@@alexandracarvalho1661 Yes I need to remember to reach out, she's brilliant! Wish she was in England so I could do this in person. Same with Marc, Aaron, Chris etc!
4:23 hey I'm from America and I just wanted to let you know that I am absolutely addicted to your channel I am so happy for you and hope that you get that hundred thousand subscribers soon🎉 I would love to see you do an in-depth dies on Meghan Markle pre Harry because I can tell you that nobody in America likes her but we all feel sorry for her today because she has let all his demons out and has brainwashed him so badly that I'm hoping that the United States will not let him back in when he goes because if you have anything to do with drugs you can come back in and then maybe he can get the help he needs and get back with his family
Me too. I'm in Australia and watching the videos is so interesting. Love the questions and how you sit and patiently wait for the speaker roll out all the information. Fantastic Andrew.
When I went to scientologists, they answered 0 questions, they'd just prompt to buy a book. I thought this was very unprofessional. Now I start to think, they weren't really interested because we were teenagers back then and they could see that we didn't have too much money.
What I’ve never understood about Scientology is, if going clear means that you get control over your emotions and your “reactive mind,” why is Tom Cruise known for losing his cool at employees on his film sets? Sounds like he needs a refund on all of his auditing sessions!
Dear Andrew, I have a question. When you have Scientology insiders, can you please ask them how they take care about their elderly? Like Jews, you know, they have centers, they care for people, when they are in need, they do charity,....they care for your funeral...what do Scientologist do? Thank you. XX
It took me a quick hot minute to remember you’re both British so you can actually sit in a room together 😅 The different format threw me haha but it’s a nice change though 🙂
Would love to see you & Alex do a visit to an Org in the U ❤. I took my Mike Rinder bobble head to the Birmingham Org to get a pic for Marc & Claire....massive car park but only 3 cars & didn't see a soul. I was still scared though 😅😅
Yeah! You guys are together!! Love you both. Tom and Nicole didn’t have any bio kids. The only bio kid Tom has is Suri. Nicole had a miscarriage right before Tom filed for divorce.
These critical thinkers, who don’t trust journalists, and think they know it better. Then do their own research and step in the trap! Think on your own isn‘t a good advice to many people!
I used to see those guys is Shepherds Bush and Edgware Road when I lived in London. Coming from France I was like WTF😅 Also the dianetic place in Tottenham Court Road..... For me Hubbard was that science fiction writer my late dad used to read. Nothing else. I guess the guy had great imagination which is great to create mythologies ....
That's what I knew of Hubbard. All my male friends read his books. They're still in print, SF is ever popular. My friend and I were grabbed by people at the dianetic place for the questionnaire, but wriggled out of it when we were done.
Didn't Alex Stein say he lived near a CoS and was always curious about it. Like genuinely curious not just to be an ass. That's what I recall from his interview with Aaron
I want to know whether miscavage is part of the bilderburg group. He's gotten away with so much for so many years it just makes me wonder also because he just seemed untouchable. Also could they be part of the group sending kids across the world for nefarious activities.???
I remember when I was in my early 20s I went with a friend up the road from where we worked, to pick up a friend of hers. I didnt know at the time, that he was a Scientologist and was working at the city offices(Auckland NZ) so we were in the vestibule of these offices for all of 10 minutes before we were being badgered to take a “personality test” I was just like “no thanks” and we collected the guy and left. HE then started to push going in for an “audit”. I was just like “dude, not interested” but I started talking to my friend after we dropped him off. She told me she’d taken a “personality test” and they’d told her that she was “unbalanced” and had the “potential to harm herself or others”. This girl was the kindest and gentlest person I’d ever met, and these people had made her worry about whether or not she really was unbalanced. I advised her to not listen to a word they said, and that she was as stable as anyone. It stuck with me tho cos it was just so very manipulative, telling people bad things just to scare them to come back for help…..assholes. I dislike Scientology intensely.
The woman i know you couldn't wish to meet a kinder woman ,but suppose its the vunrable ,they didn't like me wouldn't by the book they had the machine with them
I'm from Auckland in NZ too and I was warned about the scientologists approaching you on the street offering questionnaires when I was a young teen in the early mid eighties to just point blank refuse because they were a manipulative cult, and I've never ever liked Tom Cruise hes a repulsive empty strange man
Apostate Alex tells his story. I have not as yet seen a Brit do a UA-cam video revealing recent Cult activity in the United Kingdom of the last 15 or so years. This is a FIRST ! High Fives and salutations ! Good job Andrew and Alex😀❤🙏
I think the billion year contract would be a sticking point for me. Maybe I could spare 750 million years, but I was looking forward to at least 250 million, to wind down without any commitments. 😂
Bella Cruise is the adopted daughter of Nicole and Tom. Tom has only one biological child - Suri w/Katy Holmes. It was a huge deal when she had her b/c rumors swirled that Tom couldn't have biological kids (Mimi Rogers had none and Nicole adopted). And, from what I understand, Tom wasn't much of a dad to Bella either - allowing Scientology to basically raise her. I don't think she had much parenting from anyone.
