Every time I listen to this, I'm reminded of the importance of this topic, hearing things that need to be spoken from modern-day pulpits. Praise God for His grace and faithfulness to communicate the same!
I knew this all along, but RC spells it out for me that I can not miss it: Man has been avoiding responsibility for his actions from the beginning of time.
JerynToney: And why is it that humans avoid responsibility? Because they can. Because they were created as creatures capable of both accepting responsibility and of denying resonsibility. Once we understand the laws of the universe created by God, we know that no thing (living or non living) can exceed its design. Nothing magical or mysterious happened to Adam and Eve that caused them to act as they did. They were, as we are, perfect.....meaning the perfect design God created. "Perfect," means, as intended by the designer. God intended and created humans with free will, and unlimited desires to pursue. Abel desired to please GOD. Cain desired to please himself. And both acted on their will.
@mandodelorian4668 And why did things go wrong? Because God created humans with the capacity to choose every action they take, and every desire they pursue.
Since 1971-72 I have (very much) listened to and read R C's writings...and loved all he has done. To take all the subjects on that which he has done and, for me, always staggered me with his God-given ability to make/enable me to grasp the truth...or even enable me to grasp a part of these things that nobody else ever came close to...or they never even tried to take these monumental questions on. He was very intelligent, yet he would be able to look upon the simplest of us and somehow very gently leave us with things to take away from whatever he was teaching. I am happy he is in heaven with his God and Savior in complete bliss, though I am still often wanting to see that beautiful face, hear that voice that I never tire of. Thank you Lord for such a man, such a wonderful friend as R. C.
Nobody knows anything much about the bible, I don't know why Christian apologists even bother to try to "understand" it. After centuries of debate and scholars trying to figure it out , still NOBODY knows for sure who wrote it and when it was written.
I wish I would've come across this gentleman about 15yrs ago. But that wasnt part of God's plan for me. But I've got his teachings playing constantly now every question I've had with the Bible this man has made crystal clear. He's made my studying so much easier and I can now teach others with more confidence than I had prior. I hope all r.c.'s questions are being explained as I type this.
I’m almost as Catholic as a person can be. But I can’t deny the world is better for having had RC Sproul having lived through it. He’s a titan of the Christian faith. It’s so obvious that he’s a good man. And I grew up a few towns over from ligonier ministries. God bless you Sunny Sproul
What woke me up was getting stuck on the word “sin” and the concept that says “the wages of sin is death” and I realized I did not want to work for evil and therefore DIE, especially when I knew I was born in this body to overcome death - which through Jesus, this has been accomplished, but not by me, but by Christ Jesus, alive in me!
Note to Self on Sept 21, 2021: I wake to find my brief comment has been “highlighted” and I’m glad. Then the thought occurs, what if this whole internet game is just a way for someone to get more $ and there’s only an AI Robot behind all these replies? And I answer my question by wondering if the robots have souls - mind, intellect, and free will? Probably not free will. But their programmers and sponsors do have a soul to suffer the consequences of s I n. Only Jesus who is GOD in the human flesh knows the truth.
@@larainehruby1376 John 3:21, 1 John 1:5-10. John 8:12. Abiding in light manifests truth (good, life), abiding in unlight (darkness) manifests evil (death, disease, sickness, etc). This is the immutable spiritual law in place. Read my post in-progress at the root comments thread.
With all due respect Laraine what woke you up was God opening your blind eyes and the work of the Holy Spirit in your life 🙏✝️ this is what enabled a semblance of realisation of your reality, but even then it took more work by God to regenerate you agin your will, that’s what makes one’s conversion so remarkable 🙏✝️
Thankful and grateful to the Almighty for using this man to bring us good tidings! Such a blessing to hear and learn theology from a man that has passion in sharing! All glory be unto Him!
This teaching now becomes my primary focus for study. I am a serious student and have an extensive background in actually LIVING what Dr Sproul expounds so eloquently. My way of understanding “sin” is to think of it as an acronym where S stands for selfishness; I stands for ignorance; and N stands for negativity. How I wish I could talk with this great thinker now, but GOD would have me wait until I’m ready.
@NtwagaeMoalahi Yes but why???? Satan knew he was a created being and absolutely no match for God, his infinite creator. It's like me declaring war on the entire might of the US military on my own, armed with a water pistol!!! Ehat chance would I have. How does Pride play into that, to say Pride does not explain the why?? How could he have come to such a choice, being a angel if light and close to God.
Very deep question... As God is perfect.. He includes in Him all information from darkest side to holiest.. He isn't dark but he knows the information.. so evil had these tools in him too.. but there couldn't be another "God" as if God creates a god like himself.. it chooses it's own way.. very very deep thing.. that's why God made us not perfect that we need Him.. otherwise our destiny is where evil is.. when we have all the glory..all the power.. we can't basically stay with God... Cause we choose to be on our own.. But that's much much deeper than my text.. but maybe it helped a bit to understand that how PERFECT it is to be NOT perfect hah.. it saves us.. and gives us the LiFE in Jesus
Hello my fellow humans! I am not saying that I not lacking intelligence, but I have reached an answer for this huge question that R. C. Sproul struggle with. The question is, how did sin came to be? Or where did sin came from? (24:35) this is my understanding; God is eternal. Before the Angels were made, he has existed eternally. And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation. Therefore, before anything was made, he already had in his master plan to send his Verb to die for our sins. Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: I believe this explanation my Calvinist brothers and sister will understand it! Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee. So God sustained the beings that he creates he also can let them fall. Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. Because God is sovereign. Through his Spirit, he keeps his beings, that he creates, standing! The LORD God is my strength, and he will make my feet like hinds' feet, and he will make me to walk upon mine high places. To the chief singer on my stringed instruments. So He pulled his Spirit out of Lucifer. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. So that is your answer; God determined in our end in order to show his power is mercy and justice! For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, Peace my fellow humans!
Thank you God for strong men in the faith like RC Sproul. He is missed here but I know he is enjoying heaven and all you have waiting on those that have accepted Jesus Christ as their savior. I am closer to heaven now than I have ever been, and for that too I am thankful.
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21 Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead!
That was absolutely the most awe inspiring, thought provoking deeply spiritually and mentally gripping a talk that I have ever heard. Praise be to the Lord God for a gift as this man of knowledge. It just popped up in my video suggestions. So glad I took the time. God Iis Good.
I have just stumbled across the only man I have found who would understand what God has revealed to me... 'the Un'. When he started to say that I cheered because I felt I had found someone that can grasp this 'perspective' and understand. And I missed him by 2 years. This is a tragedy.
I don't have need of someone to listen to, I need someone that can understand me. And explain how suddenly I'm best described as Hisidic for all intents and 'alignment' purposes.
This man was just so brilliant. God bless Prof Sproul...wow. the way this discussion is so structure and delivered is just exceptional from beginning to end. He builds a lecture very well and teaches with abundant clarity. ❤
@@nomadicrecovery1586 so why are they teaching the trinity of the roman catholic born in 325 nowhere teach in the bible? If you have a verse where Yahweh is saying I AM three different persons? But in my bible Yahweh ALWAYS CLAIM TO BE ONE and there is no other God beside Him.
@@michelhaineault6654 first The bible DOES teach there were at least two divine powers. And do a real study in the Holy Spirit. Also seems to be YHWH. And Christ is referred to as YHWW by applying many Old Testament texts to him that can only be YHWH So immediately something odd is going on Also Jesus is said to have created everything. All things are for and held together by him Yet OT YHWH says he alone was there. No other hand assisted Something odd going on. Lots of other reasons why using only the Bible it really does appear that ther could be a triune God This isn’t made up out of thin air There is no direct statement of trinity There doesn’t need to be The principle need to have an explanation of how God is one God. Yet more than one person is dated to be God. Creator. Etc etc There is a very good reason the church struggles with this for a long time The trinity is the conclusion they came up with based on TEXTS Is it correct ? Seems like It. But maybe not But one thing I know Both sides claim absolute truth And it isnt that simple And I’d add this Say they are wrong Yet they love God. Have our faith in / believes Christ. Live a Christian life and await Christ’s return In no way is that AGAINST Christ
Wow! Even though I had to rewind and a few times, look up the meaning of some words he used, that was the most profound lecture I've ever heard! Thank you!
