i didn't notice how long this video was until i saw the comment and realized I'm an hour and 10 minutes in X) but yeah i thought the exact same! there were _soooo_ many alternatives, I just couldn't believe it!
I looked at slugmas moveset and the only good non fire moves it gets are rockslide, return and body slam. But slugmas only stat above 40 is special attack. Emerald is probably impossible without double team strats although ruby or sapphire might be possible.
I always like to think how the crobat feels in these situations, talking to the mightyena after the fight. "yeah I can't believe how hard this sunkern hit me with secret power, I can't see how that can happen. Wait YOU BOOSTED HIS ATTACK HOW MANY TIMES???"
@@KainaX122 "With that kind of strategy, you want us to lose! Do you really want to let those water hippies and their fat wailord take over? Ok, then start using crunch and stop turning random sunkerns into salamences!
imagine being one of these gym leaders you're just completely obligated through your employment to deal with this schizo barging in hundreds of times with his singular sunkern until he eventually makes a joke of you and wins through a series of miraculous flukes
Later Their serperiors(Gen 5 introduced but Gen 6 contrarian grass type nope rope aka snek joke intended.): Wtf? How did that fricking happen? The gym leader: Got Arceus(joke intended) awful luck. I think hitting moves like Horn drill is more likely. Series of flukes and me getting overconfident. The serpereriors: understandable.
Battle Tower in a nutshell. You fight through hordes of trainers and get a really long streak until some punk gets an insane stroke of luck that ends your streak.
So in Gen2 I believe Mirror move will copy almost any move your opponent last used (Like in the Gen2 minimum battles run Blue's Pidgeot mirrors Kenya's curse and got a sweep) This got changed in Gen3. The logic is that Mirror move's concept is actually to reflect (pun intended) whatever move you got hit last and use your opponent's moves to hit back. In other words, Mirror move can only work on moves that you got targeted on. Growth is a self-target move, you do not "Growth" your opponent, you growth yourself. Therefore it will not be Mirror Moved starting in Gen3. Attract is a move that targets the opponent, so you can mirror move attract.
That’s exactly how it works. Mirror Move can never copy a status move that targets the user, be it a boosting move, a healing move or something wacky like Substitute or Destiny Bond, but it can copy status moves that target the opponent like Attract.
I fondly remember a time watching my brother playing Pokemon showdown. He came across an opponent named "Sunkern Man". His team was a single level 100 Sunkern. I remember that national hero today. You have embodied his spirit well.
It's awesome to have a series like Jrose's which is, respectfully, anti-hardcore. The pokemon runs nowadays seem to be moving more and more towards hardcore rulesets and difficult romhacks, so runs like this where you're not doing calcs, showing yourself changing plans, and struggling a lot is nice and chill to have
from bulbapedia: "Mirror Move will fail if no moves were targeted at the user" so I guess because Growth wasn't being used at Swablu, Mirror Move failed
yup, Growth only affects the user, and has no target. So since Swablu wasn't the target of Growth, because Growth only targets the user, then Mirror Move failed.
Hey jrose, there's actually a very quick way to level up in Emerald, while the vs seeker doesn't exist you can rebattle trainers using the pokenav. How it works is that for the trainers you have registered in your pokenav, each of them might want to rebattle you when you enter their route. If you just go in and out of their route very quickly, you can rebattle them a lot and level up very quickly. I recommend route 117, pretty sure that's the fastest
I usually battle the interviewers with Magneton and Exploud to gain experience. Not sure if @jrose would consider that using another pokemon since u need two to initiate the battle
Someone's probably already pointed this out, but you can get two TM's for Return. If you get the Meteorite after beating Maxie 1 and give it to the scientist in Fallarbor town, he'll give you a Return TM. The other more well known Return TM is the one you get from the old man in Pacifidlog town.
Sunflora really deserved a mega evolution or a third evolution. It’s another one of those sad Pokémon where it sucks in the game but it’s so cute you want to use it. I remember watching that contest episode of the anime so many times on my VHS, and it was my moms favourite Pokémon. Funny childhood memories.
Idk... sunflora actually has a decent movepool and a not unserviceable special attack. Certainly has some potential use especially now with terastalizing.
@@raikaria3090 In Ruby or Sapphire it might become possible just by being level 100, although he got close to that already to beat Drake. In Emerald since it's postgame with much higher levels I don't actually think it would be possible, but sometimes Jrose manages to do runs that I think are impossible.
@@scoobiusmaximus9508 No, in Ruby and Sapphire it's not posible. There is literally 0 chances of Sunkern defeating R/S Steven, even at lvl 100. You don't seem to understand how type effectiveness works. You won't even get past Skarmory, even with a Full Ivs Modest 252Sp.Attack Sunkern. You have an Sp.attack of 200? Well, your STAB grass attacks are basically hitting said Skarmory with an Sp.Attack of 50.
@@HannibalKantter I'm not sure if you watched the video you're literally commenting on, but in that very Drake battle I referenced he used Solar Beam, a grass type move, to knock out Altaria and Salamence, which both 4x resist Grass. I understand how type effectiveness works, I'm wondering if you understand the video you supposedly fucking watched. No need to be an asshole. The major difference between Drake and Ruby/Sapphire Steven would be that setting up on Skarmory would be a fucking nightmare. When you look at the rest of Steven's team it might actually not be as bad as Drake's because only Metagross resists Grass besides Skarmory.
Sunkern is the weakest pokemon... that have something that resembles a movepool. Sure, there are weaker mons, but they all have 1-2 damaging moves at best and that's it. And that's why I believe Sunkern is more interesting to watch, because it has some level of variation in strats, while still being very weak.
@@dograttargod I mean, Caterpie's only two moves until gen4 were tackle and string shot. Take Down is better than those. Beldum also has better stats and typing too. Gen 5+ starts giving Caterpie SOME options, and I don't know about other modern pokemon.
@@SquallLionhart409 Babei pusdeo legends like Beldum(Final form is a metagross), Larvitar(final form is tyranitar), and and bagon(final form is a salamence) are supposed to be weak. That’s why these Pokémon have stats that compare to legendaries to make up for the pain without something like Slaking(which is technically a pusdeo legend) being ruined by the god awful truant(the Pokémon with this ability waste every second turn their own doing jack flummery. Also who the frick put a censor on this account?) ability. Yes Durant can make the ability work with entrainment to give it to opponents and enable some farther funny strats but it was meant to be an ability that illuminate(All it does is increase wolf pokemon encounter rate) has more useage than in competitive Pokémon battles.
