Michael Horton: Moralistic & Therapeutic Deism

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  • Опубліковано 3 лис 2024

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  • @facepalmingreformer8723
    @facepalmingreformer8723 2 роки тому +6

    Dr Hortons ability to diagnose this stuff is brilliant. God has graced him for this.

  • @Daniel-SlaveofJesusChrist
    @Daniel-SlaveofJesusChrist Рік тому +3

    Message that needs to be heard on a regular basis

  • @HillCountryPrepper
    @HillCountryPrepper 3 роки тому +7

    A message that needs to be heard today.

  • @Daniel-SlaveofJesusChrist
    @Daniel-SlaveofJesusChrist Рік тому +2

    This message if heard by a majority of the Pastors in this age would cause them a heartattack.

  • @dandaub7817
    @dandaub7817 3 роки тому +11

    This is spot on.

  • @kevinbrislawn5918
    @kevinbrislawn5918 7 років тому +4

    We just talked about this last week in my home church..many aspects of the Word come to life for me when i hear really good teaching on this and other subjects.

  • @kevinbrislawn5918
    @kevinbrislawn5918 7 років тому +13

    We're all guilty of this self-serving antidote to feel good.

  • @leodwinak
    @leodwinak 3 роки тому +4

    I hate it when I hear a parent say be nice.
    Tell them to be kind gentle honest careful respectful patient. Name ethical character qualities you want them to disply not just inoffensive or impotent.

  • @kevinbrislawn5918
    @kevinbrislawn5918 7 років тому +1

    As a people we are all pretty much in the "guilty" category of trivializing our personal sin our personal willingness to lie, cheat or steal because we think we're immune to consequences and post modernist thinking conveys to us.." ahh so what I think I'm still okay" and pass it off. I know I'm guilty I know many in my church are guilty..it's how we process all this in terms of good biblical grounding to understand when I feel as if I know the answer and I truly don't. I have to go to the Word to seek God personally and seek forgiveness from him and not pass on judgment to others or my background etc.

  • @GraceandTruth7777
    @GraceandTruth7777 6 місяців тому +2

    How long has Western Churchianity been Semi Pelagius? We just have to put on the FIG LEAVES because even the regenerated may be deluded by the subtle subconscious way we are offended by the Cross.
    Deism means that you basically worship another god, the god of the Enlightenment.
    Humanism comes in a whole variety of ways.

  • @hadikusumo7922
    @hadikusumo7922 8 років тому +5

    great sermon, in Jakarta where I live most of the Chruches have also changed into another gospel humanism secularity.

  • @TheDrummaBen
    @TheDrummaBen 3 роки тому

    This one blew my socks off

  • @mysticmouse7261
    @mysticmouse7261 Рік тому

    Ah finally the Truth

  • @bowinghearts
    @bowinghearts 2 роки тому

    Brilliant

  • @NavaidSyed
    @NavaidSyed 5 років тому

    Nothing is wrong with loving anything and anyone including yourself until and unless it causes significant harm to someone else.

    • @mattr.1887
      @mattr.1887 Рік тому +1

      I don't think you should love people blindly. But under Christian thinking, you can NEVER love yourself!

    • @NavaidSyed
      @NavaidSyed Рік тому

      @@mattr.1887 Love is spontaneous and personal. It does not recognize the boundaries and restrictions, Christian or whatever.

    • @cbwilson2398
      @cbwilson2398 8 місяців тому +1

      A real tough decision: Go with you, Mr. Knowitall, or with the God of the universe and his word.

    • @NavaidSyed
      @NavaidSyed 8 місяців тому

      @@cbwilson2398 Of course the worshippers always know better about everything in spite of having zero scientific or logical evidence for it? For your kind information this is called blind faith.

  • @justbecause9219
    @justbecause9219 3 роки тому +3

    You go to most places called churches and very rarely will you hear Christ and His accomplished redemption and His atoning work and imputed righteousness preached. It’s always about man-centered, moralistic, therapeutic, deism.

    • @oron61
      @oron61 2 роки тому

      Who needs to become a legitimately better person when you can assume your own goodness by believing the right stuff? Christians and the Pharisees both can impute righteousness of themselves while preying on widows, while those who actually do righteousness are sent to hell for joining the wrong church. So much for being paid according to your works.

