The secret ending makes the most sense. Considering the only way to get it is to have a narritivley fulfilling arch with johnny and its pretty open ended
This ending is fun and badass and all, but it doesn't make sense in terms of power levels. One can buy that V is one of the best mercs in the world, but to just walk into Arasaka HQ and start blasting is a bit of a stretch.
@@chadwicktenderstem2646 Do you think Adam Smasher can just walk into Arasaka HQ and start blasting? And let's say he made preparation so that Arasaka would not have control over his cyberware.
@@chadwicktenderstem2646 to be fair he had the help of Alt and that's a really big power up, in terms of making it more "realistic" we can say that he had a stealth build and he managed to sneak in and let Alt handle the rest.
Hopefully it’s the Don’t Fear The Reaper ending. V does the impossible but they can’t be saved, then they disappear as a legend of Night City. In the next projects V is somewhat of a urban legend that some people idolize and other don’t even believe existed.
Let's not forget that literally nobody except for some braindead punks, old retards and street trash remembers the very one sorry ass of a loser terrorist, who shined much more brightly than our main character/ Why do you think that V won't be forgotten through the time, same as that very peculiar degenerate?
@@GamfluentIn the dlc phantom liberty, you can get the cure (and it works) by betraying So Mi. You learn later that it was Mr. Blue eyes behind it all. And he is the one whi can save (but does he?) So Mi, who has been beyond the great wall. Blue eyes is an AI from beyond the blackwall. So, that being said, I like to think that V didnt beteay So Mi, saved her, sacrificing his chance to get a cure...but has a chance to get it with the special ending, going on the moon to get it...
I think 3 of the 4 endings are fairly hopeful about V's ending, its only really the devil thats not. Its very likely he can cure himself in the star and sun too, but i dont think he'll be the new main character regardless. there'll probably be a few vague mentions to them and what may or may not have happened to them, but thats it. That way they can respect player choice while also not really having to deal with a canon ending.
Ending with Panam had the most emotion to it and felt like narratively the best way to end V’s story as he leaves night city with panam as opposed to when he entered it with Jackie, but Don’t Fear The Reaper was so badass😭
I think Fear the Reaper + Sending So Mi to the moon will be the canon ending. It allows pretty much the entire supporting cast to potentially return for the sequel (since none of them have to die during the Arasaka assault), and V is still V, and working to find a cure, while also still being rooted in Night City. So it's the least disruptive to the overall cast of character/story structure, of all the endings.
Panam and judy wont return because they've both left night city. It gives an unfair advantage to those who chose to romance Kerry or River, so i doubt they'll go down that route. I reckon either a whole new character or a whole new city entirely. We've already explored night city, it doesnt make sense for them to give us the same map.
@@Tonius126 because the majority of people don't want a depressing ending to a 20-30 hour story, where everything and everyone ends up dead or depressed, or whatever. and when you make EVERY ending a shit/depressing ending, yeah it makes it kind of annoying for people who would like for at least SOME positive outcome. But that has nothing to do with why I said I think Fear the Reaper and SoMi on the Moon is likely the canon ending. I explained it pretty well, but apparently you still didn't get it.
The thing about the mr. blue eyes seems like something will happen with rogue ai's and him in the sequel. Maybe the game will start about rogue AI outbreak on the station. Only one way to find out. The thing is he happens to be in 2 endings : Somi when going to the moon, and V becoming afterlife legend
@@happyninja42 No positive outcomes in Cyberpunk, it's a Pyrrhic victory or defeat. But even that said, I don't view "The Sun" ending as positive. It's made very clear that the mission to The Crystal Palace has nothing to do with curing V. Even the messages between V and Mr. Blueeyes mention nothing of a cure. On the way to the heist V comments that he took this job because he's basically already dead to which Mr. Blueeyes responds with "Well that's pretty grim". To me the most positive ending is leaving with The Nomads. V still has only six months to live but get's to spend them with the people who love them.
I think no matter what I'm a huge believer in sending Songbird to the moon and the sun ending. Both V and Song are two sides of the same coin two people who get screwed over and are now dying for it. Both of them are doing what they can to survive, and I think V would be empathetic enough to look through the lying of Song and send her to the moon. Also the moon and sun are a way to represent two sides of the same coin as well. Also Mr. Blue Eyes is in both endings and I feel like he might be a way for CDPR to point "hey this is canon." Because of how elusive he is.
Don’t Fear The Reaper ending is canon. 100%. Edgerunners cemented the main theme that CDPR was toying with on the vanilla CP2077. It's all about leaving a legacy, about taking down the corporations, about the friends who help you along the way, the connections you make, and the people who will remember you when you're long gone.
@@Tonius126dlc can end 2 ways though, then same arguments apply to player choice and all that. I personally feel they added the cure ending because of how many people want V to live.
@@Tonius126nah man, the ending makes V a normal dude, no cyberware. it's great that he lives and can maybe become a fixer but he'll never be able to be a player character again without walking back the consequences of getting his life
@@TarsilyWasTaken I think they mean that people kept asking for an ending where V lives and they got it in the most Cyberpunk way possible. "V lives but now he has no life". Be careful what you wish for y'all, you just might get it. It kind of reminds me of something Cassidy say's to you during the "Gun Music" side biz. "You never know when your bad luck sparred you from worse luck"
I still think the Star Ending has the potential to continue Vs story specifically in relation to him finding a cure. The Aldecaldos have close ties with Stormtech and they specialize in biotech and nanotech as well as viruses. They happened to have an office in the Crystal Palace, so I think it's possible that V could be roped into that life again for the sake of survival.
After discovering Neuromancer and the strong influences it has on the Cyberpunk genre, I would consider the Phantom Liberty ending to be a good candidate for a canon ending. Neuromancer has a character who can no longer netrun because his nervous system is completely screwed. Similar to V no longer being able to have cyberware. And yet he manages to find a way to continue netrunning and interacts with super AI. V could also find another way and it doesn't have to be the end. I would also prefer if the next Cyberpunk game took place in 2020. Or the 4th Corporate War.
Sort of agree with you there. And if like a huge if, if they are going to use V as the main character again. It would be a great way to explain starting off at square one with absolutely nothing and no skill.
I kinda wish we got to do the Crystal Palace heist mission where while possible to stealth it you could also go guns a blazing. That said V’s Crystal Palace heist would make a great starting mission for Orion, or at the very least a mention that somebody got onboard and pulled data. One last note/idea. In three of the endings V’s consciousness is made into an engram. What if THAT engram is featured in Orion?
Something to remember about Alt and the Blackwall... she helped create it. NetWatch worked with her, a rogue AI, to make another AI. It is one of the reasons she can pierce the Blackwall so easily. She has a literal backdoor wrote into it.
My guess is exactly the same as yours. The Star ending is the most sattisfying and also my favorite, but the sun ending and sending So Mi to the moon, not siding with NUSA is the most canon and make more sense in my opinion. You naild it!
My guess? The new ending where V winds up with 0 Chrome and Militech wnds up turning Night City into a Dredd-esque militarized fortress would be canon. V was told they could become anything else such as a Fixer, there's history of folks with very little cyberware becoming legends, and the Militech takeover ahead of both the 5th Corporate War + AI Invasion is fertile ground for a new title. Just set it 5-10 years after 2077, build out all the unused areas (there's basically the base game+Dogtown's worh of areas that were ultiamtely unused) and expand NIghty City outward. They already said a lot changed in 2 years during V's coma. Imagine 10.
I think the Official artwork that CDPR posted has "Cyberpunk 2077 Orion" on it so I think it takes place in 2077. And the Dark Blue tint of the Cyberpunk logo makes me think we will be dealing with the fallout of all the beneath the surface stuff we've seen Nightcorp get up to.
Just completed this amazing game the other day. The ending with my V and Panam as a couple riding off into the sunset with their family has so much hope for the future written into it! With Misty‘s tarot card reading, Panam’s contacts to help V, and all the other signs pointing towards them being able to find a cure for V is awesome! I imagine them getting married, having kids! Such a beautiful ending. I hope we get to continue their story together. In my mind, they found the cure for V and they went off and lived a happy life in love, and with all their loved ones. Johnny being reunited with Alt is a fitting send off for him too. I just love these characters so much! I hope for a bright future, and to see them again! Hope to find my Panam someday!!!
If something would be canon then it would be most likely So Mi moon and V Sun ending. But people need to relax a bit with the whole Mr. Blue Eyes straight out villain theory. Even if his associated with Night Corp they are the corporation that is lore wise known as the ones that protect NC and want companies like Arasaka and Militech out. So the power can return to its citizens. That alone would be enough for somebody like Mr. Blue Eyes to want Songbird on his site so he can screw up Myers once and for all. And for whoever has read “No coincidence” SPOILER……….Militech is way closer to their own Soulkiller then we actually know. So whatever Night Corp is working on might just be the response to Arasaka and Militech if they decide to escalate things again with another corpo war.
Well, the game is out for 3 years, people climb their ceilings trying to figure out what is coming up next, me included lmao Especially after he appears in So Mi's quest. Currently working on a big video trying to put all Mr Blue Eyes conspiracies together and I genuinely get occasional headaches from all the stuff that can be associated with him, so it's really an interesting topic to research, but important to keep your distance and not become another Gary the Prophet in the process.
I think the villain arc has a lot to do with the "Dream On" side job with the weird surveillance of the Peralez couple. However i get major G-Man vibes from Mr. Blue Eyes and do not think he may be ultimately the bad guy aswell.
@@whitemanex The main thing that sticks out to me about Mr Blue Eyes is that has an organized plan, and within his dialog doesn't give off the hint of villainous intentions... in fact to me it feels quite the opposite. [He cures So Mi, if we take that route and is offering something similar to V. if we help him strike at Araska.]
@@HansWurst-gm2rxThing with the Peralez couple is that they were both two underprivileged kids that worked the way up and actually wanna do good to the city. Maybe even too good. They don’t accept corporate help, wanna support the citizens, even tax more so they can solve out homelessness. So even if an AI controls them on the side whatever we see as an outcome if Jefferson becomes Mayor doesn’t defer much from his actual intentions or personality. It’s also interesting that if Night Corp has already the ability to control people to that extent why they wouldn’t just go and brainwash the ex mayor or Holt instead but would choose someone as the Peralez couple. There are different types or Rogue AIs and not all of them are like the ones we see in that cynosure bunker. The ones that originate from the blackwall and the ones like Alt who are a hybrid between human and AI. The difference tho is that Alt was already an engram whilst the Peralazes or Songbird are still humans. Everything is all so very interesting regardless and I’m curious to see were this will go.
But why would they then proceed and kidnap Gary the Prophet who was constantly speaking the truth through his Alpha Centaury theories, and how "they" (Rogue Ai) will overtake the citizens? Mr Blue Eyes clearly seems like being taken over bei Rogue Ai. Yes he might take care of NC, but not in a way you as a citizen would benefit or enjoy it. He and Night Corp are onto something - NC is fucked up, the whole Cyberpunk lore is filled with fucked uo individuals doing some crazy shit (like Bartmoss, just to name one) and while Mr Blue Eyes might think what he is doing is 'good' it doesn't mean that you will benefit from it. Alot of crazy guys and terrorists used to have the same mindset, before doing unspeakable, disgusting things to mankind.
