you can take them to a local watchmaker and they'll be able to work on them.
Simplicity is elegant, gorgeous watch!
Really like your videos! Great job playing with the light and excellent shots. Thank you!
This watch makes me wonder why I spent so much on my Explorer 39. Very nice release by Tissot, basically a Rolex OP with a date and some polished links.
Great review! Good to see Tissot get some love. Great value, quality, presence! Has been on my radar for a while also.
Excellent review. A little surprised not to hear a single word on the silicon balance spring. This is an undeniable advantage of this watch.
This watch is now on my list. Great channel btw.
I just picked up the tissot gentleman with 18k rose gold. It goes toe-to-toe with my seiko sarw041 baby grand snowflake. For the price it is an unbelievable value for a swiss timepiece and I have no regrets. It is probably the most light reflective watch I own.
I prefer the gold version. Better case proportions with larger and longer lugs that result to a 20mm bracelet !
Hello Isaac - you mean Tissot gentleman is the most light reflective = blingy watch?
Great review. I love the way this watch looks as well as the Powermatic 80 movement. The only thing I wish it had is a day/date complication. I know some people don't care for it, but I really find it very useful.
I'm happy to say after 1 year that my Tissot Gentleman has always been accurate. It's level with the Longines VHP for reliability.
nice, informative review - thanks
Nice review,thanks.
I love everything about this watch except for the 21mm lug width.
I agree. 20 mm makes more sense, but I would probably just stick with the bracelet most of the time anyway.
Awa
Why anybody would use a 21 mm lug width is beyond me. Just for that I would not buy it. They are trying to force you to buy their straps. Don’t tell me it’s a design thing that’s a load of bull. It’s a shame because it’s decent otherwise, except for the polished links I prefer all brushed .
The gold version is 20mm ! Better case design with larger lugs like an oyster case.
@@theoverlord1925 you can find 21 mm straps these days, so it is a minor annoyance. I have 3 watches with 19 mm lug width and it hasn't been hard to find straps for those watches either.
38mm w/20mm lugs, a high beat movement, and a proper fold over clasp. Charge $900 and people would line up for these. Since Seiko stopped production on the SARB, Tissot could fill that void in the marketplace for an affordable datejust alternative.
The PR100 pretty much fits that description, except for the fold over clasp, at a much lower price point. The style and finish are similar enough.
I think part of Swatch's ladder is that every watch has to have some flaws baked in, on purpose. Like, "Oh well, this $700 Tissot has issues, better spend $5,000 on an Aqua Terra because Swiss luxury marketing."
Hi-beat is around 36.000 bph or more, so that’s ridiculous. If you are referring to the more standard 28.800 or 4hz, there would be no 80hr power reserve without double barrels. Not at this price point, not even close. It’s a compromise. A lower beat movement is not inherently less accurate, just less susceptible to shock. This issue is however partially made irrelevant through the use of the SI balance spring in combination with a free-sprung balance (and therefore a lack of a regulator). I agree with the size however, 38mm would have been much better. They should have narrowed-down the bezel a bit as well, it’s a bit board in my opinion. Screwed links would have been another nice addition. These are the kinds of things Tissot saved on to reach this price point. Same with the lack of COSC, even though the movement is the same grade as their certified ones.
They also could have used a solid-steel (and SCREW ON instead of Snap-off) caseback to bring the thickness down to perhaps 10,5mm while still retaining 100m WR. It also would have increased magnetic resistance even more (faraday cage).
A next level improvement to the C07.811 movements would be the addition of a silicon pellet fork and escape wheel to make this movement truly anti-magnetic.
@@elcheezfinishing can’t be the same with gentleman compared to pr100?!if I would buy the gent it’s partly for the finishing..or am I wrong?
@@abdulrahmanassous2873 the PR100 is not as smart or polished as the Gentleman, and there are some functional differences like date window at 6 instead of 3. It’s more basic and sporty.
This is a good looking watch and has an excellent price. No need to pay more.
I actually got this for 700$ in Thailand not grey market, actual certified reseller in a mall, great watch!
Thanks for the great review. I think I’ll be picking up the blue one.
That's my favorite too and on my "to buy" list.
great review, thanks
Rather than Rolex’s Oyster Perpetual, I think a closer competitor to this is the SARB, SARX, SARY line from Seiko. I own this watch with the midnight blue dial, it is fantastic, total strap monster. I agree that 38mm would be a little more all day everyday, it would never leave my wrist. As it is, I swap it for my SNKL23 when I get home, just love the smaller watches which disappear yet reappear when you want them to. Thanks for the review.