    • @justbecause9219
      @justbecause9219 2 роки тому

      @@oron61 it’s Christ’s righteousness alone imputed to His elect. it’s a God-given faith.

    • @oron61
      @oron61 2 роки тому

      @@justbecause9219 Exactly. It's imputed instead of real. It only really exists in Jesus. The righteousness within you only exists on paper; it no longer produces any demonstrable good works beyond those of the pagans today. You don't do good works. You call your filthy rags good works because you think you've tricked your god to thinking they are instead of receiving power from your god to do real good works. That's why you beat your wives more than agnostics and make up most of the incarcerated population.

    • @mattr.1887
      @mattr.1887 Рік тому

      Justbecause, what churches are you talking about? I have been to many - while there is some variation in style and doctrine, they pretty much all stick to basic Christian views in my experience.

    • @justbecause9219
      @justbecause9219 Рік тому +1

      @@mattr.1887 “churches” that aren’t preaching Christ and His accomplished atonement/redemption. If you pay close attention, the teachings are always ultimately man-his will and decision as the difference maker and not Christ alone.

  • @mcfarvo
    @mcfarvo 5 місяців тому

    Amen

  • @ltcajh
    @ltcajh 6 років тому +5

    The American Church is exceedingly ill.
    An Osteenite told me that you can go elsewhere if you want to hear about the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. She’s heard it, knows it, and doesn’t need to keep hearing it!
    To sum it up, preaching is directed toward what the peoples’ felt needs are, rather than God directing the content. I had a pastor would would go on a yearly retreat to the beach to find out what God wanted him to preach on for the year. At the same time he put out a box soliciting sermon topic suggestions!

    • @refiloemotsoeneng8777
      @refiloemotsoeneng8777 4 роки тому +1

      Shocking!!! Not really surprised

    • @mattr.1887
      @mattr.1887 Рік тому

      How does a preacher know EXACTLY what God wants him to preach about? Just pray hard enough until he gets exactly the right thoughts and feelings?

    • @ltcajh
      @ltcajh Рік тому

      @@mattr.1887 I don't guess they know. Often it's what they feel a passion about, or sometimes it's a systematic exposition of a passage.

  • @klaasjan111
    @klaasjan111 7 років тому +2

    a moralistic side-note: shame on the tech crew ! For the silly mic stands....

    • @klaasjan111
      @klaasjan111 7 років тому

      in the netherlands you got lpbmedia for reformed people....tip

    • @klaasjan111
      @klaasjan111 7 років тому

      ua-cam.com/video/yRwWjjCjetE/v-deo.html example

  • @angelsanabria4457
    @angelsanabria4457 3 роки тому

    La realidad es algo muy distinto que el materialismo historico.

  • @MarkCox21125150
    @MarkCox21125150 8 років тому +4

    Wow. Great talk - if the shoe fits . . .

  • @MarkTurcio
    @MarkTurcio 5 років тому

    What is the reference to the source concerning Barna findings ?

  • @drivebyquipper
    @drivebyquipper 2 роки тому +1

    I was hoping to get a drink here, but it was dry. All the guy did was complain how there's no water in other places.

  • @NavaidSyed
    @NavaidSyed 5 років тому

    Gnosticism and self-salvation are heresy? How so?

  • @augustbabyboi
    @augustbabyboi 3 роки тому

    I think he meant Psalm 51, not Psalm 95.

  • @paulbaysa9133
    @paulbaysa9133 2 роки тому

    Ibang illegal charts
    ☝️ not evangelical
    "Ibang" is a Tagalog word means "different", in a indifferent world of churchianities.

  • @NavaidSyed
    @NavaidSyed 5 років тому +1

    No victim, no sin or crime.

  • @krystle8287
    @krystle8287 3 роки тому

    🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @JohnnyBlaze5100
    @JohnnyBlaze5100 9 місяців тому

    It’s ok, but u had me lost. It’s monotonous not clear cut n it’s sounding generally boring. Get to the point!

  • @julialoorgamboa3111
    @julialoorgamboa3111 5 років тому

    Por favor,en español

  • @JoseLoayza-j6w
    @JoseLoayza-j6w 11 місяців тому

    That’s not deism. Moral deism is defensible. Debate me professor.