V living chromeless is the safest for V "when" the Blackwall AIs take over. Anyone with chrome will be at war with their own bodies and "the chromeless" will have the fight of their lives as "the chromed" turn into AI controlled puppets but that will be a wierd route to go for the sequel and would make an interesting Spin Off
Regarding the nomad ending, you're assuming we would play as the same character for the sequel. It could still be cannon and we easily play as someone else, most rpg's do that.
Im thinking they're gonna pull the same trick from Witcher 3. You'll be asked questions in an interview or Interrogation and fill in the blanks as to what you want to be canon
i truly feel like night city is used best as an anthology type thing. personally i think vs cannon ending should be the panam ending with him leaving night city. if the followup follows v then cool we get to see a mad max style game that i think would be really good. if it doesnt follow v then the legend of v, jackie, the heist, v having johnny in his head i think should all be known to the public by whenever it is. ik im having major oversight especially since i havent finished phantom liberty yet but even how many you tie up theres 3 times as many loose ends that another character could close
In defense of the nusa ending: if you have a good relationship with johnny by this point you actually get some really good dialogue with him accepting your decision, pondsmith has also said “Cyberpunk is not about saving the world, it’s about saving yourself.” Which this ending sums up perfectly. V’s always just been trying to survive but now gets a chance to actually enjoy life as a normal person he never would have been otherwise
A counter point to the star ending being unlikely to be canonized. While V leaves Night City with the nomads, V's doing it specifically to still find a way to save them self. Panam tells you that she has connections that could possibly help you. So, a potential sequel could simply establish that those connections worked out and V was cured. Or we could just have a new main character but go off of the events of that ending.
I'll probably be the only one here, but I love the devil ending. I mean, of course it won't be considered the canon one (even if it's the only one always achievable), but I love how sad and oppressing it feels. You actually feel like shit, cause everything and everyone warned you, but you still made a pact with the devil, and now you are paying the consequences. It may be depressing, but its writing is so damn good.
Or they can just make all endings "canon" depending on your new character backstory. Like Engram V that was actually transferred to new body with most of memories locked, and maybe working with Takemura now. Other backstories will be based around outcomes of other endings
@@Zenitchik_130 it would be amazing, yet too difficult for the developers to apply this. Anyway, they already made clearly V's story is to be considered as closed. We'll probably never see V and johnny again, saddly.
@@alessandrogarofalo9951 I mean, yeah, but I still guess just as a backstory to be picked in a start of a game, it could be quite cool, after all not much changed in a world after V, Arasaka is still has biggest gun, Night City is a trashcan and all that. They made backstory kinda working in 2077 (dialogues, ect.) hopefully they would do the same in a next game.
@@Zenitchik_130 Well, not exactly. Depending on the chosen ending, Arasaka can leave night city because of V's attack. Furthermore, if V's chooses Phantom Liberty ending, Militech controls NC. At the contrary, if devil ending is chosen, Arasaka becomes even stronger, with an immortal Saburo as its leader. There a lot of consequences to V's actions, it's literally the most influencial person in NC in 2077 😅
What will be the live action adaptation? A series or a single movie? I don't really think they will show us V's story. The setting will be Night City but with different characters.
I don;t think the ending is going to matter much. Given the route Phantom Liberty went, I am more convinced that Orion is going to be focused on the main AI that broke through the blackwall and that is up to all kinds of 'no good' on the moon. If you haven't done a lot of side quests, the basic overview is that an AI from behind the blackwall escaped, (possibly the one that absorbed Alt) and has been "acquiring" humans, along with using tech to influence and even overwrite human memories and thoughts. Those affected are represented with blue eyes, and we have lots of hints throughout the game about this AI, such as the "aliens" and "vampires", and especially the Peralez gig, in some situations, you can even encounter homeless people with blue eyes that appear to be watching, and if you scan them it comes up a "suspicious person". Phantom Liberty expands upon this a lot, with SongBird being nearly fully taken over by this AI, one that wants her to get to the moon. Also, in Edge-Runners, Lucy is oddly compelled to go to the moon, and they make a point to let us know the moon is not a place ANYONE would want to visit for a vacation. My theory is that the AI is using tech similar to the Relic to upload itself into human brains. It is an awesome concept, instead of humans trying to escape to cyberspace, we have an AI trying to escape cyberspace into human bodies. Anyways, I think Orion will be a different character. Throughout the game we will hear rumors about "V" and rumors as to what happened, but rumors are always a wee bit of truth and a TON of BS. Remember, V is a loner, and we can see from the "Reed" ending that he doesn't have many real friends, and only after 2 years most people have abandoned him. I think the best example as to how Orion might play out is how they refer to Edge-Runners and David in the game, such as the gig "Over the Edge" where you get Davids yellow jacket. Even though David was famous and a legend, he is also obscure, no one seems to really know what happened to him, even after we talk with Falco, we get no more info. I think V is going to go the same path, and we will have a totally new character that ends up going after the AI on the moon.
@@LyykNevaDies You mean an AI that assimilated what was left of Bartmoss, cuz he is very much dead, soup in a netrunner icebox near deshawns body by that giant trash pile. :) It could be possible Arasaka found him and soulkilled him, but just like ALT, he would get absorbed into an AI. Hmmm, you know, I wonder if "eating" engrams, like ALT caused the AI to take not of the regular world, and even to desire to experience it, and perhaps take it over. All speculation though
They will probably write the sequels in such a way that there is the lore connection, and references to the events in night city, but exact events are 'fuzzy' and which ending or quests you did is not decisive. Another much cooler option would be a save import that lets you have different lore based on YOUR V's historical actions even though the impacts are not that game changing for the new characters story line. Amp up the personal history effects and make the save import for what V did about as important as 2077's backgrounds ended up being. If there's no save imported generate a fully random play through of 2077 decisions to reference. New content every game = more replayability. (Yes that would be a LOT of work to write and setup and make it fit in smoothly but it would be SO awesome for the players)
I've always thought the Don't Fear The Reaper ending made the most sense. It sets V up as a legend and leaves his fate unknown. The only other ending that I think is likely is V leaving Night City with the Aldacaldos. Both endings allow V's fate to be semi-unknown but still leave him as a legend like Silverhand and David. But the sun seems most likely because Mr.Blue eyes is definitely an extremely important character.
I think streetkid female V with Judy romance, saving songbird and telling the government to fuck off with the don't fear the reaper and giving up the body to Johnny is the best story and best ending in the game
There’s only 2 real possible endings either storming arasaka tower alone with Johnny and then V keeps the body leading to the Sun ending or taking Reeds offer and getting the cure and starting Cyberpunk Orion off with the 5th corporate war and blackwall AIs taking over peoples bodies and who best to fight them than someone with no implants
The canon in my head is KIng of Cups + The Star if you romanced Judy or Panam, OR The Sun + giving back the body to V to see a really beautiful Johnny Silverhand closure.
King of Wands and The Sun (With Dont Fear the Reaper and Paths of Glory) - dont even try to change my mind xD FYI: I commented this before watching the conclusion of the video!
You didn't get anything. This Songbird girl controls this Mr. Blue Eyes character, this was a spectacle she meticulously planned from start to finish and you all bought into her bullshit. Hahaha! And none of you realised that. I can't believe you people...
Doesn’t really matter which ending is canon it’s up for interpretation and that’s what makes this series great it can focus on a completely new cast and crew and the fans will love them this series isn’t tied to one character it’s tied to everyone.
I need an ending where I get to be V and keep Johnny, then Canonize Skippy staying with V. I don't know why, but I really enjoy having both in during the journey.
My favorite ending is the Johnny/Rogue ending in which they storm arasaka tower. Seems like the best ending to Johnny’s story and his redemption by choosing to give V his/her body back.
@@rykingly Still felt like it was the best ending because she got her redemption too. Just hope that V did right by her son. Would be dope if rogue’s son became a part of V’s crew in the sequel
Commenting early, but Mass Effect 2/3 absolutely changed shit depending on choices made, though mostly relegated to available companions, minor differences and there was only a couple different choices anyhow. Nowhere near close to the varying choices in CP2077. However, with what game sizes are, CDPR's dev cycle, and their commitment to creating an in-depth engaging story, I'd say it's absolutely something they would try and possibly do.
Any ending that leaves with the assault on the crystal palace seems like the best choice for a canon ending. Especially if we will be playing as V in the sequel game
Thank you for making this, this isn’t talked about enough given how much they plan to explore this universe, the anime, Orion, the live action whatever with Anonymous Content. Unfortunately my heart believes V died, Johnny, his tale, Vs tale ends in 2077, but Rogue and Yorinobu, there’s no way they won’t have some sort of mention with how impactful their characters were to the story as a whole.
There is a way to make every 'good' ending canon and various pieces of this are hinted at in each ending: All 'good' roads lead to Blue Eyes; we just don't witness it as the player. - If V solos the Arasaka raid, then we get our most direct reference to Blue Eyes making an offer to solve V's problem... from this ending, you can kinda derive an 'epilogue' for each other ending. Blue Eyes recruited Songbird for being 'unusually talented'. Its a pretty safe bet Blue Eyes sees value in V. - If V raids with the Nomads, all Blue Eyes needs to do is reach out to them sometime after the credits roll. - If V opts for the surgery from the president... well... Songbird was recruited by Blue Eyes and not actually Reed. If V takes Reed's job offer, then this pretty much means V will work for Blue Eyes as well. - If V raids with Rogue, this is effectively the same thing. - If V chooses to go with Alt, Blue Eyes is *heavily* implied to be an AI. There are a ton of ways for their paths to cross. For all other endings, the game isn't exactly subtle about making it clear that the player wasn't supposed to pick those choices. This still isn't without its dark sides: Barring a few 'ambiguous situation' writing tricks, pretty much no romantic relationship made during this game can find its way into a sequel.
I think what is particularly interesting is how many times V came across one of Mr. Blue Eyes schemes/plans. IMHO I think you are on the money with your theory, So Mi makes it to the moon and The Sun Ending. We also don't know what happens to V. I saw a Cyberpunk 2077 that showed Mr. Blue Eyes, and a few others wearing the same ring on the same spot on their hand. It's not an accident. I believe Mr. Blue Eyes is an AI or someone working with the AIs from beyond the wall.
I love Don't Fear The Reaper... maybe because it's the ultimate power fantasy on par with knights slaying dragons from old legends or something but damn it feels the rightest out of all of the endings.
They tried so hard to convince everyone that the tower ending is the worst though realistically it is the best. Sure you will lose access to cyberware and most of your friends but at the end of the day V is 29 and healthy in this ending. Still plenty of time to build a future and leave a mark. Unsatisfying from a gameplay perspective? Sure but the best one from a more realistic standpoint.
On the contrary, in seems for me that CDPR have done everything to make The Tower best option possible: First of all - V's alive in their own body, no ticking bomb in their system. Second, they have a sweet-sweet job offer at hand. That kind of offer that only a complete degenerate would turn down. With this job they have every chance to allow themselves best medical treatment possible to cure their neural condition or they have a chance to turn to usage of pure bioware. Third, path to the Tower ending was the only one, where V's temporary allies from the FIA and NUSA government were the only ones who never deceived or betrayed them, and accomplished every single promise given. So it is most obvious and reasonable choice to stick to Sol, Rosalind and almighty FIA
V becoming the queen of the afterlife and becoming a legend in night city is also my cannon ending, except i prefer to send son mi's dead body to myers, i do agree that sending her to the moon does make alot more sense, i just want to grab the blackwall quickhacks lol
Thematically unplugging her in Cynosure was the best ending for the themes presented in the DLC, although sending her to the moon gave the best feels. Only people who liked to tell others to wear a mask during covid want to side with Myers LOL
I'm thinking they will make a prologue bigger and better than 2077 had. That would satisfy tons of people as nobody gets railroaded into "their" story. Not in a full way like mass effect, but just a nice nod to your own story. They can easily set it in 2087 and make a way to have all endings have unique flavors, but ultimately not change the big picture. People who want Johnny to have a second life doesn't make narrative sense as throughout the whole game V is always looking for a way to survive. I think the ending where V gets the FIA surgery is most likely as why would CDPR make a DLC 2yrs after launch with an entirely new ending to the game. Seems like they will go the way of slowly nursing V back into cyberware like a rehab type way instead of just leaving it as that.
