The Controversial Change That Shocked Elden Ring
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
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The Change That Almost Ruined This Boss in Elden Ring Explained is about a boss so commanding of the stars you'd have to be insane not to glorify him! This is the story of General Radahn, Elden Rings largest and strongest demigod! A man so powerful he learned gravity magic in Sellia just to hold back the stars from moving. In Elden Ring, Radahn is an early fight if you'd want him to be in Redmane castle and Malenia the goddess of the Scarlet Rot had a draw with him making him lose his sanity and control over Caelid. The community of elden ring hated the fast attacks and unfair combos, but the long time Souls fans were all for the challenge! Radahn would have some controversial moves made that still stand to this day! I love Elden Ring so enjoy!
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Intro: 00:00
The Backstory: 01:12
The Fight: 06:00
The Nerf: 12:15
The fix: 14:46
The End: 16:12
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Starscourge Radahn - Elden Ring OST
Limgrave - Elden Ring OST
Galdin Quay Theme - Final Fantasy XV OST
Song of Honor - Elden Ring OST
Old Castle - Elden Ring OST
Character Creation - Elden Ring OST
Malenia, Blade of Miquella - Elden Ring OST
Ending - Elden Ring OST
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This video is a reupload from my main channel, I will be posting all of my variety here so I figured this was the right time and place ❤
just mod it
My dumbass didn’t notice the summons on the ground, dude damn near drove me insane
Personally I like the little touch at the end by adding former porn star Adriana Chechik lol... nice touch 👌 👏
where the vid with what he was protecting?
I beat Radhan pre nerf, It took about 5 days bit it got done. The entire set piece was amazing, the lack of enemies in Redmane, the colour pallet, the chanting. Was not aware that he had a fix. Wach spuls game should have that one boss that make the majority question their in game choices.
I remember fighting pre-nerf Radahn, he was an absolute monster. He did honestly feel a little too strong for the stage of the game he was in, though nowadays he feels far too easy.
Took me 3 days to beat him. He was the first boss I did in my first playthrough. I never went back and tried him after the nerf.
@@phokeydhoo8940 some fOols though that accessibility mean easiness
he was in the meant level of Caelid because everything around him in his area is much harder than him (despite that he should have been harder, that's fvcking Radahn)
he was meant to be hard
take this as the catacombs in ds1
imagine if they did nerf Nito because his Area was accessible from the start ?
@@phokeydhoo8940you mean first demigod? He cant be the first boss because you have to talk to ranni to activate it and she cant be reached without several dead bossez
@@UnholyWrath3277 That can't be right. I did him before going to the lake at all. In fact I did him before the the pair the precede him. Although, yes, first demigod. I'm sure I killed a at least the first dragon, the sourthern death bird, and the first single Lion Knight prior.
@@UnholyWrath3277 You don't have to talk to Ranni to activate Radahn. If you simply go to the Altus Plateau, the fight is doable. Idk how someone would pull that off as their first Demigod or boss on their first playthrough (unless they weren't going in Blind) but it is very possible.
I remember fighting him pre-nerf, i had to come up with so many strategies just to get to him with all the summons, but that made it feel like i was actually fighting a Demigod and not some dude with many arms or a depressed magic woman, it made it feel like the summons were not just a gimmick but rather an actual needed thing to beat the boss
It was so cool
The "nerf" was a bug that lasted around 3 weeks before being fixed. he's as strong as he ever was since then.
@@zeehero7280no dude he's extremely easy now I just use them summons on the field to kill him. Before the real nerf they did he was 50× harder and the summons were 1 shot and no resummons , it was not a bug.
Same
@@zeehero7280 not really, they lowered his damage on most attacks and the travking of arrows and meteors
@@zeehero7280not really it’s been proven with files in the game itself that his hits do less damage and hp is a lot lower.
he’s still better than the 1.03 but not like how he used to be
Making hitboxes more accurate isn't a nerf, it's a fix
Thats not all that happened nit wit.
I've been playing since the game dropped so tell me buddy. Why does 1/5 of his health bar get deleted when I use 1 lions claw in ng+7 now? When I used to have to hit him with the same attack over a dozen times pre-patch in ng+7. Notice I said "hit him". Nothing to do with hitboxes. Oh and the hit box thing is technically a buff because it made his swords actually hit more often. 😂
You just want what you're saying to be true because you didn't experience it first hand. No bragging rights I guess. Which I find funny because bragging about game skills is the same as revving your car cause the only ones who notice are also douchebags. 😂
@@realsuperbunnyman2460 coming off so strong when you’re wrong. Dataminers found that the nerf made his attacks do a little less damage and fixed his hitboxes. Nothing about his healthbar was changed. You’re just yapping and arguing for nothing.
@@nickcaruso3052 yeah dudes here realizing he never was hard to begin with "must be nerfs"
@@nickcaruso3052 You're not worth my time homie. I have experience you have second had info. You realize that "data mining is something that's only relevant to current info. So when they mined into the newest version of the game they couldn't see info that is no longer there. Tell me you don't know what you're talking about without telling me.
@@realsuperbunnyman24601 that’s not how data mining works
2 I played since day one and can confirm that his health specifically wasn’t changed whatsoever
He is simply easier to kill in NG+ onward because most players (me included) tend to get to him a bit under levelled in their first playthrough, so when you get there in (or even above) the recommended level to face him in NG+ he’s much much easier. Radahn is a mid game boss and is balanced as such.