That guy that u listen to,dont know jack,all evil come from the fallenig angel called Lucifer,and Lucifer is a spirit,a fallenig that was put out of heaven for his wickedness,and all evil and wickedness come from,the fallenig angel Lucifer,who is called Satan or the devil,or the great red dragon,which those are titles that the fallen angel Lucifer have,but Lucifer is the fallenig angel name is,which all evil come from,and Lucifer the fallen angel,put his evil in men and women,because the devil,who is Lucifer,has the power to get inside of man,and control him,and make man and woman,human bodies do the things that the spirit of the devil,want that human body to do and say,so that man in that video dont know jack,all evil come from Lucifer,the fallenig angel,that tried to take over heaven,with the other angels,that he lied to,that believed him,and the things he told them,and those angels that believed him,they fight against Jesus Christ the spirit,and the other angels in heaven,and lot and got put out of heaven,so evil started in heaven,with the devil,who name is Lucifer,and then the devil who is Lucifer,brought all that evil to the earth to man and woman,and the spirit of the devil,who name is Lucifer,who is a fallenig angel,talked to Eve in the garden of Eden,and caused her to eat,the fruit,off of the tree,of the knowledge of good and evil,and when eve ate the fruit,it did nothing to her,but when Adam ate the fruit,it caused the problem,and gave the devil the power to become the god of this world over man and woman,so the evil,that is in man and woman,on this earth,it all comes from the fallenig angel Lucifer,who is a spirit,and he has different titles that he go by,so dont listen to that guy,because he is not born again,filled with the spirit of Jesus Christ,and if u get filled with the spirit of Jesus Christ,he will show u,and teach u,that all evil and wickedness,come from the fallenig angel,who name is Lucifer
@@LP-un7xoyeh but that still doesn’t answer the question as to the origin of the evil that sprung up in Lucifer before being cast out of heaven. Bruh you are wrong about RC Sproul, the guys done more than his share of work for Gods kingdom.
If u knew something about the word of god,which is called the bible,u would have read,that the Lord Jesus Christ,who is the spirit,that said that he created good and evil,so it is Jesus Christ the spirit,that created evil,and not the son of god named Jesus,who was a man,and yes there are two named Jesus in heaven,one is the spirit named Jesus,and the other is the son of god named Jesus,so Jesus the spirit created evil,and all the things that your eyes can see and hear,and also what u dont see and hear,Jesus Christ the spirit created it,because Jesus Christ the spirit can do what he want to,so u either go along with Jesus,and do what he want,or go to hell,it is your choice
This was the most honest but direct answer to evil I have heard, which also presents many mainstream views on evil today that are also addressed and analyzed. Bravo 🙌
exactly the moment I am writing the word works in my daily agenda to make a list of works that I need to do for GOD this man speaking said the word works at the exact same time... This happens to me all the time... There are no coincidences... our GOD is great... Our GOD is awesome Adios from the mountains of Guatemala Lake atitlan... The land of Eternal spring
"Works".." that you need to do for God"?!?! I'm guessing (and hoping) you are just phrasing your comment wrongly. God doesnt "need" you to do anything.
C.S Lewis writs in Mere Christianity "You can be good for the mere sake of goodness: you cannot be bad for the mere sake of badness. You can do a kind action when you are not feeling kind and when it gives you no pleasure simply because kindness is right; but no one ever did a cruel action simply because cruelty is wrong - only because cruelty was pleasant or useful to him.” Good exists because it is and it can be on its own. Evil doesn't exist because it requires the existence of good in order to be.
This could be an example of what one looks like to be anointed. It’s by way of the Spirit I believe when truth precedes through a vessel. Even through our own. Which is not ours any longer by definition . Paul said he was a slave to Christ. Think about that momentarily. He was a slave to the Son of God. Paul chose to believe God as God chose to reveal Himself. He learned Gods ways along his journey or race of faith. 1 Peter 1:9 says that salvation come at the end of the faith. We must endure unto the end. Allow Jesus to have His way. Yes conform to Him. Help us Lord. Forgive us. Give us an obedient heart in the name of Jesus Christ. And the church said,”amen”.
There's NO cold, only the absence of heat. Evil is only the absence of good! God did not make evil, men have only allowed the absence of good in their lives and therefore they become evil. I love RC Sproul's sermons! He was such a great man. 😊
So, of the thousands and thousands of gods men have invented, you have found the only one true god, and all the other people and gods are wrong? How lucky are you eh? Think about this, they can't all be right, but they can certainly all be wrong.
@@who-lo-lolee-oh1079 I have not seen any evidence that would convince me of the existence of any gods so I have no need for arguments against any of them. Show some evidence and I will give my best argument.
God so loved the world that he actually gave us a free choice. What kind of love would it be if we were forced to marry someone without having the choice to say yes or no. Having the choice of good or evil is God's greatest gift to mankind.
Dr Sproul brought out the true and heavy weight of the problem of evil-a heavy weight that can threaten our belief in a good and all-powerful God. And he shows the only way a believer can ultimately respond-humbly and scripturally.
This is basically why I say to some people I see however far I see both theological and philosophical because by grace I have been able to stand on the shoulders of these great preachers
This man was formative fir many College students in the late 1980's and inspired a steady stream of Seminarians around the world to attend Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary and d Westminster Seminary . I also enjoyed him speaking 25 years ago at 10 th Presbyterian Church in Philly at the PCRT sponsored by ACE. ( Alliance of Confessing Evangelicals). Now speakers are tge next generation ( Phil Ryken, Kevin DeYoung) very inspired talented men.
I miss this great man of God! I will never forget it when he said "What is wrong with you people". He was righteously irritated with the question of a person in the audience. It wasnt the first question that undermined the holiness of God . Some people tend to make a god in their own image. They dont understand the majesty of our triune Lord. They have yet to have that illumination from the Spirit. God is holy holy holy. A wonderful series to learn from is Rc Sproul's "The Holiness of God". It will change your life! Blessing to you........
RC is such a blessing.I’ve learned so much. Could it be that only God can know where Evil come from? Therefore it’s so important we trust in God. Otherwise we fall into the pitfall of either trust in our own arrogance - which can be ‘evil’ in ignorance - or trust in human, the like of communists, who are full of Evil intentions and Evil thoughts - much worse than even our own ignorance or arrogance at the bottom of such pits?
@@franciscodelgado6884 it is very possible and I believe in that. But that also means we take EVIL as an exam question from God, and sit through the exam, rather than query where it came from and then reject the exam, or ask God for an answer.
No...of course not...that would be my choice..... that's where the tree of knowledge comes in ...God gave man choices ...and said ,,the day you eat from it you shall die.....it seems to me that this is the way things had to go....... What happened to creation that man had to die???... and Jesus had to shed his blood ??? This is much bigger than we know....and this is where Faith kicks in....for us to believe without seeing......
i enjoy the disposition of R.C. on every topic he is vastly more intelligent than i as a result of study and a great dedication to the word of GOD as it relates to the human condition that is to say we are a sinful bunch, i expect R.C would never answer question with a simple yes or no, if knowledge is power R.C. is a very powerful man in Christ given a great gift of the understanding of the word of GOD, you can see the joy of understanding and hear it when he speaks, God bless you R.C.
This really made me think and I got so excited thinking "Maybe I will write him and ask him a question too." And then I remembered he has passed over and gone to be with the Lord 😥😊. 😥 For me, but 😊 for him. He is so missed. He has the rest of eternity to understand, in it's fullness, the answer to this most difficult of questions.
Evil or sin which ever one you want to choose wasn't created but set in motion and were do you think it started. RC you've done a master job in explaining thank you for your contribution to the faith.
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21 Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead!
True...nobody knows where evil comes from and how a good God can allow it--it is a great mystery. I appreciate Dr. Sproul's honesty. We just have to trust in God's goodness and providence in this matter. But as mentioned, we see in the Bible that God uses evil for good in many occasions. Joseph tells his brothers "You meant evil against me, but God meant it for good, to bring it about that many people will be kept alive, as they are today." Perhaps God ordains the existence of evil in order to bring about some kind of greater good.
