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  • Опубліковано 9 сер 2023
  • Ex-Scientologist Jon Atack explains how Scientology was the making of serial killer cult leader Charles Manson. Manson did more hours of Scientology auditing than Jon, who was in the cult for almost a decade. #scientology #mansonfamily #cult
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 846

  • @AndrewGold1
    @AndrewGold1  Рік тому +214

    Did you know Manson was a Scientologist? Hit like, and let me know below!

    • @jojowynne233
      @jojowynne233 Рік тому +17

      No idea whatsoever! I thought he wanted to be the “Messiah” himself. Or some type of rock god with the Beach Boys affiliation- I think it was Dennis Wilson?

    • @maryannlockwood7806
      @maryannlockwood7806 Рік тому +14

      No! I had no idea. And I thought I knew a lot about this time in history. You can learn something new everyday. Really enjoyed listening to this on Patreon this morning.🎧

    • @Eire68
      @Eire68 Рік тому +12

      Good evening Andrew Never heard that at all , I’ll look forward to hearing his involvement.

    • @Etzuka0
      @Etzuka0 Рік тому +13

      No never heard that, and I've seen quite a few documentaries

    • @cathy_clarinet
      @cathy_clarinet Рік тому +8

      I knew there was a connection between Manson and Sc-ogy but I didn’t think he was a full on member

  • @sissy4506
    @sissy4506 Рік тому +20

    Why does he laugh when telling about killing the elephant with LSD? There is NO humor in that.Scientology is HORRIBLE

    • @erinelizabethmsw5137
      @erinelizabethmsw5137 4 місяці тому +1

      I’d think because sometimes humans laugh and things that are sad and absurd. It’s a coping mechanism.

    • @Lizziethistle66
      @Lizziethistle66 Місяць тому

      Think it's nerves maybe?

    • @ramiabiakar2391
      @ramiabiakar2391 Місяць тому

      Black humor check it out.

  • @tonkysue207
    @tonkysue207 9 місяців тому +8

    Anyone who abused animals ,evil.poor innocent elephant.

  • @octobermoon9
    @octobermoon9 Рік тому +56

    I was not aware Manson studied Scientology. This is fascinating, thank you.

    • @jonatack7693
      @jonatack7693 Рік тому +3

      Thank you!

    • @lronhubbard8580
      @lronhubbard8580 11 місяців тому +1

      Dianetics

    • @Uncanny_Mountain
      @Uncanny_Mountain 10 місяців тому

      L Ron Hubbard the founder of Scientology was Crowley's protege, and they both had something to do with Trump's birth too
      He was born on Alister Crowley's birthday as the Moon Child on a Super Wolf Blood Moon
      It's also known as the Day of Osiris or day of the Pharoah marking the Monsoon season as in Storm Gods
      He paints himself Orange to represent Apollo, the Golden Dawn.
      Prince William was also born on the Summer Solstice, 7 days later. Remember Diana, for which Dianetics was named per the Greek Hecate, was of the opinion the whole thing was some kind of ritual
      Then there's Saville and Epstein and their coincidence with Tate, Peterson, Rogan, Barr, Bannon,etc
      Donald John Trump (King John the Great) Born to Fred Christ and Mary McKleod on a Super Wolf Blood Moon 700 days before the founding of israel on the day of the Pharaoh, 7 days before the Summer Solstice.
      He lived in 666ft Trump tower on the 66th floor in a 33,000 square foot Penthouse modelled after Versailles in Paris, built by Lious XIV the Sun King. He was inaugurated on the 100 year anniversary of the Bolsheviks aged 70 years, 7 months and 7 days old, moving the embassy to Jerusalem on israel's 70th anniversary. Baron is another name for Fuehrer, a Title bestowed by the Holy Roman Empire.
      Trump's Gay KGB mentor Roy Cohn ran the Boystown sex ring for Reagan and Bush Snr, Soros gave him $160 million in 2004 for bad loans on 666ft Trump Tower, where he lives in a penthouse modelled after Napoleon's Versailles on the 66th floor. Soros also gave Kushner $250 million to develop the rfid chips being used to track individual batches of Corona vaccine at 666 5th ave. The test kits too were patents belong to Rosschild.
      Clearly Epstein was working for Trump, who is related to Hillary, and both share charities started by Epstein at the same tax haven address 1209 Nth Orange st Delaware (Biden's seat) where 250k companies occupy the same building. Pelosi's father was a prominent member of the Chicago Mob.
      Trump's other mentor Norman Vincent Peale was a 33rd degree Master Mason, and his job as a real estate mogul makes Trump an Architect of sorts.

    • @user-is3hp2wx7b
      @user-is3hp2wx7b 6 місяців тому

      THe 2 wealthiest SCIENTOLOGISTS are the third and fifth largest donors to the Trump mechanism. As a victim of both, its becomeing more obvious just how these clowns are harming their vicitms, witnesses, jurors and such. And the remaining members of top Trumo donors? A virtual reality company (explaining the VR rape and extreme surveilance tactics) and even a recycling company> Nothing scientologists love more than access to your every move (think proxy stalking en mass), the ability to extort thier victims with home invasion, rape with filming and serial public harassment (also a well honed scientology mechanism). Scientologist also love love love to buy your trash. What a better way to control a narrative than with the victims very own receycling and trash> WAKE UP people. FOLLOW THE MONEY!!

    • @Callmethebreeze902
      @Callmethebreeze902 6 місяців тому

      Wouldn’t he have been too poor?

  • @maureenmatthews7257
    @maureenmatthews7257 Рік тому +35

    This has to be one of the MOST INTERESTING INTERVIEWS I have ever seen/heard. Kudos to you for having this brilliant man on your show, and my compliments to your guest for his brilliance. I will go check him out and I will certainly keep on tuning into you, you darling boy! (I can say that because I'm 65)

    • @websurfer5772
      @websurfer5772 Рік тому +2

      I just found him on YT at: jon atack, family & friends
      It looks intriguing.

    • @jonatack7693
      @jonatack7693 Рік тому +3

      How very kind, thank you!

    • @maureenmatthews7257
      @maureenmatthews7257 Рік тому

      Sir, you are a gentleman and a scholar! The Thanks belongs to you and I appreciate your sharing.@@jonatack7693

    • @DC-cv9ch
      @DC-cv9ch 11 місяців тому +1

      I love your comment.