  • @NavaidSyed
    @NavaidSyed 5 років тому

    I own myself. Nothing doing to myself could not be sin. Sin or crime happens only when someone else is harmed.

    • @retrograd332
      @retrograd332 4 роки тому +3

      False, sin is any rebellion against the law of God.

    • @Window4503
      @Window4503 3 роки тому +2

      You are not your own. No one is. You are incapable of bringing yourself into existence or sustaining it without God.

    • @NavaidSyed
      @NavaidSyed 3 роки тому

      @@Window4503 Yes, there is a cause. But, it is very unlikely to care about what do you do in your bedroom, for example.

    • @Daniel-SlaveofJesusChrist
      @Daniel-SlaveofJesusChrist Рік тому

      ​@@NavaidSyedWE ARE ACCOUNTABLE TO GOD. EVERY BREATH WE TAKE IS HIS MERCY, EVERY THOUGHT WHICH WE THINK OF WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW OF GOD IS SIN. SO WE KIND OF SIN A LOT. WE ALL ARE SINNERS AND WE ALL DESERVE TO BE SENT TO HELL.
      THIS IS UNDERSTOOD ONLY IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE HOLINESS OF GOD. WE CANNOT SAVE OURSELVES AND ONLY GOD CAN SAVE US. THAT WORL OF GOD WHICH GOD DID TO SAVE US IS THE STORY OF THE BIBLE

  • @NavaidSyed
    @NavaidSyed 5 років тому

    You are bound to the immutable universal laws of nature, and those always give the same results.

  • @mattr.1887
    @mattr.1887 Рік тому +2

    Former diehard fundamentalist here. I love my Christian brothers and sisters. But I think a lot of you have been seduced by this unhealthy compulsion to control other people's thoughts, and even control God by making Him say what you want Him to say.
    The deist just accepts that God is reflected in nature and beauty. The more specific your theology gets though, the more human error starts to enter in. Doctrine is man-made, and can always deceive you - but nature cannot be faked. None of this has to rule out morals, either. I am a deist, and VERY right-leaning socially and politically. In my personal/private life, I strive to do the right thing BECAUSE IT IS RIGHT - not because I'm afraid of going to hell or anything like that.
    I know many Christians reading this will probably conclude that I am just another godless heathen who's never cracked open a Bible. If you only knew my friends - if you only knew.

  • @NavaidSyed
    @NavaidSyed 5 років тому +1

    God is the clockmaker. He made a clock in a way that he does not have to interfere in everyday affairs. More current modern-day analogies will be video games and virtual reality programs. The programmer is simply beyond the rules of the game, just like a programmer cannot be part of the game, and the rules of the game do not apply to him.

    • @mchristr
      @mchristr Рік тому +1

      "The Word became flesh and dwelt among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth" (John 1:14). If God didn't reach down through the division of heaven and earth to meet with us, where else would we find hope?

    • @NavaidSyed
      @NavaidSyed Рік тому +1

      @@mchristr In yourself?

    • @mattr.1887
      @mattr.1887 Рік тому +1

      Mchristr, some people ONLY find hope in strict Christian doctrine - and I honestly respect that. But you can also find hope in nature, in beauty, in your relationships with loved ones, and in the very wonder of existence itself. I believe that all of this honors God. In fact we can find God in these very things.

  • @BigHippyBear
    @BigHippyBear 4 роки тому +1

    Three minutes and forty two seconds into the video, and Horton has not a traceable chapter directly from the gospel.

    • @jerryvivanco4898
      @jerryvivanco4898 4 роки тому

      Wow!!!!! Pay attention senor F. 4get it.......If THAT'S your reaction.....
      Then.....u don't GET IT!!!!!

    • @BigHippyBear
      @BigHippyBear 3 роки тому

      😂 Precisely. I have revisited and suffered twenty more minutes in hopes the word was with him. Disappointed has filled the air.

    • @BigHippyBear
      @BigHippyBear 3 роки тому

      @@jerryvivanco4898 . Of course i did not get it; this sermon is built on Sand.

    • @romans6788
      @romans6788 3 роки тому

      >One year and a few seconds into your comment, and you have not had a traceable chapter directly from the gospel.
      Cmon bro, think about what you just said.