I was wrong about Razer - Razer Moray
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- Опубліковано 10 лип 2024
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Adam's here to check out the new Razer Moray IEMs that are pointed squarely at streamers. With a ton of competition and a rocky audio peripheral history, will Adam be impressed with these or are they a swing and a miss?
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0:00 Adam's ready to love again
0:35 Unboxing
1:21 Design impressions
2:57 Sponsor - PowerColor
3:28 Listening impressions and LABS results
5:09 Overall thoughts and pricing
5:41 Outro - Наука та технологія
What do you think of Razer's Moray IEMs? Would you try these out? Let us know below!
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Could LMG review the truthear hexa. They are a really great pair of IEMs.
I'd rather get anything else
Overpriced average IEMs. Just get moondrop arias or truthear hexas for a little over half the price.
There's a typo at 4:17, very severe nitpicking but just letting you know
It says razor instead of Razer at bottom left
Shit IEM at shit price.
How did LMG come to this conclusion surprised me tbh. Many in audio community downright called it DOA, even the FR just looks bad.
Idk, maybe the staff needs more experience to know what good audio sounds like, because it's sure as heck that this aint it chief.
I haven't heard these in person, but you can get a great set of IEM's in the Moondrop Aria's and they're about 30% less than this. These would have to sound great to justify that $130 price tag. I am still smelling some Razer tax on them.
Or you know, budget but great Moondrop Chu or CCA CRA, which are around 15-25$
Crinacle has a great video on them where he recommends better IEMs for 20$
The KZ -zs10 Pro are mind blowing for 50 bucks. Fantastic sound.
even the aria are outdated at this point, just get the truthear hola for literally *18* bucks
i wouldn't do moondrop products, their value is ridiculously good, but all three pairs of Chu's i've had have failed on me within a few months each (one side always stopped working or got extremely quiet), and i treated those like i would my newborn and only used them at home. granted, that's the cheapest pair they have, but i've seen reviews of it happening with the Aria as well with the cable it comes with. i'd just go with other brands like Truthear, which have even cheaper options and not *as many* QC issues.
Just buy the Truthear Zero or Hexa, a lot better IEMs for half the price.
have the hexa, can confirm. razer's IEMS are trash value
@@aidencraft32 I sprung for the Zero Reds for now to see how I feel about IEMs as my daily driver, I wanna get a set of Hexas too after trying them
Zero RED's for me. If you're buying audio equipment, at least buy it from an audio manufacturer.
or Truthear Hola, good budget IEM for $20.
$130 for these is a sin.
I was like, maybe they cost 50 bucks?
Audiophile headphones can be crazy expensive.
@@NightyFall these absolutely aren't audiophile headphones though
@@NightyFalluhhhh these suck tho?
130 for wired headphones in 2023 😹
No inline mic can make sense in a streamer focused IEM since they wont use it anyway, but it would be nice to have outside of streaming scenarios
Let Dan do audiophile reviews
That would be great,(I mean cmon, who doesn’t love Dan) but I think Adam does a perfectly good job presenting audio products.
I’d also hardly call this an “audiophile” product.
@@sturdybutterBeats aren't even audiophile, definitely not Razer. 😂 Focal’s higher end would be Audiophile quality. Some of UE’s earbuds are audiophile grade.
@@Len_M. Cmon there are some great headphones for under 200$ like sennheiser HD 560S or a little above like Sundara. After that it's mostly preference
I would venture to guess audiophiles wouldn’t want to put things like IEMs anywhere near their inner ear
I'm surprised no one in the ECC squad caught the misspelling of Razer in the price graphic.
and in the frequency grapha
@@peterwyckoff Misspelling "graph" to "grapha" was a pun intended? :D
@@peterwyckoff oh yeah, I missed that one too. Too busy staring at the graph itself lol
@@GH0STST4RSCR34M a typo like that isn't really a showstopper worth pulling the video and redoing graphics. would be different if the typo altered the content of the video in a misrepresentative way
@@modestmousecoloredperson They have a whole new team to catch errors. There was a whole debacle about them making trivial errors. This is a 5 minute showcase of a product and they didn't even get the brand name right.
It's not like the name is hard to remember when their ads are everywhere...
At least they pronounced it right, unlike Oura ring.
