I was born in an exclave but parents moved us to Hong Kong when I was a child. Grew up attending English-language schools and never learned Cantonese (I speak Mandarin though). Never felt at home there and tbh didn't like it much. We moved back to the States when I was 18 and I'm never moving overseas again. Likely staying in the exclaves
Enclave, but lived in Cinci for work. Was sad to see how much exclave Asians sought validation from non-Asians & thought it was a badge of honor to have them as friends. It was hilarious to me how surprised they were when I was able to fit in there. It's not like we don't have other ethnicities or follow sports in the enclaves lol. Another thing was being Americanized. Dude we don't have to be Americanized to be American lol. Also, the denial... they all say, "group X accepts me." But from an outside perspective, it was just like that one white guy in the group of Asians who all the Asian ppl joke about his infatuation w/ being Asian. It sucks that they grew up having to be ashamed of being Asian, but you're Americanized, so go deal with your trauma in therapy.
I’m an Asian American who grew up in multiracial neighborhoods. I am able to understand the issues my friends of other races deal with and I don’t dismiss them because I’ve seen firsthand the issues they go through. I know Asians who grew up in an all-Asian area tend to be very dismissive of issues they don’t experience. They’re awkward around different types of people. And are very likely to engage people based on their race first rather than who they are as people. Asians who grow up in those areas tend to see other types of people as different and will not be willing to see others as people they can share progress with and are more likely to be racially self interested/motivated. Also those who grew up in enclaves tend to have more money and aren’t willing to understand working class Asian Americans. Moving into an enclave often times took money for my family and we couldn’t afford after like a year so there’s that.
@@abandonedfragmentofhope5415 There are large cities with a good percentage of Asian that can be called enclave, but are overall multiracial and plurality white. They can have a whole range of socioeconomic levels for all races, including Asian, and within Asian ethnicities, too. Not all enclaves are affluent, and some have working to lower middle class Asians. There are neighborhoods and schools within large cities that can be called enclave.
I’m Chinese American born and raised in NY. Growing up I felt like an outcast and didn’t belong, unless it was just family friends my mom befriended. I even experienced bullying from kids that look just like me. Once my family and I moved to New England, it was a cultural shift. Especially in school because everyone was Italian or Irish. I felt like an outsider at first. Overtime I got use to it, got along with everyone, and made some friends. What I didn’t know about New England is that we have a large population of Cambodians, Laos, Thai, and Vietnamese spread out. I’ve met a lot of South East Asians and they’re the closest thing I’ve felt in terms of me finding my tribe. I’ve also been included in African groups and latinos. To me, it all boils down to respecting each other.
@ I did. I’ve been invited to play video games, go to the movies, sometimes I’ll have the chance to eat dinner with them. I’ve been invited to birthdays and graduation parties once I finished hs. My sister did too. Both me and her assimilated, we didn’t have a choice. Especially when there weren’t any Asian students. I don’t regret those experiences and am grateful for it because I would have easily been more isolated if we never moved.
Are you full Chinese, and are you Cantonese or other Southern Chinese? I feel Southern Chinese can sometimes relate to Southeast Asians more. There was a Southern Chinese posting in the comments on Fung Bros(?) channel about how much he likes SEA culture. Fung Bros seems closest to SEAs such as Vietnamese, with Richie as their former "sidekick," and they interviewed a Viet American comedian not long ago. Their dad is from HK, and their mom grew up partly in HK I think, so they have some Southern-ish in them. Also, at least for a previous generation, many HK and other Southern Chinese immigrants were working class or lower middle class, going against Chinese stereotypes, and that makes them mesh with the stereotypical SEAs more. Did you look different from other Chinese Americans, like are you mistaken for Filipino or other SEA?
They key point of what you said is the last sentence. Respect. However, you'll find that many times that there is an unbalanced power dynamic between asians and blacks/whites. They tend to feel superior and see you and your culture as exotic and inferior. Obligatory not all, but I'd say most. It's better to be within asian circles, but that isn't without downsides either.
I'm a black guy who doesn't relate to the hood and/or black people who only want to be around other black people. Just to clarify, I'm not uncomfortable in an all black setting. There's a certain mentality that I find off-putting. I don't know what this makes me but I couldn't care less if I'm the only black person at a restaurant or an event. If I see confederate flags and other indicators that this isn't for me, I take my leave. Other than that, I honestly couldn't care less.
If you didn't grow up in a ghetto ("... a part of a city in which members of a minority group are concentrated, especially as a result of political, social, legal, religious, environmental or economic pressure.") and grew up in the 'burbs, in a basic, nuclear family, with one or both parents working white collar jobs, it's not surprising. In some instances, individuals just don't fit the mold, even if they did.
Yeah, you're just normal. I'm Asian American and am the same way. In fact I don't have one close Southeast/East Asian friend. Growing up in Queens, NY most of my friends are Black, Latino, Arab, Indian or Italian. I look like a complete corporate, clean cut Asian guy with glasses, but inside I am extreme 90s Queens hip hop. That's just who I am and how I was raised. Socialization defines your identity, not your race.
I think that’s all normal . I am from China 5 years ago . I don’t like Chinese Chinese. If we have no friends that’s bad in my opinion . If we have other friends , means we don’t like one culture , that’s fine
@MrDMC11889...And by ''black'' i assume you mean so called ''Black Americans'' ? Or do you mean being also in a setting with let say Jamaicans, Nigerians, Haitians, Barbadians, Tanzanians, Kenyans because they are all different in their cultures, norms and values. I personally dont like the term ''black'' because it doesnt mean anything and is just a psuedo-socio-political label based on a some color racial cast system. You dont see Asians say i ''yellow people or yellow neighberhood or yellow hood or anything like that.
I'm a mixed Asian girl and I grew up in a suburb of Seattle, so in a way, I grew up in a semi-enclave. I grew up with my mom who is white but she always made sure I stayed in touch with my Asian culture and Seattle is great for that. Most of my friends growing up were Asian or mixed Asian, so we went out to boba, had pho, dim sum, etc. I eventually went off to a very white college and that was the first time I was like whoah, I'm Asian AF. For the first time, a lot of people viewed me as 100% Asian and hadn't really met many mixed people. Then I went to grad school at a very, very Asian school and felt very out of place there. All the Asian Americans grew up with Asian families who were mostly immigrants, only went out to Asian clubs, etc. Now I'm back in Seattle and have a new appreciation for it. I really want to raise a family here because my kids will be Asian and I want them to have a location where they don't feel like they stand out like a sore thumb, but also have access to other cultures.
I think every Asian should live outside the enclave for a period in their lives. Living in any bubble makes you complacent and stagnant. And we all need to push our limits if we want to grow. You can always return to the enclave in the future to enjoy the peace, comfort, and culture.
“Enclaves Asians” are the ones who are building the Asian American Culture in America. Exclaves are just assimilating into other cultures. I believe Enclaves Asians are important to the future of Asian American. Without a strong culture social structure, youre just constantly seeking validations from other groups. That doesnt mean that we should make friends with only people of our ethnicity. Letting it happen naturally is more authentic than trying to go out of your way to be a part of a group that’s different. Like Im not going to go out of my way to be apart of a white group or a black group. If we cross paths and vibe than its all good. The latter seems weird as hell. If youre talking about interacting with people from other walks of life, we do that every day with working and commuting in our daily lives.
I'm a Japanese-American who grew up in a white neighborhood in SoCal, and as a kid, most of my friends were actually Portuguese. I never really felt out of place, and I grew up in the late '60s and the 1970s. Most of the original generation of Japanese-Americans did not grow up in Japanese enclaves, because after being released from the WW2 internment camps, most were forced to make their way wherever they could. TBH, I never thought about wanting to be more Americanized or not. And I didn't relate much to the few other Asians, including the few other 3rd-generation Japanese-Americans in my general area. I have my own personality and confidence. The people I relate to are based on compatibility; personality, interests, values, etc., not based on race or ethnicity. In my 20s, I lived in Taiwan from the '80s into the '90s, and I did fine there. I didn't experience very much bullying as a kid; surprising, considering that I didn't grow up around other Asian-Americans. There are other places in the States that I do know would have been much worse if I had grown up there.
I don't relate to Irvine Asians 😂 They claim to be Asian but have names like Kyler, only speak English, and their idea of authentic Asian food is Panda Express 😂
I didn't fit in with my local enclaves so growing up was really rough on my self-esteem. I'm well into my adult life and still trying to find it as an asian man to be honest.
Same with me. I've found that Asians who don't fit in with local enclaves have whiter interests from reading/watching things in English that are primarily Western, at least for the older generation that isn't into kpop or anime. They don't fit in with other enclave Asians, so they don't develop their vibe and interests. Immigrants who don't interact with other immigrants can develop whiter interests too, if they're fluent in English. They don't take on the stereotypical Asian parent values and interests if they don't interact with other Asian immigrant parents.
@@Signe99Why is it considered white interests instead of American interests? I’m genuinely asking. I struggle to understand the Asian Americans experience as a Black American.
Growing up not in an enclave … I actually have the opposite perspective than the comment. I appreciate how asian enclaves don’t need larger American/white approval and want to do their own thing.
Same, I didn't grow up with large Asian community. I had to act white or hold my tongue when I noticed things that are normal to them but weird to an outsider but after college I'm glad to be more immersed in that community. It didn't feel like I was immersed in diversity before but learning to hide what I really am.
But it's usually the Asians who don't live in enclaves break into the American mainstream that gives Asian-Americans representation in the media. Also the cool Asian-Americans tend to be from non enclave backgrounds. It all comes down to having social skills being able to maneuver through different types of people.
@@hangten1904by acting white, they mean upholding white American values. Like emphasizing small talk and sports culture that is not found in East Asian cultures
Same goes to Asian Americans and Asian Asians. Coming to the states as an international student, I never felt welcomed while meeting with other Asian American students, which is total fine. At the end of the day, those who want to leave their comfort zone are very few. We all living in our own bubbles.
as a asian american who can speak both mandarin and cantonese. read and write fluently. I feel the same about international students to me. these days I just spend time with the chinese elders but not young kids
That's because the _de facto_ religion of the the US is COOL-ism. You have to be cool ... you gotta look cool ... act cool ... talk cool ... behave cool ... think cool ... feel cool ... exude coolness. You must "Keep up with the Joneses" by driving a cool, new, sleek, flashy CAR; and have a cool, s_____ girlfriend/boyfriend . . . (otherwise, you're be looked down upon as a nerd, loser, a failure, a nobody).
Tbh a lot of Asian Americans have superiority complex over those from Asia itself, it's something taught to us by our parents but also by white dominated American society because we don't want to be associated with being foreign and icky. Idk if you'll do the same to your kids if you have them in the states, but I certainly hope not. It messed up generations.
As an exclave Asian person who regularly went to the enclaves, the only benefit of being in an exclave is seeing other people for who they really are good or bad, and realizing I'd rather be around other non self hating Asian people cuz I don't feel like I gotta put up an act one way or another, and I don't feel paranoid. I don't feel like if something goes wrong, the whole of society is against me and there would be some type of actual justice.
