Zubat is *Really* BAD in Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire
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- Опубліковано 29 жов 2023
- I mean, no duh, it's a Zubat lol.
Edited by: @SimplyAJ
Music by: @makegamemusic
Rules and Explanations
Rules: (1) Only use the one Pokémon in Battle, others for HMs are fine. (2) No Items in battle (3) No Glitches* (4) Set Mode (5) No evasion moves - Ігри
If my math is right your Roxanne attempt is less than a 1% chance of all the flinches and misses. So very lucky and very insane.
Luck is JRose's middle name
If its 10percent miss its a 0.01% for 4 misses
@@alexrobinet7576 It’d actually be 0.0625% but not exactly; that would only be the case if the nosepass attacked 4 times; however it attacked more than 4 times.
@@alexrobinet7576rock tomb is 20% miss, however you did calc all his flinches cause bites flinch is 10% if I remember right
@@rontheauraknight960630%
Hidden power: With the fact you don't choose your DVs/IVs, it'd be a bit bad for a tierlist like your gen 1 one, but for an impossibles run I see 0 problem with it
Honestly, we probably should've been doing "designer" Pokemon from the start.
If the question is "CAN" the pokemon do it, and we're asking about it's potential, seeing it at it's best sounds fair
@@1stCallipostleThat's when you watch Scott's Thoughts. In his solo runs he sets his pokemon's DVs or IVs to max or max minus whatever he needs for a good coverage Hidden Power type. Plus he does multiple runs to optimize the results as much as possible.
RBY/GSC Challenges does the opposite. He sets ivs/dvs to zero in all runs.
His challenges are to prove any version of the pokemon is feasible. Scott's runs prove whether perfect pokemon can complete his run, along with Gym Leader Matt, JRose just jumps in feet first and tries his damnedest.
All different, all good versions of runs imo. All very different personalities too.
In that sense, using Zigzagoons to farm Rare Candies would also be a bad idea for a tierlist, since they make leveling up kinda trivial, and therefore difficult to judge when a Pokemon has been struggling in specific parts of the game.
@@gaminggoddess85 Scott is pretty fantastic. Love his videos, especially with how extensive his testing is.
That Roxanne win was absolutely perfection
At 26:41 Lunatone attacked Zubat because when the AI estimated the damage for Psychic, it rolled a favorable range against Zubat and saw a KO on both targets, causing it to choose randomly.
I love the hoenn elite four. Sidenigh, fuebbe, glaseeyah, and dracky are all super cool. Their champion Stevine Stahnee is amazing too
Actually in emerald wallackey becomes the champion
How to trigger pokemon community xD with mispronounced E4 names 😂
I already knew how Sidney would be pronounced because he's already done this joke before lol
Pulse effect, is that you???
i live for this type of chaos. Where nobody gets hurt lol
Such a punch in the gut they buffed Leech Life like crazy in Gen 7 then instantly gave Zubat absorb instead
They couldn't just let that many early game Pokemon have an 80 power move that drains HP (a lot of the pokemon that learnt it had STAB too) when most of the pokemon have tackle or a weak elemental move at the same level
@@jacobgiron96yes, actually, they could have
@@frozenfeet4534nah that would’ve been too broken to have an 80 bp move that early
@@frozenfeet4534 Dude, is called "difficulty balancing". If it is too powerful then they need to nerf it so they don't make the games too hard.
@@SoggySlopsterthen just have zubat learn leech life at a later level like mid 20s or 30s
So the odds of Nosepass either getting flinched or missing rock tomb is 38.75% on a single turn. For that to happen for 6 turns in a row (7, but we're not counting the potion) would be a 0.34% chance. Its not really important to find the odds of exactly miss-miss-flinch-miss-miss-flinch or w/e because we don't really care about any specific order, just that Nosepass was unable to move for 6 turns.
It may not be important but its incredibly fun to know.
If you know the answer, Brownie point from me, and probably from JRose too.
Maybe I'm missing something, but aren't the odds 44% (1 - (0.8*0.7))? And the other thing to consider is that while yes, the odds of 6 in a row is that low, JRose used Bite 14 times (I think). 6 in a row can occur 9 ways with 14 attempts, so the odds are either 3.04% (using your 38.75% figure) or 6.5% (with my 44% figure). Either way, lucky dude
@jbillion you might want to go back to school.
So a little worse than the probability of a Gen 1 miss.