  • @butoolkhan2715
    @butoolkhan2715 Рік тому +35

    I Googled Dianne Lake as I had never heard of her before. In one of the articles it says Manson had studied Scientology before he recruited his first family member soon after his release from prison. Are we to conclude that there are books on Scientology available in prison libraries? Books read by vulnerable, psychotic, evil, men, giving them tips on how to control their victims. If true, it’s madness. 31:27 He love bombed this poor, plain librarian using methods he picked up from his reading. Had he not had this method of control could he have become the charismatic leader, this weedy, physically unattractive man? How different could he have been without that knowledge?

    • @allenschmitz9644
      @allenschmitz9644 Рік тому +4

      Prison con, no diffrent.

    • @southbug27
      @southbug27 Рік тому +10

      I don’t know about prison libraries, but I can tell you that the Scientology book, Dianetics, was in my library in the 1980s & 1990s in a town of 50,000 in the Southern USA. I always meant to read it because there were always Dianetic commercials on tv; the book seemed so mysterious. Since Charles Manson was in prison in California & Scientology was big there at that time, I think it’s very likely that Dianetics was in the prison library. Some prison libraries are made up entirely of donated books; If the Scientology books were in my area, which was pro-Christian at that time, the Scientology peope would’ve made it a mission to get their books all over California back then & up until recently.
      Charles Manson was known to be a problem manipulator when he was a small child. He got a bunch of girls to beat up a boy Manson didn’t like at school when Manson was just 6-years-old so I don’t think we can blame Scientology for Manson’s manipulations. He was already practicing that at 6-years-old & defended the manipulation to the teacher when it happened. He had likely already done practice runs on getting other children to do things before that fight at 6. He would’ve actively searched for materials to help him manipulate people from the start.

    • @butoolkhan2715
      @butoolkhan2715 Рік тому +6

      I was an avid Science-Fi reader in the golden age of Asimov, Clarke, Bova, Bester, Heinlein, and all the John Campbell writers L. Ron Hubbard while fairly popular was not among the greats. He obviously was influenced by Sci-Fi themes, what with lizards, alien mother planet and all that jazz. Gradually it became what we now know. In the early days I don’t think people were too aware of what Scientology was and many libraries around the world must have had Dianetics on their shelves either thinking it was a science book or another Sci-Fi. It’s not so much mysterious as puzzling. How could intelligent people fall for its schtick? Millions did and still do. A lot of it is dangerous and it’s injunctions and instructions in the wrong hands could do much harm.

    • @southbug27
      @southbug27 Рік тому +2

      @@butoolkhan2715 I never actually read Dianetics because I always wanted to read something else more, & the last few times I had looked for it it was checked out & then reported missing. Honestly, I forgot all about it for years. The only reason I was interested in it at all was because if the constant tv commercials making it seem interesting & mysterious. Can you give a summary of the book? Was it sort of the Scientology Bible?

    • @butoolkhan2715
      @butoolkhan2715 Рік тому

      It was published in 1950. Seventy three years ago. What he wrote in that book and the way his organisation has evolved maybe not what he intended. Forgive me if I don’t remember it too well, it was a long time ago an I just couldn’t finish it. It was a mish mash of science, scientific speculation, Eastern mysticism, Freudian notes which is kind of weird as modern Scientology is dead set against all mental therapy and therapists. They believe they are all charlatans and Scientology will give you all the support you need. He advocated something he called auditing, which is still part of their ethos - to listen and absorb. It was all a little too hokey for me but some to this day believe it’s the best book ever, others that it clarified their life. Every movement no matter how crazy or evil will find SOME followers, they are just better at than most and with their billions they can advertise, subvert and undermine systems in innumerable countries. Some countries are waking up to the fact that they are NOT a religion and this should not have tax free status. Any organisation, I don’t which or from where, that controls people, makes them break and punish their families, shrouded in secrecy and persecuted anyone who dares to leave goes against every humane and democratic principles. Why should any outfit be above criticism and what gives them the right to go after those who criticise them? It’s all too arcane and secretive.

  • @OuryLN
    @OuryLN Рік тому +105

    Terry Melcher, music producer, son of Doris Day, said David Crosby was one of the two most bothersome client he ever had, with Manson being the other.

    • @okukuhermit
      @okukuhermit Рік тому +12

      Yes Laural Canyon..

    • @lornahuddleston1453
      @lornahuddleston1453 Рік тому +9

      Man, that's harsh! I never heard Terry Melchior make such a rash comment. Sure, David Crosby was supposed to be a pain in ass. But, so was Neil Young. He's getting off easy!

    • @NotaTeamPlayer01
      @NotaTeamPlayer01 Рік тому

      Terry was a Nancy boy candy (no pun intended) arse, if Terry Day wasn’t such an arrogant cream puff who thought nothing of making all sorts of promises to those beneath him, which was everyone else, it’s no coincidence that Terry put Manson on the promise initially regarding his songs, only then to pretend he never knew him and encouraged Dennis to poach one of the songs Manson had written to be only slightly changed ending up on a future beach boys album to boot, and you can bet your life Terry would have been paid a tribute when said song on that beach boys album started paying dividends.
      Manson was a maggot, a low life little prick,
      But so was Melcher, if Melcher had been a lot less arrogant and a bit more thoughtful in the way he treated people, especially Manson, instead of acting like Laurel Canyon royalty, snubbing and using people at his behest, there is a very good chance that Manson would never had had a thing about that Cielo Dr House , and Sharon and the others including he soon to be born son would have lived beyond the 1960’s.
      He’d have almost certainly decided to send Tex and Atkins and co elsewhere to do evil, but who knows, instead of multiple murders, maybe there would have been less victims as a result of that pathetic grand plan he was preaching to all those imbeciles he had hanging round him about the Panthers going to try and take over L.A and then the entire world so it was up to that smelly little weirdo to get the ball rolling and like some upside down world Sun Tzu who’s philosophies were doomed from the time he barked them at Those dunces who ended up doing exactly what he wanted them to even though it was ludicrous and I’m sure they knew in their hearts that they’d never get away with it, but to upset Charlie wasn’t an option in their heads.
      Atkins and her ilk would have made good Scientologists, but they’d have made much better followers of Jones Peoples temple.

    • @jonatack7693
      @jonatack7693 Рік тому +4

      I've read that Melcher excluded all of The Byrds except McGuinn from the Mr Tambourine Man sessions because he reckoned they couldn't play. Crosby does have a bit of a rep!

    • @tynosille6747
      @tynosille6747 Рік тому

      Melcher wouldn't of had shit were it not for mommy

  • @Polyphemus47
    @Polyphemus47 Рік тому +53

    I could listen to the two of you all night. I was 22 in 1969, so the news gave me enough background to follow along, and learn some new (to me) revelations. The cherry on top was bringing pop music (my one true love) into the conversation. I'll find Jon's channel, and binge - so glad you introduced me to him here!