Yes, and both Mimi and Nicole magically had biological kids after divorcing Cruise... not speculating too hard but I still think Katie either had extensive IVF or used a donor that looked like Tom in order to quiet those rumors that were going around. Also Tom only claims 3 kids - the two that he adopted with Nicole, and then Suri. (ETA: typo)
Nicole actually was in the early stages of pregnancy when Tom packed up the house and kids and left her right after their 10th Anniversary......... she had no idea he was leaving her, and the stress made her miscarriage.
Nicole doesn’t talk about her children with Cruise. I’m not sure if she talks to them. The kids are adopted. Kidman has never said anything bad about the church. The rumour was that Cruise didn’t show up to the Oscars was because Kidman was going. Now if that’s true, she has some power over that man.
That wasn't the reason he didn't show up. He probably didn't show up because he felt they are now a clown show he didn't wish to participate. That is the adult guess.
That whole thing about stats having to go up every week was one of the things that made me want to leave. Being a reasonable person (?) I realized that it’s impossible to keep expanding like that. Everything reaches an equilibrium eventually. The fact that Scientology doesn’t recognize that made me think they were full of 💩!
Dude was sucked in the same way I was. Watched the 2007 BBC documentary, became curious, bought Dianetics and was transported by it. Difference is that I found the people to be really weird and kept them at arms length, thankfully.
@@flowerjpotter1629 Off-putting intensity to the majority of them, seemed to have no real interest in anything unrelated to the subject itself. Also turned off by attempts at pressure selling when I ended up surrounded by four people in a small room trying to sell me another course. That was the final straw for me. Blessing in disguise, if they were any warmer as human beings I’d probably have been far more malleable.
@@toph8298I’ve read the majority of dianetics out of curiosity and expanding on that sense of wonder, how the hell did it transport you? I transported mine straight to the bin honestly.
This video was so informative! I appreciate Alex sharing his story! He has so much courage to step up and speak his truth!!!Thanks so much to both of you for this video!
Isn't it beautiful in Florida today? I'm in SW Florida and I don't remember when it was this temperature this time of year! It's so cool LoL I am kidding kinda. It's cool for FL.
We are in a court matter of neighbour bullying. The bully is a Scientologist who took the aged victims to court claiming that they are the bullies. Your videos have taught me much in how to deal with thos monster at court
they want a weakness to prey on. it's not to make anyone feel better its to manipulate them. anyone who expresses real genuine emotion is labeled crazy, anyone that isn't easy to control is a threat. you can't share your feelings. human's have emotions but you can see that there has been a push to make humans more like robots. religion that takes away free will isn't real....God doesn't force us to do anything. He suggests and then forgives when/if we mess up.
Why did Alex Barnes GO BACK to Scientology after he left the first time? He joined staff TWICE. Couldn't have been that bad as he went back. He told everyone he was leaving as he got a job and needed the money so couldn't stay on staff. There was no big deal about it. Why is he making up drama that did not happen?
Nicole Kidman had a miscarriage just before she split from Tom Cruise! Apparently Bella has begun to like Nicole’s Instagram pictures! I don’t think Tom was much of a dad to Bella.
I'm Australian and I was curious why Scientology is legally treated as a religion. It all flowed from one legal case decided by three justices of the High Court, the highest court in the country. All three agreed it doesn't matter if the founder of the religion was a charlatan who considered it a mere money-making scam, they must decide the case on the basis of whether its adherents considered it their religion. Which they concluded was so. So it looks like we're stuck with them as a religion for a very long time because it's hard to imagine how their decision, for those reasons, ever gets overturned. 😞
Yes because by that legal decision, they just legitimized cults. By definition the adherents to a cult believes that it's a religion. So the only thing to do is to revisit the legal premise and change the legal definition, which they absolutely should do because it's nonsensical to determine the intent and nature of an organization through the beliefs of its members who are clearly brainwashed.
@@Justicia007 If only it were that simple. The prohibition against anything that restricts the free exercise of any religion is in the Constitution. That's not going to change. And yes, they did legitimize cults, and they did so deliberately. Their decision states, "Charlatanism is a necessary price of religious freedom."
@@rossmurray6849 I don't really know too much about the Australian legal system. Sounds like there's a similar constitution to ours here in the US? Because even though we have decisions here that may seem set in stone, The court is free to accept a case with a similar but slightly different issue and clarify or even change their position and therefore change law.
I stand behind that court decision, as it seems just. All religions are religions. Either consider all of them not eligible for tax deduction, or none. There are a few ground pillars and if a group meets those, we gotta accept.
It’s so confusing that the brits call high school, college 😂 can you imagine meeting a young woman/ man/ boy/ girl and they say I’m in college so you thinking they at least 18 or up when they really 15-16 years old 😭
Great discussion. 💜 Something I think that doesn’t get mentioned enough when discussing L Ron Hubbard is that he was a *pulp fiction* writer & wrote in all sorts of genres under various pseudonyms. Romance, western, sci fi, he did it all & was paid a penny a word. His books were the inexpensive sort sold in checkout lines at drug stores & the like. 📖 He still holds the Guinness world record for most prolific writer. He had a special affinity for sci fi, as did most of his friends who were writers, and they’d meet often & spin tales with each other. I’m sure by his very plagiaristic nature he “borrowed” plenty of ideas from those around him. Wouldn’t it be fun to be a fly on the wall in those days? I think it trained him so he could come up with pretty fantastical stuff on a moment’s notice when he eventually turned his attention to Scientology.