I’d prefer for V to return as I’m really attached to his character, even though I know CDPR would make just as good a character for the sequel. What they could do is have it so that when Alt separated johnny and V she kept a engram of V (for safekeeping y’know?) in order to create a true influence in the real world if she ever needed to. So when the next game is probably focused on AIs from beyond the black wall, she uses V as kind of her proxy in the real world to create changes that suit her and don’t harm the engram “Ghost City” she’s created in the ruins of Hong Kong, things like that, then for the V in the endings, people still get their sad ending where V dies, but he technically comes back, and so for the game he really questions whether he is human, and there could even be a scene where v visits his own grave, mirroring the scene where you visit johnny’s grave in the oil fields. Regardless, I am very excited for the story of the next game.
so I was thinking about this and what if you get to choose like the lifepaths. If CD goes for V as a character in the next game you get to choose what your ending was and play different first ACT/chapter that all come to the same point. Obviously this would just be for V but the other bigger stuff for the world will have to be set in stone.
I'd like to point out that Alt and Blue Eyes are not the same (as far as we know), and outside of both being AI; they share little in common. Alt seemingly has no desire to attain a tangible body like she says other AI desire. She sees the net as the superior of the 2 realms and wishes to remain there. She also seemingly has no desire to use human proxies, there were several failed attempts to make contact with her before V. The only reason she even sought them out was curiosity, but her digital ears pricked right up at the thought of nomming on mikoshi. Makes me wonder the scale of power between CN-07(Blue Eyes, or the AI piloting them) vs Alt.
I'm pretty sure Alt is the ultimate and strongest rouge ai ever.. I mean she was the best netrunner who became an ai who could improve and rewrite herself, then with Mikoshi she assimilated like hundreds or thousands of netruners and important people.. So at this point her knowledge, experience and adaptability is like infinite
@@marco002 Yup, at this point the AI using Alt's engram (because it flat out says on multiple occasions when asked that it is NOT Alt Cunningham) is likely an AGI.It's an infintely growing and adaptable entity in the net. Of course it wouldn't wanto be limited by the harsh limitations of the physical world.
@@RicochetForce I would say it is Alt and not at the same time.. It is not teh original Alt as she became an ai and she modified her own code + after mikoshi she assimilated a tons of other personalities
@@marco002 she is actually not the strongest. Not sure exactly how Rogue AI scale to one another in power. She may be after Mikoshi but beforehand she's probably just a step down from the Transcendentals in raw power. Though I find it important to point out who I'm calling "Alt" I'm referring to the AI masquerading as her. The AI itself states it isn't Alt, that soulkiller doesn't transfer a psyche it just kills it and creates an approximation of the dead person's psyche as a digital engram, and even then that this new "Alt" only uses their engrammatic data, so even if the original consciousness was Alt, the amount of AI's and Ghosts she's absorbed has irreversibly altered the entity to not be anything close to the original engram.
@@marco002 Eh, there's not enough in the game to call what we meet in the game Alt Cunningham. It flat out says it's not Alt, when we see Alt in Johnny's (admittedly unreliable "memories") we see the real person is nothing like this AI. And pulling back into the wider CDPR universe, we know Spider-Murphy split Alt's engram up. I think what likely happened is one of her Engrams fled past the Blackwall and wound up being consumed by a terrifying AI whose only desire is to feed and grow. It is by far the most power hungry thing in the setting at this time. If it appeared to us as anything other than Alt Cunningham we would immediately react defensively at this Lovecraftian digital entity.
That or most likely cdpr will just do as they did with the witcher. They will get V in à 5 or 6 hours prologue no matter your ending and then explain how you get here. Its really easy and possible to do with all of them. I mean if you have a nomade ending you vould be brought back to nc because of à war and nc being the only city near you "safe". If you have the sun ending V could just be brought back to nc to capitalise on his legend status or fight against corpo like johny asked him . And so on and so on.
In order to create a sequel with V is only possible if we start from scratch in terms of abilities and cyberware. That can be achieved if V ends up unable to wear cyberware and loses most of their contacts, as the base game also lets you customize relationships, characters can die (Saul, Rogue, Songbird, Alex, Reed), or it is possible you never actually meet them if don't do side missions (River & Kerry), although this can be remedied that V completed those missions off-screen. - The Tower Ending: the ending of Phantom Liberty is a perfect setup for a sequel. V is a retired merc doing.... whatever, than someone approaches them with an offer: we will fix your cyberware problem (or work around it somehow) and in return V has to do some stuff which will ultimately lead to some other mess. :) - The Sun Ending: possibly canon. V becomes a legend and with the tremendous amount of money, and she can afford the treatment, with the same result as in the Tower Ending. - The Star Ending: possibly canon. V and the Aldecaldos will find a way to do the treatment, with the same result as in the Tower Ending. - The Devil Ending - return to Night City: possible. V gets rid of Johnny but still dying. Tower scenario is still possible. - The Devil Ending - Mikoshi: non-canon. V ends up in Mikoshi while their body is most likely destroyed. Nah. - Temperance Ending: non-canon. V becomes an AI while Johnny runs away with the body? Nah, Johnny's story is concluded in the base game, a return is unlikely at all, let alone with V gone beyond the Blackwall. - Suicide Ending: non-canon (obviously)
The sun ending. Prob will be about rogue Ai truly taking over such as little bird or mr blue eyes or even black hand or even Alt cunningham. They’d prob use V or Johnny to help advance their agenda and it’ll be too late before the main character catches on. That’s really the only ending I can see it keep going
Personally there are 2 canon ending for me don't fear the reaper (makes sense). The new one because it leaves v in a morgan blavk hand situation no combat cyberware with the ai battle with humans seems to be coming. Plus v would be in a better situation that most people
The life paths can actually matter in the next cyberpunk game like in that showcase from one of the demos…you can go off what you started as and then have your current path be whatever ending you wanna pick…. Then your character could have some actual character other than the merc who wants to be a legend…. The only problem would be not having the option to start your journey as Johnny in the game
Sun or secret ending make the most sense generally in all of them but devil Arasaka's fate is the same and Yorinobu succeeds in at keast weakening the company severely
The sun is the canon ending, because it’s the only ending with a cliffhanger and when there’s a cliffhanger that means there’s a sequel coming up which is cyberpunk Orion
I'm guessing that they're going to do what Dragon Age did. Start with a new protagonist and plotline and have mentions of V here and there, including mentions on the ending you did in 2077.
Every ending (except suicide) can lead to the same starting point for the new game. V ends up as a construct with Alt or Arasaka? No problem - they can get a new body in the future. It’s not impossible because Saburo got one. Every other ending essentially results in V having 6 months to find a cure. Maybe it will be like in the Tower ending - V is cured but loses all cyberware. So it all comes to a clean character with a new body or V’s body but without cyberware which is very convenient for a new game.
i dont think they'll go down this route, but i 100% agree. Them scanning your save file wouldnt actually be as difficult as some think, and the same could be said of the 4 main companions if we're given a new city to explore. Panam and Judy leave anyway, Kerry is a rockstar and can easily tour, and River is a PI now and can do that in any city he wants.
You know what? I think Devil Ending as canon is the most intriguing & has more potentials imo since it really leave you the menacing future sequel that the bad guy won & you have to try again. There are two ways to go about the sequel imo, V return or new protag. Honestly, I think CDPR will choose a new protag since the best way to go about it with to make V conclusion to be more open ended. From this scenario alone, we can safely assume Star, Sun, Temperance can be integrated as pseudo background conclusion canons more easily for sequel, especially for other characters. Now we have main Devil & Tower Endings. The biggest consequences of both endings are how the major parties will directly claim & change the dominating power over Night city, between Arasaka (Devil) or NUSA & Militech (Tower). imo, Arasaka taking over Night City has a much more balance proposition since Night City still able to keep its independency (on the front) while the eventual 5th corporate war can still happen. This will still leave an open ended scenario for Rogue AI plotlines & the big conspiracy to Nightcorp. As for your Mikoshi arguments, the existence of perfected Relic & how Mikoshi still exist as some kind of eternal prison for any constructs is so much more cyberpunk dystopian imo. It will actually give balance for the Rogue AI war & newer plotlines that will still directly involve Alt Cunningham AI & Mr Blue Eyes imo. Also, the biggest reason to me personally is a major figure Saburo Arasaka's immortality. From story POVs, you don't want to removed the big boss just like that in your first game! especially when major wars are practically in your doorstep. From this ending, now we can be sure to have at least 2 major characters being immortals, Alt Cunningham & Saburo Arasaka. Since Mikoshi exists, there could be many possible potentials of other characters to get revived somehow. Hell, I would say Arasaka resurrecting Adam Smasher once again like some kind of undying Nemesis is quite terrifying (& great) imo. I would even also argue that Corpo V IS the canon lifepath imo since it can both includes streetkid & corpo life background with streetkid V & Jackie were best friends. It add layers to the characterizations. Also, in the conclusion for V in Devil ending, both V who became engram & V that choose to be "free" still can have an open ended story & potentials imo. For example, what if V really do have "offsprings" with the chosen romance partners or some other unknown person (aside from gay romance for obvious reasons)? it will give story options for controversial V's comeback. This can also applied to V that choose to be free as V could take revenge to Arasaka & will do their damnest, just like Johnny Silverhand.
I can see two ending being canon, DFTR and Nomad ending ( since the nomads may know the technomancers and they may be able to save V). The danget with DFTR is although Mr Blue Eyes can save V, the prophet said he and his AI s buddies were out to mind control humanity. Will he really just help a powerful being like V without puting some control system in it?
The Aldecaldos also know StormTech in the cyberpunk lore, they are a corporation that specialises in nanotechnology (which is what the NUSA cured V with) and they also have an office up in the Crystal Palace (which is where Mr Blue Eyes sends you in the blaze of glory ending, coincidence?). Panam said she has contacts who worked miracles on people, perhaps StormTech is one of them?
If CDPR intends to make the AI invasion the focus of the sequel, then an unchromed V working in the FIA in the Tower ending (and that one ripperdoc) are in a prime position to retaliate.
Something off topic but I hope in the next game we still get all if not some of samurais songs on a radio station. Samurai is such a big thing. Unless they really want to stretch into something different but maaan they are all amazing songs.
In my opinion we need one more game with V to become the ultimate legend. That being said I would like to think the cannon endings are 1) songbird is sent to the moon which means killing Reid 😪, 2) V is doing the diamond palace heist ( think that’s what’s the space station is called ) side notes would like Jonny to comeback somehow idc how but needs to come back
Depends on what you wanted in the beginning Long quiet nobody life A glorious end where you are remembered There is no in-between everything is bitter sweet
In the beginning, If I was in V's shoes, I'd rejected Dex's offer first hand, because it is the only reasonable thing to do - this gig was screaming big trouble from the very start: too good to be true first of all.