For Malenia's whole life she had that power bottled up but never used it. Then she "Bloomed" in the Radahn fight which was I guess like her regular Scarlet Aeonia attack but a x3,000 thermonuclear version, and totally destroyed Caelid. That kinda backstory is why it won GOTY
No it’s not. Most people don’t care about the lore lol
@devin6079 Actually a quite large percentage of the playerbase does
like every other fromsoftware game lol
You're dumb@@devin6079
@@devin6079 the tourists don't. Real fans do.
First time I beat him I danced around my living room for a good 20 minutes. Probably 75 to 80 tries over 2 or 3 days.
the two bosses that took me the most are maliketh and radagon / elden beast man i am yet to fight and add to the malenia
Same here, it took me a solid 4 days to beat him.
It was the most satisfying feeling I had ever.
I thought this was honestly one of the easiest fights... maybe he was nerfed when I did it? The first try I had no idea what he would do and he killed me from range as soon as he spawned... second try I summoned every sommon and killed him while only getting hit once. It was disappointingly easy ass I'm not a good Eldin Ring player. Milenia, Godrick and Astel are the ones that gave me fits.
That's the beauty of dark souls taking that out the game makes it boring. What you rather take 4 days to beat a boss and enjoy that win or beat a generic easy boss and never remember it again?
Took me a week to beat Ornstein and Smough. Just as long to beat the four kings. I salute you for not going hollow.
Witnessed.
I died to invisible hitboxes too many times. I love Rahdann but if the devs themselves felt they could improve the fight by fixing up his hitboxes them I'm fine with it. Also his damage values were put back to there original values a few days after the nerf, but the hitbox changes remain.
this. They literally only fixed his hitboxes
@@justinchancellorlegod8057 True, and people who don't know that but speak like if they knew what they are talking about are really annoying, tbh. Also, I wish they could have made Radahn a little harder and fix a little the camera issues if they were already doing changes, it would be my fav boss in the series or at least one of my favs
@@rayzu4380 He just needs more hp, if you fight him having barely upgraded your weapon and not spending all your runes on levelling/going there early for radahn he can numerous attempts to get his moves down as he 2 shots you or 1 shots you depending on the attack
@@dafyddrogers9385i think radahn and morgott would benefit soo much from having more HP , both are excellent fights that while liked by many , could very well be some of the best in the series with this change ( since you won't be able to brutalize them with a few R1s )
EXACTLY! Both of them have such amazing movesets, but any heavy weapons playthrough won't see half of them because you can easily poise-lock them and kill them in a minute. I just hope that nerfing bosses like this doesn't become a standard for fromsoft, although it already seems to have done so with AC6. Balteus may have needed some nerfing on his missiles, but Sea Spider got guttedand IB-01 was so much more fun before they destroyed the seeking on her main attack. @lynackhilou4865
The nerf wasn’t a nerf, it was fixing a bug that caused his attack hitboxes to desync. Also Ainsel river and the Lake of Rot have nothing to do with the battle between the Demigod* at the time Malenia, and Radahn, the lake of rot is where the outer god of rot is sealed, corrupting the nearby area underneath Liurnia, nowhere near Caelid. Caelid is more like an above ground reverse analogue of the lake of rot, as Siofra river beneath is is unaffected by the scarlet rot, while Liurnia above Ainsel river is unaffected by the rot beneath
As above, so below I guess
They did also reduce his damage and hp and nerf tracking in his snipe arrows so you can brainlessly avoid them on horseback.
@@ShadowAraunThose arrows were vicious pre nerf. I remember I had to continue straffing and then dodging with frame perfect accuracy to dodge those. I didn't even concentrate that hard for Namless King boss fight. I thought dodging his attacks requires precise timing but Radahan arrow were totally nuts. I feel like From Soft went a further mile to make this attack totally meaningless now. The fight on horseback and with a bunch of summon is very easy now compared to what it was before nerf.
Oh no they absolutely nerfed him and Melania by removing move sets and lowering their HP and damage. Not a big deal though unless you are in NG+
They’re still very tough bosses
@@Clippidyclappidy what moves did they remove?
I killed pre-nerf Radahn too, that fight had several things that ticked me off right proper.
The fight was in a huge area, against a boss on a horse, but using torrent was a quick way to the grave through many things ranging from his nigh undodgeable arrows to the fact that his AI reacts to you getting knocked off torrent by attacking you, basically always turning a 2 shot into a 1 shot (I killed him on Torrent, so I got to watch my guy try to get on his feet and Radahn always switching target to him quite a few times)
The hovering gravity rocks he summons in night phase did so much damage that it killed me in two hits, while I was wearing heavy armor and had some 30-40 vigor.
The hitboxes were wonky at best, as many have already pointed out.
He was also way harder in relation to the other bosses in the zone, while one can argue that it's lore related reasons, that never stopped fromsoft from balancing every other boss based on the zone they're in.
It didn't help that he became accessible, and directly required, to progress a quest that started in Liurnia of all places.
I will readily admit that they nerfed him too much, but he really needed a nerf of some kind.
I've killed him several times since, and he IS easier than he was at launch, at the very least the bloody meteors in the night phase aren't immediately lethal... infact I'd say they do too little damage now.