Would be nice if when it comes to subjective topics (keyboard, audio equipment. etc) there would be a list of devices that the reviewer uses/likes personally.
Yes this!
They often reference other videos, it just seems to me that it´s a little too much work when it's mostly subjective
@@Jj82op but it would help to see if the testers tastes align with yours…
@@TRPLD I know but it's still more important to prioritize the facts. I did benefit from Linus for example, describing a which earphones he likes because of its small size. Sadly it's not always possible to find the perfect overview of a product for every person.
$130 is insane for these, any $30 iem will blow this out of the water
I'm pretty sure crinacle showed that some cheap kz with the same mold is better
And IEMs are so much safer to buy from Chi-Fi brands, because of simple construction. They simply do not break the way full-sized ones do.
You are absolutely right. The CCA CRA I have been using cost me 14$(by now they are probably even cheaper) and they sound great.
Can't recommend the CRAs anymore. KZ stealth swapped their components a few months post launch. They just sounds like their other generic V-shaped IEMs as opposed to their more balanced sound (relative to the KZ house sound)
@@hollownexus9316The KZ-zs10 Pros are amazing for $50
Him putting in the second earbud after talking about comfort at @2:45 about shows how much he knows about IEMs.
Meanwhile Crinacle warning everyone about this overpriced pile of dogshit a month ago.
are you calling crinacle inexperienced?
@@kekkodance No, (s)he didn't 😅
@@kekkodancethey’re saying that crinacle already covered this product in depth, and that this video was worse.
Adam is fantastic and I want to see him in more videos but we need Dan for audio or Adam needs to be given hours upon hours of audio exposure so he can properly make detailed assessments. Or hire Crinnacle since it appears the entire LTT community trusts his opinion 😊
So many better options for much cheaper. Its sad that brands keep relying on their name to push sales rather than actually just being good.
$20 IEMs will outperform these right now. Salnotes Zero, Tangzu Wan'er, Truthear Hola. Or even if you wanted to spend a bit more, Crinacle X Truthear Red, or Truthear Hexa.
im just replying so this gets further to the top
The Moondrop Chu 2 is really good for the $20 price tag as well. Super comfortable and it doesn't have the weird tinny sound the first generation did.
preach brother
i had the chu 2 and tangzu waner would say waner sounds better, soon my hexa will arrive cant w8
bump
2:49 no that's not how you test security with iems.
Try grinning or wide jaw movements.
4:18 That's not treble, its upper midrange, your own graph says so aswell. You could call it lower treble i guess.
Yeah but at that pricepoint you might as well set money on fire. The IEM market is so incredibly competetive that even 20 dollar IEMs run rings around what Razer is doing.
bump
So I feel this review was quite lacking, no in person test of it, and comparrisons to something similar. felt very phoned in or like half the video was missing.
Could LMG review the truthear hexa. They are a really great pair of IEMs.
For a price.
Lower than the razer.
@@truepcsof $80
Why when Crinacle Zero exists? Zero blasts everything outta the water until Simgot EM6L at $110.
@khonjel_singh It seems like you like the Harman tuning. Audio is very subjective, and I understand your opinion. For me, it is the zero: red and then, at the top, the truthear hexa under the $100 price bracket.
Shouer S12 would shat on these for anything non-streaming
Shouer S12 would shat on these for straming and everything else.
When the moon hits your eye, thats a morray
lol
To be fair Crinacle did say they're alright and I trust him more than pretty much anyone else when it comes to sound quality, but like, the Moondrop Chu's that I already own blow them out of the water in terms of tuning still.
Yes, but alright is not worth $ 130. 😅
If you like these just wait for the OEM to release them as their own product without the Razer brand. The same thing happened with the Razer Kishi.
The great thing about the mmxc is the fact you can add an I line mic by just buying a new cable. Want Bluetooth v5? Again buy another cable? Cable breaks? Buy another cable 😊 so glad I made the change
There's a whole point of that ear shape , ripped of from other IEMs where its known as a good comfortable fit. Tuning is not (that) bad. Not great for music still . But there are other IEMs out there with the same shell shape . Look at Crin's video about these.
When an eel has a maw with a pharyngeal jaw, that's a moray!
When the jaws open wide and there's more jaws inside, that's a moray!