Just bought a Smith's Everest so using it as my daily for now. But this Tissot is next. You get so much for the money with this watch. Wish it had a screw down crown.
I have had my eye on this watch for a few months. It is hard to justify as I already have a stable of moderately priced every day and dressy watches including a couple of Tissots, but who knows. That black dial is really nice and just might be my next watch. I know it looks a lot like a Rolex but that is sort of the point. If that is the look you want but can't justify spending $5K or more for an Oyster Perpetual, the $500 Tissot might be just the thng.
Thanks for the great Video, the Tissot Gentleman looks so very nice, good review! 😊👌🏼
Great review! If I got one, I would get the bracelet and end link all brushed and call it a day.
I got this watch in the white dial on a brown leather strap a couple of months ago and it's become my M-F work watch. If anyone is on the fence about this watch i would say, pull the trigger and get it. It has a beautiful dial and a fabulous movement. I can't say enough about the practicality of the 80hr power reserve. I take this watch off friday night, wear my trusty seiko dive watch during the weekend, and this watch is still running when i pick it back up monday morning. Plus this is the most accurate watch in my collection, i think i lucked on this one since it's running at -1 second a day on the wrist.
Is it still -1 sec per day??
@@accuracychannel.7242 I'm averaging 46 seconds per month now (roughly 1.5 seconds a day), which is really good for the price.
johnshu1988x Not very good but excellent! Many congrats. Honestly your watch is more accurate than my Patek Nautilus and Rolex Day date. Happy for you. Will buy it. Its $500 with the dealer here in Dubai.
Hands down The Best automatic swiss watch under 1000 dollars/euros. Forget the PRX, this is the real deal.
Love your reviews! Curious to hear your thoughts / recommendation between Seiko Presage Edge vs. Tissot Powermatic, both under 900.
Both are beautiful watches!
I have two, one blue and one black. Excellent low--cost alternative to the DJ 41.
Nice review, definitely one of my favourite Tissot releases in a while. Looks like their answer to the Seiko SARB033. My SARB shows the same brown tones under natural light too. Definitely on my list.
Go with Seiko, Swatch group, over priced.over rated, Meh!!!
@@user-ow4pt5li4d Seiko's going up-market now, a lot of their timepieces now are right in the range of these Tissots.
My thoughts exactly. Got my son the 033 for his Xmas and this Tissot made me think of it immediately. If I didn't have a Sary055 (and a black Visodate) already, I'd get one. Although overkill doesn't exist, does it ;-)
Definitely similar watches. I own a sarb033 and would give the edge to it over the Tissot in the area of case, dial and handset. Movement would go to the Tissot. Both very nice watches.
My Seiko sarbo33 is better.
Strong value proposition with this one.
Great review, would love to see you do a Squale review one day.
This is the best alternative for rolex explorer to me. Except the 40mm diameter and the 21mm lug width. Is there smaller version of this?
This version has IR coating and quartz version does not have it, right? thats why the dial on automatic looks cleaner/better, right? I would like this Tissot even quartz, couse I like the look, but the dial would not be so nice?
Nice review and nice watch. Just wish you would show it on the left wrist. Literally 90% of humans are right-handers, with watch on left hand. I know, not fair but....
I'm left handed, with my watch on my left 🤣
Have the same watch. It is an awesome piece. I never take it off the bracelet but i agree a 22 will generally fit it fine.
There should be a head to head comparison between this Gentleman and the SARB 👌
I know is called gentleman, but if there was a folding clasp instead the butterfly and no date...An amazing alternative to an OP
That's a really nice watch. Think I'll buy one.
What do you guys know about Tissot after-sales?? Are they taking care of the movements properly during service? Any occasions when they charged your ass off outside 2 year warranty? ... I appreciate all comments, thanks guys...
From my own experience Tissot their customer service is excellent. If any problem within the warranty time they won't charge you for repair. And they don't do anything you don't want them to do, you just have to mention it when sending in.
Really do appreciate this review. I've been comparing this to the Monta Triumph and Longines Conquest myself. Any idea if Certina has something in the R Date Just range?