I kinda wish we got an extended or an ending for the base game, where after killing Smasher (fulfilling our promise to Johnny) and getting Alt to Mikoshi destroying Arasaka, V decided to look for another way which is the cure we'll get from FIA (If we helped Reed captured Songbird). Alt couldn't cure V and after separating Johnny from him, he could only live for six months or more due to the effects of the Relic. I'm not sure if Alt could somehow help V with the neutral matrix or maybe only FIA could help him with that. I guess it's too much of a happy ending and if they went that way.
As much as I love the Star ending where V leaves with Panam, I think the Don’t Fear The Reaper ending would be far better for a sequel. It’s very open ended and it wouldn’t be that hard to write V into a sequel, they could say he even found something in the space base that extended his life but didn’t cure him. Then again, I kind of feel like they’ll go with the DLC ending bc it would make the whole process of going back to square one (at least in terms of player level) more believable … I just hate how depressing it was. Regardless, I do hope we get to play as V again
"There was a big merc a couple of years ago. V was their name? They had their 15 minutes and disappeared completely at one point. Nobody knows what they're up to now or if they are even alive at this point." - Probably something like this but written in a better way.
Here's how it can work. You choose corpo life path, and the story starts with you having chose the devil ending. You choose nomad life path and the story starts with you having chose the star ending. You choose Street Kid and it starts with you having chose the Sun Ending. Maybe if you had PL you can choose a Fixer ending to follow up the BOOYAH ending (if you know you know).
I actually really like the temperance ending. Johnny keeping Vs body but this would eventually come to weigh heavily on his conscience. He would maybe explore the possibilities of Biotechnica creating a cloned body for Vs engram which is still very much in the possession of Alt. Then maybe you would have to dance more with Arasaka and bring them to make another relic to upload Vs engram onto and then finally insert it into the clone. We already know Arasaka has the means to overwrite a mind with another due to the devil ending where Saburo takes Yorinobus body for himself, being effectively reborn from an engram. Sure you would need to build in a lot more nuance, but I ain't no writer :P I just don't like the endings where it simply comes down to you still dying no matter what or being a shadow of your former self in the tower ending.
the clone solution is not possible since V body's DNA is overwritten by Johnny's relic. This is why "offspring" solution is the logical path for the next storyline, in which can have many options & conundrums. For example, what if V do have a child & that child can potentially be the "vessel" for V construct coming back?? Given the options forcefully or not, will V choose it & what would be the repercussions that would entails such choice.
it could be that if orion plays longer in the future that it will be a mystery what was the best ending so people in night city will discuss if V went in Arasaka tower alone, with the nomads or with rouge and after that V just dispears (so it could be that he left with the nomads or gave the body to johnny and he left) but yea i also think that the ending with blue eyes is 100% setting up orion
Honestly I just think V will be only sort of hinted at. Because the common denominators are. That V winds up only a memory. Whether it's that V dies or leaves off grid. Arasoka turns tail either way. Alt will probably do what Alts gonna do regardless, same with Blue eyes. And everything that happens with the characters in the PL ending happens regardless. They don't just happen because you choose that ending. They happen and the only difference is that V is alive to have seen what becomes of them.
all the base game endings where V survives ( leaving arasaka facility, nomad and becoming a legend by going with rogue or the reaper ending ) is all plausible since there all open ended. unlike getting soul killed devil ending and giving your body to johnny ending where there is a conclusion. I still think V's cure lies somewhere with biotechnica and this gig could be offered to you by mr. blue eyes.
My head canon is Corpo V send so mi to the moon and soloing saka tower to follow the path of glory is a fitting ending for V, a true living legend of night city
The Tower ending gave me closure: V doesn't get soulkilled, "Alt" doesn't eat the engrams, Mr. BlueEyes/NightCorp doesn't get SoMi, Arasaka implodes and V gets the Relic out of her head and lives. A face in the crowd + "Don't let them change you, Valerie"
idk, Tower ending seems to be the ending for me if were talkin about getting in the feels like edge runner, got the last sentence from johnny on the tower ending is so heartbreaking yet fulfilling at the same time.
Personally, it's going to be the path to Glory ending. It's the only where Johnny grows and actively chooses to give his life up for V. It's also the one what V keeps his promise to Jackie. But also, you see the net positive impact you had on the world around you through the people you touched.
I know it will never happen but in a perfect world, the Sun or Reaper ending is canon, Songbird goes to the moon, and we get a casino heist DLC to close the loop on V’s story. If we got that, Orion can start fresh with a whole new main character and I would still be the happiest gonk in the world.
Personaly I believe that either The Sun (Nomad I believe correct me if I am wrong) and the Secret Ending is the canon ones. Though I haven't played Phantom Liberty's Ending Yet but im at the Point of No Return for that Expansion ending wise so I should have my own opinion on that ending soon but from what I heard online its depressing. (hoo boy cant wait to cry XD)
My speculation is this: V/Vincent/Valerie was already psycho before Johnny, they had a multiple personality disorder which is why in real lore they're actually BOTH Vincent and Valerie. The canon ending is the secret ending, just like everyone else thinks EXCEPT V went cyberpsycho and died. Either before the Smasher encounter or during it. Smasher either killed V or V got killed some other way, and Smasher survived but only shortly and got killed anyway. V got soulkilled as was Smasher, and Alt got into Mikoshi through other means. There are other shards with Johnny on them and Johnny gets "reborn" when inserted into a dead body out of desperation by a very old former friend/fan of Johnny. So these were things I am 90% sure of, now let's get into the wild speculations. There's a fine line between speculations and fanfic, so just to be clear. I am very confident in my previous paragraph. I am somewhat confident in the ending of the next paragraph. And the beginning of the next paragraph are just me doing my best guess as to what the writers will think will make for the best story: The new Johnny then retrieves everyone from Mikoshi including V, but they've been already partly consumed into the beyond-the-blackwall AI. It turns out the rogue AIs have been mr. blue eyes and other blue eyes NPCs the whole time, and new johnny (who is still the old, darker johnny he was before getting to know V) gets to speak to/interact with Alt and V and everyone through mr. blue eyes. Some time later, the rogue AIs, ie. Mr. Blue Eyes execute their plan. The new net is consumed by the old net, and a new catastrophe emerges. Now every country on earth experiences what the USA did before the previous crash, Japan being the only country that didn't split or lose any territory. A large percentage of humanity dies in the next decades and resembles a mad max world for a while. Then a new, new net appears thanks to Netwatch/Biotechnica and things are slowly returning to normal. Not just humanity, corporations suffer immensely. The only ones who did not suffer were the space colonies. There is a big reshuffling, while Arasaka still exists, it is even smaller. Remember that even in 2077, Arasaka is the 36th largest corporation (despite being a top 3 leader in technology, its revenue is nowhere near the giga-corpos of the world, which have lower tech but stupendously enormous markets in megacities), and NUSA is the 36th largest economy, yes the numbers are the same I think the authors did this on purpose. CP2077 is a world of hunger, inequality and extreme sci-fi high tech. Arasaka is Japan's largest corporation, but inside Japan it has many contenders. Japan has a much bigger economy than NUSA or all of americas. Despite that, in CP2077, the real big corpos are the Chinese and African corpos, with India coming in at 3rd place after a large gap. Then it's Europe and the New Soviet Union (which is really just SovOil corporation - the country) and only then comes Japan. The biggest corporations are the ones who took the biggest fall. Militech is gone and is just the New USA army again. Most of the other corporations are either gone or merged or withering, and the new mega- and giga-corporations are the (former) space corporations. In many ways, the new corporations are just as ruthless and stupid as the old ones, but the new corpos don't have the same gripes with each other as Arasaka and Militech did. Especially because they've learned to cooperate with each other more, because cooperation is crucial to space flight and colonies. Leading to a de-populated, technologically scarce, hot-climate destroyed world, but a much more peaceful one. One where there still is not much hope or opportunity. But opportunity exists for much more % of people. The life paths are no longer just corpo/gang/merc/nomad/homeless/scav. There are relatively normal people living a relatively normal life in tight-knit communities. They are not rare but they are not common at all. But everyone knows there is an alternative way to live which doesn't require you to do immoral things. Of course, these people are targeted by gangs and corpos, but because there are so much fewer people on earth, they can actually fend them off pretty well. Also, the space corpos never did mess with the gangs much. The gangs still exist but are much more independent/less tied with the corpos. It's not like they're enemies or friends, they just don't get into each other's space much. Corpo security is even more crazy now. They're just as brutal if not more, but there's also a much larger spectrum of gangs. Ranging from scavs 2.0 (this time with nukes) to basically friendly neighbourhood corporation with mafia-like past. There is less tech to go around and it's insanely expensive, but everyone has at least some access to it. There are much less public accommodations/spaces/whatever, but tech is often shared with family/friends. Mercs and netrunners are a rare breed. Fixers are almost non-existent in the world except for Night City. Mercs are looked down upon and ostracised, it's much harder to become a merc now so the few mercs there are, are notorious, live longer and are usually either rich or cyberpsycho. Peace is real on earth EXCEPT for of course, resource extraction conflict coming from space mining, which leads into a much more brutal and costly conflict than anything that preceded it on earth. This is why Cyberpunk Orion takes place both in new night city, as well as on Mars and on the space stations
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i think any ending which involves the Blue Eye Man will be canon ending. So sending So Mi to the moon and Don't fear the Reaper
The secret ending makes the most sense. Considering the only way to get it is to have a narritivley fulfilling arch with johnny and its pretty open ended
This ending is fun and badass and all, but it doesn't make sense in terms of power levels. One can buy that V is one of the best mercs in the world, but to just walk into Arasaka HQ and start blasting is a bit of a stretch.
@@chadwicktenderstem2646 Do you think Adam Smasher can just walk into Arasaka HQ and start blasting? And let's say he made preparation so that Arasaka would not have control over his cyberware.
@@chadwicktenderstem2646 to be fair he had the help of Alt and that's a really big power up, in terms of making it more "realistic" we can say that he had a stealth build and he managed to sneak in and let Alt handle the rest.
I like the idea that he went in solo personally though I hope they keep an air of mystery about it all.
nah
Hopefully it’s the Don’t Fear The Reaper ending.
V does the impossible but they can’t be saved, then they disappear as a legend of Night City.
In the next projects V is somewhat of a urban legend that some people idolize and other don’t even believe existed.
Let's not forget that literally nobody except for some braindead punks, old retards and street trash remembers the very one sorry ass of a loser terrorist, who shined much more brightly than our main character/ Why do you think that V won't be forgotten through the time, same as that very peculiar degenerate?
It's the least interesting and poorly written out of all of them. Plus 80% of players don't even know that ending.
@@Tonius126 i think its the most interesting. it started out as V and johnny, it should end as v and johnny.
@@GamfluentIn the dlc phantom liberty, you can get the cure (and it works) by betraying So Mi. You learn later that it was Mr. Blue eyes behind it all. And he is the one whi can save (but does he?) So Mi, who has been beyond the great wall. Blue eyes is an AI from beyond the blackwall.
So, that being said, I like to think that V didnt beteay So Mi, saved her, sacrificing his chance to get a cure...but has a chance to get it with the special ending, going on the moon to get it...
@@Tonius126 Pretty sure it's 80% of players who know the ending
as mike pondsmith once said. the maincharacter is night city. so an ending with V dead and a complete new main character is not unlikely.