I read a lot of his SF as a child so when I eventually heard about Dianetics I simply couldn't take it seriously. In the early seventies I came across other SF writers exploring the theme of messiahs and prophets. I think Robert Silverberg was one. They depicted cynical salespeople putting on a messianic facade and also truthful dupes being manipulated by politicians. I think I've been innoculated against cults from a young age.
Isabella & Connor are Tom & Nicole’s adopted children. They couldn’t conceive. I’m pretty sure Nicole doesn’t trash the church because she knows her children are brainwashed and the only hope of having any relationship with them is to play nice and just be supportive of them, hoping they’ll come around as adults. I don’t know if they have though, now that they’re grown.
I never understood the appeal Scientology has for some people on a personal level. I got hold on a copy of "Dianetics' in 1988 as an adolescent (in the GDR even) and saw through the bullshit right away. Took me just a couple of pages. I agree that they're praying on the vulnerable. However, though I would not fall for their BS, I would say I was still vulnerable as a young man. I guess, you've got to be vulnerable a CERTAIN WAY so that you might be in danger becoming a victim of them. 'Victim' I think is the key word here. People who fall for their lies are victims. I don't feel the need for looking down on them, because I was lucky to be vulnerable in a different (maybe just a little less than them) way. If you say that you under no circumstances couldn't have ended up being fooled by them - if you're not vulnerable at all; good for you! But it's the result of lucky circumstances that you happened to grew up in. Righteous anger against that evil cult is necessary to bring it down. Certainly! But equally necessary is empathy and compassion for the victims.
Great interview, Andrew. Thanks for speaking out, Alex. Very interesting. I don't feel it's necessary to visit Scientology, Andrew. There are enough people coming forward, just interview them. 💜
Would LOVE to see you and Alex visit an org! I enjoyed your interview with him immensely. Nice to see Scientology from an English point of view. ❤ from San Diego!
Tom and Peneople were never married. He was married to Mimi Roger's until 1990, then married Nicole Kidman the same year, divorcing in 2001. He was in a pretty serious relationship with Penenople from 2001 to 2004. He then married Katie Holmes. The children that he and Nicole share are adopted. The children were raised in scientology while Nicole wasn't involved. After the split they were asked who they wanted to live with and they said their dad. Then of course Nicole is labeled an SP even though she wasn't all those years. Imagine the heartbreak of losing your children that way. Nicole stated she miscarried either twice or three times while married to Cruise. Funny how she managed to keep her children to full term with no trouble with Keith Urban.
Apparently she continued to have problems. One daughter was carried by a surrogate. After everything she went through her children must know how cherished they are. ❤
Andrew, the 2 kids that Cruise had with Nicole Kidman are both adopted. They don't have biological kids together. Suri is the only biological kid that Tom Cruise has... that I know of... and even that whole "pregnancy" was weird because there are pictures where it FULLY looks like Katie Holmes is wearing a balloon underneath... :O
Shortly after Suri was born there were articles about the family in many magazines. I saved one because it was so darling. Tom had the baby facing the camera with Suri looking out from Tom’s half zipped up leather jacket!
It just seems like people have to be stupid to believe this Scientology stuff. I found the Book by L.Ron Hubbard an interesting read > Dionetics>.??? it did seem like it was made up. But what they do to you in the center seems idiotic. 🤔 I know stars 🌟 in it, are not all stupid...I just think 🤔 they find their weaknesses take their money & promise perfection & tell them to do more stuff to take up their time & keep saying : " Your closer to perfection & living forever." Tell them what they want to hear. Went to one in Palm Springs & then the one in the low desert mountain ranges that looks like a castle > compound..very creepy. Both in Calif. Weird stuff.
Scientology plays on the same impulse that people have for self help books, it's a spectrum obviously but when something appears to help and work it can suck you in.
I don't think Nicole and Tom had any biological children together, I'm certain I heard that they were given to them to adopt by the scientology Church and weren't babies when they got them , and I'm positive the son was African.
Seven years later and I am still operating on Scientology principles. It still effects my thinking, my behaviour etc. And quite franckly a part of me does not want to let go because the personality overlay that it created ensures that I can no longer be hurt or controlled. I had alot of anxiety before Scientology which I no longer have. I can't even begin to explain the mind xxxx . I feel like I have lived in multiple Sci-fi movies like equilibrium, the giver etc.
Humankind doesn't need cults like Scientology we all can create our own reality just by meditating and being present with oneself! Imagination creates!