    • @websurfer5772
      @websurfer5772 Рік тому +4

      I just found him on YT at: jon atack, family & friends
      It looks intriguing.

    • @jonatack7693
      @jonatack7693 Рік тому +4

      Enjoy your binge and please comment along the way! Thanks!

    • @jonatack7693
      @jonatack7693 Рік тому

      @@websurfer5772 Thanks!

    • @MrMick560
      @MrMick560 9 місяців тому +2

      Me too.

  • @WrightMW
    @WrightMW Рік тому +10

    IF THIS GUY CALLS JOLLY WEST A FRIEND YOU CANT TRUST HIM ARE YOU KIDDING ME. THE SAME JOLLY WEST WHO EVALUATED JACK RUBY AND CAUSED HIM TO HAVE A PSYCHOTIC BREAK

  • @nodiggity9472
    @nodiggity9472 Рік тому +72

    The free clinic Jon mentions at the beginning was actually funded by the Folger Foundation and run administratively by Abi Folger's mother. Manson's probation officer acted as a kind of liason between the correction services, the FBI and the free clinic, and it turns out he was a CIA plant all along, (Roger Smith) with the singular brief of being Manson's PO. When Charlie attended the clinic, he was often driving a red Ferrari that he'd borrowed from "the clinic lady's daughter's friend". (Bearing in mind this was way before the 'murders') The 'clinic lady's daughter' was Abi Folger, and the 'friend' was Sharon Tate (who owned a red Ferrari at the time)
    The whole 'Helter Skelter' narrative was a fiction put together by Bugliosi. Tom O'Niell's book uncovers some fun connections, but really, it's just another romp through the lore. He found the real narrative, and backed off more than once. The Scientology connection IS there. Charlie did go through programming in jail, and Scientology was involved, but it was carried out under the security umbrella of MKUltra. The whole Manson Show was about mind control, that's true. But people totally miss it's sheer scale. The trial was just the start of it. It was only when the arrests were made, the real psy-op began. The people running it had no idea how successful it would be, so they leaned into it. The brief was to see how to create and control a completely fictional narrative. "The Charlie Show".

    • @jonatack7693
      @jonatack7693 Рік тому +7

      Can you give me sources?

    • @wcolautti
      @wcolautti Рік тому +5

      @@jonatack7693Legitimate sources.

    • @Spherical_El
      @Spherical_El Рік тому

      Also I think Jon Atack, you failed to notice or point out that Dr Jolly West was proven to be CIAs own Black Sorcerer's (Goltlieb) right hand man.
      Vital information uncovered in Tom O'Neill's book.
      The parol skipping ability is a huge red flag that Manson and his family were assets.
      So scientology yes - your added information is very good - but it seems there is a whole lot more to Manson.
      Sure no direct connection to West, except they worked in the same building - but West was up to soo much badness throughout his life.
      The Elephant for a start was 1000 times overdose (did he read the label wrong?); the Jack Ruby interview- he loses his mind during, which is the goal West was set by Golieb.
      That's in the book.
      Manson achieved the goal of COINTELPRO and Chaos against the whole 60s hippy movement.
      The movement itself a great LSD experiment that West is seen observing there in the crash pad.

    • @amalgamating
      @amalgamating Рік тому +12

      Manson was a boys town orphan

    • @joejones9520
      @joejones9520 Рік тому +4

      @@jonatack7693 his imagination

  • @KathleenMcCormickLCSWMPH
    @KathleenMcCormickLCSWMPH Рік тому +31

    Excellent uncovering of another layer of intrigue regarding the driving forces that contributed to Manson’s manipulations.
    A friend of mine was one of the Manson family’s unsolved murders. She moved to LA from upstate NY after she became a Scientologist and resided in a house with other Scientologists not far from headquarters in LA. She was stabbed many times and was left in a back alley with another young male Scientologist who suffered a similar fate. She had dated one of the Manson clan, either Beausoleil, Davis or Tex Watson, I can’t recall which. Definite connection there…..

    • @jonatack7693
      @jonatack7693 Рік тому

      Can you give a name and any other information (not necessarily through a comments section...)

    • @silvergirl7810
      @silvergirl7810 Рік тому +4

      This all is just blowing my mind! I feel like we’re getting a crap ton of info recently that is all connected- many things that maybe I suspected but hearing it all like this is just crazy!

    • @KathleenMcCormickLCSWMPH
      @KathleenMcCormickLCSWMPH Рік тому +1

      @@jonatack7693I want to respect the family so I don’t want to give her name but you can find the incident in the epilogue of the book, Helter Skelter.

    • @julesjay424
      @julesjay424 Рік тому +3

      Vincent Bugliosi wasn’t exactly the stand up man he claimed to be

    • @alisonmercer5946
      @alisonmercer5946 Рік тому +1

      I had just Read another comment referring to these 2 unsolved murders 😮

  • @joward481
    @joward481 Рік тому +40

    I could listen to Jon Atack all day, really enjoy the way he explains things. Thanks for a great interview Andrew 👏

    • @websurfer5772
      @websurfer5772 Рік тому +4

      Me too, I hope he comes back on soon. What a treasure he is, especially for those of us who like the '60s, history, rocknroll, and learning about the nefarious underpinnings of our current civilization, so we can understand what the heck is going on.

    • @jonatack7693
      @jonatack7693 Рік тому +3

      Most encouraging, thank you!😊

    • @jonatack7693
      @jonatack7693 Рік тому

      @@websurfer5772 Appreciated!

  • @joggingscissors632
    @joggingscissors632 11 місяців тому +12

    This is my first experience listening to Jon Atack and I'm extremely impressed with his breadth of knowledge in so many disparate subjects.......and he's very likeable, too.
    Such a soothing voice. I might listen to him when I need to fall asleep.
    😁
    Thanks for the great video!

  • @russl9029
    @russl9029 11 місяців тому +4

    I had heard years ago from someone who used to be in Scientology that Manson was involved with it, but then I read multiple places that it wasn't true. So I never knew what to believe. Thank you for the clarification.

  • @lynghee159
    @lynghee159 Рік тому +17

    Thank you both!
    Had ALWAYS thought there was way more to the grotesque Manson murders & Scientology's perverse connection explains it.
    Godspeed to you & yours

    • @jonatack7693
      @jonatack7693 Рік тому +3

      Thanks!🙂

    • @deekenny602
      @deekenny602 Рік тому +2

      Having lived through the times, albeit young at the time- this all tracks.

  • @mscinders9449
    @mscinders9449 Рік тому +8

    Manson and Miscavage are both 5'2.......which is damn SHORT!!! Didn't know Manson was into scientology, but not shocked to hear it. Thanks for a great interview!!