I do like the Certina DS-1 Powermatic 80, although design wise it's a bit more inline with the Tag Heuer Carrera aesthetic vs. being in the more safe design vien seen on the Tissot.
I would happily trade either the 80 hour power-reserve or the silicone-hairspring for a 4k-sweep.
Check this one out then: ua-cam.com/video/E1AkjsbNuTQ/v-deo.html
Kind of reminds me of my Hamilton Khaki King, also at 40mm
It was love at first sight for me
I got the blue dial it reminds me of an Aqua Terra, Oyster Perpetual , Grand Seiko.
I habe the Blue Version and watch is very nice.
The C07.811 (or .111) which is used in this watch is by the way NOT a standard ETA movement. It is based on the 2824-2, It is however a Swatch exclusive movement that is not sold to third parties. That means that a non-swatch-certified watchmaker will not be able to get original parts for this caliber. Many parts are identical to the 2824, but due to the lower beat the parts in the gear train will be different. Also the watch lacks a regulator. A good watchmaker will still be able to regulate this movement, but not everyone will do a good job, and some might refuse. It is certainly not something your should try yourself. Keep this in mind.
Yo that watch is straight fire.
In my opinion, Seiko SARB033 or Orient Star WZ0011DV look better. However, this watch has more advanced movement.
10 bars - doing the dishes lol :D Mate, 10 bar WR watch is something that you have no problem snorkeling with in the ocean.
Static WR ratings vs. actual practical use can get a little muddy, I personally don't like to submerge anything under without a screw down crown at or under 100m
No problem in the pool.
I’m pretty sure an average vacation diver can use it in most sotuations as well
@@AverageBros my Luminox diver had a push pull crown with 200 meters water resistance and i did EVERYTHING in that watch and sold it to a friend that used it for years until he lost it water tubing, spring bar broke
@@AverageBros Yes but only in the case of 30m which equals splash proof not 30m under water. Technically 50m and up would be fine in the swimming pool. I have swam with a 50m wr apple watch for years and have had no problem
Hey, Good Video absolutely love it! I do need your help though, I am thinking to buy myself a good watch for the first time and there are 2 watches that came to my mind: (1) Seiko Presage SPB167 (blue one) and then (2) the tissot powermatic 80 silicium (the one you previously reviewed)
What do you think about both of these, and maybe you could help me figure out which one I should buy? Keep up the good work!
I opt for the blue or white to team up with my 39 explorer
very very good alternative to a Rolex Datejust on oyster
agreed, fills a very similar space for a lot less and let's face it, the DJ is probably one of the least impressive Rolex's on the market, so it's a nice trade off to have one of the more impressive Tissot's on your wrist instead.
I don't understand why you want to compare this watch with a Rolex Datejust. Why not comparing it with a Vacheron Constantin Overseas? With the blue dial, it looks very much like the VC Overseas blue dial.
Is the butterfly clasp uncomfortable at all? Looks like it might dig into the wrist?
I would call it any more or less uncomfortable that any standard butterfly clasp, so if you do or don't like them in general, this one won't change your mind.
A great specs watch, but unfortunately it seems a lot like an Oyster Perpetual as said😕 almost a homage. I love Tissot, but lately I've been a little disappointed because it's like they don't wanna put efforts in design... Tissot is totally capable to do more!
Beautiful watch . Swiss watches are nice. I have a few but my Seiko sarbo33 is just as nice as this and it was less money . The finishing is even better .
Seriously OCD if you worry about direction of the crown signatures.
i don't view it as ocd, I just think it's something nice to have... like some people can wear any $10 casio or they can wear this watch, it's just preference
I can definitely tell the difference between 21 and 28 beats but it’s never something that matters so much to me that i wouldn’t buy a watch because of a lower beat.
exactly
I think the lower beat rate for double the power reserve is a great trade off
Yeah, if Omega can get away with 7 bps I think Tissot can get away with 6 bps. It's the kind of thing you only really notice in a side by side comparison. I wouldn't buy a watch which I like less just because it uses a higher beat rate. Every solution is a trade off of some sort, it just depends where the sweet spot is for most customers. And let's be honest, most people don't even know anything about beat rates, maybe they're just looking to buy a gift etc.
baze a girl I dated earlier this year was amazed at how smooth the seconds and was on my little Seiko snk805 🤣. You are right, most people don’t notice the difference. I can definitely tell but it’s never an issue. Now, I do want a spring drive of accutron for that perfect sweep. You can definitely tell the difference there
@@mariog7213 Most ladies' watches are quartz. Maybe she was used to seeing 1-second increments and then she saw your watch. I think any automatic movement would have seemed like an improvement to her :)
Just purchased. Little worried it’ll be big for my wrist but we’ll see
I have small wrists, wears fine
Great review! It’s a beautiful watch- 21mm lug kinda sucks though.