@@apostatealex Thank you Alex. I had my comments turned off for months and only see this now. Have you been able to unravel the mental effect Scientology had on you yet? Is there an estimated timeline to when I will begin to feel like my kind empathetic former self? I was also part of GAT II
Oh, I missed this premiere. Thanks Alex! His story of how he got in was interesting, for sure. I think it was his age and that maybe he needed to feel like he belonged to something- At that age, belonging is very important, no? Also, there is a powerful lure to the idea of belonging to something secret. It makes you feel special. Anyhow, I have a really hard time reconciling the fact that Scientology exists in England. And that the St. Hill is a Manor House😐 I don't even want to look at what it looks like... I want a Manor House(and a castle wouldn't be so bad, either😏)for me! It's no fair Hubbard got to have one! And for his nonsense group, too
It's so interesting to me, this "billion year contract". Contracts that cannot be enforced in court are just not that serious to me. Maybe if you consider it an "oath" ... that's different. If it is enforced via that "fair game" stuff, meaning harassment or violence ... then it's like a gang. "Blood in, blood out." Or only way out is death. Kind of like old school Mob or Gangster stuff. That's not a contract ... that's something completely different.
The billion year contract is not enforceable - it's a religious commitment, and more a sign of faith / a symbol of how committed one is, at the time of signing
@@joanneblack7697 It's called the Sea Org Contract - I guess because it makes you feel like it is a more serious commitment. It's not given to you under the premise 'this isn't enforceable' - they want you to consider it just as important/committal as a legal contract, and when you're in the state of mind required to agree and sign it, you're genuinely not thinking about whether or not it would stand up in a court of law, because you're dedicating your life (and all future lives) to the cause, so leaving/breaking the agreement is the last thing on your mind.
Did you know about the scientologists in the UK? And who shall I interview next?
What are those clowns doing over here in the UK? They need to leave.
Next one should be Claire Headley 😅
@@alexandracarvalho1661 Yes I need to remember to reach out, she's brilliant! Wish she was in England so I could do this in person. Same with Marc, Aaron, Chris etc!
If you don't go to one of those org's you'll never hear the end of it
@@WillieWeed haha we MIGHT!
Andrew I'm so happy for you. Watching your channel grow exposing the truth has been such a treat. I wish you all the success you deserve.
Much appreciated
Almost 100k Subs! 🥳 Wont be long.
4:23 hey I'm from America and I just wanted to let you know that I am absolutely addicted to your channel I am so happy for you and hope that you get that hundred thousand subscribers soon🎉 I would love to see you do an in-depth dies on Meghan Markle pre Harry because I can tell you that nobody in America likes her but we all feel sorry for her today because she has let all his demons out and has brainwashed him so badly that I'm hoping that the United States will not let him back in when he goes because if you have anything to do with drugs you can come back in and then maybe he can get the help he needs and get back with his family
Me too. I'm in Australia and watching the videos is so interesting. Love the questions and how you sit and patiently wait for the speaker roll out all the information. Fantastic Andrew.
When I went to scientologists, they answered 0 questions, they'd just prompt to buy a book. I thought this was very unprofessional.
Now I start to think, they weren't really interested because we were teenagers back then and they could see that we didn't have too much money.
No, they'd say the same thing to everyone. Miscavidge doesn't trust his own people to explain it adequately.
What I’ve never understood about Scientology is, if going clear means that you get control over your emotions and your “reactive mind,” why is Tom Cruise known for losing his cool at employees on his film sets? Sounds like he needs a refund on all of his auditing sessions!
They cater to him. He's the biggest star they have and he's very close with the leader. He's untouchable. So yeah, it's gone to his head
I got a ❤️from Andrew!!🥰
I think the stated reason could be that he does it deliberately to discipline staff.
@@urutherford Well he just winds up looking like a lunatic!
It’s what Miscavige does, too.
Dear Andrew, I have a question. When you have Scientology insiders, can you please ask them how they take care about their elderly? Like Jews, you know, they have centers, they care for people, when they are in need, they do charity,....they care for your funeral...what do Scientologist do? Thank you. XX
Cults are evil!!🫥
It took me a quick hot minute to remember you’re both British so you can actually sit in a room together 😅 The different format threw me haha but it’s a nice change though 🙂
Would love to see you & Alex do a visit to an Org in the U ❤. I took my Mike Rinder bobble head to the Birmingham Org to get a pic for Marc & Claire....massive car park but only 3 cars & didn't see a soul. I was still scared though 😅😅
Every few people talk about how much money they have given to this organisation. Do they not see its a scam.
they enjoy it as a tax write-off
Yeah! You guys are together!! Love you both. Tom and Nicole didn’t have any bio kids. The only bio kid Tom has is Suri. Nicole had a miscarriage right before Tom filed for divorce.
These critical thinkers, who don’t trust journalists, and think they know it better. Then do their own research and step in the trap! Think on your own isn‘t a good advice to many people!
Great interview x
Well done Andrew 100k.
I used to see those guys is Shepherds Bush and Edgware Road when I lived in London. Coming from France I was like WTF😅 Also the dianetic place in Tottenham Court Road.....
For me Hubbard was that science fiction writer my late dad used to read. Nothing else. I guess the guy had great imagination which is great to create mythologies ....
That's what I knew of Hubbard. All my male friends read his books. They're still in print, SF is ever popular. My friend and I were grabbed by people at the dianetic place for the questionnaire, but wriggled out of it when we were done.
It's weird that they use the cross symbol which looks very much like it's some sort of Christian religion, which it isn't
defo visit Tott Ct Rd!