How about this? As one of the few Asian-Americans in my school, I grew up in an exclave in the Bay Area, moved to LA for college & work, then after 15 years moved back to my hometown which has now become an enclave. Can anybody relate to that? I like a lot of the new Asian restaurants that have opened since I was gone but miss some of the non-Asian ones too. There’s only so much boba one can drink in life, lol.
As an Asian American dad, I choose to raise my kids in an Asian enclave because in their high school, Asian Americans were leaders in every club and sport. When there are football players and the prom king/queen are Asian, I feel they are less likely to have a feeling of inferiority/chip on the shoulder that exclave Asians often have. I hope it will give my kids more confidence and the freedom to pursue any activity they want without feeling limited by stereotypes.
It’s interesting. My students in Hawaii had a Japanese American teacher from California and they called her “Haole” because she talked like a Haole (white) person and they never accepted her as Asian per se. The students in Hawaii have a distinction, local or outsider. Hawaii has its own culture. It’s very different from California.
@@casper-z9rkls6gl It’s a tragedy that the Hawaiians are relocating to the mainland US. The rising cost of real estate is from foreign investors. An average house is one million now. Crazy! A lot of Chinese from China are buying property now.
Hawaii born and raised. Castle grad 92. Mixed asian ancestry (mom: Chinese Japanese Hawaiian). Fact is there is a difference between someone who has been raised in the "culture" and someone who hasn't. It's been awhile but one of the terms I've heard "adopted" or "western" raised "asians" outside of the "culture" was "twinkie" - "Yellow" on the outside "white" on the inside. For me I tend to relate more to people from cultures that exist like Hawaii which is a mixed culture that is heavily influenced by "asian" influences but also other cultures, like various Polynesian cultures as well as the "haoles" so it's not really accurate to say Hawaii is purely "asian". I think the "asian" culture in Hawaii is a bit different from "asian" cultures like those from the various "homelands" like china, japan, etc. etc. At least based on those I met who were raised in those places.
Grew up in Temple City and Arcadia back in the 80s, it was an exclave back then. Monterey Park was the enclave. Crazy how things have changed. Biggest difference i found was the enclave Asian guys weren't as outgoing about dating other ethnicities or races and the way they approached girls was certainly a little more introverted (back in the 90s). Felt i was more outgoing and confident in those situations.
I am Mexican-American and can relate as I had grew up in a exclave in Ojai, CA and moved to San Francisco for school and work and met a variety of peoples over the years. now I am back with my family and that have moved to Santa Maria, CA and it’s a Mexican-Latino enclave and i know how to socialize with many peoples outside of my culture in English and can socialize with other Mexicans and Latinos in Spanish if they are primarily Spanish speakers. The circle is complete and now I feel at peace!
Same, I don't really relate to other Asians much since I grew up in a small MA town that was mostly Irish and Italian. I enjoyed my hometown and I never felt left out of anything
I’m still living in Asian areas. Moved around in Southern California and always moved back to an Asian city. My Chinese language skills hasn’t improved, but I’m surrounded by Chinese and Koreans and some Japanese and Philippinos.
As an exclave Asian that moved to Asian enclave city, I basically am playing catchup in karaoke, izakaya or pocha culture and going to festivals with other Asians. I think I would have preferred an enclave childhood and an exclave college life.
I’ve noticed that there a lot of Asian suburbs (especially in California) where the binary isn’t Asian/White but Asian/Latino. Even San Gabriel in the 626 feels like this. Garden Grove, San Jose and a lot of SF East Bay suburbs (San Leandro is a good example) are like this. Elmhurst is the best example I can think of in NYC.
Yeah, I'm in the East Bay too, and SL does have that feel to it. I never realized how Asian SL was until I went to Washington Manor Park in the morning to play pickleball. Every single person there was East Asian, not to mention all of the tai chi and Chinese dance classes going on throughout the park. And of course you'd see your random smattering of Latinos doing their BBQs and whatnot.
enclave upbringing is amazing to understand and not feel unnecessary racial shame. enclave living in california is intimately connected with suburbia (the academic term is ethnoburb) and you can certainly outgrow suburban living and therefore also outgrow the ethnic enclave. doesn't mean you lose its positive influence on you, but it does impede on your ability to befriend and maintain relationships with others of the same background who exclusively buy in to the suburban lifestyle. people in the suburbs are generally in the mindset of settling down, regardless of their age, and that doesn't fit everyone. so for those of us who are more adventurous, we may leave the enclave, but we don't lose our enlightened racial identity either + can hang in diverse environments or asian-only environments, and be fine in both.
As a native Asian girl from Asia (Okinawa, Japan), I’ve lived in both exclave (Washington state) and enclave (Hawai’i) type of environments and even when I lived in the exclave I still gravitated towards other Asians, but nothing beats living in the enclave and Asia for me haha. The only other state I’d live in is California because it has similar demographics to Hawai’i being very Asian and non-white.
It depends. Only east Honolulu is an Asian enclave. The rest of Hawai'i is mostly tough Locals/Pacific Islands . . . ua-cam.com/video/zG0YEI8aIm8/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/RO_Vfv99WSQ/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/CclQ6CD3fuA/v-deo.html&ab_channel=KHON2News
What attracts you to other Asians? is it like a psychological safety net for you? Do you just feel unable to survive without other Asians? I find insular groups to be a little weird, but Asians actively exclude non-Asians in most of their groups. White people do this less, unless they are rich or something.
Being exposed to other enclaves, but still having enough of your own enclave to lean in if you really want to, is the sweet spot. Grew up as a Fil-Am in South Florida adjacent to many other immigrant enclaves (e.g. Cubans, Jamaicans, etc.) and learned to get along with everyone. There were enough Asians spread out between Miami, Broward and Palm Beach counties that the dating pool wasn't so limited (although you were probably connected by two or three degrees), but far from the scale of California cities where Asians are a commodity. Now that I'm raising a family in Chicago, I'm grateful my kids interact with other immigrant enclaves (e.g. Polish, Mexicans, etc.), while also having proximity to different Asian cultures where we feel very comfortable (i.e. we live down the street from Seafood City and 15 min to a Super Hmart so we are very deliberate to stay near other Asians). The kids' classrooms are so diverse that there isn't a racial majority. This is in stark contrast to my Asian friends who are raising kids in predominantly white areas (Ohio, Tennessee, etc.); their kids have trouble connecting with other kids, and they (the parents) have trouble connecting with other parents, due to a sense of (either real or perceived) "othering". I think I just prefer immigrant communities/enclaves because that's what I'm used to. One group that's been harder for me to connect with is white people who are several generations-removed from their status as immigrants. An effect of always being around other immigrants is that the white people I connect best with are either recent immigrant European (e.g. Poland, Ukraine, etc.) or Jewish. I think pushing out of your comfort zone is admirable, no matter if you come from an Asian enclave or not. As a parent though, I'd choose a major city that has enough Asians to feel seen, but also has enough other minorities/immigrants. An Asian enclave might not have the variation of experiences I'm looking for.
Went to undergraduate in Nevada for Engineering and my classes were like 90% White Male and like 5% Asian but when I moved to Michigan for Engineering Graduate school my classes were mostly International students like 10% American, 25% Chinese, and like 65% Indian. It is interesting that when I worked after my department was similar demographic but when I switch to another Engineering department in same company it was more diverse and less Asian.
Interesting topic. I'm one of those OG Boat people. I came here in the 80's and grew up in Glendale, CA. Back then, we had a mixed community. All races were represented. It was a comfortable experience. I was not picked on because I was Asian. I had friends from all groups. I later moved to Rosemead because the housing was more affordable, and by that time, Glendale had become an Armenian town. It wasn't the same when the town became dominated by one culture. Being exposed to the different cultures allow me see America as a much more promising place, a place where everybody has an opportunity to succeed, a place to learn from the different cultures. It gave me an open mind and not look at or judge people because their skin tone.
I’m chinese and I’m more mid west country married a white girl. Grew up in cali and moved to Colorado. Like all things in life there is good and not so good.
@@britneyt9253 The food and the warm weather and the beach, that’s what you’ll miss. Diversity is getting better but not even close to ca, but it’s quiet and safe. It’s like Sacramento but with a lot more snow.
My first friends ever in pre-school were black and white . Fred and Diandre , I hope you guys are doing well . Half the people i interacted with were black hispanic and white because i played sports a lot growing up. Was even the only non-black kid on a community center basketball team lol. Honestly, this help me in life to interact with other ethnicities and explore different cultures. When i interact with those asians from wealthy neighborhoods and hang around others like them only its kinda weird sometimes
Born and raised in Philly where I was one of a handful of asians in my public school. I always had Asian American friends through social activities (church/orgs/etc), but I was always hyper aware that a majority of my classmates/peers could never really understand being a minority or the stark differences in cultural values. I eventually moved to NYC where there were way more asians, and developed a tight circle of just asian american friends and eventually met my wife (1st generation asian). More recently I moved to the San Gabriel Valley area and I can kind of see the bubble that everyone is talking about, but I hang out mostly with 1st generation immigrants rather than the ABCs, so I haven't seen too much of it since most immgrants have had to hustle and be studious (for the most part) to come to the states. For the west coast ABC socal asians I have met, it strikes me as a luxury to never needing to question your identity, family, culture, and perpetually feeling like you don't belong in this country. I went to NYC because it was more asian/diversity hub and it drove me to career hustle, challenge the bamboo ceiling, and seek excellence because I was forced to as a minority -both because society expected that and since my family hammered those values. People seem pretty content being in their SGV bubble, which is nice, but this country is a big place with so many different kinds of people, and It would be shame not at least try to see how others live - I'm sure we can be the better for it.
I grew up in the 626 Asian enclave Monterey Park. I am half Chinese/half white. My friends growing up were a good mix of various Asian and Latino kids. I feel lucky to have grown up in my hometown.
There such thing as Asian enclave and diversity at the same time. I was raised in the seattle area. We have high diversity but big Asian community as well. You can shuffle between the both of them.
Latino guy who likes the podcast. Especially the Latino and Asian episodes. I went to a few Malaysian gatherings recently in Florida and I actually really liked it because I felt really welcomed. I knew I was an outsider but it wasn't a terrible feeling like in maybe somewhere else.
I'd be curious to know where he lived. I lived in rural northeast Iowa in the 70s and 80s. I identify more with Henry Cho's stories than just about anyone else's.
Engaging topic. I grew up in Bayside-Flushing in the late 60s-80s when it was still predominantly middle-class white. Flushing was more diverse than Bayside back then. I went to elementary school with 5 Asians including myself and my sister in the entire school. I definitely was made by others to feel different even though I was born in NYC. Back then it was assimilate, whitewash yourself, try not to stand out to survive. In my opinion, that was and is the Asian way whereas other minorities seem to assert their diversity more and demand acceptance.
I have a coworker that says he wishes he was Asian so he could date Asians. I told him 'you can still date Asians' and he said "nah, Im good." Im still confused. I dated Asians. What am I not getting?