It actually does matter because it lowers it from a .34% to a .02% chance
It's strange how Zubat only has a worse and worse time as each gen progresses despite the many advancements and possible strategies that come with each generation.
Not really. It's incredibly weak in gen 1 and power creep started instantly. I don't think any of the gen 1 mons of equivalent strength ever had a niche in anything moving forward that would substantially improve solo performance in future gens.
Imagine all the early game zubat seeing the leech life buff in gen 7, then realising they all got absorb instead now
It's probably because game freak kept giving his moves to golbat..
Literally by sword and shield he learns 5 moves, the second lowest amount of any pokemon
@@tsyumamatsuthehavenofguard32Damn that's bad!
@@longliverocknroll5True, especially considering it's not just what Zubat can or cannot do. Each gen it just can't catch a break with the kind of opponents it has to face.
Casual 1% encounter at 10:34
Volbeat was my last Hoenn entry on Ruby. This was before I had easy access to the internet so I thought my game was bugged so that Volbeat wouldn't spawn lol. I still remember which patch of grass I spawned her in.
The Zubat videos are some of my favorite. It feels like it somehow gets worse more and more even though it should have more tools every gen.
The beauty of power creep
Because other Pokemon also have more tools.
Cynthia will be a brick wall
Gen one and two are just the easier for solo runs, for example because of the badge boost glitch in gen one
Hidden Power can be a lifesaver in solo runs depending on the Pokémon and the type, but pretty much only in cases of awful matchups in specific battles. When I was putting together my personal project of solo runs in Platinum, I put Hidden Power in the category of "crutch" -- moves or items that tend to help weaker runs more than stronger runs -- which led me to avoid using it when possible and adjust the run's ranking downward if I couldn't get past certain battles at a reasonable level without it.
Yeah I think Jrose should honestly use that system too, having it be disfavoured but not banned means that pokemon who need it to get past their weaknesses still get to use it, but not without consequences
That's a good idea. I'd link it with RBY Pokémon challenges's idea of a broken TM list - all of which would reduce the final ranking.
I think for any "impossible" runs you should be aloud to have max IVs/whatever hidden power youd like. To say any challange is truly impossible it has to be under 100% optimal conditions.
The word "impossible" here isn't really meant literally; as you can see, he actually completes each of these runs. The rules you propose would make sense if his goal was to fail and thereby prove that the challenge is literally impossible.
It should not be optimal, and these arent meant to be 100% scientific. He treats these challenges as standard playthroughs, just with the starter being changed, no other cheats involved
He already did that with the Weedle video (only one I remember, though). That was a true and literal impossible video.
@iandieb well it's technically possible. Just requires the luckiest luck to ever luck
Max IVs lock his hidden power type.
So choosing a specific type with decent attack power will result in worse IVs. So they will each balance out anyway. The difference isn't going to be as big as you think anyway.
A Jrose11 video on my birthday? AND it opens with the Count?? AND it’s over an hour??? Magnificent. Utterly magnificent.
Thanks for all the hard work you and your editor do!
🎂🍰🕯🎉
🎂
Happy birthday!
Happy Birthday!!! 😊🎉
A quiet benefit of Gen 1 & 2 was that because of the way that Stat Experience worked, there was no such thing as detrimental experience grinding. Afterwards, you even out in a way that makes your pokemon less tanky. It wouldn't surprise me if this Zubat was worse than a non-badge boost glitched Gen 1 Zubat.
your pronunciations of the elite 4 members was spot on, thanks for taking our criticisms!
I actually really like the whole Zubat line, so I'd be more than happy to see you run them in every gen. (Even if it's just Zubat)
A whole playlist of zubat vs each pokemon generation would be pretty awesome tbh, if your up to that task, assuming zubat is in the generation anyway
It would be heresy to have a gen without Zubat
@@darlhiatt8136 Black & White 1
@@darlhiatt8136 I mean for a while Sword and Shield was Zubatless until the dlc dropped
@Seafop and it was an Outrage! It made me want to Thrash! Graah!
@@darlhiatt8136 fair. i was upset too honestly, love me a crobat
Preemptively commenting that I hope the Count Dracula counts show up a few times in this video. Love the content as always!
He should have counted to 11 right at the beginning
CRINGE
@@GhGh-gq8ooshhhhh
Killing me with these elite 4 names 😆
joining you in the graveyard
I didn't notice until he said "fhweb", and now I'm crying
Steh-veen Stawnee got me.