Sunkern is unironically one of my favorite grass pokemon, I wish it wasn't such a bad pokemon and that sunflora actually was stronger or at least was a grass/fire type or evolved into one. That would make that line so unique and cool
oh no....... it would have no counters.. thats why .. cause fire would keep it from being super effected and grass would keep water from being super effective...
Glad to see all these impossible challenges over the last couple of months! The Red/Blue Solo runs are great, but it’s nice to have some more unique ones to balance it out.
I know you're much more familiar with Gen 1 and this isn't meant to be some 'optimised' run, but Brawly's Meditite's only attacking move is Focus Punch (its other moves are Bulk Up and dual screens). So yes, Bullet Seed is always safe, but you could have also used Brawly's potion turn to set up Ingrain or an additional Growth.
Sometimes I just love Jroses optimisme. Oh, mega drain made a little dent in the feathers of this insane flying dragon that blast my sunkern into oblivion and wipes it's butt with it.... this seems doable!
So, I played Emerald before I played GSC, so when I found a Sunkern in the Safari Zone extension of the post game, I was fascinated. I kept leveling it and leveling it, all the way to level 70. Then, after farming sun stones for a Bellossom and having this Sunkern in the party, I saw that it could evolve. Lemme just say that 12 year old me was very disappointed.
@@rojopantalones9791 Wrong. It can one shot normal Groudon, not the Fire type Primal form. Which isn't a feat considering any non-grass Pokémon with Grass Knot can one shot Groudon with Grass Knot too, without being an useless Pokémon like Sunflora is.
Winona's battle made me think about her Altaria. In the OG games, Altaria has Dragon Dance at level 33 despite learning it at a much higher level, with Cotton Guard being the "correct" move if she really needed a boosting move. However, in the remakes, Altaria not only gets stronger with some level-ups but she can also learn Dragon Dance at level 30, making the original movepool something "legal". What's her non-offensive move again? Oh, yeah, it's Cotton Guard.
Jrose's videos are the kinda ones that I'd watch each one atleast twice. Once to listen and fall asleep to at night and again the next day to see what I missed out on.
"Unless I were to get insane luck with Attract, it's very difficult to win with my current strategy" Yeah, I have that problem even outside of Pokemon. Jrose. haha
Just want to say, I absolutely love this series. Call me crazy, but I download these & listen to them on my daily runs, so much so that I’ve actually started re-watching them from the start (up to Hitmonchan). Just want to say thanks for the amazing content & dedication to these videos, looking forward to this one, though I might save it for part of my longer run on Sunday, thanks again!
It was a questionable change to put Wallace as champion for Emerald. I liked the variety that Steven gave at the end. When playing normally with an on-level team, you'd need some diverse moves and types to take him. Wallace was sort of a higher level repeat of Juan for me.
It's amazing how consistently entertaining your content is. Despite the structure and delivery being very similar for every video it just works. Love it JRose!
A 29 year old majoring in neuroscience, struggling with his education while balancing his acting profession, sits playing Pokemon Crystal while relaxing with the Man Jrose when he says "I don't want to level up past my problems"..... I felt that
So during the Gen II era, in one of my game playthroughs, I really wanted to use Sunkern, as I saw that it could learn Sunny Day, Synthesis, and Giga Drain upon level-up, and then if you evolved it on the same level it learned Giga Drain, the Sunflora would learn Solarbeam, and my young brain at the time thought that would be an awesome moveset (what is type coverage?). I unfortunately did not know at the time how garbage Sunkern's stats were, and actually training it up to Lv. 46 was an utter pain... and the resulting Sunflora, wasn't particularly worth it either. I feel like this Sunkern run was a bit of redemption for this little seed, especially with the final moveset being almost the same (but with Growth instead of Synthesis).
Hey @Jrose11 video idea here: It would be interesting to see like an "in-depth" video of like the routes you take in your Red & Blue runs and why. There are a lot of optional routes. misty or rival2 first, gym order, about saving time, getting TM08 even though it takes a battle, your most cursed trainers, maby routes with no mandatory trainers you normally cut out has some story you could show? And other trivia like how you plan your runs / workload / your fastest and slowest RT Runs! : ) Have a good one
As soon as you said "difficult to beat bulky pokemon with only grass type moves" I thought "Don't Winona and Drake have dragon-flying types?...Oh no... " XD
I wanted to say thanks for introducing me to solo and challenge runs. I don’t think I would’ve tried them if I hadn’t had so much fun watching yours. But I finally figured out how to get extra save files in ORAS and I’m doing a beedrill run in alpha sapphire now. It’s been great, and I’ll probably do more. Thanks for doing what you do!
@@ShinyTillDawn honestly, no. I did smallant do some challenge runs, but it was smallant so I just assumed I could never. Jrose made it seem more down to earth somehow, like something I could see myself doing
I think the word I picked up on the most throughout this playthrough was 'unfortunately'; everything about Sunkern is indeed unfortunate, as even the u in Sunkern stands for 'unfortunate'.
(17:20) Overheat is 140 base power, not 150. But yeah, it's way too much for your seed. (29:44) Maybe it's because Attract targeted Swablu, while Growth only buffed the user, so it can only use Mirror Move on something that targets it? (33:09) There are certain trainers that get registered in your PokéNav in RSE, and you can get into rematches with them. It's a bit finicky, but usually I find that if you enter and leave the route that the trainer is on rapidly and repeatedly (like, by going up and down across the border between Route 104 and Rustboro, for example), this greatly increases the likelihood that trainers on that route will suddenly want to rematch you. And, when you first open the PokéNav, if its big blue light on the left is blinking, that means there's a trainer on that route that's ready to rematch you, so that can be a quick way to check (Route 104 is particularly good for money, because of the Lady and Rich Boy that can both rematch you on that route). However, this doesn't seem to work all that well for some places like Petalburg Woods that you have to screen transition into (I can almost never get the Bug Catcher there to rematch me at will, for instance). (1:15:43) Actually, you'd need 6 Growths to double your power compared to 2. With 2 Growths, you have 200% power. With 4 Growths, you have 300% power, not 400%. Therefore, it would take 6 Growths to reach 400% power. (1:16:58) Yep. With just 5 Growths under your belt, you only have 350% power, which is not quite enough. (1:18:10) Clutch crit FTW! (1:18:35) You're welcome! (1:20:05) And that's game, with a first-try flawless victory on Wallace! Huzzah!