Yet the next game supposedly takes place in Texas, or so I've heard
Even if the canon ending has v survive I’m sure we’re not gonna play as him again
@@Smuggers.where did you hear that from?
I think 3 of the 4 endings are fairly hopeful about V's ending, its only really the devil thats not. Its very likely he can cure himself in the star and sun too, but i dont think he'll be the new main character regardless. there'll probably be a few vague mentions to them and what may or may not have happened to them, but thats it. That way they can respect player choice while also not really having to deal with a canon ending.
Texas could be interesting, Chicago or Detroit would be better though
Ending with Panam had the most emotion to it and felt like narratively the best way to end V’s story as he leaves night city with panam as opposed to when he entered it with Jackie, but Don’t Fear The Reaper was so badass😭
I think Fear the Reaper + Sending So Mi to the moon will be the canon ending. It allows pretty much the entire supporting cast to potentially return for the sequel (since none of them have to die during the Arasaka assault), and V is still V, and working to find a cure, while also still being rooted in Night City. So it's the least disruptive to the overall cast of character/story structure, of all the endings.
Panam and judy wont return because they've both left night city. It gives an unfair advantage to those who chose to romance Kerry or River, so i doubt they'll go down that route. I reckon either a whole new character or a whole new city entirely. We've already explored night city, it doesnt make sense for them to give us the same map.
Whats with people picking the happier ending in a genre like Cyberpunk? DLC ending have a good track record in the medium by a long shot.
@@Tonius126 because the majority of people don't want a depressing ending to a 20-30 hour story, where everything and everyone ends up dead or depressed, or whatever. and when you make EVERY ending a shit/depressing ending, yeah it makes it kind of annoying for people who would like for at least SOME positive outcome.
But that has nothing to do with why I said I think Fear the Reaper and SoMi on the Moon is likely the canon ending. I explained it pretty well, but apparently you still didn't get it.
The thing about the mr. blue eyes seems like something will happen with rogue ai's and him in the sequel. Maybe the game will start about rogue AI outbreak on the station. Only one way to find out. The thing is he happens to be in 2 endings : Somi when going to the moon, and V becoming afterlife legend
@@happyninja42 No positive outcomes in Cyberpunk, it's a Pyrrhic victory or defeat.
But even that said, I don't view "The Sun" ending as positive. It's made very clear that the mission to The Crystal Palace has nothing to do with curing V. Even the messages between V and Mr. Blueeyes mention nothing of a cure. On the way to the heist V comments that he took this job because he's basically already dead to which Mr. Blueeyes responds with "Well that's pretty grim". To me the most positive ending is leaving with The Nomads. V still has only six months to live but get's to spend them with the people who love them.
I think no matter what I'm a huge believer in sending Songbird to the moon and the sun ending. Both V and Song are two sides of the same coin two people who get screwed over and are now dying for it. Both of them are doing what they can to survive, and I think V would be empathetic enough to look through the lying of Song and send her to the moon. Also the moon and sun are a way to represent two sides of the same coin as well. Also Mr. Blue Eyes is in both endings and I feel like he might be a way for CDPR to point "hey this is canon." Because of how elusive he is.
Yeah, Mr Blue Eyes is practically Cyberpunk's version of the G-Man so his appearance is no coincidence
I want an ending where Johnny, V and Aguilar become the same person and take over Night City with Hands.
Don’t Fear The Reaper ending is canon. 100%.
Edgerunners cemented the main theme that CDPR was toying with on the vanilla CP2077.
It's all about leaving a legacy, about taking down the corporations, about the friends who help you along the way, the connections you make, and the people who will remember you when you're long gone.
Meh, DLC ending has a good track record of being the canon ending for an upcoming sequel.
@@Tonius126dlc can end 2 ways though, then same arguments apply to player choice and all that. I personally feel they added the cure ending because of how many people want V to live.
@@ronancain4640I am leaning more towards yours I figured v will take a fixer role
@@Tonius126nah man, the ending makes V a normal dude, no cyberware. it's great that he lives and can maybe become a fixer but he'll never be able to be a player character again without walking back the consequences of getting his life
@@TarsilyWasTaken I think they mean that people kept asking for an ending where V lives and they got it in the most Cyberpunk way possible. "V lives but now he has no life".
Be careful what you wish for y'all, you just might get it. It kind of reminds me of something Cassidy say's to you during the "Gun Music" side biz. "You never know when your bad luck sparred you from worse luck"
I still think the Star Ending has the potential to continue Vs story specifically in relation to him finding a cure. The Aldecaldos have close ties with Stormtech and they specialize in biotech and nanotech as well as viruses. They happened to have an office in the Crystal Palace, so I think it's possible that V could be roped into that life again for the sake of survival.
After discovering Neuromancer and the strong influences it has on the Cyberpunk genre, I would consider the Phantom Liberty ending to be a good candidate for a canon ending. Neuromancer has a character who can no longer netrun because his nervous system is completely screwed. Similar to V no longer being able to have cyberware. And yet he manages to find a way to continue netrunning and interacts with super AI. V could also find another way and it doesn't have to be the end.
I would also prefer if the next Cyberpunk game took place in 2020. Or the 4th Corporate War.
Sort of agree with you there. And if like a huge if, if they are going to use V as the main character again. It would be a great way to explain starting off at square one with absolutely nothing and no skill.
I kinda wish we got to do the Crystal Palace heist mission where while possible to stealth it you could also go guns a blazing.
That said V’s Crystal Palace heist would make a great starting mission for Orion, or at the very least a mention that somebody got onboard and pulled data.
One last note/idea. In three of the endings V’s consciousness is made into an engram. What if THAT engram is featured in Orion?
Imagine if Orion had V has the protagonist as 2077 had Johnny as V's protagonist.
Something to remember about Alt and the Blackwall... she helped create it. NetWatch worked with her, a rogue AI, to make another AI.
It is one of the reasons she can pierce the Blackwall so easily. She has a literal backdoor wrote into it.
I'd love to get access to Alt's backdoor
@@chrispekel5709 you get it if you help So Mi, but it's not right
@@ans4850 I get it by not helping So Mi, just loot the cyberdeck
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that's not the backdoor the other guy was talking about, haha.
My guess is exactly the same as yours. The Star ending is the most sattisfying and also my favorite, but the sun ending and sending So Mi to the moon, not siding with NUSA is the most canon and make more sense in my opinion. You naild it!
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My guess?
The new ending where V winds up with 0 Chrome and Militech wnds up turning Night City into a Dredd-esque militarized fortress would be canon. V was told they could become anything else such as a Fixer, there's history of folks with very little cyberware becoming legends, and the Militech takeover ahead of both the 5th Corporate War + AI Invasion is fertile ground for a new title.
Just set it 5-10 years after 2077, build out all the unused areas (there's basically the base game+Dogtown's worh of areas that were ultiamtely unused) and expand NIghty City outward. They already said a lot changed in 2 years during V's coma. Imagine 10.
I think the Official artwork that CDPR posted has "Cyberpunk 2077 Orion" on it so I think it takes place in 2077. And the Dark Blue tint of the Cyberpunk logo makes me think we will be dealing with the fallout of all the beneath the surface stuff we've seen Nightcorp get up to.
Just completed this amazing game the other day. The ending with my V and Panam as a couple riding off into the sunset with their family has so much hope for the future written into it! With Misty‘s tarot card reading, Panam’s contacts to help V, and all the other signs pointing towards them being able to find a cure for V is awesome! I imagine them getting married, having kids! Such a beautiful ending. I hope we get to continue their story together. In my mind, they found the cure for V and they went off and lived a happy life in love, and with all their loved ones. Johnny being reunited with Alt is a fitting send off for him too. I just love these characters so much! I hope for a bright future, and to see them again! Hope to find my Panam someday!!!
If something would be canon then it would be most likely So Mi moon and V Sun ending. But people need to relax a bit with the whole Mr. Blue Eyes straight out villain theory. Even if his associated with Night Corp they are the corporation that is lore wise known as the ones that protect NC and want companies like Arasaka and Militech out. So the power can return to its citizens. That alone would be enough for somebody like Mr. Blue Eyes to want Songbird on his site so he can screw up Myers once and for all. And for whoever has read “No coincidence” SPOILER……….Militech is way closer to their own Soulkiller then we actually know. So whatever Night Corp is working on might just be the response to Arasaka and Militech if they decide to escalate things again with another corpo war.
Well, the game is out for 3 years, people climb their ceilings trying to figure out what is coming up next, me included lmao
Especially after he appears in So Mi's quest.
Currently working on a big video trying to put all Mr Blue Eyes conspiracies together and I genuinely get occasional headaches from all the stuff that can be associated with him, so it's really an interesting topic to research, but important to keep your distance and not become another Gary the Prophet in the process.
I think the villain arc has a lot to do with the "Dream On" side job with the weird surveillance of the Peralez couple. However i get major G-Man vibes from Mr. Blue Eyes and do not think he may be ultimately the bad guy aswell.
@@whitemanex The main thing that sticks out to me about Mr Blue Eyes is that has an organized plan, and within his dialog doesn't give off the hint of villainous intentions... in fact to me it feels quite the opposite. [He cures So Mi, if we take that route and is offering something similar to V. if we help him strike at Araska.]
@@HansWurst-gm2rxThing with the Peralez couple is that they were both two underprivileged kids that worked the way up and actually wanna do good to the city. Maybe even too good. They don’t accept corporate help, wanna support the citizens, even tax more so they can solve out homelessness. So even if an AI controls them on the side whatever we see as an outcome if Jefferson becomes Mayor doesn’t defer much from his actual intentions or personality. It’s also interesting that if Night Corp has already the ability to control people to that extent why they wouldn’t just go and brainwash the ex mayor or Holt instead but would choose someone as the Peralez couple. There are different types or Rogue AIs and not all of them are like the ones we see in that cynosure bunker. The ones that originate from the blackwall and the ones like Alt who are a hybrid between human and AI. The difference tho is that Alt was already an engram whilst the Peralazes or Songbird are still humans. Everything is all so very interesting regardless and I’m curious to see were this will go.
But why would they then proceed and kidnap Gary the Prophet who was constantly speaking the truth through his Alpha Centaury theories, and how "they" (Rogue Ai) will overtake the citizens? Mr Blue Eyes clearly seems like being taken over bei Rogue Ai. Yes he might take care of NC, but not in a way you as a citizen would benefit or enjoy it. He and Night Corp are onto something - NC is fucked up, the whole Cyberpunk lore is filled with fucked uo individuals doing some crazy shit (like Bartmoss, just to name one) and while Mr Blue Eyes might think what he is doing is 'good' it doesn't mean that you will benefit from it. Alot of crazy guys and terrorists used to have the same mindset, before doing unspeakable, disgusting things to mankind.
V living chromeless is the safest for V "when" the Blackwall AIs take over. Anyone with chrome will be at war with their own bodies and "the chromeless" will have the fight of their lives as "the chromed" turn into AI controlled puppets but that will be a wierd route to go for the sequel and would make an interesting Spin Off
Regarding the nomad ending, you're assuming we would play as the same character for the sequel.
It could still be cannon and we easily play as someone else, most rpg's do that.