God gave to the angels and to us a free will. Without that thete would be no love. Only something like a watch set and left no choice only ably to do what God says . In love we can choose to love Him.
Wow this Man of God left his mark on Christian Theology as we know it today. My Dad was a Pastor and read many resources by R.C. Sproul,funny how both men are gone to be with The Lord. Amen
Second time through. What would Dr Sproul say about Invisible “evil spirits”? Now I see why he couldn’t hardly begin to answer fully such questions! Up to me to do some independent study!
I'm overwhelmed because there is someone in my life that just will not stop attacking and targeting me. Being at peace with them has proven to not be an option at all. Their behavior is so creepy and obsessive and I am so tired. Please pray for me and that this person will be removed from my life.
Well spoken professor Sproul. One of the greatest theologians of or time. Plus after reading some of comments below, it just goes to show how spiritual dead some people are.
@Shaken not stirred Alright, you gave 6 statements about him, presented as (insulting) fact, with approximately nothing to back them up. Isn't that just a bit ironic of you?
Evil is the absence of good. If you have a room full of darkness and light a candle the darkness instantly moves away from it. But if you have a room full of light and try to bring darkness into it you can't.
Besides Him there is no other. There was no opposite to good before He created it. When there is only light what’s the opposite? Darkness? No there is no opposite. There is just light. He restricted himself to create a space other than Him where such opposites could exist.
@@marlododds1633 Light cannot nessisarly have an opposite. The light comes from God and if the opposite of light truly exists then God isn't one and the world is fundamentally dualistic. Evil must be created as Isaiah says: Who forms light and creates darkness.
Thanks to the kid from Pennsylvania. This is the best off-the-cuff discussion of evil I've ever heard. There just might be something to this Calvinism "dodge" that so many are constantly trying to stamp out as heresy.
Pride is evil. We don’t always choose to be prideful but pride is always present. Not honoring God as He deserves is evil. We never fully honor God - even our righteousness is a filthy rag. Immoral thoughts are evil - we don’t always choose to think evil things (think of the guy that cut you off in traffic, or cut in line at the grocery store) Point is, our natural man is evil. Evil is inherent in man from the time of Adam and Eve. Certain elements of evil are just “there” and not “willful” but we are accountable none the less.
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21 Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead!
@@mitchellc4 I and the father are one.if you have seen me you have seen the father.in beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21 Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead!
@@mitchellc4 see Sam Shamoun youtube channel and if you can you can Skype him. He destroys all the verses that you mention about the divinity of Jesus Christ. He will school you about the Bible.
So beautiful so sensible Soo Godly. A man of God. Truth of God comes through him. He is where he wanted to be, said so. “ I can’t imagine being in the presence of The Holy transcendent majesty of God”. THE LATE RC SPROUL. AMEN GLORY TO GOD IN THE HIGHEST. AMEN
Incredible! The Bible tells us and makes clear where evil came from. It sprang into existence the moment, the second, that Lucifer became proud and envious of God. Instantaneously, immediately, Lucifer's entire being was utterly and thoroughly corrupted. He retained not the tiniest molecule of righteousness and changed from a completely pure, sinless creation into a completely evil, wicked being that desired to usurp his Creator's rightful position and steal His throne. In short -he desired to become God. Have you not ever wondered how a created being could ever be so foolish as to think it could be, or become; greater than the One Who created it? This is what sin does: it completely and thoroughly corrupts both mind and soul -hence Lucifer was able to not only believe stealing the throne possible; but to be something worthy of pursuit! Now, you may wonder; how could God allow evil to exist, to enter into His perfect creation? The reason is because God is both just and fair. He is not a dictator. He does not force sentient beings (the angels and humanity) into obedience. God created the angels and the first two humans (Adam and Eve) with true free will. They were not pre-programmed robots with no choice but to do His bidding. The Bible informs us God is all-knowing and all-wise. It is reasonable to believe God would have thought how things could go in the universe He was considering prior to actually doing so; because we know God is a reasonable being. Scripture indicates this as well, we see it when we are informed: “For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of His glorious grace, which He has freely given us in the Beloved One.” (Ephesians 1:4-6) Lucifer, and the third of the angels who chose to follow him in rebellion; did not catch God unaware nor by surprise. We know the outcome of their foolish choice; they lost their place in heaven, lost their glory; and were hurled to the Earth, here to be kept in gloomy chains of darkness until their Day of Judgement. We know also, how evil came to reside in the hearts of perfectly created humanity. Lucifer used the serpent to speak to and entreat Eve to disobey her Creator by touching and consuming the forbidden fruit. And what was the lure? To become like God. Sound familiar? So too, Adam followed suit, both disobeyed and both were instantly made aware of their nakedness. Both were instantly corrupted. We know the outcome of their folly. They also, lost their idyllic abode, lost their glory and suffered separation from the intimate relationship with their Creator that they enjoyed before. No longer did He come and walk with them in the cool of evening. Furthermore, the Bible informs us that each child born to them possessed a sinful nature, from birth their spirits at enmity with their Creator and outside of relationship with Him. Thus sin and evil spread throughout the entire world, because all sinned. This is where evil came from and how it was allowed to enter Gods perfect creation. Obviously, the story doesn't stop there. Read the Bible to find out The Way our Creator chose to rescue many from the power of evil, to reconcile these into a right-relationship with Himself; and whereby Evil shall finally be destroyed forever.
The comment saying 'mythology' is really true. I know we've all been told how Satan took a third of the angels with him. Did you know that isn't found anywhere in the Bible? Also this idea that Satan at first was perfect, if that's true how come Jesus said that Satan was a liar from the "beginning " not that he became a liar. He was a liar from the beginning. Also, no one ever mentions Isaiah 45:7 where it says " I form the light , and create darkness; I make peace and create (evil)..... people will still try to get God off the hook but they don't need to. God created everything and has never been caught off guard. It also says God declared the end from the beginning . Sounds like he knows all already and evil just happens to be part of his plan for men to become like him. All too often we just reiterate stories that we heard without ever reading it for ourselves. There's a lot of them like "God helps those that help themselves " is not found in scripture In fact God really wants us to depend on him , not be some proud one that says ' I did it all myself'
EXACTLY. HOW COULD THIS MAN NOT KNOW WHERE EVIL CAME FROM? IS HE A MASON? THIS SEEMS VERY VERY ODD! IT'S SUCH AN OBVIOUS REALITY. IT ISN'T ROCKET SCIENCE. IT'S SIMPLE HUMAN INTERACTION. JEALOUSY.... THAT'S HOW IT BEGAN. PERIOD. SATAN JEALOUS OF GOD!
You said "evil began the moment Lucifer became proud, and envious of God". How did evil spread to everyone else around the world, taking into account many countries were not known about ?
If you haven't, check out the documentaries here on YT about RC. He was not born as a follower but has a beautiful testimony and I believe was favored by our Father. Particularly when it comes to how he was able to make his ministry possible. The way the King of the Universe speaks to us through him is just... Idk satisfying. So highly intellectual yet relatable and easy to comprehend along with sharing in our fear and reverence. Praise God for men like this. He IS our Spurgeon. Our Moody.
Psalm 16:1 NIV Keep me safe, my God, for in you I take refuge. ... Psalm 18:30 NIV As for God, his way is perfect: The Lord’s word is flawless; he shields all who take refuge in him.
I met God when I was very young, about 9 years of age. His Words spoken by a man, although I cannot remember what he looked like, the place I stood and the kind of day it was is in my mind to this day after fifty years. I recall, The Word spoken boldly, at a beach site with lots of sunshine and several dozens of people standing around, listening intently. At first my observation was to generate a memory I wanted to recall in latter years, of the look on the face of these people. It was enough that I thought I should remember the provocative concentration of their experience. I wanted to take an image of this look, enough to understand it when I got older, so that I could have a direct perception to associate it with the same Word, later in my life. I remember something inside me pushed me gently toward the crowd, and I remember the man standing on a podium speaking much like a Billy Graham type. Ever since then, I listen to anyone who speaks from the Word of Jesus Christ, enough to realise there is a message behind the spoken Word, as the Word became flesh and I knew of my Savior, personally- then : and it's the same Word being spoken today. Words have not changed, but every time I hear The Word, it is as if I am putting on fresh clothes, after a nice shower or bath. Thank you, Dr Sproul, my intellect of The Almighty has improved because of you.