  • @JamesRichardWiley
    @JamesRichardWiley 11 місяців тому +3

    Charley gave up on his Scientology course in prison. It was too crazy even for him.

  • @julialena3150
    @julialena3150 Рік тому +9

    Cant help but think that scientologys involvement with manson being kept under wraps is not a coincidence

    • @jonatackfamilyfriends6176
      @jonatackfamilyfriends6176 11 місяців тому +2

      It was very deliberate. The cult threatened to sue and forced a retraction as early as 1971. I published in 1990 with no reaction (maybe David Miscavige hasn't heard of Manson...). Psychology Today withdrew the claim that he'd spent 150 hours receiving their 'processing' just a few weeks ago. They surely don't want to be positioned against Manson - or Danny Masterson for that matter.

  • @FreeXenuProject
    @FreeXenuProject Рік тому +19

    Andrew, Awesome interview, Andrew Atack I didn't know some of this stuff about Manson! This was very interesting, Thank you both, more people need to talk about this. You bring up a good point, I think your right LRH and Charles Manson knew what they were doing, and in the end they both went crazy, Like you said Hubbard didn't know what was real anymore, and Manson, he most likely went crazy from his solitary confinement but he definitely wasn't all there many years before he died. With Miscavige's violence and ridiculous press releases, I don't think he's in touch with reality anymore either.

    • @jonatack7693
      @jonatack7693 Рік тому +6

      Manson was born vicious - he committed his first armed robberies as a teenager, raped another boy at knifepoint and was a pimp. I think he seriously believed he was Jesus reincarnated. Hubbard thought he was Maitreya - the Buddha who will take all humanity to nirvana. It didn't work out that way....

    • @FreeXenuProject
      @FreeXenuProject Рік тому +1

      @jonatack7693 yes he about grew up in a prison system one way or another.

  • @gincee6156
    @gincee6156 Рік тому +6

    It sounds like Hubbard & Hitler had a lot in common - the stare, the urge to control everybody, the degrading, insulting behaviour at least.

    • @thomastrain7311
      @thomastrain7311 2 місяці тому

      It's because hubbard borrowed from many different cults and pagan practices, black magic etc as did the nazis in their day. History repeats

  • @DipityS
    @DipityS Рік тому +34

    I could listen to Mr Jon Atack for hours. I respect and appreciate his deep understanding of this topic and his ability to bring the disparate together into a whole along with a talent for teaching which allows me to understand more fully this entire - what does he call it - totalitarian control groups I think. He's fascinating to listen to.

    • @jonatack7693
      @jonatack7693 Рік тому +4

      You are most kind, thank you. I tend to use 'authoritarian' and at times use my friend Christian Szurko's 'extreme authoritarian sects'. I moved to 'authoritarian' in the recent edition of Opening Our Minds because authoritarianism seems to me the essential problem of humanity - it doesn't have to become 'total authoritarianism' (or totalitarianism - coined for Mussolini, I believe).

    • @alisonmercer5946
      @alisonmercer5946 Рік тому +1

      My group is different we really are anti authoritarian

  • @hellemarc4767
    @hellemarc4767 Рік тому +25

    Manson wasn't 5'7'', he was more like 5'3 (154 - 157 cm). Look at pictures where you see him walk next to average-sized cops when he goes to trial for instance.

    • @ChunkyChewJu
      @ChunkyChewJu Рік тому +5

      Wikipedia says Manson was 5' 2"

    • @hellemarc4767
      @hellemarc4767 Рік тому

      @@ChunkyChewJu yes, it would be 157 cm, that's more like it.

    • @TadiKAT
      @TadiKAT Рік тому

      Yes.... a Tiny man.

    • @jonatack7693
      @jonatack7693 Рік тому

      Despite its many benefits, Wikipedia is not monitored. The Hollywood Reporter gives almost 5'7". His prison records should give an accurate figure. Don't have it yet.

    • @user-kv1jr7kq6p
      @user-kv1jr7kq6p Рік тому +2

      Whoa. Oompa loompa territory.

  • @rw4754
    @rw4754 Рік тому +6

    Greatest line in the Sopranos, "Don't be giving me them Manson lamps!"

  • @myboloneyhasafirstname6764
    @myboloneyhasafirstname6764 Рік тому +15

    I think Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is wonderful. I loved the ending. It exorcized my demons accumulated when I read Hester Skelter in High School.

  • @immortalbird2300
    @immortalbird2300 Рік тому +7

    Tom O Neill may have overlooked the scientology connection, but I trust his information about Lous Jollyon West. He was clearly involved with MK Ultra. Shocking how Jon Atack wants to portray him as some harmless guy. Also the story with the elephant is disturbing and not funny at all.

    • @tracyking4518
      @tracyking4518 Рік тому +3

      I agree, the elephant story is sick, not at all funny. I'm shocked it wasn't edited out.

  • @bear4772
    @bear4772 Рік тому +11

    I can highly recommend Jon Atacks channel. He is a treasure trove of information and a genuine pleasure to listen to. Thank you for this talk, very enjoyable and informative :)

  • @russteek9
    @russteek9 Рік тому +43

    Jon, You don't mention Bruce Davis, a member of the family who is still in prison. He supposedly was on staff at the scientology place on Totenham Court Road, and also lived in a scientology berthing building on Beacon St. in L.A. where various staff of scientology lived, in the immediate neighborhood of LA org, AOLA, and CCLA. There were two young teen scientologists who were murdered in that neighborhood at that time, in a very Manson-like m.o. That is to say, they were found naked with multiple stab wounds. The girl victim was said to have known Bruce Davis, from the Beacon street boarding house. There was also a similar murder in London, when Bruce Davis was there, involving the husband of one of the manson girls, who had become an enemy of the family. Bruce was not directly involved with the Tate or LaBianca killings, presumably because he wasn't in L.A at the time. He was also present when one of the family supposedly killed himself playing russian roulette.

    • @heyokaempath5802
      @heyokaempath5802 Рік тому +1

      Are you talking about the "suicide" of Zero?

    • @russteek9
      @russteek9 Рік тому +4

      @@heyokaempath5802 That sounds right. The family called the police and told them the russian roulette/suicide story (though the gun was fully loaded).

    • @themenna007
      @themenna007 Рік тому +1

      Thanks for the name. Just confirmed by checking wiki, although I'll probably look a bit further

    • @andrewjohnson388
      @andrewjohnson388 Рік тому +4

      Some looking at Davis as possible Zodiac killer too, with aspects of their cult ideals and symbols.