When it sulks in a reef and has two sets of teeth, that's a moray!
When an eel bites your thigh and you bleed out and die, that's a moray!
What’s the hurry?. Is this the new short circuit format ?…I liked the old slow & relaxed takes on latest products
Damn this is a hella short video. Which fits the channel's first half XD
The eartips look like those used in the Shure SE215 (or all SE for that matter) and for my ears they tend to start to irritate the skin in my ear pretty fast, which results in pain while wearing them
How does this compare to KZ earbuds or KBears? It looks like it might be inspired by or copy those types of buds, so I'm wondering how they stack up.
Those type of buds? KZ is a brand, "this type of buds" is called IEM.
KZ makes same tuned IEMs with different bodies and different prices for years. They sound awesome when you switch to them from 5$ gas station buds, but the magic quickly falls apart when you look at other brands. Not to mention the controversy of KZ lying about driver count and using fake drivers.
Crinacle showed that the molding on some of the kz models is the same
Probably a KZ would be better, but just get anything else over a KZ
I switched to using IEM's for streaming a few years ago so i know why they say it. It's much easier and more comfortable than big gaming headphones or like i was using a set of planar magnetics. As a content creator, on camera this allows a lot more of your face to be seen and can be perceived as more natural.
How do they perform vs cheaper iems (aria, hexa, etc)?
they are probably worse than most popular sub $100 IEMs
They're beaten by $20 IEMs
@@sidesaladaudio oof lmao
I really would love you guys to make a buyers guide for wired in ear headphones
You're confusing treble with the vocal region.
It's odd to me how EVERYONE seems to pick the small tips. I spent months buying tons of different tips to find the ones that are large enough. How does everyone else have small ear canals? :D.
Same. I have to go for XLs where available for sale ear tip models
Depends on insertion depth
wider ear opening = deeper insertion of the shell, so the tip is at a part of your ear canal that is narrower, thus needing smaller size tips.
If you try getting a shallower seal you'd need bigger tips.
trouble forward? that was the mid range, the Moray lacks on the Treble region
and competitive? chifi already draw the line of diminishing returns at a ≈$100, the Moray sucks on today's market
For streaming I use the "Sennheiser Professional HD 25". I'd be hard pressed to find something better (audio monitoring wise/quality) for the price range (at $145 they are amazing) but the temptation to have in ear versus over-ear is alluring to me (especially for someone with glasses).
IEMs will pretty much always be better performers than headphones, I have DCA Aeon Flows, HD700, HE4XX and my 7Hz Timeless will beat any of them
is this the shortest short circuit video so far
Unfortunately, I can no longer wear anything that goes into the ear more than very shallowly.
It used to just cause excessive earwax, but recently it has caused some damage.
7hz - Salnotes Zero...same audio response as Audio Technica M50x. Comfortable and durable..tuned by Crinacle...best 20$ I ever spent.
Considering KZ iems exist at the prices they do, the price for these is horrendous
Idk man if it doesn't feature a loud Australian drummer trying to detonate them with a preamp that could cause a citywide blackout, I don't know if I can trust a video on IEMs
I don't own these, but one reviewer said the noise separation is awful with these IEM's, you are spending your money FAR better by buying Dunu Kima's IEM's wich I own and they are far better in this price range.
Anyone here who watched crinical's video before this one 😂 must be laughing right now 🤭
I don't like how the camera shot switches with every sentence
misspelled razer in the pricing tag at 5:28
impressed by the sensitivity or is that normal for earbuds?
I’ve been seeing a lot of interesting audio takes from this channel. I have a very open mind when it comes to audio and I know people have their own preference. Giving this $130 Mediocre product the green light is just a little wild. Especially since $20 goes a long way in the iem world. No hate to the host or writers.
I can't forgive Razor for using the name OPUS. It can't even use OPUS codec for Bluetooth A2DP
"They have a lot of presence in the treble" proceeds to show a graph with the limpest treble response imaginable.
I get they're designed to be comfortable to use for long periods but that drop post 9kHz (which is the exact frequency range you'd want to highlight for shooters) is just awful.