I can remember the exact place and the event of being born again. I don't remember the date, but I remember the event as if it happened moments ago.. I went from being a non believer to a believer in a matter of a second or two after reading a bible text. I don't believe for a second that this happened of my own free will, or that I did, or could have done anything my self to going from being indifferent to the bible, and Jesus Christ one second, and then knowing that the bible to be the Word of God, and that Jesus is what the bible says he is then next. I was in my twenties, and that happened 4 decades ago, and nothing has changed regarding my faith gifted to me by God.
@@fredflintstone8048 it is Providential brother -- what God does to us is the same experience in the book of John chapter 5 read it in its entirety to understand this meaning. God bless and keep you safe
@@TheLionOfJudahTheLambOfYHWH Yes, and I do understand this. God created a book of life before He made the world: Rev_13:8 and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain. Rev_21:27 But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in the Lamb's book of life. Those are the elect, the ones predestined to eternal life. I made a more in-depth comment about this elsewhere in the comments of this video where someone claimed that salvation is given to human free will choice.
@@fredflintstone8048 Free will is embedded into man's nature, it resides between the mind and the heart , integrated into man's conscience. The conscience is fused (slow blow for feelings and fast blow for emotions) with a moral compass : once the fuse is blown, the conscience immediately (quantitatively) kicks in to guide man's heart . If his heart is made of stone, it defaults to the mind and logic settles in. Salvation , i believe , is a gift that God does not give but He offers us the opportunity . He does not just give it away- anyone who is not seeing the full picture of the actual act . Jesus Christ (His Son) gave up some (JOHN 17:4-6) of His attributes, He veiled His Glory while on earth , otherwise man would not be able to live if he saw God's glory in the truest form. Jesus gave up many things things to come live with us for 33 years. Then, He gave up His life. Man is offered Salvation, but not in vain: it has to be measured unto a man and then offered, so that we are 110% understanding what we are handed. There is much more on this topic, and it is something you may wish to research in Bible study. Reading the Bible is one thing, but understanding every single Word and studying the sentence and paragraphs is what its all about . The Word has to be indoctrinated, as if to say " yes i read the KJ Bible" But do we understand every concept and precept of its meaning. Jesus Christ is included in all 66 books : and if one reads it too fast, you will miss Him. For instance, when God had to make a covering (study the Word "covering" intently) for Adam and Eve because of their sin , resulting in the shame and realization they were naked --- what animal did God sacrifice to make these clothes ? REVELATION 13:8 "...book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world " Jesus is (God forgive me ) was a metaphoric embodiment of The Lamb. God looks at the heart of man ! This is the true meaning, for owning the gift of Salvation offered.
I comments that say we have lost so many great men of God, yes we have but they are in Heaven and we have the resources they left behind to encourage us to hang tuff when the going gets ruff. Romans 10:9
I wished we could see and hear these sermons with him sitting. I have arthritis and bad knees/legs and I go side to side while I'm standing as well. It actually pains me to see him in such discomfort.
I know he is at home with Jesus enjoying His presence this very moment, but we miss RC, don’t we?
Ask yourself
Dawn, we sure do miss him
He died?
Can you know that, or just hope?
@@bjrniversen9008 Can you know anything for certain, or are you self-projecting the bankruptcy of your epistemology?
Every time I listen to this, I'm reminded of the importance of this topic, hearing things that need to be spoken from modern-day pulpits. Praise God for His grace and faithfulness to communicate the same!
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Indeed…..difficult when witnessing for sure.
Why don't you read the Bible and remember it that way
I love how thorough and diligent Dr. Sproul was in covering every possible angle on any topic.
It's fantastic.
Except he didn't hit the real reason which is the rejection by way of a God given free will to accept or deny God
I knew this all along, but RC spells it out for me that I can not miss it: Man has been avoiding responsibility for his actions from the beginning of time.
Yes, the first time things ever went wrong, Adam says "the woman You gave me" and Eve, in turn, says "the serpent deceived me".
I guess God predestined that to happen
Please, God creates evil and if you would read your Bible, you would know that.
JerynToney: And why is it that humans avoid responsibility? Because they can. Because they were created as creatures capable of both accepting responsibility and of denying resonsibility.
Once we understand the laws of the universe created by God, we know that no thing (living or non living) can exceed its design.
Nothing magical or mysterious happened to Adam and Eve that caused them to act as they did. They were, as we are, perfect.....meaning the perfect design God created.
"Perfect," means, as intended by the designer.
God intended and created humans with free will, and unlimited desires to pursue.
Abel desired to please GOD.
Cain desired to please himself.
And both acted on their will.
@mandodelorian4668
And why did things go wrong?
Because God created humans with the capacity to choose every action they take, and every desire they pursue.
Since 1971-72 I have (very much) listened to and read R C's writings...and loved all he has done. To take all the subjects on that which he has done and, for me, always staggered me with his God-given ability to make/enable me to grasp the truth...or even enable me to grasp a part of these things that nobody else ever came close to...or they never even tried to take these monumental questions on. He was very intelligent, yet he would be able to look upon the simplest of us and somehow very gently leave us with things to take away from whatever he was teaching.
I am happy he is in heaven with his God and Savior in complete bliss, though I am still often wanting to see that beautiful face, hear that voice that I never tire of. Thank you Lord for such a man, such a wonderful friend as R. C.
@@wally1452 now RC knows for sure which baptism is right!
Praise God for this humbling and expansive message on sin.
Yes, miss him so much. His preaching/teaching & countenance are incredible blessings from the Most High. Thank you, Lord, for RC & his love for You.
He really took it home in the last ten minutes. Love u RC! All the praise and all the glory be to our perfect God.
Love n miss RC. but thru recordings I'm with him everyday he is my teacher.
RC was a GREAT speaker. No matter the Theological subject, RC can speak fluently about it.
Confident speaker. False doctrine
@@rocketsurgeon1746 ok then ... Where do you say evil comes from
@@billreal76 people rebel with their God given ability to choose. Simple word study in the Bible for "repent" and "choose" will show plenty of verses
What I love about RC is he is honest enough to say He does not know. Not many teachers and preachers do that.
Nobody knows anything much about the bible, I don't know why Christian apologists even bother to try to "understand" it. After centuries of debate and scholars trying to figure it out , still NOBODY knows for sure who wrote it and when it was written.
I always appreciated that about him.
I wish I would've come across this gentleman about 15yrs ago. But that wasnt part of God's plan for me. But I've got his teachings playing constantly now every question I've had with the Bible this man has made crystal clear. He's made my studying so much easier and I can now teach others with more confidence than I had prior. I hope all r.c.'s questions are being explained as I type this.
I’m almost as Catholic as a person can be. But I can’t deny the world is better for having had RC Sproul having lived through it. He’s a titan of the Christian faith. It’s so obvious that he’s a good man. And I grew up a few towns over from ligonier ministries. God bless you Sunny Sproul
What woke me up was getting stuck on the word “sin” and the concept that says “the wages of sin is death” and I realized I did not want to work for evil and therefore DIE, especially when I knew I was born in this body to overcome death - which through Jesus, this has been accomplished, but not by me, but by Christ Jesus, alive in me!
Note to Self on Sept 21, 2021: I wake to find my brief comment has been “highlighted” and I’m glad. Then the thought occurs, what if this whole internet game is just a way for someone to get more $ and there’s only an AI Robot behind all these replies? And I answer my question by wondering if the robots have souls - mind, intellect, and free will? Probably not free will. But their programmers and sponsors do have a soul to suffer the consequences of s I n. Only Jesus who is GOD in the human flesh knows the truth.
@@larainehruby1376 John 3:21, 1 John 1:5-10. John 8:12. Abiding in light manifests truth (good, life), abiding in unlight (darkness) manifests evil (death, disease, sickness, etc). This is the immutable spiritual law in place. Read my post in-progress at the root comments thread.