    • @jonatack7693
      @jonatack7693 Рік тому +2

      Thanks for this. Very useful. Yes, I do know about Bruce Davis but there are contradictions in the time line. Two other members of the Family had an involvement with Scientology. Davis's involvement is crucial. I hadn't heard about his time at Tottenham Court Rd. Do you have a timeline for his involvement? Any idea of the courses or 'auditing' that he did?

  • @jimmtech
    @jimmtech Рік тому +13

    Always love to hear him talk - great stories! Great guest !

  • @hshx1n
    @hshx1n Рік тому +5

    Having spent a lot of time in California my impression is that a lot of programs are repackaged Scientology, I don’t know to what extent since i was never in Scientology.

  • @jojowynne233
    @jojowynne233 Рік тому +18

    I so wish I was going to be awake for this! It’s 11:22pm now and I’m just going to sleep. 60 minutes Australia just used that same picture of Tom in an Extra Minutes video with Claire and Marc talking about their experiences with him in Scientology auditing and counselling. Claire told the story of when she had to fail him and DM overruled her and blamed the equipment 😂. I’ll look forward to this replay. Good Night Andrew 😴

    • @pixie3760
      @pixie3760 Рік тому +2

      Yes, I know the feeling I'm rarely awake for the lives, the time difference is a pain!

    • @jojowynne233
      @jojowynne233 Рік тому +1

      @@pixie3760 I wish I could go to sleep early and set an alarm but I think Andrew’s videos would come on about 4:30am here I’m guessing?

    • @pixie3760
      @pixie3760 Рік тому +1

      @@jojowynne233 yep, that's right. The very few times I have been awake at that time, he's been on, but I can't stay awake that time of the day and usually crash back out until around 8 when it's all over, lol.

    • @jojowynne233
      @jojowynne233 Рік тому +1

      @@pixie3760 good on ya for giving it a go. I reckon I’d struggle too and fall back to sleep. 😴

  • @raygreen5926
    @raygreen5926 Рік тому +6

    And one of the lawyers , Ronald Hughes, disappeared in 1970 up in the wilderness of Ventura county who represented Van Houten...is still not known if this was foul play or misadventure..
    but these were strange days 🇺🇸🚔🇺🇸

    • @skindianu
      @skindianu Рік тому

      Van Houten was just paroled.

    • @jonatack7693
      @jonatack7693 Рік тому +2

      They were, as The Doors said, Strange Days, indeed,

  • @reddwood4971
    @reddwood4971 Рік тому +13

    I found this to be the most fascinating video you’ve done yet Andrew. I tip my hat off to you. I had no idea of the use of these other drugs I always assumed it was just lsd. And although I knew Manson had studied Scientology I didn’t realize it was to such a great extent but it certainty makes sense that he would gain the tools to control and manipulate people that way. Once again major props for such a fascinating and thorough discussion. Keep ‘em coming my friend

  • @Celestial-Bleu
    @Celestial-Bleu Рік тому +9

    Poor Elephant 🐘😞.

  • @fiv4663
    @fiv4663 Рік тому +11

    Incredible interview Andrew, very eye-opening, thank you to Jon Atack for sharing his experiences.

  • @praiagrande1579
    @praiagrande1579 Рік тому +3

    Very sad, sick and disturbing 😕
    This is criminal issue

  • @ivanasimic2072
    @ivanasimic2072 Місяць тому +1

    Thank you both !!!! God bless you Jon , big respect, sharing over here in europe Croatia

  • @emmachase942
    @emmachase942 Рік тому +11

    Love listening to Jon Atack! Great interview! 👍

  • @jackwild8019
    @jackwild8019 28 днів тому +1

    We must never forget the disappearance of the Manson lawyer Ronald Hughes. These were indeed strange times. And also the sojourn of Bruce Davies in England circa 1968 🏛🌅

  • @MayimHastings
    @MayimHastings Рік тому +7

    This was so much fun! Jon just might be my favorite guest you’ve had yet! Your personalities and graceful sarcasm really complement one another. 💖

  • @user-fe2jj4op3q
    @user-fe2jj4op3q Рік тому +23

    Absolutely brilliant interview, one of the best Andrew has done. Thank you so much, I enjoyed it immensely.

    • @jonatack7693
      @jonatack7693 Рік тому +2

      Wow! You are so kind, thanks! Plenty more at jon atack, family and friends.

    • @user-fe2jj4op3q
      @user-fe2jj4op3q Рік тому

      @@jonatack7693 I am definitely subscribing immediately, you will be one of the few people I have encountered on UA-cam, who is truly intelligent and extremely well read, some thing I absolutely appreciate.

  • @roseswallow5133
    @roseswallow5133 11 місяців тому +2

    To start with, I'm 5 ft 1 in tall and 72 yo female. I was around, and young, when all of this was happening. I think I'm tall because my husband was 5 ft 6 in tall and the biggest and dearest person I ever knew. We were married for 43 years before Agent Orange finally won out. I am enjoying this interview, just found it today. I am a Christian and love Jesus Christ. If this gets erased, I still had my say. TY for this wonderful interview. I just subscribed to both of ya'll's sites. Yeap, I'm Southern to the bone and proud of it. My two biggest memories are of the Kennedy assassination, and yes, it was a conspiracy, and everybody knows Oswald was the biggest patsy of the 20th century. I met a Mooney and they tried to sell me a rose. I asked if they were a Mooney and when they said yes, I refused the rose. Oh what memories.

  • @TadiKAT
    @TadiKAT Рік тому +4

    THIS IS BRILLIANT! Thanks Andrew for sharing this knowledgeable guest ! WOW 😮

    • @dannykelly5628
      @dannykelly5628 6 місяців тому +1

      He is not knowledgeable about Manson on everything he said.

  • @Celestial-Bleu
    @Celestial-Bleu Рік тому +11

    I'm very interested in the gang/group stalking. I'd love to hear about a victim who became a survivor. Brought thier perp to justice and how they did it.

    • @jonatack7693
      @jonatack7693 Рік тому +1

      Let me think about it. If I come up with something, I'll let you know. I do know many thriving survivors of authoritarian groups - including a 25 year former member of the MEK terrorist group.

  • @JudgmentDayIsComming
    @JudgmentDayIsComming Рік тому +5

    BRILLIANT !!!!! Please Sir come again , Only 23mins in to this interview and just awesome this man has so much detailed information that one can really get their teeth into…. Completely interesting one of if not THE BEST GUEST to date!!

  • @vonickles5033
    @vonickles5033 Рік тому +7

    Great show guys! Excellent show, thankies Mr gold whom chooses great guests xx

  • @silvergirl7810
    @silvergirl7810 Рік тому +3

    One of your BEST interviews- I could have listened all night. This is just amazing information- Jon is so knowledgeable- what a treasure to have on! Thank you!!