Outside of that, I'd say that one thing they could do right now to make the fight a bit more balanced is to buff his HP, I think he's too squishy.
Still probably the most awesome bossfight fromsoft has made to date.
torrent was easily the best tool against pre nerf radahn and u could easily dodge the arrows onnhorse back df u on avt
Pre nerf Radahn was such a great moment in the game. The challenge is what made him so memorable.
And him clappin all the allies u decide to call against him 💯
I spent 3 whole days fighting him 1 on 1 cause to me my character could only become the elden lord if he had the power to take it from all the demi gods. It was an amazing experience that I will tell my grandkids someday.
@@typharian9281bros gonna tell his grandkids he spent 3 days on an easy boss
Bts i beat him before nerf
@@crazyfriend50 no you didn’t, stfu😂
Hw literally has the same numbers as before but with proper hitboxes
Stop crying
This fight never needed a nerf, it just needed to be less accessible. It was an amazing boss fight pre nerf, it just wasn’t meant to be fought at level 30. Used to love this boss fight, and I still do. It’ll just never be the same.
Edit: okay, I do admit that the hit boxes on his swords had some pretty wacky phantom range on them, but in my first encounter with him at RL60 I never noticed it as a bad thing. It just brought a new sense of intensity to an awesome fight.
can we mod it back to how it was>?
His hitboxes were shit, be quiet
Trouble with Radahn at launch is that he's the boss of a mid-game zone and he gated a ton more mid-game side content. He seemed like a Nameless King-type optional boss at the end of a side-dungeon, but he wasn't at the end; he had to be beaten to unlock a several whole zones all of which are much easier than he was, with the possible exception of Astel who comes several hours after (and Tiche, but F*** Tiche). It's as if you had to fight the nameless king to access Irithyll Dungeon, the Profaned Capital, and Archdragon Peak. Given all that I think nerfing him was the right choice even though it made a really epic fight worse. The real problem was putting Ranni's quest in, and balancing it for, the midgame; if it was going to be gated by Radahn that quest chain should have been harder and after Morgott, but that can't really be redesigned after launch.
@@Gilgameshclone I don't even remember the Tiche fight
@@coreyhansen9711 Alecto drops Tiche, and that fight is bullshit all thanks to that one attack.
Malania was the only boss that took me more attempts than radahn. On my first play though I triggered his festival by accident because I was looking for something to help with the gank bosses.
He was difficult, but I never thought he was unfair. Ill even admit I used a cowardly strat on my first play through.
On my second play through I insisted on fighting him without the summons.
Favorite boss in the game . the presentation, phase change, he's a raid boss, the lore.
I haven't fought him post nerf.
That's the difference between him and Malenia. Malenia's fight is almost pure rng for non-pro players. You feel you'll kill her eventually, not because of your skill but because a matter of luck
@javisc1999 my successful malenia run happened because she didnt use waterfowl dance for some reason. That fight is night and day without that one move.
@javisc1999 lmao let's not get hyperbolic. "Pro" is definitely not a prerequisite you just have to learn the fight
@@adamrice7633 when you learn the fight you become pro. Most casual players get better but won’t learn the fight to perfect doge roll
@@Bro-dot- u dont need to learn anything u can just stunlock the shit out of her easier then any other boss the only difficulty comes from her anime bs and the clones waterfowl is the only move u need to learn to dodge so u can beat her
@5:00 - That's wrong. You do not need to talk to Ranni to start the Radahn festival. It begins if you enter the Altus plateau through any means (other than the teleporter trap that sends you to the golem in the capital city).
Whenever I saw people complain I thought:
"But this is an open world Souls, with the freedom to step back, explore more, get more stats, equipment, *and then* come back"
It *made* sense for Radahnn to a mountain of a challenge, just like Malenia,
Or to bring and example of a similar situation in another game: Alatreon and Fatalis from Monster Hunter World Iceborne, who also found divisive reception due to their difficulty.
Yeah and he's completely optional, since you only need two great runes to progress to the capital
Exactly i was lvl 65-70 when i first fought him, everyone who was complaining was prob just speedrunning through the main quest and didnt explore or found any sidequest to do
well us souls players are suckers for punishment. some ppl just like throwing themselves at brick walls over and over till it works.
Well... Alatreon was divisive because he forced players to use certain weapon types to win. Beating him with a Gunlance or a Great Sword was nigh impossible when he released.
Fatalis was incredible, though. I don't think I ever heard people complain about him, but I did hear a lot of people who were happy that he was the hardest fight in the
main series to date, finally doing justice to the Black Dragon.
@@josephhuggins4227 that analogy doesn’t equate to from software’s games. They’re about learning the boss’s move sets, roll timings and directions. Sometimes there can be bs, but it’s not throwing yourself at a brick wall level challenge.
I don't think radahn is easier by the numbers anymore, he has a ton of health, poise and damage and some of the most complex attacks in the game. The only difference I've noticed is that the gravity arrows can be dodged on horseback, and maybe the speed of his p3 meteors is a little slower? There was a time when he truly was nerfed to the ground, but most people complaining about this nowadays have just gotten good at fighting him and are simply perceiving this as radahn being weaker.
THANK YOU. The Mandela Effect on this has really bothered me for the longest time. Every time I see a or comment on this, it's so frustrating to see people complain about something that's not even real!