Amen!
With all due respect Laraine what woke you up was God opening your blind eyes and the work of the Holy Spirit in your life 🙏✝️ this is what enabled a semblance of realisation of your reality, but even then it took more work by God to regenerate you agin your will, that’s what makes one’s conversion so remarkable 🙏✝️
Lovely
Thankful and grateful to the Almighty for using this man to bring us good tidings! Such a blessing to hear and learn theology from a man that has passion in sharing! All glory be unto Him!
All glory be unto God.
This teaching now becomes my primary focus for study. I am a serious student and have an extensive background in actually LIVING what Dr Sproul expounds so eloquently. My way of understanding “sin” is to think of it as an acronym where S stands for selfishness; I stands for ignorance; and N stands for negativity.
How I wish I could talk with this great thinker now, but GOD would have me wait until I’m ready.
Hi
Love how you explained sin
Thank you for this humbling message. To God be the glory.
You seem to be following Bill Johnson and Vlad Vaschuk both are false teachers. Please be careful
This is without doubt the toughest question there is in life. Where did Evil come from!!!
From Satan!
@NtwagaeMoalahi Yes but why???? Satan knew he was a created being and absolutely no match for God, his infinite creator. It's like me declaring war on the entire might of the US military on my own, armed with a water pistol!!! Ehat chance would I have. How does Pride play into that, to say Pride does not explain the why?? How could he have come to such a choice, being a angel if light and close to God.
Very deep question... As God is perfect.. He includes in Him all information from darkest side to holiest.. He isn't dark but he knows the information.. so evil had these tools in him too.. but there couldn't be another "God" as if God creates a god like himself.. it chooses it's own way.. very very deep thing.. that's why God made us not perfect that we need Him.. otherwise our destiny is where evil is.. when we have all the glory..all the power.. we can't basically stay with God... Cause we choose to be on our own.. But that's much much deeper than my text.. but maybe it helped a bit to understand that how PERFECT it is to be NOT perfect hah.. it saves us.. and gives us the LiFE in Jesus
It is the absence of GOd
Hello my fellow humans! I am not saying that I not lacking intelligence, but I have reached an answer for this huge question that R. C. Sproul struggle with. The question is, how did sin came to be? Or where did sin came from? (24:35) this is my understanding; God is eternal. Before the Angels were made, he has existed eternally.
And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.
Therefore, before anything was made, he already had in his master plan to send his Verb to die for our sins.
Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
I believe this explanation my Calvinist brothers and sister will understand it!
Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.
So God sustained the beings that he creates he also can let them fall.
Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Because God is sovereign. Through his Spirit, he keeps his beings, that he creates, standing!
The LORD God is my strength, and he will make my feet like hinds' feet, and he will make me to walk upon mine high places. To the chief singer on my stringed instruments.
So He pulled his Spirit out of Lucifer.
Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
So that is your answer; God determined in our end in order to show his power is mercy and justice!
For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
Peace my fellow humans!
God be praised for the life of Sir. Sproul whose speeches educate us so very much!!!!!!
Incredible
Patient Endurance is required for believers to await God's elimination of evil.
This is a really challenging subject to cover. Thankfully, GOD blessed RC Sproul with the ability to explain it.
Love this man and his teachings.watched his teachings from the 80s and now.
Thank you God for strong men in the faith like RC Sproul. He is missed here but I know he is enjoying heaven and all you have waiting on those that have accepted Jesus Christ as their savior. I am closer to heaven now than I have ever been, and for that too I am thankful.
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
Don't listen to the trolls, gary.
Feels almost a little lonely with our mentors leaving us. Henry Morris I, Duane Gish, Sproul...God gave us so many great examples.
Amen
Faith is the concious suspension of rational thought
God Blessings to doctor RC Sproul and all who provide such teaching... please continue providing more ...✝️🙏
That was absolutely the most awe inspiring, thought provoking deeply spiritually and mentally gripping a talk that I have ever heard. Praise be to the Lord God for a gift as this man of knowledge.
It just popped up in my video suggestions. So glad I took the time.
God Iis Good.
Me too! It just popped up and it was mesmerizing!
Give Mere Christianity by CS Lewis a listen if you have not already.
I have just stumbled across the only man I have found who would understand what God has revealed to me... 'the Un'. When he started to say that I cheered because I felt I had found someone that can grasp this 'perspective' and understand. And I missed him by 2 years. This is a tragedy.
I don't have need of someone to listen to, I need someone that can understand me. And explain how suddenly I'm best described as Hisidic for all intents and 'alignment' purposes.
@@ChrisMusante I'm sorry I don't follow you. What is Hisidic?
This man was just so brilliant. God bless Prof Sproul...wow. the way this discussion is so structure and delivered is just exceptional from beginning to end. He builds a lecture very well and teaches with abundant clarity. ❤
I so love the way RC teaches...he and J Mac are two of my favorite theologians.
do not follow men voice when they are against Jesus voice.
Pop
@@michelhaineault6654 good advice
Neither of those two men are against Christ
@@nomadicrecovery1586 so why are they teaching the trinity of the roman catholic born in 325 nowhere teach in the bible? If you have a verse where Yahweh is saying I AM three different persons? But in my bible Yahweh ALWAYS CLAIM TO BE ONE and there is no other God beside Him.
@@michelhaineault6654 first
The bible DOES teach there were at least two divine powers. And do a real study in the Holy Spirit. Also seems to be YHWH.
And Christ is referred to as YHWW by applying many Old Testament texts to him that can only be YHWH
So immediately something odd is going on
Also Jesus is said to have created everything. All things are for and held together by him
Yet
OT YHWH says he alone was there. No other hand assisted
Something odd going on.
Lots of other reasons why using only the Bible it really does appear that ther could be a triune God
This isn’t made up out of thin air
There is no direct statement of trinity
There doesn’t need to be
The principle need to have an explanation of how God is one God. Yet more than one person is dated to be God. Creator. Etc etc
There is a very good reason the church struggles with this for a long time
The trinity is the conclusion they came up with based on TEXTS
Is it correct ? Seems like
It. But maybe not
But one thing I know
Both sides claim absolute truth
And it isnt that simple
And I’d add this
Say they are wrong
Yet they love God. Have our faith in / believes Christ. Live a Christian life and await Christ’s return
In no way is that AGAINST Christ
There is only so much you can discuss in an hour. I would love to hear a full series on this.
I am so thankful for these teachings!!!
Thank you for uploading this wonderful teachings!!!
Hearing this kind massage i feel like the brothers of first century who hear Pauls preaching.
Oh,God how blessing it is.
Wow!
Even though I had to rewind and a few times, look up the meaning of some words he used, that was the most profound lecture I've ever heard!
Thank you!
That guy that u listen to,dont know jack,all evil come from the fallenig angel called Lucifer,and Lucifer is a spirit,a fallenig that was put out of heaven for his wickedness,and all evil and wickedness come from,the fallenig angel Lucifer,who is called Satan or the devil,or the great red dragon,which those are titles that the fallen angel Lucifer have,but Lucifer is the fallenig angel name is,which all evil come from,and Lucifer the fallen angel,put his evil in men and women,because the devil,who is Lucifer,has the power to get inside of man,and control him,and make man and woman,human bodies do the things that the spirit of the devil,want that human body to do and say,so that man in that video dont know jack,all evil come from Lucifer,the fallenig angel,that tried to take over heaven,with the other angels,that he lied to,that believed him,and the things he told them,and those angels that believed him,they fight against Jesus Christ the spirit,and the other angels in heaven,and lot and got put out of heaven,so evil started in heaven,with the devil,who name is Lucifer,and then the devil who is Lucifer,brought all that evil to the earth to man and woman,and the spirit of the devil,who name is Lucifer,who is a fallenig angel,talked to Eve in the garden of Eden,and caused her to eat,the fruit,off of the tree,of the knowledge of good and evil,and when eve ate the fruit,it did nothing to her,but when Adam ate the fruit,it caused the problem,and gave the devil the power to become the god of this world over man and woman,so the evil,that is in man and woman,on this earth,it all comes from the fallenig angel Lucifer,who is a spirit,and he has different titles that he go by,so dont listen to that guy,because he is not born again,filled with the spirit of Jesus Christ,and if u get filled with the spirit of Jesus Christ,he will show u,and teach u,that all evil and wickedness,come from the fallenig angel,who name is Lucifer
@@LP-un7xoyeh but that still doesn’t answer the question as to the origin of the evil that sprung up in Lucifer before being cast out of heaven.