Im thinking they're gonna pull the same trick from Witcher 3. You'll be asked questions in an interview or Interrogation and fill in the blanks as to what you want to be canon
i truly feel like night city is used best as an anthology type thing. personally i think vs cannon ending should be the panam ending with him leaving night city. if the followup follows v then cool we get to see a mad max style game that i think would be really good. if it doesnt follow v then the legend of v, jackie, the heist, v having johnny in his head i think should all be known to the public by whenever it is. ik im having major oversight especially since i havent finished phantom liberty yet but even how many you tie up theres 3 times as many loose ends that another character could close
My canon ending is putting Songbird on the ship, shooting reed, and doing dont fear the reaper solo with your romance of your choice
In defense of the nusa ending: if you have a good relationship with johnny by this point you actually get some really good dialogue with him accepting your decision, pondsmith has also said “Cyberpunk is not about saving the world, it’s about saving yourself.” Which this ending sums up perfectly. V’s always just been trying to survive but now gets a chance to actually enjoy life as a normal person he never would have been otherwise
A counter point to the star ending being unlikely to be canonized. While V leaves Night City with the nomads, V's doing it specifically to still find a way to save them self. Panam tells you that she has connections that could possibly help you.
So, a potential sequel could simply establish that those connections worked out and V was cured.
Or we could just have a new main character but go off of the events of that ending.
I'll probably be the only one here, but I love the devil ending. I mean, of course it won't be considered the canon one (even if it's the only one always achievable), but I love how sad and oppressing it feels. You actually feel like shit, cause everything and everyone warned you, but you still made a pact with the devil, and now you are paying the consequences. It may be depressing, but its writing is so damn good.
Or they can just make all endings "canon" depending on your new character backstory. Like Engram V that was actually transferred to new body with most of memories locked, and maybe working with Takemura now. Other backstories will be based around outcomes of other endings
@@Zenitchik_130 it would be amazing, yet too difficult for the developers to apply this. Anyway, they already made clearly V's story is to be considered as closed. We'll probably never see V and johnny again, saddly.
@@alessandrogarofalo9951 I mean, yeah, but I still guess just as a backstory to be picked in a start of a game, it could be quite cool, after all not much changed in a world after V, Arasaka is still has biggest gun, Night City is a trashcan and all that. They made backstory kinda working in 2077 (dialogues, ect.) hopefully they would do the same in a next game.
@@Zenitchik_130 Well, not exactly. Depending on the chosen ending, Arasaka can leave night city because of V's attack. Furthermore, if V's chooses Phantom Liberty ending, Militech controls NC. At the contrary, if devil ending is chosen, Arasaka becomes even stronger, with an immortal Saburo as its leader. There a lot of consequences to V's actions, it's literally the most influencial person in NC in 2077 😅
It´s so nice to see a person who cares about good writing instead of which ending is the happiest one.
What will be the live action adaptation? A series or a single movie? I don't really think they will show us V's story. The setting will be Night City but with different characters.
I don;t think the ending is going to matter much. Given the route Phantom Liberty went, I am more convinced that Orion is going to be focused on the main AI that broke through the blackwall and that is up to all kinds of 'no good' on the moon. If you haven't done a lot of side quests, the basic overview is that an AI from behind the blackwall escaped, (possibly the one that absorbed Alt) and has been "acquiring" humans, along with using tech to influence and even overwrite human memories and thoughts. Those affected are represented with blue eyes, and we have lots of hints throughout the game about this AI, such as the "aliens" and "vampires", and especially the Peralez gig, in some situations, you can even encounter homeless people with blue eyes that appear to be watching, and if you scan them it comes up a "suspicious person". Phantom Liberty expands upon this a lot, with SongBird being nearly fully taken over by this AI, one that wants her to get to the moon. Also, in Edge-Runners, Lucy is oddly compelled to go to the moon, and they make a point to let us know the moon is not a place ANYONE would want to visit for a vacation. My theory is that the AI is using tech similar to the Relic to upload itself into human brains. It is an awesome concept, instead of humans trying to escape to cyberspace, we have an AI trying to escape cyberspace into human bodies. Anyways, I think Orion will be a different character. Throughout the game we will hear rumors about "V" and rumors as to what happened, but rumors are always a wee bit of truth and a TON of BS. Remember, V is a loner, and we can see from the "Reed" ending that he doesn't have many real friends, and only after 2 years most people have abandoned him. I think the best example as to how Orion might play out is how they refer to Edge-Runners and David in the game, such as the gig "Over the Edge" where you get Davids yellow jacket. Even though David was famous and a legend, he is also obscure, no one seems to really know what happened to him, even after we talk with Falco, we get no more info. I think V is going to go the same path, and we will have a totally new character that ends up going after the AI on the moon.
What if it’s Rache Bartmoss ? He’s the AI .
@@LyykNevaDies You mean an AI that assimilated what was left of Bartmoss, cuz he is very much dead, soup in a netrunner icebox near deshawns body by that giant trash pile. :) It could be possible Arasaka found him and soulkilled him, but just like ALT, he would get absorbed into an AI. Hmmm, you know, I wonder if "eating" engrams, like ALT caused the AI to take not of the regular world, and even to desire to experience it, and perhaps take it over. All speculation though
They will probably write the sequels in such a way that there is the lore connection, and references to the events in night city, but exact events are 'fuzzy' and which ending or quests you did is not decisive.
Another much cooler option would be a save import that lets you have different lore based on YOUR V's historical actions even though the impacts are not that game changing for the new characters story line. Amp up the personal history effects and make the save import for what V did about as important as 2077's backgrounds ended up being. If there's no save imported generate a fully random play through of 2077 decisions to reference. New content every game = more replayability. (Yes that would be a LOT of work to write and setup and make it fit in smoothly but it would be SO awesome for the players)
I've always thought the Don't Fear The Reaper ending made the most sense. It sets V up as a legend and leaves his fate unknown. The only other ending that I think is likely is V leaving Night City with the Aldacaldos. Both endings allow V's fate to be semi-unknown but still leave him as a legend like Silverhand and David. But the sun seems most likely because Mr.Blue eyes is definitely an extremely important character.
I think streetkid female V with Judy romance, saving songbird and telling the government to fuck off with the don't fear the reaper and giving up the body to Johnny is the best story and best ending in the game
There’s only 2 real possible endings either storming arasaka tower alone with Johnny and then V keeps the body leading to the Sun ending or taking Reeds offer and getting the cure and starting Cyberpunk Orion off with the 5th corporate war and blackwall AIs taking over peoples bodies and who best to fight them than someone with no implants
OHHHH SHITE didn't think of that.... Maybe Biotechnica has some secret sauce on the moon too. Bio mods instead of cyberware.
The canon in my head is KIng of Cups + The Star if you romanced Judy or Panam, OR The Sun + giving back the body to V to see a really beautiful Johnny Silverhand closure.
King of Wands and The Sun (With Dont Fear the Reaper and Paths of Glory) - dont even try to change my mind xD
FYI: I commented this before watching the conclusion of the video!
@@HansWurst-gm2rxthere is a really good video here on UA-cam with great valid points why King of Cups fits more as a canon ending, check it out!
I hope the second game starts at the space casino mission
You didn't get anything. This Songbird girl controls this Mr. Blue Eyes character, this was a spectacle she meticulously planned from start to finish and you all bought into her bullshit. Hahaha!
And none of you realised that. I can't believe you people...
I just finished the game today and damn it's gonna be hard to move on. I don't even know what to play now ^^
Doesn’t really matter which ending is canon it’s up for interpretation and that’s what makes this series great it can focus on a completely new cast and crew and the fans will love them this series isn’t tied to one character it’s tied to everyone.
I need an ending where I get to be V and keep Johnny, then Canonize Skippy staying with V. I don't know why, but I really enjoy having both in during the journey.
My favorite ending is the Johnny/Rogue ending in which they storm arasaka tower. Seems like the best ending to Johnny’s story and his redemption by choosing to give V his/her body back.
Sucks that you get Rogue killed in the process tho.
@@rykingly Still felt like it was the best ending because she got her redemption too. Just hope that V did right by her son. Would be dope if rogue’s son became a part of V’s crew in the sequel
Commenting early, but Mass Effect 2/3 absolutely changed shit depending on choices made, though mostly relegated to available companions, minor differences and there was only a couple different choices anyhow. Nowhere near close to the varying choices in CP2077. However, with what game sizes are, CDPR's dev cycle, and their commitment to creating an in-depth engaging story, I'd say it's absolutely something they would try and possibly do.
Any ending that leaves with the assault on the crystal palace seems like the best choice for a canon ending. Especially if we will be playing as V in the sequel game
Thank you for making this, this isn’t talked about enough given how much they plan to explore this universe, the anime, Orion, the live action whatever with Anonymous Content.
Unfortunately my heart believes V died, Johnny, his tale, Vs tale ends in 2077, but Rogue and Yorinobu, there’s no way they won’t have some sort of mention with how impactful their characters were to the story as a whole.
There is a way to make every 'good' ending canon and various pieces of this are hinted at in each ending: All 'good' roads lead to Blue Eyes; we just don't witness it as the player.
- If V solos the Arasaka raid, then we get our most direct reference to Blue Eyes making an offer to solve V's problem... from this ending, you can kinda derive an 'epilogue' for each other ending. Blue Eyes recruited Songbird for being 'unusually talented'. Its a pretty safe bet Blue Eyes sees value in V.
- If V raids with the Nomads, all Blue Eyes needs to do is reach out to them sometime after the credits roll.
- If V opts for the surgery from the president... well... Songbird was recruited by Blue Eyes and not actually Reed. If V takes Reed's job offer, then this pretty much means V will work for Blue Eyes as well.
- If V raids with Rogue, this is effectively the same thing.
- If V chooses to go with Alt, Blue Eyes is *heavily* implied to be an AI. There are a ton of ways for their paths to cross.
For all other endings, the game isn't exactly subtle about making it clear that the player wasn't supposed to pick those choices.
This still isn't without its dark sides: Barring a few 'ambiguous situation' writing tricks, pretty much no romantic relationship made during this game can find its way into a sequel.
I think what is particularly interesting is how many times V came across one of Mr. Blue Eyes schemes/plans. IMHO I think you are on the money with your theory, So Mi makes it to the moon and The Sun Ending. We also don't know what happens to V. I saw a Cyberpunk 2077 that showed Mr. Blue Eyes, and a few others wearing the same ring on the same spot on their hand. It's not an accident. I believe Mr. Blue Eyes is an AI or someone working with the AIs from beyond the wall.
Here is the video that shows you that Mr. Blue Eyes has more influence that anyone of us realized. ua-cam.com/video/KVevlNUz2Sc/v-deo.html
I love Don't Fear The Reaper... maybe because it's the ultimate power fantasy on par with knights slaying dragons from old legends or something but damn it feels the rightest out of all of the endings.
It's the tower ending, V doesn't get soulkilled and actually lives, does least ammount of damage to night city and the most open ended.
They tried so hard to convince everyone that the tower ending is the worst though realistically it is the best. Sure you will lose access to cyberware and most of your friends but at the end of the day V is 29 and healthy in this ending. Still plenty of time to build a future and leave a mark. Unsatisfying from a gameplay perspective? Sure but the best one from a more realistic standpoint.
I don’t think they did. V gives a little smirk before they walk into the crowd, CDPR clearly did that to show a glimmer of hope
On the contrary, in seems for me that CDPR have done everything to make The Tower best option possible: First of all - V's alive in their own body, no ticking bomb in their system. Second, they have a sweet-sweet job offer at hand. That kind of offer that only a complete degenerate would turn down. With this job they have every chance to allow themselves best medical treatment possible to cure their neural condition or they have a chance to turn to usage of pure bioware. Third, path to the Tower ending was the only one, where V's temporary allies from the FIA and NUSA government were the only ones who never deceived or betrayed them, and accomplished every single promise given. So it is most obvious and reasonable choice to stick to Sol, Rosalind and almighty FIA
You did an amazing job explaining this, just earned another sub.