The most scary parts of this whole episode 😂
@@ArsontAngelfire “Fuebes”
Phweb is killing me man. Sydny and Drakey are great too, but Phweb is just iconic mispronunciation. I'm totally naming some ghost type Phweb at some point
Edit: 51:02 From this day forth I will forever call Steven Stone, Steveen Stany
fwheb will be my extra chromosome child's name.
😂😂 he has to be intentionally pronouncing these names wrong there’s no way
@@TheFreestylebeastwhat do you mean? He literally said he would be making a concerted effort to pronounce their names properly. And he definitely delivered!
7 videos in the month of October?? And you start the video with the Count Von Count voice?? Oh now you're just SPOILING us!! Forget Halloween AND Thanksgiving cuz Christmas has come early folks!!! Keep em coming JRose11!!!
Idk what inspired you to release so many videos all of a sudden, but I love it. Thank you
I'm fine with hidden power
I honestly hated it before it had its base power fixed
IV RNG is one thing, getting a great typing and learning it has a base power of 32 or something? Way too much of a hassle.
YES COUNT JROSE IS BACK
Also, can I just say how awesome AJ has been at editing the videos? I usually listen to these on the background at work so I don't get to watch them as much as I'd like, but he's been making beautiful transitions and effects when you explain things with supplemental info. It's awesome. Very professional!
If you get paid, you can fart out anything
Hey Jrose, thanks for the content lately! These videos are a great way to just relax for a while and simply enjoy the entertainment! We all appreciate the work you put in!
"Fweb" had me rolling.
Dude. My sleep schedule will never be normal with these late night drops. Love the videos. You're my favorite youtuber.
Thank you! These videos help me so much in these dark times.
I watch most videos 3 or 3 times in the past month 😅
Didn’t know the “bloodthirsty AI” of always going for the kill shot if it has one wasn’t introduced until Emerald, I just assumed it was the same AI across games. That’s the only explanation I can think of why Walrein went for Surf the second time (the first time, if it sees a kill with multiple moves, it just picks one at random UNLESS one is a priority attack in which case it will always pick that, thank you PokemonChallenges)
I legitimately burst out laughing with the elite 4 intros. Well played haha
I'd love to see you go through all games with zubat.
also really great music, anyone know the name of that intro music?
I would watch every episode.
Its from Chrono trigger
I absolutely love your videos. Wish I could like them all multiple times over. Keep up the good work, I always look forward to your uploads. That being said, I feel so lucky with the frequent uploads prior to the month of JRose! 😅❤
On the topic of hidden power, I think you should only use it for pokemon that are particularly weak and need everything they can get
Yeah it can be useful early game for fast coverage
Hi Jrose. Long time viewer here. I think hidden power is OK for your runs. I watch to see how you win and if you happen to randomly get an advantage from it, so be it. Pokemon always has randomness involved. Keep up the good work! :)
Love the ruby and sapphire runs! Thank you for putting this one ❤️
LES GOOOOOOOOOOO, the unofficial month of JRose continues :)
It's the warm-up month! Lol
Regarding hidden power- part of the fun of these videos is also the narrative story you tell and so the thrill of HP being good/useful or disappointment of it being bad/useless is part of the fun for me
25:12
Personally, I don't mind the usage of Hidden Power. On one hand, it can definitely help Pokemon that struggle with coverage or against certain match-ups, but on the other, it's still a part of the arsenal that can be considered. Truth be told, I had actually thought it was Dragon before you mentioned it was Ice, as I thought that Steel didn't resist Dragon-type moves in Gen 3. Whatever the case, I think it's hardly comparable to Evasion moves and even at its worst, it could be mildly useful in certain battles.
Besides, part of the fun is finding out what the typing of your Hidden Power even is, assuming you don't set it ahead of time in PKHex or something prior to a run.
I don't know what we did to deserve so many videos from you, but I'm feeling pretty lucky! Another great video 😊
This was awesome! Happy Halloween!
Would've loved to see this in Emerald. I realize it probably would be impossible with the harder leaders and hidden Steven final battle but it would be truly incredible to see you pull it off.
I'm really, really loving the consistent uploads recently, Jrose! Thanks for spoiling us ♡ I hope it continues! xD
I've been enjoying all the recent drops of your videos lately!
I just got back from bootcamp and your the UA-camr I missed the most. Something about your vids are so incredibly relaxing
Jrose and AJ are on fire with these releases, every video an absolute banger, bravo
Jrose AND The Count? Yes!!