Allow your souls to guide you to where you're meant to be and meant to experience whether there are lots of Asians around or not. Be brave enough to venture out to the known & unknown places w an open heart and mind. Everywhere is filled w potential for growth. Asian foods are the best though, I'm bias I don't care....lol.
Exclave girl, raised in South FL where it’s predominantly Latin though I live in a city where it’s mostly Jewish. Grew up around other Jews & accepted for the most part by the community. Only Asians I know are my Family & their friends & never felt accepted. I’m not petite or soft spoken like our stereotype & apparently that makes me the Black Sheep amongst the Asians or at least with the ones I know.
I'm Latino and from Florida and I actually don't relate to most Latinos very well but that's okay. Sometimes I wish I could speak Spanish better but shout out to Asians in the US because I do think their cultures are interesting. What do you think of Latino food? If it's okay to ask.
Southern asian here. Also interesting to note that I pulled way more white chicks in the rural south than when I moved to LA/Bay area. In fact you can see way more AMWF couples on the east coast. Makes me wonder wtf did the asians do here to fuck up their rep . 😂
@@jmgonzales7701 Asians get more respect on the west coast, only if you're born and raised on the west coast though. It also rlly depends where. Norcal is completely cooked for asian guys. Socal is a lil better, but not too many AMWF couples. NYC has by far the most AMWF couples. As for the south. There were no asian girls for me to date, so I ended up with a lot of blonde hair blue eyed white girls. I have no idea how a typical sheltered/uncultured west coast asian guy would fare. I am a 190lb 15% bodyfat 5'10 asian guy so a lot of white girls gave me the chance. For white girls, all you have to do is make them laugh. They aren't nearly as superficial as west coast asian girls.
TLDR White girls/East Coast girls care alot about personality traits. Leadership > Humor > Confidence > Kindness (In that order) They are more likely to overlook more superficial things.
So true. I'm Chinese and I live in Tennessee my whole life and I didn't live around other Chinese and Asians and I don't fit with the Asian crowd. Only Chinese and Asians I grew up with are the ones that went to my church. Which was a predominantly white church.
I feel for that story. I grew up not being in touch with a lot of asian cultures and always felt inferior in some way, like I didn't belong. I just went on with life learning to diversify my social life, hobbies, and activities. As I grow older I feel a lot of comfort being around enclaves for sure.
As a Black woman who grew up learning Mandarin and from a city that has a lot of diverse enclaves, I actually felt quite comfortable in the enclaves. It gave me some reprieve from a white majority and all that comes with that sometimes.
As a Black American, I enjoy you all's content. If African-American talked about this on their YT channel, they would get a lot of heat. It's like we can't be free. But it's nice to know my Asian-American brothers and sisters can be free among their own kind and not catch racism from the OTHER RACIAL group (hint, hint).
I grew up in the 626 in the 80s and went to a school that was predominantly white and Hispanic. I guess I considered myself growing an exclave. Then I moved to a more diverse area in LA and continued to have a diverse group of fiends. But the last decade or so, my social circle started to be predominantly Asians. Then I moved back to the 626 area and found it quite fascinating. Now I don’t even care to relate to the exclave Asians or non-Asians.
Grew up in the Bay Area and have been living in Ohio for the last 7 years. Growing up in an enclave made me comfortable in my own identity, since everyone around me was the same and felt that same pride. When I left, I think it allowed me to feel comfortable in who I am without the need to morph into someone I’m not, for the sake of fitting into a group where I truly was the minority. I’ve also gotten to experience life outside a bubble, and truly I’ve grown immensely from it. But, I also think many of us who leave recognize there’s a time to go back, which is kinda where I’m at now
I am established in Asia and I am deeply tied there. I have been established in the US and also deeply tied in the US. I frequently travel - so do my family and my husband. This lifestyle is done without being very privileged. Most enclave Asians, if they have been to a good university and have good jobs, are independent and happy, just like everyone else who achieved roughly the same things. If anything else only the unhappy enclaved Asians I've met harbor the most suspicion about the way I live. They included Australian and European Asians. No Asians Asians (completely native Asians) nor any other groups in the US have any doubt how I came to live this way and they are actually surprised I live a multicultural life because I blend in into both. I think enclave Asians do have a tendency to make assumptions and are conditioned to think a certain way. They are likely to expect some bad outcomes upon the first time meeting - I am no where close to judging them. As I show kindness to make connections using just simple objective events in reality they don't take that cue as positive. Some take their suspicion further and proceed to make a bunch of accusations without proof. Kind of a "before you can get me I'll get you first" attitude. It's just crazy. I am talking about in business settings and not optional social gatherings for fun, so these interactions come with stakes.
I think it's funny when I went to this Japanese restaurant in Texas. There were a lot of Asians there and I was like, "I never seen so many Asians in my life." LOL. Well, I grew up in the San Fernando Valley and there are a lot of Mexicans and Hispanics, so that's what I'm used to seeing. Now since I live in the South, there's mostly Blacks and White people, so it was a big shock for me when I moved. Sometimes I wish I were around other Asians because then maybe I could relate more, but it is what it is. The one thing I'm grateful for is the Asian store near me since I can get some Japanese items, and I also hate that there aren't any authentic Japanese restaurants around. They did have a few authentic Japanese restaurants near me, but they closed down. So when you do grow up around the same race, you are kind of privileged.
This topic hits close to home, even though I’m not Asian. I spent my high school and college years in Hawaii and then moved to Thailand when I was 23. Now, it’s tough for me to connect with other expats who grew up surrounded by people who looked like them. I believe it’s healthier to live in a diverse environment rather than a homogeneous one.
Lots of Asians who grew up in exclaves, that is White areas because America at approx 70% White is a giant enclave of White people. Your Wonder years was mostly with Asians or more diverse which is why you aren't that comfortable in a White enclave of expats. Same with Asians who grew up in White areas. They are more comfy around Whites than their own kind. Just as you are more comfy with Asians since you grew up with them even though you're not Asian. Just wondering; do these White expats feel a compunction to venture outside their enclave into the greater Asian mainstream?
I am a Mexican American and I live in Atlanta/Midtown where it is predominately white and black american. All the asian and latino americans live in the ethnosuburbs and you can tell when they come to the city, they feel out of place. I lived in an enclave when I was in HS but as an adult, I like being pushed out of my comfort zone and I found that more in the city than in the suburbs! You kinda have to because the city is more expensive too lol But I do appreciate my time in the enclave, because it's like you said it makes you appreciate your culture more but still retain it when you are out there going against the grain!
As an Asian in Hawaii, I don’t really see where this “Asian privilege” comes into play. Maybe it’s something I never noticed because I was born and raised here. And really though, who cares about defying stereotypes? Like fuckin just be you. What other peoples views on you doesn’t matter.
Yeah I never felt the "asian privilege" there. I have no idea what this fellow talking about in relation to that. Hawaii is a different world compared to the mainland. At least it used to be. I go back to visit now and again but usually to Kauai. I haven't been back to Oahu since I left in 92.
Thank you for your insightful video brothers! As an Asian (Filipino) who spent his formative years in the Bay Area in the 70's, I was exposed to other cultures, B/W, Latino, etc. so I'm not sure if I would call it living exclusively in an Asian enclave. I enlisted in the Air Force, made my service a career and moved away living overseas and in other regions of the country. I've made my home in the Northern Plains in an exclave, but I do miss being around other Asians. I miss the food, the familial values. Our town has fast food places, and also the chain restaurants like Red Lobster, Texas Roadhouse and Olive Garden. As far as ethnic foods, we have Mexican restaurants, an African Kitchen, a Japanese Steak House, Chinese and Thai Restaurants, and recently, a Korean Restaurant opened and I spend a lot of time there conversing with the owners and staff over Galbi or Bulgogi with rice and assorted bonchon like Kimchee and cucumbers, daikon radish. I do miss the Bay Area and Santa Clara where I grew up, but I'm very happy now living in North Dakota. For me, it's all about adapting to your environment without having to compromise your identity.
3rd generation born and raised Hawaii. We grow up more island style than anything. My neighborhood, friends, etc consisted of white, Polynesian, Asian, people from all walks. When I moved to the 9th island (Vegas) people looked at me and expected Asian stereotypes. It's not offensive but just strange to be thought of that way. I don't know about "Asian privilege" back in Hawaii but perhaps a local's privilege.
"Asian privilege" exists only in Honolulu. Outside, it's a different story. ua-cam.com/video/zG0YEI8aIm8/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/CqLxBlMrQZA/v-deo.html&ab_channel=IslandNews
Grew up exclave , 95% of my friends were Caucasian. Was labeled the”fob” of the group and always been told how Asian I was. But when I started hanging out with enclaves in uni, they always told me how white washed i was. They were also so surprised when they find out I know so much about Chinese culture and can speak the language pretty well 😂
This was super interesting and relatable. I am Chinese Canadian, grew up surrounded by other Asian Canadians. Then attended university at an Ivy League school that was very white, but still ended up only mingling with Asians. Then moved to SF to work, and again surrounded myself with Asians. For personal reasons I eventually moved to Paris France, where for the first time since middle school I am surrounded by non Asian people. And for some weird reason I suddenly feel proud of that… and sometimes even judge other enclave asians (tho I myself was one not long ago)… I don’t really get the psychology of it but the truth is that there is less friction when you hang out with people from your own background.
I visited the enclave on Saturdays and Sundays. Also I grew up around Koreans, Japanese, Russians, Pakistanis and Indians in my neighborhood in America.
I'm both honestly. My best friends right now are fellow only-child Chinese Americans, but back as a teen, my main social circle was the outcast crowd, very wide racial diversity. The Asians I did not get along growing up with was the Taiwanese American crowd. They had the same superiority complex as their parents towards the "inferior" Mainlanders like me. I could get along with them in a one on one setting, but never in a group setting. I'm sure they've changed now, but back then, we all had to some degree the really bad flaws of our hyper-competitive parents, courtesy of our homeland.
Where was this with the Taiwanese Americans with a superiority complex? Was it SGV or South Bay? I'm from SF, which has mainly Cantonese/Toisanese, and later, mainly higher-end, educated Mainland immigrants, and Taiwanese American is barely a thing here.
Enclave and exclave Asians aren't a monolith, like everything else, and there's so much variation. Most people have lived in various places in their lives, and what counts as exclave/enclave? Lots of enclave Asians act very "white," and exclave Asians can act very Asian. I never thought I fit into any stereotypes, both enclave and exclave. Asian is a broad term, and a lot varies by Asian ethnicity, sub-ethnicity, age, socioeconomic levels, and so on. And every enclave and exclave is different!
San Diego isn't an enclave but one of city council districts includes Linda Vista and other asian enclave neighborhoods, the district pretty much always has Asian politicians competing for the council seat.🎉
I couldn't live in the enclave, housing there are way too expensive. You can get a 5BD/4BT in Katy TX for $350k, the same house in San Jose costs 1.5 million.