V becoming the queen of the afterlife and becoming a legend in night city is also my cannon ending, except i prefer to send son mi's dead body to myers, i do agree that sending her to the moon does make alot more sense, i just want to grab the blackwall quickhacks lol
Thematically unplugging her in Cynosure was the best ending for the themes presented in the DLC, although sending her to the moon gave the best feels. Only people who liked to tell others to wear a mask during covid want to side with Myers LOL
V could be a main antagonist in the next game lol and adapts your 2077 build.
Devs + Mike Pondsmith confirmed V’s story ends in Cyberpunk 2077
I'm thinking they will make a prologue bigger and better than 2077 had. That would satisfy tons of people as nobody gets railroaded into "their" story. Not in a full way like mass effect, but just a nice nod to your own story. They can easily set it in 2087 and make a way to have all endings have unique flavors, but ultimately not change the big picture. People who want Johnny to have a second life doesn't make narrative sense as throughout the whole game V is always looking for a way to survive.
I think the ending where V gets the FIA surgery is most likely as why would CDPR make a DLC 2yrs after launch with an entirely new ending to the game. Seems like they will go the way of slowly nursing V back into cyberware like a rehab type way instead of just leaving it as that.
I love when games design endings that are definitive, constant cliffhangers suck
I’d prefer for V to return as I’m really attached to his character, even though I know CDPR would make just as good a character for the sequel. What they could do is have it so that when Alt separated johnny and V she kept a engram of V (for safekeeping y’know?) in order to create a true influence in the real world if she ever needed to. So when the next game is probably focused on AIs from beyond the black wall, she uses V as kind of her proxy in the real world to create changes that suit her and don’t harm the engram “Ghost City” she’s created in the ruins of Hong Kong, things like that, then for the V in the endings, people still get their sad ending where V dies, but he technically comes back, and so for the game he really questions whether he is human, and there could even be a scene where v visits his own grave, mirroring the scene where you visit johnny’s grave in the oil fields.
Regardless, I am very excited for the story of the next game.
Knowing CDPR, instead of masterly hide secret, Mr Blue Eyes most likely just be whats left of a cutted content.
so I was thinking about this and what if you get to choose like the lifepaths. If CD goes for V as a character in the next game you get to choose what your ending was and play different first ACT/chapter that all come to the same point. Obviously this would just be for V but the other bigger stuff for the world will have to be set in stone.
no way, then we get new game in 20 years lol
I'd like to point out that Alt and Blue Eyes are not the same (as far as we know), and outside of both being AI; they share little in common. Alt seemingly has no desire to attain a tangible body like she says other AI desire. She sees the net as the superior of the 2 realms and wishes to remain there. She also seemingly has no desire to use human proxies, there were several failed attempts to make contact with her before V. The only reason she even sought them out was curiosity, but her digital ears pricked right up at the thought of nomming on mikoshi. Makes me wonder the scale of power between CN-07(Blue Eyes, or the AI piloting them) vs Alt.
I'm pretty sure Alt is the ultimate and strongest rouge ai ever.. I mean she was the best netrunner who became an ai who could improve and rewrite herself, then with Mikoshi she assimilated like hundreds or thousands of netruners and important people.. So at this point her knowledge, experience and adaptability is like infinite
@@marco002 Yup, at this point the AI using Alt's engram (because it flat out says on multiple occasions when asked that it is NOT Alt Cunningham) is likely an AGI.It's an infintely growing and adaptable entity in the net. Of course it wouldn't wanto be limited by the harsh limitations of the physical world.
@@RicochetForce I would say it is Alt and not at the same time.. It is not teh original Alt as she became an ai and she modified her own code + after mikoshi she assimilated a tons of other personalities
@@marco002 she is actually not the strongest. Not sure exactly how Rogue AI scale to one another in power. She may be after Mikoshi but beforehand she's probably just a step down from the Transcendentals in raw power. Though I find it important to point out who I'm calling "Alt" I'm referring to the AI masquerading as her. The AI itself states it isn't Alt, that soulkiller doesn't transfer a psyche it just kills it and creates an approximation of the dead person's psyche as a digital engram, and even then that this new "Alt" only uses their engrammatic data, so even if the original consciousness was Alt, the amount of AI's and Ghosts she's absorbed has irreversibly altered the entity to not be anything close to the original engram.
@@marco002 Eh, there's not enough in the game to call what we meet in the game Alt Cunningham. It flat out says it's not Alt, when we see Alt in Johnny's (admittedly unreliable "memories") we see the real person is nothing like this AI. And pulling back into the wider CDPR universe, we know Spider-Murphy split Alt's engram up.
I think what likely happened is one of her Engrams fled past the Blackwall and wound up being consumed by a terrifying AI whose only desire is to feed and grow. It is by far the most power hungry thing in the setting at this time.
If it appeared to us as anything other than Alt Cunningham we would immediately react defensively at this Lovecraftian digital entity.
That or most likely cdpr will just do as they did with the witcher.
They will get V in à 5 or 6 hours prologue no matter your ending and then explain how you get here.
Its really easy and possible to do with all of them.
I mean if you have a nomade ending you vould be brought back to nc because of à war and nc being the only city near you "safe".
If you have the sun ending V could just be brought back to nc to capitalise on his legend status or fight against corpo like johny asked him . And so on and so on.
In order to create a sequel with V is only possible if we start from scratch in terms of abilities and cyberware. That can be achieved if V ends up unable to wear cyberware and loses most of their contacts, as the base game also lets you customize relationships, characters can die (Saul, Rogue, Songbird, Alex, Reed), or it is possible you never actually meet them if don't do side missions (River & Kerry), although this can be remedied that V completed those missions off-screen.
- The Tower Ending: the ending of Phantom Liberty is a perfect setup for a sequel. V is a retired merc doing.... whatever, than someone approaches them with an offer: we will fix your cyberware problem (or work around it somehow) and in return V has to do some stuff which will ultimately lead to some other mess. :)
- The Sun Ending: possibly canon. V becomes a legend and with the tremendous amount of money, and she can afford the treatment, with the same result as in the Tower Ending.
- The Star Ending: possibly canon. V and the Aldecaldos will find a way to do the treatment, with the same result as in the Tower Ending.
- The Devil Ending - return to Night City: possible. V gets rid of Johnny but still dying. Tower scenario is still possible.
- The Devil Ending - Mikoshi: non-canon. V ends up in Mikoshi while their body is most likely destroyed. Nah.
- Temperance Ending: non-canon. V becomes an AI while Johnny runs away with the body? Nah, Johnny's story is concluded in the base game, a return is unlikely at all, let alone with V gone beyond the Blackwall.
- Suicide Ending: non-canon (obviously)
The sun ending. Prob will be about rogue Ai truly taking over such as little bird or mr blue eyes or even black hand or even Alt cunningham. They’d prob use V or Johnny to help advance their agenda and it’ll be too late before the main character catches on. That’s really the only ending I can see it keep going
Personally there are 2 canon ending for me don't fear the reaper (makes sense). The new one because it leaves v in a morgan blavk hand situation no combat cyberware with the ai battle with humans seems to be coming. Plus v would be in a better situation that most people
The life paths can actually matter in the next cyberpunk game like in that showcase from one of the demos…you can go off what you started as and then have your current path be whatever ending you wanna pick…. Then your character could have some actual character other than the merc who wants to be a legend…. The only problem would be not having the option to start your journey as Johnny in the game
Sun or secret ending make the most sense generally in all of them but devil Arasaka's fate is the same and Yorinobu succeeds in at keast weakening the company severely
The sun is the canon ending, because it’s the only ending with a cliffhanger and when there’s a cliffhanger that means there’s a sequel coming up which is cyberpunk Orion
I'm guessing that they're going to do what Dragon Age did.
Start with a new protagonist and plotline and have mentions of V here and there, including mentions on the ending you did in 2077.
Bird to the Moon, kick down 'saka's door, off to the Crystal Palace. Simple as.
Don't fear the ripper IS the only ending that matters.
Every ending (except suicide) can lead to the same starting point for the new game. V ends up as a construct with Alt or Arasaka? No problem - they can get a new body in the future. It’s not impossible because Saburo got one. Every other ending essentially results in V having 6 months to find a cure. Maybe it will be like in the Tower ending - V is cured but loses all cyberware. So it all comes to a clean character with a new body or V’s body but without cyberware which is very convenient for a new game.
i dont think they'll go down this route, but i 100% agree. Them scanning your save file wouldnt actually be as difficult as some think, and the same could be said of the 4 main companions if we're given a new city to explore. Panam and Judy leave anyway, Kerry is a rockstar and can easily tour, and River is a PI now and can do that in any city he wants.
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You know what? I think Devil Ending as canon is the most intriguing & has more potentials imo since it really leave you the menacing future sequel that the bad guy won & you have to try again. There are two ways to go about the sequel imo, V return or new protag. Honestly, I think CDPR will choose a new protag since the best way to go about it with to make V conclusion to be more open ended. From this scenario alone, we can safely assume Star, Sun, Temperance can be integrated as pseudo background conclusion canons more easily for sequel, especially for other characters. Now we have main Devil & Tower Endings.
The biggest consequences of both endings are how the major parties will directly claim & change the dominating power over Night city, between Arasaka (Devil) or NUSA & Militech (Tower). imo, Arasaka taking over Night City has a much more balance proposition since Night City still able to keep its independency (on the front) while the eventual 5th corporate war can still happen. This will still leave an open ended scenario for Rogue AI plotlines & the big conspiracy to Nightcorp. As for your Mikoshi arguments, the existence of perfected Relic & how Mikoshi still exist as some kind of eternal prison for any constructs is so much more cyberpunk dystopian imo. It will actually give balance for the Rogue AI war & newer plotlines that will still directly involve Alt Cunningham AI & Mr Blue Eyes imo. Also, the biggest reason to me personally is a major figure Saburo Arasaka's immortality.
From story POVs, you don't want to removed the big boss just like that in your first game! especially when major wars are practically in your doorstep. From this ending, now we can be sure to have at least 2 major characters being immortals, Alt Cunningham & Saburo Arasaka. Since Mikoshi exists, there could be many possible potentials of other characters to get revived somehow. Hell, I would say Arasaka resurrecting Adam Smasher once again like some kind of undying Nemesis is quite terrifying (& great) imo. I would even also argue that Corpo V IS the canon lifepath imo since it can both includes streetkid & corpo life background with streetkid V & Jackie were best friends. It add layers to the characterizations. Also, in the conclusion for V in Devil ending, both V who became engram & V that choose to be "free" still can have an open ended story & potentials imo. For example, what if V really do have "offsprings" with the chosen romance partners or some other unknown person (aside from gay romance for obvious reasons)? it will give story options for controversial V's comeback. This can also applied to V that choose to be free as V could take revenge to Arasaka & will do their damnest, just like Johnny Silverhand.
I can see two ending being canon, DFTR and Nomad ending ( since the nomads may know the technomancers and they may be able to save V).
The danget with DFTR is although Mr Blue Eyes can save V, the prophet said he and his AI s buddies were out to mind control humanity. Will he really just help a powerful being like V without puting some control system in it?