@Chris Frawley To be clear, a lot of people who've played any of the games for 100's to 1000's of hours tend to say the games themselves are easy and I hate when they say that. It's not easy, we've just gotten good at the games. I've always personally said these games aren't for everybody.
not at all, i beat him on my first time while also being my first souls game, for me he was easier than rennala which is crazy
@@unknownvanguard8749 I agree. To some, like the person who commented below me, the game can be easy off the rip. But to the vast majority of players, these games are pretty difficult. The community keeps raising their expectations of the difficulty and lose sight of the fact that the difficulty itself isn't the point, it's a means to an end.
@@sixfingerdiscount different strokes for different folks. I personally found the godskin duo a lot less difficult and offensive than people make it out to be, only time I had a hard time was with my pure pyromancy build.
My main problem with Radahn, or any boss in Elden Ring is that you are afraid to skip hard story specific bosses and come back when stronger. You never know what future events you might stumble into that drastically changes the quest lines. For all you knew, you HAD to do it then and there or you could get screwed over later on. Like, Ranny would run out of time or some crap. I've been in that position far too many times in the past.
That seems like a super silly qualm to have with Elden ring bosses. Radahn is already optional, he’s mostly a Ranni quest line boss. Iirc you can come back to him right up until you burn the erdtree which would make you overleveled for him anyway.
Pretty sure you can fight him AFTER the last boss if you want.
@@AnamFiain but that's his point, he won't know when he'll be ready to fight the boss by the time he'll feel ready he'd be possibly overleved or the boss would be unavaible.
@@thephoenix4093 thats a problem o his part tho
@@miceatah9359 no, its not. Its with the game's design. This would never happen in any other souls game.
the fight was basicly a stats check. if you dont have enough vigor, you get 1 shot. if you dont have enough stamina, you cant dodge all of his attack. and if your build is not good, you dont have enough damage. people only feel its easier because their character is stronger and they know the game better. its got nothing to do with the nerf
radahn isnt a boss that rushes u with a billion attack combo...having base stamina is totally doable with him. im trying him now on rune level 1 and his attacks are only an issue when it comes to positioning and timing of rolls, his attacks never exhaust your stamina unless you are really being inefficient with stamina management aka u are spamming roll or attacks. the main diff with pre nerf was hitbox and damage..which in that case your positioning and timing had to be better.
i did it on my first try and its the first souls games ive ever played, its stll painfully easy he never hits you once with summons
Status effect build jajajaja
I like to think that Radahn jumping into space to Valstrax you is the moment he got his senses back and started trying to fight you as his old self (or as close as he could muster). The way the time of day transitions showing his grip on the stars is slipping, the way he starts using his gravity magic and more complicated techniques. Ye, I like to think he was himself before we beat him.
I like Caelid early game, it's great to let the enemies fight each other while torrent ubers me around the battlefield hoovering up runes. And desperately trying not to get murdered every five to ten seconds.
The birds, the god damned birds!
@@fadingghost9723 Amen
@@fadingghost9723 And those stupid t-rex-like dogs as well, fuck those too.
Actually, fuck all the dogs. I might have died more to dogs and wolves then to most of the boss fights.
I finished Elden Ring just a month ago, but I'm glad I've beaten Rahdan pre-nerf. I can't imagine fighting pre-nerf Rahdan as melee build. I played sorcery build and even from a distance he was hella scary. Recently started my second playthrough. WIth all of the summon I've beaten him so fast on a first try I asked myself "That's it?!". Although he might have been much easier mostly because of all the accumulated game knowledge from the first playthrough.
the pre-patch hitboxes were really rough, but this fight is now perfect honestly. Going 1vs1 is now really good and satisfying to play
As someone who never got through the tutorial of any other FromSoft game, I'm super proud of beating Radahn at release
he not much different
I beat him like a week before they nerfed him and it was one of the most satisfying experiences I've had in a video game. Learning all of his mechanics and finally managing to take him down after dodging the one shot meteors was awesome.
Oh man, how do I even explain it. It took me three days to be high enough to fight Radhan pre patch. It was a love and hate relationship, hated that my methods weren’t working but loved how challenging it was and how much more hyper aware it made me. Really learning my movements to dodge AS MANY hits as possible and being able to read his moves/using his sound queue’s to maneuver around. The relief in defeating him was unimaginable and left me in awe with the cutscene that plays afterwards. When I heard about the patch and how nerfed Radhan was it boggled my mind because in my head I thought to myself “This is a souls game, why are they nerfing BOSSES?” Fighting Radhan with that patch just didn’t feel fun at all. It felt so underwhelming after it being so overwhelming. Kinda like your mom cooking your favorite dish then your dad trying to cook it the same way and makes it worse. It’s a somber feeling because you know some people probably won’t even have experienced Prime Radhan and won’t ever. I’m glad they gave back some of his damage but it just isn’t the same. Instead of looking forward to the boss fight, I now just see it as an optional fight that’s just meh. It sucks to see it that way but I just can’t fight him with the anticipation I had before
Dude I was so hyped for it and then I beat him in two tries and the first try I only died cause my controller is ghey and turns off , I'm still on my first playthrough rn but damn radahn was disappointingly easy , I was overleveled and using the golden halberd and summons but like holy fuck the game is so easy if you have upgraded weapons, sekiro was like a religious experience with how much more difficult it was even with a guide
I started playing recently (within the past month), and I was kinda lucky to have the Scholar's Shield sorcery and the Carian Knight's Shield to help mitigate almost all of the damage from his gravity attacks; still relied on Torrent and the NPC cooperators though.