I think it also depends on your ratio of Asian. I grew up as an exclave half-Asian and I found my experiences in the enclaves a bit of a mixed bag. I loved the ambiance, community and vibes in the exclave. They make their little portions of the city feel lived in similar to how I felt when living in East Asia versus the general city experience of the US where everything feels sterile. Where it feels like people are just subsisting in the area, not really living in the area. Asian enclaves always felt alive and that the communities there actually live there and aren't just subsisting in that area like most of the rest of the city. Where this becomes somewhat challenging I feel is when you're half-Asian or otherwise, easily identifiably mixed. At best, you get treated indifferently as if you're another white person rubber necking. At worst, it's barely veiled hostility as a race traitor. This was much more pronounced with the older generations where I'd hear an old man or woman mutter about "dirty blood" or some other epithet under their breath when they'd see me walking past. Younger generations being more prone to mixing didn't care about it, but there still felt to be this barrier in place where it felt like myself and the other mixed Asians who appeared whiter were pushed back to.
I would always recommend building your own communities first before falling for the narrative that interracial dating is the ideal or better than the former. I feel for my fellow Asian Americans. Many men out there would not give it a second thought just trying to snatch up Asian women. I hope this changes and men from other races approach this aspect of American culture with more respect and a genuine care for each other.
I grew up in the Mid-West, attended middle and high school that's 95% white. I also attended college in the Mid-West. But once I graduated, I moved out west and spent my time in in the Silicone Valley areas. I loved it and I tend to notice that many Asians in those areas do live in a bubble and they're not that comfortable being around non-Asians. Similar to some white folks who have never lived outside of their bubble and aren't comfortable being around people that don't look like them.
Yup, just visit, Tokyo, Seoul, Hong Kong, Shanghai. Theres lots of Whites, expats and so forth perfectly fine and comfortable staying in their own bubbles and with each other. They don't see a need to mix and mingle with Asians, they like to hang out with each other. I even met a White woman born and raised in Shanghai yet couldn't speak a lick. Only English even after 20 yrs.
I don't see a difference. I grew up in the exclave, and I didn't really connect with the non-Asian people that I lived around. I grew up in the West San Fernando Valley back in the 1980s, the area was 90% Caucasian. I did go to school with a lot of non-Asian people, but I never really had any friends who weren't Asian. At school, I would mostly make friends with people who were Asian people. I had friends who were Chinese, Korean, Thai, Vietnamese, Indian, etc, but most of my friends were mostly other overseas Chinese like myself. Most of the people I interacted with were non-Asians when I was growing up in the 1980s.
I’m Asian but was raised by parents who are whites. I find it hard to make friends with white kids cause I often got bullied and made fun of cause of the stereotypes which lead into a fights. As for the Asian kids, I also find it quite difficult cause majority of them identified as East Asian you know, the one falsely claims to have fair skins, double eyelids that kind of stuff when it’s obvious that their face is full of pimples wearing glasses and listening to Linkin Park all days. Even them they told me with honesty but, with spite saying that they don’t like brown or dark skin Asian which is really degrading. However all that being subsided when I Enlisted in the Navy, where being racist is taboos, and being super smarts and showing nerdiness will make people being cautious around them. Of yeah, this was in Everett Washington, shocking.
I guess I'd like to say I was Enclave! We had a funny mix of asian clicks in San Jose back in highschool. There were the "fobs" from overseas, the street kid / ABG asians, and the nerdy gamer asians. So I feel like it would've been very difficult to feel out of place as an Asian.
We didn't have a lot of Asians here in central FL, at least not in my school. We had one Asian friend and maybe had like 3 other Asian kids in the whole school; the rest were Hispanic, white, and Black.
Virtually NO Asian --- including devout Korean Baptists --- wants to live in Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana. Move to central Texas or beyond.
I'm from Canada specifically in Alberta, I grew up in the exclave, my only complaint is there's not enough good Asian food. I go to Richmond in BC I go crazy and then there's Markham near Toronto, that place is Chinese food on top of Chinese food that's when I go crazier!
I studied critical race theory, and I feel like this conversation is emblematic of how our racial identity is developed from not just how we identify but also what others reflect back to us. I’d love to hear this conversation but with Asian women, because the way Asian women are fetishized by non Asian men must have a significant impact on their experience in an exclave.
Well I was born in San Francisco in the 70's and it was an exclave then, but an enclave now (though my particular hood is hella mixed it borders Daly City which is VERY Filipino). Then I lived my teens in Manila in my motherland so that's a different third experience that I don't think a lot of Asian Americans have percentage wise, even moreso if they're mixed 'wasian' like me. When I was younger and it was more white hella people picked on me for being mixed, and boy did they KNOW I wasn't white! However now I'm older often times people don't even clock me as "Asian" which really bugs me considering I've all sorts of mannerisms, habits, etc. from the motherland which is some cultural respects makes me more asian, particularly since a lot of Filipino American's don't even speak their ancestral language. Honestly until white America handles their own racism towards us it doesn't really matter to me wtf other Asians, Asian Americans, Hapas/Mixed, etc do in response to make their lives better. It's all valid in this sociopolitical environment to survive/thrive.😮💨
I fear one day these enclaves are going to become sovereign countries. Most of Europe used to be the Roman Empire until it broke up into a bunch of different countries.
Sooner or later, this is bound to happen. All empires will collapse. Roman, Spanish, British, Soviet. The American one will collapse too, and civil wars will begin. Americans are already divided into two camps, they are aggressive against each other, they do not want to listen to each other, it is difficult for them to compromise. It's only going to get worse.
I'm also from washington and spent a good chunk of time in Cali enclaves. the thing I immediately noticed about enclaves was how competitive everybody was and I would even say to the point of being unwelcoming because your just another asian to compete against...also the locals didn't appreciate the enclaves much even calling them fobtowns (TW girl i knewcoined it😊 which is a shame cause i love the enclaves being an outsider its all novelty to me... I'm able to enjoy things like a tourist. The enclaves really are the best of both worlds Asian lifestyle with an American sense of security
Just a quick note, I believe you are very wrong when you said that Asian enclaves are nonpolitical/apolitical because they do not hold strong opinions on Presidential politics. If you look at the Asian Representatives in Congress you'll quickly notice that the districts they represent have a Asian enclaves. They are essential in elections and they are the only reason Asian people have any form of relevance in American politics
I started out in a place thats a semi enclave for everyone, moved to a typical suburb, and the typical suburb became an enclave before I graduated. I can’t relate to either.
An Enclave Asian: it is easier to learn an Asian Language and culture. When you live outside your ethnic group - you learn to communicate and understand other ethnic cultures. Ethnic culture/communities will change over time so there is an investment and overhead to staying connected and relevant. Staying connected and relevant requires keeping up with the social norms and expectation - having money or supportive extended family makes this easier. Being poor or having a dysfunctional family makes it more challenging.
I'm a Korean American who was born in Green Bay, Wisconsin, in 1977. There was no one who was not Caucasian but my family, pretty much. My cousin was born in Wisconsin but he moved to Los Angeles early in his life. My cousin and his brother grew up in Los Angeles, and they saw non-Caucasians growing up. I didn't.
I have always been in the minority as far as the neighborhood and the schools I went to growing up. I feel comfortable navigating around the restaurants and shops in NYC Chinatown. The most Chinese people I hang with are my family and cousins, but I also have some Asian friends.
Because the culture isn't the same. Japan has it's own unique culture. Canada has it's own unique culture. The US has it's own unique culture. Any people with Japanese heritage raised in these places will most likely not realate to each other at all because culturally they are quite different.
@@Not-Ap USA hated it's own culture because they always tie it to their slave history, there's a reason why they are so proud to be a "melting pot of cultures", the problem is they try to modify other cultures with their own moral standards kinda like a semi-pseudo-neo-colonical lecturing.
Over the decades, Black Americans and Hispanic Americans have carved out very specific niches for themselves in the US. Are there any examples of blended Asian and American cultures creating a new culture niches in the US?
i wish i was an enclave asian it's so amazing to see non asians eating at and going to asian areas and knowing the dish names and tiny bit of lingo in my area the main asians are viet but somehow everyone thinks were chinese still and the only viet food that they know yet don't know is viet is pho
It goes without saying that surely there will be a lot of cultural differences but personally the most annoying thing are those who claim and say that they are proud Filipino but do not speak a bit of any Filipino language.
Why is that annoying? im filipino so what if those guys in the US don't speak any filipino language they still have our DNA. Heck even here in the Philippines some speak English first than any filipino language.
@@onesoul1s yeah thats true, infact there would be more Chinese ancestry while there is also like 5% Indian ancestry depending on some areas. Most are pure austronesian. Thou if i may add the Study can be a bit misleading because the study was done in an area not so much historically under Spanish rule. The studies was mostly done in rural areas it kinda bothers me why historical areas Such as Manila, Cebu and even bicol are not as represented especially Metro manila area where its soo densely populated and most where the Spanish resided.
Are you an EXCLAVE or ENCLAVE Asian? And where would you want to be long term?
I was born in an exclave but parents moved us to Hong Kong when I was a child. Grew up attending English-language schools and never learned Cantonese (I speak Mandarin though). Never felt at home there and tbh didn't like it much. We moved back to the States when I was 18 and I'm never moving overseas again. Likely staying in the exclaves
Enclave, but lived in Cinci for work. Was sad to see how much exclave Asians sought validation from non-Asians & thought it was a badge of honor to have them as friends. It was hilarious to me how surprised they were when I was able to fit in there. It's not like we don't have other ethnicities or follow sports in the enclaves lol. Another thing was being Americanized. Dude we don't have to be Americanized to be American lol. Also, the denial... they all say, "group X accepts me." But from an outside perspective, it was just like that one white guy in the group of Asians who all the Asian ppl joke about his infatuation w/ being Asian. It sucks that they grew up having to be ashamed of being Asian, but you're Americanized, so go deal with your trauma in therapy.
I’m an Asian American who grew up in multiracial neighborhoods. I am able to understand the issues my friends of other races deal with and I don’t dismiss them because I’ve seen firsthand the issues they go through.
I know Asians who grew up in an all-Asian area tend to be very dismissive of issues they don’t experience. They’re awkward around different types of people. And are very likely to engage people based on their race first rather than who they are as people.
Asians who grow up in those areas tend to see other types of people as different and will not be willing to see others as people they can share progress with and are more likely to be racially self interested/motivated.
Also those who grew up in enclaves tend to have more money and aren’t willing to understand working class Asian Americans. Moving into an enclave often times took money for my family and we couldn’t afford after like a year so there’s that.
Only an exclave asian would ask that kind of question! Enclave asians don't think about their asianess. 😔
@@abandonedfragmentofhope5415 There are large cities with a good percentage of Asian that can be called enclave, but are overall multiracial and plurality white. They can have a whole range of socioeconomic levels for all races, including Asian, and within Asian ethnicities, too. Not all enclaves are affluent, and some have working to lower middle class Asians. There are neighborhoods and schools within large cities that can be called enclave.
I’m Chinese American born and raised in NY. Growing up I felt like an outcast and didn’t belong, unless it was just family friends my mom befriended. I even experienced bullying from kids that look just like me. Once my family and I moved to New England, it was a cultural shift. Especially in school because everyone was Italian or Irish. I felt like an outsider at first. Overtime I got use to it, got along with everyone, and made some friends. What I didn’t know about New England is that we have a large population of Cambodians, Laos, Thai, and Vietnamese spread out. I’ve met a lot of South East Asians and they’re the closest thing I’ve felt in terms of me finding my tribe. I’ve also been included in African groups and latinos. To me, it all boils down to respecting each other.