It’s weird seeing bullet seed doing no damage. In the mystery dungeon games, it’s one of the most insanely overpowered moves ever. It’s long range and it does a crapload of damage every time. I’ve knocked out boss Pokémon in one turn using bullet seed because every hit does over 200 damage. The only multi-hit move that I’ve seen so more damage is bonemerang on a marowak. Multi hit moves are incredibly powerful in PMD
Thanks for doing these runs, they’re incredibly interesting to see, and I appreciate branching into the later games, As there’s only so many Gen 1 runs, and seeing later games feels way fresher.
Thank you so much for the abundance of content recently, Jrose! Just please be sure to not over work yourself and get burnt out on Pokémon. That would be catastrophic.
Thank you Jrose. Was going through a terrible gallbladder attack and your video helped me get through it. Part way through couldn't really even listen to the video anymore but just seeing you repeat a fight again and again trying to get a win gave me something to focus on. In normal circumstances your videos are top notch entertainment, keep it up.
While using a magikarp for the mandatory double battles is a decent solution, I've wondered why you dont just catch a duplicate of the pokemon youre using instead. That sounds more like a true solo run to me, but maybe im going insane. Great content as always!
I remember doing an Azurill run and it was pretty fun, it was difficult at times (Tate and Liza, Phoebe was annoying because i couldn´t spam Return and Dusclops used Curse a lot) i finished the run at level 97, i dont know if it is possible to do it at a lower level but hey, it is what it is
I like the fact that jrose can consistently put out entertaining content that speaks for itself without having to resort to the usual begging that most youtubers unfortunately do.
@@mrwillard95 How tf do you not know who they are? Anyway, MDB took over Pikasprey in raking in views for Pokémon challenges. He had devolved to using double team to cheese challenges. Dream has 26 million subscribers, and he manipulated RNG in his popular Minecraft speedruns and got away with it.
Been watching for a decent time now. You're one of my favorite pokemon content creators. I love these soo much I sometimes fall asleep to challenges I've already watched. Listening to this knowledge helps calm me. Thank you for being great :)
Great vid I really like the gen 3 challenges. If you’re looking for more ideas i think it would be a fun run if every battle was a double battle but only be able to use plusle and minun
I want to see a tier list for Emerald like the one you did for Red&Blue. Anyway, it was a very entertaining run to watch while stuff was encoding at my job.
As someone who once took a Sunkern named Godslayer to OU and tore stuff up in Gen 7 (Z-Encore lmao), I am more excited for this than I can even articulate.
So TECHNICALLY it isnt actually the pokemon with the lowest stats. By all rights, shedinja is in fact worse, having only 161 USABLE stat points, with 75 points that realistically dont exist at all, since it only has 1 hp, and the minimum damage you can take from an attack (inany generatio except gen 1, which shedinja doesnt exist in anyway) is 1, the 75 points it has in its defenses technically do not exist, as it will LITERALLY never be able to get use from them! So if you go just by the stats you will actually get use out of, sunkern has more usable stats than shedinja.
Although not necessarily easy to get, white herbs can be obtained by pickup if you ever wanted to try a white herb strat to deal with intimidate/sand attack
Yeah, but it was Emerald that introduced the pool of Pickupable items varies by level, and White Herbs are a level 41 at minimum and a 1% at that and the highest level pick up mon one can have in Emerald is 27. Even if he did allow for the daycare, it's 50,000 steps, and he'd still have to grind for the White Herb.
Very cool run! During Brawley to be fully optimal you could ingrain on the turn meditite is being healed. Since you know you won’t take damage from him. Could save PP. didn’t matter tho
Unfortunately no coverage. Only moves that could help it are by TMS. Useful moves can be taught are Sludge Bomb, Toxic, Sunny Day, Attract and of course, Protect.
In Generation 3, Mirror Move doesn't work on moves that you use on yourself. It only works on moves that you use against your opponent. One example is Growth, which you use on yourself, and Mirror Move can't copy the move. Now if it's something like Sand Attack or Toxic, those can be copied by Mirror Move because they target your opponent.
Just throwing this out there for future Gen 3 stuff because of your Glacia battle where you thought setting up against the Blizzard Sealeo wouldn't be viable (despite many other luck based strategies used throughout), Blizzard doesn't get its accuracy negating during Hail effect until Gen 4. Great run though, glad you're branching out more recently. Gotta say though, I feel like you make certain aspects of these way harder on yourself than they need to be. Specifically referring to the berry fiasco near the end, why if you're modifying your save (I assume this is what you meant by "importing" it to something like PKHex) you don't just tinker with your EVs manually since it's fundamentally the same thing. The same idea could be applied to using Candies to level up instead of fighting wild Mons, although I think there's probably limitations to the legitimacy of this ideal such as modifying IVs for different Hidden Powers (or for anything really) at different points in the run or changing your ability in games before the Ability Capsule exists/is obtainable. Obviously if a run is borderline impossible I'd prefer to see a Mon reach its max potential by any means necessary before giving up on it (such as the Spinarak run), but there's definitely a balance to be reached between logical convenience and illogical abuse. Just wanted to drop this idea out there if it would make these easier (production wise) and more enjoyable.
I legit dump it and just use an emulator, there's 0 modification happening. On Emulator the in game clock is tied to the real clock so it can be changed.
14:52 "I'm very unsure why I can't seem to get a confusion" well it sounds to me like the confusion is working fine, just not in the way you want...lol
This was a cool run! Admittedly I've always had a soft spot for Sunkern and especially Sunflora. Part of me wishes they were better than they actually are, since I'd love to use one on a team one day just because I've always liked it and found it cute. But hey - pokemon don't have to be good or strong to be one of your favourites!