The week of Jrose was a real treat! Happy Halloween and thanks for the awesome content!
Dang, this dude is good as hell at pokemon! These videos keep getting crazier, keep up the good work!
Thinking about the possibility of a Zubat run in every generation is so exciting. I love the Zubat line!
Explanation of what happened on Wattson:
Gen 3 has some weird quirks about its AI, like all the gens. -Since shockwave can paralyze, the AI considers it a "status effect move" and because you were already paralyzed, it will only go for shockwave if it sees a KO on its damage roll. The damage roll is like any normal damage roll, it rolls for crit and everything normally, and it appears that it saw a kill with shockwave because its simulated damage roll was a crit. But it didn't get a crit on the actual damage roll.- Edit: It can't be this explanation because Shockwave can't para. My only possible explanation is it saw "hits self in confusion" with Shockwave on that roll, that's the only *possible* explanation I can think of.
Now that may lead to some of you wondering "But what about Norman and Slaking randomly going for Yawn?" And yeah...yeah, that's a thing. But you see, sleep is a bit different from Paralyze, Poison, and Burn, it can end on any given turn, so it's treated slightly differently. It is thrown into the rotation of possible moves. Especially if it's acting second in a speed match up.
Shock wave can't paralyze. It has no additional effect other than that it can't miss
@@TC-pp7hx You are 100% correct. Then the only thing I can think of is it saw "hits self in confusion" on the roll and thus 0 damage. Which gives confusion an oddly interesting extra bit of power that I hadn't considered before. Thank you for correcting me. That gives confusion significantly more consistency as an ability as it's essentially functioning as gen 1 disable in a way.
I was really looking forwards to the intro being done in your vampire voice and I’m so glad you did it again
Snow came today. I needed this upload more than ever 🙌
Jrose since backports have become so popular recently how would you feel about backporting Crobat and doing a run with it?
Honestly it gets old, I'd rather see solo runs in gen 4/5 instead, no one is doing those
@@gendbend9933 And nobody does gen 5 for a good reason. Without modding out the exp nonsense, soloing first-form is stupid boring for the runner.
@gendbend9933 I do wanna see Gen 4/5 runs as well but I definitely think backporting Honchcrow or Mismagius to gen 1 or 2 is badass! And occasionally MahDryBread does Gen 4 or 5 runs
@@gendbend9933anything after gen 3 sucks
I'm gonna love seeing Zubat attempt BW/BW2. In fact I'd LOVE if you tried BW2 challenge mode. Basically an already good ai game has even better ai with stronger mons, it's rly fun and sounds perfect for our fav bat to try and suffer lol.
Let's go! Great video as always.
Zubats unironically one of my favorite mons. I love seeing it get so many runs
Zubat is only legit good because of the fact that it eventually becomes Crobat, that's it lel.
Crobat is not even that good I'd rather use golbat with eviolite lmao... It's insane how powercrept the bat line is by gliscor
legit the best pokemon youtuber. Definitely the best personality of all pokemon youtubers. Thanks for another great vid Jrose
Thank you for your pokemon videos as I really enjoy watching them and learning more about these games.
I remember i had a hidden power electric on butterfree in GEN 2
Which is incredible because gyarados and rock types FOR OBVIOUS REASONS were problems
IT was near perfect too as everything except attack n special defense were PERFECT and those were near perfect too
I found out my odds of a butterfree that good were 1 in 60,000
If i had the skill i have now i would have beaten red around 80 to 83 range instead of level 95
The scariest parts about this Halloween Special were those Elite 4 pronunciations. 💀 Fweb caught me so off guard lol
Wow a count von count impression! That’s how you know it’s going to be a good video! Love it!
Man this Month has been special appreciate the uploads Jrose11 and AJ 🔥🔥
Crobat was very useful in gen4, had decent special moveset like nasty plot giga drain heat wave sludge bomb air slash. In gen5 golbat can use eviolite roost superfang confuse ray etc.
I think Cyrus used one in Diamond/Pearl
@@jamesdandrea7284 yes also silver in hgss. Remember that the Pokemon have to love you but the feeling doesn't have to be mutual lol
Crobat is one of my favourite Pokemon it is viable in gen 3 at least according to me because I just love it. Also max friendship.