How about white Americans? Did you fit in that group?
@ I did. I’ve been invited to play video games, go to the movies, sometimes I’ll have the chance to eat dinner with them. I’ve been invited to birthdays and graduation parties once I finished hs. My sister did too. Both me and her assimilated, we didn’t have a choice. Especially when there weren’t any Asian students. I don’t regret those experiences and am grateful for it because I would have easily been more isolated if we never moved.
Are you full Chinese, and are you Cantonese or other Southern Chinese? I feel Southern Chinese can sometimes relate to Southeast Asians more. There was a Southern Chinese posting in the comments on Fung Bros(?) channel about how much he likes SEA culture. Fung Bros seems closest to SEAs such as Vietnamese, with Richie as their former "sidekick," and they interviewed a Viet American comedian not long ago. Their dad is from HK, and their mom grew up partly in HK I think, so they have some Southern-ish in them. Also, at least for a previous generation, many HK and other Southern Chinese immigrants were working class or lower middle class, going against Chinese stereotypes, and that makes them mesh with the stereotypical SEAs more. Did you look different from other Chinese Americans, like are you mistaken for Filipino or other SEA?
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Are you chinese
They key point of what you said is the last sentence. Respect.
However, you'll find that many times that there is an unbalanced power dynamic between asians and blacks/whites. They tend to feel superior and see you and your culture as exotic and inferior. Obligatory not all, but I'd say most. It's better to be within asian circles, but that isn't without downsides either.
I'm a black guy who doesn't relate to the hood and/or black people who only want to be around other black people. Just to clarify, I'm not uncomfortable in an all black setting. There's a certain mentality that I find off-putting. I don't know what this makes me but I couldn't care less if I'm the only black person at a restaurant or an event. If I see confederate flags and other indicators that this isn't for me, I take my leave. Other than that, I honestly couldn't care less.
If you didn't grow up in a ghetto ("... a part of a city in which members of a minority group are concentrated, especially as a result of political, social, legal, religious, environmental or economic pressure.") and grew up in the 'burbs, in a basic, nuclear family, with one or both parents working white collar jobs, it's not surprising.
In some instances, individuals just don't fit the mold, even if they did.
Yeah, you're just normal. I'm Asian American and am the same way. In fact I don't have one close Southeast/East Asian friend. Growing up in Queens, NY most of my friends are Black, Latino, Arab, Indian or Italian. I look like a complete corporate, clean cut Asian guy with glasses, but inside I am extreme 90s Queens hip hop. That's just who I am and how I was raised. Socialization defines your identity, not your race.
I think that’s all normal . I am from China 5 years ago . I don’t like Chinese Chinese. If we have no friends that’s bad in my opinion . If we have other friends , means we don’t like one culture , that’s fine
You are just an American. Like me.
@MrDMC11889...And by ''black'' i assume you mean so called ''Black Americans'' ? Or do you mean being also in a setting with let say Jamaicans, Nigerians, Haitians, Barbadians, Tanzanians, Kenyans because they are all different in their cultures, norms and values. I personally dont like the term ''black'' because it doesnt mean anything and is just a psuedo-socio-political label based on a some color racial cast system. You dont see Asians say i ''yellow people or yellow neighberhood or yellow hood or anything like that.
I'm a mixed Asian girl and I grew up in a suburb of Seattle, so in a way, I grew up in a semi-enclave. I grew up with my mom who is white but she always made sure I stayed in touch with my Asian culture and Seattle is great for that. Most of my friends growing up were Asian or mixed Asian, so we went out to boba, had pho, dim sum, etc. I eventually went off to a very white college and that was the first time I was like whoah, I'm Asian AF. For the first time, a lot of people viewed me as 100% Asian and hadn't really met many mixed people. Then I went to grad school at a very, very Asian school and felt very out of place there. All the Asian Americans grew up with Asian families who were mostly immigrants, only went out to Asian clubs, etc. Now I'm back in Seattle and have a new appreciation for it. I really want to raise a family here because my kids will be Asian and I want them to have a location where they don't feel like they stand out like a sore thumb, but also have access to other cultures.
if you want a place to be mostly asian why not live in asia itself...
I think every Asian should live outside the enclave for a period in their lives. Living in any bubble makes you complacent and stagnant. And we all need to push our limits if we want to grow. You can always return to the enclave in the future to enjoy the peace, comfort, and culture.
“Enclaves Asians” are the ones who are building the Asian American Culture in America. Exclaves are just assimilating into other cultures. I believe Enclaves Asians are important to the future of Asian American. Without a strong culture social structure, youre just constantly seeking validations from other groups. That doesnt mean that we should make friends with only people of our ethnicity. Letting it happen naturally is more authentic than trying to go out of your way to be a part of a group that’s different. Like Im not going to go out of my way to be apart of a white group or a black group. If we cross paths and vibe than its all good. The latter seems weird as hell. If youre talking about interacting with people from other walks of life, we do that every day with working and commuting in our daily lives.
I'm a Japanese-American who grew up in a white neighborhood in SoCal, and as a kid, most of my friends were actually Portuguese. I never really felt out of place, and I grew up in the late '60s and the 1970s.
Most of the original generation of Japanese-Americans did not grow up in Japanese enclaves, because after being released from the WW2 internment camps, most were forced to make their way wherever they could.
TBH, I never thought about wanting to be more Americanized or not. And I didn't relate much to the few other Asians, including the few other 3rd-generation Japanese-Americans in my general area. I have my own personality and confidence. The people I relate to are based on compatibility; personality, interests, values, etc., not based on race or ethnicity. In my 20s, I lived in Taiwan from the '80s into the '90s, and I did fine there.
I didn't experience very much bullying as a kid; surprising, considering that I didn't grow up around other Asian-Americans. There are other places in the States that I do know would have been much worse if I had grown up there.
I don't relate to Irvine Asians 😂
They claim to be Asian but have names like Kyler, only speak English, and their idea of authentic Asian food is Panda Express 😂
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Kyler was such an asshole for what he did to Miguel.
@@Quanic2000 lol, them rich Asians from Irvine. lol. Its a different breed of Asians there lol. Lived there back in 96 to 01.
@@KippinCollars you understood the reference 😂👊🙌
@@badass197 Irvine Asians = Latinos for Trump 😂
I didn't fit in with my local enclaves so growing up was really rough on my self-esteem. I'm well into my adult life and still trying to find it as an asian man to be honest.
Same with me. I've found that Asians who don't fit in with local enclaves have whiter interests from reading/watching things in English that are primarily Western, at least for the older generation that isn't into kpop or anime. They don't fit in with other enclave Asians, so they don't develop their vibe and interests. Immigrants who don't interact with other immigrants can develop whiter interests too, if they're fluent in English. They don't take on the stereotypical Asian parent values and interests if they don't interact with other Asian immigrant parents.
@@Signe99Why is it considered white interests instead of American interests? I’m genuinely asking. I struggle to understand the Asian Americans experience as a Black American.
Growing up not in an enclave … I actually have the opposite perspective than the comment. I appreciate how asian enclaves don’t need larger American/white approval and want to do their own thing.
Same, I didn't grow up with large Asian community. I had to act white or hold my tongue when I noticed things that are normal to them but weird to an outsider but after college I'm glad to be more immersed in that community. It didn't feel like I was immersed in diversity before but learning to hide what I really am.
@@danielgreen4010 What is acting White?
But it's usually the Asians who don't live in enclaves break into the American mainstream that gives Asian-Americans representation in the media. Also the cool Asian-Americans tend to be from non enclave backgrounds. It all comes down to having social skills being able to maneuver through different types of people.
@@hangten1904by acting white, they mean upholding white American values. Like emphasizing small talk and sports culture that is not found in East Asian cultures
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St Paul, Minnesota is 30% Asian (Hmong). It was a shocker to move here and be surrounded by my people. 😂
I hear Hmong, I think Fresno and Minnesota.
Grand Turismo??
Same goes to Asian Americans and Asian Asians. Coming to the states as an international student, I never felt welcomed while meeting with other Asian American students, which is total fine. At the end of the day, those who want to leave their comfort zone are very few. We all living in our own bubbles.
as a asian american who can speak both mandarin and cantonese. read and write fluently. I feel the same about international students to me. these days I just spend time with the chinese elders but not young kids
@@Willxdiana It's true, its the same in both ways. Maybe you and I should be friends!
That's because the _de facto_ religion of the the US is COOL-ism. You have to be cool ... you gotta look cool ... act cool ... talk cool ... behave cool ... think cool ... feel cool ... exude coolness. You must "Keep up with the Joneses" by driving a cool, new, sleek, flashy CAR; and have a cool, s_____ girlfriend/boyfriend . . . (otherwise, you're be looked down upon as a nerd, loser, a failure, a nobody).
Tbh a lot of Asian Americans have superiority complex over those from Asia itself, it's something taught to us by our parents but also by white dominated American society because we don't want to be associated with being foreign and icky. Idk if you'll do the same to your kids if you have them in the states, but I certainly hope not. It messed up generations.
@@Willxdiana im not chinese, but im envious you are trilingual 😂
good job!
As an exclave Asian person who regularly went to the enclaves, the only benefit of being in an exclave is seeing other people for who they really are good or bad, and realizing I'd rather be around other non self hating Asian people cuz I don't feel like I gotta put up an act one way or another, and I don't feel paranoid. I don't feel like if something goes wrong, the whole of society is against me and there would be some type of actual justice.
How about this? As one of the few Asian-Americans in my school, I grew up in an exclave in the Bay Area, moved to LA for college & work, then after 15 years moved back to my hometown which has now become an enclave. Can anybody relate to that? I like a lot of the new Asian restaurants that have opened since I was gone but miss some of the non-Asian ones too. There’s only so much boba one can drink in life, lol.
As an Asian American dad, I choose to raise my kids in an Asian enclave because in their high school, Asian Americans were leaders in every club and sport. When there are football players and the prom king/queen are Asian, I feel they are less likely to have a feeling of inferiority/chip on the shoulder that exclave Asians often have. I hope it will give my kids more confidence and the freedom to pursue any activity they want without feeling limited by stereotypes.
It’s interesting. My students in Hawaii had a Japanese American teacher from California and they called her “Haole” because she talked like a Haole (white) person and they never accepted her as Asian per se. The students in Hawaii have a distinction, local or outsider. Hawaii has its own culture. It’s very different from California.
Hawaii has become soooo expensive, crowded and "uncool" that local residents are escaping to the Continent.
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It’s a tragedy that the Hawaiians are relocating to the mainland US. The rising cost of real estate is from foreign investors. An average house is one million now. Crazy! A lot of Chinese from China are buying property now.