It is kinda strange though, typically if a pokemon is very weak in its base evolution it will evolve into something pretty good like Garados, and Sunkern needs a special stone that only worked on 2 pokemon when it was introduced. You would think Sunflora would be a good grass type but no, just average to below as far as stats go
@@glitchin1233 this is very common especially in older gens - earlygame pokemon are supposed to be weak, lategame pokemon are supposed to be strong. this is also why rock throw had 60% accuracy in gen 1 - early trainers use rock types, so make rock types moves worse
I forget if Gen 4 has the Fateful Encounter flag so Darkrai will obey or not. If doing a solo run you'd need to be able to make it so Darkrai will obey in the first battle or just lose it since it isn't required to win then edit it in a save editor to be Fateful Encounter. I know Gen 3 had it for Deoxys and Jirachi, maybe Celebi and Mew, where if that flag isn't checked it won't listen to you like a traded Pokemon.
Fun fact, I beat ORAS with a Sunkern (as part of a team, it was "every bad pokemon from each generation" themed), and he.. disabled Mega Evolutions with Worry Seed. Good times.
Man I love the vids you do from the later generations. Don't get me wrong, the gen 1 runs are gold, but it's cool to see you flex those battling skills with more intricate (at least, intentionally) mechanics.
1:00:38
"We're gonna lead with Sunkern"
I'd be concerned if a solo run about Sunkern didn't include having Sunkern as the lead.
i didn't notice how long this video was until i saw the comment and realized I'm an hour and 10 minutes in X)
but yeah i thought the exact same! there were _soooo_ many alternatives, I just couldn't believe it!
"Now guys, I have a very good reason to lead with my HM slave."
😂 nice one
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Ah, the Sunkern cost fallacy
You gave me the biggest groan and eye roll for a while.
Take my like and get out.
...get out
I've seen many a fool stuck at the game center spending their last pokedollar due to that.
God damn it
I feel like "gets one shot by a resisted giga drain from a sunken after just one growth" is a good reason to add slugma to the challenge run list lol
Lol pathetic slug
Oof slugma is so bad
That's how you die of Slugma
I looked at slugmas moveset and the only good non fire moves it gets are rockslide, return and body slam. But slugmas only stat above 40 is special attack. Emerald is probably impossible without double team strats although ruby or sapphire might be possible.
SLUGMA NUTS
1:18:39
"does not match up well against Sunkern at all."
Almost definitely the first time in history that phrase has been used.
I love that this statement was immediately followed up with an almost-perfect Sunkern solarbeam sweep
Sunkern leveled up against Drake, and I was like "oh no, the badge boost glitch reset!" And then I remembered...
That's how you know you've been watching him too long lmao
Felt
you know it's bad when leveling up is a bad thing
gen 1 is just so confusing
two years late to the party but i was like "all those growths..."
I always like to think how the crobat feels in these situations, talking to the mightyena after the fight. "yeah I can't believe how hard this sunkern hit me with secret power, I can't see how that can happen. Wait YOU BOOSTED HIS ATTACK HOW MANY TIMES???"
Lol
"ITS ONE KID WITH THE WORST POKEMON AND YOU DECIDE TO BOOST HIM UNTILL HE CAN ACTUALLY BEAT US?"
@@chungaplea3323 “It’s a SUNKERN! You blow on it and it dies! Why would you raise its attack?!?” 😂
@@KainaX122 "With that kind of strategy, you want us to lose! Do you really want to let those water hippies and their fat wailord take over? Ok, then start using crunch and stop turning random sunkerns into salamences!
Highscholl dxd strats
imagine being one of these gym leaders
you're just completely obligated through your employment to deal with this schizo barging in hundreds of times with his singular sunkern until he eventually makes a joke of you and wins through a series of miraculous flukes
Othow if using a save file they will only be battleling for the first time each time
Later
Their serperiors(Gen 5 introduced but Gen 6 contrarian grass type nope rope aka snek joke intended.): Wtf? How did that fricking happen?
The gym leader: Got Arceus(joke intended) awful luck. I think hitting moves like Horn drill is more likely. Series of flukes and me getting overconfident.
The serpereriors: understandable.
@@sergiosierra2422 yeah but it will feel like a deja vu for the npc's
Honestly I'd feel bad for the sunkern and would see if there was a pokemon abuse hotline I could report to.
Battle Tower in a nutshell. You fight through hordes of trainers and get a really long streak until some punk gets an insane stroke of luck that ends your streak.
So in Gen2 I believe Mirror move will copy almost any move your opponent last used (Like in the Gen2 minimum battles run Blue's Pidgeot mirrors Kenya's curse and got a sweep)
This got changed in Gen3. The logic is that Mirror move's concept is actually to reflect (pun intended) whatever move you got hit last and use your opponent's moves to hit back.
In other words, Mirror move can only work on moves that you got targeted on.
Growth is a self-target move, you do not "Growth" your opponent, you growth yourself. Therefore it will not be Mirror Moved starting in Gen3.
Attract is a move that targets the opponent, so you can mirror move attract.
That’s exactly how it works. Mirror Move can never copy a status move that targets the user, be it a boosting move, a healing move or something wacky like Substitute or Destiny Bond, but it can copy status moves that target the opponent like Attract.
@@rainpooper7088 what about something like Explosion?
@@velvetbutterfly id imagine yes it would assuming you survived and the opponent had another pokemon. But could be wrong
How about Destiny Bond? I don't remember if it's a status effect inflicted on the user or the opponent.
@@velvetbutterfly explosion would not work because the new Pokemon that came out has not used any moves yet.
I fondly remember a time watching my brother playing Pokemon showdown. He came across an opponent named "Sunkern Man". His team was a single level 100 Sunkern. I remember that national hero today.
You have embodied his spirit well.
We salute you, Sunkern Man.
what a legend
I hope your brother made it out of sub 1000 rating
It's awesome to have a series like Jrose's which is, respectfully, anti-hardcore. The pokemon runs nowadays seem to be moving more and more towards hardcore rulesets and difficult romhacks, so runs like this where you're not doing calcs, showing yourself changing plans, and struggling a lot is nice and chill to have
In a way, that makes him more hardcore, because he's NOT using calc.
@@Infindox I can think of fewer things more hardcore than not saving between E4 members and failing hundreds of tries before you level up
@@ZZalles1 gayrose11
Beating emerald with just a sunkern is the hardcore enough 🤣🤣
Completely disagree. He _does_ show himself changing plans and struggling. I don't know why you think he doesn't.
from bulbapedia: "Mirror Move will fail if no moves were targeted at the user"
so I guess because Growth wasn't being used at Swablu, Mirror Move failed
yup, Growth only affects the user, and has no target. So since Swablu wasn't the target of Growth, because Growth only targets the user, then Mirror Move failed.