Bella is adopted.
They take your money
Interesting, thanks. Yes visit.👍🏻🇨🇦🐉👩🏼⚖️
You bet!
Done 👍
Do some people join these cults out of curiosity?
Didn't Alex Stein say he lived near a CoS and was always curious about it. Like genuinely curious not just to be an ass. That's what I recall from his interview with Aaron
One doesn't join out of curiosity, one goes in to find out more - and gets sucked in and next thing you know, you've 'joined' a cult
That's exactly what Alex did.
I want to know whether miscavage is part of the bilderburg group. He's gotten away with so much for so many years it just makes me wonder also because he just seemed untouchable. Also could they be part of the group sending kids across the world for nefarious activities.???
How did he live on 20-100 pounds a week?
I didn't. Ha! It was a struggle.
I remember when I was in my early 20s I went with a friend up the road from where we worked, to pick up a friend of hers. I didnt know at the time, that he was a Scientologist and was working at the city offices(Auckland NZ) so we were in the vestibule of these offices for all of 10 minutes before we were being badgered to take a “personality test” I was just like “no thanks” and we collected the guy and left. HE then started to push going in for an “audit”. I was just like “dude, not interested” but I started talking to my friend after we dropped him off. She told me she’d taken a “personality test” and they’d told her that she was “unbalanced” and had the “potential to harm herself or others”. This girl was the kindest and gentlest person I’d ever met, and these people had made her worry about whether or not she really was unbalanced. I advised her to not listen to a word they said, and that she was as stable as anyone. It stuck with me tho cos it was just so very manipulative, telling people bad things just to scare them to come back for help…..assholes. I dislike Scientology intensely.
The woman i know you couldn't wish to meet a kinder woman ,but suppose its the vunrable ,they didn't like me wouldn't by the book they had the machine with them
They use the test to assess what will confuse and provoke. Her teat showed that kindness is important to her.
Interesting, boy do they push in still u knew best held you're own👏🏻 thanx for sharing
I'm from Auckland in NZ too and I was warned about the scientologists approaching you on the street offering questionnaires when I was a young teen in the early mid eighties to just point blank refuse because they were a manipulative cult, and I've never ever liked Tom Cruise hes a repulsive empty strange man
And they record in writing anything you get audited about so then someone has deepest secrets, that is manipulative also
Apostate Alex tells his story. I have not as yet seen a Brit do a UA-cam video revealing recent Cult activity in the United Kingdom of the last 15 or so years. This is a FIRST ! High Fives and salutations !
Good job Andrew and Alex😀❤🙏
Wasn't that long they were in Newcastle city center ,jackson street say 6 months ,had his book all over and the machine
It is a CULT
I think the billion year contract would be a sticking point for me. Maybe I could spare 750 million years, but I was looking forward to at least 250 million, to wind down without any commitments. 😂
Bella Cruise is the adopted daughter of Nicole and Tom. Tom has only one biological child - Suri w/Katy Holmes. It was a huge deal when she had her b/c rumors swirled that Tom couldn't have biological kids (Mimi Rogers had none and Nicole adopted). And, from what I understand, Tom wasn't much of a dad to Bella either - allowing Scientology to basically raise her. I don't think she had much parenting from anyone.
Exactly - Tom Cruise has issues with his fertility ...
I just wrote something similar. I guess I should have read all the comments first.. LOL
Still not convinced he has a biological child.
Yes, and both Mimi and Nicole magically had biological kids after divorcing Cruise... not speculating too hard but I still think Katie either had extensive IVF or used a donor that looked like Tom in order to quiet those rumors that were going around. Also Tom only claims 3 kids - the two that he adopted with Nicole, and then Suri. (ETA: typo)
Nicole actually was in the early stages of pregnancy when Tom packed up the house and kids and left her right after their 10th Anniversary......... she had no idea he was leaving her, and the stress made her miscarriage.
Nicole doesn’t talk about her children with Cruise. I’m not sure if she talks to them. The kids are adopted. Kidman has never said anything bad about the church. The rumour was that Cruise didn’t show up to the Oscars was because Kidman was going. Now if that’s true, she has some power over that man.
That wasn't the reason he didn't show up. He probably didn't show up because he felt they are now a clown show he didn't wish to participate. That is the adult guess.
@@ericwilliams626 I did say it was a rumour
I think Tom just run away from an apology he owes Nicole for his selfishness.
@@VJShordee A bad rumor.
Perhaps he was afraid there would be scientology jokes, seems to be a trend at award shows.
That whole thing about stats having to go up every week was one of the things that made me want to leave.
Being a reasonable person (?) I realized that it’s impossible to keep expanding like that. Everything reaches an equilibrium eventually. The fact that Scientology doesn’t recognize that made me think they were full of 💩!
It always sounds like the put enormous pressure on their staff.
And financially on the public members.
Dude was sucked in the same way I was. Watched the 2007 BBC documentary, became curious, bought Dianetics and was transported by it. Difference is that I found the people to be really weird and kept them at arms length, thankfully.
Toph, I would love to hear more about your story - is there any way you could get in touch, please? My email is on my page
Can you say what exactly it was about them ?