Hawaii born and raised. Castle grad 92. Mixed asian ancestry (mom: Chinese Japanese Hawaiian). Fact is there is a difference between someone who has been raised in the "culture" and someone who hasn't. It's been awhile but one of the terms I've heard "adopted" or "western" raised "asians" outside of the "culture" was "twinkie" - "Yellow" on the outside "white" on the inside.
For me I tend to relate more to people from cultures that exist like Hawaii which is a mixed culture that is heavily influenced by "asian" influences but also other cultures, like various Polynesian cultures as well as the "haoles" so it's not really accurate to say Hawaii is purely "asian". I think the "asian" culture in Hawaii is a bit different from "asian" cultures like those from the various "homelands" like china, japan, etc. etc. At least based on those I met who were raised in those places.
Every Asian wants to be Americanized but the ones who can straddle both cultures will succeed !
Huh? Not every Asian wants to be a whitewashed Asian American. 🤣
Most Asians don't want to be Americanized. You can just tell by how they live here lol.
EVERY Asians???
Every Asian wants to be Americanized - you ain't even asian
nah, not everyone, the only reason they wanted to is because of money. Nobody in asia wants to adapt the body count culture.
Grew up in Temple City and Arcadia back in the 80s, it was an exclave back then. Monterey Park was the enclave. Crazy how things have changed.
Biggest difference i found was the enclave Asian guys weren't as outgoing about dating other ethnicities or races and the way they approached girls was certainly a little more introverted (back in the 90s). Felt i was more outgoing and confident in those situations.
I am Mexican-American and can relate as I had grew up in a exclave in Ojai, CA and moved to San Francisco for school and work and met a variety of peoples over the years.
now I am back with my family and that have moved to Santa Maria, CA and it’s a Mexican-Latino enclave and i know how to socialize with many peoples outside of my culture in English and can socialize with other Mexicans and Latinos in Spanish if they are primarily Spanish speakers.
The circle is complete and now I feel at peace!
Same, I don't really relate to other Asians much since I grew up in a small MA town that was mostly Irish and Italian. I enjoyed my hometown and I never felt left out of anything
I’m still living in Asian areas. Moved around in Southern California and always moved back to an Asian city. My Chinese language skills hasn’t improved, but I’m surrounded by Chinese and Koreans and some Japanese and Philippinos.
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As an exclave Asian that moved to Asian enclave city, I basically am playing catchup in karaoke, izakaya or pocha culture and going to festivals with other Asians. I think I would have preferred an enclave childhood and an exclave college life.
I’ve noticed that there a lot of Asian suburbs (especially in California) where the binary isn’t Asian/White but Asian/Latino. Even San Gabriel in the 626 feels like this. Garden Grove, San Jose and a lot of SF East Bay suburbs (San Leandro is a good example) are like this. Elmhurst is the best example I can think of in NYC.
Yeah, I'm in the East Bay too, and SL does have that feel to it. I never realized how Asian SL was until I went to Washington Manor Park in the morning to play pickleball. Every single person there was East Asian, not to mention all of the tai chi and Chinese dance classes going on throughout the park. And of course you'd see your random smattering of Latinos doing their BBQs and whatnot.
enclave upbringing is amazing to understand and not feel unnecessary racial shame. enclave living in california is intimately connected with suburbia (the academic term is ethnoburb) and you can certainly outgrow suburban living and therefore also outgrow the ethnic enclave. doesn't mean you lose its positive influence on you, but it does impede on your ability to befriend and maintain relationships with others of the same background who exclusively buy in to the suburban lifestyle. people in the suburbs are generally in the mindset of settling down, regardless of their age, and that doesn't fit everyone. so for those of us who are more adventurous, we may leave the enclave, but we don't lose our enlightened racial identity either + can hang in diverse environments or asian-only environments, and be fine in both.
As a native Asian girl from Asia (Okinawa, Japan), I’ve lived in both exclave (Washington state) and enclave (Hawai’i) type of environments and even when I lived in the exclave I still gravitated towards other Asians, but nothing beats living in the enclave and Asia for me haha. The only other state I’d live in is California because it has similar demographics to Hawai’i being very Asian and non-white.
Why did you move from japan to a hell hole like usa?
It depends. Only east Honolulu is an Asian enclave. The rest of Hawai'i is mostly tough Locals/Pacific Islands . . .
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What attracts you to other Asians? is it like a psychological safety net for you? Do you just feel unable to survive without other Asians? I find insular groups to be a little weird, but Asians actively exclude non-Asians in most of their groups. White people do this less, unless they are rich or something.
why live in the US in the first place?
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Wrong I live in Aiea/Pearl City area. Lots of Japanese there
Being exposed to other enclaves, but still having enough of your own enclave to lean in if you really want to, is the sweet spot.
Grew up as a Fil-Am in South Florida adjacent to many other immigrant enclaves (e.g. Cubans, Jamaicans, etc.) and learned to get along with everyone. There were enough Asians spread out between Miami, Broward and Palm Beach counties that the dating pool wasn't so limited (although you were probably connected by two or three degrees), but far from the scale of California cities where Asians are a commodity.
Now that I'm raising a family in Chicago, I'm grateful my kids interact with other immigrant enclaves (e.g. Polish, Mexicans, etc.), while also having proximity to different Asian cultures where we feel very comfortable (i.e. we live down the street from Seafood City and 15 min to a Super Hmart so we are very deliberate to stay near other Asians). The kids' classrooms are so diverse that there isn't a racial majority. This is in stark contrast to my Asian friends who are raising kids in predominantly white areas (Ohio, Tennessee, etc.); their kids have trouble connecting with other kids, and they (the parents) have trouble connecting with other parents, due to a sense of (either real or perceived) "othering".
I think I just prefer immigrant communities/enclaves because that's what I'm used to. One group that's been harder for me to connect with is white people who are several generations-removed from their status as immigrants. An effect of always being around other immigrants is that the white people I connect best with are either recent immigrant European (e.g. Poland, Ukraine, etc.) or Jewish.
I think pushing out of your comfort zone is admirable, no matter if you come from an Asian enclave or not. As a parent though, I'd choose a major city that has enough Asians to feel seen, but also has enough other minorities/immigrants. An Asian enclave might not have the variation of experiences I'm looking for.
Went to undergraduate in Nevada for Engineering and my classes were like 90% White Male and like 5% Asian but when I moved to Michigan for Engineering Graduate school my classes were mostly International students like 10% American, 25% Chinese, and like 65% Indian. It is interesting that when I worked after my department was similar demographic but when I switch to another Engineering department in same company it was more diverse and less Asian.
Interesting topic. I'm one of those OG Boat people. I came here in the 80's and grew up in Glendale, CA. Back then, we had a mixed community. All races were represented. It was a comfortable experience. I was not picked on because I was Asian. I had friends from all groups. I later moved to Rosemead because the housing was more affordable, and by that time, Glendale had become an Armenian town. It wasn't the same when the town became dominated by one culture. Being exposed to the different cultures allow me see America as a much more promising place, a place where everybody has an opportunity to succeed, a place to learn from the different cultures. It gave me an open mind and not look at or judge people because their skin tone.
I’m chinese and I’m more mid west country married a white girl. Grew up in cali and moved to Colorado. Like all things in life there is good and not so good.
I heard that Colorado has become quite diverse and liberal and Blue.
What would I say are the not so good parts about it
@@britneyt9253 The food and the warm weather and the beach, that’s what you’ll miss. Diversity is getting better but not even close to ca, but it’s quiet and safe. It’s like Sacramento but with a lot more snow.
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Moved to Hacienda Heights in the 80s, was one of the few Chinese, 40years later, it’s over 50 % Asian businesses here now.
My first friends ever in pre-school were black and white . Fred and Diandre , I hope you guys are doing well . Half the people i interacted with were black hispanic and white because i played sports a lot growing up. Was even the only non-black kid on a community center basketball team lol. Honestly, this help me in life to interact with other ethnicities and explore different cultures. When i interact with those asians from wealthy neighborhoods and hang around others like them only its kinda weird sometimes
I particularly don’t gravitate towards “my ethnic group” I base my friendship on my belief and moral stand. Culture or color don’t matter in my view
Grew up in Indiana in a small town. Can’t think of anything more exclave than that. Moved to NJ and felt at home. Love the Asian food and culture.
Born and raised in Philly where I was one of a handful of asians in my public school. I always had Asian American friends through social activities (church/orgs/etc), but I was always hyper aware that a majority of my classmates/peers could never really understand being a minority or the stark differences in cultural values. I eventually moved to NYC where there were way more asians, and developed a tight circle of just asian american friends and eventually met my wife (1st generation asian). More recently I moved to the San Gabriel Valley area and I can kind of see the bubble that everyone is talking about, but I hang out mostly with 1st generation immigrants rather than the ABCs, so I haven't seen too much of it since most immgrants have had to hustle and be studious (for the most part) to come to the states. For the west coast ABC socal asians I have met, it strikes me as a luxury to never needing to question your identity, family, culture, and perpetually feeling like you don't belong in this country. I went to NYC because it was more asian/diversity hub and it drove me to career hustle, challenge the bamboo ceiling, and seek excellence because I was forced to as a minority -both because society expected that and since my family hammered those values. People seem pretty content being in their SGV bubble, which is nice, but this country is a big place with so many different kinds of people, and It would be shame not at least try to see how others live - I'm sure we can be the better for it.
I grew up in the 626 Asian enclave Monterey Park. I am half Chinese/half white. My friends growing up were a good mix of various Asian and Latino kids. I feel lucky to have grown up in my hometown.
We loves all your videos and I shared them to my kids that were born and raised in US
So they can see how Asian parents are
There such thing as Asian enclave and diversity at the same time. I was raised in the seattle area. We have high diversity but big Asian community as well. You can shuffle between the both of them.
Latino guy who likes the podcast. Especially the Latino and Asian episodes. I went to a few Malaysian gatherings recently in Florida and I actually really liked it because I felt really welcomed. I knew I was an outsider but it wasn't a terrible feeling like in maybe somewhere else.
Terrible places, like in the Florida Panhandle.
@casper-z9rkls6gl I meant with respect to community. I don't care too much about the location. If there's a welcoming community, I can vibe.
I'd be curious to know where he lived.
I lived in rural northeast Iowa in the 70s and 80s. I identify more with Henry Cho's stories than just about anyone else's.
Engaging topic. I grew up in Bayside-Flushing in the late 60s-80s when it was still predominantly middle-class white. Flushing was more diverse than Bayside back then. I went to elementary school with 5 Asians including myself and my sister in the entire school. I definitely was made by others to feel different even though I was born in NYC. Back then it was assimilate, whitewash yourself, try not to stand out to survive. In my opinion, that was and is the Asian way whereas other minorities seem to assert their diversity more and demand acceptance.
I have a coworker that says he wishes he was Asian so he could date Asians. I told him 'you can still date Asians' and he said "nah, Im good."
Im still confused. I dated Asians. What am I not getting?
I don’t care to defy stereotypes. I just do what’s best for my self interest
Allow your souls to guide you to where you're meant to be and meant to experience whether there are lots of Asians around or not. Be brave enough to venture out to the known & unknown places w an open heart and mind. Everywhere is filled w potential for growth. Asian foods are the best though, I'm bias I don't care....lol.