Was gonna say this but looks like you beat me to it
Nothing like a Jrose vid at 1am, loving the regular uploads lately!
I was just about to go to bed but it looks like I’m staying up late!
period
It’s 12 am here, we’re here together with you bro
He'd got an editor now so his channel is a functional business instead of a hobby
Same here in Europe at breakfast time 👌
Hey jrose, there's actually a very quick way to level up in Emerald, while the vs seeker doesn't exist you can rebattle trainers using the pokenav. How it works is that for the trainers you have registered in your pokenav, each of them might want to rebattle you when you enter their route. If you just go in and out of their route very quickly, you can rebattle them a lot and level up very quickly. I recommend route 117, pretty sure that's the fastest
I'd be very surprised if he didn't know that.
It's just not as consistent as Vs. Seeker
that would be nice if it was guaranteed.
@@Jrose11 wanted to say do the reporters, but I guess you would need the gym badge for that ^^
I usually battle the interviewers with Magneton and Exploud to gain experience. Not sure if @jrose would consider that using another pokemon since u need two to initiate the battle
Someone's probably already pointed this out, but you can get two TM's for Return. If you get the Meteorite after beating Maxie 1 and give it to the scientist in Fallarbor town, he'll give you a Return TM. The other more well known Return TM is the one you get from the old man in Pacifidlog town.
Sunflora really deserved a mega evolution or a third evolution. It’s another one of those sad Pokémon where it sucks in the game but it’s so cute you want to use it. I remember watching that contest episode of the anime so many times on my VHS, and it was my moms favourite Pokémon. Funny childhood memories.
Idk... sunflora actually has a decent movepool and a not unserviceable special attack. Certainly has some potential use especially now with terastalizing.
Especially since Megaflora is a word. Get on it, Gamefreak.
its not that bad if you set up sunny day with another poke before it.
I'm sure the Steven battle would have been fun, since he starts off with a Skarmory that double resists Grass and has Toxic and STAB Aerial Ace.
@@raikaria3090 In Ruby or Sapphire it might become possible just by being level 100, although he got close to that already to beat Drake. In Emerald since it's postgame with much higher levels I don't actually think it would be possible, but sometimes Jrose manages to do runs that I think are impossible.
@@scoobiusmaximus9508 No, in Ruby and Sapphire it's not posible. There is literally 0 chances of Sunkern defeating R/S Steven, even at lvl 100. You don't seem to understand how type effectiveness works. You won't even get past Skarmory, even with a Full Ivs Modest 252Sp.Attack Sunkern. You have an Sp.attack of 200? Well, your STAB grass attacks are basically hitting said Skarmory with an Sp.Attack of 50.
@@HannibalKantter Obligatory mention: it's always *technically* possible with Double Team/Reflect, it would just be miserable and completely up to RNG
@@loulou3676 Or female Sunkern with attract.
@@HannibalKantter I'm not sure if you watched the video you're literally commenting on, but in that very Drake battle I referenced he used Solar Beam, a grass type move, to knock out Altaria and Salamence, which both 4x resist Grass. I understand how type effectiveness works, I'm wondering if you understand the video you supposedly fucking watched. No need to be an asshole.
The major difference between Drake and Ruby/Sapphire Steven would be that setting up on Skarmory would be a fucking nightmare. When you look at the rest of Steven's team it might actually not be as bad as Drake's because only Metagross resists Grass besides Skarmory.
Sunkern is the weakest pokemon... that have something that resembles a movepool. Sure, there are weaker mons, but they all have 1-2 damaging moves at best and that's it.
And that's why I believe Sunkern is more interesting to watch, because it has some level of variation in strats, while still being very weak.
Weakest pokemon Statswise.
Before wishiwashi in gen 7 had even worse stats
It's the weakest Pokemon in terms of total base stats. It's not necessarily the weakest pokemon overall, however.
Would beldum be the worst pokemon in terms of movepool then?
@@dograttargod I mean, Caterpie's only two moves until gen4 were tackle and string shot. Take Down is better than those. Beldum also has better stats and typing too. Gen 5+ starts giving Caterpie SOME options, and I don't know about other modern pokemon.
@@SquallLionhart409 Babei pusdeo legends like Beldum(Final form is a metagross), Larvitar(final form is tyranitar), and and bagon(final form is a salamence) are supposed to be weak. That’s why these Pokémon have stats that compare to legendaries to make up for the pain without something like Slaking(which is technically a pusdeo legend) being ruined by the god awful truant(the Pokémon with this ability waste every second turn their own doing jack flummery. Also who the frick put a censor on this account?) ability. Yes Durant can make the ability work with entrainment to give it to opponents and enable some farther funny strats but it was meant to be an ability that illuminate(All it does is increase wolf pokemon encounter rate) has more useage than in competitive Pokémon battles.
Sunkern is unironically one of my favorite grass pokemon, I wish it wasn't such a bad pokemon and that sunflora actually was stronger or at least was a grass/fire type or evolved into one. That would make that line so unique and cool
Weird how we're eight generations in and we still haven't gotten a Fire/Grass type.
@@OmegaTyrant Yeah they only exist in the romhacks and fan made games. In pokemon insurgence sunflora actually mega evolves into a fire/grass type.
@@OmegaTyrant oh you want flaming razor leaf , forest fire spin , lava drain , and Diamond scale . fire/grass type , super weak , but super strong ..
oh no....... it would have no counters.. thats why .. cause fire would keep it from being super effected and grass would keep water from being super effective...
@@joshuablackmon939 Fire/Grass is still weak to Flying, Rock, and Poison, and is walled by Dragon and other Fire types. Far from "no counters".
Glad to see all these impossible challenges over the last couple of months! The Red/Blue Solo runs are great, but it’s nice to have some more unique ones to balance it out.
disagree. the only reason I am subscribed is because I want red and blue challenges.
I subscribed for jrose
@@sameash3153 variety is the spice of life or smt like that.. chill bro
@@Gabe413 I'm a simple man
@@sameash3153 You're a drone
Flannery: I just became a gym leader of the fire gym!
Jrose: *Wipes with a sunkern on her first day on the job*
I know you're much more familiar with Gen 1 and this isn't meant to be some 'optimised' run, but Brawly's Meditite's only attacking move is Focus Punch (its other moves are Bulk Up and dual screens).