  • @graceskyephoto
    @graceskyephoto Рік тому +11

    Definitely interested in his book after this interview! I will say, I’m actually surprised. Listening to him, how well spoken he is, and how knowledgeable he is, I thought he was maybe a psychologist focusing on cults and such. I appreciate all his knowledge and what was shared during this interview. I think it’s one of my faves!

    • @jonatack7693
      @jonatack7693 Рік тому +5

      I'm honored, thank you. I've spent forty years analyzing authoritarian groups - starting with a deep, deep dive into Scientology (resulting in my book Let's Sell These People a Piece of Blue Sky and many articles, papers and videos - including a five-day seminar in 2015 with 26 other speakers). My study has included religious cults from the Greek mystery cults of antiquity to contemporary terrorists. My focus is on authoritarianism - people who believe they should rule the world and those who believe them. I've explored that topic in Opening Our Minds and on my YT channel - jon atack, family and friends. If I can land a deal, I'll explain the precise steps taken by Manson to create his Family - a mixture of pimping techniques, Dale Carnegie, his Jesus complex, Scientology, LSD and a bizarre misinterpretation of the White Album.

    • @alisonmercer5946
      @alisonmercer5946 Рік тому

      I've never heard of this guy before but maybe I have read stuff by him if he has been into cults and any authoritarian things ? I'm gonna purposely look for his stuff cause I effing hate authoritarianism and I see it all around

  • @Aspiring-Hobo
    @Aspiring-Hobo Рік тому +3

    The Carlos Casteneda books were out and being read by "that crowd" during the hippie era, and one of the main drugs used in that book was Jimson Weed

  • @willashriver1356
    @willashriver1356 Рік тому +9

    A datura relative grows wild in American farmlands. We call it 'jimpson weed'.
    A guy I knew from high school chewed up some jimpson seeds, even knowing the dangers. A couple of hospital stays and several months later... he was never the same. ☹

    • @Lollipop_Lexi
      @Lollipop_Lexi Рік тому +5

      Yeah. Two friends of mine (sisters) deliberately took daytura to trip. They started freaking out, their dad (a doctor) told them to throw up. One did, and got through it. The other couldn’t and was never the same.

    • @skindianu
      @skindianu Рік тому +2

      Yeah, that stuff grows all over, where I'm from. I read a news article, years ago about three boys who ate some. One survived, barely with permanent blindness. Another has since been in and out of psychiatric hospitals and the third one died.

    • @jonatack7693
      @jonatack7693 Рік тому +2

      It was jimsonweed (not 'belladonna' as Manson and Watson both said). Useful to hear of the permanent effect. Incredible that most authors fail to understand the effect of this awful deleriant. It was banned by the Raj in India after a report continued to crimininalise alcohol and keep cannabis legal...

    • @jonatack7693
      @jonatack7693 Рік тому +1

      @@skindianu It makes the hallucinogens seem like childsplay. Incredibly, in the War on Drugs this awful substance has remained legal...

    • @skindianu
      @skindianu Рік тому

      @@jonatack7693 what category of drugs does it fall under? Is it considered psychotropic?

  • @AK.kje11
    @AK.kje11 Рік тому +5

    Incredibly interesting. Another piece of the puzzle. Thanks to both of you.

  • @brendatanner1259
    @brendatanner1259 Рік тому +3

    my knowledge is limited, but I do believe that cm was one of the first public figures to have the "stare" that I now associate with m k ultra. Most school shooters had the same when first arrested.

  • @0therun1t21
    @0therun1t21 Рік тому +5

    I'm not surprised, I've heard something about Manson and Scoentology but not the story, thanks for having him tell it.

    • @jonatack7693
      @jonatack7693 Рік тому

      Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment.

  • @Ann-qf5vk
    @Ann-qf5vk 9 місяців тому

    I lost my beautiful wonderful highly intelligent best friend to Scientology. She had to detach from me as I didn't comply. She was actually one of or maybe the first woman air traffic controllers in Scotland. She was friends with Harry Lauder's sister. She sang at the abbey in Iona. There is a recording of that somewhere in the archives of some mainstream media.

  • @niamhryan2973
    @niamhryan2973 Рік тому +5

    Loved this. Jon is so cool and very amiable. I was wondering Andrew if you could do a podcast on Jim Jones and his alleged association with the CIA, that he was an operative, apparently he learned all the mind control techniques, while he was in Brazil for about 2 years in the 1960's. I think there was a book by Mike Mieres, discussing Jonestown was a CIA medical experiment, the Peoples Temple group was seen targeted by the authorities as a Black subversive group.
    Thanks and best wishes...

    • @whorlwinds.9750
      @whorlwinds.9750 10 місяців тому +1

      Thank you, @niamhryan2973, for this info about Jim Jones. I had no clue

  • @karentranter7806
    @karentranter7806 Рік тому +2

    Hi Andrew ♥
    Another great interview.
    Jon is so intelligent.
    I didnt know that Manson studied Scientology.
    Thank you Andrew xxx 💝

  • @myrawells5691
    @myrawells5691 10 місяців тому +1

    This is great. I’m just starting to read Chaos. I’m very curious as to how Mr. O’Neill managed to disregard this information. This was a wonderful conversation and Mr. Atack is also wonderful. I’m going to find his online work tonight Thank you Mr. Gold! Peace

    • @dannykelly5628
      @dannykelly5628 6 місяців тому

      Manson dabbled in Scientology in prison for a few months. That’s it. After a few weeks he asked what happens after you go clear? That’s it. Tom Oneil disregards it because there’s nothing there.

  • @lucasroche8639
    @lucasroche8639 4 місяці тому +1

    Datura gives people nightmare trips no one wants to have for fun.

  • @oswaldjr.
    @oswaldjr. 11 місяців тому +2

    He was never a Scientologist. He flirted with it in jail at one point, then completely abandoned it, even going out his way to avoid members of the cult in prison.

  • @kristibbradshaw
    @kristibbradshaw Рік тому +1

    I put L. Ron Hubbard up with Hitler. My dad was a de-programmer. I don’t think I could be programmed by anyone.

  • @cindymiller-flint4698
    @cindymiller-flint4698 Рік тому +1

    Tall English Drink of Water! New device. Excellent show, Gentlemen! 😺

  • @jeplica7011
    @jeplica7011 Рік тому +8

    The cia has the best lsd so i heard

  • @heyokaempath5802
    @heyokaempath5802 Рік тому +4

    Beep-beep! Beep-beep! Beep-beep!! Im so wrong for this, but it cracked me up!! 😂 Loved this video!