Good approach.
The "AMERI"can way
Exclave girl, raised in South FL where it’s predominantly Latin though I live in a city where it’s mostly Jewish. Grew up around other Jews & accepted for the most part by the community. Only Asians I know are my Family & their friends & never felt accepted. I’m not petite or soft spoken like our stereotype & apparently that makes me the Black Sheep amongst the Asians or at least with the ones I know.
I'm Latino and from Florida and I actually don't relate to most Latinos very well but that's okay. Sometimes I wish I could speak Spanish better but shout out to Asians in the US because I do think their cultures are interesting.
What do you think of Latino food? If it's okay to ask.
Definitely a "different strokes for different folks" type of situation
why go to america then?
Southern asian here. Also interesting to note that I pulled way more white chicks in the rural south than when I moved to LA/Bay area. In fact you can see way more AMWF couples on the east coast. Makes me wonder wtf did the asians do here to fuck up their rep . 😂
really i thought asians did better in the west coast
@@jmgonzales7701 Asians get more respect on the west coast, only if you're born and raised on the west coast though. It also rlly depends where. Norcal is completely cooked for asian guys. Socal is a lil better, but not too many AMWF couples.
NYC has by far the most AMWF couples.
As for the south. There were no asian girls for me to date, so I ended up with a lot of blonde hair blue eyed white girls. I have no idea how a typical sheltered/uncultured west coast asian guy would fare. I am a 190lb 15% bodyfat 5'10 asian guy so a lot of white girls gave me the chance. For white girls, all you have to do is make them laugh. They aren't nearly as superficial as west coast asian girls.
TLDR White girls/East Coast girls care alot about personality traits. Leadership > Humor > Confidence > Kindness (In that order) They are more likely to overlook more superficial things.
@Agentchow99 in texas?
in north Atlanta, it's basically socal tbh - depends where ur from. Georgia has the third biggest korean population behind NYC and la
So true. I'm Chinese and I live in Tennessee my whole life and I didn't live around other Chinese and Asians and I don't fit with the Asian crowd. Only Chinese and Asians I grew up with are the ones that went to my church. Which was a predominantly white church.
I feel for that story. I grew up not being in touch with a lot of asian cultures and always felt inferior in some way, like I didn't belong. I just went on with life learning to diversify my social life, hobbies, and activities. As I grow older I feel a lot of comfort being around enclaves for sure.
As a Black woman who grew up learning Mandarin and from a city that has a lot of diverse enclaves, I actually felt quite comfortable in the enclaves. It gave me some reprieve from a white majority and all that comes with that sometimes.
As a Black American, I enjoy you all's content. If African-American talked about this on their YT channel, they would get a lot of heat. It's like we can't be free. But it's nice to know my Asian-American brothers and sisters can be free among their own kind and not catch racism from the OTHER RACIAL group (hint, hint).
🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔. Actually there are alot of black YT channels that talk like this.
I'm all mixed up, Cantonese, Hakka, Japanese and Hawaiian.
I grew up in the 626 in the 80s and went to a school that was predominantly white and Hispanic. I guess I considered myself growing an exclave. Then I moved to a more diverse area in LA and continued to have a diverse group of fiends. But the last decade or so, my social circle started to be predominantly Asians. Then I moved back to the 626 area and found it quite fascinating. Now I don’t even care to relate to the exclave Asians or non-Asians.
Grew up in the Bay Area and have been living in Ohio for the last 7 years. Growing up in an enclave made me comfortable in my own identity, since everyone around me was the same and felt that same pride. When I left, I think it allowed me to feel comfortable in who I am without the need to morph into someone I’m not, for the sake of fitting into a group where I truly was the minority. I’ve also gotten to experience life outside a bubble, and truly I’ve grown immensely from it. But, I also think many of us who leave recognize there’s a time to go back, which is kinda where I’m at now
I am established in Asia and I am deeply tied there. I have been established in the US and also deeply tied in the US. I frequently travel - so do my family and my husband. This lifestyle is done without being very privileged. Most enclave Asians, if they have been to a good university and have good jobs, are independent and happy, just like everyone else who achieved roughly the same things. If anything else only the unhappy enclaved Asians I've met harbor the most suspicion about the way I live. They included Australian and European Asians. No Asians Asians (completely native Asians) nor any other groups in the US have any doubt how I came to live this way and they are actually surprised I live a multicultural life because I blend in into both. I think enclave Asians do have a tendency to make assumptions and are conditioned to think a certain way. They are likely to expect some bad outcomes upon the first time meeting - I am no where close to judging them. As I show kindness to make connections using just simple objective events in reality they don't take that cue as positive. Some take their suspicion further and proceed to make a bunch of accusations without proof. Kind of a "before you can get me I'll get you first" attitude. It's just crazy. I am talking about in business settings and not optional social gatherings for fun, so these interactions come with stakes.
I think it's funny when I went to this Japanese restaurant in Texas. There were a lot of Asians there and I was like, "I never seen so many Asians in my life." LOL. Well, I grew up in the San Fernando Valley and there are a lot of Mexicans and Hispanics, so that's what I'm used to seeing. Now since I live in the South, there's mostly Blacks and White people, so it was a big shock for me when I moved. Sometimes I wish I were around other Asians because then maybe I could relate more, but it is what it is. The one thing I'm grateful for is the Asian store near me since I can get some Japanese items, and I also hate that there aren't any authentic Japanese restaurants around. They did have a few authentic Japanese restaurants near me, but they closed down. So when you do grow up around the same race, you are kind of privileged.
This topic hits close to home, even though I’m not Asian. I spent my high school and college years in Hawaii and then moved to Thailand when I was 23. Now, it’s tough for me to connect with other expats who grew up surrounded by people who looked like them. I believe it’s healthier to live in a diverse environment rather than a homogeneous one.
Lots of Asians who grew up in exclaves, that is White areas because America at approx 70% White is a giant enclave of White people. Your Wonder years was mostly with Asians or more diverse which is why you aren't that comfortable in a White enclave of expats.
Same with Asians who grew up in White areas. They are more comfy around Whites than their own kind. Just as you are more comfy with Asians since you grew up with them even though you're not Asian. Just wondering; do these White expats feel a compunction to venture outside their enclave into the greater Asian mainstream?
I am a Mexican American and I live in Atlanta/Midtown where it is predominately white and black american. All the asian and latino americans live in the ethnosuburbs and you can tell when they come to the city, they feel out of place. I lived in an enclave when I was in HS but as an adult, I like being pushed out of my comfort zone and I found that more in the city than in the suburbs!
You kinda have to because the city is more expensive too lol But I do appreciate my time in the enclave, because it's like you said it makes you appreciate your culture more but still retain it when you are out there going against the grain!
As an Asian in Hawaii, I don’t really see where this “Asian privilege” comes into play. Maybe it’s something I never noticed because I was born and raised here. And really though, who cares about defying stereotypes? Like fuckin just be you. What other peoples views on you doesn’t matter.
Yeah I never felt the "asian privilege" there. I have no idea what this fellow talking about in relation to that. Hawaii is a different world compared to the mainland. At least it used to be. I go back to visit now and again but usually to Kauai. I haven't been back to Oahu since I left in 92.
Thank you for your insightful video brothers! As an Asian (Filipino) who spent his formative years in the Bay Area in the 70's, I was exposed to other cultures, B/W, Latino, etc. so I'm not sure if I would call it living exclusively in an Asian enclave. I enlisted in the Air Force, made my service a career and moved away living overseas and in other regions of the country. I've made my home in the Northern Plains in an exclave, but I do miss being around other Asians. I miss the food, the familial values. Our town has fast food places, and also the chain restaurants like Red Lobster, Texas Roadhouse and Olive Garden. As far as ethnic foods, we have Mexican restaurants, an African Kitchen, a Japanese Steak House, Chinese and Thai Restaurants, and recently, a Korean Restaurant opened and I spend a lot of time there conversing with the owners and staff over Galbi or Bulgogi with rice and assorted bonchon like Kimchee and cucumbers, daikon radish. I do miss the Bay Area and Santa Clara where I grew up, but I'm very happy now living in North Dakota. For me, it's all about adapting to your environment without having to compromise your identity.
Yes, Pacific Islanders are more adept at living in exclaves than Asians.
3rd generation born and raised Hawaii. We grow up more island style than anything. My neighborhood, friends, etc consisted of white, Polynesian, Asian, people from all walks. When I moved to the 9th island (Vegas) people looked at me and expected Asian stereotypes. It's not offensive but just strange to be thought of that way.
I don't know about "Asian privilege" back in Hawaii but perhaps a local's privilege.
"Asian privilege" exists only in Honolulu. Outside, it's a different story.
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Grew up exclave , 95% of my friends were Caucasian. Was labeled the”fob” of the group and always been told how Asian I was.
But when I started hanging out with enclaves in uni, they always told me how white washed i was. They were also so surprised when they find out I know so much about Chinese culture and can speak the language pretty well 😂
This was super interesting and relatable. I am Chinese Canadian, grew up surrounded by other Asian Canadians. Then attended university at an Ivy League school that was very white, but still ended up only mingling with Asians. Then moved to SF to work, and again surrounded myself with Asians. For personal reasons I eventually moved to Paris France, where for the first time since middle school I am surrounded by non Asian people. And for some weird reason I suddenly feel proud of that… and sometimes even judge other enclave asians (tho I myself was one not long ago)… I don’t really get the psychology of it but the truth is that there is less friction when you hang out with people from your own background.
Strange that you would feel proud of that
Having also done both, I find I strongly prefer being around other Asians
Sounds so fun, I wanna come to one.
I visited the enclave on Saturdays and Sundays. Also I grew up around Koreans, Japanese, Russians, Pakistanis and Indians in my neighborhood in America.
pov: you live in california. honestly love the diversity here.
I'm both honestly. My best friends right now are fellow only-child Chinese Americans, but back as a teen, my main social circle was the outcast crowd, very wide racial diversity.
The Asians I did not get along growing up with was the Taiwanese American crowd. They had the same superiority complex as their parents towards the "inferior" Mainlanders like me. I could get along with them in a one on one setting, but never in a group setting. I'm sure they've changed now, but back then, we all had to some degree the really bad flaws of our hyper-competitive parents, courtesy of our homeland.
Where was this with the Taiwanese Americans with a superiority complex? Was it SGV or South Bay? I'm from SF, which has mainly Cantonese/Toisanese, and later, mainly higher-end, educated Mainland immigrants, and Taiwanese American is barely a thing here.
@Signe99 East Bay
Enclave and exclave Asians aren't a monolith, like everything else, and there's so much variation. Most people have lived in various places in their lives, and what counts as exclave/enclave? Lots of enclave Asians act very "white," and exclave Asians can act very Asian. I never thought I fit into any stereotypes, both enclave and exclave. Asian is a broad term, and a lot varies by Asian ethnicity, sub-ethnicity, age, socioeconomic levels, and so on. And every enclave and exclave is different!