@@flowerjpotter1629 Off-putting intensity to the majority of them, seemed to have no real interest in anything unrelated to the subject itself. Also turned off by attempts at pressure selling when I ended up surrounded by four people in a small room trying to sell me another course. That was the final straw for me. Blessing in disguise, if they were any warmer as human beings I’d probably have been far more malleable.
@@toph8298I’ve read the majority of dianetics out of curiosity and expanding on that sense of wonder, how the hell did it transport you? I transported mine straight to the bin honestly.
Love the way Andrew listens! He doesn’t talk over his guests.
This video was so informative! I appreciate Alex sharing his story! He has so much courage to step up and speak his truth!!!Thanks so much to both of you for this video!
Didn't know we had that crap in UK.
Oh yes, indeed we do. In fact Scientology was run from the UK for many years, and one of the main HQs is in Sussex.
I really love how you interview people, and you make it look so easy. So excited to see your channel growing.
Thank you so much!
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Isn't it beautiful in Florida today? I'm in SW Florida and I don't remember when it was this temperature this time of year! It's so cool LoL I am kidding kinda. It's cool for FL.
It's raining and bloody freezing here in the UK.
Hey Chad my Bro ❤😎🙋♀️🇨🇦💋
What’s the weather like in Cambridge Ontario right now lol?
Pissing it down mate 😂
We are in a court matter of neighbour bullying. The bully is a Scientologist who took the aged victims to court claiming that they are the bullies. Your videos have taught me much in how to deal with thos monster at court
Scientology taught me ear stretching is a questionable fashion statement.
I'm glad you took something away from this video, at least!
Why isn't this "church " being investigated by the police in light of what he's alleging regarding credit cards. That's just fraud.
Would love to see an Edgehog school trip to UK Scientology with you and Alex!
they want a weakness to prey on. it's not to make anyone feel better its to manipulate them. anyone who expresses real genuine emotion is labeled crazy, anyone that isn't easy to control is a threat. you can't share your feelings. human's have emotions but you can see that there has been a push to make humans more like robots. religion that takes away free will isn't real....God doesn't force us to do anything. He suggests and then forgives when/if we mess up.
This behavior reminds me exactly like World Wide Dream Builders Amway…. Cult cult cult
Wow this guy has a beautiful speaking voice! 💜
Bella and Connor Cruise are adopted. Onlly Suri is Tom's biological child.
Thank you Andrew, this was a great interview. You make your guests very comfortable. Nice to see your subscribers growing.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Interesting that this cult taught him not to listen to his own feelings. That even Scientology kicked him out he struggled to get back in.
Exactly. Thank you
The same mental conditioning happens if you belong to other cults such as the Mormon's or Jehovah's Witnesses.
Why did Alex Barnes GO BACK to Scientology after he left the first time? He joined staff TWICE.
Couldn't have been that bad as he went back.
He told everyone he was leaving as he got a job and needed the money so couldn't stay on staff.
There was no big deal about it. Why is he making up drama that did not happen?
he thought he was intelligent but turns out he was just the opposite.
Nicole Kidman had a miscarriage just before she split from Tom Cruise! Apparently Bella has begun to like Nicole’s Instagram pictures! I don’t think Tom was much of a dad to Bella.
The first miscarriage was early in the marriage.
I'm Australian and I was curious why Scientology is legally treated as a religion. It all flowed from one legal case decided by three justices of the High Court, the highest court in the country. All three agreed it doesn't matter if the founder of the religion was a charlatan who considered it a mere money-making scam, they must decide the case on the basis of whether its adherents considered it their religion. Which they concluded was so. So it looks like we're stuck with them as a religion for a very long time because it's hard to imagine how their decision, for those reasons, ever gets overturned. 😞
Yes because by that legal decision, they just legitimized cults. By definition the adherents to a cult believes that it's a religion. So the only thing to do is to revisit the legal premise and change the legal definition, which they absolutely should do because it's nonsensical to determine the intent and nature of an organization through the beliefs of its members who are clearly brainwashed.
@@Justicia007 If only it were that simple. The prohibition against anything that restricts the free exercise of any religion is in the Constitution. That's not going to change.
And yes, they did legitimize cults, and they did so deliberately. Their decision states, "Charlatanism is a necessary price of religious freedom."
@@rossmurray6849 I don't really know too much about the Australian legal system. Sounds like there's a similar constitution to ours here in the US?
Because even though we have decisions here that may seem set in stone, The court is free to accept a case with a similar but slightly different issue and clarify or even change their position and therefore change law.
I stand behind that court decision, as it seems just. All religions are religions. Either consider all of them not eligible for tax deduction, or none. There are a few ground pillars and if a group meets those, we gotta accept.
Assange has said a few things about sciencetology.
This was brilliant! Thanks Andrew & Alex.
Bella is adopted
Bella was adopted as well as her brother. Great video!!!
It’s so confusing that the brits call high school, college 😂 can you imagine meeting a young woman/ man/ boy/ girl and they say I’m in college so you thinking they at least 18 or up when they really 15-16 years old 😭
We Brits find it weird when a US adult says they are in school. Schools are for children! So we tend to assume you must be a teacher.