  • @Boris82much
    @Boris82much Рік тому +2

    Read a page in Dianetics back in the early 90s and threw it in the garbage. It felt schizophrenic, a mess of disorganized words that felt like...insanity.

  • @Ann-qf5vk
    @Ann-qf5vk 9 місяців тому +1

    My friend was completely under L Ron Hubbard's spell. I miss her.

  • @Ann-qf5vk
    @Ann-qf5vk 9 місяців тому +1

    Thank you do much for this video
    👋👋🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

  • @virgilkane7369
    @virgilkane7369 Рік тому +4

    Love your interviews Andrew .

  • @cindymiller-flint4698
    @cindymiller-flint4698 Рік тому +1

    Always a pleasure to watch you, Little Brother, and John!

    • @jonatackfamilyfriends6176
      @jonatackfamilyfriends6176 11 місяців тому

      Thanks so much! There is much more of me at www.youtube.com/@jonatackfamilyfriends6176/videos

  • @jenniferparsons2618
    @jenniferparsons2618 11 місяців тому +2

    The man you should Interview is Nikolas Schreck! He’s ty authorities on Manson truth and knew him for over 30 years! He wrote the Manson file , seriously GREAT interview would be Nikolas Schreck ! On. Many subjects! I hope you have him on soon !

  • @katescott8214
    @katescott8214 Рік тому +5

    Great interview, so much covered. I always though that the Mason murders might have had a different outcome if they had a pet guard dog. Apparently I'm not the only one

    • @jonatack7693
      @jonatack7693 Рік тому +1

      I think they needed a pack of dogs...

    • @julesjay424
      @julesjay424 Рік тому +1

      They probably would of shot the dog too

  • @kristinfrostlazerbeams
    @kristinfrostlazerbeams Рік тому +9

    So what you're saying is Tom C is addicted to the little euphoria jolts that Scientology causes with their special form of hypnotherapy or trance type state? He certainly acted higher than life jumping on Oprah's couch. It makes sense now. 😂

  • @mags8394
    @mags8394 Рік тому +3

    This was one of your most compelling podcasts. Thanks much.

  • @wandalou4965
    @wandalou4965 Рік тому +8

    Great interview! Love how the 2 of you both communicate.

  • @helenjohnson7583
    @helenjohnson7583 Рік тому +1

    Wow. I sped this up to 1.5 speed and still understood everything. And it’s okay if you weren’t aware of Randy Newman. He had a hit with SHORT PEOPLE in ‘77 and that was likely before your day.

    • @jonatackfamilyfriends6176
      @jonatackfamilyfriends6176 11 місяців тому +1

      I recommended Harps and Angels from 2008. My absolute favourite (and there are many) from his catalogue is Shame ua-cam.com/video/P4Iaur2Tlio/v-deo.html A Wedding in Cherokee County is very fine, too ua-cam.com/video/DbbtzAaVT3M/v-deo.html

  • @maryannarep
    @maryannarep Рік тому +2

    AG thank you for exposing MORE about that monstrosity. I'm just in from watching the Persied Meteor showers. Now, that, my friend is God's handiwork.

  • @ladyjane6846
    @ladyjane6846 Рік тому +2

    Short people: Rishi Sunack, Mussolini, Stalin, Nicolas Sarkozy, Lenin, Franco, Kim Jong-il, Deng Xiaoping.....................

  • @fordprefect.betelguese
    @fordprefect.betelguese Рік тому +4

    What a fantastic and insightful interview 👏

    • @jonatack7693
      @jonatack7693 Рік тому +1

      What a fantastic and insightful comment. Thanks! 🙂

  • @lesleyhibbert3338
    @lesleyhibbert3338 Рік тому +6

    I am so amazed. It’s a huge thing I just listened to. I am totally gob-smacked.
    I remember the story of Sharon Tate and the other people that were murdered. I was about 12 at the time but didn’t get the full gist of what happened. Of course my friends and I saw pictures of Manson. Those eyes and that smile - OH SHIT! Scary, but you couldn’t help looking at him. Glad when the paper got thrown.
    What a weird story and now Scientology is mentioned; it’s more weird than ever. I mean LRHubbard was the same but you turn away from him because he’s so vile.
    Thank you to Mr. Acker. By the way I heard Steve McQueen was supposed to be at the house where Sharon Tate was that night. Good podcast Andrew 🔹

    • @jonatack7693
      @jonatack7693 Рік тому +2

      It is an incredible story. I only came to it by accident - when Eric Hunley told me that Tom O'Neill had accused my late friend Jolly West of programming the Manson Family. The more I read, the more I realized that the connection with Scientology is very significant. And until now, Scientology has very effectively stopped that story from breaking. I hope to have a book ready in a few months time. Hadn't heard about McQueen. Do you have a source?

    • @lesleyhibbert3338
      @lesleyhibbert3338 Рік тому +1

      @@jonatack7693 No, I’m sorry, I cant remember. It was something I was reading that acknowledged he was invited to be there and couldn’t make it. It may have been google search on Sharon Tate. Or whoever owned the house they were in. I have a vague memory of it saying they were just new in the house, or maybe because her husband was away. I’m sorry.
      I remember The Steve McQueen part because he was a favourite of mine

    • @Spherical_El
      @Spherical_El Рік тому

      @@lesleyhibbert3338 I highly recommend Tom O'Neill's book Chaos as he digs so deep into the Manson event.

    • @Spherical_El
      @Spherical_El Рік тому

      @@jonatack7693 I do look forward to your book.
      I would recommend Tom's book for a second read, there is so much info in there.
      Respectfully there may be some cognitive dissonance if Jolly West was your friend.
      Good people do work for CIA and other agencies and will do all manor of thing in the call of duty.
      We all suffer cognitive dissonance, it's not a charge aimed solely at you, I have it too:) Keep up the good research.

    • @jonatackfamilyfriends6176
      @jonatackfamilyfriends6176 Рік тому

      @@lesleyhibbert3338 Thanks for getting back to me.

  • @katybee9996
    @katybee9996 Рік тому +12

    Yes, but it's more nuanced. Jon Atack has covered it in depth and very recently discussed it comprehensively with Tony Ortega. It is well documented going back years by Eric Conley, Jeff Gwyn's biography on Manson 8,9 years ago. Manson followed hours while in prison for around 14 months, introduced by a cell mate in 1962. Manson was 27yrs.

    • @edarrow65
      @edarrow65 Рік тому +4

      Thank you Jon. Very informative

    • @bridgetsieger2261
      @bridgetsieger2261 Рік тому

      Could someone explain to me 1962?
      Who was put in Charlie’s cell, before the murders?
      I can’t find this information and maybe I missed it?