San Diego isn't an enclave but one of city council districts includes Linda Vista and other asian enclave neighborhoods, the district pretty much always has Asian politicians competing for the council seat.🎉
No wonder why it has become a shithole…you have foreigners running the whole city.
In Malaysia Bukit Bintang is also known as the NYC of Asia... and its easy to see why when it looks somewhat like time square
I couldn't live in the enclave, housing there are way too expensive. You can get a 5BD/4BT in Katy TX for $350k, the same house in San Jose costs 1.5 million.
I think it also depends on your ratio of Asian. I grew up as an exclave half-Asian and I found my experiences in the enclaves a bit of a mixed bag. I loved the ambiance, community and vibes in the exclave. They make their little portions of the city feel lived in similar to how I felt when living in East Asia versus the general city experience of the US where everything feels sterile. Where it feels like people are just subsisting in the area, not really living in the area. Asian enclaves always felt alive and that the communities there actually live there and aren't just subsisting in that area like most of the rest of the city. Where this becomes somewhat challenging I feel is when you're half-Asian or otherwise, easily identifiably mixed. At best, you get treated indifferently as if you're another white person rubber necking. At worst, it's barely veiled hostility as a race traitor. This was much more pronounced with the older generations where I'd hear an old man or woman mutter about "dirty blood" or some other epithet under their breath when they'd see me walking past. Younger generations being more prone to mixing didn't care about it, but there still felt to be this barrier in place where it felt like myself and the other mixed Asians who appeared whiter were pushed back to.
Grew in an exclave. Got married and had kids, still live in an Asian exclave. But I am near (30 min drive) from an Asian Enclave.
I would always recommend building your own communities first before falling for the narrative that interracial dating is the ideal or better than the former. I feel for my fellow Asian Americans. Many men out there would not give it a second thought just trying to snatch up Asian women. I hope this changes and men from other races approach this aspect of American culture with more respect and a genuine care for each other.
I grew up in the Mid-West, attended middle and high school that's 95% white. I also attended college in the Mid-West. But once I graduated, I moved out west and spent my time in in the Silicone Valley areas. I loved it and I tend to notice that many Asians in those areas do live in a bubble and they're not that comfortable being around non-Asians. Similar to some white folks who have never lived outside of their bubble and aren't comfortable being around people that don't look like them.
Santa Clara county is ~40% Asian. There’s plenty of exposure to white/brown folks.
@@yxl191 Cool beans.
And in this video, they're all about Asians befriending African-Americans.
Yup, just visit, Tokyo, Seoul, Hong Kong, Shanghai. Theres lots of Whites, expats and so forth perfectly fine and comfortable staying in their own bubbles and with each other. They don't see a need to mix and mingle with Asians, they like to hang out with each other. I even met a White woman born and raised in Shanghai yet couldn't speak a lick. Only English even after 20 yrs.
@@KyroTanaka But the White guys all have Asian girlfriends/wives.
I don't see a difference. I grew up in the exclave, and I didn't really connect with the non-Asian people that I lived around.
I grew up in the West San Fernando Valley back in the 1980s, the area was 90% Caucasian. I did go to school with a lot of non-Asian people, but I never really had any friends who weren't Asian.
At school, I would mostly make friends with people who were Asian people. I had friends who were Chinese, Korean, Thai, Vietnamese, Indian, etc, but most of my friends were mostly other overseas Chinese like myself.
Most of the people I interacted with were non-Asians when I was growing up in the 1980s.
Grew up in and around the enclave..I see myself as distant, but not too far away😅..Prefers the enclave long term..
I’m Asian but was raised by parents who are whites. I find it hard to make friends with white kids cause I often got bullied and made fun of cause of the stereotypes which lead into a fights. As for the Asian kids, I also find it quite difficult cause majority of them identified as East Asian you know, the one falsely claims to have fair skins, double eyelids that kind of stuff when it’s obvious that their face is full of pimples wearing glasses and listening to Linkin Park all days. Even them they told me with honesty but, with spite saying that they don’t like brown or dark skin Asian which is really degrading. However all that being subsided when I Enlisted in the Navy, where being racist is taboos, and being super smarts and showing nerdiness will make people being cautious around them. Of yeah, this was in Everett Washington, shocking.
In the Bay Arear, every race has no choice but to be comfortable with every other race.
I guess I'd like to say I was Enclave! We had a funny mix of asian clicks in San Jose back in highschool. There were the "fobs" from overseas, the street kid / ABG asians, and the nerdy gamer asians. So I feel like it would've been very difficult to feel out of place as an Asian.
We didn't have a lot of Asians here in central FL, at least not in my school. We had one Asian friend and maybe had like 3 other Asian kids in the whole school; the rest were Hispanic, white, and Black.
I lived in Majority Korean and Majority Indian cities. Also the cities had about 20k people each.
What about Majority English-Irish/African cities?
I wish i knew more Asians who grew up in the rural Deep South
What area did you grow up in?
@JerryHou1985 Louisiana's Acadiana region
Virtually NO Asian --- including devout Korean Baptists --- wants to live in Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana. Move to central Texas or beyond.
I'm from Canada specifically in Alberta, I grew up in the exclave, my only complaint is there's not enough good Asian food. I go to Richmond in BC I go crazy and then there's Markham near Toronto, that place is Chinese food on top of Chinese food that's when I go crazier!
I studied critical race theory, and I feel like this conversation is emblematic of how our racial identity is developed from not just how we identify but also what others reflect back to us. I’d love to hear this conversation but with Asian women, because the way Asian women are fetishized by non Asian men must have a significant impact on their experience in an exclave.
Well I was born in San Francisco in the 70's and it was an exclave then, but an enclave now (though my particular hood is hella mixed it borders Daly City which is VERY Filipino). Then I lived my teens in Manila in my motherland so that's a different third experience that I don't think a lot of Asian Americans have percentage wise, even moreso if they're mixed 'wasian' like me. When I was younger and it was more white hella people picked on me for being mixed, and boy did they KNOW I wasn't white! However now I'm older often times people don't even clock me as "Asian" which really bugs me considering I've all sorts of mannerisms, habits, etc. from the motherland which is some cultural respects makes me more asian, particularly since a lot of Filipino American's don't even speak their ancestral language.
Honestly until white America handles their own racism towards us it doesn't really matter to me wtf other Asians, Asian Americans, Hapas/Mixed, etc do in response to make their lives better. It's all valid in this sociopolitical environment to survive/thrive.😮💨
I'm only half Asian, so I don't even feel at home with exclaves. A lot of the shared experience we have is mutually experienced discrimination.
I fear one day these enclaves are going to become sovereign countries. Most of Europe used to be the Roman Empire until it broke up into a bunch of different countries.
america wont allow that
Sooner or later, this is bound to happen. All empires will collapse. Roman, Spanish, British, Soviet. The American one will collapse too, and civil wars will begin. Americans are already divided into two camps, they are aggressive against each other, they do not want to listen to each other, it is difficult for them to compromise. It's only going to get worse.
I'm also from washington and spent a good chunk of time in Cali enclaves. the thing I immediately noticed about enclaves was how competitive everybody was and I would even say to the point of being unwelcoming because your just another asian to compete against...also the locals didn't appreciate the enclaves much even calling them fobtowns (TW girl i knewcoined it😊 which is a shame cause i love the enclaves being an outsider its all novelty to me... I'm able to enjoy things like a tourist. The enclaves really are the best of both worlds Asian lifestyle with an American sense of security
I think there are positives to both, but I definitely think the Asian enclave would have helped push me as a student and as a better person overall!
Just a quick note, I believe you are very wrong when you said that Asian enclaves are nonpolitical/apolitical because they do not hold strong opinions on Presidential politics. If you look at the Asian Representatives in Congress you'll quickly notice that the districts they represent have a Asian enclaves. They are essential in elections and they are the only reason Asian people have any form of relevance in American politics
I started out in a place thats a semi enclave for everyone, moved to a typical suburb, and the typical suburb became an enclave before I graduated. I can’t relate to either.
Yall actually visited my city, charleston and were shook how unasian it was 😂
An Enclave Asian: it is easier to learn an Asian Language and culture. When you live outside your ethnic group - you learn to communicate and understand other ethnic cultures. Ethnic culture/communities will change over time so there is an investment and overhead to staying connected and relevant. Staying connected and relevant requires keeping up with the social norms and expectation - having money or supportive extended family makes this easier. Being poor or having a dysfunctional family makes it more challenging.
Love that Ohtani shirt, Andrew. 👍👍🏆🏆
I'm a Korean American who was born in Green Bay, Wisconsin, in 1977. There was no one who was not Caucasian but my family, pretty much. My cousin was born in Wisconsin but he moved to Los Angeles early in his life. My cousin and his brother grew up in Los Angeles, and they saw non-Caucasians growing up. I didn't.
I have always been in the minority as far as the neighborhood and the schools I went to growing up. I feel comfortable navigating around the restaurants and shops in NYC Chinatown. The most Chinese people I hang with are my family and cousins, but I also have some Asian friends.
Guess what ...Asians who live in Asia also dont relate to Asians who live in the US ( I live in Japan ).
Because the culture isn't the same. Japan has it's own unique culture. Canada has it's own unique culture. The US has it's own unique culture. Any people with Japanese heritage raised in these places will most likely not realate to each other at all because culturally they are quite different.
@@Not-Ap USA hated it's own culture because they always tie it to their slave history, there's a reason why they are so proud to be a "melting pot of cultures", the problem is they try to modify other cultures with their own moral standards kinda like a semi-pseudo-neo-colonical lecturing.
it is sad, aunts, uncles,cousins and other relatives separated by environments
Over the decades, Black Americans and Hispanic Americans have carved out very specific niches for themselves in the US. Are there any examples of blended Asian and American cultures creating a new culture niches in the US?
Being a Miao/Hmong alongside a homosexual isn’t very easy to relate to Asians, I grew up predominately in a white and black community.
watched to the end, You have great talent of talking but not answering the question :D
In a nutshell, in exclaves, you experience discrimination and stereotyping.
Not so in enclaves.
i wish i was an enclave asian it's so amazing to see non asians eating at and going to asian areas and knowing the dish names and tiny bit of lingo in my area the main asians are viet but somehow everyone thinks were chinese still and the only viet food that they know yet don't know is viet is pho
It goes without saying that surely there will be a lot of cultural differences but personally the most annoying thing are those who claim and say that they are proud Filipino but do not speak a bit of any Filipino language.
Because Filipinos are proud Spanish-Orientals.
@@casper-z9rkls6gl it's a joke. only 2 % of filipinos have some spanish ancestry
Why is that annoying? im filipino so what if those guys in the US don't speak any filipino language they still have our DNA. Heck even here in the Philippines some speak English first than any filipino language.
@@onesoul1s yeah thats true, infact there would be more Chinese ancestry while there is also like 5% Indian ancestry depending on some areas. Most are pure austronesian. Thou if i may add the Study can be a bit misleading because the study was done in an area not so much historically under Spanish rule. The studies was mostly done in rural areas it kinda bothers me why historical areas Such as Manila, Cebu and even bicol are not as represented especially Metro manila area where its soo densely populated and most where the Spanish resided.
Interesting stuff.