The Aldecaldos also know StormTech in the cyberpunk lore, they are a corporation that specialises in nanotechnology (which is what the NUSA cured V with) and they also have an office up in the Crystal Palace (which is where Mr Blue Eyes sends you in the blaze of glory ending, coincidence?). Panam said she has contacts who worked miracles on people, perhaps StormTech is one of them?
Soulkiller is called that for a reason gonk. Tower ending is where he doesn't get replaced by an engram.
If CDPR intends to make the AI invasion the focus of the sequel, then an unchromed V working in the FIA in the Tower ending (and that one ripperdoc) are in a prime position to retaliate.
Something off topic but I hope in the next game we still get all if not some of samurais songs on a radio station. Samurai is such a big thing. Unless they really want to stretch into something different but maaan they are all amazing songs.
I agree wity literally everything in this video. Well done.
In my opinion we need one more game with V to become the ultimate legend. That being said I would like to think the cannon endings are 1) songbird is sent to the moon which means killing Reid 😪, 2) V is doing the diamond palace heist ( think that’s what’s the space station is called ) side notes would like Jonny to comeback somehow idc how but needs to come back
Depends on what you wanted in the beginning
Long quiet nobody life
A glorious end where you are remembered
There is no in-between everything is bitter sweet
In the beginning, If I was in V's shoes, I'd rejected Dex's offer first hand, because it is the only reasonable thing to do - this gig was screaming big trouble from the very start: too good to be true first of all.
I kinda wish we got an extended or an ending for the base game, where after killing Smasher (fulfilling our promise to Johnny) and getting Alt to Mikoshi destroying Arasaka, V decided to look for another way which is the cure we'll get from FIA (If we helped Reed captured Songbird). Alt couldn't cure V and after separating Johnny from him, he could only live for six months or more due to the effects of the Relic. I'm not sure if Alt could somehow help V with the neutral matrix or maybe only FIA could help him with that. I guess it's too much of a happy ending and if they went that way.
As much as I love the Star ending where V leaves with Panam, I think the Don’t Fear The Reaper ending would be far better for a sequel. It’s very open ended and it wouldn’t be that hard to write V into a sequel, they could say he even found something in the space base that extended his life but didn’t cure him.
Then again, I kind of feel like they’ll go with the DLC ending bc it would make the whole process of going back to square one (at least in terms of player level) more believable … I just hate how depressing it was.
Regardless, I do hope we get to play as V again
"There was a big merc a couple of years ago. V was their name? They had their 15 minutes and disappeared completely at one point. Nobody knows what they're up to now or if they are even alive at this point." - Probably something like this but written in a better way.
Here's how it can work. You choose corpo life path, and the story starts with you having chose the devil ending. You choose nomad life path and the story starts with you having chose the star ending. You choose Street Kid and it starts with you having chose the Sun Ending. Maybe if you had PL you can choose a Fixer ending to follow up the BOOYAH ending (if you know you know).
I actually really like the temperance ending. Johnny keeping Vs body but this would eventually come to weigh heavily on his conscience. He would maybe explore the possibilities of Biotechnica creating a cloned body for Vs engram which is still very much in the possession of Alt. Then maybe you would have to dance more with Arasaka and bring them to make another relic to upload Vs engram onto and then finally insert it into the clone.
We already know Arasaka has the means to overwrite a mind with another due to the devil ending where Saburo takes Yorinobus body for himself, being effectively reborn from an engram. Sure you would need to build in a lot more nuance, but I ain't no writer :P
I just don't like the endings where it simply comes down to you still dying no matter what or being a shadow of your former self in the tower ending.
the clone solution is not possible since V body's DNA is overwritten by Johnny's relic. This is why "offspring" solution is the logical path for the next storyline, in which can have many options & conundrums. For example, what if V do have a child & that child can potentially be the "vessel" for V construct coming back?? Given the options forcefully or not, will V choose it & what would be the repercussions that would entails such choice.
I think the Ending where Vi gets to live, but loses his Cyberware is the best we can get.
The tower ending makes the most sense to be canon.
it could be that if orion plays longer in the future that it will be a mystery what was the best ending
so people in night city will discuss if V went in Arasaka tower alone, with the nomads or with rouge
and after that V just dispears (so it could be that he left with the nomads or gave the body to johnny and he left)
but yea i also think that the ending with blue eyes is 100% setting up orion
Honestly I just think V will be only sort of hinted at. Because the common denominators are. That V winds up only a memory. Whether it's that V dies or leaves off grid. Arasoka turns tail either way. Alt will probably do what Alts gonna do regardless, same with Blue eyes. And everything that happens with the characters in the PL ending happens regardless. They don't just happen because you choose that ending. They happen and the only difference is that V is alive to have seen what becomes of them.
They've made multiple endings, so all of them are canon. Aint changing by mind until next game releases and states otherwise
What if Mister Blue eyes is David's long last father? Doubt it, but that is nuts.
all the base game endings where V survives ( leaving arasaka facility, nomad and becoming a legend by going with rogue or the reaper ending ) is all plausible since there all open ended. unlike getting soul killed devil ending and giving your body to johnny ending where there is a conclusion. I still think V's cure lies somewhere with biotechnica and this gig could be offered to you by mr. blue eyes.
My head canon is Corpo V send so mi to the moon and soloing saka tower to follow the path of glory is a fitting ending for V, a true living legend of night city
The Tower ending gave me closure: V doesn't get soulkilled, "Alt" doesn't eat the engrams, Mr. BlueEyes/NightCorp doesn't get SoMi, Arasaka implodes and V gets the Relic out of her head and lives. A face in the crowd + "Don't let them change you, Valerie"
Mr. blue eyes gives me strange man vibes from RDR 2
I Hope it is the secret Johnny ending.
idk, Tower ending seems to be the ending for me if were talkin about getting in the feels like edge runner, got the last sentence from johnny on the tower ending is so heartbreaking yet fulfilling at the same time.
V getting cured and maybe becoming a fixer would make the most sense for me
I don't think V makes it, but will be a legend you'll hear about (like Johnny was)
Without watching the vid I must say I hope they will accept the (don't fear) the reaper ending.
Mr. Blue eyes reminds me of illusive man from mass effect
Personally, it's going to be the path to Glory ending. It's the only where Johnny grows and actively chooses to give his life up for V. It's also the one what V keeps his promise to Jackie. But also, you see the net positive impact you had on the world around you through the people you touched.
I know it will never happen but in a perfect world, the Sun or Reaper ending is canon, Songbird goes to the moon, and we get a casino heist DLC to close the loop on V’s story. If we got that, Orion can start fresh with a whole new main character and I would still be the happiest gonk in the world.
Personaly I believe that either The Sun (Nomad I believe correct me if I am wrong) and the Secret Ending is the canon ones. Though I haven't played Phantom Liberty's Ending Yet but im at the Point of No Return for that Expansion ending wise so I should have my own opinion on that ending soon but from what I heard online its depressing. (hoo boy cant wait to cry XD)
I feel like what’s canon should be up to you. They did it with the tell tale series
My speculation is this: V/Vincent/Valerie was already psycho before Johnny, they had a multiple personality disorder which is why in real lore they're actually BOTH Vincent and Valerie. The canon ending is the secret ending, just like everyone else thinks EXCEPT V went cyberpsycho and died. Either before the Smasher encounter or during it. Smasher either killed V or V got killed some other way, and Smasher survived but only shortly and got killed anyway. V got soulkilled as was Smasher, and Alt got into Mikoshi through other means. There are other shards with Johnny on them and Johnny gets "reborn" when inserted into a dead body out of desperation by a very old former friend/fan of Johnny.
So these were things I am 90% sure of, now let's get into the wild speculations. There's a fine line between speculations and fanfic, so just to be clear. I am very confident in my previous paragraph. I am somewhat confident in the ending of the next paragraph. And the beginning of the next paragraph are just me doing my best guess as to what the writers will think will make for the best story:
The new Johnny then retrieves everyone from Mikoshi including V, but they've been already partly consumed into the beyond-the-blackwall AI. It turns out the rogue AIs have been mr. blue eyes and other blue eyes NPCs the whole time, and new johnny (who is still the old, darker johnny he was before getting to know V) gets to speak to/interact with Alt and V and everyone through mr. blue eyes. Some time later, the rogue AIs, ie. Mr. Blue Eyes execute their plan. The new net is consumed by the old net, and a new catastrophe emerges. Now every country on earth experiences what the USA did before the previous crash, Japan being the only country that didn't split or lose any territory. A large percentage of humanity dies in the next decades and resembles a mad max world for a while. Then a new, new net appears thanks to Netwatch/Biotechnica and things are slowly returning to normal. Not just humanity, corporations suffer immensely. The only ones who did not suffer were the space colonies. There is a big reshuffling, while Arasaka still exists, it is even smaller. Remember that even in 2077, Arasaka is the 36th largest corporation (despite being a top 3 leader in technology, its revenue is nowhere near the giga-corpos of the world, which have lower tech but stupendously enormous markets in megacities), and NUSA is the 36th largest economy, yes the numbers are the same I think the authors did this on purpose. CP2077 is a world of hunger, inequality and extreme sci-fi high tech. Arasaka is Japan's largest corporation, but inside Japan it has many contenders. Japan has a much bigger economy than NUSA or all of americas. Despite that, in CP2077, the real big corpos are the Chinese and African corpos, with India coming in at 3rd place after a large gap. Then it's Europe and the New Soviet Union (which is really just SovOil corporation - the country) and only then comes Japan. The biggest corporations are the ones who took the biggest fall. Militech is gone and is just the New USA army again. Most of the other corporations are either gone or merged or withering, and the new mega- and giga-corporations are the (former) space corporations. In many ways, the new corporations are just as ruthless and stupid as the old ones, but the new corpos don't have the same gripes with each other as Arasaka and Militech did. Especially because they've learned to cooperate with each other more, because cooperation is crucial to space flight and colonies. Leading to a de-populated, technologically scarce, hot-climate destroyed world, but a much more peaceful one. One where there still is not much hope or opportunity. But opportunity exists for much more % of people. The life paths are no longer just corpo/gang/merc/nomad/homeless/scav. There are relatively normal people living a relatively normal life in tight-knit communities. They are not rare but they are not common at all. But everyone knows there is an alternative way to live which doesn't require you to do immoral things. Of course, these people are targeted by gangs and corpos, but because there are so much fewer people on earth, they can actually fend them off pretty well. Also, the space corpos never did mess with the gangs much. The gangs still exist but are much more independent/less tied with the corpos. It's not like they're enemies or friends, they just don't get into each other's space much. Corpo security is even more crazy now. They're just as brutal if not more, but there's also a much larger spectrum of gangs. Ranging from scavs 2.0 (this time with nukes) to basically friendly neighbourhood corporation with mafia-like past. There is less tech to go around and it's insanely expensive, but everyone has at least some access to it. There are much less public accommodations/spaces/whatever, but tech is often shared with family/friends. Mercs and netrunners are a rare breed. Fixers are almost non-existent in the world except for Night City. Mercs are looked down upon and ostracised, it's much harder to become a merc now so the few mercs there are, are notorious, live longer and are usually either rich or cyberpsycho. Peace is real on earth EXCEPT for of course, resource extraction conflict coming from space mining, which leads into a much more brutal and costly conflict than anything that preceded it on earth. This is why Cyberpunk Orion takes place both in new night city, as well as on Mars and on the space stations
i think any ending which involves the Blue Eye Man will be canon ending. So sending So Mi to the moon and Don't fear the Reaper
I dunno guys, at least in Arasaka ending grandpa survives and the new corporate war delays for some time