Great discussion. 💜
Something I think that doesn’t get mentioned enough when discussing L Ron Hubbard is that he was a *pulp fiction* writer & wrote in all sorts of genres under various pseudonyms. Romance, western, sci fi, he did it all & was paid a penny a word. His books were the inexpensive sort sold in checkout lines at drug stores & the like. 📖
He still holds the Guinness world record for most prolific writer. He had a special affinity for sci fi, as did most of his friends who were writers, and they’d meet often & spin tales with each other. I’m sure by his very plagiaristic nature he “borrowed” plenty of ideas from those around him. Wouldn’t it be fun to be a fly on the wall in those days?
I think it trained him so he could come up with pretty fantastical stuff on a moment’s notice when he eventually turned his attention to Scientology.
I understand he was very sadistic
I read a lot of his SF as a child so when I eventually heard about Dianetics I simply couldn't take it seriously. In the early seventies I came across other SF writers exploring the theme of messiahs and prophets. I think Robert Silverberg was one. They depicted cynical salespeople putting on a messianic facade and also truthful dupes being manipulated by politicians. I think I've been innoculated against cults from a young age.
You're going to hit 100000 b4 You're Birthday 🎂 🥳 congrats, Andrew in advance!
I hope so!! thank you, and love to Indiana and Kurt Vonnegut! :D
I've just found on Google maps the Edinburgh building guess where this SP is going soon 😂
Send pics to Marc Headley for his show.
sun shinning in hawaii heavy rain clouds on the mountains,wanna hear this one lol
Isabella & Connor are Tom & Nicole’s adopted children. They couldn’t conceive. I’m pretty sure Nicole doesn’t trash the church because she knows her children are brainwashed and the only hope of having any relationship with them is to play nice and just be supportive of them, hoping they’ll come around as adults. I don’t know if they have though, now that they’re grown.
Tom’s money and influence has benefited them an easy life.
If Tom disconnected with them, they wouldn’t be so special.
Fascinating to hear Alex's story, a great interview.
Ppl still affiliated with Scientology are ridiculous.
I never understood the appeal Scientology has for some people on a personal level. I got hold on a copy of "Dianetics' in 1988 as an adolescent (in the GDR even) and saw through the bullshit right away. Took me just a couple of pages. I agree that they're praying on the vulnerable.
However, though I would not fall for their BS, I would say I was still vulnerable as a young man. I guess, you've got to be vulnerable a CERTAIN WAY so that you might be in danger becoming a victim of them.
'Victim' I think is the key word here. People who fall for their lies are victims. I don't feel the need for looking down on them, because I was lucky to be vulnerable in a different (maybe just a little less than them) way. If you say that you under no circumstances couldn't have ended up being fooled by them - if you're not vulnerable at all; good for you! But it's the result of lucky circumstances that you happened to grew up in.
Righteous anger against that evil cult is necessary to bring it down. Certainly! But equally necessary is empathy and compassion for the victims.
Great interview, Andrew. Thanks for speaking out, Alex. Very interesting. I don't feel it's necessary to visit Scientology, Andrew. There are enough people coming forward, just interview them. 💜
Bella and Connor were adopted. Nicole had a couple of miscarriages during her marriage to Tom.
Sorry I missed the live stream! Thank you for this, it was great to chat with you!
Allegedly Scientology used Parental Alienation to make the children choose To. Who they never see in my opinion
Bella calls Nicole an SP how messed up all bc of her dad and the cult
They're all brainwashed!
I would notice immediately if they charged on my card without my permission.
Great interview Andrew…you are always engaged with the conversation, it really does make a difference.
Would LOVE to see you and Alex visit an org! I enjoyed your interview with him immensely. Nice to see Scientology from an English point of view. ❤ from San Diego!
What a bunch of hog wash 😢 good grief
Tom and Peneople were never married.
He was married to Mimi Roger's until 1990, then married Nicole Kidman the same year, divorcing in 2001. He was in a pretty serious relationship with Penenople from 2001 to 2004. He then married Katie Holmes.
The children that he and Nicole share are adopted. The children were raised in scientology while Nicole wasn't involved. After the split they were asked who they wanted to live with and they said their dad. Then of course Nicole is labeled an SP even though she wasn't all those years. Imagine the heartbreak of losing your children that way.
Nicole stated she miscarried either twice or three times while married to Cruise. Funny how she managed to keep her children to full term with no trouble with Keith Urban.
Tom Cruise sucks. He kidnapped those children.
Apparently she continued to have problems. One daughter was carried by a surrogate. After everything she went through her children must know how cherished they are. ❤
Andrew, you are such an incredible interviewer and I enjoy watching all of your videos and I always learn something new. 💗
Glad you enjoy it!
Bella is adopted
Hi Andrew, what a fantastic and really well produced interview. That was really impressive and very professionally done. More like this! Loved it.
been passed the plymouth org and seen their stall in the market.
Andrew, the 2 kids that Cruise had with Nicole Kidman are both adopted. They don't have biological kids together.