Bruh you are wrong about RC Sproul, the guys done more than his share of work for Gods kingdom.
If u knew something about the word of god,which is called the bible,u would have read,that the Lord Jesus Christ,who is the spirit,that said that he created good and evil,so it is Jesus Christ the spirit,that created evil,and not the son of god named Jesus,who was a man,and yes there are two named Jesus in heaven,one is the spirit named Jesus,and the other is the son of god named Jesus,so Jesus the spirit created evil,and all the things that your eyes can see and hear,and also what u dont see and hear,Jesus Christ the spirit created it,because Jesus Christ the spirit can do what he want to,so u either go along with Jesus,and do what he want,or go to hell,it is your choice
@LP-un7xo that's amazing! Where do I find this? I've never heard this.
He has his answer today. Praise be to God!
Amen!
I do desire to see you in Eternity, my brother. Thank you for your witness here on earth.
His voice is easy to identify in heaven along with scourby!
This was the most honest but direct answer to evil I have heard, which also presents many mainstream views on evil today that are also addressed and analyzed. Bravo 🙌
Evil comes from "choice"
An good theologian.. Best teacher and needful preacher.. May God bless you sir. 😍
He passed...
@@patcola7335 really! Then I’m sure he is in heaven.
He did his work for the Kingdom of God, hallelujah ✝️
Love Dr Sproul.. funny & informative all at once...
He was on another level! The greatest theologian of the 21st century. God bless this ministry
exactly the moment I am writing the word works in my daily agenda to make a list of works that I need to do for GOD this man speaking said the word works at the exact same time... This happens to me all the time... There are no coincidences... our GOD is great... Our GOD is awesome
Adios from the mountains of Guatemala Lake atitlan... The land of Eternal spring
Synchronicity happens to me constantly. Some minds seem to tune to the background universal information, both the implicate and the explicit modes.
@Carmella D amen sister
We can't work for our salvation.
"Works".." that you need to do for God"?!?!
I'm guessing (and hoping) you are just phrasing your comment wrongly. God doesnt "need" you to do anything.
C.S Lewis writs in Mere Christianity "You can be good for the mere sake of goodness: you cannot be bad for the mere sake of badness. You can do a kind action when you are not feeling kind and when it gives you no pleasure simply because kindness is right; but no one ever did a cruel action simply because cruelty is wrong - only because cruelty was pleasant or useful to him.” Good exists because it is and it can be on its own. Evil doesn't exist because it requires the existence of good in order to be.
He is so knowledgeable . Doesn’t even use notes. What a memory !
This could be an example of what one looks like to be anointed. It’s by way of the Spirit I believe when truth precedes through a vessel. Even through our own. Which is not ours any longer by definition . Paul said he was a slave to Christ. Think about that momentarily. He was a slave to the Son of God. Paul chose to believe God as God chose to reveal Himself. He learned Gods ways along his journey or race of faith. 1 Peter 1:9 says that salvation come at the end of the faith. We must endure unto the end. Allow Jesus to have His way. Yes conform to Him. Help us Lord. Forgive us. Give us an obedient heart in the name of Jesus Christ. And the church said,”amen”.
The Rabbis must be amazed by Dr Sproul's memory! Love RC!
He was an Angel amongst us and He is at Home in the Presence of God.
One of the best teachings on this topic I've heard. God bless you, Dr. Sproul!
There's NO cold, only the absence of heat. Evil is only the absence of good! God did not make evil, men have only allowed the absence of good in their lives and therefore they become evil. I love RC Sproul's sermons! He was such a great man. 😊
My mind is blown. Such a good sermon, with so many deep moments that get me thinking about how awesome God is.
Which God?
@@AlanLow the one true God, but you knew that already.
So, of the thousands and thousands of gods men have invented, you have found the only one true god, and all the other people and gods are wrong?
How lucky are you eh?
Think about this, they can't all be right, but they can certainly all be wrong.
@@AlanLow Yes. You also could be right or wrong. Is this your best argument against a specific God?
@@who-lo-lolee-oh1079 I have not seen any evidence that would convince me of the existence of any gods so I have no need for arguments against any of them. Show some evidence and I will give my best argument.
A few weeks ago I discovered John MacArthur. His explaination of evil is the best I have ever heard.
Yes, his is excellent. John Lennox has some great ones on you tube too
What's his explanation? Thanks
I see MacArthur has a few on the subject. Do you recall which one is the one that your heard?
I've watched both, and both have it wrong.
@@1974jrod Who do you believe has the wisest take on this important subject?
If I fully understood everything about God, His ways and ALL the conundrums and difficulties, I would be equal with God, AND THAT JUST AIN'T SO.
We will have eternity with all those prophets and past men and women
It's absolutely a blessing to know that we have RC to help us grow
In the Holy Spirit evem while he is with our Father in heaven 💙
The only theologian of our day that have a guts to address the very confusing theme of our movement.
Wow amen. Thank you Lord for this message.
God so loved the world that he actually gave us a free choice. What kind of love would it be if we were forced to marry someone without having the choice to say yes or no. Having the choice of good or evil is God's greatest gift to mankind.
I miss brother R.C. so much
Thank you, brother. I praise and thank our LORD for you.
Evil is not an illusion, it is a force to be reckoned with and Exposed. Brilliant teaching.
You didn't pay attention. He says near the beginning that evil is NOT a force, nor anything like it.
Dr Sproul brought out the true and heavy weight of the problem of evil-a heavy weight that can threaten our belief in a good and all-powerful God. And he shows the only way a believer can ultimately respond-humbly and scripturally.
Wow! That was powerful. Thank you for posting this video.
This is basically why I say to some people I see however far I see both theological and philosophical because by grace I have been able to stand on the shoulders of these great preachers
This man was formative fir many College students in the late 1980's and inspired a steady stream of Seminarians around the world to attend Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary and d Westminster Seminary . I also enjoyed him speaking 25 years ago at 10 th Presbyterian Church in Philly at the PCRT sponsored by ACE. ( Alliance of Confessing Evangelicals). Now speakers are tge next generation ( Phil Ryken, Kevin DeYoung) very inspired talented men.
Indeed!
I miss this great man of God! I will never forget it when he said "What is wrong with you people". He was righteously irritated with the question of a person in the audience. It wasnt the first question that undermined the holiness of God . Some people tend to make a god in their own image. They dont understand the majesty of our triune Lord. They have yet to have that illumination from the Spirit. God is holy holy holy. A wonderful series to learn from is Rc Sproul's "The Holiness of God". It will change your life! Blessing to you........
Pardon? How does that explain why He did not seemingly care as much about medieval Jews, @GiGi Is ?
I love the way you explain what evil is; it's NOT-thing.
So untrue. It is the power of darkness/ demon. Shabbat Shalom
darkness is the Lack of light , the cold is the Lack or warnth; Evil is the Lack ofLOVE.
RC is such a blessing.I’ve learned so much. Could it be that only God can know where Evil come from? Therefore it’s so important we trust in God. Otherwise we fall into the pitfall of either trust in our own arrogance - which can be ‘evil’ in ignorance - or trust in human, the like of communists, who are full of Evil intentions and Evil thoughts - much worse than even our own ignorance or arrogance at the bottom of such pits?
God created evil.... it's written in the book of Isaiah
@@franciscodelgado6884 it is very possible and I believe in that. But that also means we take EVIL as an exam question from God, and sit through the exam, rather than query where it came from and then reject the exam, or ask God for an answer.
Isaiah 45 verse 7....God says He created it.....and of course He's the only one that can do that......
@@franciscodelgado6884 so if you’re evil, you blame it on God?