Minor lore correction but I don't think the Lake of Rot was made by Malenia, it preceded that. The Ainsel doesn't come from Caelid, it along with Siofra come from below the Erdtree, and we're told in the Lake of Rot area that there was a time when the Goddess of Rot was worshipped until it was defeated by the Blue Swordsman who trained Malenia
Yeah, ainsel is beneath liurnia. SIOFRA is beneath caelid, which has no rot. Only mohgwyn. The lake of rot was where the true god of rot is sealed away, and ainsel is a flowing river intended to keep the god trapped, the warrior garb and the various related items talk about flowing water getting rid of stagnation and stuff
The chest brought my fresh wretch to that hell hole, on my first playthrough. Another disapointing thing about radahn is that you cant see him wondering around outside of the boss arena
That music change going into caelid is prob my favorite part of the game
They nerfed this man instead of the one that never knows defeat
Malenia was nerfed too I believe. Actually Malenias was a nerf while Radahns was a patch
They nerfed his hitboxes because they were completely fucked
@@berryamv2296she wasn’t lol
@@Dat-Boi-Camoja she was actually. Pre realise she has a much stronger version. Search it up if you don’t believe me
I remember fighting radian when the game first came out. He was harder than some of the most difficult boss I had ever done, he made Manus, Slave knight Gale, and the orphan of kos look like a practice round. He took me multiple days but when I beat him he had easily became my favorite boss in elden ring and no other fight was as fun.
After he got nerfed I was disappointed but he will always and forever be an S tier boss in my eyes
Man idk the bosses you mentioned were hard lol. I beat Radha pre-nerf pretty easily. Most people just went in over leveled or underleveled
@@gothxm "iDk dUde i jUst cHeeSeD beCAUse i dOn't GIve a fvCk and he is nOt HArD aT aLL"
@@kaiserdetectivegolden2735 calm down
@@gothxmWas it really pre-nerf though?
He was difficult, but it wasn't as difficult as the orphan and Gael, not even close
Just some random points about the video.
The lake of rot is older than malenia herself. It was created when malenia's mentor sealed the outer god of rot.
The fight always starts at early morning and switches to night with radahn's meteor, I think this is meant to convey that the clash against radahn took a whole day rather than radahn pulling the sun with him.
It does not always start during the day
@@CurvyKirby2.- I've fought radahn literally more than a hundred times and I have never seen the fight begin during the night.
I think he does indeed takes the sun. It makes more sense that way since it happens exactly at that moment.
and i also think that he doenst lose against malenia, he was basically the winner
Radahn is definitely easier nowadays. Elden Ring is my first Souls-like, so it’s safe to assume I had no idea what I was doing at the beginning. I was one of the players who wandered into Caelid in the early game and found myself fighting Radahn at level 30. I managed to beat him in half an hour and without summons
I started as an astrologer, so I never had to get too close to him, but he was still an absolute monster
The only boss that needed a nerf in elden ring was elden beast, the ai spamming homing atks and running away 24/7 was the bane of my existance
Elden beast doesn't need a nerf, you just need to be able to use torrent bc if how much he runs away
@@itsnoah1776 no torrent would ve made fight stupid easy and they did nerf elden beast or rather changed it so it would be more aggressive and less cowardly running away while spamming ranged atks with stupid tracking
Elden beast doesn't need a nerf
Torrent should just be allowed to be used with him
@@highoctanesynx7950 that would be a nerf ...
@@miceatah9359 oh sh*t you aren't wrong 🤣🤣
He's definitely easier now than he was pre-nerf. There's at least two major differences I can think of off the top of my head.
Originally, on the approach, you had to dodge the black hole snipe on foot with i-frames, and then mount and outrun the rain of arrows. So you had to pay careful attention to his windup so you could mount or dismount as needed (or count his attacks, IIRC it was three snipes, then rain). Now, you can easily evade both attacks from horseback.
Also, in the second phase, those meteorites he summons over his head? Those things were insanely lethal originally. When they finally attacked you, they came all at once, moved extremely fast, and killed the shit out of you if they hit. It was a blink and you die attack. A lot of strats recommended simply staying away from him entirely until he'd used them against the summons. Now, they attack in spaced out pairs, and move much slower. It's pretty easy to dodge them with a pair of rolls.
God those phase 3 meteors were batshit
So what they did made it more balanced then?
The Meteorites are spaced out when they come at you now? Ive been hiding behind a hill waiting for them to bugger off since they were a one shot kill thing last time I was there. Good to know I guess. Took me about 3 hours prenerf. He was a chonky boi
The meteorites were savages
That's it. But there are still people going around falsely claiming that he does less dmg or has less hp or that he got some other nerf.
You know there might be a balance problem when the go to strategy for most players is to cheese something
And that was the case with 1.0 radahn, the recommendations were all "spam the summons and use rot breath", noone was giving advice on how to avoid his attacks, they were just saying "cheese it"
Understandable when the only valid dodges were "away" because he was a massive 360° hitbox on a horse
I think the time change is probably sped up because he goes into stratosphere (presumably) and that probably takes some time, even for him.
I also recommend watching a certain video from limitbreakers on just making the npcs do the radahn fight. There's a clear difference with pre and post nerf radahn.