If I wanted to, could I use a 22mm bracelet with this watch or is 21mm the max?
You could squeeze in a 22mm strap but not a metal bracelet
@@AverageBros Thank you so much! have a wonderful day!
How does this compare to a seiko sdgm/sarx
Similar fitment tolerances but generally finer finishes on the Seikos
How accurate is it?
On the other hand, vis a vis the Swatch Group thing, with so many brands, it seems they are running out of ideas for design, or running out of space for all the brands. Say what you want about Seiko (getting too pricey for the cheap movements, chapter ring issues, etc.), but their design ideas are just more compelling than a company like Tissot.
Same problem General Motors had in the 80s-00s: so many mouths to feed that the product was watered down. More effort spent on making them look superficially different than actually on just being a genuinely good product.
@Marian Kotúč They are playing it suuuuper safe. To the point where I wouldn't buy one even if it's a decent watch at a decent price. Just too vanilla, especially with so many options out there... What you say about the movement is interesting. I really dig the long power reserve, honestly, that's a real annoyance with my Seiko 5.
@Marian Kotúč Thanks! I have another question, how does this compare to sending in other "in-house" movements, for example if one were to have a simple Seiko movement serviced? Do they just replace the movement with a fresh one or what?
beautiful
I like the sector dial version myself, wish they sold em on bracelet.
ua-cam.com/video/YYkC3OWDr88/v-deo.html
Is it true that this watch isn't straightforward to service and has a replace-instead-of-repair movement?
dubbleukay like 90% of the movement out there. I heard that even omega sometimes replace their co axial instead of servicing it.
It’s cheaper for the brand to replace it than to disassembled and clean all the parts...then reassembled it.
You're thinking of their Swissmatic movement, which is similar to the movement in the Swatch System 51, that one is considered non serviceable. This one is a lot more like an ETA 2824, from my understanding it's fine for servicing, but it cannot be adjusted without special equipment.
Average Bros Thanks for your reply. I was warned specifically about this powermatic 80 with the silicium spring. But your view on it is reassuring.
I just got a Joma Certina that has been discontinued by Swatch, specifically to have a 2824-2 movement. I want this watch in a bad way, but just can't get on board with the jerky looking movement that can't be regulated by an average schmuck like me. Maybe I'll make a "Frankenstein" with the movement from the Certina in this Tissot case. I wonder if it is a bolt in swap. Does anyone know? I don't care about the extra power reserve of this new corporate movement from Swatch, and the tried and true 2824-2 with the 28,800 bph looks so much smoother on the sweep, and, one can turn the regulator screw to get it to be very accurate, at least in my experience. Same with any of my watches with the SW 200, and other Sellita movements that I have. But, again I love the traditional look of this Tissot, and think they could sell more of them to watch nuts if they pushed the fact of keeping a traditional movement. Yeah, l get it, new improved technology blah blah blah. But, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
would look wonderful at 36 or 36, with a band at 20. That 40mm is dive watch size, let's face it.
What (non-vintage) watches do you know of in the 36 to 38mm size with similar "everyday" style, features (date, sapphire) and a bracelet?
@@Mister_Phafanapolis 36mm Datejust, but wait, the 41 is more popular.
@@pakee2352 Sure, Rolex DateJusts exist. But a $10,000 watch isn't substitutable or comparable to the $500 watch in this video.
Is the back glass mineral or sapphire?
not sure off the top of my head but it is a pretty common SWATCH Group practice to have the display back be mineral, considering there's really nothing to scratch it apart from over casual storage pratices
@@AverageBros thank you
It still cost $1100 in Australia.
Hahaha! it is 770 euros in europe.
In Sweden it cost $ 1200
The white dial version is the best version of the 3. Shame that all the reviews are of the black and blue.