So yes, Bullet Seed is always safe, but you could have also used Brawly's potion turn to set up Ingrain or an additional Growth.
Sometimes I just love Jroses optimisme. Oh, mega drain made a little dent in the feathers of this insane flying dragon that blast my sunkern into oblivion and wipes it's butt with it.... this seems doable!
So, I played Emerald before I played GSC, so when I found a Sunkern in the Safari Zone extension of the post game, I was fascinated. I kept leveling it and leveling it, all the way to level 70.
Then, after farming sun stones for a Bellossom and having this Sunkern in the party, I saw that it could evolve. Lemme just say that 12 year old me was very disappointed.
I thought sunflora was SUCH a cool pokemon when I was a kid... I always wanted to have one, well, until I had one 😂
@@emymagkuchen I will say, Sunflora with Chlorophyll can one shot Primal Groudon with Grass Knot.
Am I the only one who unironicly love Sunflora as a pokemon?
@@rojopantalones9791 anything can one shot groudon with grass knot
@@rojopantalones9791 Wrong. It can one shot normal Groudon, not the Fire type Primal form. Which isn't a feat considering any non-grass Pokémon with Grass Knot can one shot Groudon with Grass Knot too, without being an useless Pokémon like Sunflora is.
Winona's battle made me think about her Altaria.
In the OG games, Altaria has Dragon Dance at level 33 despite learning it at a much higher level, with Cotton Guard being the "correct" move if she really needed a boosting move.
However, in the remakes, Altaria not only gets stronger with some level-ups but she can also learn Dragon Dance at level 30, making the original movepool something "legal". What's her non-offensive move again? Oh, yeah, it's Cotton Guard.
Jrose's videos are the kinda ones that I'd watch each one atleast twice.
Once to listen and fall asleep to at night and again the next day to see what I missed out on.
"Unless I were to get insane luck with Attract, it's very difficult to win with my current strategy"
Yeah, I have that problem even outside of Pokemon. Jrose. haha
Just want to say, I absolutely love this series. Call me crazy, but I download these & listen to them on my daily runs, so much so that I’ve actually started re-watching them from the start (up to Hitmonchan). Just want to say thanks for the amazing content & dedication to these videos, looking forward to this one, though I might save it for part of my longer run on Sunday, thanks again!
They help on your runs?? Lately music hasn't been doing it for me so I've been looking for something new to keep me going
@@alexsantebla2480 Have you tried with no music before?
@@alexsantebla2480 Sissy hypno is pretty energizing, assuming you also have a mental defect
"Thankfully, I am male-" -Jrose11, 2022 (29:14)
It was a questionable change to put Wallace as champion for Emerald. I liked the variety that Steven gave at the end. When playing normally with an on-level team, you'd need some diverse moves and types to take him. Wallace was sort of a higher level repeat of Juan for me.
My prediction: Sunkern’s movepool will make it not nearly as bad as it looks on paper
But emerald is significantly harder than red/blue. I bet he'll really struggle
@@Rattus375 Yeah, it's not gen 1 where nearly EVERY Pokemon has a terrible moveset.
It's amazing how consistently entertaining your content is. Despite the structure and delivery being very similar for every video it just works. Love it JRose!
A 29 year old majoring in neuroscience, struggling with his education while balancing his acting profession, sits playing Pokemon Crystal while relaxing with the Man Jrose when he says "I don't want to level up past my problems"..... I felt that
Well now I can’t sleep because I can’t stop thinking about whether Sunkern has a nervous system
I'm curious how your major is going now
@@mustanserabbas7930 Appreciate you asking!! Still chipping away at it and I’ve honed in on a Medical school in Scotland.
"Thankfully I am male, so I can use Attract".
~Jrose11, 2022
I'm glad you save between elite 4 members in these impossible challenges.
So during the Gen II era, in one of my game playthroughs, I really wanted to use Sunkern, as I saw that it could learn Sunny Day, Synthesis, and Giga Drain upon level-up, and then if you evolved it on the same level it learned Giga Drain, the Sunflora would learn Solarbeam, and my young brain at the time thought that would be an awesome moveset (what is type coverage?). I unfortunately did not know at the time how garbage Sunkern's stats were, and actually training it up to Lv. 46 was an utter pain... and the resulting Sunflora, wasn't particularly worth it either.
I feel like this Sunkern run was a bit of redemption for this little seed, especially with the final moveset being almost the same (but with Growth instead of Synthesis).
Hey @Jrose11 video idea here: It would be interesting to see like an "in-depth" video of like the routes you take in your Red & Blue runs and why. There are a lot of optional routes. misty or rival2 first, gym order, about saving time, getting TM08 even though it takes a battle, your most cursed trainers, maby routes with no mandatory trainers you normally cut out has some story you could show? And other trivia like how you plan your runs / workload / your fastest and slowest RT Runs! : ) Have a good one
Watch the Mewtwo record video
As soon as you said "difficult to beat bulky pokemon with only grass type moves" I thought "Don't Winona and Drake have dragon-flying types?...Oh no... " XD
0:21
Jrose11 : Sunkern is unique.
Gordon Ramsay : Uniquely sh*t !
I wanted to say thanks for introducing me to solo and challenge runs. I don’t think I would’ve tried them if I hadn’t had so much fun watching yours. But I finally figured out how to get extra save files in ORAS and I’m doing a beedrill run in alpha sapphire now. It’s been great, and I’ll probably do more. Thanks for doing what you do!
You didn't get introduced by Pikasprey, MDB, nor Goose it?
@@ShinyTillDawn honestly, no. I did smallant do some challenge runs, but it was smallant so I just assumed I could never. Jrose made it seem more down to earth somehow, like something I could see myself doing
Love how the final boss was the easy fight. Basically gave you a free win due to the strong from the previous elite four member.
I think the word I picked up on the most throughout this playthrough was 'unfortunately'; everything about Sunkern is indeed unfortunate, as even the u in Sunkern stands for 'unfortunate'.
sunfortunate
Can't wait for the Porygon challenge.
Also fossil race: which is best - Omastar, Kabutops or Aerodactyl?
I've always had a soft spot for Kabutops. Just looks cool.
The answer is Aerodactyl lol.
Kabutops
i prefer Omastar, but i'm pretty confident Aerodactyl is just too strong.