8:22 the first time i did this fight i got him down half way with all the summons still alive and i was like
“damn man, this is easy as shit”
then he did this… and killed ALL OF THE SUMMONS COS THEY WERE STACKED.
it's kinda in line with the lore that he SHOULD be one of the hardest bosses in the game.
Exactly. His Lore is some of the craziest ive read in a long time. He a literal demigod vs a tarnished…….the fight SHOULD be very hard lol
Well in boss vs boss fights he does destroy giant bosses.
@@FlightX101 pretty much every boss we fight is a demigod tho
The only difference between Radahn pre-nerf and now are his hitboxes, everything else about him is exactly the same. If it's really that big of a deal, you can easily downpatch the game on Steam.
I do have one correction. Speaking to Blaiid, Iji, and Sulivis in Ranni's Rise isn't the trigger for the festival. There are multiple ways to trigger it, but getting to the Altus Plateau is one way. Doing your method would have more steps before triggering the festival as the next step for this would be going underground in East Limgrave first before going back and asking Sulivis, who then points us to Sellen.
I think it was just the fact we were all new to the game. I've put over 1k hours in this and his fight feels the same from unpatched to patched and seems more bragging rights than anything
Correct, it was a hitbox fix and a damage nerf. Damage nerf got rolled back though
Played this at launch and I remember Radahn being much harder. I was expecting a hard fight after such a big buildup, and that's what I got. Now he's a just big boss with a large hitbox, glad I got to fight him before the nerf.
Pretty sure all that's changed is his arrows speed, and some of the hitboxes on hi swords.
He actually isn't that much easier.
Well that tells you that his design wasn’t good from the jump
I beat him 5 days before the patch, which only lasted like 3 weeks and was apparently unintentional, he was buffed again in an April patch.
Interesting looking back at the achieves, March 7th was my first, April 7th was %100. Exactly a month with 169 hours played. My endings in order were Age of Stars Mar 28, Frenzied Flame Apr 5 and Elden Lord Apr 7.
"the eeriee music transition from peaceful to terrifying" proceeds to talk over the transition
The phantom hitboxes on his swords, the halo of meteors that waited forever to chase you with literally perfect tracking that made them almost impossible to avoid and not immediately die to, and finally the Sniper accurate arrows and gravity magic were literally unbearable on launch.
He's significantly easier now. His health feels lower, his damage is definitely down, and his ability to knock you off torrent and stunlock you is much less noticeable.
His nerfs were ultimately warranted, not because of difficulty, but the amount of content he's gatekeeping. And as long as he's barring all the content of Ranni's quest, he shouldn't be reverted.
I definitely feel the changes were necessary, as the tracking and range on some of his attacks was just overbearing. Even Torrent couldn't outrun the fuckers attacks prenerf and everything was a touch of death of you hadn't hyper invested in HP.
He definitely feels like a shell of his former self. But maybe that's fitting, in a way. We aren't supposed to be fighting the insurmountable General Radahn himself. We're fighting what's left of him.
I remember this fight. I did it before the nerf and it was so rewarding I think It took 4 or 5 tries total. It felt like a real fight between a nobody and a demiGod. Then I helped a friend out on it nearly 4 months later. I could tell the difference instantly. Like I get it but the point of Radahn and the point of Fromsoft games is "IT IS HARD!" Easy is summons, friends, item spams, and so many other ways, and I'm not saying thats bad. No God no if anything I encourage it, play your way. But don't complain and demand changes from the devs just because you can't beat a boss and refuse to do easier tactics. In the word of souls games "Get good." And I don't mean that in a bad way. "Get good." Just means practice, try harder, and learn what your doing and your tactics.
I could watch initial reactions to the Radahn fight for hours.
I just started playing Elden Ring this year, and so far I had just finished Limgrave and Liurnia of the Lakes, didn't even go to the Weeping Peninsula yet. I had seen all through the game how Radahn was considered the strongest demigod in the Lands Between, so I was just starting to explore Caelid as part of Ranni's questline. I got to Radahn and I saw everyone hyping him up, I got to the arena with it being massive and being able to summon a lot of NPCs... And then I beat Radahn on my second try, and on my first try I got him on low health. I thought it was ok for a demigod fight, I liked how cinematic it was and all, but also I just went on with the game and I didn't really remember the fight at all. I kinda stopped caring for Radahn aside from the lore, so-, yeah, it definitely hurt the game. I don't get why the developers nerfed him considering it's literally an open world game, if people wanted so badly to fight him they'd do it when they are ready, it's not even an obligatory fight, just let him be stronger, because even then he isn't even near late game bosses. I know Radahn is a husk of his former self, but at least make it believable that he was able to fight Malenia, don't you think???
Last time I fought Radahn a couple months ago it seemed like the buffed the summons. Initially I didn’t think the summons contributed much at all but last time I tried them they seemed to actually do a good amount of damage
It was just his hitbox that was FIXED. It was bullshit to dodge a lot of his attacks before that
I beated Radan pre Nerf and now, and i have to say. He feels like the same. I just know him now.
i have watched hours of elden ring lore, and i still learned a lot from your vid! maybe i don't have that vaati attention span, so i really enjoy your concise descriptions of the history, and you explain their motivations really well! i also dig the combo platter of lore, IRL reception, and stream captures. great job!