Wonder how they compare to KZ ZSN Pro X earbuds? What would make them different? You can get those with a mic for like, 25 USD? I've got a pair and I'm not sure what makes these worth $100 more?
they arent worth that mcuh
Are we all just going to ignore the perfection of this video ?
I mean just looking at this video gives me a feeling of satisfaction. The colours are just perfectly matched. Even the ginger beard looks great with the colours in the background.
130 is a crime when the moondrops are significantly cheaper and better stocked tuned, you could eq them but when you switch to your phone it would be dissapointing
Also, not all IEMs take well to EQ anyways, I'd rather just have good tuning out of the box. Crin Reds, hexas, arias, all are significantly cheaper. If you're gonna spend this kind of money then there are so many better options (ie 200s, S12s, etc).
I think everyone gets worried when they see large nozzles
Am I the only one who immediately thought of J2C iFixit ad?
You can get some KZ or Moondrop IEM's for a fraction of that price($25-$100) with much better performance. Razer's tax is absolutely ridiculous.
so you need an adapter to use them on most phones ?
Depends, you can get bluetooth adapters for IEMs. The real appeal is a much lower price point than TWS sets that are actually good (airpod pros, galaxy buds 2), that will be comparable and sometimes better in the 30 to 50 dollar range.
Simgot EM6L is a better option imo in that $100+ price range
Okay why in the fuck would you want in line mics on an iem advertised toward gaming. I hate it when I'm playing with someone using inline mics to talk. Please get the audiophile in the group to do these.
My wingspan is longer than i am tall lol
That really looks like a repacked SE-215, or something from Shure.
There's just so many good iems in that price range and far below it that these just seem like a bad deal, but at least they are not actually a bad product as well.
You could compare them to other IEMs like the budget KZ ZS10 PRO or other in that price Range.
Its sad that there is no impressions of music or anything at all.
Did you listen to them at all? There is not a hint that you even had them on, which is sad.
Good review! The editing of the camera views is a bit like watching a crappy cable tv production from a decade ago though. Makes me a bit dizzy.
AYYYY YOOO! 2:59 is that a death grips hoodie?!?! lesssssssss go!
I expected him to say they were like 70$ and already thinking these were too pricey.
This channel has blindly pumps 95% of mediocre products to the moon for no reason. This is one of them.
There’s no way in hell they provide 36db of isolation when $1,000 Peltor Comtacs and Ops Core Amps only provide 28db
It's not really that out of the question. Sure or etymotic IEMs can attenuate more noise at even cheaper prices. Some higher end IEMs will attenuate less noise, as a trade off for venting for tuning
5 minute vid?! Thank you ShortCircuit!
Whether it’s a good product or not, they called it an eating your monitor because it is not a headset. Terminology gets a little weird, but I can see with certainty that an N air monitor would not come with a microphone. As far as I know, those were developed, either for television, or for musicians, and in either case, there’s no reason why they would have a microphone. Perhaps razer will offer this same product with a microphone, but they won’t call it an in ear monitor.
In Ear Monitor is a bit confusing since it just means any earphone that seals in your ear canal. While the original use for that form factor was for stage use, any earphone with a silicone, foam, or custom tip is considered an IEM. So even something like airpods pro are IEMs. There are lots of IEMs nowadays with microphones, and even some with boom mics
It's not confusing, it's right there in the name
A set of earpods or earbuds can have both IEM and a microphone, I suppose, but adding a mic changes an IEM to something else
Otherwise, what do words mean? Why bother having them if their meaning will change?
Stand with me at this line, won't you?@@sidesaladaudio
I got the razer barracuda for $100. It came with a microphone and is wireless
They're monitors...why would they have a mic?
I love Razer based on looks and features but all my Razer products have broken for whatever reason vs my others gadgets(ROG, Lenovo, Corsair, Red Dragon, etc).. Wish their quality is better..
Razer is overpriced anyway expect their budget gaming mouse.
What is up with the unnecessary switching of camera angles 10 times between 3:30 and 4:10, give it some dutch angles and it is like watching a modern action scene. Ease up on it.
I don’t know. I got a set of five driver iem for $40 U.S and these are over a hundred dollars U.S for a set of two driver. But I do have a set of two drivers with mic for around $20 U.S. and they are selling them without a mic and with two drivers per ear as gamer / streamer iem are they stupid or do they think you are?