@@Jabadamazo I think it might have some problems against rock types though.
My prediction: Growth or Some healing move will be absolutely essential. Otherwise: GG
Who are you, who are so wise in the ways of science?
@@LeCheckmate JRose is love. JRose is life.
24:09 never thought I'd hear an Angel reference in your videos lol. Currently watching it for the first time.
(17:20) Overheat is 140 base power, not 150. But yeah, it's way too much for your seed.
(29:44) Maybe it's because Attract targeted Swablu, while Growth only buffed the user, so it can only use Mirror Move on something that targets it?
(33:09) There are certain trainers that get registered in your PokéNav in RSE, and you can get into rematches with them. It's a bit finicky, but usually I find that if you enter and leave the route that the trainer is on rapidly and repeatedly (like, by going up and down across the border between Route 104 and Rustboro, for example), this greatly increases the likelihood that trainers on that route will suddenly want to rematch you. And, when you first open the PokéNav, if its big blue light on the left is blinking, that means there's a trainer on that route that's ready to rematch you, so that can be a quick way to check (Route 104 is particularly good for money, because of the Lady and Rich Boy that can both rematch you on that route). However, this doesn't seem to work all that well for some places like Petalburg Woods that you have to screen transition into (I can almost never get the Bug Catcher there to rematch me at will, for instance).
(1:15:43) Actually, you'd need 6 Growths to double your power compared to 2. With 2 Growths, you have 200% power. With 4 Growths, you have 300% power, not 400%. Therefore, it would take 6 Growths to reach 400% power.
(1:16:58) Yep. With just 5 Growths under your belt, you only have 350% power, which is not quite enough.
(1:18:10) Clutch crit FTW!
(1:18:35) You're welcome!
(1:20:05) And that's game, with a first-try flawless victory on Wallace! Huzzah!
It’s weird seeing bullet seed doing no damage. In the mystery dungeon games, it’s one of the most insanely overpowered moves ever. It’s long range and it does a crapload of damage every time. I’ve knocked out boss Pokémon in one turn using bullet seed because every hit does over 200 damage. The only multi-hit move that I’ve seen so more damage is bonemerang on a marowak. Multi hit moves are incredibly powerful in PMD
Thanks for doing these runs, they’re incredibly interesting to see, and I appreciate branching into the later games,
As there’s only so many Gen 1 runs, and seeing later games feels way fresher.
Thank you so much for the abundance of content recently, Jrose! Just please be sure to not over work yourself and get burnt out on Pokémon. That would be catastrophic.
I think it'd be interesting to see a run using only Unown (who can only ever have Hidden Power and Struggle) or Rotom.
Thank you Jrose. Was going through a terrible gallbladder attack and your video helped me get through it. Part way through couldn't really even listen to the video anymore but just seeing you repeat a fight again and again trying to get a win gave me something to focus on. In normal circumstances your videos are top notch entertainment, keep it up.
While using a magikarp for the mandatory double battles is a decent solution, I've wondered why you dont just catch a duplicate of the pokemon youre using instead. That sounds more like a true solo run to me, but maybe im going insane. Great content as always!
He'd then have to train up 2 sunkern unfortunately
I fell asleep to this video last night after taking 10mg of melatonin and it was honestly a very relaxing and ethereal experience
1:35 "Overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer."
Man, sunkern really DRAINS!!
Get it? Uh? Get it? Do you get it?
Honestly, watching you not go for attract against altaria was so frustrating. That was always the best option
I was also a bit confused as to why he didn't replace Growth with Calm Mind?
@@joelmorris9694 because sunkern can't learn that?
@@merry8647 Well. That makes a lot of sense, then 😅😂
@@merry8647 don't you know sunflower seeds are renowed for their psychic abilities
Maybe I've been watching too much kitchen nightmares bc I thought he was gonna say "Sunkern is unique... Uniquely shit."
I remember doing an Azurill run and it was pretty fun, it was difficult at times (Tate and Liza, Phoebe was annoying because i couldn´t spam Return and Dusclops used Curse a lot) i finished the run at level 97, i dont know if it is possible to do it at a lower level but hey, it is what it is
You're insane
I like the fact that jrose can consistently put out entertaining content that speaks for itself without having to resort to the usual begging that most youtubers unfortunately do.
UA-cam doesn't prefer people like Jrose unlike a cheater like Dream or a double team abuser like MDB.
@@ShinyTillDawn Maybe I'm out of the loop here, but who is dream and mdb?
@@mrwillard95 How tf do you not know who they are? Anyway, MDB took over Pikasprey in raking in views for Pokémon challenges. He had devolved to using double team to cheese challenges. Dream has 26 million subscribers, and he manipulated RNG in his popular Minecraft speedruns and got away with it.
So happy whenever I see one of these videos up. It really makes my day. Thank you, Jrose.
Been watching for a decent time now. You're one of my favorite pokemon content creators. I love these soo much I sometimes fall asleep to challenges I've already watched. Listening to this knowledge helps calm me. Thank you for being great :)
That voltorb just rubbed salt into that paralysis with that selfdestruct
1:20:35 "while Steven is a more difficult champion"
*Steven sitting in a cave waiting to battle you*
"ok"
Great vid I really like the gen 3 challenges. If you’re looking for more ideas i think it would be a fun run if every battle was a double battle but only be able to use plusle and minun
I want to see a tier list for Emerald like the one you did for Red&Blue.
Anyway, it was a very entertaining run to watch while stuff was encoding at my job.
As someone who once took a Sunkern named Godslayer to OU and tore stuff up in Gen 7 (Z-Encore lmao), I am more excited for this than I can even articulate.
So TECHNICALLY it isnt actually the pokemon with the lowest stats. By all rights, shedinja is in fact worse, having only 161 USABLE stat points, with 75 points that realistically dont exist at all, since it only has 1 hp, and the minimum damage you can take from an attack (inany generatio except gen 1, which shedinja doesnt exist in anyway) is 1, the 75 points it has in its defenses technically do not exist, as it will LITERALLY never be able to get use from them! So if you go just by the stats you will actually get use out of, sunkern has more usable stats than shedinja.
It's such a change not to have you cheer for Growth because of the Badge Boost Glitch but because of the actual stat boost :D
I like how the end credits is just Sunkern spam.