Beating Radhan on the opening weekend was intense, although after that you were able to get first edition Mimic Tear who would have eaten Radhan for lunch.
This is what happened with Balteus in AC6, He took me 6 hours on day one, but is just a CHUMP nowadays, easier than the AC fight BEFORE him.
I feel like most people just underestimate how way Elden ring is on a second play through
I played before pre nerf and tbh I killed as a new player without playing any souls game previously around lvl 50 without cheeseing the boss I feel that ever since he was nerfed he is noticeably easier than pre nerf even going back to fight him in new game plus pre nerf was tough and this boss fight will never be the same unless because of inactive players fromsoft make him more difficult that would be very fun especially if they could bring all pre nerf bosses back to normal that would be cool
I strangely didnt have a hard time with pre-nerf radahn, even though elden ring was my first souls game... i was confused af when i saw complaints about it later.
I remember getting to pre-nerf Radahn and I had to come back to him when I was properly leveled and had moonveil +7 and I just remember feeling my heart pounding out of my chest. He’s still tough but he’s not the general I remember. Rest in peace, king.
In 1.0 The fight was quite a spectacle, and very challenging. The second time around when he did get nerfed he was undoubtedly gutted, smaller this smaller that and overall not even the same boss. After the fix I do think that it's less of a reversal of sorts and a sort of halfway point met in the middle of insanely challenging and easy. Still was the best at 1.0 tho
I had such a hard time with Radahn until I discovered that the meteoric blade and (if you can summon someone who has it) the wing of astel do increased damage to him because he's a "gravity type" enemy
Wing of astel nebula skill will cheese him too
Plot twist every boss we killed in the main story will be a ghost boss like the gold godfrey in the capital for dlc
The day changes to night because Ranninis watching over us. Offering her protrction as well. I theorize Radhan planned to bring down many stars. But Ranni's dark moon helped to block it.
My interpretation is that they really designed the fight for the Radahn *Festival*. The player and lots of allies swarming him and defeating him together, thus the large hitboxes of his attacks. But players actually wanted to defeat him without summoning, as hardcore purists do, which was then of course extremely hard. By nerfing Radahn to the level of a regular boss, he became way too easy if summons were used, so they reverted it.
Fighting, and beating, pre-nerf Radahn was an absolute honor.
On launch you would have to summon almost every available instance of every npc to get them to beat the boss for you, and sometimes even if you did that, Radahn would still win. Now you only have to summon like half of them.
Radahn pre-nerf was the most hyped I ever felt in a game when I defeated him. This was my first souls game and I finally understood what the games were about when I did that. I've come to love the struggle
They should un nerf him
Fromsoft games are not hard. They just have bad user interfaces, no adequate tutorials, gatekeep their "easy mode" options behind boss fights that range from out of the way to nearly impossible to find, and expect you to intuit mechanics that never look like they might make the game easier at first glance.
What makes Elden Ring easier than other souls borne games? They added a map screen, npc summons, and made the co-op slightly better than the barely usable co-op in all the older games.
I clearly remember not a single summon surviving long enough to witness the meteor. I can remember Alexander dying in 5 hits of one combo.
What I found funny about Radahn on release, everyone kept saying how OP the Mimic Tear is...but to get it, you had to get past him so the path to the underground became available
He literally wasn't even that bad lol wtf also funny enough, I didn't even know the original boss fight existed with the crucible knight and the misbegotten until my second playthrough because I went there early trying to fight Radahn
Definitely way easier now than he used to be. Hitboxes on his attacks are still smaller, and his AI is less aggressive with stringing attacks together, more executing predictable combos at predictable times.
His damage is also less, but not as much as his hitboxes. And yeah, some differences in how his gravity spells worked and the damage they did.
They also started nerfing a bunch of weapons around the same time and in consecutive patches. Definitely a time of lowering the power level throughout the game.
Having played against Radahn both pre-patch and after...I think he is easier because fans were saying that the hit box made it impossible for melee builds. I was both melee and faith so I would pelt him with Lightning bolts when I got away from him. Now it's not even needed, I can just run in and barrage with lightning until he gets super close where I just finish him off with Melee, where as before I had maybe five seconds of melee before death was inevitable.
I will say the rot lake in the underground area is a nightmare
All they did was reduced his hitboxes. He was never nerfed for his damage output.
There was one patch which accidentally boosted his damage, but that was reverted.
The very section of this video called "the nerfs" doesn't even show them. I read patch notes 1.03 myself. No mention of Radahn except to fix the accidental damage change.
"He is easier now than at launch" is a stupid argument, you just got better and used to his move set
Yes that could be true but I’ve seen many new players now not struggle with him like we all did at launch
I beat Radahn pre-nerf but I had to resort to using ranged weapons/ magic and summoning because I was exhausted from getting one shotted. I started playing a new file recently and beat Radahn on my 3rd try using strength and felt so accomplished LOL but I didn't know he got nerfed :,)
i explored cealid from many directs other than straight through the center. my first time seeing the pot tossing giant was from sneaking up behind him and his pot collection and trying to climb down the giant skull unnoticed only to be sirprised at what the pot pile was actually for...
people who claim "elden ring is too hard" likely just attacked every necessary npc or tree sentinel in sight, didn't upgrade equipment, didn't level up to a decent stage when fighting, used a horrendous build, didn't use good spirit ashes or didn't upgrade spirit ashes, didn't explore and upgrade flask, never even dared to touch fextralife, and then complain and say the game has too high of a skill floor, no it just has an iq floor, for most of that is learned, but some of that is just intuitive. however, radahn was tough first fighting him even starting after the nerf, so likely it was a necessary change
He was nerfed for 2 weeks and then patched back to what it was before, I don't understand why people are still crying about it months later
Radahn is noticably weaker now. Before the patch, his swords had a really clunky hit box that led to a bunch of awkward screenshots of me getting hit a half a foot away from where his sword was swinging, meaning dodging his swords especially was much more difficult, something that was still difficult after the original patch. The orbs seem much slower still, too, but I think he's pretty close to the original fight. Most people just know what to expect now.