    • @jonatack7693
      @jonatack7693 Рік тому +2

      @@bridgetsieger2261 Lanier Ramer spent 14 months teaching Manson and 'auditing' him. Manson says he read Scientology books in prison too. Scientology beliefs are a significant aspect of Manson's behavior.

  • @graceskyephoto
    @graceskyephoto Рік тому +7

    I’m pretty sure the two of you are the only two people that can make the story of Charles Manson and Scientology calming lol. Your voices are so soothing.

  • @edennis8578
    @edennis8578 Рік тому +2

    Winston Churchill may have been 5'7" in shoes. My dad stated his height on official papers as 5'7", but even in shoes, he wasn't taller than my mother who was 5'6".

  • @cathy_clarinet
    @cathy_clarinet Рік тому +6

    And somehow Candace Bergen is connected as well. Through the producer?

    • @pjj9491
      @pjj9491 Рік тому +1

      Her dad was Edgar

    • @cathy_clarinet
      @cathy_clarinet Рік тому

      @@pjj9491yes I’m aware 🤷‍♀️

    • @lornahuddleston1453
      @lornahuddleston1453 Рік тому

      Candace was a very hot chick back then. The public at large wouldn't know what a great comedic actress she would become until much later. Yes, her father was a super famous ventriloquist who was in tons of movies. That's why she lived around other famous "Nepo-babies" like Terry Melchior. There's no other alterior reason Candy's name comes up here. She was living in the Cielo Drive house with Terry a few months before Sharon Tate and Roman Polanski rented it. She was lucky Terry had the smarts to move out when he did!

    • @julesjay424
      @julesjay424 Рік тому +1

      She was Terry Melchers girlfriend at the time

  • @Ann-qf5vk
    @Ann-qf5vk 9 місяців тому

    Things went apeshit when Manson ran out of money. That makes complete sense. Thank you both for a brilliant discussion

  • @allenschmitz9644
    @allenschmitz9644 Рік тому +9

    Mansons 'parole' was a C.I.A. field day.

  • @MontereyMaryAnnO
    @MontereyMaryAnnO Рік тому +1

    SO Crazy- I worked at the Haight Clayton Free clinic. I also worked at Safeway and knew one of it's shoppers well- Anton Le Vey.

    • @jonatackfamilyfriends6176
      @jonatackfamilyfriends6176 11 місяців тому +1

      That is intensely strange. I love Milgram's idea of degrees of separation, so whenever I meet someone who knows someone notable, I realize that they've given me one degree of separation (a cousin of mine was at a party with Jimi Hendrix, though it was the sixties, so he can't remember anything about it). Through Anton Le Vey you have one degree of separation from Susan Atkins (Sadie Mae Glutz) who was one of the murderers and just two from Manson.

  • @julianavarela7658
    @julianavarela7658 Рік тому +2

    Very interesting guest! Thank you Andrew!!!

  • @brianbak6405
    @brianbak6405 8 місяців тому

    This was really interesting for someone who has followed that case some years now! It opens up a completely new view on the case for me.! Thank you so much for this.

  • @ai9476
    @ai9476 Рік тому +1

    Andrew there is something that you achieved that will save a lot of people. I need to talk to you. I don’t know how many times this has happened or how long it’s been.

  • @kazferns64
    @kazferns64 Рік тому +5

    Andrew, if you ever saw the tv show "Monk," Randy Newman did the theme song.

    • @lornahuddleston1453
      @lornahuddleston1453 Рік тому

      The song on the Monk TV show is a perfect Obsessive Compulsive song, which is what Adrian Monk is: an investigator with OCD.

  • @francescaderimini2931
    @francescaderimini2931 Рік тому +2

    Gold doesn’t know references and doesn’t read anything beforehand. He basically doesn’t care.

  • @sabinedunne7040
    @sabinedunne7040 11 місяців тому

    Didn't Manson once say that Scientology was too crazy, even for him?

  • @jeangilhead8429
    @jeangilhead8429 Рік тому +1

    Manson was a Scorpio...they stare automatically...he didn't have to learn how to do it for scientology...

    • @hshx1n
      @hshx1n Рік тому +1

      Haha I weirded a lot of people out in my early 20s with the Scorpio stare I didn’t know I had

    • @lornahuddleston1453
      @lornahuddleston1453 Рік тому

      Right. This guy seems determined to give Scientology the credit for the Tate-La Bianca murders. More than far fetched. A grandiose notion.

  • @katybee9996
    @katybee9996 Рік тому +2

    This was an excellent interview, threads all pulled together. Great interviewing skills, steering an interviewee who has so much to say, but needs the little prompts to land the plane and reveal his layered research.

  • @mikishealy2849
    @mikishealy2849 Рік тому +1

    Fascinating!

  • @thedarkhorse100
    @thedarkhorse100 10 місяців тому +1

    I could listen to this guy for days, I hope he has a channel because I’m gonna look as soon as this ends, it sounds like he’s been around all the key players, jolly ran Ultra, Manson, Hubbard , Jesus he’s a vast wealth of knowledge

    • @stj971
      @stj971 10 місяців тому

      Jolly West was also Jack Ruby's shrink and last visitor in jail presumed to have given him drugs that put him over the edge. He really got around.

  • @lornahuddleston1453
    @lornahuddleston1453 Рік тому +4

    Doris Day was first and foremost a gigantic, famous singer. That would explain why her son Terry Melchior was a music producer.

  • @Jim_Harwood
    @Jim_Harwood Рік тому +3

    Speaking of Diane Lake people should take a closer look at all the Minnesotans involved in this case. From the prosecutor to one of the defense counsel to many of the Manson girls and or their boyfriend many of the actors came from Minnesota. Joel Pugh who was murdered in England also came from Minnesota and he was Manson's craziest followers Sandra Goodes boyfriend. Even Greg Jakobsen (sp?) , Terry Melchers pal as well as Manson pal was born in Minnesota.

  • @lalayastill610
    @lalayastill610 Рік тому +7

    Best book I've read on Manson has been CHAOS, by Tom O'Neill

  • @wordwarrior2350
    @wordwarrior2350 Рік тому +1

    From what was know about C.M.: The best he could do is to control many young girls. Big deal.

  • @Callmethebreeze902
    @Callmethebreeze902 6 місяців тому

    I think it was on The Beach Boys album 20/20 called “Never learn not to love.”

  • @haysc1970
    @haysc1970 5 місяців тому +1

    Creepy Crawl the Scientology Center in L.A.!