JROSE upload Monday completed
Watched the video three times. I kept falling asleep. Granted I put it on before going to bed, but I wanted to finish the video.
Thank you for an awesome Halloween Special=3
I legit can't wait to see how Zubat does across all games 😅
Bro just use hidden power. No one cares.
Was going to watch Pluto but then this popped up. You are the best!!!
I enjoy Hidden Power as a part of the runs.
Also, appreciate the awesome content!
What wonderful timeline have i landed in where jrose uploads so frequently, im so well fed at this point i think I'm starting to gain weight. Thank you for your hard work.
47:17 - "Blizzard is useless..."
Me: "But chip damage?"
47:31 - Instant karma
It's these little surprises and this kind of writing that keeps me coming back over and over again.
just got off work and there's a Halloween special? excellent/
Nice video! I especially liked the battles against the Elite 4: Sadnay, Fooeb, Gleesia, Draky, and the champion Stiveen Stony.
I love the intro your impression always gets me 🎉
I got Pokemon Red and Dragon Warrior Monsters shortly after they came out. Thank you for finally giving me the "Zubat vs Dracky" fight I've been waiting for.
Ah yes, my favourite elite four member, Fweb.
Sidenote, I really like the music you use in the background!
0:45 - upcoming yearly Halloween tradition, is that you?
Nice to hear your Count von Count voice is coming along 🧛♂️
What a treat! Happy Halloween
I just caught up on your vids and this is immediately uploaded. Jrose youre spoiling us.
Jrose has suffered mental anguish in this run for our amusement....and yet wants to do this run for every Gen. You're a good man
At least, thanks to silly AI in Gen I core games, it had a chance against some strong trainers, like Lance, and some Pokémon don't even have Rock type moves, like Rhyhorn and Rhydon.
I love seeing the Zubat series continue, especially today on Halloween! Regarding Hidden Power, I think it’s perfectly fine for the impossible challenges series because they are primarily one off videos and much more difficult than the usual R/B solos, so having that potentially useful tool seems fine to me. However, if you started doing a tier list in later generations, then I’d err on the side of banning Hidden Power so that no Pokémon has an unfair advantage because they happened to get lucky (or you could create perfect IVs with whatever Hidden Power you need).
Jrose, thank you for always restoring my interest in Pokémon!
Love your content jrose! hope everyone is having a nice day!
I like your impressions. It makes me less depressed when I don't hear your intro song.
Every time Jrose starts a video with a Count impression I'm both scared and hoping he's doing it for the whole thing
I genuinely enjoyed and chuckled at your pronunciation of the Elite Four menbers :)
Jrose I love you my guy, but that Dracula voice kills me everytime😂🤣 Thanks for the upload though!
THE COUNT?! let’s gooooooo. don’t know why you stopped that but it’s still a JROSE staple for me. you are killing the uploads lately.
I really appreciate you listening to the viewers and correcting your pronunciation. It always drove me insane when people pronounce Phoebe as Phoebe.
It's crazy how to this day the Zubat line has a unique typing. Poison/Flying is such an incredible defensive type combination when used as part of a team, but solo it definitely runs into types it can't handle that well pretty often. Zubat for sure gets some pretty good moves but not a lot of them. Giga Drain, for example, is a really good coverage move and it helps it serve a defensive purpose on a team, or last longer in solo runs.
Honestly Zubat and Golbat's biggest issue is their stats, and the fact that they didn't get many good STAB moves until Gen 4. Crobat is genuinely *really* good in almost every game it's available.
This run is awesome. I'm actually really excited that you're digging into gen 3more. My brother is die-hard for gold/silver, but ruby/sapphire always has had my biggest fixation.
Treecko run in ruby for funsies? Keep it up!
Happy Halloween, Jrose, you character!!
I miss the count voice thanks for bringing it baxk❤
I prefer your approach to hidden power over someone like Scott’s Thoughts (also a great solo runner, check him out). In his videos he controls the stats, hidden power and nature of his Pokémon. This is great for accurate comparisons and I love the way he displays so much information on screen but sometimes it’s a bit too scientific! I prefer the more relaxed Jrose approach to Mon stats, natures, hidden power etc as it feels more replicable at home. No hate to Scott’s thoughts- would defo recommend his videos; brilliant sense of humour and puts huge effort into making great content 👍🏻
The fact you wanna do all gens with Bat-mon is fantastic and I wanna see them all
"Let's go battle SIDE-NIGH"
good to hear The Count again!