He's fine now. Still one shots me easily if I'm under leveled for his fight but the hit boxes feel like they match what I'm looking at.
Anyone crying that he's too easy is a baby.
I don't even know if I fought him pre nerf or not. I avoided the gameplay and news while playing it so I can go in blind. On my first playthrough I missed 2 legendary ashes, and 1 legendary armament. All I need is to get those and get 2 more endings and I'd platinum the game.
I got transported to Caelid. Getting out of that dungeon was a challenge early game
Honestly the only complaint I ever saw of him was how weak the npc summons were when compared to any other npc summon from Elden Ring. Like you got guys like Bernahl helping you against the Godskin Duo or Millicent against the Godskin Apostle, Draconic Tree Sentinel and the black golem bird dude blocking you from entering the Mountaintops of the Giants, Melina providing you with ample support from Morgott, Nepheli helping you against Godrick and Godfrey, and even Alexander tanking most of the damage from Fire Giant.
Compared to them, everyone including Alexander just melted in the face of Radahn.
I beat Radahn prenerf. It took me many tries and a lot of learning to get him. I had to come back after clearing the hero dungeon at the beginning. I also had to go face off against the other 2 demi-gods before I was ready to face off against him. He was a mystical boss fight that required that I come back to him later to defeat.
They should have added an option to weaken him in game with an item or questline instead of just nerfing him entirely.
13:52 what song is playing in the background
I played the game post the patch. I remember that I got him on my second try, and he was 1 hit away from death when jumping in the stratosphere... so yeah, avoiding the meteor fall was easy and then just one tap and dead. kind of... a hollow victory. It did not bring the same satisfaction as struggling against some of the other bosses. heck, the commander in the swamp itself kicked my ass enough times for the victory to feel satisfactory.
cant you still fight day one version if you own the disk version and dont update/instal patches?
I like how the moon is clearly visible in the run up and then disappears.
8:34 yeah best tip I can give for avoiding that and just this fight in general. While you’re on your horse never stop moving. Ever. Staying still means death
Prenerf Radahn was way less forgiving. The hitboxes on prenerf Radahn basically made it so you couldn't get lucky by being under his feet to dodge attacks. Unless you actually dodged them you were getting blasted. And honestly this isn't a big deal for the player necessarily, in some cases sure, but the biggest effect this has is on summons. They take way less damage overall because of this. Prenerf Radahn would put your summons through a blender and they'd be dead in 20 seconds. All my summons make it to phase 2 regularly now without needing new ones.
Interesting vid but you got two main things wrong first of all melania didn’t create the lake of rot that was the stage where the blind swordsman fought against the rot god and looking at the location of the lake it’s under liurnia so it doesn’t make much sense for mealania’s nuking of caelid to create the lake of rot under liurnia
Secondly you don’t need to do ranni’s quest line you just need to get to altus plateau via the dectus lift and pass the time at the nearest site of grace.
And some food for thought as when we get to sellen’s quest at the end of we side with her and kill jerren we get “bloody finger vanquished” meaning our good old witch hunter might have had a hidden agenda to kill radahn for the rold of blood.
*Hits cigarette* I am preparing a new character for the DLC, I'm at the Rahdan fight, but it's not the same. I used to respect this man, had to cheese him to beat him before the update, still took me a solid week to figure out I could use rotten breath.
Fighting pre nerf radahn on launch day at lvl 30 for 7 hours until 5am and then finally beating him with a str build was the most satisfying fight in ER. He was a true challenge
I hadn’t had a fight like pre-nerf Radahn since my first time playing a souls game, Dark Souls 2. I died so many times against the Smelter Demon, it was such a huge personal achievement when I beat him. With each subsequent run of DS2, I still feared the Smelter Demon. Radahn was very similar when I first fought him, brutally difficult, but a major achievement to have beaten him. Now, every time I fight him, he gets absolutely stomped first try. I wish I could have fought pre-nerf Radahn again so I could see how I had improved.
Radahn at the time you fight him is basically on the hospice, has lost all battle sense and turned into a cannibalistic beast, has to basically fight an army if you decide to summon, beat malenia and forced her to use her insta-win nuke on him, IS HOLDING BACK THE FUCKING STARS, and if that wasnt enough he gets nerfed by the game itself.
I was lucky enough to beat pre nerf Radahn after 7 or 8 attempts, still one of my all-time favorite fights. The second phase introduction attack is iconic.
He is so much easier now, I just replayed elden ring last week after besting ds1, 2 and 3. It's sad because he's my favorite boss in every fromsoft game. But you do raise a valid point that we might all just be better now.