No...of course not...that would be my choice..... that's where the tree of knowledge comes in ...God gave man choices ...and said ,,the day you eat from it you shall die.....it seems to me that this is the way things had to go....... What happened to creation that man had to die???... and Jesus had to shed his blood ??? This is much bigger than we know....and this is where Faith kicks in....for us to believe without seeing......
i enjoy the disposition of R.C. on every topic he is vastly more intelligent than i as a result of study and a great dedication to the word of GOD as it relates to the human condition that is to say we are a sinful bunch, i expect R.C would never answer question with a simple yes or no, if knowledge is power R.C. is a very powerful man in Christ given a great gift of the understanding of the word of GOD, you can see the joy of understanding and hear it when he speaks, God bless you R.C.
Well, I've once read Candide, Voltaire but you've just sent me to read it back again. I wish I could have a quarter of this man's intelligence
R.C Sproul ! Love you brother!
Actually, because R C is NOT DEAD, I am enjoying his sermons very much alive today and forever, GOD is GOOD to have created this Truth to BE so! ♥️
This man is truly a blessing to teach the way he did.
So what is good? Evil cannot be explained without an explanation of what is evil. We know that God is not evil. Thanks for the series.
Thank You, my Lord and my God. How moving is this lecture!
This really made me think and I got so excited thinking "Maybe I will write him and ask him a question too." And then I remembered he has passed over and gone to be with the Lord 😥😊. 😥 For me, but 😊 for him. He is so missed. He has the rest of eternity to understand, in it's fullness, the answer to this most difficult of questions.
Lisa, send your questions to Ligonier Ministries where a wise and Godly staff will be pleased to help with an answer and resources.
@@gregorymiseyko356 Thank you. I'll do that.
Evil or sin which ever one you want to choose wasn't created but set in motion and were do you think it started.
RC you've done a master job in explaining thank you for your contribution to the faith.
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
Um, Isaiah 45:7.... °and create evil°
@@RevansLair The Hebrew word is rà and it’s not referring to sin. It’s referring to calamity and distress.
Please share this brief video with others: Atheists and Agnostics Need This
I agree entirely but have never been able to articulate it quite like this 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
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R.C.s memory, is incredible!
True...nobody knows where evil comes from and how a good God can allow it--it is a great mystery. I appreciate Dr. Sproul's honesty. We just have to trust in God's goodness and providence in this matter.
But as mentioned, we see in the Bible that God uses evil for good in many occasions. Joseph tells his brothers "You meant evil against me, but God meant it for good, to bring it about that many people will be kept alive, as they are today."
Perhaps God ordains the existence of evil in order to bring about some kind of greater good.
He’s not gonna allow it - that’s what judgement day is for .......
God gave to the angels and to us a free will. Without that thete would be no love. Only something like a watch set and left no choice only ably to do what God says . In love we can choose to love Him.
This is my third time to listen. I'm taking notes also. I'm sure I will listen yet again. I will tell others about R.C. and his sermons. 😊
Brilliant! The LIGHT 💡 of TRUTH ♥️
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Wow this Man of God left his mark on Christian Theology as we know it today. My Dad was a Pastor and read many resources by R.C. Sproul,funny how both men are gone to be with The Lord. Amen
An amazing explanation! 'it pleased the Lord to bruise him'" =" Good Friday"
Also He didn't die on a Friday.....
No such thing as good Friday it was created by Satan and his minions
Watching I forget for a minute RC is not here. 😔 Hopefully I will hear him again In eternity.🙏
Second time through. What would Dr Sproul say about Invisible “evil spirits”? Now I see why he couldn’t hardly begin to answer fully such questions! Up to me to do some independent study!
*Excellent and very wise comment!*
I totally trust the *Holy Spirit* for HIS
Divine Revelation.
I'm overwhelmed because there is someone in my life that just will not stop attacking and targeting me. Being at peace with them has proven to not be an option at all. Their behavior is so creepy and obsessive and I am so tired. Please pray for me and that this person will be removed from my life.
God gave you a lot of talent to witness and you do it so well, thank you 🧡💛🧡
GOD GIVEN BRILLIANCE...to stir all of our thoughts and hearts and minds!
Well spoken professor Sproul. One of the greatest theologians of or time. Plus after reading some of comments below, it just goes to show how spiritual dead some people are.
@Shaken not stirred Alright, you gave 6 statements about him, presented as (insulting) fact, with approximately nothing to back them up. Isn't that just a bit ironic of you?
Great teaching from Dr. R.C.
Evil is the absence of good. If you have a room full of darkness and light a candle the darkness instantly moves away from it. But if you have a room full of light and try to bring darkness into it you can't.
I think your missing Sproul's main point. It's not what evil is but what is it's origin.
Besides Him there is no other. There was no opposite to good before He created it. When there is only light what’s the opposite? Darkness? No there is no opposite. There is just light.
He restricted himself to create a space other than Him where such opposites could exist.
Yes you can! It's called a shadow!
@@marlododds1633 Light cannot nessisarly have an opposite. The light comes from God and if the opposite of light truly exists then God isn't one and the world is fundamentally dualistic. Evil must be created as Isaiah says: Who forms light and creates darkness.
@@tstjohn777 Then what say you about its origin?
Thanks to the kid from Pennsylvania. This is the best off-the-cuff discussion of evil I've ever heard. There just might be something to this Calvinism "dodge" that so many are constantly trying to stamp out as heresy.
EVIL= When we choose willingly to go against God
Pride is evil. We don’t always choose to be prideful but pride is always present.
Not honoring God as He deserves is evil. We never fully honor God - even our righteousness is a filthy rag.
Immoral thoughts are evil - we don’t always choose to think evil things (think of the guy that cut you off in traffic, or cut in line at the grocery store)
Point is, our natural man is evil. Evil is inherent in man from the time of Adam and Eve. Certain elements of evil are just “there” and not “willful” but we are accountable none the less.
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
@@mitchellc4 I and the father are one.if you have seen me you have seen the father.in beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God
@@Psalm146-2 but why did God allow pride to exist?
the will IS EVIL and cannot submit to the Spirit
God is sovereign over evil, Amen.
Thank you Jesus 🙏🏼♥️
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
@@mitchellc4 Wrong, He can do whatever He pleases.
@@whoozit775
What?
@@mitchellc4 what about Matthew 12:8, when Jesus claims that He is Lord of the Sabbath. The Lord of the Sabbath is God Almighty.
@@mitchellc4 see Sam Shamoun youtube channel and if you can you can Skype him. He destroys all the verses that you mention about the divinity of Jesus Christ. He will school you about the Bible.
So beautiful so sensible Soo Godly. A man of God. Truth of God comes through him. He is where he wanted to be, said so. “ I can’t imagine being in the presence of The Holy transcendent majesty of God”. THE LATE RC SPROUL. AMEN GLORY TO GOD IN THE HIGHEST. AMEN
Incredible! The Bible tells us and makes clear where evil came from. It sprang into existence the moment, the second, that Lucifer became proud and envious of God. Instantaneously, immediately, Lucifer's entire being was utterly and thoroughly corrupted. He retained not the tiniest molecule of righteousness and changed from a completely pure, sinless creation into a completely evil, wicked being that desired to usurp his Creator's rightful position and steal His throne. In short -he desired to become God. Have you not ever wondered how a created being could ever be so foolish as to think it could be, or become; greater than the One Who created it? This is what sin does: it completely and thoroughly corrupts both mind and soul -hence Lucifer was able to not only believe stealing the throne possible; but to be something worthy of pursuit!