Got this with silver dial
I would sacrifice the 80 hour power reserve for the smoother second hand. I use watch winders so I never need super long power reserves
I'd take the double power reserve any day
Joma shop has the Green dial on sale for 550 for Presidents’ Day right now, you would recommend??
that sounds like a great deal to me
@@AverageBros It was the last Green dial so I already ordered it can’t wait to see it in the sunlight. Thanks for the review
I can't make up my mind, gentleman or seastar full black
I don’t know why.......but I cringe when I hear no screw down crown. I’m sure that’s a ridiculous thing to worry about as it still retains the 100M water resistant when u simply push it in. Probably one of those tiny irrational things I shouldn’t worry about. Looks like a high quality watch for a good price either way.
In what colors is this watch available ?
White black blue, steel and gold bezel as well as sector dial variants.
What I would like to know from this review is: if you were to only have one everyday watch, would you buy the Tissot Gentleman Powermatic 80 or spend the extra $500 for the Formex Essence? I'm looking for my first everyday watch that is more dressy than sporty (unlike my divers.) Thanks.
For me, the Essence is worth the extra money in regards to a 'one watch.' I will add that the option of this Tissot Gent PM80 S, plus another $500 piece would also be pretty compelling as well.
@@AverageBros Thank you for the reply, I appreciate it. Watching your review now :-)
Tissot...
It would be much better with ETA 2892, because the service of Powermatic 80 is difficult!
Love the watch. Will it fit a larger wrist like 7 1/2 to 7 3/4???
Yeah, should accommodate fine, thanks
I’d really appreciate if you could answer a question for me, I’m strongly considering this watch but would like one I can wear when I go swimming. I understand 100M water resistance isn’t always how it sounds but am I safe taking this watch in the pool? Thank you!
I think you'd be fine for a splash but me personally, I avoid submersion for anything w/o a screw down crown, apart from a few 150m WR models that are marketed specifically for their water resistance.
dont buy it. the movement has plastic parts, if it fails you will have to pay for a whole new movement. and if you want to swim with a watch, buy a diving watch.
@@cmiguel268 The silicium versions don't have plastic parts, only the non-silicium. How can you see if a Powermatic 80 has plastic parts? Look at the number of jewels. If there are 25, you have a full metal watch. This is the case with the 80.811. BTW, an Omega Speedmaster Professional Moonwatch also has "plastic parts" in the movement. Technical plastic is an extremely tough material, in special cases better than metal. The watch is also fully serviceable by an authorized service station. Maybe you mistake the movement for a Swissmatic. These can't be serviced.
Vs Elplorer 39mm
To be honest what else we need from a mechanical watch other than show off? this watch tick all the boxes.
Great sarb homage :)
Lol that’s funny. What do you mean by “homage”? It copies the sarb? The indices are different, the case size is different, the hand set is different.. maybe those two have the date and dial colour similar lol. Sort of datejust, OP style to me but not “homage” as that’s basically the basic style of watches that’s ubiquitous..
It's a Seiko with a good bracelet
fair way to put it
The Powermatic 80 Silicium movement is way better.
Do you think this watch could look nice on a leather strap?
Oh yeah, for sure would also look good on a strap
I'm not convinced that these powermatic movements are easily serviceable. At least by independent watchmakers.
servicing should be fine, regulating will take some extra effort though
@@AverageBros I think you are right. It looks like regulation requires adjusting 2 weights opposite to each other on the balance wheel. A delicate operation to be sure.
Mark, I'm surprised you didn't get the blue dial. You blue watch junky. lol.
Hey man, SARB at $370.00 or GP80S at 570.00? Why?
I wish they had 20atm WR
more WR is always nice, for me I think 150m would've been the sweet spot (for this type of watch) or even just 100m with a screw-down crown.
One important request can the reviewer wears the watch in his left wrist instead because it gives a less distorted view and perception of how it looks in the actual world.
That's Si- lee -cee- um. Not Silicom.
That thing looks like rolex explorer? 🤔
Kinda. More like a DateJust or Oyster Perpetual than an Explorer or Air King. But also in the way that _ALL_ watches kinda look a like in many ways.
case shape is weird/not stylish for my taste. I can not pin point what exactly makes that I dislike the case shape
Pronounce silicon like "silicahn" not silicone. An easy way to remember it is: silicone is for breasts, silicon is for watches.
have anybody bought a tissot from a grey market?
This beats any Seiko in its price range. Seiko have gone downhill the past few years.
Poor mans Aqua Terra