Although not necessarily easy to get, white herbs can be obtained by pickup if you ever wanted to try a white herb strat to deal with intimidate/sand attack
Yeah, but it was Emerald that introduced the pool of Pickupable items varies by level, and White Herbs are a level 41 at minimum and a 1% at that and the highest level pick up mon one can have in Emerald is 27. Even if he did allow for the daycare, it's 50,000 steps, and he'd still have to grind for the White Herb.
Yes it would be a grind.
Plus experience share.
The ironic thing (atleast for me) is that you did this MUCH better than I did with a whole team of Poochyena!
Jrose is in my top 5 channels right now and that might be too low. This content is fantastic
You're right.
Gen 3 Sunkern solo... Now THIS is a CHALLENGE. Thank you for such good video.
Very cool run! During Brawley to be fully optimal you could ingrain on the turn meditite is being healed. Since you know you won’t take damage from him. Could save PP. didn’t matter tho
Me: Oh hey an upload!
Me, looking at the clock: Jrose you good? It's 11pm!?
Sees the Pokemon: No. No he isn't. Fair enough.
Since you're moving into Gen 3, will you start taking into account which of two abilities gives you the better advantage for each run?
Looking forward to Hustle Togepi run.
I was looking for something to watch at 12:45 am … and now I have my answer :) keep it up man!
my reverse frown turned upside down - that made me laugh so hard. I am gonna use that
you know a video is gonna be rough when jrose uploads it at ass o'clock
I'm just screaming "KILL THE XATU FIRST ALREADY" at my screen at this point
I would argue Sunkern has a great Grass move pool. Basically learns everything that wasn't super exclusive.
Unfortunately no coverage.
Only moves that could help it are by TMS.
Useful moves can be taught are Sludge Bomb, Toxic, Sunny Day, Attract and of course, Protect.
A great Grass move pool doesn't help as much as a diverse one.
Especially when you need to deal with Fire types.
In Generation 3, Mirror Move doesn't work on moves that you use on yourself. It only works on moves that you use against your opponent.
One example is Growth, which you use on yourself, and Mirror Move can't copy the move. Now if it's something like Sand Attack or Toxic, those can be copied by Mirror Move because they target your opponent.
The fact you didn't need lv 100 is just straight up impressive. Love your content man!
I saw how much of the video was left when you had that final Drake battle and thought that this was gonna be a failed run. Glad I was wrong lol.
Just throwing this out there for future Gen 3 stuff because of your Glacia battle where you thought setting up against the Blizzard Sealeo wouldn't be viable (despite many other luck based strategies used throughout), Blizzard doesn't get its accuracy negating during Hail effect until Gen 4.
Great run though, glad you're branching out more recently. Gotta say though, I feel like you make certain aspects of these way harder on yourself than they need to be. Specifically referring to the berry fiasco near the end, why if you're modifying your save (I assume this is what you meant by "importing" it to something like PKHex) you don't just tinker with your EVs manually since it's fundamentally the same thing. The same idea could be applied to using Candies to level up instead of fighting wild Mons, although I think there's probably limitations to the legitimacy of this ideal such as modifying IVs for different Hidden Powers (or for anything really) at different points in the run or changing your ability in games before the Ability Capsule exists/is obtainable.
Obviously if a run is borderline impossible I'd prefer to see a Mon reach its max potential by any means necessary before giving up on it (such as the Spinarak run), but there's definitely a balance to be reached between logical convenience and illogical abuse. Just wanted to drop this idea out there if it would make these easier (production wise) and more enjoyable.
I legit dump it and just use an emulator, there's 0 modification happening. On Emulator the in game clock is tied to the real clock so it can be changed.
14:52 "I'm very unsure why I can't seem to get a confusion" well it sounds to me like the confusion is working fine, just not in the way you want...lol
Steven has many rock types, so you probably could beat him eventually.
Love the content dude , you and other great poke tubers are really making me miss the old games ❤ keep up the hard work !!
This was a cool run! Admittedly I've always had a soft spot for Sunkern and especially Sunflora. Part of me wishes they were better than they actually are, since I'd love to use one on a team one day just because I've always liked it and found it cute.
But hey - pokemon don't have to be good or strong to be one of your favourites!
It is kinda strange though, typically if a pokemon is very weak in its base evolution it will evolve into something pretty good like Garados, and Sunkern needs a special stone that only worked on 2 pokemon when it was introduced. You would think Sunflora would be a good grass type but no, just average to below as far as stats go
@@glitchin1233 this is very common especially in older gens - earlygame pokemon are supposed to be weak, lategame pokemon are supposed to be strong. this is also why rock throw had 60% accuracy in gen 1 - early trainers use rock types, so make rock types moves worse
It's always a good day when there's an hour and a half long JRose run video
Would be so cool to watch a darkrai through Pearl or somehthing of the sorts.. Great video as always!!
No it wouldn't stfu
I forget if Gen 4 has the Fateful Encounter flag so Darkrai will obey or not. If doing a solo run you'd need to be able to make it so Darkrai will obey in the first battle or just lose it since it isn't required to win then edit it in a save editor to be Fateful Encounter. I know Gen 3 had it for Deoxys and Jirachi, maybe Celebi and Mew, where if that flag isn't checked it won't listen to you like a traded Pokemon.
Fun fact, I beat ORAS with a Sunkern (as part of a team, it was "every bad pokemon from each generation" themed), and he.. disabled Mega Evolutions with Worry Seed. Good times.
JRose, we haven't seen many middle evolution runs. Would it maybe be worth trying an Ivysaur or Machoke only run?
Kinda seems like there would be no point. It'd be worse than the final form and better than the rookie form. No suspense at all.
Oh no. Even as a lover of Grass types, I would not wish Sunkern on my worst enemy.
Man I love the vids you do from the later generations. Don't get me wrong, the gen 1 runs are gold, but it's cool to see you flex those battling skills with more intricate (at least, intentionally) mechanics.
Swablu joins Lorelei in the group of Pokemon characters that get a special JRose pronunciation
The madlad even does it with the worse pokemon in the game.. What amazing content, so happy that I discovered this channel!
Jrose's return to posting has been amazing O_O
Man you keep on giving amazing content 100%!
Just looking at this title, I know this will be an uphill battle from the beginning
Despite how terrible sunkern is, its kind of adorable.
Jrose, you really SUNK another challenge right in the pocket! Hope ya have a nice, sunny day with the next run!