Now, you may wonder; how could God allow evil to exist, to enter into His perfect creation? The reason is because God is both just and fair. He is not a dictator. He does not force sentient beings (the angels and humanity) into obedience. God created the angels and the first two humans (Adam and Eve) with true free will. They were not pre-programmed robots with no choice but to do His bidding. The Bible informs us God is all-knowing and all-wise. It is reasonable to believe God would have thought how things could go in the universe He was considering prior to actually doing so; because we know God is a reasonable being. Scripture indicates this as well, we see it when we are informed:
“For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of His glorious grace, which He has freely given us in the Beloved One.” (Ephesians 1:4-6)
Lucifer, and the third of the angels who chose to follow him in rebellion; did not catch God unaware nor by surprise. We know the outcome of their foolish choice; they lost their place in heaven, lost their glory; and were hurled to the Earth, here to be kept in gloomy chains of darkness until their Day of Judgement. We know also, how evil came to reside in the hearts of perfectly created humanity. Lucifer used the serpent to speak to and entreat Eve to disobey her Creator by touching and consuming the forbidden fruit. And what was the lure? To become like God. Sound familiar? So too, Adam followed suit, both disobeyed and both were instantly made aware of their nakedness. Both were instantly corrupted. We know the outcome of their folly. They also, lost their idyllic abode, lost their glory and suffered separation from the intimate relationship with their Creator that they enjoyed before. No longer did He come and walk with them in the cool of evening. Furthermore, the Bible informs us that each child born to them possessed a sinful nature, from birth their spirits at enmity with their Creator and outside of relationship with Him. Thus sin and evil spread throughout the entire world, because all sinned.
This is where evil came from and how it was allowed to enter Gods perfect creation.
Obviously, the story doesn't stop there. Read the Bible to find out The Way our Creator chose to rescue many from the power of evil, to reconcile these into a right-relationship with Himself; and whereby Evil shall finally be destroyed forever.
I read all that you wrote in the scripture better explain from scripture
The comment saying 'mythology' is really true. I know we've all been told how Satan took a third of the angels with him. Did you know that isn't found anywhere in the Bible? Also this idea that Satan at first was perfect, if that's true how come Jesus said that Satan was a liar from the "beginning " not that he became a liar. He was a liar from the beginning. Also, no one ever mentions Isaiah 45:7 where it says " I form the light , and create darkness; I make peace and create (evil)..... people will still try to get God off the hook but they don't need to. God created everything and has never been caught off guard. It also says God declared the end from the beginning . Sounds like he knows all already and evil just happens to be part of his plan for men to become like him. All too often we just reiterate stories that we heard without ever reading it for ourselves. There's a lot of them like "God helps those that help themselves " is not found in scripture
In fact God really wants us to depend on him , not be some proud one that says ' I did it all myself'
@Doctor Bodhi
You are silly
EXACTLY. HOW COULD THIS MAN NOT KNOW WHERE EVIL CAME FROM? IS HE A MASON? THIS SEEMS VERY VERY ODD! IT'S SUCH AN OBVIOUS REALITY. IT ISN'T ROCKET SCIENCE. IT'S SIMPLE HUMAN INTERACTION. JEALOUSY.... THAT'S HOW IT BEGAN. PERIOD.
SATAN JEALOUS OF GOD!
You said "evil began the moment Lucifer became proud, and envious of God". How did evil spread to everyone else around the world, taking into account many countries were not known about ?
Absolutely excellent! I was recently thinking on the subject, thank you
W😢😍www. So deep. Profound. And where were his notes during it all? What a humble, wise answer to the big question🙏🏽
@@dull_christian ahh a stand😄that part's solved^^
If you haven't, check out the documentaries here on YT about RC. He was not born as a follower but has a beautiful testimony and I believe was favored by our Father. Particularly when it comes to how he was able to make his ministry possible. The way the King of the Universe speaks to us through him is just... Idk satisfying. So highly intellectual yet relatable and easy to comprehend along with sharing in our fear and reverence. Praise God for men like this. He IS our Spurgeon. Our Moody.
An entertaining and honestly inadequate attempt at reconciling the existence of Evil in a Universe governed by an ultimate Good.
Humans are hardwired /created with an ever expanding mind & curiosity....
Psalm 16:1 NIV
Keep me safe, my God,
for in you I take refuge.
...
Psalm 18:30 NIV
As for God, his way is perfect:
The Lord’s word is flawless;
he shields all who take refuge in him.
Best answer I've heard to this question of the source of evil.
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I believe he is Resting in Christ and I thank God for his teaching
I met God when I was very young, about 9 years of age. His Words spoken by a man, although I cannot remember what he looked like, the place I stood and the kind of day it was is in my mind
to this day after fifty years. I recall, The Word spoken boldly, at a beach site with lots of sunshine and several dozens of people standing around, listening intently. At first my observation was to generate a memory I wanted to recall in latter years, of the look on the face of these people. It was enough that I thought I should remember the provocative concentration of their experience. I wanted to take an image of this look, enough to understand it when I got older, so that I could have a direct perception to associate it with the same Word, later in my life. I remember something inside me pushed me gently toward the crowd, and I remember the man standing on a podium speaking much like a Billy Graham type. Ever since then, I listen to anyone who speaks from the Word of Jesus Christ, enough to realise there is a message behind the spoken Word, as the Word became flesh and I knew of my Savior, personally- then : and it's the same Word being spoken today. Words have not changed, but every time I hear The Word, it is as if I am putting on fresh clothes, after a nice shower or bath.
Thank you, Dr Sproul, my intellect of The Almighty has improved because of you.
I can remember the exact place and the event of being born again. I don't remember the date, but I remember the event as if it happened moments ago.. I went from being a non believer to a believer in a matter of a second or two after reading a bible text. I don't believe for a second that this happened of my own free will, or that I did, or could have done anything my self to going from being indifferent to the bible, and Jesus Christ one second, and then knowing that the bible to be the Word of God, and that Jesus is what the bible says he is then next. I was in my twenties, and that happened 4 decades ago, and nothing has changed regarding my faith gifted to me by God.
@@fredflintstone8048 it is Providential brother -- what God does to us is the same experience in the book of John chapter 5 read it in its entirety to understand this meaning.
God bless and keep you safe
@@TheLionOfJudahTheLambOfYHWH Yes, and I do understand this. God created a book of life before He made the world:
Rev_13:8 and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.
Rev_21:27 But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in the Lamb's book of life.
Those are the elect, the ones predestined to eternal life. I made a more in-depth comment about this elsewhere in the comments of this video where someone claimed that salvation is given to human free will choice.
@@fredflintstone8048 Free will is embedded into man's nature, it resides between the mind and the heart , integrated into man's conscience. The conscience is fused (slow blow for feelings and fast blow for emotions) with a moral compass : once the fuse is blown, the conscience immediately (quantitatively) kicks in to guide man's heart . If his heart is made of stone, it defaults to the mind and logic settles in.
Salvation , i believe , is a gift that God does not give but He offers us the opportunity . He does not just give it away- anyone who is not seeing the full picture of the actual act . Jesus Christ (His Son) gave up some (JOHN 17:4-6) of His attributes, He veiled His Glory while on earth , otherwise man would not be able to live if he saw God's glory in the truest form. Jesus gave up many things things to come live with us for 33 years. Then, He gave up His life.
Man is offered Salvation, but not in vain: it has to be measured unto a man and then offered, so that we are 110% understanding what we are handed. There is much more on this topic, and it is something you may wish to research in Bible study. Reading the Bible is one thing, but understanding every single Word and studying the sentence and paragraphs is what its all about . The Word has to be indoctrinated, as if to say " yes i read the KJ Bible" But do we understand every concept and precept of its meaning. Jesus Christ is included in all 66 books : and if one reads it too fast, you will miss Him.
For instance, when God had to make a covering (study the Word "covering" intently) for Adam and Eve because of their sin , resulting in the shame and realization they were naked --- what animal did God sacrifice to make these clothes ? REVELATION 13:8 "...book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world " Jesus is (God forgive me ) was a metaphoric embodiment of The Lamb.
God looks at the heart of man ! This is the true meaning, for owning the gift of Salvation offered.
I comments that say we have lost so many great men of God, yes we have but they are in Heaven and we have the resources they left behind to encourage us to hang tuff when the going gets ruff. Romans 10:9
I wished we could see and hear these sermons with him sitting. I have arthritis and bad knees/legs and I go side to side while I'm standing as well. It actually pains me to see him in such discomfort.
It might be that s/he is concentrating so intently that s/he does not feel pain so intensely; indeed, maybe even not at all.
@@melvinshelton8448 It’s clearly HE.
Everytime an artist make something social and intelligent it has artistic integrity. That only possible in a created universe.