That MMCX recess is unacceptable. Looking at the 3D models for this, there was no reason for them to do this other than to make sure you can only use their cable and NEED TO BUY their cables if you ever replace or change it.
This is literally anticompetitive practice on an open standard.
Imagine if your phone had a USB-C port but it had a notch making it so you could ONLY use that companies usb cable.
This is unacceptable and needs to be called out. This is instantly no longer an option for me no matter how good this is.
Don't worry, they're not good anyways. Senny does the same thing with their proprietary MMCX connector but at least you can just snip off a small plastic ring and use them with any MMCX cable.
@@doctahp123 lots of companies do this, and it's fucking atrocious.
Im not spending $150 on a sennheiser cable when I can get a better one for half.
a short circuit thats actually short🤯🤯
I'll feel bad for anyone that buys this when you can get the moondrop aria for $80
Okay I haven't finished the video yet and will make a premature call that could make look stupid but from the response curve alone one can tell that these iem's will be horrible for a lot of games
Literally yes, but he doesn't mention that.
and music
Iem's should have small nozzles but variable eartips.
Otherwise they are straight up bad
Fit is very subjective for a lot of people. These are straight up bad for a variety of other reasons
Yet still you skipped Blackshark V2 2023, which finally got an amazing mic for wireless headphones... And now they released cheaper version of that - Blackshark V2 HyperSpeed.
But you choose some crappy in-ears 🙄
There's a ton of comparable IEMs for ¼ to ⅓ of that price
Never thought I'd see cold ones merch on this channel lol
No way did he say “as in that’s a” when referring to the name of the headphones 😂😂😂 well done
So, it’s 20 buck KZ with razer logo?
KZ is tuned better
These iems will disappoint. Now back to the segway to our sponsor
130 bucks is about 100 more than i would pay for wired IEMs
An actual SHORTcircuit in a while
what good iem comes with in-line mic? even big brands like sennheisers dont come with in-line mic. why you have that as a negative is beyond me. also i hate in-line mics on a cable it just adds points of failure.
Crinnacle already looked at these right?
Bought some 1more triple driver and while amazing they do not last, once the refund comes I am going to upgrade and try these
I just bought these actually are great. Super light way not alot of pressure in the ear and sound really good.
4:08 A lot of Razer's newer products are turning out to be quite nice because they're making peripherals that their sponsored streamers directly ask for. Built in mics on headsets and some IEMs' stock cable just cause too many problems with more complex audio setups. I wouldn't buy these, but I can see a kid wanting to be like their favorite streamer picking them up when they visit Best Buy during back to school shopping.
It's a trash product though... you can get better sound from 30$ headphones
you can get the chinese KZ probably same manofacturer for waaaaaay less.
kz bad, buy truthear
late, im fine with the kz probably sounds better than the razer lol@@Alepap.
not a single guy on this forsaken planet is buying IEMs for telephone calls, in my opinion the usually shitty mic would just clutter the cable
Fiio FH1S with a Ifi HipDac2 = Rave ASMR
comfort is great, no mic is a miss, case is nice, tuning is not great. better cheaper IEMs out there better for gaming (or streaming for that matter)
Genuinely feel Razer and LTT are out of their element when it comes to IEMs.
Never ever anything from Razer again. Their malware already shortened my life expectancy way too much!
lol
Can we get a new guy for iem and headphone unboxings please?
what about a boom mike?
im here for the dean martin reference
IEMs arent designed to be used with a mic. Everyone i know who uses them is also using a mic and the cable from the IEMs runs down the back of my shirt to my hookup to stay out of the way during a performance or broadcast. Not trying to hate but this seems like basic knowledge for this type of headphones.
An inline mic is common for consumer IEMs, since most people who aren't performers wear the cable in front. There's also IEMs with a boom mic that is attached to the earhook and comes out under your ear
@@sidesaladaudio ah well i guess ive mostly worked with musicians who havent needed it because they are strictly playing or when im streaming and i have my mic in front of me. Thanks for the info!
No you're right, almost all IEMs do not have an inline mic because they are used as monitors. There are obviously a few exceptions on the low end of the market. I can't think of any IEM over $100 that has an inline mic, usually at that price if you wanted a mic you would just do a cable swap@@Beardedwunder