Suri is the only biological kid that Tom Cruise has... that I know of... and even that whole "pregnancy" was weird because there are pictures where it FULLY looks like Katie Holmes is wearing a balloon underneath... :O
Maybe it's just the done thing in Hollywood. I just don't get why they can't admit it openly, instead of pretending to actually be pregnant 🤷♀️
The gossip in La la land is that Suri’s biological father is actually a cousin of Tom Cruises. This is a bit of gossip I’m inclined to believe.
@@janepowers6711 LOL.. I wouldn't be surprised!
Shortly after Suri was born there were articles about the family in many magazines. I saved one because it was so darling. Tom had the baby facing the camera with Suri looking out from Tom’s half zipped up leather jacket!
critical thinker ends up as Scientologist apparently.
Tom is crazy.
It just seems like people have to be stupid to believe this Scientology stuff. I found the Book by L.Ron Hubbard an interesting read > Dionetics>.??? it did seem like it was made up.
But what they do to you in the center seems idiotic. 🤔
I know stars 🌟 in it, are not all stupid...I just think 🤔 they find their weaknesses take their money & promise perfection & tell them to do more stuff to take up their time & keep saying : " Your closer to perfection & living forever." Tell them what they want to hear.
Went to one in Palm Springs & then the one in the low desert mountain ranges that looks like a castle > compound..very creepy. Both in Calif. Weird stuff.
Scientology ™ © "It's worse than you think."
Ohhh an arab Sciaentologest
That would be so funny
Zeeno akbar 😆 😆 😆 😂
Scientology plays on the same impulse that people have for self help books, it's a spectrum obviously but when something appears to help and work it can suck you in.
Happy to see an in person interview. Thank you Andrew!
I don't think Nicole and Tom had any biological children together, I'm certain I heard that they were given to them to adopt by the scientology Church and weren't babies when they got them , and I'm positive the son was African.
Great interview!!!! 99k now!!!!! WOW!!!
99,1k ;D
Thank you so much, you are so supportive :)
Yessss!
@@AndrewGold1 With great reason !!!
I missed the Live airing of this video..I had to work over today,and now I am watching the replay..
Incredible resemblance to the Jehovah's Witnesses
Conner cruise was involved with the Chase Wave. Aaron did a video on it.
Through the first third or more they have talked alot but said little...
Wake up people, Scientology traffic’s children!
Seven years later and I am still operating on Scientology principles. It still effects my thinking, my behaviour etc. And quite franckly a part of me does not want to let go because the personality overlay that it created ensures that I can no longer be hurt or controlled. I had alot of anxiety before Scientology which I no longer have. I can't even begin to explain the mind xxxx . I feel like I have lived in multiple Sci-fi movies like equilibrium, the giver etc.
Thank you for your comment, this is totally relatable and I'm here to tell you, you are not alone.
Sad 😞
Humankind doesn't need cults like Scientology we all can create our own reality just by meditating and being present with oneself! Imagination creates!
@@KAREN-rx9pq Amen!
@@apostatealex Thank you Alex. I had my comments turned off for months and only see this now. Have you been able to unravel the mental effect Scientology had on you yet? Is there an estimated timeline to when I will begin to feel like my kind empathetic former self? I was also part of GAT II
Oh, I missed this premiere. Thanks Alex!
His story of how he got in was interesting, for sure.
I think it was his age and that maybe he needed to feel like he belonged to something-
At that age, belonging is very important, no?
Also, there is a powerful lure to the idea of belonging to something secret. It makes you feel special.
Anyhow, I have a really hard time reconciling the fact that Scientology exists in England. And that the St. Hill is a Manor House😐
I don't even want to look at what it looks like...
I want a Manor House(and a castle wouldn't be so bad, either😏)for me! It's no fair Hubbard got to have one! And for his nonsense group, too
Have a look on Google maps
Sound like the description of people describing what it's like to suffer from the toxic behaviour of narcissistic abuse.
Love u Andrew and all your content and i love u too apostate Alex! I fist heard of Alex from (A) Aron lol
OMG was he gullible. This is painful.
It's so interesting to me, this "billion year contract". Contracts that cannot be enforced in court are just not that serious to me. Maybe if you consider it an "oath" ... that's different. If it is enforced via that "fair game" stuff, meaning harassment or violence ... then it's like a gang. "Blood in, blood out." Or only way out is death. Kind of like old school Mob or Gangster stuff. That's not a contract ... that's something completely different.
The billion year contract is not enforceable - it's a religious commitment, and more a sign of faith / a symbol of how committed one is, at the time of signing
@@apostatealex why contact instead of oath or pledge?
@@joanneblack7697 It's called the Sea Org Contract - I guess because it makes you feel like it is a more serious commitment. It's not given to you under the premise 'this isn't enforceable' - they want you to consider it just as important/committal as a legal contract, and when you're in the state of mind required to agree and sign it, you're genuinely not thinking about whether or not it would stand up in a court of law, because you're dedicating your life (and all future lives) to the cause, so leaving/breaking the agreement is the last thing on your mind.
Alex did you work 80-120 hrs a week?
Scientologist or not the playmate was not empathetic
The sheer look of terror on Nicole Ks face and the faces of allllllll the women that were in a "relationship" w Mapother ...puke...😢